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I find myself constantly matching women that just seem batshit insane or just not altogether there in a sense. naturally I ask them their interest, they offer nothing of any substance, don't say anything interesting, and then seem to have weird bipolar stances on what they want from me. ive had girls come on to me extremely hard, only for me to ask if they wanted to fuck to getting the cold should. a lot of these women aren't even attractive and don't even measure up to me smv wise. yet when I live in Poland, Germany, and korea things were so much simpler. I would literally just ask if they wanted to hang out, and from there I would escalate and fuck. here in America its like constant mental gymnastics from women that aren't even remotely all that attractive. its a catch 22, I want to fuck , but jesus Christ, I just don't understand why everything has to be a strategic move for who has the upper hand, idgaf about waiting 2 days to text, its just simply childish.

[–]Kennen1Trick 78 points79 points  (20 children)

Yea white knights and beta males are puffing these girls heads up ridiculously.

[–]neverendingplush 36 points37 points  (19 children)

who are you kidding, im not making 200k a year, but god damn. im a shredded 24 year old, with disposable income, getting treated like another option by out of weight boring single moms. is this reality?

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (11 children)

The problem is you're gaming girls online where their self-perceived SMV is inflated 2-3 points by thirsty dudes sliding into their dm's from the moment they wake up.

[–]neverendingplush 12 points13 points  (8 children)

ive constantly wondered to myself, who do these women think they are going to end up with at the end of they day. I mean honestly. most of my peers are out of shape, compliant, generally broke, and not exactly the best looking.

[–]Velebit 16 points17 points  (7 children)

It's not that their value goes up, it's more that your value goes down for not approaching them in person, most guys dont approach and are not reccomended by trusted ones (preselected) so women hold that against men. The natural way to get intimate with a woman is either through socializing in person (if she is a wench) or through trusted ones like family, friends or tribe elders (if she is a lady), women hold you and the whole situation of being forced to use dating apps against men in general and usually think of themselves as less for ever doing it thus they see a buff man as merely an overcompensating coward that would never dare approach her in person and without social value to meet him through her social circle, because ur not worth being friends with. This, of course is extremely illogical but to realize it is illogical you need critical thinking and high reasoning capacity... considering technology and situation in current year but our brains have not evolved to be in a multibillion member societies with invisible magic sending messages into handheld moving pictures. Women will not adjust to the fact she no longer lives in a 50 member village where the best way to meet her future husband is in a summer feast dance when her brother introduces her to you or when there is high value knight/bard being hosted for his heroism/talent by a local chieftain in the same hall as her so he approaches her.

Women feel a sense of awe in phisical male's presence and that is a huge reason why muscles work in person but dont online, women often sincerely dont think muscles are aesthetic but in person their submissive nature just makes them moist around buff men.

The reason why collectivism once existed is because family members and/or tribe elders would preselect or narrow down possible and compatible partners for young people of similar status, looks and abilities. A good match of two virgins usually works out especially if they get kids fast and have financials/work secured by family and friends or tribe. This is why in past family was the bedrock of civilization. It also used to work that woman brings her dowry into marriage and upon divorce (very rare) she takes the same stuff back. Today women usually bring debt into marriage and use courts to steal property, savings or future income of her victim/husband.

However female brain does not really register this change, they have evolved to fear violence, microaggressions, gossip and lie to protect their reputation. This is why women will try to test men and avoid openly expressing interest, especially doing it first. They hide their interest evolutionarily in their body language to select for men who notice it because the same man will notice if children have something wrong with them and do something about it.

You might be 9/10 guy in person but online you are a 6/10. In person you make a mistake and laugh it off. Online you make a mistake and it's in front of her, written, saved and never forgotten. Women also tend to re-read conversations. They will revisit your stupid joke you wrote 10 times. Even if she laughs on it for the first time, later on she will realize it's not that funny. She will realize you have some sort of beyond logic influence on her and will resent you for it. You need to do it in person so her mind is distracted with the physical aspect of it. Online it's a conversation, in person it's an experience.

If you get into a fight or a witty conversation with someone in person, you will quickly forget wtf and how it even happened but you will remember the feeling, online you have it always saved and it becomes a timestamped fact and not an emotional experience. Women like tiny moments of childish happiness not serious analytical sharing of information.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're absolutely right, online dating fucked up my self esteem. I've been called good looking and charming irl but online I'm seen thrifty and in general a low value male like even when I messaged girls I used to always feel like I gave off this thirsty frame. Although online dating is the easy way out it almost nerves yields results unless you're a male model. Working on yourself and approaching girls works way better I wish I knew that before or else I wouldn't have wasted two years of my life on online dating

[–]Velebit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

online dating is not a waste of effort exactly because it requires so little of you, however it can never replace daygame... this year I went out with at least 10 girls from Tinder and I spent maybe 10-15 mins daily on that and you can literally do it when on toilet...

even if it has same efficiency the kind of girls you will meet there will generally not be near quality, especially for ltr of those girls who are generally hidden away and usually just engage in thematic socializing

if you wanna meet wife material the best places are literary circles and libraries, debate clubs, volunteering work, board game clubs etc... places where people deliberately go to present themselves as meat are not where you should meet your future significant other

I have met plenty of 20something virgins on various board game and cosplaying events, im not saying those girls are nawalts but you can generally find a rare specimen that lucked out (for you) with a nice combination of being from a conservative stable family, introverted (genetic), has no sense of makeup and style (this is actually massive part of male attraction to women) and went to some female dominated field with little to no exposure to men like chemistry, chemical lab work, accounting, poetry, pharmacist etc... so they are generally somewhat innocent and not used up. The more partners a person has the less ability they have to bond with a romantic partner.

Meeting an extroverted, very open-minded, impulsive woman might seem fun but those women also adore attention, have loose morals and change their opinions, priorities and "feelings" extremely often. This is why an absurd amount of men fall for borderline girls. They meet them in one of their short and seductive phases when she is high energy and exhibits strong passion for something a man appreciates.

Big five traits are the most important thing about a woman you can get to know and are heavily supported by actual science and not just anecdotal stories.

[–]BraindeadIQ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

but in person their submissive nature just makes them moist around buff men.

As a noob, What do you mean by this? like Buff dudes will make them more secure and their pussy tingle ? since she feels more "safe" he is likely to be more dominant ?

[–]Velebit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

consentual sex is evolutionarily very young, a buff man appeals to the most primitive part of female mind, even in women who don't think buff men are aesthetically pleasing

the only exception are women who are sexually dominant but that is a very tiny part, they are turned on by androgynous look because they have a genetic mutation that makes them matriarchal but this is too much for normies to handle so ignore it and focus only on my first paragraph

[–]BraindeadIQ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As me i'm pretty buff dude, Ive it pretty easy getting girls mainly because off my size, I'm not ripped but i'm big.

And thank you

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i dunno, i haven't found cold approach during the day to be more effective than online game. I dunno if approaching is supposed to increase one's SMV for having the balls to do that so to speak, but I just get ghosted after approaching. If it just depended on approaching, shit would be easy. But you have to do a solid approach and get a solid number by taking her out on an instant date, and I don't always have the time for that. shrug

[–]Velebit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you are using shifty circular logic... "more effective" or note is very relative and depends on your personal definition and anecdotal perception... and you also use an excuse that makes no sense that you have to go instantly on a date.

[–]neverendingplush 0 points1 point  (1 child)

so do they not realize they don't have the same pull in real life

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really don't think so.

10 years ago maybe but now I don't think they can separate social media from reality.

[–]AshyBoneVR4 7 points8 points  (2 children)

is this reality?

Na man, close, this is America lol. You are absolutely right about the women here. They are mentally unstable, and immature. Hope you're not staying here long. You'll be dragged down.

[–]neverendingplush 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Nah I'm goin back to Germany.

[–]AshyBoneVR4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Smart move.

[–]SuperCrazy07 5 points6 points  (1 child)

tbh, 24 isn't really a great age to be for a guy. You'll definitely notice things picking up as you get older (assuming you don't start sucking at life).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

30 is when you arrive.

This is the point where girls will be breaking down your door to suck your dick if you build your SMV through your 20's.

[–]BKLager 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends. What city you in brah? If in NYC/LA/etc it might not be enough.

[–]Narcissist456 31 points32 points  (7 children)

Welcome to the western world.

[–]neverendingplush 13 points14 points  (6 children)

this shit is so insane

[–]Narcissist456 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I feel you man what part of the us you venturing ?

[–]neverendingplush 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I live in Colorado springs. I rarely see an attractive woman here, when I go about my daily life. only during the night scene do they seem to come out, and even then, it's been lackluster.

[–]Kennen1Trick 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yea and they’re gooped up with makeup, vapid, self-centered, no goals, no interests. Just an Instagram surfer caked up in product to disguise the ugliness that shows through in her personality anyways lol.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_SQUAT 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've lived in CS for a while before moving out. I highly recommend Denver and Boulder if you can afford it. Colorado Springs is a family town anyway.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Speaking as a guy who has dated, mated and plated in both E.Europe and America, America is 1000x worse. It might as well be called the United States of Entitled, Fucked-Up Women.

When I am in the Rodina yeah, it's a different set of problems, but a far more welcome one. It's like America in the 1980s, before shit got really bad - the 90s fucking broke gender relations, that's for sure.

[–]neverendingplush 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying men don't have a huge part in this, but damn, it's so toxic here. it's as if women here hate men and view as a utility. I don't have to be attracted to a woman to show her a modicum of respect. Lets say if I was 6'5 which I'm not and a girl's says she won't consort with anyone shorter then that, I don't want to talk to her. women have these insane standards that just seem very arbitrary and pointless, and in the end I can't imagine this going over well in the future when these women are older.

[–]Velebit 6 points7 points  (6 children)

With american women the most ridiculous openings are the best ones. I literally open girls with "do you like vikings?" or "wanna see my castle" or "are your parents proud of you" and they just laugh and accept it. You can't talk to them seriously because if you do they will stop responding. Even if all she talks about in her description is a particular hobby or interest DONT. Just make small talk pointless funny banter. If the joke works you are good if it does not assume its done. Don't think about it! Don't try to understand why this is. Just accept it's irrational rules and work with them as if they make sense.

With a lot of Eastern European women it does not work because they have a much more conservative mentality and "hi beautiful how are you" is appropriate to open them. Western woman wants you to be a fun clown, eastern wants literal virtue signaling. Or what most PUAs describe as "confident beta". You have to qualify yourself in a very confident way and the etiquette of conservative mentality will stop her from shittesting you and just assume your effort to act civilized is proof enough that what you say is true.

[–]neverendingplush 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Fuck being a clown man, not reducing myself to be a jester in the hope of pussy. I don't need a woman for her entertainment, money, or to fill a hole in my heart. I just want femininity

[–]Velebit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Femininity is obsolete. Camille Paglia talked about it and how technology basically freed society from requirements that were all about femininity.

Borderline women are the most feminine behavior-wise. Irrational, unpredictable, emotional, passionate, mysterious... that is why on a subreddit largely dedicated to seducing women you keep hearing about borderline women and how guys who focus on improving themselves and their game keep ending up with them despite all the warnings.

One of the outcomes of femininity and masculinity being obsolete and irrelevant by any and every practical standard except social expectation is that people, recognizing they ain't masculine or feminine try to LOOK as feminine and masculine as possible.

So men tattoo tribal warrior pics, skulls, coats of arms of their identity group, various heroic quotes and other bullshit. Women tattoo flowers and fairies and hearts and clouds and horses and butterflies. Women pump silicone in their lips tits and ass and men shoot up steroids into their ass to get biceps, chest and abs. Men grow intricate beards and women color their hair purple, pink, white and other "soft" colors.

It's all a pathetic and ridiculous act. The best you can get is an innocent girl that dedicated herself to hard work in whatever field and has decent family values in her. Femininity is irrationality and banality, it's neuroticism and looking for faults in everything because femininity evolved to make sure food is safe, clothes are clean, children have all needs met, man is a gorilla to protect her or a musician who survives every war and that is it.

Without being preoccupied with housework, children and real problems, feminine mind will seek stuff to be scared, annoyed, emotional, complaining and so on which she has no place to be even thinking about.

This is also the safest time to be a man. No need to learn how to use weapons, no need to be physically strong, no need to be stoic, no need to be territorial, nothing to fight for and no rewards if you manage to dominate someone, indeed only punishments for acting out.

This is why men today find stupid stuff to be tribal about, like sports teams, politics and gaming.

[–]Thisisaghosttown 1 points1 points [recovered]

I’ve found this to be entirely true. I noticed at my university, you can’t get an Americana huge girl’s attention without acting like a total clown and doing autistic shit on Snapchat. The same goes with Tinder, you constantly need to be a jester to even have them notice you.

For whatever reason I find it a lot easier to click with the international students here, because a lot of the times a “hi how’re you?” opens up a door of endless possibilities with them. Most of the American white women here go after the dude acts out memes in real life and has goofy photos on his Instagram.

For me this doesn’t work because the whole clown act isn’t how I’m wired.

[–]Velebit 0 points1 point  (2 children)

American but I also think Australian and British etc women seem to care only about fun yolo lolz

[–]Thisisaghosttown 1 points1 points [recovered]

American definitely. My experience is very limited with Australian and British women. I met a few Australians while I was in East Asia and they seem to have a nice balance between fun and being able to hold a conversation. The again these were three of them who I met.

From my experience I click better with Asian and black women. Most Asian women who I’ve met I can talk to about my interests and experiences as well as there’s and they love it. For American women it’s almost like I have to speak another language (acting goofy) and the second I try to be conversational they lose interest.

I don’t know where you’re located but I’m in a city populated by high class liberal white people, the kind who wear Patagonia everywhere, who’s idea of a meal is free range Kale and fair trade IPAs. To analyze how TRP would, the “highest SMV” guys in my city and my university are the funny and goofy Dad bods who post goofy and funny selfies on their Instagram. Having a serious demeanor here gets you written off as a black sheep.

[–]Velebit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If by Asian you mean east Asian I only really went on a date with one. The only thing I can say is they KNOW more and have wider and more intelligent interest. Or at least this girl did haha. But she was one of the best conversationalists I dated in a long time.

Black women seem to be much more direct, almost like talking to a guy.

I think this comes from Anglosaxon simp mentality. There is something very Anglosaxon about wanting to spoil your women. I think it comes from ancient Angles being a fertility cult tribe. Feminism, SJW and other "humanitarian" and progressive ideas basically spread from Anglo influence.

Well I come from more of a serious east European mentality. I mean if you wanna see a clash of totally different mentalities just watch this

You have an American guy throwing jokes and trying to be sympathetic and entertaining, he is dissing his opponent and using a mix of DHV and advanced verbal shenanigans, he is all smiles, he is qualifying by reasoning and DHV

You have an east European (though raised in USA) with a idgaf, ultra humble, serious attitude, you can see he is confident but he is exact representation of the "confident beta" you are told to be by PUA for EE girls. Most communication Stipe does is with his facial expression. Very little DHV, often not even when it's handed to him.

You have an African spreading out, flexing his muscles and all other "alpha" stuff you can hear here, almost everything he says is DHV, when I match with African chicks, for example, I can immediately go for kinky open stuff and it works best.

You got a Turk, very respectful, very softspoken, he is confident but very mindful everything he says is dignifying. I guess when you would try to approach Muslim women in Turkey you would also have to take this approach. Turks face is a poker face, he shows almost no emotion whatsoever, very stoic. He cannot even connect when his opponent is bragging he is responding by trying to state facts and qualify by reasoning. You don't see idgaf, you see he feels obliged to defend his honor for every slight and does not react to sarcasm or jokes.

You can basically see the contrast between cultures and values they are brought up in through their communication style. You can also see the almost identical style of communication from various other EE fighters like Fedor, CroCop, Klitschko etc Same goes for Muslim fighters like Khabib etc... very respectful, softspoken, their handshakes also, very very soft, it's an insult in Muslim world if you shake a mans hand too hard

eastern cultures don't value clowning around or DEMOSTRATIONS while western cultures put it front and center... you gotta smile, you gotta joke, you gotta produce feelings in others and nobody really cares about what is inside

when will you hear a sentence like "I've got heart" from a western man who represents

[–]mcr00sterdota 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's like this in any Western country. There's a reason why most guys here in Australia bring back girls from Thailand and Philippines. Sure most of them have slept around (as do all women) but you can get one much younger and hassle free as opposed to dealing with an older crankier Australian woman for the same cost.

[–]evanalmighty19 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Bitches are crazy

[–]neverendingplush 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wish this wasn't so , because it seems all too simplified, but im gonna have to agree. very few men seem in proportion to women seem to develop crazy snowflake ideas you see on instagram and social media , in reference to body positivity, sexual orientation, and what they want from men. . they are worse then children, because they have the capacity for intelligence, but the emotional instability still from their youth.

[–]_MysticFox 1 points1 points [recovered]

Any tips for a dude going to visit London and Aarhus this summer?

[–]neverendingplush 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Go to Poland instead, .all I can say. Warsaw is amazing

[–]_MysticFox 1 points1 points [recovered]

Why's that?

[–]neverendingplush 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's cheap, every girl is attractive

[–]XT3M3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

in America you are better off going on the field and dating than online. online should only be used if you want frustration. at least in nyc.

[–]1anonlymouse 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Why do you ask them what their interests are? Why do you care? If you want to fuck them it doesn't matter if they're into 17th century history of wherever.

Trying to establish interests is beta behaviour, you're setting yourself up as a friend to hang out with. They know you want to fuck, you're a man. Trying to talk about interests is being indirect, it's trying to hide the very obvious fact that you want to fuck. It shows you're not confident, and it's a turn off. Being direct later isn't going to help. They already decided they didn't want to fuck you because you talked about interests early on.

[–]neverendingplush 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You can only Fuck so much, can I least communicate with them.

[–]1anonlymouse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Girls don't like guys who don't have guy friends. If you don't have men you can talk to to keep you intellectually satisfied, your SMV is lower than you think.

If you end up enjoying talking to her after you've fucked, by all means, talk to her. But don't make your fucking contingent on her being an interesting conversation partner.

[–]Narcissist456 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So then how do you establish comfort and break the stranger barrier?

[–]1anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By being hot enough that they want to fuck. Then you do something that doesn't bore them, that interests you, but you don't care what their interests are.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This post is so spot on I don't think you understand how on the nose you are with it.

[–]blackedoutfast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

women have an advantage over men in the sexual marketplace, but it's even bigger online. girls online are either playing around looking for validation and betas to buy them shit, or they're looking for a quick fuck from a really hot guy.

it sounds like you would do a lot better approaching girls in real life

[–]Werewolf35b 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Maybe your being arrogant. If I went to a strange place, a foreign country and was having trouble with the locals, I would first assume I was being the strange wierdo from another country with strange and wierd mannerisns, behaviors and attidudes.

Maybe your like a Balki Bartokomous and you just don't know it.

Oh, I see you say you "matched" women? Online? Lol.

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[–]Thisisaghosttown 1 points1 points [recovered]

Interesting video. I see what you mean. And I do mean Easy Asian, I went a few dates with a Chinese international student at my school, and like you’re experience, she was a great conversationalist, we could talk for hours. I could talk about all of my experiences and interests with her and it would be a great time. Same thing with the Easy Asians I met while I was in their country, I talk to them via Skype or other messaging apps frequently, and we can usually talk for hours. And it almost feels effortless.

With most American white women, at least for me, I can’t do that. They tend to only be able to communicate in this humorous, clown like language, and serious conversation seems like it’s not even a part of their culture. On the rare occasion I match with a typical white girl on Tinder, I usually can’t get a response to any message, and if I do, it’s usually one word messages.

I’ve no experience with middle Eastern women, there’s very few in my area. What I will say about black women is that I get the most attention from them out of any type of women. And I’m a 6’2” white guy of Slavic ethnicity. In my experience you can be very direct with black women. I find it very easy to talk with them as well. There’s a coffee shop on my campus and most of its employees are all black women, and anytime I go in it’s very easy for me to chat them up, and for whatever reason, they all know me, and always chomp at the bit to talk with me whenever I go to get my coffee. For white women I might as well be furniture on in the room.

When I first started using Tinder last year I matched with this one black girl, and as we started talking I told her she was real fuckable, and she started telling me all the different ways she wanted me to plow her. We swapped snapchats and the next thing I knew she was sending me nudes.

I’m not sure why the cultures are like this but I’m simply accepting them as they are. I think part of it is that in upper middle class white people world, they don’t have to worry about qualities like physical fitness, knowing how to use a weapon, knowing how to fight, knowing how to hunt, etc. to survive. This is why social status and comedy are the attributes that make you survive the education and employment areas of white American world.

For East Asians their values are based on discipline and success, not so much on social status.

[–]neverendingplush 0 points1 point  (1 child)

pretty accurate in my opinion. I use to live in seoul for 2 years, and the time I was there, I found Korean girls to be rather warm and quite hospitable, and fun to be around. hell I just fucked a Filipina a few days ago, and she was really cool as a person. Im a black dude and despite why statistics say, ive had the most luck with Asian women. cant count how many times girls on korea offered to pitch in financially, or even take me to dinner and pay.