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I consider myself a fairly RPed individual. I’m 31, and since my recent LTR breakup a year ago, I’ve had a lot of success with fucking girls on Tinder. On average I sleep with a new girl every couple of weeks or so without too much effort. Lately it’s been feeling kind of pointless, so I decided I’m up to find a new LTR.

But I’m absolutely frustrated with how slutty these girls are, man. I think that on average a girl in my city has had a new dick in her at least once per month of being single since becoming sexually active (years and years ago). I go for younger girls, around 20-24 and it’s not much different there. And it’s all of them. Even those shy awkward ones you would think are so pure and innocent will surprise you with their past. AWALT to the max. I had a girl just now who I thought was a real LTR candidate, only to learn that on the month we first met she fucked 7 (!!) guys she met off Tinder. What the actual fuck.

This got me thinking, is it possible that the issue is with me and my expectations? Maybe this disgust I feel is wrong and I should just accept that women are sexual creatures too? Maybe just because she’s promiscuous doesn’t disqualify her as LTR material?

But I don’t know man, it’s kind of hard to accept that the future mother of my kids got double-teamed in a club bathroom or some shit (seen this happen).

What do you guys think?

[–]Endorsed Contributorfnordsnord 176 points177 points  (36 children)

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[–]1jacques_cousteau007 98 points99 points  (11 children)

Lol for real.

“All I meet is sloots whenever I go to the strip club! No faith in Western Society anymore!”

[–]thesquarerootof1 14 points15 points  (2 children)

“All I meet is sloots whenever I go to the strip club! No faith in Western Society anymore!”

Did no one else get the Beavis and Butthead reference? hahaha

[–]UshankaDalek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hue hue hue hue

hey beavis

yeah butthead? hue hue hue

I'm gonna try to meet hue hue hot chicks at the strip club

you're pretty cool butthead

hue hue hue

[–]cl3537 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are lots of sloots in Vegas yeh yeh yeh....

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

I see what you guys are saying, but literally every single female is on Tinder, at least where I live. Some none single ones too

[–]1jacques_cousteau007 42 points43 points  (1 child)

No shit.

Thats hypergamy.

She’s not on Tinder for you.

She’s on tinder for her own self interest

[–]nofilmynofucky 15 points16 points  (0 children)

lol of course you're only finding sluts, you're looking on Tinder!

immediately admits all women are on Tinder

[–]NeedingAdvice86 4 points5 points  (3 children) this area, NONE except the most desperate are on Tinder.

[–]thrway1312 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Sounds like a small town

[–]NeedingAdvice86 1 point2 points  (1 child)

About 300K with the larger area around 1 million.

Just that Tinder\online Dating has a reputation as the domain of low SMV girls.

[–]thrway1312 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Major metro area, no such reputation exists

[–]BusterVadge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's because most females 20-24 are riding the CC. That's what you get when you pick from that age range. I usually go for 25-30.

All of the girls I have been with since my last breakup are sluts too. I am ok with that though since all I want is plates for right now.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNightwingTRP 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This. The difficulty will then come about when you're trying to filter for bitches who have had the epiphany to settle down after taking it every which way. 'cos those bitches will "save the best" and you'll get to marry the whore who fucks like a prude.

[–]OPTIMUSL1ME 5 points6 points  (0 children)

>Civil War Re-Enactment

clearly a joke but shit bro you've never seen a hobby so bereft of puss before anything related to history

[–]nofilmynofucky 8 points9 points  (13 children)

Let's be real tho, finding a girl who is relationship material in 2018 is ridiculously unlikely.

I'm not saying op should be changing his hunting grounds (clearly he should), but the odds are overwhelmingly stacked against him, and indeed against any man who wants a healthy, sustainable LTR

[–]cl3537 15 points16 points  (12 children)

Self Fulfilling Redpill Prophecy

I push for quick sex > I treat women like nothing but cum dumpsters > All I can get are low quality women not worth an LTR who don't mind being treated like cum dumpsters. > I think all women are not worth LTR because the only ones I attract are low quality. > The women I plate I think are representative of All Women > All women are not worth an LTR.

Do you see the problem with that sequence of thoughts?

[–]nofilmynofucky 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Youve made a lot of assumptions there.

Regardless, the fact remains that the vast majority of women in 2018 are not suitable LTR material. Dress that up however you like.

[–]cl3537 0 points1 point  (8 children)

I don't necessarily disagree with that statement depending on the terms you are looking for in an LTR. However with that mindset, and a total automatic disrespect for women you will never find one that does.

Your audience here is mostly anger filled teenagers who have been dumped or been dumped on by women repeatedly. You think repeating that statement helps them at all?

[–]nofilmynofucky 1 point2 points  (7 children)

think of the children

you can't control other people's development. There's a good reason we talk about the anger phase and discourage tone policing so much.

Men become men by accepting the truth and living in reality.

[–]cl3537 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Its your reality not mine, and if you think of things in black and white terms and blindly follow dumbed down redpill principals it will remain that way.

Women are not so black or white, nuances are important but I am not going to argue with someone so idealistic, it isn't going to lead anywhere productive here.

[–]whoareyou31 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You see this is the problem with redpill. You get these RP extremist who preach harmful shit like AWALT or all women are whores. Ive a huge fan of RP because it has so many beneficial truths in life but it also has so many flaws.

[–]nofilmynofucky -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

you need to read up more on this tbh

[–]cl3537 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Unbeleiveable, 36, vape everyday, write like a 16 year old girl, stupid nickname, giving 'advice', 125k post karma.

You are on permanent ignore, redpill is unfortunately full of fucktards like you and its too bad because you are the opposite of helpful and your ignorant opinions just make you a piece of shit bordering on troll.

[–]nofilmynofucky -1 points0 points  (0 children)

poisoned well falacy


[–]dthlist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough but how do you discern between a worthy ltr and a girl who makes you wait for sex.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s a good advice but really... in my country most women are in the hookup scene.

[–]glawkneintehn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not enough women in things that go vroom and have wheels :( I don't have time for anything else.

[–]ppanthero 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but still AWALT and still those “nice“ girls will be a slut for the right guy. But of course good advice never the less.

[–]criveros 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even there it will be the same.

[–]Rene-Girard 1 points1 points [recovered]

Honestly, how many girls actually have any hobbies and are not just tagging along with their boyfriends? School, work, social circles is much more realistic.

[–]salezman12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're not wrong. I don't like the negative attitude you have about it, but you're not wrong. Young women these days do, often times, lack any interest in, well, anything. During the small talk bullshit phase, one of the things that always comes up is hobbies, and the amount of women who can't tell you a single fucking thing they're into is astounding.

[–]Helpmedecideplz2008 0 points1 point  (0 children)

just ask stacey to pick up the cannon ball at the battle and bone her from behind

[–]Swelfie 42 points43 points  (10 children)

Understand statistical sampling. The new chicks you are hitting left and right off Tinder with little effort is likely to skew your sample towards chicks that get hit left and right off Tinder. Just sayin.

[–]kellykebab 12 points13 points  (9 children)

I think what it sounds like OP probably finds unnerving is that the Tinder sluts he meets don't seem to fall into a pattern in terms of personality, behavior, or appearance.

Even if pursuing Tinder chicks is selecting for the type of person who uses Tinder, it is still concerning when you can't determine a heuristic for weeding out "Tinder sluts' from the general population. If even nice, good girl-seeming chicks from Tinder are complete whores, what qualities is OP supposed to look for out in the real world?

[–]Swelfie 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Personally I take them as I get them, dodge the obvious red flags up front and then screen out the bad apples. Advertising on a "Netflix and chill?" meat market is a red flag up front to me. And a big thing is to remember that she's not yours, its just your turn. That's not to say your turn won't last a long time, perhaps even your lifespan, but its just your turn and don't tie your own self worth to some chick. If he does find "the one" and isn't willing to walk away then he'll likely be dominated and end up in a crappy relationship with her. Very, very few women want to cling to a man who is afraid to walk on his own, and the few that do are generally broken.

[–]kellykebab 5 points6 points  (5 children)

But do you see my point? If Tinder sluts look and act like normal girls in every other way besides being on Tinder, once you look for girls off Tinder, it's not surprising that you would now be suspicious of all of them?

[–]Swelfie 2 points3 points  (4 children)

No. I mean I see where that idea can foster but I think its just wrong. There's a human brain in there with immense variations. Sure, there are common tendencies and statistical norms but you don't get to live in a world of norms, you have to deal with the individual data points that are all over the map.

Its the same with guy friends. I've got a lot of guy friends. Most of them I would never want to be my room mate. There's a huge number of guys I know who are just carp. And I have a couple best buds I'd trust my life with. But imagining an app to swipe left or right on and hook up with a potential best bud? What does my next best bud look like? I mean, all these guys just look like guys, but most are shit. It doesn't make me suspicious of guys in general. Or rather, it makes me suspicious of people, but not to the point that I'm going to resign myself to hang out with shit guys the rest of my life.

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I'm not really following your point or how it relates to mine.

I guess my point is twofold:

1) if slutty girls use Tinder, shouldn't they display at least a few red flags besides the mere fact that they're on Tinder?

2) what red flags should we look for in the real world? especially important if the answer to #1 is "no"

[–]Swelfie 8 points9 points  (2 children)

The answer IMHO to #1 is yes. Its a hookup app. That doesn't mean there aren't some gems buried in that mud, but you are digging through a lot of mud to find them.

Some common red flags:

Brags about guys she's had. Stories about exes are okay after you get to know each other a bit, but if she's bragging about riding the cock then you know what she is good for.

"Party girl". Nuff said.

Heavy drug/alcohol.

Overly defensive/aggressive.

Looks for rape/abuse sympathy early on. If someone confides in me, a close friend or lover, a story of abuse then I'm going to comfort them. If a practical stranger starts telling me about her rape and it ain't no deep personal thing then she's either broken or dangerous.

Trying to dominate and won't accept equal or submissive. Includes common put downs and ribbing that isn't flirtatious. After the initial shit test phase. If the shit tests don't let up, she's gone.

Batshit crazy beyond just thinking the Crystal around her neck cures cancer. Like can't control temper, tantrums, cryfests. Or believes some serious fucked up shut like how theres a faction of society out to get her personally.

Too many strong bedroom no's. Like, I get that she might not want to be reamed in the ads, but if I'm wondering if its okay to touch her where I feel like while I cum then there's going to be a problem. She should be enthusiastic with clearly defined and reasonable boundaries and a nice list of maybe's.

Pushes for money/lifestyle info.

Do dreams or goals outside of landing a guy. Man, a healthy chick has got to at least want to save the whales or some other fantasy cause.

Challenges me to be "bad" outside of the two of us. I don't need a chick to coax me into more tequila or driving to fast. I am plenty adept on my own at making poor choices.

Can't deal with separation. She better be able to handle a few days without hearubg from me without becoming a frantic mess.

Invasive of my privacy in any way.

Fuck.... I could do this all day lol.

[–]FromTheCaveIntoLight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Solid fucking list

[–]trp1784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is dead on, my crazy whore ex had all but a couple of the traits on that list. Dating one BPD girl taught me more about what to avoid than all my other relationships combined.

[–]trp1784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You really can't tell until you get to know them. Imo the best way to find out if she's a slut is to act like you don't care if she's a slut and eventually she will start talking about it, also watch her actions. I'm sure not every girl on Tinder is a slut, but it seems like it's a lot more likely. The girls on Tinder that want an LTR will find a boyfriend and delete Tinder, the girls that just want to ride a lot of random dick will stay on tinder and keep riding random dick, so you will find a lot more sluts on there than you would in other locations. I think the best strategy is to just lower your expectations, you shouldn't expect anything more than sex from a Tinder date. Plate some girls and let them prove to you that they are worth an LTR.

[–]RedHoodhandles 24 points25 points  (5 children)

Hey OP I feel your pain. I'm 30 and actually in the same boat as you right now. I have nothing to add to help you asides from what the other guys already said. You don't meet the future mother of your children in a bar, club or tinder.

But I have a sweet little story to share that drove the red pill deeper down my throat as it already were.

I've met this 22 year old acrobat chick (perfect body) on a company event, so no, no Tinder. After the 3rd date (2nd fuck date) I got her to open up about her past. This girl had 1 bf for 1 1/2 years, was single for a few months, had two more dicks and then had another 3 year relationship that ended end of last year.

Alright, 22 years old, 4 dicks in, I could deal with that in the long term. Oh boy.... The CC awaits..

Starting this year she decided to go on a Tinder rampage and fucks ~20(!) dicks within 2 months. She even has a sex logbook. I'm number 26 btw. Funny thing is she met number 25 on the same event she met me but he pulled it off on the first date (I'm such an amateur, heh). She fucked one more guy after me (of that I know).

Believe me, you cannot imagine how dumbfounded I was lying there in her bed as she told me her sweet little story. Sure I was playing it cool but puking internally, thinking, uuum.. I just licked that..

Welcome to clown world.

[–]blister333 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sure I was playing it cool but puking internally, thinking, uuum.. I just licked that..

this made me laugh.. just dont think about it

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Don't eat pussy faggot

[–]RedHoodhandles 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Run home child.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate eating pussy, i'd rather have a girl choke on my cock than taste the pussy of a girl who's got railed by 25 different men in the same month

[–]trpchecker 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Most of these tinder "sluts" don't have any validation coming from other forms. Dick and communication from men is all they have for validation. You can't blame them for it. It is one way of living life just like you are banging sluts.

Lot of guys here are stupid saying, don't go meet chicks in tinder. That's not where you find LTR material etc. That might be true but you can also meet someone on the street or at your hobby place who use tinder. This is similar to guys saying don't LTR a chick that sleeps with you on a first date. Maybe she slept with you on the first date and that was her first time, or maybe she made you wait but got railed by some dude in the bathroom within 15 mins.

So now that that has been cleared, follow this advice. Look for women that you are attracted to but share very similar values/qualities as you, and also are getting validation in life from doing things that improve them internally.

Values : Examples - I like partying and getting wasted vs I like socially drinking. I think friends with exes is okay vs cut off ties with exes. Being together a lot vs having independence. Pda vs no pda. I can keep going on. But I'm just bringing up very common things that matter. There is no right or wrong here. It is just values that you and her accept and prefer. When you look for these things its important that you don't communicate to her that you need this. You need to look for it passively and in some cases communicate if some boundary is crossed explaining that it is not acceptable if you like her otherwise.

Validation : Examples :- music creation, arts, dancing, sports, writing, reading, blogging, photography. Gym and doing any of these stuff casually doesn't count. You can clearly say when someone is genuinely passionate about something.

Plate material will probably lack proper values or validation. They are all malleable and will generally accept/deny to do anything depending on who they are with. LTR material will almost have strong values + internal validation. But I bet if you haven't met a single LTR material girl yet, you probably are not attracted to those kind of women. You prefer the "sluts" and you want to convert them to follow your way.

[–]boy_named_su 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Aim for girls that have had long LTRs with few gaps

You probably need to go to church to find girls that don't gargle hogs all day, but even then you can't be sure

[–]lookoutitscaleb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

hog is my new favorite term for my third leg.

[–]fcking77 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Religious girls are the worst.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Couldn't agree more. Biggest hoes I've ever met are ALWAYS devout christians.

[–]rigbed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great reason to go to church

[–]Zahlix 1 points1 points [recovered]

Meh, I can't blame them. If I was given that type of power in the sexual market place without any kind of effort or repercussion, I wouldn't know if I "behaved myself".

[–]room_303 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Blame their daddy's.

[–]lookoutitscaleb 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Would definitely go to say I wouldn't recommend "looking" for a LTR.

Your life shouldn't be qualified by women or the amount of women in your life. You should build a beautiful life and let women along for the ride if they meet your standards.

Yes AWALT but it's up to you to be the reason for her not to branch swing. If she cheats that's a reflection of yourself but not necessarily a bar with which to measure yourself. It's a way to reflect on your actions and how you are perceived but shouldn't be a measurement of value imo.

I'm still internalizing TRP but Unicorns are a myth. Snow leopards exist. You shouldn't be hunting for a snow leopard. Most of them are locked up in someone else's zoo or hiding from the scary hunter. The best hunter sit and waits till he gets the perfect shot. Do you, not expecting the mother of your children, just living life. Recognize the snow leopard when she arrives. Till then enjoy the fact that she's a slut so you can try out things and test new boundaries.

You're also a bit older than me so we may have differing perspectives on life and what we're looking for, but that's my take on TRP thus far in my journey.

[–]PlzBuffBeamu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the best comment on this post. I have the exact same mentality, after I started living like this everything fell into place so smoothly.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Was it that month alone she fucked 7 guys or was it the overall count? If she's on the 20 - 24 range is no surprise, and it's actually pretty low.

Realistically, it's safe to assume any 24 year old chick has an n-count over 30 (assuming she's been in an LTR for 2 or 3 years which is common).

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

7 in one month, including myself, at 19. Had 1 LTR prior to that and was a virgin before that. Felt like such a sweet kid, really is a waste.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

7 in one month? Holy shit. That's almost 2 new guys per week on average.

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

I know. I was repulsed.

[–]read_if_gay_ 0 points1 point  (4 children)

How did you find out?

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

I just asked. If she said 0 I would’ve believed it.

[–]read_if_gay_ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Do you just straight up ask or do you bring the topic up gracefully in some way? I think I couldn't be very sure that I'm getting honest answers if I just asked.

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

You probably won’t get an honest answer. I guess I just gave a very nonjudgmental vibe. I just poked fun at her for using me as a rebound, she was like “actually...”

[–]read_if_gay_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, yeah that sounds like a good way to at least get closer to the truth.

[–]room_303 1 point2 points  (0 children)


I see what you did there.

[–]glawkneintehn 9 points10 points  (2 children)

"Whatever happens between us, just please don't disappear, I really want to be friends at the least, you're so amazing and I've never met anyone like you before"

In translation: this never happens to me, and the cool guys usually disappear to go fuck 100 other girls just like me, so please please please don't go.

If you're keeping yourself fit, have a purpose and direction in life girls will swoon. Find the one that has the most enthusiasm and does the most to demonstrate herself as an attractive and quality mate. Also make sure that she doesn't have issues with emotional honesty and vulnerability.

As far as I'm concerned if a girl is very seriously competing for your attention, and making herself vulnerable she really cares, (at least for now). Pick that girl, and let her continue demonstrating her ability to be a good partner, and reward her emotionally and sexually. Don't falter on your own responsibilities, and don't be too flexible for her because she will want to spend time with you (because you're the shit) but you need to handle your health and wealth before you can go back to share it with her otherwise it will diminish, and so will her interest, and so will her "love"

Refer to handling "the talk" sidebar post. Let her bring it up and then kinda brush it off the first time or two. Yes it will frustrate her, but if she walks away you just dodged a fucking armor piercing bullet. If after multiple attempts she's still trying, give her some of what she wants and dig deeper, clearly she's onto something more than "I want a boyfriend" because after 1-2 attempts most girls will give up considering they're 24/7 being blown up by other sexual opportunities. Repeat this until you slowly reach the level of LTR that you or she desires.

I think TRP is unrealistic with the whole NO LTR policy or attitude. And also unrealistic with the only date virgins shit. Surprise dude, she has 10000x the sexual opportunity you do just by existing. You think they're not going to tap that potential and explore?

[–]red_matrix 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Surprise dude, she has 10000x the sexual opportunity you do just by existing. You think they're not going to tap that potential and explore?

Once she taps into that potential and fucks dozens of men she loses her ability to pair bond, and thus loses the very thing that men desire. In the eyes of men she loses any value she had.

Men age like fine wine, women age like milk.

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

Another issue I have in implementing TRP is that I sort of fool myself time and time again. I’m looking for an LTR, but when you’re holding a hammer everything looks like a nail. So often I’d meet someone who checks the right boxes, gives me the impression of being a non-slut, and I just create this perfect image of a pure LTR girl in my head. Only to have reality shatter this image later on. And it always hits you like a kick in the balls.

How do I not give these girls credit they don’t yet deserve? I know I should be more careful in my vetting process but it’s hard to get to know someone while assuming the worst about them.

[–]expansion101 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The only advice for it that I can suggest is that experience will take it out of you, but you need to stop creating that "perfect image of a pure LTR girl" in your head.

Not only does that sound like oneities, but it is being dishonest to yourself.

[–]Fryguy48 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only advice for it that I can suggest is that experience will take it out of you

That's what did it for me, mostly.

[–]glawkneintehn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m looking for an LTR, but when you’re holding a hammer everything looks like a nail.

So drop the hammer buddy. Let her look for the LTR, refer to sidebar 'handling the talk' and my other comment.

[–]Ballosaurus 1 points1 points [recovered]

You're doing this to yourself. They're all the same. Quit building them up in your mind and start keeping your expectations low. Let them seduce you for a change.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (15 children)

I think you gotta find them young. N-counts grow every year, so for every year above 18 she is, expect at least one more notch. At least.

My current LTR is a HB8 with n-count 4, three who were not me. She was 19 when we met though. At the time, her two best friends had n-counts of 1 each, HB7s... they're 21 now, and they both have n-counts of 4. Both girls are very relationship oriented and only dabble in "night life." They're solid catches--and still, they're at n = 4. I really don't know any HB6+ who have an N below 4 that are 20 or older. I talk about this a lot with girls, so this isn't a tiny sample size, either. I do know one chick who might be at N = 1 because she's a HB9 who's dated a current college football player since she was 15, but I don't know that for certain and honestly even if she was N = 1 it doesn't matter to anyone here because nobody here is dating that chick. Would not be surprised if her next BF was a pro athlete. She's too hot for her college football player BF--seriously.

So, yeah, don't expect a girl over 20 to be under N = 4. Not just saying that because it's what my LTR is at, also saying that because it's the floor that I've noticed in my age group.

edit: also want to edit in that I agree with the poster who said don't meet them on tinder or at clubs. My LTR I met in class--she did go out at that point (what college freshmen don't?), but she never talked to guys when she went out unless she knew them already. Also, neither her nor any of her low N-count friends have ever used tinder. The low-N girls just don't.

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

You’re right but this is really best case scenario.

As for age, it seems to me like the younger they are the more slutty they are. The girl I mentioned in another comment was only 19. I’ve had several young girls like that who would just have lots and lots of casual sex for fun. These girls grew up on Tinder. I think that for women around my age hooking up wasn’t very socially acceptable when we were that age. Of course single 30 year old women aren’t that much of a catch for other reasons.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'd disagree. I don't think cultural norms have changed that much the last 5 years. The difference you're seeing is that younger girls have more time until they settle down, so they're still more willing to be vocally slutty. For that reason, I think younger girls are great targets because older girls are more difficult to distinguish from one another (all hide their red flags, looking for a BB) while younger girls will curve you if you don't seem alpha to them. Then you can get a sense for how promiscuous they are while you're plating them.

The older girls just already had that phase where alpha men plated them a lot. They're not better; they're just done that phase. And personally, if I'm going to LTR a girl and let her share in my future wealth, life, and DNA, then I want to be the guy who she thought was a hot stud she wanted to fuck at 20 and not the guy she "fell in love with" at 25.

[–]JunKunX 1 points1 points [recovered]

Where do you meet them and how do you verify count?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

I don't really know where I meet people; I'm just in college lol. I talk to people and if it's a chick maybe I jot a # down and contact them later. I guess in particular class stands out as somewhere I meet a lot of people.

Anyways, verifying count is easiest when you know a chick. You can never be certain, but if you know a girl for a long period of time, you either will have or won't have heard stories about her riding dick. And friends of girls will spill girls' own info all the time. A lot of times what friends say isn't perfectly accurate, but it's unlikely to be far off. From my experience.

As for my LTR, I'm pretty sure of her n-count because she originally told it to me blackout drunk (long story--my fault, but don't worry it just ended up being funny because we'd already smashed I'm not a rapist lmao) when I'd known her for only a short time, didn't know she had told me, and when I asked her sober she said the same numbers/names. Also, I trust but verify hard so I check phones every now and then, and she'd texted her best friend about their n-counts and she said hers was, again, the same #. So she's either really, really, internalized that lie, or it's actually true. Based on her personality, I'd tend to think it's true--and that's as much as you'll ever be able to know.

[–]JunKunX 1 points1 points [recovered]

She got trashed, quality gf material?

you ask her up front, you check her phone, insecurity?

Treading on a thin line my dude

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

She actually doesn't drink lol. And hasn't since like 3 months after I met her when she was a plate. This was right when I met her. Show me a college freshman that's never blacked out and I'll show you someone who's full of shit. Girls are real people too.

Ask her what upfront? Her n-count? Never did that. She told me because she was drunk, and I asked her straight-up sober later to see if she'd say the same #. If I recall correctly, I think I just asked if she remembered what she said--I told her she told me. We talk about those things a lot; it wasn't an autistic question.

Also, you're dumb if you don't check phones. I don't do it regularly--just intermittently. I bet a ton of men here wished they'd routinely checked phones rather than be cheated on for years before discovering it. It gets a bad rep, but it's effective so I don't care. lol

[–]JunKunX 1 points1 points [recovered]

show me a college freshman who’s never blacked out

Me, because I don’t want to fry my brain cells that I’m trying so hard to maximize. I’m not autistic and I’ve had a few drinks before, but it’s been 2 years

I told her she told me

You said, “I remember you telling me your count”? How is that not weird?

you’re dumb if you don’t check phones

Strict parents make sneaky kids. I would check, but not if she knew

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

  1. Well my fried brain cells are pretty damn strong anyways. I go to a top 20 university in the US with a rigorous major. Very routine to leave college with 6 figure salaries. Friend of mine makes $450,000/year out of college when he graduated this year.
  2. I don't remember what I said to her. This was literally two years ago. You weren't there.
  3. She doesn't know I check. I've never found anything, so there's no reason I'd tell her.

[–]JunKunX 1 points1 points [recovered]

  1. Lmao what?

  2. Relax, I didn’t know if you asked straight up

  3. How do you hide it from her? Wake up at night?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

  1. You said alcohol fries brain cells because she drank in college, but I drink too lol. Not much anymore, but I did--it's very normal to do.
  2. No, it was in conversation and light-hearted, didn't throw a ton of pressure on her to answer that's retarded. But I have no clue what was actually said.
  3. The times I've done it have been made easy for me because we'll be either at a party or out in public and she doesn't have pockets so I hold her phone. Just gotta be opportunistic to avoid suspicion haha.

[–]JunKunX 1 points1 points [recovered]

alcohol fries brain cells

I was more confused about your $450k out of college from a T20, unless you’re working independently. But then that has nothing to do with your degree

didn’t throw a ton of pressure

makes sense

just gotta be opportunistic

lmfaooooooa wow. no passcode? Or I can imagine you doing this:

You: babe let’s hold hands Her: aww sure You: -gets phone on the other hand and presses it against her finger- Her: ? You: my bad, just had to move your phone to the other pocket!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You forget that you have to multiply whatever she says x4. Don't listen to what they say.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, I think the whole "multiply by x" is a little bit autistic way of thinking honestly. Do you know a single time that's been proven true? In my experience, some girls misreport and some don't--if you know them for a period of time, it's not impossible to figure out. And when a girl lies, there's no mathematical basis to it.

Besides, most of my numbers aren't directly from girls themselves, so it'd be difficult for a girl to lie to me--without even talking to me.

Unless you're referencing that for every PIV experience there's normally other near-experiences or whatever that don't get counted in. Things like oral, handjobs, etc. If so, then sure you're right--their N is way higher than what they say; however, I honestly don't give a fuck if an LTR of mine gave handjobs. That's not sex. Sex is much, much more intimate imo. I wouldn't want a blowjob queen, but I think a blowjob queen would ping other sexual red flag marks anyways. They tend to be kinda crazy.

[–]fabelisback 4 points5 points  (1 child)

7 is a lot.

[–]kellykebab 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For real. Even as a guy I would maybe feel a little gross after 7 randos in one month.

[–]Palikan27 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I am living in a third world country and the trouble is reverse. Sex without commitment is rare. Sometimes I wonder how people can be that much degenerate when I hear someting like this but i can’t say I am very happy about my city also.

[–]idgaf- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Western post-scarcity culture.

In the west, women don't depend on men at all. Rich families or student debt can float them into their 30s. Everyone waiting until 25+ to start a career.

TV and media spread a culture of constant consumption / hedonism. Look at almost every movie geared to teens, they involve partying, alcohol, or sex. In characters, laziness is glorified and intelligence is "nerdy". It's funny, after cutting out TV and movies for several years, this becomes VERY apparent in western TV & movies.

Social media provides constant validation and short lived dopamine hits. As a result, most girls are constantly "bored" and crave the next big dopamine hit.

Very different from girls who understand true struggles in life.

[–]Lego_My_Alter_Eggo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The grass is always greener...

[–]AwkwardEmpath 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's a real shame that todays women are encouraged to be ravenous shameless whores because they're just embracing their 'sexuality' but to be fair you can't look for LTRs that aren't like that at clubs or tinder. Need to find hobbies and look for girls that are passionate about the same stuff and whatnot.

[–]Khiv_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe this disgust I feel is wrong and I should just accept that women are sexual creatures too?

This is a must regardless of your goals with women. Why? Because it is a fact, and men must accept facts instead of living in fantasy.

Maybe just because she’s promiscuous doesn’t disqualify her as LTR material?

Promiscuous is cultural idea. If you accept that sex only needs sexual attraction to happen, you will be fine with the fact that she has fucked a lot of people before. When I was 18 or something I always went for virgins or potential virgins and I thought those were the best women to have in a LTR. These days I just don't care. You don't have to follow the same path as me, but understand that is it you who decide what is okay for a LTR, or what even an LTR means. For example a LTR for me today is just a long term plate, when I was 18 it would be a monogamous bf/gf thing with the intent to marry.

But I don’t know man, it’s kind of hard to accept that the future mother of my kids got double-teamed in a club bathroom or some shit (seen this happen).

You can definitely find women who don't have much sexual experience. Hell, I bet you could find a 30 year old virgin if you looked in the right places. But as I said in the beginning, women are sexual creatures, and having less or more sexual experience is a matter of opportunity, of culture, etc. Every girl has the potential to be a slut, and you shouldn't fool yourself into thinking that your 30 year old virgin is going to be more loyal to you than the slut with 7 simultaneous dicks in her mouth. As you said yourself, AWALT. If you are chosing to marry and have children despite AWALT, you need to find some strategy to accept that fact and to be able to keep a family at the same time. I don't want the same thing as you so I don't know what strategy that would be.

[–]2comment 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This got me thinking, is it possible that the issue is with me and my expectations?

No, but you should treat your expectations as such.

Humans are no longer in our evolved environment. We don't worry about immediate or seasonal survival (which was an issue just 200 years ago and for millions of years before that). Women no longer have to worry about getting pregnant by random dick and booted/exiled from her family/tribe so they can act with abandon. Doubly so since so many white knights will fall on their swords for them. Etc. We've been inching this way since the rise of civilization gave humanity some measure of a safety net but the discovery and harnessing of petroleum as our worker has speeded things up a thousand-fold than normal, outstripping the capacity of our inherited instincts to change and adapt.

So your instincts, which ultimately are only internal guides to increased chances of spreading your DNA around, are spot on, but for an environment that just isn't there anymore. It might come back, it might be permanently gone, no one can predict the future with certainty. Now you know the source of your discontent and how you live life is up to you. Many here just enjoy the decline but if that's not for you, find something else to do.

[–]StripperWhore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm a 30 year old stripper and my N count is probably fairly low compared to most people my age. (I have only slept with one man before my current bf now) If you're seeking someone with a low number count, I highly recommend someone that values monogamy and is introverted. I find it's probably introversion that occurs most strongly with low number counts vs all otbwe factors. Also seek someone who doesn't really need outsider approval

[–]cl3537 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The issue is you have massive cognitive dissonance. You are meeting Tinder whores and you think you are so 'special' and they fuck you easily but you are not magical they fuck others as well.

Stop hooking up with Tinderellas and go after higher quality girls who don't have triple digit n-counts.

[–]OPTIMUSL1ME 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm late as fuck but let me just go ahead and say that nobody is particularly happy to be here. There's a few recurring themes both here (which is kind of like TRP lite) and in the main sub, which is frustration with the way things are, discomfort in adapting, and that men are the true romantics. If you disagree with this you should lurk more and you will pretty much answer all your own questions.

IMO casual sex for both sexes is something not only completely unfulfilling but damaging to anyone planning to get serious later on in life. Only a smoothbrain or an animal has sex for the sensation, it's only worth it if you've got skin in the proverbial game (and everyone does, even a little, whether they like it or not). Every time you have sex with a different partner you devalue that sex. If your sex is worthless, in the future, what will separate your wife from a regular friend, and vice versa? For pair bonding, this is why low partner counts are subconsciously preferred for anyone in control of their own actions. Arguably your body count doesn't matter to her (or is even attractive) because of her biological programming, but I digress.

At that, I would say that it would be beneficial to your spiritual and emotional health to stop the Tinder sexcapades soon.

To answer your question, when meeting anyone new, especially on a HOOKUP app, you should assume she is the biggest slut you've ever seen. Personally, 5 partners is high for me, hell, really anything over two is getting into wacked out slut territory. But I fully acknowledge that this an unrealistic expectation. Women have a way of justifying things such that there are no absolutes and everything is weighted by emotion. An easy example of this is women fucking guys abroad but not adding them to their body count. You need to keep this in mind when talking with women, since they will lie to your face about their history, etc. if it means they get what they want (sex, commitment, money).

All of this considered, you are best off going for women with very low partner counts. Do not settle. Settling is setting yourself up for failure since you know in your heart you will never be satisfied. If she is a slut, she is not LTR or Marriage material, period. There are plenty of statistics to support this. On a base level, it means a poor impulse control, which is always an unattractive quality. I suggest doing some research on divorce rates and infidelity.

As others have said, your best bet to find marriage material is wholesome activities or church. You are 31, so it is safe to say (unfortunately) that any women your age that are still single have something wrong with them. Keep going for younger women and use that age and your financial base to gain their attention. The west is going down the shitter fast. You sound like you're from the U.S. or another English speaking country. If you are, AWALT every single time, and limit your risk as much as possible. I'm not telling you to give up. There are few things worth fighting for anymore, though a family is one of them. But it's going to be hard to do what you're asking, marriage, commitment, loyalty, and especially raising kids in this hell. Good Luck.

[–]redvelvet_oreo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TRP is just a hard pill to swallow. TRP has always applied but modern day women have so much access to be sluts and get props for it also. Social Meda put all women on a pedestal and Tinder just gave them access to whatever cock they feel like using that time of night.

It’s unfortunate but the only way to get ahead is to play the game. Fuck as many bitches as you can. Get into an LTR and enjoy it for what it is. As the saying goes keep two in the kitty. Have a backup during your LTR.

Try to find a girl that has a good relationship with her dad and more on the conservative side. These types are usually better quality.

Don’t stress it to much dude just have to accept it for what it is.

[–]abudun79 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What you complain about is exactly the same as what every BP guy out there suffers from: You cannot handle women, happily play in their game and you desperately wish they were something they're not.

Reminds me of:

Every man wants a slut, he just wants her to be HIS slut. - Rollo Tomassi

The shame is: You, as a self-proclaimed RP-man, know much more about the nature and the way of women, than any BP-man. At least you have a worthy goal in mind. Yet, you complain. Doesn't feel like a big improvement, does it? Why? Because you're not yet half way through your journey, and lost sight, deep in the valley. Read sidebar material again, and focus on the resources that deal with achieving what you desire. You understood the mechanics, now find out how you can make them work in your favor.

And then climb that hill in front of you and on top of it, you'll see where the rest of your journey needs to go through. And you'll enjoy it.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

In my west European country (Nordic), almost all good looking girls got and n-count on 15+ by age 22 easily. Though this country is extremely infected by feminists. It can be frustrating to find a girl under n-count 20, btw most lie about it by large amounts as well.

Why you feel like you feel is very biological, a girl is not supposed to fuck that many males by nature. It would mean like 5-15 pregnancies without contraceptions. Girls today are sluts, try to find the least sluttiest with all other characteristics you want. Its hard...

It’s the same for a woman who want to find a perfect mix of alpha beta, very rare in today’s ultra feminized society. Btw I’m a male with an n-count around 15-20 and 22 years old with a 3 year relationship behind me which I was faithful in, so I’m not surprised if a girl doubles that amount without lifting a finger Good Luck!

[–]thesquarerootof1 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This was actually very interesting and made very much sense. Scandinavian women are one of the most attractive women in the world and I'm surprised they have such a high n-count. I would think the more attractive the female, the less her n-count. Interesting reply for sure!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

More attractive = more sexual offers combined with “you gotta be a strong sexual independent woman” and no slut shaming = high N-count

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

I had a similar experience with a Norwegian who told me about that one time she had a foursome with 3 guys, back when she was 16. She was so.... normal about it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, a woman here that has sex with many guys isn’t ashamed about it at all (if she isn’t religious or anything). Actually I have an LTR with a girl with a high N-count, it will be fun & educational to see how it plays out, I’m prepared for the absolute worst but I see it as a time of teachings.

[–]zboo1h 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Yep, they all have the capacity to guzzle strange sperm in a bathroom at a moments notice, regardless of their relationship status. They all have the capacity to take hundreds of strange dicks just because muh dopamine. You're absolutely right, there are a LOT of them that are just disgusting trash, absolutely awful.

They're also the only game in town, so unless you like fucking men I suggest you figure out how to live in this reality comfortably. Hate for something is just love for something mixed with longing.

[–]revosfts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They're also the only game in town, so unless you like fucking men I suggest you figure out how to live in this reality comfortably.

Hilarious and true

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind fucking these sluts, but I can’t help but feel absolutely grossed out by them to the point where I normally lose all respect and non-sexual attraction the moment I see them for what they are. Often sexual attraction is lost too, at least after a couple of bangs.

So what options do I have here really? Either I ignore my disgust or I stay alone? This is hard to accept (which is probably why I keep fooling myself).

Too bad I don’t like men, really.

[–]Saberinbed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let me put it this way, woud you fuck 100 10s in a month if you could? You would right? Is that gross? Nope, its fun and enjoyabe. Same logic applies to girls. They like dick. We like pussy. All girls are the same. Learn to live with it or just never get a girlfriend, which in my honest opinion, is waste of time.

[–]ShotgunTRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tinder is a hookup site. Of course they are sluts. Find new hunting grounds.

[–]Black_m0ngoose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Location, location, location.

Some of the ECs here already pointed out the obvious: don't participate in hookup outlets, as someone who is actively hooking up with others who are actively hooking up, and not expect to find complete sluts.

The truth is, in my experience, coming off as a player makes you great stud material but conversely makes you a poor provider, generally speaking.

Girls who are looking for something serious wouldn't be on hookup sites. Girls who list "looking for a serious relationship" are simply throwing up their ASD in case their families and friends find their profile.

Actions, not words.

And that goes both ways.

You essentially self select yourself out of the LTR pool by engaging in STR patterns of behavior. The women who have any real value as future mothers will avoid you. They're the "exceptions" you're trying to snag- the women at the edges of the bell curve.

TLDR: Be more beta and you'll pick up a relationship- just don't expect them to put out in the first night and have them be worth anything.

[–]The__Tren__Train 3 points4 points  (0 children)

they changed the rules to the game... but are still expecting the same outcome (marriage, family, etc).

if you want to roll over and play 'family man' to a used up slag, that's your choice.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Go to a Catholic village in Mexico and bring back a wife that cleans and makes you chalupas. Or alternatively you could make an offering of goats and grain to a girl's father in Iran.

[–]chachaChad 6 points7 points  (16 children)

Wait... so you're fucking up a storm on tinder and you're upset girls are doing the same thing? Really?

[–]fcking77 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Double standard isn't it?

[–]kellykebab -2 points-1 points  (13 children)

Dude, be honest. Everyone has a limit. One guy doesn't want his LTR to have had 1 dick. Another guy could go up to 100. But no one is okay with 10,000. There is a limit.

[–]chachaChad 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Is the limit different for girls and guys? He's fucking his way through tinder and is complaining the all the girls he meets on tinder are sluts. Do you not see the problem with that?

[–]Endovelico 4 points5 points  (6 children)

It's much harder for men to pull then women. A woman with high count means she can't keep a man for the Life of her, a man with a high count these days means he has something going for him.

[–]chachaChad 3 points4 points  (5 children)

I get that. My only point really was that if you're going act like a slut you shouldn't be surprised to meet other sluts.

"I keep hanging out in shitty bars and all I meet is drunks! What's up with that?"

[–]kellykebab 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But it's not even the same behavior. A slutty woman is usually just one who has become less choosy. A "slutty" man is usually one who has become more social, more charismatic, more active in approaching women. In other words, the guy generally had to increase skills and effort. The woman generally just decreased her standards.

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

Man, it’s really just a matter of personal preference. Some guys like blondes, some guys like big tits, I like low N-counts. I can’t help it, it’s what I like. If a potential partner blows me off for having had casual sex on Tinder, that’s only fair. Most girls don’t care though.

As for Tinder itself, there are many, many girls where I live who use it for relationships. There are many ways to use it. But if you’re single, you’re on it. There might be some selection bias here but it’s not that big.

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So if you're claiming some girls in your area are genuinely using Tinder for LTRs, why aren't you meeting up with them?

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

Either they don’t match with me, or I’m not attracted to them. Sometimes I think I have one of those but she turns out to be a slut.

There’s also the fact that I’m 31, good single women are rare.

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair. If you're that good-looking, seems like you should still be able to find a nice-looking girl in her early/mid-20s for an LTR. Might have to go for 6s instead of 8s. But yeah, vetting for non-slutiness is discouragingly difficult

One unfortunate thing I've found too is that even if the number is low, chastity/self-discipline still isn't often perceived as a value with these girls. If they wanted to or had more opportunity, it would be perfectly okay for them to rack up the numbers. Sad!

[–]kellykebab 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes it is different. I think in general, promiscuity damages women more than men in the long run (psychologically, not just socially). However, contrary to popular RP thinking, I think promiscuity can also be harmful for men. But it's worse for women.

And secondly, attraction is not an equality contest. Most guys are going to be at least a little turned off by female whorishness regardless of their own n-counts. Rationally, you can tell yourself "we're doing the same thing" (even though you aren't; the guy is working much harder for the same results), but that's not going to alter your basic desires. Fat people don't want to fuck other fat people.

[–]thesquarerootof1 -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Dude, be honest. Everyone has a limit. One guy doesn't want his LTR to have had 1 dick. Another guy could go up to 100. But no one is okay with 10,000. There is a limit.

You are completely right about this, but most of us feel that women should have had less partners in their lives because pussies become looser while dicks remain the same. I don't know, I think we are just biologically hardwired to think this way...

[–]kellykebab 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I think most people know that promiscuity does not actually loosen the vagina lol

The real issue is psychological. Guys don't want a girl who can no longer emotionally bond or who has become bored by intimacy/sex.

[–]chachaChad -1 points0 points  (1 child)

It's also becoming jaded or damaged by sex with strangers.

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. Psychological.

[–]NeedingAdvice86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is the girls you are selecting.....and to which you are attracted.

[–]red_matrix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the new norm. Strong, independent women. An entire generation of modern women doomed to become cat ladies in their 30s, chugging wine on the weekends alone watching Netflix. Avoid them at all costs.

[–]ronalddrump69 1 point2 points  (6 children)

7 dicks? Definitely not LTR

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yep. This dick filled month immediately followed her previous LTR breakup (first boyfriend, cheated on her is what she said).

[–]kellykebab 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I mean, just let her know what you think at that point. I catch sort of a vibe on TRP that we're supposed to be completely indifferent to female promiscuity. And yeah, that's probably best if you're about to bang, but if someone gives you a clear reason to never talk to them again, just let her know. Women will only get away with what guys let them.

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

I told her that I think it’s a huge turn off and that I’m not going to be part of it. I tried not to be judgmental, just told her it’s my own preference.

But I also let her know that it’s far, far beneath her. She’s a sweet kid and deserves more than a train of strangers’ dicks, really. I knew she was doing this for validation after being dumped by a cheating ex, so I told her what she needed to hear. That she’s a great woman and she shouldn’t undervalue herself because of some idiot. When we said goodbye I told her I’m here for her if she’s feeling lonely or just needs someone to talk to. I can’t fix her problems but I hope I gave her a small push in the right direction.

“Leave them better than how you found them” is something I try my best to live by.

[–]holyshocker 5 points6 points  (1 child)

She probably had 7 more dicks the same night you told her that.

[–]ronalddrump69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know your feeling. Dated this girl when I was 17, she was 18. Been dating for 2 months and she told me she has had sex with 15 guys. I didn't know how to respond either. After that I wasn't sexually attracted anymore either. Dumped her. A few months later she dated one of my friends. Her excuse was 'I thought they really loved me, it was not my fault they used me for sex'. Girls are whores.

[–]NextForever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you're a slut as well, calm your tits

[–]Rollo_Mayhem3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you can't control what the girls it or not. stop bitching. if you don't like sluts then stay away from them.

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What's your Tinder game/profile like? 1 every couple weeks seems pretty good

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

Just playful and short exchanges, nothing sexual. I don’t try to impress them with clever jokes either, and I try not to ask too many questions over text. I try to set up a date in a bar next to my place as soon as possible (unless I feel like there’s an opportunity to cut straight to the chase).

I live in a big touristy city and lookswise I’m probably top ~15%, so that’s probably most of it.

[–]kellykebab -1 points0 points  (0 children)

lookswise I’m probably top ~10%

Ugh why did I even ask

JK, I'm sure that is doing a lot of the work, but good for you.

Do you mind giving an example opening line or 2? Any thoughts on best approach for bio/pics?

[–]neverendingplush 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im currently fucking an 18 year old that turned that age a month before we met. she has been in a gangbang, anal etc............she showed me her tinder, and by god.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read my Bitch Management guide on the main sub, sidebar.

A bitch must earn your commitment. Don't just give it to her because you're hoping desperately and in vain that she'll live up to your expectations. That's not how this shit works.

[–]BabyG0rilla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good luck on Tinder! LMAO

[–]mrHappyPotatoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Red pilled doesnt mean shit. If you only hoard the red pill material and doesnt live your life and make mistakes you will never get out of this self pitty.

[–]mortalcoil1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Men are sluts too. Human beings are sluts. We like having sex. It feels really really good and it's a biological imperative. You brag about sleeping with tons of women then complain when they do it too? Of course women are sexual creatures. You have been sleeping with a lot of them! Then when you want an LTR from the inevitable depression that develops from multiple one night stands you start complaining about all the women sleeping around. You aren't adding anything and you aren't even really asking a question. You just wanted to vent about how human beings, including you, like having sex. I guarantee you, the minority of women have been double teamed in a club bathroom. Also, stop trying to pick up women at clubs and on Tinder, a hook up app.

[–]holyshocker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I fucked so many bitches now i cant find any i haven't fucked to ltr.

[–]fcking77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't try to have a ltr with a girl you met from tinder, try to find a "gf material" in other places, not a club too. And btw, what kind of double standard is that? Women have sex too, just like you bro!

[–]sjdfhskdjfh 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It's so frustrating. They're all absolute whores. I thought I found an exception... a cute girl who went to church weekly and loved kids. When we were fooling around she told me that she had only been with 4 guys (at age 26) and that was by far the lowest I've ever heard. But as the weeks went on, things didn't add up and she came clean to 27 guys (and 3 girls), MMF threesomes, sex tapes, public sex, one night stands, STDs, cheating, and literally cucking her ex-boyfriend until he cried. I just can't believe the state of women these days...

[–]__uwotm8__ 1 points1 points [recovered]

How did you get her to come clean?

[–]sjdfhskdjfh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Alcohol. She would say things that contradicted past comments and eventually I knew she had to be lying. I got her drunk and I gave off a vibe that I didn't care about her promiscuity and she let it all out.

[–]CalvinRichland -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You pusuit sluts and then complain that you find them?

[–]BluePillsAddict 1 points1 points [recovered]

Committing to any woman is exactly like the people in those hoarders shows. Its keeping your trash. You dont keep floss after youre done using it do you? You dont keep your swabs after cleaning the shit out of your ears with them do you? When you open up a new roll of paper towels, what do you do with the plastic wrapping? Just keep fucking these sluts and disposing of them because yay feminism. Find some other purpose to keep yourself occupied with a life that "matters." OR commit, get cucked, and enjoy raising other men's babies. LOL.

[–]Lambdal7 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You've slept around your whole life and now you decided to try out out an LTR for once.

Then you're saying how much women are sluts. See the error in your ways here?

[–]holyshocker -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Find a girl who makes you happy so you can achieve your map. Fuck wasting energy with ncounts. I could ltr a pornstar and still have rock solid frame.

[–]themormonchurch -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

i think this doesn't belong here

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Man up you fucking faggot, women aren't sluts, learn to appreciate sluts for what they are.

Who cares what girls fuck who? You're a man wanting to fuck a bitch and you're on a dating sub, get fucking real, get angry and accept that girls and men will do this.

[–]Bruchibre -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I feel like you my friend. I think we should have been born in 1910. We'd be happily married and have kids.

I'm 35 and when I was 31 I met a girl who was 25 and n-count = 0 so I never left her even when I wanted hard. Because I can't get emotionally involved with girls who bang guys in casual sex. So I stay with her in fear that 1. she'll slut it out if we breakup and 2. I never get emotionally involved with another girl because sluts they all are.

[–]daytonbull90 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The only way you're going to find a RP woman is if you seek a hardcore religious girl in a church somewhere. I'm by no means religious, but I go to church for moral teachings and RP women. A friend of mine is 30 and just got with an 18 year old virgin, it's all the talk in that little community but they're both happy and that's all that matters.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

So you're fairly RP'd except for the part where you have blue goals and sensibilities?

Yes, the problem is you. You mention meeting women in 1 venue and seem surprised when they are exactly who you use that venue to find.

You go to burger king, burgers are on the menu. If you complain about the selection the problem is being a dumb ass and nothing else.