What are your views on "Joe Rogan on 'Incels' "? (self.askTRP)
submitted 2 months ago by RM_Slays
I am talking about this video
So here joe rogan talks that incels needs to become men, become disciplined, lift, do some martial arts and become more attractive. It is actually that simple.
I thought this was pretty red pill.
[–]Shtafoo 147 points148 points149 points 6 months ago (34 children)
It is actually quite simple. Incels are so full of bad mental patterns that they won’t even bother changing a thing about themselves. They have this vision of Chad, who’s this godlike figure with a six figure salary and facial genetics of a greek god. It’s quite easy to get jealous if that’s today’s standard (it’s not).
I think it’s pretty shallow to live a materialistic life filled with chasing girls you don’t even like and chasing cars you never drive - when you’ve actually got a few free hours.
Today on the frontpage of Reddit I saw a picture, it said ‘Music was better when ugly people were allowed to make it’ That resonated so much, I mean we can all agree on the decline of the music industry the past few years because hot Instagram musicians with a million likes became the new standard.
Incels lack a purpose in life and are afraid to take action. They rather keep each other company and go from self pity to a circle pity.
[–]sorryforthelifestory 46 points47 points48 points 6 months ago (20 children)
Plenty of the most popular musicians out now are ugly af. Travis Scott and Lil Uzi come to mind.
[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points 6 months ago (0 children)
How are you going to talk about ugly musicians and not mention Ed Sheeran?
[–]Shtafoo 27 points28 points29 points 6 months ago (7 children)
That’s subjective, just like musical taste.
[–]BuckNekkid18 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago (6 children)
Subjective, sure, but the most common opinion is that they're ugly. Every Uzi and Travis IG posts are memes making fun of them.
[–]InstigatingDrunk 11 points12 points13 points 6 months ago (5 children)
what type of childish memes are you looking at?
[–]ChadTheWaiter100 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (4 children)
You sound very defensive over this. He’s not saying they’re ugly bc they’re African American. White boys can be ugly to bro. It just happens that those two men are ugly as fuck. The memes aren’t childish; just plain funny. Just like you like to laugh at memes making fun of whites.
[–]InstigatingDrunk 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago (3 children)
at the end of the day, its pathetic to make fun of someone because of how they look. this has nothing to do with race, Mr. snowflake.
[–]ChadTheWaiter100 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago* (2 children)
Bredda- dis trp not gay rights movement.
Your fiancé is cute af btw.
[–]InstigatingDrunk 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (1 child)
lol, thanks man :)
[–]ChadTheWaiter100 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago (0 children)
[–]V8459352 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Gunna and Lil Baby have blown up and they're ugly as fuck.
[–]Dehryll 8 points9 points10 points 6 months ago (3 children)
Yep. There's one trending "SoundCloud rapper" who goes by the name Ugly God, because he's unattractive and he knows it. Not a fan of his music, but he owns it, and that's something to admire.
[–]BuckNekkid18 12 points13 points14 points 6 months ago (2 children)
In what world? After "Water" and a couple features he hasn't been popping at all for a while now.
[–]Dehryll 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago (1 child)
Yeah, you're right. He's definitely not up there amongst top hits, but he's a recognizeable name, and his appearance hasn't impeded his success however short-lived it was. Trending wasn't the right word.
[–]BuckNekkid18 8 points9 points10 points 6 months ago (0 children)
but he's a recognizeable name, and his appearance hasn't impeded his success however short-lived it was
but he's a recognizeable name, and his appearance hasn't impeded his success however short-lived it was
I'd imagine he fucked groupies like crazy and probably still does
[–]Saberinbed 8 points9 points10 points 6 months ago (0 children)
They aren’t even that bad looking. They dress well, have good cuts, get tats. They are decent looking guys.
[–]InstigatingDrunk 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago (0 children)
well consider the realm of pop. Ed Sheeran and adele are ugly and fat in that respective manner and are easily considered one of the bests. Depends on the genre I'd say. Rap and hip hop tends to be more testosterone driven. If you ugly af and don't let it affect you, you will get to the top, esp if you have talent.
[–]ChadTheWaiter100 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Holy shit bredda! Uzi is not only an ugly musician but quite possibly one of the ugliest men on the planet!!
[–]Gainster1990 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Never heard of either by name, probably familiar with their songs from the pubs and clubs. So glad I unplugged from the modern day cancer that is social media/ bluepill media
[–]yumyumgivemesome 25 points26 points27 points 6 months ago (0 children)
To add, it is human nature to feel psychologically and physiologically uncomfortable when shown evidence why we are wrong. If someone presented robust evidence to me that 2+2 did NOT equal 4, then I would literally have somewhat of a mental breakdown as one of my most fundamental pieces of knowledge no longer made sense. Likewise, incels have so many damaging social concepts hammered into them from an early age. The same is true for someone who was born indoctrinated into a religion.
The process of taking the Red Pill requires mental malleability. This often involves painful realizations, which is why so many in here will talk about a bitterness that follows. The bitterness is temporary until those men learn how to use the new knowledge to make themselves and their entire worlds better.
[–]empatheticapathetic 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago (7 children)
Who said incels lack a purpose? They lack the female experience. A purpose doesn’t automatically bring women. Actively trying to work on their game and chase women brings women. Incels don’t have the belief they can succeed based on past experience, their assessment of where they stand in the SMP or other psychological issues.
[–]Shtafoo 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago* (6 children)
Have you seen the incel sub before it got deleted? Yeah they lack purpose and a spine. Also this doesn’t come from a place of ego, I’m genuinely trying to help people see through these bad behavioral patterns.
Yes you’re right. Any skill worth developing takes time and effort. And so does game.
If your description of a incel is true then that makes 3 factors that are totally in control of the individual to change. Lifting, minor sense of fashion and therapy.
[–]empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (5 children)
If you don’t ever hit a clear looks threshold you don’t get to play the game regardless of how witty or confident you are. Combine this with women’s level of abundance due to tinder and hypergamy and you get incels.
Incels as a concept and a demographic exist now and not before for a reason and it’s more than their lack of ‘willing to try’. Incels wouldn’t keep going on incel foums, talking about black pills and killing themselves if they truly had checked out of the game. They want to figure out how to play and to develop a dark triad-esque careless apathy to the state of dating and how much they care so they can get a handle on their situation.
I hate this shallow analysis of incels from people who are unable to empathise with the state of mind of someone so low on the smv ladder. It’s more than just lifting and therapy for some people.
I was a party on Saturday. I was the most ripped and funny dude there (I just assume this as I always am) but every other guy was just better looking even if they’re a skinny boring fake NPC dude. Every girl I talked to just walked away so I just stopped bothering after a while and hung with my bro. Just another lesson in proving although I may have improved my objective value and mindset, I still lose to a naturally good looking dude. This is reality, some people can’t handle it and choose not to play. And they’re no worse than you or me because you succeeded and they didn’t.
[–]Shtafoo 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (1 child)
First of all I want you to understand I’m not assaulting you. OP literally asked: what are your thoughts on incels and this was my reply to it. I wouldn’t call it a shallow analysis. This is actually what most people think about incels.
If I were you I would stop associating yourself with a group of people that’s this negative for your self image. It seems you are taking steps to improve your life and failure is part of that game.
And fuck it man, you went out with your bro and had a good time, let that be the indicator of a succesful night out instead of taking some broad home. Chicks can smell the thirst from miles away. Actually I bet if you focused more on your bro that night and having fun I’m sure you would have had more succes.
[–]empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago* (0 children)
I never took it as an attack.
this is actually what most people think about incels
this is actually what most people think about incels
Who cares what most people think. They don’t give a fuck and enjoy having a boogeyman to hate. TRP just got quarantined if you don’t remember.
This isn’t just one experience when I go out. It’s every single time, ever. I have a good time with my bro as I always do, but that wasn’t my point. The point was that not all people can self improve to the point where they have no excuse to be an incel. And it’s very shallow thinking to think that everyone’s who puts the effort in is going to make it.
The realistic answer is you have to be aware of your competition and league if you’re near the bottom. I wasn’t thirsty as I am way past that now (but I bet the answer is always what I didn’t do). I’m just trying to have an interaction but it doesn’t matter, at this party I wasn’t even in the competition. My bros girlfriend is a hog. For him it’s that or nothing.
You can disagree or whatever. My only point ever was your analysis of incels was shallow and I hate that shit.
[–]Olram_Sacul 1 points1 points1 points 6 months ago [recovered]
Being an incel in most of the cases is due to a lack of willing to learn and try and fail. Look Rodgers or the other Canadian dude who ramped with his truck into the crowd. Those guys were average looking and Rodgers also was rich. I know people who are disabled and have romantic relationships. I also know very short guys or guys who were balding since teenagers and are very successful with women. Unless you have a serious deformity or mental disease, you have options to get girls. I know so because I was there. I lost my virginity in my 20's.Thankfully I always felt that something was wrong (I may be in the autistic spectrum as well but that's another story) so did my research and found pua sites which was like a fucking reborn for me. It took me years of learning and practice till I got laid but from the very beginning I saw how those lines and the explanations actually made sense. I tried to get into incels.me to help the guys and got banned. I used to make comments in r / braincels and only got downvotes because I confronted their beliefs and I honestly would love to help those guys because I know how it felt, I was very close to depression. Incel mentality is toxic towards them and to the rest of the society, but apparently many of them think that they are right and the rest are wrong. Actually I discovered TRP lurking on incels forums where they criticise what is said here. Just take a look at the front page of braincels, they mention an incel culture! So for those guys it's actually a lifestyle and even though they claim to be willing to meet women, most of them are just way more comfortable circle-jerking creating memes and making excuses.
[–]xgozax 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
I Agree with everything except the music part. Music is at its best right now because there is a plethora of artists you are able to listen to because of the internet. There is amazin music out there if you put in the time to look. Not saying that’s convenient as a listener that doesn’t want to be that invested in finding good music but to me the fact is there is great music this era. Now if you want to edit your statement to “Mainstream music was better when...” then I would agree.
[–]Vikingcel 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
They all would be satisfied with being a 'Chadlite', just being very attractive facially and not short.
Some guys just aren't good enough to ever reach the good RP life. When most FRs are tinder dates, it's clear there ain't that many successful guys who are below average looking here.
[–]BusterVadge 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Music is due for more antiheroes. All it takes is another Kurt Cobain to skullfuck these autotuned airbrushed faces into oblivion.
[–]antariusz -2 points-1 points0 points 6 months ago (0 children)
The bigger problem is that guys who are successful with women, such as myself, who have a six figure salary, and decent facial aesthetics, but who is only 5’8” only helps confirm their worldview, because they ignore the downsides, and they don’t realize that no one is perfect, that some men learn how to succeed IN SPITE OF not being perfect, because you don’t need to be perfect, you just have to make up for it in other ways. It’s like short guys that overcompensate by being super aggressive, people make fun of them, but the shit fucking works.
(For example, online works great for me because girls don’t see my height, they just know that I’m “tall enough” from a group photo, and but some really tall and built guy but not very attractive guy might be able to pull every single night in the club.)
[–]derrtderr 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago (0 children)
He’s right on the money about joining a martial art to build confidence.
It takes dedication, improvement comes with time and discipline. You only get out what you put in and at the beginning you get your ass handed to you. Sound familiar?
[–]Ricklogical 8 points9 points10 points 6 months ago (0 children)
I'm not an incel so it's hard to relate to them.
All I know is that when I wasn't fucking women and wanted to be fucking women it was because I was socially a moron and refused to come out, I refused to work on myself, and I blamed my job, my life schedule, my family and I didn't start having a good time till I fixed those things.
It was very easy for me but it wasn't instant it took years. I think the main thing they are fighting is the time investment with low reward in between. It's a long hard crappy climb just to get rejected for 1000+ approaches. It takes a long time to figure it out.
I think people who have less to often just don't get the rewards of others. This counts for jobs and everything else. Life is just much less forgiving for these people. Plenty of reasons why and you can only fix so much before you top out. No one is really reaching that peak, and anyone that is, probably is still not satisfied.
Assumptions from a different place, what I know is that those at the bottom don't want to be there, but we can't all be on top and that's life.
[–]ryeprotagonist 27 points28 points29 points 6 months ago (8 children)
Incels sadly have no concept of how easy it is to be in the top 20%, given just a modicum of time and effort.
[–]BusterVadge 43 points44 points45 points 6 months ago (3 children)
It SO freaking easy. As an old guy (44 is ancient on this sub)... I get younger guys asking me what my secret is all the time!
There really is no secret. Just work on your body, don't give a fuck if you're rejected and look your best as often as you can. That's it.
[–]yumyumgivemesome 12 points13 points14 points 6 months ago (1 child)
The law of compounding interest is absolutely ubiquitous, and it can lead just as easily in positive and negative directions.
[–]ajtaz55 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago (0 children)
The slight edge ;)
[–]ryeprotagonist 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Yup. 45 on Thursday.
[–]someonesopinion6969 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Drug addiction, Mental health patterns and being a little bitch are the only thing that holds you back.
I have a skin problem but i'm taking the steps to try and reverse the damage from years of smoking, being a little bitch is the only thing that stops incels from grabbing their balls and changing their existence.
pussy isn't even that hard when you start living a normal life, it's living the normal life tho
[+]NegativeCollision comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 6 months ago (2 children)
You become the top 20% by having the best genetics
[–]dpgproductions 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago (1 child)
That’s more like top 5% or less. Plenty of room in the top 20% for those who understand the importance of hard work and self respect.
[–]NegativeCollision -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Even if you have hard work and self respect it’s not gonna matter because how another person (the world) views you is more important than how you view yourself
For example take Donald Trump
[–]stat1490 38 points39 points40 points 6 months ago* (9 children)
I don’t think that incels are entirely wrong. Throughout most of human history, the majority of women have passed on their genes, while less than one in ten men passed on their genes.
Monogamy was a strictly enforced societal norm that changed that, and let all men have a stake in the future. I believe we are going back to only a few men with the majority of women, and I think that will be disastrous. And I don’t think working out and learning game will help everyone. The face, height, and frame all play important roles in raw attraction, which this sub tends to hamster away.
[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 19 points20 points21 points 6 months ago (5 children)
You don't think incels are entirely wrong about what, exactly? And more to the point, why would anyone give a fuck about what they have to say about anything?
People not giving a shit about you is the default state of male existence. If you don't like it, then you (and you alone) must take action to change it. We all know this.
[–]stat1490 10 points11 points12 points 6 months ago* (4 children)
That not everyone will be sexually successful, no matter how much they lift, learn game, and hold frame. Hypergamy cares about genetic material way more than most people think. For the same reason not everyone can be in the NBA, and not everyone has the iq to be a rocket scientist, not everyone will even be able to fuck hot women, no matter what they do (aside from paying).
I am already taking action every day to improve in every possible way I can. This is just an observation. Nothing more, nothing less. Bone structure matters... a lot.
[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (2 children)
Hypergamy cares about genetic material way more than most people think.
Hypergamy cares about genetic material way more than most people think.
LOL cool I should totally bring a printout of my DNA sequence with me next time I hit the bar. Get the fuck out of here with that sad sack self-pitying shit.
Bitches are retarded. Behaviour is the biggest factor in a woman's attraction to you.
[–]stat1490 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago* (0 children)
I think you knew my intention of what I was saying in my first sentence. You don’t need to carry around a copy of your dna, because your face is already a walking advertisement that has been around millions of years. I’m not self pitying, I’ve only spoken in generalities; ie, not me.
And I disagree, but no worries. Best of luck.
[–]nnb123 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Stop being a cuck
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
I think this is only true if you define sexually successful as either banging the top 20% of women or regular sex. It only takes a single successful night to spread your genes. A man who has frame, lifts, has a successful life and tries somewhat consistently will more than likely succeed in spreading their genes, the only exception would be if you look staggeringly ugly, which really would only account for less than 2% of males.
[–]antariusz 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago (0 children)
More modern examples show it’s more like 40% of men and 85% of women but ancient history is revealing too. I mean everyone on TRP knows you should be aiming for being a top 5% man, but really just being a top 40% man “will work.” Depending on your own definition of success.
[–]dani098 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Do you have a source for that? If like to read up in it
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago* (0 children)
My brother, that is a scarcity complex you’re holding onto. The truth is that the glass is half full! and if you improve yourself even a little bit, you can have those rewards that as you say “only ten percent” can get.
edit: i recommend reading The Game, by neil strauss.
[–]rob13_ 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago (0 children)
[–]TheLongerCon 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago (0 children)
What bores me about the "incel debate" is everybody is right, and everything one is saying the same thing. None of it is new or interesting.
Of course incels are mentally deranged loser who need to get the head of out of the ass and fix themselves.
But the question is: What causes incels? Because shouting at incels to stop being lame might work at some, but I think the vast majority won't change because you told them they should, after all, they are already self loathing.
The interesting question is: what social phenomena lead to the rise of incels, and is it possible to stop it.
Any moron can point out a problem, and a society full of depressed angry men is a problem, but very little can point out a practical solution. Telling these guys to stop sucking won't work. Anymore then telling people not to be fat cures the obesity epidemic.
Humans are animals. All animal behaviour is the sum of it's genetics plus its environment, our genetics haven't changed(well maybe we have more autism), so what changed in our environment to make so many men like this?
Is it the rise of single motherhood?
Is it the rise of the internet as a breeding ground for cultures of pity and self loathing?
Is it the easy availability of pornography and video games that distracts men for gaining the necessary social skills?
Is the decline of religion and cultural enforced monogamy?
Telling neckbeards to stop being neckbeards might make people feel good inside, but it won't do anything to actually reverse the trend that's allegedly bothering them.
[–]Nergaal 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Just a though experiment: say in a "culturally enforced monogamy" the top 20% of men are desirable but 80% of them get married. In a "modern society" only the top 5-10% of men are truly desirable and only about 50% of them get into a marriage.
The number of men who feel desired is ~2:1 between those cases, and the number of blue-pilled men who realistically expect to find a stable marriage is also about ~2:1 between the two scenarios. Obviously the two scenarios would create a different number of incels.
You can't possibly argue that a workplace where the rate of promotions to more stable/better paid positions is visibly higher is not going to create a more enticing environment for newcomers to work harder and aim for a promotion at some point.
[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago (6 children)
A mainstream figure can't say anything Red Pill because the purpose of the figure is to reinforce the blue pill matrix. The fact that the majority of the retards here can't comprehend the meta is why y'all are gonna follow false idols indefinitely.
The reason normies like to shit on incels is that it makes their personal hedonism more enjoyable. Incels are hedonists too btw. But the purpose of the discourse is to reinforce a shallow narcasistic culture of masterbation and shopping.
[–]somebullshitrp 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago (5 children)
Am I hearing this correctly? The premise of the video is that without religion (giving death meaning), life inherently has no meaning and therefore we'll all end up slaves to pleasure seeking (shopping and fornication)?
Because that's a huge load of shit.
Maybe most people are so weak that they need a purpose imposed on them by an external force, such as religion, but that's what the red pill is supposed to combat. Weakness like that has no place here, and is primarily why I think that religion and the red pill are fundamentally incompatible.
Although, maybe that's what incels need, because they're so weak, and lack any kind of discipline themselves.
[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago (4 children)
People always have a religion whether a formal one like Christianity or a folk one like Consumerism. Money is the god of the west and that's definitely a religion.
Your narrow thinking is definitely blue pil
[–]TheLongerCon 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (3 children)
That's an absurdly broad definition of religion.
[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–]TheLongerCon 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (1 child)
Once again, if you reduce the definition of religion to "anything that motivates you", then sure. But it seizes to become a useful definition
[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Idolotry is a recognized type of religion in the Bible. The definition is so useful that a substantive portion of the Bible is dedicated to rejecting idolotry.
So yes it is a useful definition otherwise it wouldn't be such a big deal for the three abrahamic Faith's.
[–]Pyromolt 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (0 children)
As someone who used to relate a lot to Incels, and still can kind of get behind their more sane points (like most women being th0ts), a lot of their stuff is misguided. Yes, ugly men have it harder with women. Not a shocker. However, you don't need to be "Chad" to get laid or even be a slayer. In fact, most of the slayers from my old high school were average or even slightly below. It really comes down to dominance. Yeah, obviously better looking men have it easier, but that doesn't mean just because you're below average looking you can't become a "chad".
[–]TheQuatum 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
It's odd, things like these posts are never mentioned when people talk about TheRedPill. They always compare the sub to incels but it seems there is a very very distinct difference.
[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
[–]Zanford 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
That is very solid and RP advice, yes.
Note how it's the opposite of JBU (just be yourself) or 'give up and die' blue pill advice (usually given by beta men with a crab-bucket mentality, or women who want to make sure the betas reveal themselves as such and do not dare to improve their lot).
[–]fullblownhurricane 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Im an incel.
Its more complicated than that for me.
I have severe depression, i cant do shit until i take care of that first.
[–]ThickSoild2802485 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Joe Rogan is kinda beta, just sayin
[–]NegativeCollision -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 months ago (65 children)
That’s not going to change my face or anyone liking me
[–]zielkarz 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago (55 children)
I know obese guy with the face of pig (literally). He's so confident and fun to be around that everyone love him. Hot girls ask him to dance with them etc. Of course, he doesn't pull 9,but he can easily get 7.
[+]NegativeCollision comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points 6 months ago (54 children)
I can’t pull anything because I’m 5’3, receding hairline at 16, shit posture, acne scarred, and crooked eyelids.
The redpill works for a set few people but not for me.
Confidence has gotten me spat on, pelted by rocks, jumped on, and “sorry I’m lesbian.”
I’m not doubting you but I like to see proof of this guy you know
[–]MisplacedSanityP 16 points17 points18 points 6 months ago (9 children)
Rogan is bald and 5'6". He's an attractive mother fucker. I also have a receding hairline since 20. Started shaving my head just recently(24 now) and let me tell you, best decision looks wise. Would I be more attractive with a full head of hair? Of course. I got over it, so will you. Life is fucking hard. You may never be Chad, but you could certainly improve your life by working out and self-improving. Not everyone will be able to pull 10s and 9s no matter how hard they work. But any guy short of an extreme deformity or disability can pull good quality women given enough work. You have no idea how far you can go unless you put in the effort bro. Work hard. Message me if you need some help, I was just like you in my teenage years.
[+]NegativeCollision comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 6 months ago (8 children)
I don’t care about being “Chad”, I care about being normal and even I can’t do that.
I’m thinning hair and I’m only 16.
A 16 year old is supposed to be 5’7 and I’m 5’3.
My dad has had me working out with him since I was 12 almost everyday but it didn’t change anything.
TheRedpill works but not for everyone, that’s all I’m explaining, I already watched Rogan’s view and being “Confident” has made my life significantly worse and has made all living things despise me more.
Have a nice day
[–]MisplacedSanityP 26 points27 points28 points 6 months ago (1 child)
You're so fucking whiny dude. Fine, you're just cursed to be a loser, live in your sorrow then.
[–]empatheticapathetic 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Some people need to whine to learn it doesn’t solve anything. I’m guilty of this. He’s only 16 as well.
[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago (2 children)
you’ve maxed out your gains at 16?
you’ve maxed out your game at 16?
you’ve maxed out your hygiene and style at 16?
you’ve maxed out your hobbies at 16?
you’ve maxed out your career and social connections at 16?
you’ve got hella dues to pay my man. TRP is failsafe. stop make excuses and get to work.
[–]NegativeCollision 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (1 child)
You want to see a pm of my body from lifting?
I have maxed out my hobbies already pro wrestling, cars, and building and repairing computers
[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Rhetorical questions. There’s no way in hell you’re there already. You haven’t even fully developed yet, who you are today is not who you will be in even a year from now. You have work to do, period. get it the fuck done
[–]mty_green_go 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (2 children)
Stop feeling sorry for yourself and making excuses JFC. Drink some green tea and start using rogaine if you're so insecure about your hair.
Or shave it off completely. Or wear a hat. There are plenty of short girls out there too if you are hung up on height.
You are so hung up on what you visualize as your "flaws" that you can't even let yourself be who you are and enjoy the beautiful gift of life.
I've lived in other countries before and there are some VERY short guys and very ugly guys out there and they all somehow manage to not be single so if you are being the best person you can be, (you're not if you are whining about your hair and height at 16 years old) then the rest will follow. I didnt lose my virginity until I was 21, was always teased when I was younger and never fit in with the "chads", have car accident scars on my face, and I managed just fine.
[–]juiceperks 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (1 child)
Green tea helps receding hair line? Got a source for that claim? Sounds to good to be true homie
[–]mty_green_go 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (0 children)
google "green tea dht blocker" and look at the sources yourself
[–]Casanova-Quinn 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago (9 children)
Receding hairline? Buzz cut. Shit posture? Start working out. Acne scarred? See a dermatologist. Crooked eyelids? Plastic surgery (might have to wait until you're older).
The point is, don't act like you're hopeless when you CAN fix most of your issues. Don't give up before you even try.
[–]NegativeCollision 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (8 children)
I’ve been using medium strength retin-a but it has gruesome effects on my body, It gets rid of acne but makes my thinning hair problem worse and causes dry patches on my skin.
I would consider plastic surgery and leg Lengthening now but I don’t have the money for it.
[–]Casanova-Quinn 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (3 children)
I wouldn’t bother with leg lengthening, cost and results aren’t worth it imo. You’re 16 dude, you can still potentially grow for a few years. Make sure you’re eating enough and eating healthy. Sleep is also critical for growth, try to get 8 hours of sleep consistently.
[–]NegativeCollision -1 points0 points1 point 6 months ago (2 children)
16 y/o males stop growing taller but the muscle continues to develop until age 21.
I’ve been getting sleep, I force myself to overeat and now I use WheyProtein and Creatine to try and gain weight
[–]Casanova-Quinn 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (1 child)
There’s not an exact age that males stop getting taller. The general range is 16-21 yo. You could still potentially get taller.
Whey protein and creatine aren’t the best for gaining weight, but nothing’s wrong with them. I would focus on eating more meat, eggs, and dairy. Drinking whole milk is an easy way to add extra calories.
[–]SameOrder 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Retin a shouldn't worsen your thinning. It makes it better for some people sometimes. Also I grew around 3-4 inches from 16 to 18 so don't lose hope. Just try to keep your head down and survive. When people are depressed or suicidal I don't even tell them to try to be happy or be positive. Just survive.
[–]skibbidywibbidy 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (2 children)
Try keto/intermittent fasting, drink a fuckton of water, and some form of exercise. Your acne will improve, mine was shit at your age and it naturally went away
[–]NegativeCollision 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (1 child)
I’m nowhere close to fat so fasting isn’t a good idea.
[–]skibbidywibbidy 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Fasting has other benefits like increased energy level, testosterone, and human growth hormone among other benefits. Many who aren't overweight do it, but it's definitely not for everyone; it's there to try out is all I'm saying.
[–]sorryforthelifestory 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago (21 children)
ok then stop going on red pill subreddits if it doesn’t work
[–]NegativeCollision -1 points0 points1 point 6 months ago (20 children)
I come here to try different tactics to improve myself then fail and explain how I failed and how the same tactics don’t work for everyone.
[–]Shtafoo 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago (19 children)
Judging by your Reddit profile text and post history you’re either a attention seeker or severely depressed and in need of therapy. Not a single subreddit’s ‘tactics’ will work for you if you hate yourself like this.
[–]NegativeCollision 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (18 children)
I’ve been going to therapy for almost 6 years.
It didn’t change anything besides my parents bank accounts.
[–]Huffnagle 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago (16 children)
So what do you want?
This is not the incel sub, so cut the bullshit. Literally nobody gives a shit if you care enough about yourself to change.
The message of TRP is self improvement. Quit being a pussy and improve yourself. Exercise, eat right, education, work, hobbies.
You don’t have to “feel it” to do it.
You need to make a decision, will you be a victim and wallow in your misery? If so, we don’t want you here, get the fuck out!
Or, will you choose to work to be better? Almost all men have limitations and issues to overcome. Women hate losers, but they’ll overlook any physical limitation from a guy who’s not a loser. Short, bald, ugly? No problem. Fat loser with a hygiene problem? Total dealbreaker. Why? Because they know those are fixable and if you haven’t fixed them you’re a loser.
[–]someonesopinion6969 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago (0 children)
I agree with this.. you're way more attractive if you put in a tiny little amount of effort compared to expecting life will fucking throw you hot wet holes because clearly that is a disney fantasy.
Would you fuck yourself? that's how you should really see things, if you wouldn't...then why chase pussy until you have fixed those errors.
try meditating, you clearly have some negative thought patterns that are controlling your behavior
[–]NegativeCollision 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (14 children)
I’m short, ugly, and balding at 16.
I’ve been lifting weights since age 12 but it didn’t change anything about me.
I agree with redpill philosophy but it only helps a small group of people and it does not help me.
I have a decent education and hobbies, I build computers and know how to repair some modern appliances
[–]FirstLastMan 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (0 children)
The other day I was on the subway and saw the goofiest looking guy. He was maybe 5'5, no jawline, nerd neck, weird bird nose. But he was with the hottest girl in the car and was having blast not giving a fuck about whatever people like me thought of him. He was groomed and well dressed, and didn't have the demeanour of a whiny manchild.
You give too many fucks. Stop giving a fuck.
[–]Huffnagle 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (12 children)
If you think the “Redpill Philosophy” only helps a small group of people, you’re not paying attention.
Now, you are 16 and presumably in High School. This is not the real world, and even if you’ve improved yourself people will remember the old you.
However, I’m gonna be honest. You sound like a whiny loser.
But you can choose a different path.
Stop acting like a pussy and take responsibility for your own improvement.
[–]BorrowedSunshine 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Make money and pay for sex if it’s that bad
[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago* (0 children)
Did you tried proper gym workouts, hair keeping shampoos for man and some self love?
If self improvement communities are not helpfull, select a few solid books and stick to them. Sidebar have some.
Edit: I guess a micropenis would be worse.
[–]beginner_ 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Ever heard of Bernie Eccelstone? If not google him.
[–]Pooddit 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago* (0 children)
It sucks, sure. These are the cards you were dealt. But you do have the power to work on everything else about yourself and your situation that you do have control over. The more you make effort to improve what you CAN change, the more you realize that you are actually more in control.
[–]BusterVadge 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (3 children)
Most of your problem is that you're 16. I wasn't able to pull in girls regularly at that age either.
Growing up will fix 50% of your problems. The other 50% is your attitude.
[–]NegativeCollision 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (2 children)
I can’t get any girl to look in my direction without a face of disgust while drug dealers at my school are pulling in five girls at a time
[–]BusterVadge 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (1 child)
yeah SCHOOL being the key word. Life starts after school. Nothing that happens now really counts man.
[–]NegativeCollision 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
But school life more than often follows your later life and leaves you with a back track record.
[–]badgerninjacow 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
You’re still young enough for growth hormone.
[–]someonesopinion6969 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (2 children)
shit posture, acne scarred.
You can fix posture and you can be more confident about shit skin.
Stop being a faggot and expecting life to be easy, yes you will get shit tested by women more but it's not that hard to be the best person you can be and rock that shit. yes you will get rejected by mother nature but you'll be harder edged if you don't define yourself by your stupid looking face.
I'm 27 and i feel horrific to women, it doesn't stop you from improving. you push that cock outside of your magina and grow some balls, life doesn't throw you a support rope for men who are little bitches.
I never said life was easy and simply existing around the same vicinity around a woman is a shit test for me.
I have the ability to make women change sexuality by taking off my hoodie and turning them all lesbian when they see my face.
I’ve been lifting for years, it barely changed my muscle definition because I am inferior to every other living male on the molecular level
[–]someonesopinion6969 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
It doesn't mean you give up because you're less than that other more capable person, the mere fact you're trying shows you're prepared for self improvement.
I have a horrible looking face too, it doesn't mean it will stop every woman from wanting to fuck you. your attitude can make a girl wet, being lame about the way your face looks doesn't
[–]eccentricrealist 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (3 children)
https://imgur.com/zwtenNw.jpg Get fit scrub
I am nowhere near fat
[–]Monkey_Jerk 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (1 child)
https://i.imgur.com/C0gFDZ6.jpg ok now what?
[–]eccentricrealist 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago (0 children)
Shave your head
[–]actually-guy 1 points1 points1 points 6 months ago [recovered]
Women don't process "attractiveness" in thier brains, the same way men do.
Physical attributes can play a role, but so do confidence, and your access to resources.
[–]NegativeCollision -1 points0 points1 point 6 months ago (1 child)
Being a confident subhuman has made me even more disgusting in the eyes of society.
Being confident has gotten me:
Pelted with rocks
Girls turning lesbian whenever I ask them out
[–]That1betaUknow -1 points0 points1 point 6 months ago (0 children)
Get out would you?
[–]Terra501 1 points1 points1 points 6 months ago [recovered]
read the game. neil strauss.
you can change and you can be the prize.
Isn’t PUA fake like guys paying girls when they are on video