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I am talking about this video

So here joe rogan talks that incels needs to become men, become disciplined, lift, do some martial arts and become more attractive. It is actually that simple.

I thought this was pretty red pill.


[–]Shtafoo 146 points147 points  (34 children)

It is actually quite simple. Incels are so full of bad mental patterns that they won’t even bother changing a thing about themselves. They have this vision of Chad, who’s this godlike figure with a six figure salary and facial genetics of a greek god. It’s quite easy to get jealous if that’s today’s standard (it’s not).

I think it’s pretty shallow to live a materialistic life filled with chasing girls you don’t even like and chasing cars you never drive - when you’ve actually got a few free hours.

Today on the frontpage of Reddit I saw a picture, it said ‘Music was better when ugly people were allowed to make it’ That resonated so much, I mean we can all agree on the decline of the music industry the past few years because hot Instagram musicians with a million likes became the new standard.

Incels lack a purpose in life and are afraid to take action. They rather keep each other company and go from self pity to a circle pity.

[–]sorryforthelifestory 43 points44 points  (20 children)

Plenty of the most popular musicians out now are ugly af. Travis Scott and Lil Uzi come to mind.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

How are you going to talk about ugly musicians and not mention Ed Sheeran?

[–]Shtafoo 27 points28 points  (7 children)

That’s subjective, just like musical taste.

[–]BuckNekkid18 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Subjective, sure, but the most common opinion is that they're ugly. Every Uzi and Travis IG posts are memes making fun of them.

[–]InstigatingDrunk 13 points14 points  (5 children)

what type of childish memes are you looking at?

[–]ChadTheWaiter100 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You sound very defensive over this. He’s not saying they’re ugly bc they’re African American. White boys can be ugly to bro. It just happens that those two men are ugly as fuck. The memes aren’t childish; just plain funny. Just like you like to laugh at memes making fun of whites.

[–]InstigatingDrunk 3 points4 points  (3 children)

at the end of the day, its pathetic to make fun of someone because of how they look. this has nothing to do with race, Mr. snowflake.

[–]ChadTheWaiter100 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Bredda- dis trp not gay rights movement.

Your fiancé is cute af btw.

[–]InstigatingDrunk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

lol, thanks man :)

[–]ChadTheWaiter100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

💯👍🏽👍🏽

[–]V8459352 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Gunna and Lil Baby have blown up and they're ugly as fuck.

[–]Dehryll 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yep. There's one trending "SoundCloud rapper" who goes by the name Ugly God, because he's unattractive and he knows it. Not a fan of his music, but he owns it, and that's something to admire.

[–]BuckNekkid18 13 points14 points  (2 children)

ugly god

trending

In what world? After "Water" and a couple features he hasn't been popping at all for a while now.

[–]Dehryll 1 points1 points [recovered]

Yeah, you're right. He's definitely not up there amongst top hits, but he's a recognizeable name, and his appearance hasn't impeded his success however short-lived it was. Trending wasn't the right word.

[–]BuckNekkid18 9 points10 points  (0 children)

but he's a recognizeable name, and his appearance hasn't impeded his success however short-lived it was

I'd imagine he fucked groupies like crazy and probably still does

[–]Saberinbed 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They aren’t even that bad looking. They dress well, have good cuts, get tats. They are decent looking guys.

[–]InstigatingDrunk 5 points6 points  (0 children)

well consider the realm of pop. Ed Sheeran and adele are ugly and fat in that respective manner and are easily considered one of the bests. Depends on the genre I'd say. Rap and hip hop tends to be more testosterone driven. If you ugly af and don't let it affect you, you will get to the top, esp if you have talent.

[–]ChadTheWaiter100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy shit bredda! Uzi is not only an ugly musician but quite possibly one of the ugliest men on the planet!!

[–]Gainster1990 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never heard of either by name, probably familiar with their songs from the pubs and clubs. So glad I unplugged from the modern day cancer that is social media/ bluepill media

[–]yumyumgivemesome 24 points25 points  (0 children)

To add, it is human nature to feel psychologically and physiologically uncomfortable when shown evidence why we are wrong. If someone presented robust evidence to me that 2+2 did NOT equal 4, then I would literally have somewhat of a mental breakdown as one of my most fundamental pieces of knowledge no longer made sense. Likewise, incels have so many damaging social concepts hammered into them from an early age. The same is true for someone who was born indoctrinated into a religion.

The process of taking the Red Pill requires mental malleability. This often involves painful realizations, which is why so many in here will talk about a bitterness that follows. The bitterness is temporary until those men learn how to use the new knowledge to make themselves and their entire worlds better.

[–]empatheticapathetic 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Who said incels lack a purpose? They lack the female experience. A purpose doesn’t automatically bring women. Actively trying to work on their game and chase women brings women. Incels don’t have the belief they can succeed based on past experience, their assessment of where they stand in the SMP or other psychological issues.

[–]Shtafoo 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Have you seen the incel sub before it got deleted? Yeah they lack purpose and a spine. Also this doesn’t come from a place of ego, I’m genuinely trying to help people see through these bad behavioral patterns.

Yes you’re right. Any skill worth developing takes time and effort. And so does game.

If your description of a incel is true then that makes 3 factors that are totally in control of the individual to change. Lifting, minor sense of fashion and therapy.

[–]empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (5 children)

If you don’t ever hit a clear looks threshold you don’t get to play the game regardless of how witty or confident you are. Combine this with women’s level of abundance due to tinder and hypergamy and you get incels.

Incels as a concept and a demographic exist now and not before for a reason and it’s more than their lack of ‘willing to try’. Incels wouldn’t keep going on incel foums, talking about black pills and killing themselves if they truly had checked out of the game. They want to figure out how to play and to develop a dark triad-esque careless apathy to the state of dating and how much they care so they can get a handle on their situation.

I hate this shallow analysis of incels from people who are unable to empathise with the state of mind of someone so low on the smv ladder. It’s more than just lifting and therapy for some people.

I was a party on Saturday. I was the most ripped and funny dude there (I just assume this as I always am) but every other guy was just better looking even if they’re a skinny boring fake NPC dude. Every girl I talked to just walked away so I just stopped bothering after a while and hung with my bro. Just another lesson in proving although I may have improved my objective value and mindset, I still lose to a naturally good looking dude. This is reality, some people can’t handle it and choose not to play. And they’re no worse than you or me because you succeeded and they didn’t.

[–]Shtafoo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

First of all I want you to understand I’m not assaulting you. OP literally asked: what are your thoughts on incels and this was my reply to it. I wouldn’t call it a shallow analysis. This is actually what most people think about incels.

If I were you I would stop associating yourself with a group of people that’s this negative for your self image. It seems you are taking steps to improve your life and failure is part of that game.

And fuck it man, you went out with your bro and had a good time, let that be the indicator of a succesful night out instead of taking some broad home. Chicks can smell the thirst from miles away. Actually I bet if you focused more on your bro that night and having fun I’m sure you would have had more succes.

[–]empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never took it as an attack.

this is actually what most people think about incels

Who cares what most people think. They don’t give a fuck and enjoy having a boogeyman to hate. TRP just got quarantined if you don’t remember.

This isn’t just one experience when I go out. It’s every single time, ever. I have a good time with my bro as I always do, but that wasn’t my point. The point was that not all people can self improve to the point where they have no excuse to be an incel. And it’s very shallow thinking to think that everyone’s who puts the effort in is going to make it.

The realistic answer is you have to be aware of your competition and league if you’re near the bottom. I wasn’t thirsty as I am way past that now (but I bet the answer is always what I didn’t do). I’m just trying to have an interaction but it doesn’t matter, at this party I wasn’t even in the competition. My bros girlfriend is a hog. For him it’s that or nothing.

You can disagree or whatever. My only point ever was your analysis of incels was shallow and I hate that shit.

[–]Olram_Sacul 1 points1 points [recovered]

Being an incel in most of the cases is due to a lack of willing to learn and try and fail. Look Rodgers or the other Canadian dude who ramped with his truck into the crowd. Those guys were average looking and Rodgers also was rich. I know people who are disabled and have romantic relationships. I also know very short guys or guys who were balding since teenagers and are very successful with women. Unless you have a serious deformity or mental disease, you have options to get girls. I know so because I was there. I lost my virginity in my 20's.Thankfully I always felt that something was wrong (I may be in the autistic spectrum as well but that's another story) so did my research and found pua sites which was like a fucking reborn for me. It took me years of learning and practice till I got laid but from the very beginning I saw how those lines and the explanations actually made sense. I tried to get into incels.me to help the guys and got banned. I used to make comments in r / braincels and only got downvotes because I confronted their beliefs and I honestly would love to help those guys because I know how it felt, I was very close to depression. Incel mentality is toxic towards them and to the rest of the society, but apparently many of them think that they are right and the rest are wrong. Actually I discovered TRP lurking on incels forums where they criticise what is said here. Just take a look at the front page of braincels, they mention an incel culture! So for those guys it's actually a lifestyle and even though they claim to be willing to meet women, most of them are just way more comfortable circle-jerking creating memes and making excuses.

[–]xgozax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I Agree with everything except the music part. Music is at its best right now because there is a plethora of artists you are able to listen to because of the internet. There is amazin music out there if you put in the time to look. Not saying that’s convenient as a listener that doesn’t want to be that invested in finding good music but to me the fact is there is great music this era. Now if you want to edit your statement to “Mainstream music was better when...” then I would agree.

[–]Vikingcel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They all would be satisfied with being a 'Chadlite', just being very attractive facially and not short.

Some guys just aren't good enough to ever reach the good RP life. When most FRs are tinder dates, it's clear there ain't that many successful guys who are below average looking here.

[–]BusterVadge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Music is due for more antiheroes. All it takes is another Kurt Cobain to skullfuck these autotuned airbrushed faces into oblivion.

[–]antariusz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The bigger problem is that guys who are successful with women, such as myself, who have a six figure salary, and decent facial aesthetics, but who is only 5’8” only helps confirm their worldview, because they ignore the downsides, and they don’t realize that no one is perfect, that some men learn how to succeed IN SPITE OF not being perfect, because you don’t need to be perfect, you just have to make up for it in other ways. It’s like short guys that overcompensate by being super aggressive, people make fun of them, but the shit fucking works.

(For example, online works great for me because girls don’t see my height, they just know that I’m “tall enough” from a group photo, and but some really tall and built guy but not very attractive guy might be able to pull every single night in the club.)

[–]derrtderr 17 points18 points  (0 children)

He’s right on the money about joining a martial art to build confidence.

It takes dedication, improvement comes with time and discipline. You only get out what you put in and at the beginning you get your ass handed to you. Sound familiar?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm not an incel so it's hard to relate to them.

All I know is that when I wasn't fucking women and wanted to be fucking women it was because I was socially a moron and refused to come out, I refused to work on myself, and I blamed my job, my life schedule, my family and I didn't start having a good time till I fixed those things.

It was very easy for me but it wasn't instant it took years. I think the main thing they are fighting is the time investment with low reward in between. It's a long hard crappy climb just to get rejected for 1000+ approaches. It takes a long time to figure it out.

I think people who have less to often just don't get the rewards of others. This counts for jobs and everything else. Life is just much less forgiving for these people. Plenty of reasons why and you can only fix so much before you top out. No one is really reaching that peak, and anyone that is, probably is still not satisfied.

Assumptions from a different place, what I know is that those at the bottom don't want to be there, but we can't all be on top and that's life.

[–]ryeprotagonist 29 points30 points  (8 children)

Incels sadly have no concept of how easy it is to be in the top 20%, given just a modicum of time and effort.

[–]BusterVadge 43 points44 points  (3 children)

It SO freaking easy. As an old guy (44 is ancient on this sub)... I get younger guys asking me what my secret is all the time!

There really is no secret. Just work on your body, don't give a fuck if you're rejected and look your best as often as you can. That's it.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 12 points13 points  (1 child)

The law of compounding interest is absolutely ubiquitous, and it can lead just as easily in positive and negative directions.

[–]ajtaz55 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The slight edge ;)

[–]ryeprotagonist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup. 45 on Thursday.

[–]someonesopinion6969 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Drug addiction, Mental health patterns and being a little bitch are the only thing that holds you back.

I have a skin problem but i'm taking the steps to try and reverse the damage from years of smoking, being a little bitch is the only thing that stops incels from grabbing their balls and changing their existence.

pussy isn't even that hard when you start living a normal life, it's living the normal life tho

[–]stat1490 35 points36 points  (9 children)

I don’t think that incels are entirely wrong. Throughout most of human history, the majority of women have passed on their genes, while less than one in ten men passed on their genes.

Monogamy was a strictly enforced societal norm that changed that, and let all men have a stake in the future. I believe we are going back to only a few men with the majority of women, and I think that will be disastrous. And I don’t think working out and learning game will help everyone. The face, height, and frame all play important roles in raw attraction, which this sub tends to hamster away.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 18 points19 points  (5 children)

You don't think incels are entirely wrong about what, exactly? And more to the point, why would anyone give a fuck about what they have to say about anything?

People not giving a shit about you is the default state of male existence. If you don't like it, then you (and you alone) must take action to change it. We all know this.

[–]stat1490 10 points11 points  (4 children)

That not everyone will be sexually successful, no matter how much they lift, learn game, and hold frame. Hypergamy cares about genetic material way more than most people think. For the same reason not everyone can be in the NBA, and not everyone has the iq to be a rocket scientist, not everyone will even be able to fuck hot women, no matter what they do (aside from paying).

I am already taking action every day to improve in every possible way I can. This is just an observation. Nothing more, nothing less. Bone structure matters... a lot.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Hypergamy cares about genetic material way more than most people think.

LOL cool I should totally bring a printout of my DNA sequence with me next time I hit the bar. Get the fuck out of here with that sad sack self-pitying shit.

Bitches are retarded. Behaviour is the biggest factor in a woman's attraction to you.

[–]stat1490 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you knew my intention of what I was saying in my first sentence. You don’t need to carry around a copy of your dna, because your face is already a walking advertisement that has been around millions of years. I’m not self pitying, I’ve only spoken in generalities; ie, not me.

And I disagree, but no worries. Best of luck.

[–]nnb123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop being a cuck

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this is only true if you define sexually successful as either banging the top 20% of women or regular sex. It only takes a single successful night to spread your genes. A man who has frame, lifts, has a successful life and tries somewhat consistently will more than likely succeed in spreading their genes, the only exception would be if you look staggeringly ugly, which really would only account for less than 2% of males.

[–]antariusz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

More modern examples show it’s more like 40% of men and 85% of women but ancient history is revealing too. I mean everyone on TRP knows you should be aiming for being a top 5% man, but really just being a top 40% man “will work.” Depending on your own definition of success.

[–]dani098 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you have a source for that? If like to read up in it

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My brother, that is a scarcity complex you’re holding onto. The truth is that the glass is half full! and if you improve yourself even a little bit, you can have those rewards that as you say “only ten percent” can get.

edit: i recommend reading The Game, by neil strauss.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed

[–]TheLongerCon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What bores me about the "incel debate" is everybody is right, and everything one is saying the same thing. None of it is new or interesting.

Of course incels are mentally deranged loser who need to get the head of out of the ass and fix themselves.

But the question is: What causes incels? Because shouting at incels to stop being lame might work at some, but I think the vast majority won't change because you told them they should, after all, they are already self loathing.

The interesting question is: what social phenomena lead to the rise of incels, and is it possible to stop it.

Any moron can point out a problem, and a society full of depressed angry men is a problem, but very little can point out a practical solution. Telling these guys to stop sucking won't work. Anymore then telling people not to be fat cures the obesity epidemic.

Humans are animals. All animal behaviour is the sum of it's genetics plus its environment, our genetics haven't changed(well maybe we have more autism), so what changed in our environment to make so many men like this?

Is it the rise of single motherhood? Is it the rise of the internet as a breeding ground for cultures of pity and self loathing? Is it the easy availability of pornography and video games that distracts men for gaining the necessary social skills? Is the decline of religion and cultural enforced monogamy?

Telling neckbeards to stop being neckbeards might make people feel good inside, but it won't do anything to actually reverse the trend that's allegedly bothering them.

[–]Nergaal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just a though experiment: say in a "culturally enforced monogamy" the top 20% of men are desirable but 80% of them get married. In a "modern society" only the top 5-10% of men are truly desirable and only about 50% of them get into a marriage.

The number of men who feel desired is ~2:1 between those cases, and the number of blue-pilled men who realistically expect to find a stable marriage is also about ~2:1 between the two scenarios. Obviously the two scenarios would create a different number of incels.

You can't possibly argue that a workplace where the rate of promotions to more stable/better paid positions is visibly higher is not going to create a more enticing environment for newcomers to work harder and aim for a promotion at some point.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 5 points6 points  (6 children)

A mainstream figure can't say anything Red Pill because the purpose of the figure is to reinforce the blue pill matrix. The fact that the majority of the retards here can't comprehend the meta is why y'all are gonna follow false idols indefinitely.

The reason normies like to shit on incels is that it makes their personal hedonism more enjoyable. Incels are hedonists too btw. But the purpose of the discourse is to reinforce a shallow narcasistic culture of masterbation and shopping.

[–]somebullshitrp 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Am I hearing this correctly? The premise of the video is that without religion (giving death meaning), life inherently has no meaning and therefore we'll all end up slaves to pleasure seeking (shopping and fornication)?

Because that's a huge load of shit.

Maybe most people are so weak that they need a purpose imposed on them by an external force, such as religion, but that's what the red pill is supposed to combat. Weakness like that has no place here, and is primarily why I think that religion and the red pill are fundamentally incompatible.

Although, maybe that's what incels need, because they're so weak, and lack any kind of discipline themselves.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 2 points3 points  (4 children)

People always have a religion whether a formal one like Christianity or a folk one like Consumerism. Money is the god of the west and that's definitely a religion.

Your narrow thinking is definitely blue pil

[–]TheLongerCon 1 point2 points  (3 children)

That's an absurdly broad definition of religion.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 1 point2 points  (2 children)

[–]TheLongerCon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Once again, if you reduce the definition of religion to "anything that motivates you", then sure. But it seizes to become a useful definition

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Idolotry is a recognized type of religion in the Bible. The definition is so useful that a substantive portion of the Bible is dedicated to rejecting idolotry.

So yes it is a useful definition otherwise it wouldn't be such a big deal for the three abrahamic Faith's.

[–]Pyromolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As someone who used to relate a lot to Incels, and still can kind of get behind their more sane points (like most women being th0ts), a lot of their stuff is misguided. Yes, ugly men have it harder with women. Not a shocker. However, you don't need to be "Chad" to get laid or even be a slayer. In fact, most of the slayers from my old high school were average or even slightly below. It really comes down to dominance. Yeah, obviously better looking men have it easier, but that doesn't mean just because you're below average looking you can't become a "chad".

[–]TheQuatum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's odd, things like these posts are never mentioned when people talk about TheRedPill. They always compare the sub to incels but it seems there is a very very distinct difference.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]Zanford 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is very solid and RP advice, yes.

Note how it's the opposite of JBU (just be yourself) or 'give up and die' blue pill advice (usually given by beta men with a crab-bucket mentality, or women who want to make sure the betas reveal themselves as such and do not dare to improve their lot).

[–]fullblownhurricane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im an incel.

Its more complicated than that for me.

I have severe depression, i cant do shit until i take care of that first.

[–]ThickSoild2802485 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Joe Rogan is kinda beta, just sayin

[–]NegativeCollision -2 points-1 points  (65 children)

That’s not going to change my face or anyone liking me

[–]zielkarz 7 points8 points  (55 children)

I know obese guy with the face of pig (literally). He's so confident and fun to be around that everyone love him. Hot girls ask him to dance with them etc. Of course, he doesn't pull 9,but he can easily get 7.

[–]eccentricrealist 1 point2 points  (3 children)

[–]NegativeCollision 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am nowhere near fat

[–]Monkey_Jerk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

[–]eccentricrealist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shave your head

[–]actually-guy 1 points1 points [recovered]

Women don't process "attractiveness" in thier brains, the same way men do.

Physical attributes can play a role, but so do confidence, and your access to resources.

[–]NegativeCollision -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Being a confident subhuman has made me even more disgusting in the eyes of society.

Being confident has gotten me:

Pelted with rocks

Spat on

Girls turning lesbian whenever I ask them out

Jumped on

[–]That1betaUknow -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Get out would you?

[–]Terra501 1 points1 points [recovered]

read the game. neil strauss.

you can change and you can be the prize.

[–]NegativeCollision 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn’t PUA fake like guys paying girls when they are on video