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How the fuck you make 150k a year? (self.askTRP)

submitted by AtLastBackToWar

Hello motherfuckers,

I see people keep saying they make 70k-150k-200k or some other huge shit at the age of 25 right and left on the red pill, looks like none of those motherfuckers work for regular manager wages let alone minimum wage. How the fuck you manage that, how the fuck you find jobs like they grow on high income trees? I'm studying mechanical engineering, my intership pays 15k a year and I highly doubt I could 5x that shit in 3 years and that shit is considered a high paying job. Whats your secret ladyboys?


[–][deleted] 63 points64 points  (34 children)

I am a computer engineer, so it may not translate. I broke 150 per year 9 years ago. I was 29. 2 years prior I was making half that, 3 years before that, half that again. It was difficult, but not hard, if you catch the difference.

1) Stop being an employee. Start consulting. No job is secure or permanent, so don't act like they are.

2) Create an LLC or Corporation. Stop "doing jobs", start "selling services." Get direct contracts with clients when you can, subcontract when you must.

3) Get industry recognized certifications or other ways to stand out from your peers.

4) Market your skills and accomplishments relentlessly. Never lie, but never be modest.

5) Always deliver or make it right. Integrity is gold when it comes to repeat business.

6) Whatever the full-time role salary is per year, divide by 1000. That's your target hourly rate. Never come down more than 20% from that.

7) Make some friends along the way. Offer references to those worthy, and try to get a few yourself.

8) Lastly, experience is king. Have a big project list of new, relevant stuff.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Whatever the full-time role salary is per year, divide by 100. That's your target hourly rate. Never come down more than 20% from that.

By 100? Lawyers don't charge that much per hour.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Good catch, my bad. By a thousand. Contract rate for a role that pays 100k per year salary can be expected to contract out for $100/hr. If you are subcontracting, the agencies take a cut. They will do everything they can to prevent you from knowing this cut, so you have to negotiate aggressively with them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Good rule of thumb, I figured that's what you meant!

[–]BlindNowhereMan 0 points1 point  (2 children)

it's wrong though... 100 an hour is =~200k. assuming you are billing 40 hours a week.

[–]zezozio 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That's the whole idea behind being freelance.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. More when you go past 40.

The tradeoff is no vacation or benefits. It works out in your favor in the end.

[–]ToSeeAndToHear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here we see the other way to make bank, be an attorney (with clients that pay).

[–]8bitmadness 4 points5 points  (12 children)

This so much. my god this. I'm in game design, but I also do some computer work on the side and I've been working on creating a method for helping to induce hypnotic or meditative states using VR for therapy. I'm still in the paperwork to start an LLC so I can license the technology I'm creating to others, as it also has far reaching implications, as part of it uses things like infrasound and stuff like that to be able to induce various emotional states, which could be absolutely amazing in the gaming industry, as it would help to tell stories even better.

[–]dadstartingover_com 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Pro tip: don't fucking talk about your idea. I don't care how much you think nobody could possibly run with it and do all the hard work you did, blah blah.. don't talk about it.

[–]8bitmadness 4 points5 points  (0 children)

protip accepted.

[–]DerDiud 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You shouldn't have revealed your idea. I am not going to steal it though.

[–]8bitmadness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

good point.

[–]Snxwe 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Do you have a website talking about your technology?

[–]8bitmadness 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Not yet. I'm gonna set one up soon though. I'll try to keep you posted.

[–]upvoteguy2 0 points1 point  (3 children)

no don't have a website people might steal your idea. /s

Seriously talk about your idea everywhere don't listen to these guys.

[–]8bitmadness 0 points1 point  (2 children)

wow, you really necroed this comment thread. Yeah I'm still working on getting a website up for it but that's because I'm a bit of a perfectionist. I'm also trying to set up a website that aggregates free educational stuff, like the classes that are from MIT that are online for free.

[–]upvoteguy2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

hey im a late comer to trp so im reading everything old and new

[–]8bitmadness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no problem.

[–]ArmedPotato 1 points1 points [recovered]

That sounds fascinating, tell us more?

[–]8bitmadness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kinda hard to explain further than what I said.

[–]assured_destruction 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Just remember that 150k freelance is way less than 150 salary. You have to subtract FICA, Healthcare, vacation, sick pay, holidays and if you're not working 40 hours a week...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely true. However, there is a price tag on benefits. You can easily work 9 months on contract for the same total package as a year on salary.

[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is good advice but doesn't apply to all fields (i.e public sector jobs). Op should consult young successful people in his field of interest and ask what a good path to higher incomes in that particular field is.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Someone in public sector shouldn't be wondering why they aren't making 150k. The answer, I think, is still the same - it's better to consult for government than work for it.

But agreed, answers will differ based on profession.

[–]CervicalDestruction 1 points1 points [recovered]

selling services.

what services?!? people say this shit all the time... atleast give hints for what I should be looking for.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Selling services as opposed to getting hired.

Services as a computer engineer. As an art designer. As a car mechanic. You just stop working as a "workshop mechanic" at somebody's workshop and start selling your services to your clients.

No longer

"I'll pay you $10 for an hour of your work at my workshop."

"Okay"

Now it's

"How much will it cost to get this and this job done?"

"It's standard $20 hourly wage for my services."

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's semantics. Every working person is already doing this.

Corporate America likes us to get all invested in the "team" and "take ownership." Recognize that it's all bullshit. The company will drop you like a hot potato the second someone cheaper or better comes along. You have to adopt the same attitude. It's just business.

Therefore, you adopt the mentality that you are selling services. It may be running this cash register from 8-5 for 8 bucks an hour, but that's a service. Your goal should be to improve the rate of compensation for your services. Is running a cash register the most lucrative use of your time? Probably not. What other service can you provide that makes more? Can you get paid more for doing the same service elsewhere? What training or education can you get that will open the door to other services you can provide, in this industry or another?

It's ultimately about ambition to get paid the most for your time. Some people see that as beneath them. I think those people are fools. We are all getting used by the wealthy. Take as much as you can from them.

[–]Carbone 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So someone not close to finishing his B.Sc can't offer service right ? Can't see how a microbiologist can sell his service :/ maybe a Biochemist but seem like the research domain doesn't have that much of leverage to sell his service to someone.

Maybe I'm in scarcity in regards to this. Can someone tell me how research field can make money I would appreciate it !

[–]NOCTheHustle 4 points5 points  (1 child)

A good first step is to think of how your skills apply to things in a Wal-Mart. Nothing is too tangential. Those items are where you start your search for freelance work. For example, in microbiology I would think looking at how it relates to the food industry, farming via soil microbes, probiotics, maybe pet care, and all the testing and upkeep related to them could yield fruitful results.

[–]Carbone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice way of seeing thing !

Thanks

[–]WeedDaddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't see how a microbiologist can sell his service

Yeah, doable mainly for programmers. And even for them at least 5 years spent in a large corporation is required to having credibility.

[–]poochman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Also a comp engineer, what do you do specifically? Software consulting? I'm interested in your specific career path.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I specialize in the Microsoft BI stack, focusing on delivering accurate, actionable information for executive direction of the company. I have a sysadmin background that gives me a pessimistic perspective, meaning I give special attention to performance and redundancy. I have certification and over 15 years of experience consulting for numerous Fortune 500 clients. I speak and write English well, translate business requirements into technical jargon and back again, and deliver on those requirements swiftly. My rates are competitive, often coming in under the projected budget requirements of my larger, more topheavy competitors.

That's my pitch, basically.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (9 children)

Keep in mind a few things.

1) Internet exaggeration or straight up lying. It happens (but it's irrelevant, more on that later).

2) Those who make a lot are more likely to talk about it, especially on TRP which frankly encourages a lot of bragging. That's just a consequence of the environment so get used to it.

3) There are 150,000 subscribers. Even the top 1% would be 1,500 guys. 1,500 guys making in the 150-200K range would seem like a lot when they're all offering that information on here.

That being said, the most important thing is to look at your surroundings and see how you measure up. What is your social circle like? What are the girls you meet like?

For instance, I'm in medical school. Once step scores come out people get a sense of who will be matching into what specialty. There's always a bit of buzz about the guys who will likely be surgical specialists making 400K+. Conversely, the likely family docs who will "only" be making 150K lose a bit of appeal, especially with those girls who are going into more lucrative specialties. Those family docs don't lose much appeal with the nurses though since they aren't constantly surrounded with peers making big six-figure salaries.

You don't need to compare yourself to other people, you need to simply be aware of how other people are stacking you up against others.

All that being said, want to make a huge salary? Here are the pathways

1) Finance

2) Profession (law or medicine, with the disclaimer that law school is likely a bad investment if you're not at the top 20 schools or so)

3) Petroleum engineering

4) Steady climb up the ladder in CS/computer engineering

5) Steady climb up the ladder in business management

6) Owning your own business

I'm sure there are others, but those are the more common routes to wealth. Owning your own business requires the least education but also involves the most risk. Professions require the biggest investment but involve the least risk.

[–]doctorlw 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Buzz about guys going into surgical specialties making $400,000 a year after 7 years of slavery and incurring massive debt? Working 100 hours a week for those 7 years? Not to mention attendings in some surgery fields like CT, neuro, ENT still have 10+ hour cases on the regular. What buzz is going to be generated by someone whose return on investment happens almost a decade down the road? I guess it just doesn't make much sense to me. Anyone who goes into medicine to get paid (in today's climate) is in for a huge disappointment.

In order to make money in medicine, that MD degree needs to be leveraged to get equity in a medical company or working over into the hospital admin side. While this can be done from any specialty, it's a hell of a lot easier to get the MBA you will need when you have time flexibility.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

making $400,000 a year after 7 years of slavery and incurring massive debt

First, the debt isn't massive typically. Most medical students getting help from mom and dad, and the ones who aren't are now getting increasing amounts of financial aid. All the top schools give out generous aid. Personally I've got a full scholarship, and anecdotally most people at my school are graduating with under $100K in debt.

Residency is a downside, but you can do ENT and ortho in 5 and plastics in 6. Anyone making huge amounts of money is going to put in a massive investment on the front end. If you start med school at 22, you can be an orthopedic surgery attending at 31. Show me a profession that gets you to that level much faster than that with the same reliability?

Not to mention attendings in some surgery fields like CT, neuro, ENT still have 10+ hour cases on the regular.

Look at the typical jobs for making tons of money. Petroleum engineers are often shipped off to drill sites for weeks at a time. Business owners put in 10+ hour days on the regular and risk their own money at the start. Finance guys work so hard they take cocaine to stay up longer. Lawyers, if they can get a real job in law, don't make that kind of money or put in those hours to make partner if they're lucky enough to even get in that position. Business guys need an MBA, and even then getting to the top is no guarantee.

Pretty much any high paying job requires 10+ hour days, and pretty much any high paying job requires you to put in your dues at first. Any of these professions will have you jumping through hoops until you're at least 30.

In order to make money in medicine, that MD degree needs to be leveraged to get equity in a medical company or working over into the hospital admin side

While I agree that getting equity in a medical company is the only way to get big money (payout in the tens of millions), the 40 year old neuro attending I interact with drives a Ferrari. The 35 year old drives an M3. These guys are making tons of money. The equity approach is nice, but honestly it's a massive headache. Most drugs and medical devices fail. The ones that do succeed give variable payouts depending on how it was financed. The founder of the company I worked for before I went to medical school was pushed out by investors and made almost no money when the company eventually sold for something like $50M. In fact, because of the way it was financed almost no one made any real money aside from the investors. It's also tough to get equity as an MD, especially if you work in an academic center where most of these companies exist. SAB members typically get paid in cash, and ethics clauses make it difficult to obtain equity.

Also, you don't need an MBA at all to get into those positions receiving equity. You need it for hospital admin, but you won't be making as much as the CT surgeon unless you really climb the ladder.

The bottom line is, there is definitely buzz around those guys, especially with the girls in medical school who know they're not seeing much of their SO for the next 4-6 years anyway. A lot of guys don't even figure out their career by their early 30's, nonetheless establish themselves in an industry with great job security making 300-400K. Yes there are girls who'd rather skip ahead and get the guy who's already paid his dues, but that just means that those guys will have their pick of hot 25 year olds once they put in the time.

[–]BeyondDedication 1 point2 points  (3 children)

This is such a well thought out comment.

I'd love to hear your advice on something. I'm 30, an actuary (ACAS), making $125K working sub 40 hours a week. But I hate it. I feel unaccomplished and it effects me in all aspects of my personal life. I need something more meaningful and interesting; medicine.

I plan on attending a post-bac program then going to med school. 5 years of school then 3-5 years of residency. I'll be 40 when I'm actually a doctor, and I'd have at least 250K debt instead of having a 500K surplus if I stayed my current course. However by 50-55 it won't matter as the difference in salary will bridge the gap.

Take on lots of debt, work longer more difficult hours, but actually feel purpose and have a title people respect and women flock to.

Any advice? Thanks!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

It's one thing to say you feel unfulfilled by your career, it's another to put in the work required in this profession. There will be times, many times when you'll be wondering why the fuck you left behind good money and relaxation for "fulfilling" work, so think this through carefully.

Not all doctors are actually fulfilled. It's not all saving lives and impressing cute nurses. It's sacrificing your social life and mental health. It's treating ungrateful patients and having to supply addicts with their fix on the off chance they're actually in pain. It's years of debt, and years of being yelled at by self-righteous pricks, many of whom will be younger than you. It's years of working 80+ hours/week and being told it's not enough or simply average. It's blindly diving into it not knowing if you'll be matching into neurosurgery or dermatology, or slugging it out in family medicine.

Not all women are actually attracted to doctors. They know the sacrifice and the hours, and many simply aren't willing to put up with it. I might call it a step above actuary in theory, but an in shape, attractive actuary is going to beat out a burnt out, flabby doctor any day. Hell, a tall, attractive bartender could outgame an out of shape doctor very easily.

You don't go into medicine for money and prestige, especially when you've got a steady six figure paycheck with a high ceiling. You go into medicine if you love medicine. If you want money and girls, be an in shape, well-dressed actuary and move up the food chain. If you want career fulfillment you need to find something you're passionate about.

I'm not saying it's the wrong option, but I am saying you need to want medicine because of what it is, and not because of what you'll get from it, because ultimately it will be your whole reality, not a 40 hour/week job like you have now.

The biggest difference between medicine and any other high paying profession you could jump into is that in medicine you start from the absolute bottom. You could jump into business or law and your age and actuary experience would mean something. In medicine, you'll be a peon until you're 40, on an equal plane with the 22 year olds who still don't know how to pay an electric bill.

Your career doesn't have to be what fulfills you. Before you do something stupid and throw away a very lucrative and promising career, ask yourself what it is you're really missing, and ask yourself if a career in medicine is really what will fill that void.

So what have you done, clinically, that shows you that you need to be a doctor? I'm asking now because you'll be asked it a hundred more times if you go through with this, and your answer will matter a lot.

[–]BeyondDedication 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I can't express how much I appreciate your input.

I'm someone who is not very social. I've never been able to maintain friendships, and I'm not close with my family. I've tried actuarial role after role, company after company and I always get back into the same rut. Some people get fulfillment from friends, hobbies, family. I do not. I love bodybuilding, but there's limits on how much time you can dedicate to it. I've always been a worker and an academic. For those reasons I feel a more demanding all encompassing career is my optimal path.

I'm about to start volunteering as an EMT. So on top of my 40 hour work week, I'll be putting in 18ish hours a week without pay. Just for excitement, experience, comradary with coworkers.

I'm fascinated by human biology, I study it independently on my own. Mostly for health fitness reasons, but the material is always interesting to me. Insurance is painful. I need to drag myself into the office, I need to force myself to study, and even then I'm not really dedicated to it. I see it as just a job. I need a CAREER.

My other options were police officer or personal trainer, I'd rather sacrifice money for happiness, because to me they are not the same. I feel medicine has a higher ceiling, and eventually the money will overtake any other path I chose, even actuarial.

$150K at 40 yo as an actuary, or $250+ as a doctor. Less then 10 years to bridge the debt gap, and then dramatically overtake future savings. Emergency medicine averages $275K starting based on recent polls. That would be my focus. Or one of the more academically difficult paths, such as cardiology. Not entirely sure I'm cut out for surgery, but I'd like to try.

It boils down to this. Would I be happier right now doing what I'm doing with 1M in the bank, or be in debt studying medicine. The decision is immediate to me, medicine.

I've been discussing this career change with some of my dates, they all agree. Rather date a doctor in debt then an actuary with $. But that's only a very small component of the decision.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay I'm breathing a sigh of relief here. Sometimes guys just try to jump ship without knowing what they're getting themselves into. Sounds like you know what you're doing. Definitely emphasize your EMT experience. I know plenty of people in medical school with similar experiences to your own. I think it actually strengthens your application that you're leaving a high paying profession (as opposed to the dancers, actors, and others who are obviously fleeing a failed dream), just obviously don't emphasize that on your application. It will look better if you leave it unsaid.

Good luck! If you need any advice feel free to send me a PM.

[–]princepieman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your list is quite accurate, here's mine: List of highest paying careers >$200k/year

In no particular order

Accessible grad careers

  1. High finance (IBD/S&T/PE/HF/VC/AM/Research)

  2. Corporate law (Partner track or be a high flying barrister)

  3. Medicine (GPs (family doctors) and specialists: anaesthesists, surgeons, OB/GYN etc)

  4. Accounting (Audit/Tax) at a big4/top 10 firm (Partner track)

  5. Executive management track (Director>VP>SVP>C-suite) of a business function (HR/R&D/Operations/Finance/Merchandising/Marketing/Sales etc..) at any large to mid-size company

  6. Product person (software engineer, product manager, designer, data scientists etc..) at a big brand name tech company (FB/Google etc)

  7. Consulting at a strat house (MBB/Oliver Wyamn/Strategy& etc) or big4 (partner track)

  8. Any type of high end sales (e.g. enterprise, luxury, headhunting, broking etc)

  9. Real Estate (RE IB/REITs/RE PE/Development)

  10. Dentistry (Orthodontics/Maxilofacial Surgery)

  11. Quant finance (prop trading, quant research strats, etc) at a hedge fund or prop/HFT trading firm or IB

  12. Actuary (partner track or exec track depending)

  13. Middle Office (Risk, Compliance etc) or Back Office (Operations, HR etc) at an IB

  14. Corporate Banking, Commercial Banking or Private Banking at a top shop

  15. Pilot for a major airline

  16. Oil and Gas/Mining (Geologist/Petroleum Engineer etc..)

Talent and heavily luck-based careers

  1. Entrepreneurship (any kind)

  2. High profile creative person (Film/TV/Theatre/Music/Modelling/Architecture/Design)

  3. High end sportsperson

  4. Internet personality (Blogger/Youtuber etc)

  5. High end nutritionists, personal fitness coaches, life coaches

  6. High end psychologists and therapists

  7. High end chefs and cooks

  8. Bartenders at high end venues

  9. Pro gamblers and poker players

  10. Pro gamers

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

especially with those girls who are going into more lucrative specialties.

That is the most tragic statement anyone could possibly make. Are you ever gobsmacked by how egregious it is that you share a learning environment with these affirmative action charity cases. It's unbelievable that our options as men are being diminished to humor a failed fucking social experiment.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The fuck does this even mean? Women get almost no affirmative action in medicine. If anything the demographic that has it roughest in medicine is Asian female and the one that has it easiest is black (gender doesn't really matter). Applicant rates are pretty much 50/50 and so is matriculation. Stats between them aren't different either.

I'm all about calling out women on their bullshit, but if we're not logical and informed in the way we form our opinions then we actually turn into the hate group everyone says we are. These girls are not charity cases. The truth is that they are smarter than 99% of the guys on this sub. If anything is a failed social experiment it's race-based affirmative action, but even then there is some merit if you can prove they are more likely to practice in underserved areas (still up in the air).

[–]CryptoManbeard 8 points9 points  (2 children)

There's a lot of ways to make $150K. I will tell you one surefire 100% way to make $150K a year that requires nothing more than an 8th grade education and $150 of starting capital (which you can recover in one day).

Go buy a lawnmower, walk it around a neighborhood. Knock on doors and say "I have my lawnmower right here, I'll cut your grass for $xx." (where $xx is a reasonable number for the size of yard). Do that all day.

Keep doing that until you have more business then you can do yourself. Then go buy another lawnmower and hire a guy to do it for half of what you charge. Keep doing that until you have more business then both of you can do. Rinse and repeat until you have a decent sized landscaping company.

Literally anyone can do this. It's one of the remaining few businesses that you can start with no regulations or licenses with almost no capital invested.

I used to do this for extra money and some days I would go out to cut one lawn and physically get stopped by neighbors to do more (7 was the most I got in one day without asking anyone for business). I had about 15-20 regulars by the end of that summer and I never even knocked on a door.

[–]Ivabighairy1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This

As the saying goes "The sky is not the limit. Your mind is.

[–]Balkinsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your dreaming. Let me see you go out in the sweltering heat index of over 100+ degrees everyday, and make 150k? Ain't happening. You book 45/hr, by the time gas and expenses come into play, you down to min wage (at best). Hire some illegals and maybe you can, but you'll be breaking the law and probably not happy mowing lawns.

[–]drqxx 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Learn how to sell yourself and follow a profitable passion.

Avoid lifestyle inflation.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Acturiarials, Lawyers, Accountants...to name a few. It's definitely possible if you go in the right fields, network the right people, etc.

[–]ToSeeAndToHear 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Helps to not sign up for wage slavery. First-year associate attorneys are getting reamed even at the most lucrative big law firms. Like in everything else, you want to be an owner.

The trick is learning how to drum up clients... this is what partners at big firms do, and IMO learning from them is the only reason to work for firms like that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah for sure, the law field is real hit or miss, it seems like unless you have great connections and graduted from a cream of the crop law school, you might as well not even bother unless youre super passionate about it. Acturarial science on the other hand is a bomb field to go in if you want 100 k pretty quickly into your career. Everyone I know that has done it had internships paying well over 40 k, and as soon as they passed the advanced tests (that the companies paid for), that was bumped up to 100-150 k pretty damn quick. The work doesn't even seem that hard if you're proficient at math either. Boring maybe, but whatever

[–]CanadianRedMaple 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I make about 120k a year being a master electrician in the Alberta oil fields, and I'm not even that high up. I know my general foreman makes up to around 250-300k. Management is always the goal.

[–]Littlesoldierboy 3 points4 points  (8 children)

I'm a manager at a large car dealership and I'll make ~$175 this year. I'm 23 and started as a salesman 4 years ago. I worked my ass off and it's completely paid off. Sales lets you write your own paycheck with only self imposed limits.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 1 point2 points  (6 children)

How many hours you put in a week? What days you have off?

[–]Littlesoldierboy 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I'm off every Sunday and one other day during the week which is flexible. I work an average of about 50 hours a week.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Five 10's isn't bad. You have it much better than the car dealers I know. Those guys work up to 60+ hours a week.

[–]Littlesoldierboy 0 points1 point  (3 children)

50 hours is an average week. End of the month is more like 60-70 hours.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm sure. But with your salary you have to expect that. I hope to God at your age you are trying hard to be debt free.

[–]Littlesoldierboy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'll pay off my last credit card with my washout check on the 10th. 👍🏻

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NICE!

Now hopefully you have a car that's paid off and are saving for a huge down payment on a house.

[–]Complecs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To support this I'm a new car salesman at a major manufacturer also at a major dealer, will pull between 130-150 this year. Car sales can be extremely rewarding if you commit to it. 25 years old

[–]bowie747 9 points10 points  (7 children)

By using proper grammar, for a start.

[–]SW9876 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Fucking fuck motherfucker

[–]bowie747 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Swearing's fine. By beef is:

  • How the fuck do you make 150k a year?

..and other such "sentences"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i'm trilingual without any real life experience, learnt it from books and professors and always had grammar problems on my essays. is my english painfully broken?

[–]SW9876 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, but the sum is greater than the parts.

[–]OneInAZillion 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Floyd Mayweather would disagree.

[–]EtchyTWA 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Not on reddit he wouldn't.

[–]JourneymanTRP 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Maybe on twitter while getting a tag teamed blowjob from 2 high priced whores and cleaning up the mess with 100 dollar bills.

[–]whatwhatinthebutt19 2 points3 points  (15 children)

Sales for me. When I was 26 years old back in 1998 I sold computers and made $80,000 and won a sales contest which was a trip to Hawai . This happened back when the Y2K crisis was happening and everyone had to buy/upgrade their computers or face Armageddon. Today at 44 I sell cars and make similar $. There are opportunities out there if you know how to sell.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 2 points3 points  (4 children)

You make the same money now as you did 18 years ago?

[–]whatwhatinthebutt19 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I make less. But I live in a small town and my commute is 4 minutes. I can walk to work.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Did you live in the same place in 1998?

[–]whatwhatinthebutt19 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No I lived in Toronto. Very expensive place to live. I live in a town of under 20,000 now.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see. Prob much cheaper now.

[–]bonerfleximus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Being good at sales is probably the best way for anyone to make good money with relatively little education. It will also make you good at game. Problem is, it takes a certain kind of character to be good at it or have the spine for it and most people don't have what it takes to be successful in general

[–]whatwhatinthebutt19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure why you were down voted. Sounds about right from my experience.

[–]8bitmadness 0 points1 point  (4 children)

There are so many helpful psychological tricks that improve your ability to sell that could also be applied to redpill philosophy.

[–]MotiMorphosys 0 points1 point  (3 children)

This. Sales taught me that success with women, or in any area in life, is a learned skill that can be perfected with time, focus, and repetition. I'm only at the 80k marker myself, but with more time, focus, and repetition, I should be over 500k within 5 years. I've seen it done in my industry and I have developed a clear cut MAP to get myself there.

[–]xibrp 0 points1 point  (2 children)

can you guys give us some examples?

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

People hate to be sold, but they love to buy. Don't sell them, help them buy.

When buying a car, the person buying wants to hear all about how the car will benefit them. A mom with kids doesn't care about horsepower and 0-60 time, she cares about safety and carrying the playpen. A single dude in his 20s cares about how the car will make him look to the ladies and to his friends. An older businessman will want to hear about how the car will impress his clients when he pulls up.

Going over a list of benefits may hit some of these points, but you have to work at identifying the points the customer cares about. Sometimes it is obvious, sometimes it is not so obvious, so you have to ask questions.

[–]MotiMorphosys 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not sure what you're looking for here but generally when presenting a product most salespeople sound like they're going over a canned presentation of features and benefits and hoping the customer becomes interested. They don't have the confidence to tell the customer they need the product. Similarly most betas use a few lines and show off their money or job and hope the woman is impressed e ought to want to Fuck them, but they don't believe they're worthy of her pussy.

Conversly a top sales rep will typically be unashamed of his interest in the customer and get to know them. He will then figure out what problem it is the customer needs to solve and custom tailor his presentation to fit the customer. When asking for the close the salesperson is 1000% convinced the customer needs the product. The customer then can't help but agree and purchase. A lifelong loyalty follows. The alpha who understands and has internalized red pill theory will approach the most attractive woman unashamed of the fact he is interested in fucking her. He will get to know her and what she finds attractive and adjust his actions to emphasize those characteristics (ex. If she has tattoos he might emphasize his rebellious wild side, if she's into the beach he might talk about he he can surf, etc) to make himself the solution to her boredom/loneliness. When he gets her alone, he is 1000% convinced he is worthy of her pussy and that just gives her more tingles, usually enough to push through LMR and make her want to keep coming back for more dick time and time again. Hope that helps. If you haven't read all the sidebar, it's gold.

[–]Balkinsman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

  • What kinda cars are you selling (new/used) ?
  • How many do you move a mth?
  • What brand ? ..thanks!

[–]whatwhatinthebutt19 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Mazda, new and used. 8 in a slow month 14 in a busy one.

[–]Balkinsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks Man. Any particular reason you sell "Mazada?" What's their best selling vehicle right now? Thank you !

[–]JG60 2 points3 points  (4 children)

As someone else mentioned, this may be selection bias. The people making a lot of money tend to talk about their income more.

I only make about 80k at 30. I moved to CA from TN to accept this position. I can tell you right now that making 65k in TN was much more money than 80k in CA. I would need to make about 120k here to match my standard of living in TN. A lot of these guys making 100k + fall into one of three catagories.

They work a lot of hours (Lawyers & Finance)

They live some place expensive (CS living in bay area)

They live some place that sucks (Alberta oil fields, military contractors in Afghanistan)

It's really only meaningful to compare salaries if you also compare hours worked, job stress and cost of living.

That Finance guy that makes twice as much as me is working 90 hours a week while I'm working 40 and spending half of that on reddit; whose really making more?

One piece of advice. When asking for a raise, don't ask for one when you deserve one. Ask for a raise at times and opportunities where you are indispensable. For example when several co-workers have just left or 75% of the way through a project when deliverables are due shortly.

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[–]squirrel_casserole 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I work at the northern oilsand facility inspecting piping and equipment getting paid 90k gross as a junior technician.

Eventually with tickets and expertise i could get more, but to me a higher hourly rate and the mercenary aspect of the job just means that i can work an increasingly smaller amount per year for say, 50k.

Then spend free time enjoying life rather than grind thru 90hr weeks, only to get into a higher tax bracket. This job will never have prestige, but 3 months of pipelining as a senior tech at 20k/month set you up for a comfortable year if you are a minimalist.

[–]lottsm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How do I get involved with this? I'm in my 40s, and have been unemployed for many months due to the Affordable Care Act. I've never been successful in life.

I've applied for many jobs, but haven't gotten anything, and unemployment insurance payments are about to end. I always hear about jobs like this, but never about how to actually get one. I have some health problems, but will be applying for minimum-wage jobs soon; I have a family to support.

I do have an advanced degree, but it's worthless. I'm currently an MBA student, but haven't been able to get an internship either, probably due to my age. I would appreciate any advice that you would give me.

[–]Balkinsman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • Help this guy out...anyone?

[–]princepieman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good post, touches on the realities of different highly paid jobs. It's certainly a trade off between time and money.

[–]kabylewolf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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[–]trpthroway123 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Sales.

As a teenager in high school, I was taking home about a grand a week between salary and commission. It just came naturally to me.

As you get more experience and references, you just change to the next industry.

Real estate? Not hard to make $5,000-20,000 on a single sale. If you can pull off a sale per month, you can make some pretty good money. Pull off a sale every week, and you can push 7 figures.

Financial planning or large-scale insurance? I've seen guys make 6-figure incomes off a single large client. Best part is, commissions on renewal means that your income grows as your book does.

If you're going to be another office drone with a degree, expect to get paid like one...

[–]perdill 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Sales cures all.

That being said, nobody does a deal a week in real estate unless they have a great source of leads. If you're paying to play with trulia/zillow, you'd better be a good closer or you'll go broke.

[–]trpthroway123 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The guys pulling a sale a week are the top of the game, no debate there. Your "burger flipper" type of person will never be able to do it.

Point is, it's possible, and lucrative. In my area, closings boomed this year. Was just speaking to a broker going to 3 closings this week, about to make ~$20k in commissions.

One of my clients specializes in high-end houses. She closed one last month for a $50k commission. She gets 3-4 sales per year and lives pretty comfortably.

[–]perdill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For sure it's possible, a couple weeks ago a friend of mine closed 5 deals back to back. 5 deals in 5 days, over 70K in commision, it's unreal.

The hard part is the beginning when you have no leads, no clue, and no idea where to start. But if you can make it through that, sales gets easy - then it's just a matter of how quickly can you scale up.

Point is, there's opportunity fucking EVERYWHERE. I have to force myself to stay on track and see projects through to completion because there's just so much money around if you know where to look and how to attract it.

[–]HelloImRIGHT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, not doubting some of them do make that. I'm guessing the majority of them make less than they say they do though.

[–]PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't get the focus some TRP'ers put on money

[–]SarsaparillaCorona 1 point2 points  (3 children)

People also say get swole, wear suits, get a tan and fuck whores, but that isn't how it always goes.

That advice is typically for people in line to get into event based income, so you'd do a job and get X amount and then do another job and get Y amount.

With your Mech engineering studies, you wanna be constantly looking for higher paying areas that also improve your skill set and employability, avoid promotions unless they're more than 2-3 steps above what you're currently doing, and always be looking for lateral movement if you can see a tangible benefit to your present or future earnings potential.

Another thing to consider is that those people have money behind them, they have daddy's connections or they got lucky, if you aren't that, it'll be pure hard work and dedication to get to that point, and your motivation shouldn't be based in money or women, it should be getting closer to retirement and starting your own business.

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[–]SarsaparillaCorona 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Don't avoid promotions, I mean if you're given one cool, but don't chase them over other job opportunities, it's always better to move laterally with more vertical movement than it is to purely move vertically, think of it like zig zagging up a mountain instead of going straight up.

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[–]lottsm 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I'm in my 40s and unemployed. Making $30k per year is a dream for me. At this point, I just hope to die before things get much worse. Most people never become successful. Life sucks, then you die.

[–]Diirtyvato 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Fuck that man, you still have time. I'm not saying 100k is realistic but you should strive for it, as far as 30k a year goes.....you can go down and get you a business license some lawn equipment and grind brotha. Easily surpass that if you're hungry enough.

[–]lottsm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have a disease that keeps me weak, and just had an accident that will put me out of commission for the next few months. Maybe something will work out for me eventually, though. Thank you for the encouragement; I appreciate it.

[–]Look_Ma_Im_On_Reddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that semi colon gave me an erection

[–]machimus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At age 65 Harland Sanders was a failure at life and on welfare. At age 88 he was a billionaire who owned a huge empire. It's entirely possible, but a bad attitude will not help.

[–]bonerdude420 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm also an engineer, making money in that range since early-mid 20s. The advice I'll give is get into a permanent role even if it is low paid or hard work, then start applying for jobs you're 70%-80% qualified/ready to do. You will land one eventually if you are persistent, and within 6-12 months of doing the job, you get to a point where you feel you belong there. Once you're comfortable in the position, look for the next role you are nearly ready for.

The good news is you don't work harder the higher you get. You get paid for the responsibility you take on. My career has progressively become higher stressed but lower workload positions

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This. Every promotion I've got that was worth anything is by pursuing positions above what I was comfortable doing. I applied for and asked for promotions for positions I didn't know how to do (although never told them I didn't know how to it it). Even if you have experience, you nearly always get trained when accepting a new position. As long as you can be mentally sharp and quick to learn, with a solid outward confidence, you can climb the latter in almost any field.

[–]GC0W30 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Your internship pays $15K a year and is considered high paying?

WTF are you, Indonesia?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Not my internship, mechanical engineering in general is a high paying job according to overall medians of various professions.

[–]BowlOfCandy 2 points3 points  (3 children)

As a mechanical engineer, I disagree. It's not as ludicrous as you'd think. I'm doing fairly well myself, my advice to you is try not to get pigeonholed into a design role. Take a new job every 1-3 years if you want to grow your salary. Your first job will be low paying because you are useless. Here's how I progressed with salary:

Entry level: 56k

New job after 7 months: $65k

1 year later: 80k

1 year later: 87.5k

New job 1 year later: 110k + 15k bonus

So I'm 28 making 125k. You can do it, stay hungry, get your PE, apply to roles that scare you (sales, etc).

[–]causeandcorrelation 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I mechanical eng as well. On slightly less. May I ask what you do?

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[–]Swelfie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should make an order of magnitude more than interning once you have a real job. Internships pay for shit. Some are unpaid. As someone who has had many interns personally, it's for good reason. It costs me more to have an intern than the work I get out of an intern generally. I'm mentoring, guiding, teaching... I love my interns, but it's not easy having them and the work they are doing is generally the "fun but not important work everyone else would love to be doing but we have real work to do." So it's cool work, but not all that valuable.

[–]nikorette 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Construction 110k

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Details are overwhelming... how?

[–]nikorette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Licensed carpenter by 21 Licensed builder by 23

Currently second in charge of a 13 story apartment block that's costing $42m to build

[–]1kick6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ME is high paying for all jobs, but low paying for engineering. I know several petroleum engineers that walked out of undergrad at $90k, and most geologists walk out of grad school at $80k.

Investment banking analysts can do $100k, and could see a bonus that size too, but that's working 90 hour weeks.

Me personally, I was ~30 before I cracked 6 figs. I started out of undergrad at $45k.

[–]BusterVadge 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I'm a software developer and I freelance as well as work a regular job. My regular job pays 80k per year, and I only work 40 hours a week at it. I charge 100/hr for my freelance work and this bumps me up to 110k/yr.

I also have 2 websites that I sell things and make commissions off of that net me an extra 20k/yr. I hope to have 3 more of these by this time next year.

So yeah, 150k is easily doable, I make 130k/yr without breaking a sweat of any kind and have all sorts of free time on my hands. My plan is to stop working the 40hr/week job in the next 3 years and focus on freelance and side businesses.

[–]Clapboom 0 points1 point  (4 children)

What kind of stuff do you sell and how'd you start/get interested in that?

[–]BusterVadge -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I do affiliate marketing. Find things you love to write about, create great content, get search engine traffic to your pages, and sell stuff. I know people who are making 200k/yr working 4 hours a day. I'm nowhere near close to that, but it's doable.

A good place to start is black hat world. The forums there are full of the best free information that you can find. Good luck!

[–]perdill 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You make it seem like SEO is so easy lol. Realistically, without some kind of internet background or insane knowledge of a product/niche, it will take the average person years to get enough of a grasp and enough trial and error under their belt to compete in SEO in profitable niches.

Get your Real Estate license. Network, do deals in your spare time or on weekends through family and friends.

[–]BusterVadge 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's not easy but it's learnable in a few months working a couple of hours a night. It's low-risk as well.

[–]perdill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah you can learn the basics like that, but you'll never rank for competitive affiliate terms in the health niche for example without dedicating years of practice to it. It's an easy way to make an extra $500 a week with some effort though.

[–]ConcealingFate 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I make 45K a year and considered that decent where I live. As in, you can live off that if you don't go too crazy with spending.

This is for Québec though so YMMV.

[–]ToSeeAndToHear 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yes, but "can live off that" is treading water. You need to be building something if you ever want to do more than that.

[–]ConcealingFate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As in you won't get to ''go big'' with 45K CAD a year but you can definitely live comfortably if you keep your finances in check and not paycheck to paycheck. While some people aspire to make more and that is completely understandable, you don't need to make 100K a year just to survive.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get out of the employee mindset and into the mindset of doing business for yourself. A good read for an "aha" moment that isn't a crock of shit feelgood bs book is Work the System. It also has unintentional red pill all through it in a lot of places.

[–]anon1moos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go to a good business school for undergrad, study finance.

This isn't my route, I make beans, but a former plate did this and had plenty of friends from that sort of world.

[–]Complecs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Car sales. A good dealership with a lot of traffic and a great payplan and you can make ridiculous money. I'll make anywhere from 130-150 this year and I just sell. Desk managers pull 200+ and if you are worth a shit, that's just the beginning of your career. General managers pull 500+ around here.

Then again there are guys at my store who only make 3k a month and can't figure it out. Car sales isn't for everyone and the hours are terrible if you value your home life. I'm talk normal week 70+.

[–]felipebarroz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm studying to become a Judge here in Brazil.

They earn about 460-500k BRL per year. In dollars that about 130-140k per year.

But that's nominal dollars. If you think in Purchase Parity Power, those 130-140k turns into 180k yearly.

So that's a way to earn big bucks.

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[–]sergeantbbbbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I left school at 16 and went into finance. In the UK you can do an apprenticeship that let's you become chartered without university. It took 7 years to get fully qualified, and I was working at a small firm for that time earning next to nothing (13 k a year + study support). I then moved over into finance systems as was always interested in computers.

I'm 29 now and I've just set up my limited Co and start freelancing next week, I've managed to secure a £350 day rate on a six month contract. I love to travel so in the past I've typically taken a job for a year then leave to travel for 6 months.

Work hard, always give your best, but (and this is by far the most important) always keep a positive attitude. So many people hate their job, and it shows. If you can be the one turning up every day with a smile on your face it'll make you stand out miles away.

Also, don't be afraid to leave! If you feel like you're underpaid and have the skills to earn more elsewhere - go. You'd be surprised how many times I've been offered salary increases that they "didn't have the money for" before as soon as I've said I'm leaving.

[–]EssexMum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm early 40s and make £97K/year base before commission (at today's exchange rates roughly $130K). I have had to build my expertise as a global industry leader and it's taken years to do that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Own businesses, I work but its relationship management with clients - the social game. Pays a lot more than 150 too

[–]illicitwit 1 points1 points [recovered]

Balancing multiple businesses with a SOF career. If you don't mind my asking, how the hell do you do that?

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Learned from some pretty cool guys, if you pick the right vendors, services & intermediaries to stitch together into a business model you won't be doing much yourself. The right buyer & a combination of vendors / processors / services to satisfy them is all you need. All I do is log in remotely, make sure things are going smoothly, (mostly check emails and production schedules / shipping) and purge/refund the customer & still deliver if they aren't (because I don't give a shit about the money, just that my network is delivering what it promised). This lets me charge more based on rep, quality and reliability which in the end is an infinitely better business model to than the "competitive pricing" bullshit.

[–]Nymdox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sell things or own things. Preferably both. Preferably companies. Then you don't talk about salary, you talk about profit.

[–]brngamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I seen start 'consulting' on the side everywhere. What do you mean exactly - do what you're employed to do but as a business owner and not an employee?

How does your career as a consultant vary from the career you previously had?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated because I'm eager to branch out on my own in the very near future.

[–]JonMan219 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sales is horrible.

It's not for the faint at heart, if you're not good at selling you're fucked, and most people don't have anything to sell.

I did the whole cooking knife thing where they pay you commission for selling cooking knives door to door. Ever since then I never looked at sales the same again.

You're either born with it or not. Not everyone can start their own business.

[–]8bitmadness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Within my field, experience is key. Starting off you might make $50K a year or so, usually less (if solo and starting out it can be as low as $10K a year) but from my peers who graduated a couple years before me, they're already making $90K+ a year. Then again it's game design that's my field, and work can be INCREDIBLY stressful, so it's obvious that once you gain some seniority the wages you earn go up tremendously.

[–]Rogers_johnson 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What currency are we taking here?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Chocolate chips

[–]Rogers_johnson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not a stupid question. Someone here bragging to earn $70k not quite the right advice for someone wanting to earn £100k

[–]boscoist 0 points0 points [recovered]

dude, you should hit 70k fresh out of college. 100k after ~5 years or 2 job hops. 150-200.. 15-20 years depending if you go the management or technical fellow path.

EDIT: AS AN ENGINEER.

[–]SigLambdaIota -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is all about the field you went to. I am a Software Developer. I am 24 and only have 2 years of relevant experience. I got my first job out of college 2 years ago, which was $45,000 (plus company agreeing to sponsor for my work visa and green-card). I did have above average GPA since I spent more time in labs and studying than partying (still partied with my frat tho). A year later and now I negotiated a $80,000 contract with same employee (could've gotten more but my recruiting company fucked me over). However during those 2 years i showed myself into high valued projects and slowly became the lead (despite my lack of experience and young age). I accomplished all that by being social with everyone including my boss and people higher up the chain. It is supper easy to stand out in an engineering field since most people are nerds and shy. Within a year I am planning on breaking 6 figures and after i get my green-card (within a year max) I will go into consulting where making $150-250 is very common.