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Men's RightsA female cardiologist explains how feminism is ruining heart research for men. (self.TheRedPill)

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Hello TRP. I am a long time lurker and this is my first ever post on Reddit, I wouldn't be posting usually, but I found this to be very interesting and how feminism is fucking up our society. Apologies if I make any mistakes.

Hello- I was about to go to sleep early tonight, when I came across a post on facebook that I’ve decided needs addressing. I am a woman who has worked in cardiology for my entire career. I have been a doctor for over 2 decades, and have worked for the American Heart Association.

The post was regarding the current go red for women’s campaign from the American Heart Association. As you may or may not be aware, this is a campaign sponsored by the government to rise awareness in women about cardiovascular health.

This post was by the official facebook page of my son’s high school, aimed at the students and raising awareness in heart disease risks in young people.

But here’s the problem- the entire program was aimed at heart disease awareness in women and girls. All the information was presented as “for girls”, and no mention was made of boys.

The post was encouraging parents and students to take note of leaflets that were to be given out in school tomorrow with heart disease prevention tips.

Now, I am a mother of 2 sons and a daughter. One of my sons is 18 >years old and in high school- the school were the leaflets were being distributed. He brought one home and asked me about it, and honestly, I was quite shocked. The leaflet only made mentions of heart disease prevention for women-and only women. In fact, the leaflets were only handed out to girls. My son wasn’t even given one!

Needless to say, I wasn’t pleased to see my son being completely excluded from such important health education. It left a very bad impression on the students-a few boys were left with the impression that men didn’t get heart attacks or heart disease, and only had to worry about cancer.

What was the absolute worst was what I noticed on the back of the leaflet- the program was sponsored by the American Heart Association.

This made me very upset. It is NOT right to leave teenage boys out of potentially life saving medical education because they happened to be born male.

However troubling this may be, it is unfortunately unsurprising. As part of my work with the American heart association (AHA), I have a first hand role in the creation of public programs, and overall association research and directive. Throughout the years, I have noticed a growing trend that has been seeping in through the cracks that I can stay silent on no longer.

Men’s heart health is being heavily restricted due to feminist influence. As unusual as it may seem, it’s the truth. Numerous national women’s lobby groups have gained significant ground in the political direction of healthcare in the government.

The go red for women campaign is intended to raise awareness in women’s heart disease. The campaign is justified by the claim that women have been left out of heart disease research, and that women’s heart health is behind that of men’s.

The truth is, heart disease was and continues to be significantly worse for men than women. There is no doubt that from the perspective of a cardiologist, it is much more advantageous to be a woman.

As a woman, I must admit that I am secretly very relieved to be female- I see first hand how much younger and more easily men die from heart disease. I can also assure you, as someone who has spent 25 years in cardiology treating patients and overseeing research, you couldn’t find a single female cardiologist who-if being completely honest- doesn’t feel the same way.

Statistics overwhelming paint a grimmer picture for men.

The average age for a first heart attack in men is about 64.

For women, the average age for first heart attack is about 73.

About 40% of men will suffer a heart attack in their lifetime.

For women, this number is 15%.

The average age of death from all heart disease is 70 for men.

For women, it’s 84.

21% of men over the age 65 have Coronary heart disease.

This number is 10% for women.

Every cardiologist on the planet will tell you- heart disease is much worse for men.

You may have seen the often quoted fact that more women die of heart disease than men, and this is true- but it isn’t as black and white as it seems.

The simple fact is that so many more men than women die before the age of 70, that there simply aren’t enough men left to die in heart disease at equal numbers with women. More women die of heart disease in old age simply because there are more women who reach old age in the first place. Men still have higher rates of heart disease at all ages, and are more likely to die of heart disease at all ages.

It is often said that the reason more attention needs to be paid to women’s heart than men’s is because historically, most cardiovascular research was conducted on men.

But this quite misleading.

More research was done on men in the past because so many more men actually did die from heart disease from women. The life expectancy was lower, so most people didn’t live enough to reach the age where women died from heart disease.

The truth is, the historical heart research that was conducted on men had an almost equal benefit for men and women. It did very little to close the gender gap, and men continue to develop and die from heart disease at a statistically significant younger age, on average.

It’s commonly known the the U.S life expectancy is around 75 for men, and 80 for women. However, life expectancy doesn’t tell the whole story. It’s an estimation based on a few murky inconsistencies in research.

Many doctors prefer to look at average age of death. This is the age where people most commonly die- the age where the majority of people die.

When average age of death (AAD) is considered, the gap is much wider.

Doctors commonly use the 65% range- the range where 65% of people will die.

65% of American men die between the ages of 68-72.

In comparison , 65% of American women will die between 83-90.

This is a 15 year difference. This means that on average, men die of “old age” 15 years younger than women do.

Currently, very little heart research is currently being done on men by the AHA. Nearly all new research is focused on women’s cardiovascular research. We are given directives to conduct research aimed exclusively at women, and for the last 2 years, 95% of research subjects have been women.

As a mother of 2 sons, I am NOT ok with this. Very few doctors are. However, if anybody tries to speak, they are immediately suppressed and silenced. They are pressured to stay quiet. Their careers are threatened.

This is because the pressure of feminism is forcing the American medical system to alter scientific truth in favor of political leverage and favoritism. Feminist groups have gained very large lobbying power and have gained substantial influence in the medical field.

There isn’t much I can do about this in my position, except for telling as many people as I possibly can. Until more people are aware of this and demand something be done, it’s only going to get worse.

Now I really am exhausted and must retire to bed.

Thank you for your time.

TL;DR : Title explains it but I'd recommend you read everything. If someone makes a better one I'll edit this. Thanks.


[–]Clauderoughly 141 points142 points  (46 children)

Again this is feminism using human hard wiring to care about women, for their own selfish ends.

Society at large doesn't care about men, because men are the disposable gender.

You can present facts like this, but it does not good because feminism operates on the lower caveman brain (feels!) and logic operates on the higher human brain (logic)

The stats clearly state that men do worse in almost every measure of health, society, homeless, drug addiction, sexual assault, violent crime etc.. but women get all the attention.

This won't ever change.

[–]CouldntFindGudName 61 points61 points [recovered]

Anything men related is not shown much light because "lol, you're men, you don't have any problems."

If a man complains he is a pussy, with feminism around, you can't be 'nice' or diplomatic and expect to get things done for our own good but you have to be strict with them.

Man has been hammered almost everywhere. Court. Hospitals. Education. even home. and yet we are classified as the gender who is privileged.

It is amazing how we survive with all these things in our opposition.

[–]Clauderoughly 51 points52 points  (9 children)

It is amazing how we survive with all these things in our opposition.

We may have been given the short end of the stick, but we know how to sharpen it and make it at deadly weapon.

Men are gifted with the sheer rat bastard cunning to SURVIVE no matter what.

We always have, and we always will.

[–]CouldntFindGudName 33 points33 points [recovered]

Men are gifted with the sheer rat bastard cunning to SURVIVE no matter what.

Exactly, this is what I believe. We are the hunters, men hunt women and no matter how many challenges they will throw at us, we will always find a way to go around it.

We need sex and we will get it by complex strategy or by simple solution. What feminists don't have is the constant drive and determination to reach their goal. A man will be brave/foolish enough to fight a battalion for his cause but a female cannot and will not fight alone. The only time a female will attack you is when she knows you won't be able to retaliate or when she is in a group. One female will not protect or try to save another female at her own expense. But we men, we will go to the end of the world to protect the ones we love. And this is why Females will never win this war. Ever.

[–]lulsause00 12 points13 points  (1 child)

"We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today, we celebrate our Independence Day!"

I dont know why this popped into my head after reading this.

[–]charlesbukowksi 25 points26 points  (3 children)

there is no war mate. let's not make up a perceived threat, like feminists.

the reality is society is governed by sensibilities and everything we see today with regards to discrimination against males is a function of those sensibilities - which, since the broad adoption of women's suffrage, has come to be dominated by the emotionally frail.

it's not all bad though, much good came from this sensitivity. collectivization and progressivism in a large part owe their success to these empathetic voters.

[–]CouldntFindGudName 14 points14 points [recovered]

Bad choice of words on my part. They aren't a threat per se, but they are definitely trying to ruin shit for men. But yeah there are better things that we all can learn from this.

[–]charlesbukowksi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

amen brother

[–]franklyforthright 1 point2 points  (0 children)

much good? I completely disagree

[–]batfish55 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thank you for that.

[–]bells_320 5 points6 points  (4 children)

We survive 15 fewer years!

[–]FugitiveAlpha 5 points6 points  (2 children)

That's because, on average, we're married and really dont want to live another 15 years with the shrill bitch ;)

[–]kneeonbelly 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I know you're joking but I honestly wonder just how much men's health decline can be additionally attributed to I-don't-give-a-fuck-anymore/I'm-so-tired-of-this-shit-itis that many men experience as they segue into their "golden years" in an unfulfilling and loveless marriage. I'd be very interested to see how the statistics change for older married vs. unmarried men, or based on the length of the marriage. I don't deny the biology of it, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that men are just that much more willing to throw in the towel by that point.

[–]FugitiveAlpha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was honestly only half joking. In my experience, old people get old (fast) when they get lonely. Both my grandmothers died shortly after their friends did, and they very clearly lost their will right when that happened based on the things they were saying. It's EASY to extend this concept to men losing the will to survive because hes miserable, not to mention thousands of studies that show mental state effecting health.

[–]zirzo 10 points11 points  (20 children)

this is just depressing. I am getting the feeling this is a massively misdirected and a badly targeted social experiment on a mass scale with its natural ending point being destruction of society and civilization as we know it

[–]Clauderoughly 19 points20 points  (5 children)

this is just depressing. I am getting the feeling this is a massively misdirected and a badly targeted social experiment

Meh, but it's not something you have any control over, so don't waste time worrying about it. The best you can do, is be the kind of change you want to see in others.

Social change is as slow as a glacier, and I am sure in 50 years they will look back at feminism and laugh about how stupid it was that they could have thought that men and women were equal.

Look at how much society has changed in just 50 years.

50 years ago (1964) the US was only just starting to dismantle segregation.

Feminism will be relegated to the dustbin of history and society will re find it's balance.

Men will always have it harder than women, that is never going to go away but who the hell want's an easy, lazy life ?

If I had the sort of life women had, I would be a horrible person too because I would never improve because I would never face any serious hardship.

Hammering shapes the steel into something useful.

[–]zirzo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great points.

[–]xsnyder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And the forge hardens the steel. Out of the fire we become stronger.

[–]phoneprofile 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm just waiting for an automated world with virtual reality escapes. Basic income, gym at home and my virtual reality escapes.

[–]elevul 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely. Then real women can go fuck themselves, I'll have all the fun with my virtual perfect ones.

[–]Dantes_Purgatory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Live a life which you can be proud of. Damn the mewlings of the herd - and damn your own short-term comfort, as well.

Do and say what gives you self respect. All else is vanity.

[–]CouldntFindGudName 4 points4 points [recovered]

this is just depressing. I am getting the feeling this is a massively misdirected and a badly targeted social experiment on a mass scale

I can understand why you feel it is depressing, I felt the same and I feel the same when sometimes I am reading about TRP and such but then I realize, we can't complain it's up to us to fix ourselves. Your feeling is right. Feminism is a massive shit test. You handle it like a shit test. What Clauderoughly said is true too, we can't worry about something we don't have any control over. The day I learned that was the day I started to lose my anxiety, to a certain extent at least.

Again, this is a massive shit test and the way to deal with it is to improve ourselves and people who are near us.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

When all new research on heart disease is focused on women - that's a signal that certain elements of society are failing the shit test.

[–]zirzo 1 point2 points  (4 children)

makes you wonder if its worth bringing a kid into this broken messed up world

[–]phoneprofile 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Actually I hope to raise a big family instilled with anti feminism, pro personal freedom, fiscally conservative, and entrepreneurial values. The question is how to protect myself financially and my kids family environment.

[–]zirzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, from the outside which is constantly trying to destroy what you are creating.

[–]CouldntFindGudName 2 points2 points [recovered]

The joy of having a child and raising him is too much to worry about these things. You will be more trained than the regular parents who have no idea about this, they will suffer the consequences and won't even know. You in the other hand know the danger, and that's why you will be well prepared and you will prepare your children well. Although it's depressing but we must never lose hope, that is our strength. Edit : A word.

[–]zirzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good points. Reminds me of http://www.damninteresting.com/unskilled-and-unaware-of-it/ the unskilled part can be applied to this state of mind of not the larger trends taking place. Not noticing the forest while walking through the trees.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Cheer up! Only the west and westerized countries are self-destructing. The human species will live on...(into a period of Islamic hegemony no doubt)

Best case scenario: We will refer to this period of our civilization as the First American Republic 1776-20xx

Sumeria, Babylon, Egypt, Persia, Rome fell and we lived on. Then the (Carolingian) Holy Roman Empire fell, and we lived on. Then the Byzantine Empire fell and we lived on. And then the (Middle Age) Holy Roman Empire fell, and we lived on...

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Who cares if civilization will or will not live on? We are suffering the consequences of this bullshit right now. That's what matters.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The person I was replying to.

[–]phoneprofile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Adjust. View to never marry, improve your mind and body, spin those plates and find something that makes you happy like hobbies or traveling etc

[–]SeekingAlpha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What a Western-centric CisHet rapelord conception of "We". Check'd!

[I couldn't help myself.]

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Remember that when arguing with idiots, the better thought out your response is, the deafer ears it falls on. See your argument there? it's using too many, uhm, words.

[–]ss4james_ 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Usually referred to by feminists as "mansplaining".... ei. when they are too dumb to understand what you're saying so they revert to their previous, tenuously constructed ideology while never actually responding to the substance of what you said...

Mansplaining, because discussion and debate on a point-by-point basis is, like, boring.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

like totally.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

|Society at large doesn't care about men, because men are the disposable gender.

Well said.

[–]phoneprofile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wait til men smarten up. It's already happening top an extent. Redpill, men's rights and Mgtow are growing every day. Marriage rates are going down.

[–]DasWood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and yet, schools are not allowed to discriminate based on gender. I would say for that mom who cares about her sons (The only way to get a woman to care for a man it seems) to sue for discrimination.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 23 points24 points  (4 children)

This makes me rage, which sucks because I'm probably harming my heart health by raging.

Mainstream feminism is probably killing more men than followers of The SCUM Manifesto could ever hope to.

So they're giving it to us with both barrels - first by causing stress by attacking us with divorce law and VAWA (not to mention just pissing us off in general), then by cutting funding for heart research that could help the increasingly stressed-out men with heart disease.

[–]CouldntFindGudName 8 points8 points [recovered]

Yes indeed, you're so right about them trying to kill us. All they want is to find their utopia like an extremist group. "once all other religions followers are killed and only our religion will survive then we will have world peace." or "give us everything we want, and only then can the world be at peace."

They will never listen to rationalism, they will never listen to men, or even women who think that feminism in it's current state is wrong.

I too used to get raged (still do) but we need to know that we have so much in our head already and worrying/getting angry will only be bad for us.

To be honest I'd give them a whole country, all feminists who think they are better than men, all females that think their feminist sisters are right can join them too. Only redpilled women will be allowed to stay with us. I'd give them a big chunk of land, or any place they want. And then watch them fail while me and my friends laugh our asses off.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Only redpilled women will be allowed to stay with us. I'd give them a big chunk of land, or any place they want. And then watch them fail while me and my friends laugh our asses off.

In this hypothetical situation they'd claim oppression stomp their feet and refuse to leave. You know why? Because feminism is a parasitic ideology. They need functioning, rational, productive people to feed their cause. They need an enemy to paint to operate in the shades of grey (pun intended.) Their ideology could not maintain itself without anything to feed off. In a feminist society they couldn't take the victim position because everyones pro feminist and therefore nobody is a victim, no girls would get tingles, nothing would get done and shit would fall apart. A primitive society could not support feminism, it encourages too much inefficiency and psychological trauma. Feminism is the result of a civilization where machines replace the roles that men used to perform, thus allowing women to relegate their dependency to technology rather than men themselves. The funny thing is that its men who maintain all the tech that we have and it was men who invented the vast 99.9% majority of it to begin with.

[–]ashman89 30 points31 points  (19 children)

Another concern I have is the fact that Women suffering from Breast Cancer have had more awareness than Men suffering from Prostate Cancer. Cancer is a killer for both genders but Breast Cancer has more media attention than prostate cancer.

Although this recent advert to raise awareness of Prostate Cancer shows a glimmer of hope for Men's Rights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yXCNKGiXoQ

[–]Mooshaq 15 points16 points  (5 children)

If you want to help out, participate in Movember – it's supposed to be for raising prostate cancer awareness. A lot of us donate to a charity for prostate cancer research at the beginning of November. Movember is a fun thing to do, especially to see the negative reactions of certain women (mainly feminists) around you. You'll get shamed for growing a mustache (even though it's for cancer awareness) by at least a few feminists.

Sure it's nowhere near as publicized as female breast cancer is, but it's gaining some public interest finally.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I thought you were joking about feminists hating on Movember, but nope: http://alagarconniere.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/expecting-a-bit-mo-from-movember/

Apparently it's offensive to those who can't grow virile facial hair, and the focus on prostate cancer is offensive because "not all men have prostates". What the fucking fuck.

[–]Mooshaq 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I thought you were joking about feminists hating on Movember

I wish I were. Every November without fail, I get at least a few telling me the mustache looks stupid (it doesn't hit its full glory until week 3) and that Movember is a stupid cause. Apparently it's very childish, and I should find more mature ways that don't oppress women and strengthen the patriarchy by excluding women (most women cannot grow mustaches) from this event.

http://alagarconniere.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/expecting-a-bit-mo-from-movember/

God damn this author is such a cunt. I stopped reading once I saw "cisnormative" and "heteronormative." Listen, I respect that some people are transgender and they should not be thought of as freaks, or attacked, berated, whatever. But the point is that they are such an immensely small percent of the population, that they don't need to be taken into consideration in every fucking thing that the average person does. If they can't grow a mustache, just donate $5 to a cancer charity, buy a Movember shirt or just shut the fuck up and support a guy that does grow a mustache. There's no reason to cry oppression because your genitalia and your brain are not on the same page.

[–]Froztwolf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's been picking up a lot in the last few years, which is great to see. :)

[–]fuckeh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow I don't know how I would react if someone tried to shame me for participating in Movember. Sure, my mustache looks silly, but the cause is important. Both my grandfathers had prostate cancer, I have had 0 family members with breast cancer, in fact I only know one person personally who has breast cancer.

I just hate all forms of cancer really, and breast cancer gets loads of attention already.

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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I literally sell out of pink toolboxes every time I get them in stock. The only difference from the cheapest toolbox is that Susan Komen for the Cure gets a cut of the increased markup.

[–]mbr902000 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Komen is a fraud. 43% of 2011 revenue was spent on "education" while a mere 15% was actually spent on breast cancer research. Not only that, they put a trademark on the phrase "for the cure" and actively used litigation to shut down anyone else that used that phrase in a charity that may have actually donated to research.

[–]zirzo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

because breasts /end of bad joke

[–]boydeer 3 points4 points  (1 child)

i have heard that the reason for this is that while most men die with prostate cancer, few die from it. in other words, money would be better spent on something else, since men don't live long enough to die from prostate cancer usually. i cannot confirm the veracity of this statement without some googling.

obviously, the feminist choice is to spend the money on women, but we can probably come up with something better.

[–]votequimby 4 points5 points  (0 children)

While that is true, prostate cancer is still the second most common cause of cancer-related death in the UK, and sixth most common cause worldwide. With the way the developed world is going with regards to the ageing population, prostate cancer is only going to increase. Plus, the treatments for advanced disease can be pretty nasty, with lots of hormonal side effects, plus the chance of erectile dysfunction and urinary retention.

Couple that with the fact that men can present late because they are less likely to visit the doctor, and the whole stigma with men seeking help etc, I find it pretty shameful the lack of awareness it receives compared to breast cancer.

[–]xtr3m 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Compared to prostate cancer breast cancer is less lethal, infinitely easier to spot, and women are much more likely to visit a doctor. It's men that need the awareness, yet we spend billions painting everything pink.

[–]thro_way 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you might be thinking of testicular cancer. Prostate cancer is one of the most benign types of cancer.

[–]Senior Contributordeepthrill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a fair point, but I can attest from personal conversations with employees of the NIH that as long as congress is made up of primarily old men, even if there's not as much awareness, there will always be funding for prostate cancer research.

[–]Discipulus_Eruditae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can commercialize Breast Cancer to women unlike commercializing Prostate Cancer to men. Look at the 30 million different Buy this PINK (thing) in support of Breast Cancer Research that woman gobble up as if they are "heroes" in a "battle." Men are too intelligent to fall for such dipshit nonsense. Cancer kills, but only certain ones are going to make someone rich and therefore get the massive media exposure.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 40 points41 points  (7 children)

I can't help but be grateful when we see stories of women realizing how fucked men are. I have a feeling though if she wasn't a cardiologist or had 2 teenage boys we might not even be hearing about this.

Also you want to know why men die of heart disease so much sooner? The constant fucking stress they have to deal with that's why.

PS: Thank god for Movember.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Also you want to know why men die of heart disease so much sooner? The constant fucking stress they have to deal with that's why.

The candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long.

[–]votequimby 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oestrogen is also cardioprotective which is why incidence of heart disease increases after menopause for women. Meanwhile, men who are hammered with stress throughout life as well as not having the same cardioprotective benefit that oestrogen confers are afflicted with heart disease much sooner and much more often. It would clearly make sense to aim awareness and research at the men who are at a much greater risk throughout their life from heart disease, but sometimes we live in a world that doesn't makes any sense at all.

[–]CouldntFindGudName 10 points10 points [recovered]

I have a feeling though if she wasn't a cardiologist or had 2 teenage boys we might not even be hearing about this.

Yep, you're right. I am happy that she at least realized it, even if it was due to her own kids being innocent victims.

Also you want to know why men die of heart disease so much sooner? The constant fucking stress they have to deal with that's why.

You are absolutely correct. Women claim they are mentally stronger, but I am willing to bet one of my balls that if a woman had to go through the daily stress of a guy for a few months, she'll turn mental.

I have read the comments on the original post. They are hammering this female for just telling everyone that there should be equal awareness and her children(who happen to be boys) should not be left out.

Massive downvotes going her way.

Look at this.

ProseElement [S] 10 points 13 hours ago (93|85)

This is true, yes. And there is nothing wrong with educating women on the differences in heart disease.

But there's more to it then that. In the United States, this is being done at the expense of men.

Heart health research on men is being halted. Men , like my son, are being ignored.

93 upvotes and 85 downvotes. Why? because she used logic? Or did she say something that the females and mass circle jerk of the world doesn't like? This is really sad.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 9 points10 points  (1 child)

You are absolutely correct. Women claim they are mentally stronger, but I am willing to bet one of my balls that if a woman had to go through the daily stress of a guy for a few months, she'll turn mental.

Meet lesbian journalist Norah Vincent who did exactly that, she convincingly posted and lived as a man named "Ned" for months, the experience of living like a man traumatised her so much she ended up in a mental hospital.

Vincent asserts that, since the experiment, she has never been more glad to be female.

Her most recent book is Voluntary Madness, about her experiences as an inpatient in three different mental hospitals. Suffering from depression after her eighteen months living disguised as a man, Vincent felt she was a danger to herself.

No shit, it's easier, she should know. She lived 18 months without the pussy pass. For science. Good on her, she made the effort.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The constant fucking stress they have to deal with that's why.

Such a stupid comment. Women deal with stress just as much as men, dude. That has literally nothing to do with why men have more heart problems than women and saying so is ignorant.

The OP had a great article but when you drown it down with worthless comments like that it spreads misinformation to all the members here, especially because your endorsed.

[–]MahlerNinth 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, heart disease is awful, and it's criminal that men don't get the same information access or support here that women do.

Hence why it's all the more important that men are aware of what they can do for their own chances here. We can't leech off welfare systems and productive people the way women do, so some things are up to us:

  • Get annual blood checkups, and don't wait until you're in your 50s to start checking on these things. Even if you're in your mid/late 20s, blood work once a year will highlight blood triglyceride and lipid profiles, high cholesterol/bad cholesterol ratios, and other warning markers that you can address early.

  • Hit the gym or a running/cycling track. No brainer here. Lifting is great, but cardio is good for the heart as well.

  • Eat sensibly. Cut out shit like processed food with tons of additives, or HFCS loaded shit. Instead of emulating the fat feminist eating ice cream out of the half gallon tub on her couch, eat fresh veggies, fresh meats, egg whites, fruit, nuts, etc.

  • Pay attention to diabetes risk markers too, especially if there's history in your family. Like heart disease, there's already a lot more information/support out there for women, and the two can go hand in hand. Read up on shit like this on your own, because you're not going to get the info handouts and advice otherwise.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the OP on /r/self doesn't write about heart disease like a doctor, and another redditor on that thread found a post from another throwaway with the same attitude about gender bias in heart disease prevention.

[–]alt30313 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regardless the reactions are real. The downvotes and anger the content caused is telling. Arguing that there needs to be women only issue education vs education focused on both genders shows how much they care about men.

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This is the second post about the Go Red campaign here. I'll add some facts about it for the curious.

First, it's been going on for nearly a decade:

http://blog.heart.org/go-red-for-women-timeline/

According to this AHA blog post, the impetus for the campaign was a survey about women's perceptions of heart disease:

it was the lack of knowledge about this threat to women – the assumption that heart disease was an old man’s problem – that led to the creation of Go Red For Women and National Wear Red Day.

Just over a decade ago, a survey revealed a major, life-threatening awareness gap that was contributing to denial and a lack of medical attention. Women just didn’t know heart disease was their most serious health threat.

You can read more about that survey here:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/109/5/573.full

and about the GoRed campaign here:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/111/4/383.full

https://www.goredforwomen.org/

Also, look here if you want to compare clinical trials on heart disease for representation of men/women.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

1996: 30% of women polled assumed cardio-based death

2003: 46% of women

Alright guys, looks like we need to stop informing men and instead target women.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Shocking fat-shaming in the discussion section of the survey article:

The present survey documents that women in the United States of all ethnic and age groups have suboptimal knowledge about CVD risk factors despite the fact that there are well-established methods to lower risk. In the Nurses’ Health Study, which monitored more than 80 000 women for 14 years, 82% of coronary events were attributed to lack of adherence to lifestyle guidelines involving diet, exercise, and smoking. Furthermore, the most recent National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, conducted between 1999 and 2000, found significant increases in the prevalence of obesity (30.1% with BMI ≥30 kg/m2) and hypertension (34%) among women compared with prior surveys. In addition, it is estimated that about 48% of women have elevated total cholesterol levels (≥200 mg/dL) and that 21% smoke.

[–]zirzo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

if this go red thing picks up steam maybe the red pill can ride on its coat tails with its on go red pill campaign?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Raising awareness for men's issues one pill at a time

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course, if what the author says about how "95% of [new] research subjects have been women," then I clearly would be opposed to this for obvious reasons.

There's no way they could get those studies approved by a rational IRB, nor would pharma companies want to take their prime target audience out of a study critical to their drug's success.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

65% of American men die between the ages of 68-72.

In comparison , 65% of American women will die between 83-90.

Can anyone cite this claim? If true I'm shocked

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

There was a lot of pressure on me at my job to wear red yesterday and donate to this program. Fuck that.

As soon as I read the e-mail about this, my first words were, 'What the fuck is this? We're not talking about cervical cancer here. Fuck if I'm supporting or donating to it.'

I got more crap than most because I work for a company that interacts with charities... that's what we do. But for fucks sake... a male employee of this company died not three months ago from heart disease. How can people forget that so quickly?

edit: OP, please post the link. I'd to get involved in that discussion if it's still going on. That shit pissed me off.

[–]boomfoom 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Truly great post. I submitted it to /r/bestof , but they have a bot stating that they don't accept submissions from this subreddit.

Either way, great post.

[–]AveofSpades 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Pisses me off when the NFL does that asshattery pink month nonsense in October. The funny part about it though, is that the NFL keeps like 98% of the "charitable donations."

[–]Costafarian 2 points3 points  (1 child)

"Women live longer than men, because they aren't married to women"

Alan King

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I really want to see bluepill's take on this.

Probably something like #traitor, #all of my female friends have heart disease and #probably a man

[–]Dantes_Purgatory 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Men: what would be the point to living an extra fifteen years, without your wife alongside of you? What woman wants to face fifteen years without her loving husband?

This is not mere selfishness (though selfishness explains the many idiot followers); feminism is nothing but the suicide urge.

These Feminists hate men, they hate women, they hate children, they hate happiness, they hate their loneliness, and they hate company. Nothing they do or say ever benefits anybody.

They want to destroy themselves, but first they must destroy the rest of us.

What vile creatures they are.

[–]BooksofMagic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Where did you find this?

[–]p3ndulum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Feminism misinterpreting data? Shocker.

[–]DasWood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just another form of warfare. Feminist groups want to further skew the numbers more for women as much as possible. I just made a post in another thread like this. However if feminists can restrict men from getting proper treatment and die as early as possible while making sure women live as long as possible the skew towards female voters will increase allowing more and more radical agendas to become mainstream.

This is an easy question. Lets just check the stats! Wikipedia says the male to female ratio in the US is .97 as of 2010. This means for every 100 women, there are only 97 men to match. Ok, but maybe men vote more? About.com has some stats. Sixty percent of women vote while only fifty-six percent of men vote! This means the male voters to female voters ratio skews to .90! Or for every 9 male voters there are 10 female corresponding voters.

Suppose the voting trends stay the same but they succeed in skewing the population ratio from .97 men to women to .94 men to women, or even .9 men to women. That would make the voting men to voting women ratio would be less than .85. Women would easily win on every issue they want every time.

[–]dudebro48 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Femenism makes me so depressed. I don't even want to be a part of this fucked society anymore.

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I wish there was a reset button... to life. Just... At least when men were in control, they would push for research for heart disease regardless of sex. Women just want shit for women. Fuck what all of them say. NAWALT bullshit.

This is why I'd never vote for a woman. I don't give a fuck what they say. Politicians are bad enough, but female politicians? Especially nowadays? Let me give you an example, once there was a Sultan of the Ottoman Empire named Sultan Suleiman Han [ra]. Who fell hard for a slave girl named Roxalana. It so happened, during her time with Sultan Suleiman, she had his best friend killed and Chief Vizier Ibrahim killed for suspicion of treason. All she did was plant doubts in the heart of Suleiman, and Suleiman cut his own foot off, himself. The power of a woman is seduction through the senses. Her words, her gaze [please, every beautiful woman knows how to work it], her scent, everything about her, she puts to work on our senses.

She had Suleiman kill his own son [Mustafa was from a different mother, otherwise, he was the most preferred for succeeding Suleiman as Sultan by the soldiers. Shehzade Mustafa had the most potential]. And because of this, Suleiman got even more paranoid, started freaking the fuck out and killed two of his other sons for the same reason. On suspicion of treason.

Roxalana wanted one thing. Power. For herself. Otherwise, Sultans before Suleiman, Sultan Mehmet II [ra], I shouldn't have to tell you what he did to earn the title, The Conquerer. Sultan Selim Han [ra], Yavuz Sultan, father of Suleiman, who was so strict that he had many of his viziers killed for incompetence. Once his vizier asked Selim to tell him when he plans to kill the vizier so the vizier could have some time to get his debts settled.

Sultan Selim Han laughed and said that he was indeed thinking of killing the vizier but hadn't found anyone to replace him with. My point is, men are strict. And don't bend to the will of women. Now, I've mentioned kings, and there is lots of bloodshed. The seat of power is very strict, and ruthless. As Aurangzeb, The last Mughal Sultan said in his autobiography, "Kingship knows no Kinship."

Once a woman comes in power, it means hell for men. Men however, do things that are beneficial for everyone. The latest article that I read on ROK was, "Why the patriarchy is a good thing," or something like that. You should never obey women. Ever. Not even once. Hate me if you will, but life is very merciless about who lives, and who dies. You get caught once in the jaws of a snake, you die. Its the venom that kills you. Not the snake.

Beware of the venom that comes from women. It'll ruin you. Like it did Sultan Suleiman Han.

And if you want to keep a woman in control, keep her bent like the bone she is made from, [if you're an athiest, good for you, try to follow the analogy]. The bones of the ribs are bent, you can't straighten it by force at the risk of breaking it, nor can you bend it even more, for it will become unruly and improper to call a rib. You keep that shit like it is. A little stern will here and there, a little lax temperament every now and again. That'll do you good.

[–]ilike2partyhowaboutu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haven't you learned we men are disposable?

Oh men are being left in the dust?... oh.. ok society.. surely there will be zero backlash.

[–]SSolus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This just makes me sick.. feminism really has just fucked everything up. After reading this I really cant understand how someone could ever support something that condones this.. fucking disgusting

[–]SmokeU 1 point2 points  (2 children)

She has horrible grammar for someone so educated.

[–]alt30313 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You are not wrong but I think it's foolhardy to assume that good grammar indicates intelligence. Some of the smartest people I know have poor grammar. Lots of average people have superior grammar.

I think focusing on the grammar and syntax takes away from the lessons that can be drawn from the post. The reactions are real. The downvotes and anger the content caused is telling. Arguing that there needs to be women only issue education vs education focused on both genders shows how much they care about men. As another poster pointed out one of her comments received 93 upvotes and 85 downvotes. It's clear reddit is split on the issue into two different ideological camps.

[–]MockingDead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I type, my fingers like to stray to different keys and shout LOLNOPE when I command them to type the correct word.

Now... I'm not sayign I am smart. I am saying I have stupid fingers.

[–]Dragontitz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

why do men get heart disease more?

[–]TRPviewer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is in no way scientific, but I imagine it's because we have to deal with women.

[–]mitchell25u 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who else is sick of hearing all about the feminist adds for breast cancer?! Like yes that's awful that you get it but it's ridiculous how many I end up seeing! And not to mention the fact that there are rarely any adds for men's health at all...!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no hope of empathy from feminists. What we have to do is deflect any feminist idea there is as much as it is in our power. Because they won't care. Those feminists could literally kill a man and still present themselves as victims, they are as messed up as you can get.

[–]CptJackSwallows 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I felt like this about all the breast cancer walks etc, they are always targeted at woman and no mention is even made of the fact that men can get breast cancer thus reducing awareness in the male part of society.

On a side note, men could be more effected by heart disease because they tend to do harder work than women in more stressful environments with large amounts of pressure to earn more money etc

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What article is this originally from?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hows that democracy and hen voting treating you?

[–]WeAreAllSheep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's because men deserve death according to feminists.

[–]jacobman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a really really good post. I too was disturbed when I started seeing the promoting of wear red day. I wish that this was a major topic of discussion on the reddit front page, but unfortunately it's very hard to argue against things that are good for women.

[–]AKBeaver69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This makes me very very sad. I can't describe it more eloquently than that, it just makes me deeply sad. Especially considering a friend of mine's father died of heart disease If my fiance were to have heart problems later in life I want him to be cared for properly. We are 22 year olds right now and I'm hoping that by the time he reaches old age this won't be an issue anymore and more research will have been done But my heart aches for men This shit just isn't fair.. Feminists always spout their "equal rights for women" bullshit but they absolutely do not want equal rights... not without keeping their female upper hand. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

[–]watersign -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Feminism and gay rights are bad for society.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The quoted post provides no citations for its claims (some of which have been debunked) and is from a brand new account -- I highly doubt this is a medical professional; I think we're dealing with an MRA extremist/troll.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I bet you enjoyed that affirmative action, though.

lel.

But that's besides the point. Perhaps men being beasts of burden, and having to undergo daily rigors of extreme stress also contributes to the lower life expectancy.