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Does the red pill attract shitty women? (self.askTRP)

submitted by 3rdParty2012

The redpill strategy, as I see it, has a flaw. We are improving ourselves, which is great, but then we use our increased SMV to spin plates. We then evaluate these plates for LTR material.

The type of women who would stay with a guy and give up the pussy in hopes of locking him down in commitment, is the same women who will branch swing, and get impulsive around a chad.

Conversely a women who will recognize your value, and allow you to court her, while saving sex for a relationship. Is the same type of women who will have a low N count, and is less likely to branch swing.

I believe that a plate who fucks you before you commit, is never good LTR material.

We should spin plates, as the abundance mentality is crucial for staying on a powerful footing when courting high class women. But to upgrade a plate to an LTR, is like making a house wife out of a hoe.

Opinions?


[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 47 points48 points  (14 children)

RP strategy works towards building LTR's as well, not sure why you feel it doesn't. You merely adapt a few elements.

You aren't wrong about girls who put out instantly often being poor relationship prospects. If you're strongly considering one, then you need to ease up on the expectation that she'll put out on the first night.

That said, there's no particular reason you should approach any woman with the intent to LTR her. Let her prove that to you.

[–]SW9876 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I agree, except i'd argue any girl would put out for the right man. That great LTR prospect for whore herself out for Brad Pitt

[–]tag2man 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Agree, again it reinforces the issue that you need to be aware of what value you have and the frame that you hold with women/others

But where does that really define the pace? If you're at a stage of wanting and ltr or similar, you would have to consider promiscuity within reasonable means relative to green flags for the average girl. Caveat, what are the allowable red flags if you chose to do this?

[–]Auphor_Phaksache 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those of us like myself who are in LTRs only have to apply everything to one person. For people spinning plates there are so many more questions that need to be asked so on the surface it seems that the entire community is spinning plates. In reality there are people who are married, dating and spinning. Spinning is more work but low risk high reward. LTR being low reward high risk but is the lazy mans way.

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (7 children)

If you're strongly considering one, then you need to ease up on the expectation that she'll put out on the first night.

How does altering my expectation reveal the true behavior of a potential LTR? Isn't this just going to result in me holding off on pushing for sex and her having greater opportunity to hide her sluttyness?

[–]plenty_of_eesh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the idea is that you still push for it exactly the same. Having "different expectations" is more about how you react after the fact...

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You take a holistic overview of her characteristics. You look for other tells that she's just a recovering slut. Very few women have the capacity to hide all of their tells.

There are some good posts on here about red flags, I'd suggest looking into them.

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I've read a few posts on here about red flags, but they seem to be disproportionately rare. I'd love to see more.

I still think adjusting your expectations is risky because it will affect your own behavior on the date which will give the woman an easier time to throw up a "good girl" act.

Obviously one should adjust their expectations after the woman has been fully vetted, but that isn't going to happen on the first date.

[–]ItsTheHomeWrecker 0 points1 point  (3 children)

deleted What is this?

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thanks for the links. I suspect I've read them already but I'll take a look.

I still wish there was more. 3 red flag articles is not the same as a comprehensive program for how to find good women, especially compared to the hundreds of articles on sluts.

[–]IVIaskerade -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

not sure why you feel it doesn't.

Because /u/3rdParty2012 is still stuck in the mindset that "quality" women A) Exist and B) are not attracted to RP men.

[–]brooklynisburnin 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I believe that a plate who fucks you before you commit, is never good LTR material.

I agree, but wouldn't say before you commit, to me commitment is exclusivity and even for a potential LTR that's ridiculous. I would say any woman who fucks you before day 3 is red flagged for LTRs.

After all the first time should be a middleground for both, she should give sex relatively soon, while we should provide a certain level of comfort that, while does not guarantee commitment, shows willingness, AKA the infamous "getting to know each other".

That's why always escalate is a good principle to live by as well, it's really amazing the amount of women that are willing to open their legs on day 1 if you push enough, that's either a consequence of your SMV being way higher than hers, or a huge red flag.

Either way it's a no lose situation, if she stops you from escalating then red flag #1 is out, and if not, well you get laid. And no woman is going to ghost you for escalating, if she does it's because you didn't achieve attraction and interest.

[–]SuperSlavisWife 9 points10 points  (0 children)

no woman is going to ghost you for escalating, if she does it's because you didn't achieve attraction and interest.

A lot of guys seem to miss this. I was a complete virgin and wanted to wait it out a lot because reasons. So Jon lightly and constantly tested the waters and escalated as each step became available. He literally guided me through every first. This took months, I was that guarded. But I didn't resent him for wanting me. I still wanted to be around him, even after something made me nervous. If anything, he was a source of comfort when I wasn't sure. He knew this and he still got there eventually.

LTR-minded men seem to think they will "scare the good girl". And they might, a little bit. But if we're attracted, or at least intrigued, and you don't give us cause to think you'll hurt us, then we're not going anywhere. Inexperience or modesty doesn't mean a woman will confuse every advance for rape, contrary to feminist propaganda. :p

[–]edwardhwhite 22 points23 points  (12 children)

Getting hot does. I've noticed that as my SMV got higher and higher, cheaters (super hot ones) would flock to me. Girls not in a relationship were hard to game but cheaters would be throwing themselves at me. A lot more situations where women would be all over me and I would get the number and nothing. My RP mentor explained it to me--they wanted Mr. Right Now and I was trying to plate them.

[–]IIlllIllIIIllIl 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Woah dog, you've got a mentor on here?

[–]edwardhwhite 3 points4 points  (1 child)

He's not on here. But he's read and lived it all.

[–]IIlllIllIIIllIl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good for you.

[–]Solitary_Wolf 1 points1 points [recovered]

i've got one too.

[–]IIlllIllIIIllIl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Solid.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's because women have two type of men they are looking for. Lover and provider. The ones in a relationship already have the provider, but they want a lover for their genes. You are the lover. They don't consider pure lovers good long term relationship material.

Alpha traits like muscles signals good genes but less likelihood of you staying faithful to her. AF/BB means just that. The alpha don't buck or provide. Girls not in relationship need a provider before she can safely have children

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (4 children)

What age are you, it sounds like you are trying to game women that are too old, closer to the wall. Aim for 18-22, if you're heavy AF and only a little bit of beta comfort, you'll do better with that age range. I'm 34 and I dismiss any woman older than 27. It's just not even worth the effort. YMMV. If you're younger, say 20, maybe even aim lower, like 16, depending on the laws in your area. The closer you are in age to a woman, the more she is looking for a "life partner soulmate"

I've been called a fuckboi more than once. That's fine, I'm not looking to turn a CC rider with years of experience into a housewife.

[–]edwardhwhite 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I am forty fucking eight. Age doesn't matter some are very young.

[–]antariusz 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yea, it totally does matter. If you're trying to plate women 28-34, you're going to have a hard time. You'd be better off going both younger and older for plates.

Women that are crashing into the wall are pretty much the worst as far as plate material goes.

[–]edwardhwhite 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I see what you are getting at. Will have to look at that.

[–]antariusz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here is a classic guide from 6 years ago, still very relevant.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/the-difficulty-of-gaming-women-by-age-bracket/

Rollo's 2nd book also covers a lot of similar territory in more detail.

[–]introvertp 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Recently acquired a new plate; she's doesn't go clubbing at all, she very pretty, hardly wears make up, very smart (is actually a chemist for a brewery) and overall totally LTR material. I actually have a LTR-CRUSH on her!

What's the catch? She's has a "boyfriend" new guy she's dating.

The reason I brought this up is guys will assume that if you played a slow game and waited 3 dates or 3 months for intimacy it means the girl is worth it. A girl will give the appearance of who she thinks you want her to be. Just because she isn't fucking you and you're dating doesn't mean she's not fucking.

[–]antariusz 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Don't forget that all the positive attributes you're applying to her, are also because that's what she wants you to think of her. She wants you to think she views you as a confident, so that you trust her. Because she "tells you everything" like about that loser boyfriend who she made wait for sex. She wants you to think you're better, because she didn't make you wait for sex, because she thinks that you think it's important.

Except that she does the same thing to him, about you.

Even being an AF is still advancing a feminine sexual strategy. Even if it also advances yours. She can just tell that making you feel like the "winner" of the feminine selecting process wins her a place in your heart.

[–]introvertp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Always games being played.

[–]FrameWalker 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Treat all women as plates becausr 90% are plates only. If a girl is LTR worthy she'll prpve it to you over and over and ask for your commitment eventually. Women know a high value guy will ghost if they demand commitment too soon.

You should also know that LTR worthy women won't put out on date 1 but they also won't make you wait until date 9. Therd are no virgins past 21 barring women who are likely unstable.

[–]antariusz -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Or you find out she is LTR material when she finds you in bed with another woman, forgives you, and continues trying to win your favor by cooking, cleaning, and leaving you love notes even though she knows you're not exclusive to her. There is a large smv imbalance between you, and that works for me. That is a girl I can keep around for a ltr.

[–]FrameWalker 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Funny how we're taught to not flirt or be with other girls yet there is no exhibit of submission lust and need more lush and passionate than that of a woman who feels and sees the competition

[–]mbillion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You aren't dating in 2016 at all if you think adults are committing to each other without a proper fuck first

[–]hamstercide 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree, the people here are retarded. "Hurr don't marry, hurr just bang them sloots, spin more plates". What kind of a respectable woman would tolerate you fucking someone else while she's aware of it? How can you raise kids with such a lifestyle? Sorry but you're all retards, enjoy not reproducing.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I believe that a plate who fucks you before you commit, is never good LTR material.

Then you still have a great deal yet to learn.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, yeah.

Sex on the table has been devalued enough to be a meaningless litmus test. Iron rule, anyone who makes you wait 100% isn't worth the wait.

No one said it was all roses for chicks either.

[–]play_time_is_over 4 points5 points  (1 child)

In my experience the types of women I attracted when I was RP where:

  • arrogant
  • addicted to drama
  • narccistic
  • dsyfunctional

Now that I look back at it I realise these women where simply refelcting my RP behaviour of being:

  • Arrogant (maintain frame, i am the prize)
  • always creating drama (never bore her)
  • narccistic (I am the prize)
  • dysfunctional (I use an internet forum for dating advice).

My current plate I got without RP theory. A bit about her:

  • stable job
  • owns a house
  • works out everyday
  • good relationship with parents
  • people pleaser

She is 100% drama free to the point of almost being boring. I text her once a week to come over and fuck.

Yes my none RP style scares away some of the girls, but I assume they where crazy anyway, only seem to attract the plain janes which im 110% okay with.

[–]RobertCarraway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In my experience the types of women I attracted when I was RP

If you can just stop being RP, then you're not RP. One does not simply doff it like a hat. You're talking about spitting game.

My current plate I got without RP theory

You didn't get shit without RP theory. RP principals work regardless of whether the actors involved are aware of them. Its like the laws of physics. Just because you stop thinking bout them doesn't mean they stop applying.

[–]RedPillAccount69 3 points4 points  (1 child)

we use our increased SMV to spin plates. We then evaluate these plates for LTR material.

Citation please.

Anyway, your problem is that you think a quality woman would like a man for "who he is" and if she is attracted to an alpha man then therfore she is not a quality woman.

Your thinking is wrong.

All women are attracted to the alpha male. period.

[–]SuperSlavisWife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sigmas.

The point is true, but I think OP is still in the stage of thinking there is only one way to be an Alpha. A casual look at Donald Trump, Marilyn Manson, Tim Burton and Ice T (to use a few examples you can easily find stories about], proves that not to be true. Thus, the extroverted, club-going, openly plate-spinning, bodybuilding, low-wealth-high-status frat-Alpha a lot of RP guys seem to aspire to may attract more plates than LTRs. But that doesn't mean the Alpha element is what is putting the LTR women off.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh look a #notallwomen thread.

[–]Spread_The_Red 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The nly thing that doesnt apply to a high quality girl is the hard next afer no f-close on 3rd date IMPO.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's more to it than just "the red pill." Just because you see the truth, that doesn't mean you're not going to occasionally have some dumb ideas.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This isn't a question, it's a soap box with a question mark.

Next time, go experience some of it before you invent some stupid theory

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Butthurt

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are forgetting the most important lesson in trp. AWALT - all women are like that. It speaks specifically to the nature of women. You seem to have a problem with that. Abundance mentality doesn't disappear by switching to a relationship. I don't understand why people don't see that.

A woman has to be taught to be a partner. She knows what she needs to do, but she will only do it when the juice is worth the squeeze for her.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you're viewing this from a severely limited angle. Good girls will play out the same way as the others. What you're supposed to be working on is your own filters, your own boundaries. When a girl doesn't match what you're looking for, you continue plating until she falls. When a girl does, you continue dating.

If she gives up the ghost too easily, she isn't worth it. If it takes more than 3 dates (my view), she believes she has too much value to be in my life. Meaning she doesn't feel the instinctive need to keep you around. That's my magic number. If she's too guarded around me to fuck, then it just sets the wrong tone/foundation for any relationship.

If you're a man of value, which TRP advocates, then this is proper. These women you're plating should NOT be fucking a man of low value. Add on to that your own set of filters, similar to one of mine I mentioned, and it just creates more hoops for her and further enforces your boundaries.

If a girl does want to run out and fuck Chad while in a LTR with me, so be it. Not only did the better man win, but I also use it as a chance to reflect. "Where did she lose respect for me?" is the first question I'll ask myself. Then, fix it in the next relationships.

[–]hawkeaglejesus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The type of women who would stay with a guy and give up the pussy in hopes of locking him down in commitment, is the same women who will branch swing, and get impulsive around a chad.

AWALT

[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Electric bug zappers attract all types of bugs. They don't discriminate. The low quality ones are just going to be statistically more prevalent. You won't scare a higher quality girl away with RP strengths; she will just be more cautious as she makes looping circles towards your mesmerizing blue light...

[–]Apexk9 -3 points-2 points  (31 children)

You don't know the women. You don't know her past. You don't know what she says is truthful or a stretch.

When you meet a women that moment and beyond is all that matters in figuring out if she is Ltr worthy based on her actions.

Everything before is irrelevant.

But when a girl feels your vibe and likes it she can be the Virgin daughter of a minister but she gonna bounce on your dick in the front seat of ya car.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (30 children)

A women's past is huge in judging whether or not she is worth your commitment. The higher the N could the more likely she is to cheat. Plates are the type of women who will have high N counts.