Successful neurosurgeon new to redpill, need some advice

thrway1312 · 2016-06-28T02:59:14+00:00

Lifting is always a good idea, and no matter your situation it will bring benefit. You may not need it for your SMV, but definitely consider its benefit for yourself and your health.

As for the meal ticket thing, maybe don't do meals. There are plenty of other options that are better than dinner dates in terms of opportunities to kino and escalate. Picnics, amusement parks, bars, anywhere doing fireworks, swimming (although lifting makes or breaks this one), hikes, billiards, music shows, coffee, walking around tourist areas, etc.

I could go on, but you get the idea. Also, just having them meet you somewhere instead of picking them up will hide your car, to the end of the date at the very least.

Id definitely conceal your wealth, because the moment she knows you're rich the harder she'll try to hide those red flags.

Edit: I got big thumbs.

WeTheAwakened · 2016-06-28T03:02:13+00:00

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dr_warlock · 2016-06-28T04:15:03+00:00

I think a lot of guys get confused about how to display money to women. They get luxury vehicles and go to fancy resturaunts and wear suits.

Luxury is just style in comfort. Fancy restaurants is just eating in luxury. Again COMFORT. When girls see excess comfort, they hold out on the pussy in an attempt to convince you to commit a bunch of time and resources first. It triggers an ASD response (anti-slut defense). Especially oopsie babies.

What you want to do is show excitement. Get a mean sports car, not a nice mercedes.

Fancy restaurants don't have the best food and they're boring, it's some local shop that has the good foods with a fun casual atmosphere. Take girls there instead. Plus, ain't no woman worth anything over $20 unless you're paying for sex. Believe me, the guys that slay ain't paying shit.

Guys in nice suits don't get as much ass as the muscular bad boys. Wearing a suit is fine, but it's not the suit perse, it's the status you display while wearing it. It's a compliment to status and power. Better off wearing a black t-shirt with a nice watch, shades, jeans, sneakers, and your biceps. Lift, bruh.

Use that cash to rent a yaht, have a party and invite a ton of babes. It's not the cash, it's using it to acquire access to fun shit hot girls don't have. Women want access.

Being muscular, flashin' that cash in exciting ways, and having access to cool toys is the way to get women. No luxury, EXCITEMENT.

You already kick ass at life. You just need to fine tune your strategy and lift.

Eslime · 2016-06-28T03:31:06+00:00

As a golfer, Lifting can add 50+ yards to your drive. I went from a 260 to a 320 average in just a year

beginner_ · 2016-06-28T06:57:33+00:00

My first suggestion is to remove a lot of the personal info in your question so that you can't get doxxed. It's not really relevant to the issue at hand. Are you looking for validation? I don't know but worth thinking about from your side. if you really are so successful and confident with women,you would not end up here. Eg. a good first step is some real honest introspection. Turn of your male hamster. To bring the point across, saying you have tons of money and never need to work again + reputable job is enough.

Are you looking for plates or are you looking for a women to have kids with? (Don't marry ever...)

Lifting can still boost confidence. Being fit and strong is just better, who does not want to be like that? Plus it's also healthier. You have a lot of time. Set yourself a goal in terms of lifting and work towards it. The fit millionaire is still better than the fat one. Plus the fit one can better get away as alpha instead of beta bucks.

In fact this is your issue which makes be doubt your confidence. You have doubts the women actually care about you and not your money. In fact that is very good you think about that. But it also shows you have an inner believe you are not good enough for them without the money. Again, introspection seems to be the way to go but be honest to yourself.

I for sure would tone down the fact you have money. Yes, dress nicely but maybe get stuff from cheaper brand, don't wear a Rolex, maybe get a cheaper car (but not a trash car, something above the masses like $40k range) or don't show them your car. And don't talk about your job or money as little as possible. Albeit yeah, being a doctor is an issue as all women will immediately see you as high income provider. that's why being fit and muscular will help. Will make you look more like the rich, good looking bachelor, player, that doesn't want to settle. As an exercise maybe just lie to them about your job and dress more poorly and see if it goes better.

Don't go for dinner ever on dates. It's what women expect and has the provider effect on them. Take them to the shooting range, water sports and if you really like them, on a plane trip and just have fun. But dinner at expensive places? No. Stop that. Screams provider. Also shooting range probably isn't the best idea for first date...crazy women. First date I prefer just drinks so you can quickly separate if it sucks.

omgimbackagain · 2016-06-28T04:13:11+00:00

Great spot to be, pretty much what everyone in this sub aspires to. You have all the tools, i would say the roadblock is internal.

You need to date as many woman as you can, be shameless and up front about what you are doing and what you want (fun in life they can come along if they please). Do not for a second let your shelf be shamed into a relationship or spending money etc etc. Do exclusively what you want.

By taking this mindset and implementing it you will go further then agonizing over detail. I remember an experiment i read about two groups were given a task each, one to build the best piece of pottery they could in an hour. The other to make as many pots as they could in an hour. The second group always had the best piece of pottery at the end of the experiment.

Couple of notes on lifting:

1) Dont train arms at all for the first couple of months, focus on squat/calves deadlift/chin ups and bench and incline dumbells. This means your major muscles activate more to lift and later on down the track your arms arent taking all of the strain when you struggle to up your weight. This holds guys back longer term.

2) People say you dont need to target your abs exclusively, you do.

3) Get a PT who knows what he is doing (a powerlifting coach?) to teach you form etc. Will save you down the road.

JackGetsIt · 2016-06-28T04:06:19+00:00

Your wealth will probably communicate itself anyway without you saying much. So you really can't hide it. Women are excellent at judging you on your speech patterns, car, clothes, and venue you met them at or bring them too. So you really can't hide your income bracket. One trick I've used to vet girls a bit is when they ask what you do just mention the 'industry' your in. If she asks a ton of follow up questions it gives you a good idea of what you're dealing with. If she is respectful and tactful and allows you to change the subject you have a better chance of weeding out the gold diggers.

Also, avoid dinner dates. It just reeks of 'I want to be a provider.' pick trendy but affordable places like microbrews, winebars, or some event like an art walk, etc. and then transition to dinner or whatever if there's a good vibe. Try to pick a place 'you' really like and see if she gets into it with you. You lead, she follows.

So being an interesting person is not an issue...perhaps a touch arrogant so it wont improve confidence/ self esteem

Lol. Ya think!

I am a bit portly.

In the LA area women have a lot of options, especially beta bucks options. So, if you want women to stop putting you in that category you have to cut the weight. Period. Remember that the lifting is huge but cutting weight is mostly about diet; but being in the medical field you should now this. I'd highly recommend Gary Taubes "Why We Get Fat" he doesn't dumb it down either and with your medical background it should be a quick read.

thrway1312 · 2016-06-28T03:15:03+00:00

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GIGANTIC_NIGGER_DICK · 2016-06-28T04:30:48+00:00

I don't think that it is okay to be fat. Especially if you're rich. Especially if you made your riches in the medical field! You know why you shouldn't be fat, it's terrible for your health! And don't call yourself portly instead of fat, that masks the problem. Yes it is a problem.

But since your rich, I believe you can simply throw money at this problem to solve it. Hire the best personal trainer money can buy. Maybe one all the hollywood celebrities use. Then have him kick your ass in the gym. And make sure to get your diet down to a science. I'm sure the aforementioned trainer can advise you in that category as well. (Do those fancy 5 star reaturants put their food on MyFitnessPal? You're paying so much money, so I would hope so.)

Sepean · 2016-06-28T07:34:35+00:00

Women have a dual sexual strategy. They want both alpha and beta.

Your challenge is that you don't want a woman who is only attracted to your beta (that leads to low quality sex and disrespect). By displaying your wealth you run that risk; however it also increases your pull.

I would work on upping your alpha and go for the absolute top quality women.

And bro, just go lift. That means both lifting heavy weights (this is the easy part, takes 2-3 hours per week) and eating right. That means sticking to your diet, and hitting those targets for daily calories and protein day in and day out. Eating "healthy" is not important, hitting your macros is what matters. Also, consider steroids; you're in a perfect position to get it done right with bloodwork, consults, etc.

I would also pay very much attention to the alpha behavior. Your confidence is good, however arrogance can often come across as insecure and butthurt when people don't play ball or test you. Study outcome independence, IDGAF attitude, amused mastery, passing shit tests with A&A, etc. You'll get a lot more alpha mileage out of those than getting butthurt.

And clean your post of personal info, you're way too easy to doxx.

DiebytheSword666 · 2016-06-28T08:14:55+00:00

I can definitely see a lot of women wanting to lock you down. (And then possibly take you to the cleaners in a divorce.)

I'd say to pick a girl up in one of your nice cars, but purposely take her to some dive, as someone said. If she gives an attitude or jokes about how you drive a _____ , but you're taking her to El-Cheapo Bar n' Grill. You can always use that Rorschach quote, "You don't seem to understand. I'm not on a date with you; you're on a date with me!"

RunawayGrain · 2016-06-28T11:04:38+00:00

A couple of battle tested bits of advice:

Find alternatives to meals, and go low frills. Then ask her to pay her half. If she bitches about paying, next.

Buy a cheap car on Craigslist for a couple thousand. It runs and that's about it. consider this your date car.

Dress well, but leave off the flashy stuff, like a Rolex.

How many docs do you know that have engaged in messy divorces? Ask them how it all got started, and they can tell you exactly how to spot a gold-digger.

GunsGermsAndSteel · 2016-06-28T12:22:38+00:00

I lift because I want to.

It's one of the few things in my life I get to do solely for myself. Lifting is the most selfish thing I do.

2016-06-28T15:37:24+00:00

wow so you patented your inventions in medical school? During your residency. That's impressive dude. As far as not being a meal ticket your only option would be to date your peers, which personally I would rather fuck gutter snipes than the empowered female "colleague." Couldn't envision a less pleasant experience than listening to some bitch droning on about egalitarianism and her respective accolades (all compliments of affirmative action). Seriously, female surgeons are the worst.

2016-06-28T15:38:04+00:00

I'm sure you can afford a beater car for dates. :)

But you probably dress well, so that's a giveaway. You can always say you shop eBay for the best deals and have a tailor friend.

Lifting and getting buff and having free time could let you experiment with playing a beach bum role and getting dates, only for them to discover your wealth later. You'll see how their attitudes change the moment they see your house.

CanadianRedMaple · 2016-06-28T04:21:17+00:00

If you already have kids, consider a vasectomy. You could be one womans ticket to an easy life if you get her pregnant. If not, always use protection. This is wealth that you've worked hard for and you need to protect it. As for lifting, like mostly everyone has said, start now. If you're wealthy enough consider a personal trainer or strength and conditioning coach, and possibly someone to plan your meals as well to help you cut some unwanted weight. You'll achieve goals quicker with help from professionals rather than trying to figure it all out for yourself. Don't forget, read the sidebar and then read it again. Welcome to TRP

Sepean · 2016-06-28T04:45:42+00:00

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throwawaysarenotok · 2016-06-28T07:00:54+00:00

Dooes someone as successful as yourself have any advice for future doctors? I'm a second year med student myself. Would love to know what I can do to maximize my success. It doesn't necessarily mean landing a neurosurgery residency, just ways I can ensure that I do the best I am capable of.

rockmasterflex · 2016-06-28T07:07:46+00:00

Spend some of that success on a good personal trainer to get u jacked. The only excuse you have for not being fit as fuck would be genetics. And u won't know till you try

ex_addict_bro · 2016-06-28T08:58:01+00:00

"Get serious" by your colleague Osborn :)

And kill your ego. And get rid of that throwaway.

randarrow · 2016-06-28T13:10:12+00:00

If I was in your situation, I would become an instructor in a few of your hobbies. Become a golf/pilot/tennis instructor, literally make women pay for your time. You won't make shit compared to what you are used to, but according to you you don't need money. And, making them pay for your time acts as a filter to get rid of women who are complete losers.

I seriously doubt you are who you say you are. Let's pretend for a second you are, lifting stands a chance at jacking up your back or hands (at least temporarily) which would affect your career so only do it lightly or not at all. Seems like neurosurgeon classes would have included workout instructions to keep your hands in good shape. Last thing you want is to have to skip patients because your hands are shaking after a bad workout.

GC0W30 · 2016-06-28T14:51:26+00:00

I am not fat just a bit larger.

Big/fat men's only real chance at doing RP until they get fit is to have UNBREAKABLE frame, and it has to be sincere. I saw an ex-plate get OWNED by a fat surgeon; he was foreign and from a very man-positive, man-controlled country. Iron fist, complete OI, and he kept her 100% owned until he summarily ejected her from his life when he got tired of the pussy in week 4.

She was paying her own way when they went out, and when they travelled.

Seriously, though, go on a cut for a month while lifting. Focus on getting visible bulging muscles after you're down 10-20 pounds, and you can do alpha game.

If possible, to weed out beta-abusers, tell women you never pay for dinner. Go for steak, mediterranean, whatever, but not fancy sushi. This helps me avoid non-fucking abusive women with eyes on my wallet.

Maybe instead of a new 7-series BMW, you get a loaded 5-year-old Taurus, Camry or even Mazda 5 to go on dates in. It'll be just as pleasant to drive as a Lexus or low-end Benz, and it'll help avoid some of the bad behavior.

Not sure how to hide the job, although you might make it sound like you're a struggling GP with big student loans instead of a specialist with patents.

On edit: The worst part of a beta-bucks classification in her eyes isn't even the gold-digging, it's that it makes them slow to fuck. The same woman that gives second-date pussy to a young guy with muscles and a reputed big Johnson at no later than the beginning of date 2 (starting out at a hotel she paid for) will hold out until date 6 for a "marriage material" guy.

hamsterbator · 2016-06-28T15:49:48+00:00

First off, congratulations on your career. I have just started my career as a Hospitalist (finished residency recently). I do well for myself, but not nearly as well as you. I will get there in the next few years! I too have a lot of women who see me as a potential meal ticket (especially nurses!).

In my opinion, when it comes to being rich, the key is to show but not tell. Don't spend a whole lot of money on her, but demonstrate to her that you are wealthy. You obviously have no problem showing that with your expensive cars, nice house etc.

It's okay to pay for drinks at a fancy restaurant but don't be a chump and buy her a bunch of presents and other expensive items. I wouldn't buy dinner unless you have at least had sex with her. You shouldn't be cheap but you shouldn't be perceived as buying her affection.

The frame you want to set is: "I am rich and successful, I have my shit together and I will have a great life with or without you. If you are good enough, you may be a part of it."

Make her qualify for the benefits of your wealth. The mistake that too many rich men is trying to buy a woman's affection with gifts (fancy meals, jewelry, vacation etc.). After a while, these things are simply expected and not appreciated.

Let her know about your expensive hobbies and the nice vacations you took. Show her pictures of the amazing things your wealth enables you to do. Let her swing by your really nice place, but don't let her stay unless she will have sex with you. You want to plant the idea in her brain that she could benefit from your generosity, but she must be worthy of it.

As for lifting, it absolutely boosts SMV. As a resident I got a decent amount of attention from nurses simply for having the letter MD after my name. After putting on about 20lbs of muscle, I noticed I started getting far more attention...more flirting, more finding reasons to talk to me etc. Married nurses try to set me up with their sisters and daughters now. This didn't happen nearly as often when I was skinny. Of course I never shit where I eat!

Congrats on finding TRP and happy hunting.

2016-06-28T15:56:34+00:00

Lifting will give significant results within a couple months while taking less than 4 hours a week. If you're wealthy, just get a squat rack and bar for your home. Not only will you not waste time going to and from the gym, but at your age recuperation begins to take more time. A recent study has shown that longer rest time during sets does not appear to have negative impact on strength training, so you can simply do something else between sets.

deprecated · 2016-06-28T16:20:46+00:00

In return, please do some kind of AMA on the business aspects of your wealth and how you became so.

r6_rider · 2016-06-28T16:27:47+00:00

Go to Equinox and get a personal trainer. You can afford it. Also, if you go to the one in west Hollywood some of the hottest women I've ever seen work out there.

hamsterbator · 2016-06-28T17:07:03+00:00

How has taking girls out to expensive dinners been working out for you?

A decent rule of thumb is that if they are making you wait several dates to get the lay you are being seen as a beta provider.

If you are getting those first night lays then whatever you are doing is enough game to get their panties moist to the extent that they can't maintain their anti-slut defense enough to play the good girl and lock you down as a provider.

Take the rockstar for example. Obviously have enough $$ to be a provider but their SMV and alpha cool status gets the panties dropping immediately.

Unless you have really tight game dinner dates are handicapping you. It is really hard to physically escalate unless you have the right table situation where you can continue to make physical contact. There is also so much added pressure to connect and have "chemistry" when you're staring at each other face to face waiting around for food and awkwardly eating. It is an uphill battle.

Lifting will also help tremendously. Congrats for finding TRP

ledbed · 2016-06-28T17:24:30+00:00

Thank god some doctors are waking up. Please make your friend doctors be RP too - especially the non surgeons! Dear god these guys make me sick.

EDIT: I should add you need to be tactful when discussing the RP publicly.

You NEVER have to buy a woman anything. Just re-frame as it being normal to go dutch or even for her to pay if she asks you out. You will feel a lot of pressure to pay, but if refuse in a nonchalant manner by re-framing she will likely accept it. If it is a deal breaker for her (will be very rare unless you used your money to attract her) you dodged a bullet - go buy yourself a beer to celebrate.

EDIT: Also do cheaper or at least more fun activity dates like hikes or food festivals.

You don't need to lift if your other activities keep you in great shape. Lifting might help you get more toned. A bit larger is a big deal to women dude. Get to 10% BF. That's more important than lifting if you're overweight. You sound like you're making excuses for yourself here so stop it.

2016-06-28T17:27:52+00:00

Lifting is key to making yourself the most optimal version of yourself. An hour of lifting 4 times a week will DRAMATICALLY increase your energy levels, your drive, your confidence, your physique, your stamina, bone density, mood, motor skills, metabolism... ext.

I can honestly say it is the single most important advice from red pill that has changed my life the most.

In regards to not coming off as a meal ticket, understand it is YOUR money and all the sexy toys and fancy dinners are for YOU. You earned it they have to earn the right to share those resources.

I would recommend cheap dates, Coffee, ice cream, whatever however you are in LA which is basically dating on hard mode, so I am not sure what the dating scene is like out there. Personally I would cut out gifts but spring for tickets and stuff to events. I dont have much help here for you besides "dont get married"

AZTRP · 2016-06-28T17:37:41+00:00

Protect your hands If you're still using them for surgery and decide to lift and/or take up a martial art then do what you can to protect your hands. Use chalk for lifting (lifter's chalk, liquid chalk) Use it liberally to fill the crevices in your hands to prevent calluses. Use sparring gloves for martial arts.

Mind if I paraphrase the other part of your question?

You want to know if you're still a man without your money and you're beginning to question the true quality of the women you attract

There are many successful men that have become detached from manhood throughout their journey to wealth. Many of them PAY large sums of money to attend 'camps' designed to satiate their desire to feel manly. They get to sweat a little, go a little hungry, get some dirt on them and go home with a story or two. They might have learned a lesson or two but it's fleeting.

Your money provides you easier access to finer looking women.

Your money also opens the door to hobbies most can't easily enjoy. All your hobbies require a chunk of money that the average American puts themselves into debt for.

Your money shields you from the rougher parts of life.

The Emperor's New Clothes

If you want to know how you measure up, cloak your success. Go to the used car lot and buy a used truck, nothing fancy, make sure it runs but it can look like shit ideally. Go to the Goodwill and buy some used clothes (or dig out some beat up clothes from your closet). Put on a shitty hat. Remove anything that shows wealth from you and then go out and try to make friends and pick up girls on a budget of $40 for the night. Don't tell your stories, don't refer to your hobbies, don't refer to your job/homes/cars. Just use your personality and humor. You will see how you measure up.

Additionally, take up some hobbies that don't require much money. You'll get exposure to people that you wouldn't otherwise associate with.

Offer

There's a private runway down the street from me here in Phoenix. Fly your happy ass out here, we'll go get you a truck, some clothes, go to a few places (country bars, etc), hang out with a rougher crowd and see how you feel. When you're not in the spotlight it's easier to see the social dynamics in places like these.

tridentmark · 2016-06-28T17:40:04+00:00

"successful neurosurgeon......"

Thread was beta-max from the first few words.

FRedington · 2016-06-28T18:14:43+00:00

Read the book:
Stanley, "The Millionaire Next Door"
You want to look like the people depicted therein.

I am also wealthy. After dealing with too many GoldDiggers, I tried to look middle class. I tried weeding out the GoldDiggers by going to Applebees instead of ... higher end places, driving an older car, not taking them home with me but going to their places. ... In time they figure it out and get mad. However, it does eliminate the blatant GoldDiggers most of the time. The technique is not perfect. Some will have researched you before ever going out with you.

I'm MGTOW now. The risk is just not worth the effort.

jobs33ker · 2016-06-28T22:33:43+00:00

Just don't get beta bucked. You're a prime candidate for that. Downplay your wealth and learn game.

fredgravy · 2016-06-29T22:49:41+00:00

Are you fucking kidding me??

Of course lift..

if you have all the shit bitches want so that you become a portly meal ticket..

Why not take that away from them?? Lose the portly.. and gain some abundance..

If you're portly.. she thinking she hit a jackpot.. if you're an Adonis she'll make damn sure she sucks your balls from below while you're busy shoving your dick in her BFF's ass..

neverbesmall · 2016-07-05T00:00:02+00:00

I think you want to lift because the way you want to be looked at by women is as an alpha, not a beta bux. You know there's a difference. In your case, assuming this isn't all bullshit, it's not about getting the women, it's about getting what you want from them.

So my question here is how to to avoid being seen as a meal ticket.

Well, see above.

Imagine trying to attract a woman without the clothes and the car to indicate your wealth. Imagine answering the question, "what do you do" with something like "male nurse" and then see if you can get their attention. Clearly you're talking about activating something else within them.

2016-06-28T08:07:02+00:00

LA area

Ut oh. Stay within your own race and stay away from liberals. Race can be an issue, and language can be an issue. Most women in LA are going to be liberals though, so you will need to deal with either "agreeing to disagree" or fully unplugging a woman away from feminist/liberaldom.

You need to get some goals together. Do you want to be a PUA and fuck 1000 girls? Or do you want to find one chick for an LTR and have children and do the whole "nuclear family" thing? There isn't too much middle ground, so it's important to know what your goals are. Protip: a lot of guys think they want to fuck 1000 girls but in reality they actually don't. My hypothesis for this is women tend to make you waste time & money AND they make you feel gay after a while. Men love women, but they really HATE feeling gay. I know dudes that would rather crossdress than be made to feel gay.

conceal my wealth

Definitely conceal your wealth if you're wealthy. Especially because you live in LA. Otherwise you'll just wind up with a gold digging whore. Make it look like you earn 30k a year. Show up with a budget of $60. $80 tops. The only time carrying a wad of money is useful is if you're around hookers and you want to fuck-n-chuck. Hookers love money.

the value of lifting

My opinion, it can be overrated. Depends on your body type though. Endomorph, mesomorph, or ectomorph? Mesomorphs can really accelerate with lifting. For endomorphs and ectomorphs, it's more about muscle toning.

I will admit I am a bit portly

More important than lifting is your diet. You will have to give up some of your favorite habits. And you will have to minimize your drinking. Best thing to do is commit yourself to buying your own groceries and making your own meals. Restaurants = Satan. They are your enemy. The more you control your diet, the more you control your shape, and the more you can melt the gut off. Diet and proper sleep are more important than exercise. Imho, most people love their favorite food so much they'd rather exercise twice as hard than give up their deadly habits. And I don't think exercising twice as hard is the answer... sad to say. You will have to make some sacrifices.

vorverk · 2016-06-28T14:49:53+00:00

how to to avoid being seen as a meal ticket

Ever heard the story of The Scorpion and the Frog?

The minute you think she doesn't see you as a meal ticket, you've lost. It's in their nature. It's what makes you attractive. Don't fight it. Enjoy it.