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In light of Movember month (This organisation does fuck all for men who actually need it but I like the concept), I raise this question:

In Russian roulette, you have an 1/8 chance of getting fucked over. In Marriage it's ~1/2 (In Australia). And I think we really need to be publicly mainstream talking about this fact. 'Love' is the most dangerous drug our men are taking. Not weed, not cocaine, not LSD. They're taking the idea of 'love' and getting high on it and making life destroying decisions. The suicide rate for men is 8x that of women during divorce, think about that....

So I think we should be doing 100x more than we are right now to let the common young man know the truth up front.

Isn't it time for a seismic paradigm shift in western society?

Lets fucking talk about it. Men are dying.

"Men are the true Romantics"

Clearly every second post here, guys are proclaiming their shock, their outrage, their surprise that women like to jump from cock to cock... like we need to warn others about our profound new knowledge... and these women will sleep around with generally with masculine good looking men... til they hit a wall wow! You'd do EXACTLY the same thing if you were a woman today.

Simple hypergamy (Now scientifically proven time and time again) in action, they see a better guy (More money, better looks, better prospects), more cockiness, they want him, they want an upgrade. Some of them are conscious of this sometimes, some are unconscious of this sometimes... it makes no difference, the chips will fall where they may.

We know this now. Any man with some real life experience, any man that has been cheated on, any man that has read the side bar... KNOWS this.

So why do men keep making this mistake, every day new recruits going through the same learning process the hard way. From rejecting the truth, to accepting it and getting angry, to using the truth to their advantage and finally finding inner peace knowing the way the world really works... and realising they dodged more serious bullets (Like buying a property together, having a child with a western women, or worse getting married only to get divorce raped).

Why do we send our young men down this garden path? Are there benefits to society living this way? As TRP advocates, should we be moving in a direction to prevent men from growing up in this feminine matrix? Is it preventable? Do we need a majority of blue pill men for our society to function to some degree of peace? The Gods forbid we (In the first world west) devolve to a Brazil/Mexico situation (for example)... or are we heading there anyway?

But I digress, we as men need to stop putting pussy on a pedestal, there are many things about the past in our grandparents generation and great grandparents generation that I think we can leave in the past, but shit they had this one right.

People here talk about the notion that we can't talk about the TRP even to other blue pilled men, because its too difficult to accept, and society will destroy you for speaking out. And this I believe to be true, however I think its possible to disseminate RP knowledge to the masses of innocent unsuspecting men earlier, and to have the most important knowledge accepted as truth in their cerebellum to know what to look for on the topic of love/lust/life... before they get cut at the knees and discarded.

We have no safety nets for men who've been screwed over other than friends/family. None. Men need to identify this early. In a divorce if a women is in trouble, she has high quality safe shelters where she can go with financial assistance and support staff to ensure everything is sorted for their accomodaton... the best a man could hope for in such a situation is a piece of floor amongst junkies in a dangerous area for 24 hours...

So why are we all so shocked? Why do we need to keep reiterating this point? Let women being promiscuous, encourage it! But don't let men know the truth.
Me personally, these days, I love a slut. I love women who're good in bed. I don't want a virgin in the sack.
I don't ask her to be loyal, I don't ask her for a life long commitment. I ask her to show me who she really is at 3am on a Friday night, with her hands tied behind her back while I pull her head back by the pony tail, with a finger hooked in her mouth before cumming inside her and sending her on her way in the morning... some nice guy can take her out for dinner tomorrow night.

We need to get used to living as lone wolves, we can't expect loyalty from women. We really need to change our mindsets of dependence to complete independence, and I think its time this knowledge gets slowly strategically filtered to the mainstream... and with the amount of women out there publicly crying "Where are all the good men?" these days, I think the movement may be organically happening anyway... maybe not in the healthiest of ways... guys choosing weed/porn/gaming but also other kinds of masculine hobbies, motorbikes, cars, music, travel for life...

Men are choosing their own way without women dragging them down. If you're a strong minded man you can get pussy from Tinder flings, from bar flings, from escorts/erotic masseuses (If its been a while you can use porn, but I advise against using it more than once a month as it weakens your masculine drive)... without risking their lives financially and physically... without having to give up any kind of freedom... without having to compromise on your mission for greater glory in life.


[–]mrpoopistan 46 points47 points  (9 children)

Men are dying.

Men have always been dying. It's the job of men to die.

I promise you, society doesn't care.

[–]Wolveryn 11 points12 points  (8 children)

Well its high time someone cared.

And not in the BS kind of way corrupt organisations like Movember do, where they just shell out $10,000,000 to their buddies company for silly initiatives like how to manage stress/anxiety for Men... that no man in actual crisis will ever know about or use.

[–]mrpoopistan 21 points22 points  (5 children)

I rarely invoke the evolutionary side of TRP, because I think it gets overblown, but the survival of the species doesn't particularly depend on lots of men living. Historically, men dying is no big deal.

I just don't believe you'll ever see that valuation change. Male existence is by definition a high-risk, high-reward proposition, with the losers finding various ways to fade away or burn out in infamous blazes of glory.

You will never get enough people to care. I mean, the U.S. is literally in the middle of a crisis of manhood right now with dudes spraying everything from sorority houses to yoga studios with bullets because they're so filled with beta rage.

Is anything being done about it? Christ, there isn't even a leftie, feminist response to it in any meaningful way -- unless you think holding conferences to talk about toxic masculinity counts as an actual response.

No one cares. Even the people who might benefit from creating a reactionary movement against modern masculinity don't invest that much effort in caring.

[–]Wolveryn 2 points3 points  (4 children)

But there’s only so many people you can put in prison before you have to go... well shit maybe things need to change

[–]mrpoopistan 6 points7 points  (3 children)

When we get to that number, let me know. To date there's no evidence a society can't imprison an insane number of its citizens.

[–]Nergaal 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Societies become unstable when too many men have nothing to lose. Look at Syria or any Arab spring country.

[–]mrpoopistan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those weren't precisely stable societies to start with. The last time the Middle East was stable by any modern standard was when the Turks ran the whole joint.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but they STILL do it and in fact, Syria's the fault of America attempting to overthrow Syria. Arab Spring: that's a necessary thing, to get freedom when there hasn't been enough. Those societies are in fact very stable.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

no, it isn't high time. It will never happen. We as men are born to be strong. To fight. To die. To conquer. TO fail conquering. It's what we are born to do by evolution. We are born disposable.

[–]Wolveryn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think what you’re saying is true, but TRP is proof we can collectively improve our situation dramatically

[–]BrutalMan420 70 points71 points  (5 children)

who is shocked

trp exists because we acknowledged this fact

[–]JustDoMeee 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I'm not shocked by the nature of women. It's been so long since I've found TRP, but recently as I've seen more slutty girls, I've been feeling this shitty feeling, this feeling I get when I hear about really slutty shit that girls get up to from friends.

Maybe inadequacy, maybe anxiety, sadness maybe? I don't fucking know mannn, maybe hopelessness?

Today was the day where this feeling was the most prominent and I was hoping I'd be able to talk about it on some asktrp thread and this is perfect.

Someone help me figure this out and sort through it.

[–]DickMystery 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know how you feel bro, that feeling of deception that could happen any moment with a woman. We know men are loyal and can (generally) be trusted (of course you'll weed out the bad ones). We then expect everyone to be like this. The feeling that women can be so promiscuous while we're taught our whole life that they're princesses just fucks you over and makes you wonder where their moral compass is.

The first time I banged this chick who had a boyfriend I asked her if I was the first one and why, her response: you're the second and you do stuff to me that my boyfriend doesn't do, you're more masculine, stronger etc. Heck, she looks innocent on the outside, hangs around campus with BB guys who probably think she's a virgin. It's all deception.

Of course there's women who are loyal and don't sleep around, so you'll just have to weed them out. Thing is, you can never be a 100% sure. Unless you're her best option it can always happen, but don't stress about it, make a few mistakes (don't marry the wrong one and too soon though!). Enjoy life, enjoy every day, because you create your own happiness.

There are rotten apples everywhere (both men and women), but just keep picking them with a smile and throw away the rotten ones as soon as you notice they are. No need to stay angry because you picked a rotten apple, happens to the best of us.

[–]Wolveryn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why feel sad? You get to know the truth, you're like a character in a video game, you can only affect and upgrade you. Maybe you got a harder difficulty... you can choose to accept the difficulty and rise to it.

[–]mrHappyPotatoe 28 points29 points  (5 children)

People have this fairytale obsession that one women can satisfy all their needs. But this is actually humanly impossible by one human. Two humans cant share emotions and hot sex for example. If you start to talk about your hopes and dreams and why mother didnt love you the woman will throw up and lose any atraction for you. Hot sex to exist humans need this "unkown" part to keep things interesting.

[–]iwviw 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is true from my experience and more betas need to know this

[–]Velebit 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Only if your hopes and dreams are oriented towards soft things like freedom, equality and justice for example.

I am a fascist and talking about my hopes and dreams usually gets me 'you are so bad' with a kinky look.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

quote for truth

Not that I like it at all but truth is truth

[–]Velebit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Maybe you can have some added interesting information from this video. https://youtu.be/oldbOFe4gfk

From my experiences leftist women tend to fall for me the hardest and enjoy the banter.

[–]mr_lucky19 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's why you have mates? Women are good for sex and keeping the house clean.

[–]campa56la 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think that man’s ego prevents him from seeing what women are capable of. He thinks he is the best she can get and would never leave a man such as him for another. He commits and then he depends and then the fire is out. Also underestimating a woman’s sexual desire for a muscular and handsome male. They tingle like we get hard.

[–]Velebit 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Because a lot of men are soft and love their mothers and sisters and refuse to see their flaws and hold them accountable for it. There is a strong female bias in culture, it is called gynocentrism and a lot of men feel such an incredible rush of feel good chemicals hit their brains when they feel like they are being useful to a pussy owner who they percieve as weak.

Indeed the whole concept of being a woman is so strongly tied to the idea of weakness that it is retarded. So many men and women buy into men=strong women=weak that it's incredible that reactions I hear irl about all the female fitness models on instagram is that 'they are not women'.

This DIMORPHIC culture is behind idea that women do not cheat... or if they have sex with someone they are not in relationship with, it must be due to her bf or husband being incredibly bad towards them or her simply being manipulated or used by the evil male seducer.

Until we have a culture that exposes pussy owners to same competitiveness, hardship and standards as dick owners we will not see a change.

Ancient Scythians did not allow a girl to be recognized as woman/marry until she served military service and kill a male from other tribes.

That weeded out the soft ones who were removed from the gene pool by ostracism. After that the majority of women would marry and focus on homesteading and normal family life.

It can be done. It has been done.

[–]Kenny_Twenty 1 points1 points [recovered]

This DIMORPHIC culture is behind idea that women do not cheat... or if they have sex with someone they are not in relationship with, it must be due to her bf or husband being incredibly bad towards them or her simply being manipulated or used by the evil male seducer.

There are definitely double standards that women but you picked the single, worst example. Women are slut-shamed when promiscuous. Men are not. So what are you talking about?

Ancient Scythians did not allow a girl to be recognized as woman/marry until she served military service and kill a male from other tribes.

Dude, what? Are you insinuating that's a good idea? What's your point?

That weeded out the soft ones who were removed from the gene pool by ostracism. After that the majority of women would marry and focus on homesteading and normal family life.

So we need to instill a killer instinct into women and that will compel them to be great wives and mothers?

You're weird.

[–]Velebit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The foundation of society is to treat promiscuity as disgusting equally, the notion that male promiscuity became okay before female promiscuity just reflects that the blame for western decline does not reside with women. Republican Rome is the definition of a pure patriarchy and they had a time when you had to get married otherwise you would get ostracized, after getting married, if you were cought cheating you face heavy fines, loss of status or death. If your spouse willingly allowed that, that is another fine. 150 years ago there was simply behavior unworthy of a gentleman. No wonder some of most highest ranking men wrote about their one true love who rejected them and they could not move on. Alpha males have to lead this by example and buy into sacrificing for a higher goal (often religious) first.

Yes. I reject female privilege and spit on anyone who would like to protect them. The white knight genes have to be exterminated. All behavior and especially dimorphic behavior is gene based.

40% of murder that is not gang related is done by women. Stop giving them virtue or even framing sentences as if women lack 'flaws' that men have, like killer instinct. Also instinct, by definition, is not instilled, but bred.

You are soft.

[–]JustDoMeee 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I'm not shocked by the nature of women. It's been so long since I've found TRP, but recently as I've seen more slutty girls, I've been feeling this shitty feeling, this feeling I get when I hear about really slutty shit that girls get up to from friends.

Maybe inadequacy, maybe anxiety, sadness maybe? I don't fucking know but it's just maybe hopelessness.

Thanks for creating this post, today was the day where this feeling was the most prominent and I was hoping I'd be able to talk about it on some asktrp thread and this is perfect.

Someone help me figure this out and sort through it.

[–]BydandMathias 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get you, man. I have that same feeling where I feel a pit form on the bottom of my stomach whenever I have TRP confirmed. It leaves me feeling cold, devoid of emotion, and if someone is talking to me - left with a cold rage for lack of a better term. Having a long-held belief shattered time and time again fuels me to do better and be happier with myself.

I'm just saying you're not alone with your reaction toward the nature of slutty girls.

[–]Velebit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Abandon metaphysics your parents, schools and fairy tales thought you. Easy once you recognize things.

[–]Kenny_Twenty 1 points1 points [recovered]

Next time try not to spam the fucking post button when it doesn't appear to work immediately.

[–]JustDoMeee 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Didn't spam, it was a comment to OP's post and also a reply to another user.

[–]Kenny_Twenty 1 points1 points [recovered]

I mean it's not a big deal but yes, you did spam the exact same comment 4 times in a row.

[–]JustDoMeee 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Oh shit my bad, I think it was cos reddit kept saying unable to post and I kept pressing it.

[–]justathrowaway1424 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Russian roulette is actually 1/6. Do your research.

[–]Wolveryn 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Haha thanks! Updated!

[–]Bruchibre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unless you play with a Beretta or a Desert Eagle

[–]HurricaneHugues 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Im not gonna read all that. But the only guys that are shocked are newcomers and guys who choose to remain ignorant

[–]kayfab 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hhaha well they are strong independent women what you expect.... go online dating and see for yourself... even the 35 plus single fat moms are super shallow....

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

A woman is incapable of loving a man the way he thinks he should be loved.

[–]Charlie_007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then I’d say that You feel that way simply because You’ve never experienced” The right woman”

All the guys on TRP that are busy chasing tail, what do you think you’re going to get?

I’m just saying, if you’re chasing sluts Don’t expect them to change just because you’re so wonderfulj

[–]Kabuki431 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Its easier done by word of mouth rather than trying to unplug the masses at a time. You simply can't.

I unplugged my buddy and it took about a year or more, hard pill to swallow, just acknowledging the fact doesn't do it, acting on it is important part of it.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be honest even when we tell men directly how dangerous this is, how obvious this is, they continue.

The weak will fail and some will fail hard. We can't fix that

[–]2johnnight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

'Love' is the most dangerous drug our men are taking. Not weed, not cocaine, not LSD. They're taking the idea of 'love' and getting high on it and making life destroying decisions.

Def. true. We live in a kind of Narcotic Age.

The rest of your text is Enjoy the Decline, which I heard before. It's not constructive. What TRP gets wrong is the frequent assumption that All Women Are Exactly One Type.

[–]kayfab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hhaha well they are strong independent women what you expect.... go online dating and see for yourself... even the 35 plus single fat moms are super shallow....

[–]2johnnight 0 points1 point  (6 children)

TRP is a sterile ideology. It's just another tool in the depopulation programme.

[–]Wolveryn 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Oooh, which exact program is this? I didnt get the memo... link please?

[–]2johnnight 5 points6 points  (3 children)

It's Operation Gay Disco.

[–]Bruchibre -1 points0 points  (0 children)

hidden agenda to destroy the West

[–]bakamoney -3 points-2 points  (16 children)

Cocaine and LSD is still worse.

[–]TheRedditGod 8 points9 points  (12 children)

LSD isn’t toxic at all, can’t result in OD, and is nonaddictive. So yeah, safer than marriage.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (11 children)

And its incredible for helping you look inward to focus on issues. Its meditation on steroids. An hour or two of intense meditation while on higher doses is like a years worth of daily meditation.

[–]moltenw 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Except thats not what meditation is about. Meditation is about entering the present moment. It is not meant as a way to find issues, because that means you are using your mind. The moment you start using your mind, you've already missed the whole point of meditation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nigga wut

Do you even meditate? Or do you just stare into the abyss drooling like a caveman for 30 minutes?

[–]moltenw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.

You can't meditate using your mind. You just are.

That is all.

[–]1oldredder -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

no, it seems like you missed the whole point

[–]moltenw 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Just like I told the other guy - Read "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.

You can't meditate using your mind, because if you do, you are entertaining your Ego. You can only meditate by being/existing. By this, I mean - whenever you meditate, focus on the sounds, your breathing, your surrounding, BUT without thinking, without giving labels to things. You are just an observer. Just look at them / hear them without letting your mind start giving those things either positive or negative connotations.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You can't meditate NOT using your mind. That's the very nature of what it is.

[–]moltenw 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Explain your viewpoint then, because right now you haven't given reasons WHY you'd need to use your mind when meditating.

If you mean it as "Focus on your breathing" as using your mind, then that's not using your mind. Being an "observer" of things (without labeling them) does NOT equal you using your mind, not in the context of what people usually mean by the word "mind".

If this was not your argument, then I'm all ears.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (3 children)

If your mind isn't being used you are dead or in a coma. Not meditating. Meditation is thought.

"If you mean it as "Focus on your breathing" as using your mind, then that's not using your mind"

Yes it is.

[–]moltenw -1 points0 points  (2 children)

You can call it whatever you want, but you are just nitpicking definitions at the moment.

We both know there is a difference between "using your mind" and "staying in the present moment" and between "Hmm, I wonder if I should go to the barber shop that Greg told me about" and just...observing things without thinking.

Of course we are using our minds all the time, otherwise we wouldn't be alive... I thought this was common sense.

Don't be the "well uhh... technically... " guy. No one likes those.

[–]Wolveryn 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'd say more guys have been chopped at the knees by divorce, lost the house, lost the lifestyle etc... more than cocaine addicts or LSD users have...

[–]ZedBaby 3 points4 points  (0 children)

LSD has helped me out more than Love ever will

[–]AnotherAffan_Khan -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Wouldn't guys jump on upgrades if an opportunity presents itself(assuming your current girl isn't the one you're going to spend your life with)? Isn't it hypocritical of us to accuse women of hypergamy when we would do the same if an upgrade is receptive?

[–]2comment 2 points3 points  (2 children)

More often than not, no. Many guys have a deeply rooted scarcity mindset where'd they rather protect what they have than chase what they don't.

I don't understand what exactly the hypocrisy point should lead to even if true. Do we need to be saints to discuss something of interest to us?

[–]AnotherAffan_Khan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm not a blue-pilled guy. I've seen lot of smack thrown at women for being hypergamous whereas deep-down we all know that we'd fuck as many women as possible if given the chance. I feel that one should accept the fact that both the sexes are opportunists and would grab the better option if available rather than chastising just women. We should plot our moves around this basic fact. I know I sound like a blue-pilled cuck but trust me, I'm not.

[–]2comment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's good to be aware of all that and not wallow in the anger phase...

Before we go to further down the altruistic route, remember that guys are given the short end of the stick in many situations. "Women and children first!" Whiteknighting expected (putting one's body at danger for strange women) and all that. Any thought that the girls shouldn't put themselves in such unnecessary situations to begin with being decried as victim shaming. Never hit a woman (even if it would be self-defense). The draft, war, etc.

Even these days, men are being shamed out of STEM by diversity quotas (instead of encouraging pure merit-based systems) while no one is chasing after other male dominated fields like garbage collection. OTOH, women dominated fields like teaching (rather recent due to most guys being scared of being false pedo charges since the 70/80s) which can be lucrative are left alone.

What I'm saying is that double standards were there for a reason, and it seems we're only lifting them for one side. They existed usually because society recognized that some actions (promiscuous women) damaged the overall social fabric more than promiscuous men and that each gender had a fundamentally different role to play. Everyone has to deal with double standards (ones listed above and many more), but it's another form of gynocentrism to be overly concerned about a womens' lot in life over one's own interests, especially when no one else is going to care about a man's lot in life.

Because if we go that route, eventually even red-pilled men are going to think it's okay to marry ex-CC riders and expect a good wife out of it rather than the divorce and financial ruin coming their way. Hell is always paved with good intentions; look at every communist country that ever existed.

[–]Wolveryn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Guys don't though... a guy can fuck down, across and up.

Girls fuck across or up.

If you earn less money than she does, if you have less of a career than she does, if you're not as good looking than she is, if have less self confidence... you're out, out, out, and out.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if the girl's putting out and good at it there the only upgrade is anothe girl who puts out and is good at it but even better, even more sex.

We don't have to "upgrade" to replace a girl, we can have both girls, just play it right