Rant/VentingYou ever notice how there is no male fat acceptance movement or short acceptance movement it is because women and society do not care about you. (self.TheRedPill)

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Dove real beauty, countless social networking memes about real women have curves(which to them is 50 pounds overweight and obese) Lena dunham and many many more have stood up for women saying society is wrong and they are all beautiful.

Yet I do not see any of these "feminists" fighting for me under 6 feet for being hot, you never see a woman say this guy http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1556366 is how real men look. No memes about how short men look up to women and not look down like tall men and it is because of one very important reason that the red pill tries to teach us.

Society does not give a fuck about the male species, women under the age of 40 make more than men now and thats celebrated while men making more than women is patriarchy. Fat women are told they are beautiful short men are told they are worthless and need to stop complaining. As men we are not allowed to be victims only the oppressors women cannot empathize with us as they are the only one who knows how it feels to be victimized.

We are told you either get in shape make money and be manly or you are useless to your species, as a man you are not allowed to be lazy for you have male previlege. Why do you think MRA get such shit, because men cannot have real problems for they are men and just feel like whining not matter how justified they are.

So men out there never expect a woman to stand up for this guy http://timtamashiro.typepad.com/the_differents/2010/02/how-to-wow-a-nation-with-your-neck-beard.html

The only person you can count on is yourself not society not women only you.

[–]BorMato 78 points79 points  (14 children)

What is hilarious to me is that they don't seem to recognize the fact that the Dove campaign only exists to sell more of their product. Even the people who came up with the campaign don't think your obesity is beautiful, they just know you're stupid enough to buy into it and fork out your $$$.

[–]dvrzero 113 points113 points [recovered]

Fat people require more soap by default.

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What is this?

[–]gstone05 9 points9 points [recovered]

Dove is a brand under Unilever. Unilever also has some great products under the Axe Perfume brand. It makes sense to carry products for both women and men, and market accordingly.

[–]Fuck_off_Mr_Lehey 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i would buy tyler durden soap if marketed this way

[–]philosarapter 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Exactly. What many people don't seem to realize is that it isn't the 'patriarchy' thats selling them this impossible standard of beauty, its the beauty product companies, because making women feel shitty about themselves is good for business. Classic "create the disease; sell the cure" marketing.

The media is run by capitalist enterprises who make huge profit in making people feel inadequate enough to buy their product.

[–]BorMato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spoken like a true philosorapter

[–]COVERartistLOL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Couldn't the same be said for men. And selling them this impossible standard, so their buy more weights and gym equipment?

[–]CreepAcceptance 222 points223 points  (5 children)

Support Creep Acceptance movement. End creep shaming!

[–]Fundumpsters 190 points191 points  (0 children)

"Just because you aren't attracted to him doesn't mean he's not attractive! STOP CREEP SHAMING!!"

[–]_social_caterpillar 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'm not a creep, I just have "real" personality!

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Hahaha, love it!!

[–]Kronos6948 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This should really be a thing. It'd be hilarious!

[–]RG68 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Short man shaming really pisses me off. I'm 6 3 myself so I have no problems with height but I feel so bad for short dudes. Particularly short guys who hit the gym. It's a never ending stream of comments behind their back about how insecure they must be, or how obvious it is they are trying to compensate for being short. I'm like "fuck you, those guys already got dealt a bad hand in the attraction stakes, and now you are judging them for wanting to sculpt the best physique they possibly can?"

[–]blazingblue16 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Projection man, short guys are an easy target, since people wouldn't have the balls to shit on bigger dudes.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 178 points179 points  (10 children)

Weak women are supported and praised by society; weak men are simply deleted.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (4 children)

men are expected to be working constantly to improve their position, if they are in poverty people assume they are lazy

[–]blazingcopper 69 points70 points  (1 child)

That's why many of us are learning to protect our significant investment and never marry.

[–]jjshinobi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also why many father reminds their kids this every week.

[–]x7CR7x 21 points22 points  (0 children)

As pitiful as this is; I like it. it fuels my highly competitive nature to be better.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women have enormous protections when they're in poverty. As men, the amount of help is lopsidedly little. It increases significantly if he has a female dependent though. Feminism didn't push for equality here.

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[–]autowikibot 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Section 6. United States of article Gender differences in suicide:

In the United States, the male to female suicide death ratio varies between 3:1 to 10:1. Typically males die from suicide three to four times more often as females, and not unusually five or more times as often. Females report attempting suicide at a higher rate than males in the United States. When accounting for parasuicide, the rate between males and females shifts to 1:2. This is likely due to several factors, including a higher risk for depression among females in the United States. Use of mental health resources may be a significant contributor to gendered suicide rates in the US. Studies have shown that females are 13-21% more likely than males to receive a psychiatric affective diagnosis. While 72-89% of females who suicided had contact with a mental health professional at some point in their life, only 41-58% of males who suicided had made use of this resource.

Interesting: Suicide | Alcoholism | Life expectancy | Gender inequality

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[–]psycho-logical 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I would say joining the military is the biggest gender difference in this statistic (for the US).

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

But also see where it says that the rate is 1:2 if we take into account failed suicide attempts. Men are far better at killing themselves, because generally they don't attempt it for an ulterior motive, but rather because they wholly wish to die.

[–]RivalDealer666 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. We all know how women are when it comes to attention. Nothing guarantees months/years of it like a failed "attempt". Men typically wait until they are sure they want to go through with it, they will find the most efficient way to do it, and they'll do it.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Last neckbeard is epic! That guy stole my idea! He's got the muffler.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Do you really want someone to sell something to you based on their assumptions about your insecurities? That's all these marketing campaigns are.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 87 points88 points  (43 children)

Men don't need to be protected. It is assumed that we can fight for ourselves and any time we ask someone else to fight for us it is looked upon as a weakness. Women however aren't just allowed to be weak, but they are expected to be so. Women are put in the same category as children. Women and children first and all that.

Women are constantly in need of protection. Everything that happens to them is someone else's fault and of no blame to themselves. They could walk around drunk and naked and it wouldn't be any fault of theirs if something happened to them. Women's feelings are like a national treasure or something. We do everything in our power to protect those feelings even if we lose good men in the process.

So when a fat woman walks around fat as fuck with no inclination to stop being a fatty everyone has to come to the rescue. We have to attempt to warp reality to buffer them from the realization that being a fat fuck is pathetic. No one will do that to a man because no one fucking cares. No one cares about us. Our feelings are about as protected as pigs in a butcher shop. Some people fight for us but they are seen as crazy.

[–]Aaron565 37 points38 points  (3 children)

Thats fine and dandy until fucking feminists start complaining about how great men have it while they have always sat on their fat asses and demanded respect for doing nothing. Of course we dont believe that shit but our children do.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 8 points9 points  (2 children)

My kids don't and won't. I teach them how to detect stupidity. But I agree with you that most of society will be like that

[–]VelociReactor 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Most children do not have a strong male parental figure. Not to mention most public school teachers are women these days.

[–]ButterMyBiscuit 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Our feelings are about as protected as pigs in a butcher shop. Some people fight for us but they are seen as crazy.

Beautifully put.

[–]jmottram08 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Men don't need to be protected. It is assumed that we can fight for ourselves and any time we ask someone else to fight for us it is looked upon as a weakness. Women however aren't just allowed to be weak, but they are expected to be so. Women are put in the same category as children. Women and children first and all that. Women are constantly in need of protection.

Well, two things here. Women are weaker physically and emotionally. This is a physiological thing, not a societal thing.

Secondly, women are in constant need of protection. This is just an evolutionary fact. If half the males in a tribe die, the next generation is back to normal size. If half the females die, the next generation is half the normal size. It's an evolutionary imperative for males to protect the children and females.

Adding to this, much of TRP is about how to best handle women... and part of that is protection from other men. You wouldn't let your girlfriend go out and get drunk at a club alone... you would protect her from dangers, including ones that come from her.

I don't see any problem with any of this.

Everything that happens to them is someone else's fault and of no blame to themselves.

Now you have jumped into societal issues, and while correct, shouldn't be lumped in with evolutionary ones.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 9 points10 points  (2 children)

They are one in the same though. The reason that we have societal issues like protecting women (even from their own stupidity) is because of evolutionary conditioning.

Here's the thing. We don't live in a tribe anymore and until the world has a major shut down we won't be living in a tribe. The dynamics between the genders has changed a lot. Women aren't under constant threat anymore so they aren't in need of constant protection. Also since we aren't a tribe I don't give two fucks if the majority of women need protecting. If they can't handle their emotional instability then too fucking bad. None of us signed on to have to make a fat chick feel good about her fat self.

If women want to become subject to a man's rule then he can be protected by his resources. That's the tribe mentality right there. Women no longer want that contract and are doing whatever the fuck they want. Men in turn are doing whatever the fuck we want. The majority of us don't feel like being captain save-a-hoe. If that's for you then fine, but it isn't for me.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

They'd be more well behaved if they had to earn their protection and validation

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Agreed but that isn't the way society is anymore. We have to learn and adapt. It isn't a tribe mentality and daddy government will always step in to make sure their protection and needs are met. We have no such blanket to cover our asses. It is up to each of us as individuals to fix ourselves because no one else gives a shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

fair enough but don't expect me to let any of them share my success

[–]ss4james_ 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Honestly, I think it's a bit worse for a guy to be super fat than for a woman. Woman's bodies do tend to hold onto fat more than men's, this is for childbearing reasons. Testosterone give us a leg up on all that physical stuff anyway.

However, building muscle mass and definition is harder than not getting fat....

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 14 points15 points  (3 children)

If you are talking a "little" extra weight then ya I agree with you. If you are talking a sickening amount then I think both genders are equally pathetic. Too much fat on a woman ruins any attractiveness same as it does on a man.

[–]ss4james_ 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah, but I think the blame often lays with the parents of these people as well. Back in the 80's and 90's there wasn't nearly the focus on health as there is today. But even today, I know of people who give their 2+ years olds soda and shit like that. I'm not going to call all fat people pathetic simply because some of them are actually victims of shitty parenting.

The important thing I think we can agree on is that if you're fat, you should be taking steps to better yourself, whether you're male or female. Also, let's not sugar coat it with this "fat shaming" and "fat acceptance" nonsense.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I used to be a fat dude. I've lost a lot of weight and I am still working on losing the rest. I have about 10-15 pounds left to go. Being fat sucks. You are invisible to people and it's unhealthy as hell. Putting on your socks is a trial. Anyone who would rather live that life of unhealthy laziness rather than going out and striving to become better should be called pathetic. I was pathetic and I know that. I won't let myself get back to that point.

[–]SLUDGEBORG 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's true, but a fat woman still has a fair amount of SMV, while a fat guy is the bottom of the sexual value scale for society.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

However, building muscle mass and definition is harder than not getting fat....

I find the inverse to be true. I find it easy to gain muscle and harder to lose weight.

[–]dvrzero 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Speak for yourself shitlord

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[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 2 points3 points  (7 children)

You've been trolling here for the last few days. Hopefully you are enjoying yourself and learning something.

K first off if you notice the deeper meaning in most of this sub, it isn't about hatred of women. It is about hatred of a weaker self. We hate the guys that we used to be. We hate the guys that are like how we used to be. Very few of the people here are actually natural alphas and so we have a history of regretful actions that make us cringe to look back on knowing what we know now. So it is exactly like you say. We hate manginas and white knights. We can't stand them. We kind of hope that they will change their mindset but no one is holding their breath for that to happen.

And you're right in that we don't blame women that much for being so entitled. A woman came in here and made a post asking what we would do if we were a beautiful woman. Most of the guys answered that we would do the exact things that most of us have claimed to hate. They would take men for everything they have and give nothing in return.

Most men are really stupid when it comes to women. They can be geniuses and have a great mind but have no thinking power when it comes to resisting a woman. The chemicals that go flowing through a man's mind when he falls in love is similar to being high on cocaine. Lots of rushes without much in the way of thinking.

With that in mind would it be fair to blame men for being taken advantage of? If the reason that men protect women and allow an entitlement mentality is equivalent to being addicted to a drug, shouldn't women shoulder some of the blame for taking advantage of them? All interesting questions without a clear answer.

Here's what I know. White knights suck. They fuck it up for the rest of us. But a woman who refuses to become self aware and gets the addle minded idiot men to constantly destroy themselves for her isn't a good person. A woman that tries to justify her own obesity as healthy or beautiful is rationalizing her own shitty decisions and trying to set the blame on those that don't find her attractive.

Also wanted to point out that it isn't the ideas of men to protect women. Notice that when a woman needs protecting she ALWAYS looks to a man to do that protecting. It is ingrained in us. Fat chicks cry to the media to change reality to conform in a way to make them feel better. So yeah I can say it is fair to blame women for this.

[–]TP_2 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Funny thing is: short acceptance / bald acceptance would actually make sense. Because these truly are things that you cannot change.

Fat acceptance is just a bunch of lazy assholes that don't want to put down the cheetohs and get on a fuckin treadmill.

Fortunately for women, the only things men care about are things that can be changed. Fat women can get thin. Small titty women can get implants. Men dont care if chicks are short or tall for the most part.

So basically fat acceptance is women complaining that men have any standards at all and another BS way of them trying to remain accountable for nothing in their lives.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Some TRP guerilla ontologist should totally start one as a massive troll.

[–]dsav2 55 points56 points  (17 children)

White-knightism is an utterly disgusting thing that has gained popularity in society. We have so many men who think that women are the fairer and weaker sex (while simultaneously thinking that gender is a social construct like 1984's doublethink), so that they need to be coddled and protected.

That's why society helps weak women, but not weak men. It's because the knights subconsciously think they'll get sex from women by protecting them, and they don't bother to do the same with men.

[–]dr_bloodmoney 34 points35 points  (1 child)

It goes beyond disgusting. Cops will go kick a man's door in and raid his house on the word of a woman.

[–]Schrodingersdawg 18 points19 points  (4 children)

So the answer is to get the gay community behind the male fat / creep acceptance movement. Feminists won't be able to decide which side to stand on. Exploding hamsters in 3... 2...

[–]DrDalenQuaice 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Inconsistency never stopped them before, just watch feminists defend Muslim culture and you'll see the insanity

[–]smokeybehr -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

If you could harness the cognitive dissonance generated by the Left as an energy source, we wouldn't need to worry about the supply of coal.

[–]Ididerus 9 points10 points  (0 children)

don't want to start a political discussion here, but if you think the "left" has a monopoly on cognitive dissonance you're seriously mistaken. We all hold some number of fallacies beyond reproach.

[–]luciansolaris 0 points1 point  (0 children)


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[–]YOU_ARE_A_TOY 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I wish you were around more often to tell this to men who think women are the weaker sex "just because they're women." I don't think they realize the ignorance of their words. You described White-Knightism and its issues very well.

[–]jmottram08 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I wish you were around more often to tell this to men who think women are the weaker sex "just because they're women."

Um... women are both the fairer and weaker sex. Believing this isn't against TRP. Only if you take those beliefs and turn them into "women are perfect and aren't responsible for their actions" do you turn into a white knight.

So yeah. I think women are the fairer sex. Because I am straight.

And yeah, I think women are the weaker sex... which is why I lead relationships.

Explain to me how you disagree with this.

[–]Senior ContributorRedPope 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know you get it, but in case anybody else doesn't: When we say women are the "fairer" sex, we are referring to the 4th definition of the word:

fair — adj

  1. free from discrimination, dishonesty, etc; just; impartial

  2. in conformity with rules or standards; legitimate: a fair fight

  3. [...]

  4. beautiful or lovely to look at

Men who believe the first two definitions will inevitably suffer a rude awakening. Women can be as biased, dishonest, and crooked as the worst of all men. They are weaker, so they hide it out of necessity. But once one of these women feels confident she has a dominant hand, once she believes in her heart that you are beneath her, all that bottled up venom will gush out in a tidal wave of cruelty and hate.

Every one of them, every single one, has this reservoir of poison building up inside, just waiting to spill over. Why is she bringing up some argument from four years ago? Because that's how long its been festering.

[–]YOU_ARE_A_TOY 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you misread, because I also don't think I explained myself clearly. My intention wasn't to say women aren't physically smaller/weaker than men. They are, I agree. Basically, the men who think "I am man, you are woman, have sex with me" without being a RP man frustrate me. Sex doesn't fall into your lap when you bend over backwards for a woman just because she's a female. That's what I meant by men thinking women are the weaker sex, thinking they should just "get women" by being male, but I could have used a better term.

[–]blazingcopper -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Doublethink. Excellent word. It's like how some people ferociously think evolution and survival of the fittest is more legit than creationism (bear with me here just making a point) but will heavily support welfare systems for minorities and single mothers.

[–]1KingofRiders 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Evolution and 'survival of the fittest' are not the same thing at all, unless you mean 'natural selection.' In which case natural selection only works on a long term basis where evolution can occur. Which is too long a term for welfare to matter. Also nearly 100% of selection pressure is on men and not women so supporting women likely won't dilute the genepool.

The dinosaurs, for example. Roamed the earth as kings for hundreds of millions of years and were wiped out in a few thousand years because of a giant space rock. In this case the fittest were shrew like mammls who hid away in the dirt. And so physical weakness/dependency =! fittest to survive.

Note also that if we're going to base our political ideologies on the 'natural world' then humans survived the hunter gatherer era by both competition with other tribes AND supporting the women and children and other tribe members.

I probably wouldn't rag on your post as much as I am if it was relevant to the redpill but you're just spouting your own bullshit political views and trying to defend them with a weak understanding of natural selection.

[–]Kubomi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thinking evolution is a more rational explanation of how we got to where we are than creationism doesn't imply that people who are evolutionists think that we as humans should just keep playing by nature's zero-sum, survival-of-the-fittest rules; Poor comparison (pun unintended).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Stealing this for my roommate, who is simultaneously a jerk for ripping on white knights while working extremely hard to shield his SO from everything under the sun.

[–]robesta 35 points36 points  (1 child)

If you're fucking the girl, its not white knighting.

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[–]Rainymood_XI 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Unhealthy is never beautiful

Oh god my sides

[–]Stopher 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's pretty funny. It's like, "Everyone else needs to lower their standards. Except for me." The hamstering is strong in that thread.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Stop giving a shit what society tells you.

On either end of the spectrum. Don't let it go to your head when society tells you you're great, don't let it get you down when society tells you you're not.

[–]dreckmal 53 points54 points  (22 children)

There is no acceptance of fat or short men because the world does not cater to men. The world has never, ever catered to males. Period.

Being a man means going out and getting shit done, despite what the world thinks, says or does. It is not the worlds job to accept you. It is your job to be a man.

[–]blazingcopper 19 points20 points  (6 children)

That's why make suicide rates are higher. It's all on our shoulders. All the responsibility and shit.

[–]super-zap 8 points9 points  (4 children)

According to this, the success of suicide rates is higher for men. Attempted suicides are in favor of females:


It's another story why that's the case. It could be suicide method preferences and/or higher rates of pretend suicides or a host of other issues.

[–]luciansolaris 14 points15 points  (0 children)


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[–]Kronos6948 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Some people really mean to kill themselves. Some are just attention whores.

[–]1kick6 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Attempted suicides are in favor of females

You mean high-voltage attentionwhoring. It's so incredibly easy to kill yourself that, if you fail at it, it's probably because you meant to fail.

[–]autowikibot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Section 6. United States of article Gender differences in suicide:

In the United States, the male to female suicide death ratio varies between 3:1 to 10:1. Typically males die from suicide three to four times more often as females, and not unusually five or more times as often. Females report attempting suicide at a higher rate than males in the United States. When accounting for parasuicide, the rate between males and females shifts to 1:2. This is likely due to several factors, including a higher risk for depression among females in the United States. Use of mental health resources may be a significant contributor to gendered suicide rates in the US. Studies have shown that females are 13-21% more likely than males to receive a psychiatric affective diagnosis. While 72-89% of females who suicided had contact with a mental health professional at some point in their life, only 41-58% of males who suicided had made use of this resource.

Interesting: Suicide | Alcoholism | Life expectancy | Gender inequality

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[–]Texas_Rangers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's no joke for sure.

[–]EVILEMU -1 points-1 points [recovered]

The world has never, ever catered to males.

A little short-sighted don't you think? Women haven't even been able to vote for as long as men. Women are still oppressed in many societies around the world. It hasn't even been too long in America that they've been treated "equally" and worshiped for their vaginas. This promiscuous trend isn't that old. I agree that men have always provided for women, but you can't say that women never got a shitty deal in societies where they are put in the corner and not allowed to speak their mind. There's places where men could beat their wives. You sound like you're saying men have always been the victim, but that is just not true.

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[–]EVILEMU 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Checking out those links, i'll make a reply when i'm done.

EDIT: the "trading up, instead of down" line really hit home in reference to how women wanted to switch places with men now because the technological advances as well as other developments made living as a male much easier, but they didn't before when things were tough for men. This video is very informative, you're correct. Thanks for the link! It illustrates well that women had been provided for and men had it pretty shitty, a good example was the Inuit people.

[–]1kick6 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women are still oppressed in many societies around the world.

Only if you define oppression the same way the feminists do. Traditional gender roles is not oppression. Control of female sexuality is not oppression. It's just good social policy.

Case in point: look how far America is down the shitter now that we've stopped these two things. We can't even get these "liberated" tarts to reproduce at replacement rates so we have to import third worlders.

[–]logi_thebear 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Not being allowed to speak your mind isn't oppression. Would you say that punishing your child for talking back is oppression? No. Why? They have a limited experience, undeveloped cognitive ability, and contribute nothing. Not that I think women should be beaten, only a weak man has to beat his wife to achieve dominance.

[–]EVILEMU 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would classify not being to speak your mind as oppression to an extent. I understand not saying offensive or inciting things, but having the freedom to talk and be talked to like a person who's opinion is valued is a pretty nice thing to have. google defines oppression as "prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control." control over speech was a mild example, not the flagship of my post.

only a weak man has to beat his wife to achieve dominance

That doesn't make her un-beaten. i'm talking down to the societies that allowed that (and still do).

I agree with your statement on children. I agree that women have been provided for forever. I agree that women have been more closely protected. The other reply to my root post was very informative and changed the way I look at this. I recognize that my post was ignorant. I'm glad I could learn something. Here's the video if you haven't watched it, it describes the issues with the history of women pretty damn well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUMifHT1AwY

[–]SgtBrutalisk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Punishment only makes sense if the child showed a malevolent intent. Otherwise, accidents happen all the time, do you think it's fair that a child should be punished for an accident?

[–]roamingjerk 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The world has never, ever catered to males. Period.


[–]dreckmal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Islam was created my men. The world didn't give men Islam. And the 'privileges' males receive in Islam are counter-balanced by social responsibilities.

Males in Islamic society hold all responsibility towards society and family. When a wife fucks something up, generally in Islam, the man is responsible for it. Not the woman. Same for kids. Men are responsible to society for the actions of his family.

That isn't catering to males.

I guess I don't see your point.

[–]football1010 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your wrong, males in the Islamic religion also have a greater burden of responsibility than women.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 56 points57 points  (3 children)

On a related note, feminists will often declare that it's wrong to shame a woman for her sexual history, and in the same breath shame men who are virgins.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 28 points29 points  (1 child)

That shit is so funny to me. How dare you mock sluts you virgin! Their sex lives are their own business!

[–]VelociReactor 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Gotta love that "How Dare you" line.

[–]Cameltoezors 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I was on a thread with a fat chick defender who had the nerve to claim a guy must have a "small dick". Say what?

[–]JB31885 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Do we really need people patting us on the back when we're overweight telling us it's great? I sure don't, I know I look like crap when I'm fat and I know how much better I've felt after losing that fat. Same goes for money, talent and confidence.

If these women want to treat each other like they're in preschool and give themselves a gold star for jamming cookies down their faces I say let them. The only ones who will buy into it are the white knights. Anyone who's honest with themselves isn't fooled by this bullshit. I say ignore it.

[–]ComradePsycho 22 points23 points  (6 children)

Lurking here allows a lot of stuff to start making sense for me. Feels good.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Welcome welcome man. I hope it helps you as much as it has helped me.

[–]ComradePsycho 2 points3 points  (2 children)

after reading this I went back to some TV since I've got some free time today, and wouldn't you know it there was a fat-loss commercial for women on.

talk about double-think. women need to lose weight, yet need to be accepted for who they are…. what?

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The world is so confusing at times that the only proper response is to laugh.

[–]ComradePsycho 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i do. get weird looks for it but that won't bother me.

[–]mctoasterson 28 points29 points  (5 children)

Men with small dicks, beer guts, and crappy jobs demand society respect REAL BEAUTY.

[–]dvrzero 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Try Bud Light

[–]heist_of_saint_graft -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How's that gonna make his dick bigger?

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Madison Avenue is listening.

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[–]otiswild 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey, some of us have good jobs..

[–]scamper_22 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Karen Straughan has some really good videos on this. The main point being that men need to prove they are useful to be valuable.

Women feel they are valuable just because they exist.

Let us basically treat that as the starting point. So we know why we all think the way we do. A fat woman is still going to think she's valuable just because she exists. A fat man is going to think he is useless.

She also says that as men need to prove their worth, we are always competing with other men and so we don't just form alliances with men just because they're men. We need a common goal or purpose or something.

Whereas women can form bonds with women solely on the basis that they're other women. They can have nothing in common with them, but still bond. More importantly, they value belonging, so they belong to the women's tribe and thus will support those in that tribe.

So we see that women will support the fat acceptance movement for women.

Now men, we don't have a fat acceptance movement for me. 1. We like to be useful and prove our worth. A fat lazy man is not something we want to support. 2. We don't support our fellow man just because they're a man.

Should we get upset that feminists try to improve the lot of women and not apply the fat acceptance movement to men? Meh, why get angry? All you really need to do is let the babies be babies and not deal with them and make sure they get their dose of reality. At best, make sure the reigns of power don't go to reward these people.

If you really want fat acceptance for men, then support your fellow man :P But we're not really going to do that. We have higher expectations and we know society will go to shit if we lowered our expectations and accepted everything as is.

And yes society doesn't give a shit about men. But more importantly, men don't give a shit about men. And how can we expect women to give a shit about men, if men don't give a shit about men. This is especialyl true of feminists who we know work against men constantly. We don't have a right to fckin complain.

I'm not saying we should become lazy and have no standards and support a man fat movement. I'm just saying, complaining about female hypocrisy in this regard is just silly when we don't give a shit about other men.

[–]Iknwican[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is a great point men do not care about men in the same way as women and that may be a big reason for there being no such movements. Yet I am not advocating for a male fat acceptance movement, I just wanted to let men out there know that they can only rely on themselves and nobody else.

Also women will work together unless they see the other as competition landwhales aren't worried about other landwhales stealing their resources or men. Yet as we all know once one of them loses weight, they are ridiculed, shamed, and cast out because men strive to be better than other men, while women strive to the best bitch around anyway possible.

[–]scamper_22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, I agree. I got the sense that you can only rely on yourself as the whole.

[–]FortunateBum 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Men are disposable. All women have inherent worth (because of their vaginas).

[–]Doctor_Mayhem 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Used to be the case. Now, they're lining up to toss away their trump card so they can have that 'glorious' career.

Heh... They traded their wombs to be expendable men who lack upper-body strength.

[–]wtf_isthissh 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Newsflash. Men are not the important mate in terms of breeding. We are the disposable sex by and large.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

Men are just as important as women in terms of breeding.

[–]Blood_Vaults 13 points14 points  (6 children)

If you needed to repopulate something in a heartbeart, which would you rather have?

100 men and 1 woman

1 man and 100 woman

Men are expendable for the most part. I'm sorry but it's true. We fight the wars. We suffer the most privation from hardships. There's always a beta chump lurking in the shadows waiting to captain save-a-ho a faire maiden should she be in peril. There's no on waiting to save us from our mistakes.

An incentive for our hardships and sacrifices is regular access to sex with fit, chaste, and pleasant partners. Women have forsaken their part of the societal contract, no need to honor our part of the deal until they get back on the saddle.

[–]DrDalenQuaice 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Just 100 women please. What am I supposed to do with the man?

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[–]DrDalenQuaice 4 points5 points  (0 children)

God gave me two hands for a reason

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[–]EricTheRedd 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Well I do not accept being a sweaty fat fuck so I'm doing something about it! 36lbs down, 100 to go! And I've already got ladies clamoring for my affection but I can't let them sidetrack me. I need to take care of myself before I even want to think about wasting time and resources on women.

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[–]EricTheRedd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know but I'm only 3 month into TRP and am trying really hard to break old habits. I'd much rather wait and focus on myself, and continuing to improve before focusing on anything else. Believe me, I want to be out there slaying it but until I'm more comfortable in my own skin I know it's just going to hinder me.

[–]clocked_it 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good deal man, keep it up.

[–]yaboydave67 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is this MRA? Who gives a fuck, just focus on improving yourself and stop worrying about this kind of stuff- all it does is cause stress.

[–]billnye_theRPguy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When the woman can SEE shes fat and unattractive, and she knows she's not going to attract the men she wants. She thinks she can change society to think she's beautiful and average so some of the high value men will give her a chance. That's all it is, just another form of hamstering. There are few if at any at all people that actually publicly "shame" fat women, their insecurity about their weight and beauty is just translated into magazines, media and advertising because they're responsive to it.

[–]ALexusOhHaiNyan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, I didn't notice that.

Just like we all haven't noticed the lack of acceptance movement for broke chicks driving shitty cars - there's no need. They still get laid like fat rich men. Society doesn't "care" about cute poor women just like they don't "care" about fat rich men - because they're elites in their own gender hierarchy.

Women value status. Men value looks. Period.

No need for victimology here - there's obstructive bitching on all sides and this smells like it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One way to be a man is to not cry about things that you can't change, and it's hilarious to think that anyone can force social acceptance of things like height and body weight. We like tall thin muscular people and see them as ideal. It doesn't mean you're finished if you aren't 6", it means you need to not care about it because it really isn't a big deal.

Body language, posture, gestures, eye contact, projecting your voice - master these and let's see if you have issues. Master though.

If we put a fat girl in front of a guy and yelled at him to find her attractive, and he didn't to begin with, would he over time? Maybe as a result of isolation and options, but not because our species likes signs of bad health or less desirable qualities in people.

Think of it like this - who would ask to be shorter? Not many people. But this is something you have to work with that you can't change, like being bald, having a clubbed foot, a third arm, whatever. This movement on TRP to discuss the harrows of being short should focus efforts on other attributes.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ding ding ding ding

I've noticed this for a long time. Thanks for bringing it up.

[–]zer0nix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bullshit. For as long as I can remember, I have heard of girls who express interest in 'big men' and 'husky' men.

Likewise, there has been an explosion in the use of the word 'bear' to decribe big, hairy guys and I'm sure some of that is just to show the world that such guys shouldnt be embarrassed about their appearance and to go on with lving life.

Furthermore, it is a stereotype that females care less about appearance than other attributes. If you are fat, you have to compensate, but then again no one is born awesome or fuckable.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but..


They may try to shove that shit down your throat, but your stomach's just going to throw it right back up.

[–]Link_GR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, because as a man you are expected to have other tools at your disposal to wow a mate than looks. If you are fat, you can do something about it instead of crying in a tub of Ben and Jerry's. If you are short, you accept that and try to be more interesting and fun. If you are an unattractive woman, that option does not exist. Most guys won't care.

[–]MostHumansAreStupid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love the ending, "The only person you can count on is yourself".. so true. Society is hypocritical and people are out for their own gains at the expense of others.

[–]archeasterisk 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I don't buy it, not completely. I mean, if man can control his physical environment he can damn well do the same socially. We don't need to go full egalitarian but the opposite extreme would be systematic social Darwinism which is equally disgraceful. We should emphasize self improvement always but also have a safety net for those who truly did nothing to deserve their circumstance. At least legalize brothels/mail order brides to prevent the George Sodini's of the world committing suicide and taking a few others out with them.

[–]VelociReactor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not like short guys can just sprout a few inches on command...

[–]Pires007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I thought these were just marketing tactics...

[–]Blood_Vaults 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Men are expendable that is true, any sane society would have it that way. (Un)Fortunately, America no longer deserves our sacrifices gentlemen.

[–]MockingDead 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Unfortunately this is true, and not going to change anytime soon.

My height just got sent below average in the West.

This is nt the place to try and change society. Get fit, learn to be witty and not give a fuck. Then go to Asia. I don't find Asians attractive, so I'm fucked there.

[–]archeasterisk 5 points6 points  (2 children)

There's always Mexico. Doesn't get much manlier than anti-narco militias.

[–]MockingDead 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Lol. I have an allergic reaction to pain and bullet holes. Maybe when my T returns to normal.

[–]Blood_Vaults 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You get used to it

[–]SgtSplacker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so caught up in the double standard I never even realized this.

[–]sirron811 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm short and fat and now I'm angry.

[–]biffsocko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a guy on the big side of the spectrum. I've never had problems dating women. Wanna know why? I got swagger.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Real men don't care about fat chicks who are self absorbed. Let the white knights and betas have them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Don't forget the omega males too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Omegas can drool over them but even they are beneath most fat chicks.

[–]Aaron565 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There is really only one way to combat this. Self improvement and calling out bullshit. Every-time you see a load of redpill bullshit you vocally call it out and then spend the next half hour improving yourself.

[–]deathbytypewriter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought the male fat acceptance movement was get tattoos and grow a beard and you're good to go.

[–]rj88631 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I work out for myself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These fat acceptance movements are all a load or horse shit.

Sure they are fat and I accept that as does the rest of society. There may be a minor part of community which is hostile towards them but that is really minor.

Where they are trying to get acceptance is so people can find them attractive and that is never going to happen. They are just wasting their time. Now I like curves myself and a few extra kilos but there is a big difference between that and fat/obese. It is extremely rare I have seen a girl that is big and sexy and there is a point where the extra weight distorts anyone into being ugly as fuck.

Even the most tolerant of people is going to think "Fucking fat bitch" if you are stuck behind them on a footpath or something. The second you start interfering with other peoples lives you can expect hostile reactions. I can't just sit my ass down in the middle of a footpath without getting abused so why do they think they should be treated any differently?

[–]incraved 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think society traditionally protected women more with the expense of giving them less freedom. Honestly, I think in many societies women were treated kind of like cattle.. Of course, in those same societies men were sent to die in hundreds in battles like robots, so it wasn't particularly bad for women.

In the modern society it's different to some extent of course, I was just showing how I think this came to happen that we care more about women.

[–]long-lostfriend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is because shorter MEN shouldn't need to be validated like this.

[–]RedLeaderFlyingBy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, do more swings and eat less crap food and you won't have to worry about it.

Yeah, for men overall it sucks. And for women overall it's awesome, until the illusion all comes crashing down.

Focus on what you can do for yourself.

[–]Offensive_Brute 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly I think there is no male fat acceptance movement because, as a fat guy I've noticed thats whats held me back more than my weight is a lack of confidence caused by my weight, and not so much how other people perceive me and treat me. Its a confidence issue cause by my own insecurities, its almost all coming from inside. Bitches look at me, and they smile and flip their hair, prettier women than I'd expect too. They pass me the ball, they invite me to play, and often I just drop the ball because I'm down on myself. I doubt I'm the only at guy having this experience. Its just a matter of being self aware and honest enough to recognize the problem and address it openly. Its not them, Its you. While your weight is part of the problem, its not the bottom line. We see here plenty of fat guys who lose weight and still lack the confidence to be successful with women. And we do ocassionally see fat guys who are not apparently wealthy, with women an observer would be considered to be out of their league.

Thinking on it a bit more now, every sitcom with a middle aged fat oaf with a shitty job and a bangin wife is a male fat acceptance advert.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Advice: drinking water helps you vomit up big meals (chug, puke, chug, puke) and tallmenshoes... Google it.

Yeah it's cheating... no different than push-up bras.

[–]Junglefart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its because fat men and short men dont consider themselves victims and whine all day.

[–]philosarapter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its incredible how obsessed with image women are. They always make it sound like its all men's fault that women are so image obsessed. But I don't think so. I think they perpetuate that shit on their own, in their own rat race to see who is the 'hottest'. Because in a woman's world, beauty is power.

[–]alfabro91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a man if you let someone's mean comments about your height, weight, penis size, bald spot or whatever get to you, you have failed a shit test. Failing a shit test means that women see you as not worthy of their pussy, and other men see you as not worthy of their respect. This is how men are divided into winners and losers. Women are all just women. There are different degrees of desirability among them, but there are no winners and losers. If you have a pussy, there are going to be men willing to fuck it.

It's just how we are biologically wired.

[–]IsThisNameValid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Building off some of the comments here, the femenist movement kicked off in the 60s/70s. In the 2 or so generations since, we have gotten participation medals and metrosexuality. Not to mention kids not being taught how lose with dignity. I'm all for treating women fairly, but we need to look at the unintended consequences of it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sweet, I get to be the underdog. All the rules of society are against me. Makes it all the more satisfying when I win. I would be bored with the life of a woman. I'm out of shape at the moment, but fixing that has made me happier than ever. So let the women have their fat acceptance. As long as I don't have to fuck them.

[–]The3rdWorld 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i think what happens is people feel society isn't showering them with enough praise and attention often gather together and share things which they can all agree on, so the fat woman you mentioned is posting on tumbler about how she don't need no man and all men are the patriarchy meanwhile a short dude with a complex is posting on reddit about how all womens are the feminazi and he's a MGHOW who don't need no woman, etc, etc, etc...

While SRS is the vitriolic rage of women who feel society has cheated them so TRP is the vitriolic rage of losers who feel society has cheated them... and yes, society probably has cheated ALL of you in some way or other and it is probably legitimately being totes unfair, i'm the tall and strong sort that society adores - if i didn't have nice hair, smooth skin, firm yet supple buttocks, etc, etc then i'd probably be pissed off at how easy the more beautiful set are treated; i do like to think i'd cultivate my mind to make up for it but of course i've done my best to those affects anyway, it's hard to see how simply having an ugly visage would improve my scholastic abilities, indeed maybe without the little boost in grades my teachers gave me for being good looking i might not have been interested at all in any form of academic delight - maybe even the urge to self-improvement stems somewhat from the desire to balance my god given graces with those hard-forged and it's this which inspired my studies? one might then guess mayhaps that born ugly i'd simply have sat around playing shooting games and complaining about the feminists and the gays who have ruined my life...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry, but I find your post as illogical as anything.

I get this feeling you are trying to gloat &/or troll.

Call it gut instinct...I've seen douchebags like yourself before.

Go do that trolling/gloating elsewhere since putting in what you are seems only to be troll bait to fan the flames of a rookie TRPer unexperienced with a lack of knowledge on how to combat what you've said .

TL;DR You come off crass and didn't need to include half the shit in your post and give the impression of a pompous pretty boy and a false pretense of dominant aesthetical genes over the internet.

EDIT : OH and for the record I'm 6'01" tall. Lanky, blond and blue. But I don't feel the need to state that because it adds NOTHING to my argument.

[–]zer0nix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop fucking whining and go be awesome.

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[–]dvrzero 9 points10 points  (3 children)

This isn't 4chan or circle jerk. The "mission" is to take care of yourself cuz ain't no one else give a fuuuuuuuuck.

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[–]jcrpta 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Think of it as a sort of combination of explaining RP ideas and support network dedicated to helping individuals help themselves rather than trying to change society.

I'd hazard a guess that most RP'ers are here because we're not getting enough sex. If RP theory were more socially acceptable, it wouldn't help any of us one iota. If anything, it'd make things worse because it'd be acceptable for the "best" men to have a harem of women; women would compete to be part of a desirable man's harem and the bottom 80% of men would never get laid at all.

Most of us know full well that the reason we're not getting enough sex today is because we'd fall squarely in that bottom 80%. That, after all, is why we're not getting laid enough.

Society has made it possible for us to get some, which is nice, but ultimately it's trying to override millions of years of evolution. Which, let's face it, ain't gonna happen.

But the beauty of it all is that we don't need to change society. We need to change ourselves. Put ourselves in the top 20%.

[–]watersign -1 points0 points  (0 children)

its female solispism at its finest

[–]subtasticdan -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Since I have developed a gut I am invisible to women. When I get home I jerk off to fat girls I saw on the subway. I'm never getting laid again. It sucks.

[–]VelociReactor 12 points13 points  (1 child)

You're never getting laid again because you're a little cry-baby. shut the fuck up and go to the gym.

I'd bet that your un-attractiveness to women is more likely your lack of confidence than your physical appearance.

It doesn't matter what you look like if she's getting the gina tingles.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 8 points9 points  (0 children)

you're a little cry-baby. shut the fuck up and go to the gym.

Ha, yeah! I love that brutal shit like this can be upvoted here. It's the only thing that might actually help that guy.

/u/subtasticdan if I lived in NY, I'd run with you or workout with you or encourage you in whatever way I could, man. But VelociReactor is right, and OP is right. Sounds like you know it - doesn't sound like you're making excuses. But it does sound like you've accepted your current state, or are on the edge of accepting it. Don't. Don't give up man. Fight. That's the meaning of life. Fight.

[–]CallMeMrBadGuy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can you seriously stop being a bitch? Goddamn that's annoying. Nobody is going to fat accept your ass. Get your fucking ass to the gym. Lower your caloric intake. Eat better. Sitting here sulking isnt going to do nothing for you. There is no captain save a dude. Only captain save a hoes.

Secondly, if your that incredibly lazy to improve yourself physically then you need to improve your standing in society. That means earn the thing that women find attractive. Money or Influence.

[–]Blood_Vaults 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This problem is easily fixable. This is why a virtuous man would have no sympathy for an overweight woman complaining her lack of SMV relevance. She could easily increase her numerical value 2-3 points at least by adopting a more health lifestyle.

It's an easy problem to rectify if you really want it, if you're willing to educate yourself, and if you're willing to put yourself through a little bit of pain. If you're unwilling to invest in yourself, you don't deserve to live.

If you're anywhere near So Cal PM me, i'll get you started if you give me a few hours of your time every saturday.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude...put that fucking soda down. Close your laptop and go for a jog/walk. Only YOU can help yourself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it's that bad, get a hooker.

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[–]Iknwican[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It is not a pity party about wishing society would kiss our asses like women. It is about how no one is going to hold your fucking hand in this world and either, you shut up and make something of yourself or be thrown away.

[–]positiveeagle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Real women have an eating disorder.

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