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This was posted in /r/Tinder, and I thought it belonged here.

[–]bitzin 158 points159 points  (9 children)

The irony is short guys can't do anything to change it, fat people can improve their circumstance.

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[–]Purpledrank 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Can, but don't want to. Else they would be judged like a normal person. Some want the that crutch.

[–]Sleep-less 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Fat people can improve their circumference* ftfy

Edit: shit somebody already made that joke.

[–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 448 points449 points  (71 children)

that's how they understand equality

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[–]maximun_vader 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Hamstering sees no gender... Just lack of desire to self improve and no critical thinking

[–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I see fat guys with thin, petite girls all the time.

Personality is actually everything. Most guys who want a girl to love them for his "personality" have a personality that's repulsive.

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[–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Speaking from personal experience, improving your attractiveness dramatically improves the level of girls you'll get IOIs from and the success rate of your approaches.

After that, frame is everything. If you don't have it, the approach won't go anywhere.

If you're unattractive (and I spent a while as a dumpy dude wearing poor fitting clothing with a beer gut), as long as you can deal with the reduced amount of IOIs/failed approaches, you can still bang plenty of hot chicks as long as your frame is strong.

Do I advocate being dumpy and flabby? Absolutely not. But I think it's worth underscoring just how important strong frame is.

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[–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree men are more hypergamous with a focus solely on looks whereas women are hypergamous both about looks, but also about other factors as well. My personal hypothesis is that physical attraction is what initial interests women, but after that other signs of high value are required for a woman to maintain interest. Guys will general maintain interest based on attraction alone, even if no other signs of a high quality woman are present.

I used hyperbole when I said "all the time". I meant "more than I expect", which would be zero. It's definitely non-zero.

My personal experience is I've scored pretty attractive lays or LTRs when I, frankly, did not find myself at my most attractive. My best theory is that other things are going on, or else that I found women with unusual tastes. (Maybe I'm rating myself too low. I think I'm a 7 or 8, and I think I was a 5 or 6 at my worst.)

[–][deleted] 160 points161 points  (52 children)

Ironically, you can make yourself less fat by not being a fat fuck. The only way to make yourself taller is to use lift shoes or bone extension surgery.

[–]elevul 73 points74 points  (48 children)

The only way to make yourself taller is to use lift shoes or bone extension surgery.

Both of which are considered weaknesses by society...

[–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (28 children)

Its way more painful and expensive to get your bones lengthened. To not be fat, just stop eating so much. They choose to be fat anyway

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[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (17 children)

Meh - I've been rolling 2 1/2" lifts for last 4 months to bump up from 5'9 to 5'11. Haven't been called out on it, even by a 5'11 plate who can clearly see the difference between dressed and barefoot. Of course, when I'm barefoot, shes just been fucked, so there is that.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Im 5'8 but could never wear lifts. Fuck that noise dude, be happy and accept who you are. That doesnt mean not be the best person you can be, but lifts just scream insecurity.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well that's not really fair. Self-confidence doesn't change shit about the fact that some traits are just more preferred in society than others. Are women insecure who wear makeup to make it seem like they have better skin/facial features than they actually do or are they just playing a card they have in their hands?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Not sure where you got insecure from - its like wearing a tailored shirt or a dress watch - An article of clothing that makes you look better.

Kudo's if your game is tight enough you can pull 9's and 10's in gym shorts.

[–]Cthulu2013 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

nah it screams insecurity, sorry bud.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

In-shoe heel lifts - rather than wearing a heeled shoe (which is obvious), I use shoe inserts... I wear boots these days (leather and basketball) to fit them in, but an easy way to buff your appearance without trying.

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Not quite sure why the hate - Chicks like taller men, give them what they want.

Its not like they don't wear pushup bras.

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[–]antidoxdevice 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Women wear heels which adds an extra disadvantage, adding a couple of inches isnt a big deal.

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If cost is your concern, you might want to rethink - You'll need bigger shoes to fit the volume of the lifts plus your foot in them.

[–]IWantToBeNormal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both of which also costs money and counts just as much of a status symbol as special shoes or surgery! If a man will spend money on a nice car or a house or a pair of lift shoes or surgery that done did make that there small people bigger, he'll throw money to a woman so she doesn't have to earn her own living. Don't underestimate the mind of a woman.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bone extension surgery sounds fucking painful.

[–]ImALoneWolfBaby -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I wish I was taller sometimes, I would so much happier with one more inch.

[–]un-affiliated 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It would be a placebo. There's nothing you can do with one more inch that you can't do now.

[–]wubalubadub 9 points10 points  (0 children)


[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (5 children)

the white knighting in the comments is disgusting

[–]mccdizzie 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Most of the comments were calling her a dumb cunt, what wking?

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (3 children)

You didn't see the smug as fuck cunts that said these golden lines?

'don't be so bitter. people are attracted to different people. and dont pretend to be something you're not. sincerely, 6'1 dude.'

or the

'6'2 guy here, laughing my ass off. They have their preferences just like you. Deal with it. Also, you're complaining about people being shallow on what might be one of the shallowest apps out there. Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound?'.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Yeah, they are also the tools that claim they don't have it easier than short men when it comes to picking up women. Most of them have shitty game because its so easy, then they get all bent when a short man with far better game fucks his bitch.

[–]1FloranHunter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Heh, yeah. All of the romantically successful feminist men I know are at least 6 foot. Most are 6'6" or over. I don't know any short romantically successful feminist men.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There won't be. Interesting observation.

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[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (14 children)

I kinda went dark triad and put:

"I am not here to pick up for your fuck-ups because you messed around and had children at a young age and want financial support (I refuse to be sucked into that bullshit "raising a child that isn't mine" vortex)."

All incoming messages have ceased since then.

[–]idontcontributemuch 34 points35 points  (0 children)

At least you're seeing results.

[–]1Zackcid 1 point2 points  (11 children)

Are you experienced with TRP or new?

[–]iKill_eu 35 points36 points  (10 children)

Definitely new. He sounds angry.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (9 children)

Not angry, just stern. The number of fat single moms that roll the same routine gets annoying.

I had originally had: I don't date single moms.

The feminist would then flood my inbox. Appeal to cause and effect by giving reason, and the inner hamster has reason to take an ideal.

[–]iKill_eu 21 points22 points  (8 children)

The problem is that it won't work.

Going full angry straight talk on women doesn't work. It shows desperation, it shows that you can't communicate through subtext, and it lets them hamster it away as you just being "some mad guy". In other words, you'll kill attraction even with non-single moms.

It needs to be more subtle rejection to pierce the hamster's body armor.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children)

What would be a great example of a subtle rejection?

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (5 children)

"I'm a professional and educated man. I have waited to start a family until I know I can raise children without worrying about the financial details. I prefer women whom also make stability a priority in their life before settling down."

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I'd be interested to see how people could modify this to make it more RP.

  • I went light on the details.
  • I chose a way to express "waiting to start a family" as a personal choice.
  • I did mention "without worrying about the financial details", which I think could open one up to criticism. (You don't have good money NOW!?). I think one could trim the 'financial' part of this statement as well to make it a bit more ambiguous. But it could also work in your benefit...who knows.
  • I originally mentioned "career stability", but I took out 'career' and mentioned just stability. This could imply stability of anything, not just job. But someone who knows how to handle being in a relationship, someone whom isn't going out to party every weekend and getting hammered in night clubs.

Essentially, you put it out there that you're not willing to take shit and you want a woman ready to enter an adult relationship.

Using the word 'prefer' rather than 'require' makes you a bit more open. "Require" is such a strong word, and I've found many women don't like strong words geared their way. It makes you sound bossy. However, you can achieve the same effect by simply stating its a preference. Nobody's going to get pissed off at you over a "preference", but they'll scream at you if you make it a "requirement".

"I don't date fat girls" becomes "I work out a few times per week. I would love a lady who can join me at the gym or go out on weekend adventures."

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your good, man.

[–]1FloranHunter 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Damn I wish I could bullshit at your level.

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Thank you.

[–]Masters-Pet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great but it's who, not whom. That's a perfect line though.

[–]atworknewaccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just ignore their messages. Any statement on a dating profile about who you won't date is a bad idea.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seems like with that kind of thing there will be some acceptable women who will write you off as having too much baggage.

[–]badfan 116 points117 points  (3 children)

She got mad because she wants tacit approval to get fat once she's in a relationship.

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[–]1Zackcid 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I was hesitating between that explanation or some sort of "team women" thing where she thinks she needs to stand up for womankind or some shit, thinking that insulting women is like a universal sin or something. Ha!

[–]brontosaurus-rex 18 points19 points  (4 children)

TIL eHarmony only matches women with taller men, because of complaints from women matched with shorter men. Source.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Wow, I wonder if they inform their new male clients of this little tidbit. Doesn't it seem a bit like.... fraud?

[–]brontosaurus-rex 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How is it fraud? You think you're getting the results you searched for, but some were filtered out unbeknownst to you? Could also be referred to as a default setting to accommodate 80% (80/20) of users. Definitely discrimination against short folks at least. Found this blog entry on the eHarmony dating advice section - why women prefer taller men.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In fact I misread the Wikipedia article, for some reason (I blame the demon brandy) I read it as only matching women with men who are on the taller end of the spectrum of male height, not only matching women with men taller then the woman being matched individually. Makes a lot more sense that way, of course. As long as the company lets it be known that is what will actually be happening, then there's no deception.

As for the discrimination, as long as I knew about it and agreed to it, I might even prefer it myself. It's a waste of time to message women who aren't at least the same height or shorter than me, the vast majority of the time.

So, I'd want to know that the filtering was occurring, but even so, I might embrace it as making my own search easier. In real life I've dated lots of taller women, but in real life attraction can be established in so many other ways, and the girl has a chance to get over it, where it seems that online we are only ever a collection of numbers and canned traits, no one gets the gestalt.

[–]infernalsatan 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Girls can say anything and get away with it. This is a brief summary of our world

[–]Pelhamblues 200 points201 points  (26 children)

I'm 5'5' and 43. I love the reactions I get when I tell women I won't date anyone over 115lbs and 23.

[–]Ironhigh 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Except height is unalterable without painful surgeries, while being fat is a direct consequence of a shitty lifestyle.

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[–]steadymotion 4 points5 points  (2 children)

If you live in a cold climate it's actually functional to be a little fat. Not saying it's sexy though.

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[–]through_a_ways 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Being fat doesn't have much to do with cold tolerance. Cold tolerance is mainly dictated by body heat production, which increases with metabolism.

If she was actually good at staying warm, those fat rolls would be fuel for her metabolism.

[–]myschadenfreude 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Sterilization is a joke to her, but blocking because of lack of attraction to fat? Selfish, idiot, woman...so silly.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Typical woman, especially the large women.

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[–]hashtagpound2point2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Christ, who cares what people think.

I'd say most RP knowledge is based around how women think, this post is relevant IMO and is a great example of the level of hypocrisy that you're sometimes going to have to deal with in the dating game.

EDIT: You're absolutely right though. What people should be taking away from this is that everyone has their preferences so stop getting down on yourself because you can't be the perfect guy and just try to become the best version of yourself possible.

[–]26ounce 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Exactly, this belongs on r/mensrights. This kind of stuff raises no eyebrows to your typical RPer.

Also, his texting was way too verbose and overtly trying to bait her.

[–]TheIslander829 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Christ, who cares what people think.

I think you need to read this

[–]Sleep-less 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think everyone should read this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stuff like this hits the red pill a lot sense there are a good number of guys here that arent getting laid and at least partially blame their height.

A lot of bitter shorties and a lot of guys that got cheated on because they got comfortable in a relationship and got fat/disgusting.

[–]torrentialtomato 27 points28 points  (0 children)

  • Women are hypocrites: Shocker.
  • Fat women (scale: 5) only willing to date 8s: Shocker, yet again.

[–]buddhabullshit 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Fat people have no idea what it takes to be lean. Their opinion of skinny/fit people is shallow.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Theres two kinds of fat people.

[–]K3R3G3 29 points30 points  (9 children)

Nice double-standard callout. She quickly changed her tune. She gives a specific height minimum measurement -- How about guys putting specific waist maximum measurement?

[–]ModAerobus 37 points38 points  (7 children)

K. Let's be unreasonable like them. They say 6 ft and above only, which is like what, the top 10 percentile?

Nothing more than 110lbs.

[–]TH0UGHTP0LICE 54 points55 points  (2 children)

Nothing more than 110 pounds, BUT must also have D cups and a badonk-a-donk

Gotta keep it as real as their "Must be a 6 foot tall millionaire underwear model who wants fat, uneducated single moms"

[–]2RedPill4LYF 13 points14 points  (1 child)

And turning eighteen tomorrow. The goal is to be unreasonable, right?

[–]1Zackcid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Naw, I think it's to be as shamelessly arrogant & narcissistic as they are.

[–]K3R3G3 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Sounds good to me. I filled out an online personal ad once...plenty of women said stuff like "I'm only looking for an Asian guy", "Must be over 6 feet tall", "I only like really athletic guys", etc. They gave their preferences so I gave mine. Being not even as selective as those examples, my ad ended with "Non-fat, non-black". The number of angry messages I got from overweight black women was absurd.

So sorry for knowing who I'm attracted to! Please, email me so I can inevitably ask for a photo then reject you when I see it! That's the best way! /s

Just trying to avoid wasting my time and theirs.

[–]macsenscam -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That's fucked up man, I hope you go to hell and have to fuck fat black chicks for all eternity!

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[–]boydeer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

standard deviation appears to be around 2.7 inches, which means 6'1" and above would be about 15% of the population.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

These fat activists really make me laugh. Hit the gym tubby, you can fix this. The short guys you hate so much aren't as lucky.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No way! physics is like racist.

[–]ireallyamnothere 16 points16 points [recovered]

I've dated many taller girls. Mostly taller girls. I've noticed that the tall preference is usually a shit test and a really difficult one to overcome, but usually a shit test nonetheless. Display other alpha traits and they won't care about height. My time as a bass player in a band proved me that. I heard "I don't normally go for short guys..." so many times but the fact of the matter is they just wanted a guy with some serious social proof. I just wish I wasn't a blue-pill retard back then because I squandered some serious opportunities back then.

The catch is that they don't want other people to know they've hooked up with a shorter guy unless he has something they can brag about. They won't date us but a hook-up is relatively easy to arrange. They wouldn't want to admit to their friends they got with us.

I'm fine with that.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

they don't want other people to know they've hooked up with a shorter guy

Wow, so being a short guy really is like being fat girl. Even if you dumpster dive at the end of the night, you don't want anyone to know the next day.

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[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (26 children)

Thank you. Coming from a short guy, reading that meant a lot.

[–]2RedPill4LYF 16 points17 points  (22 children)

If there's one thing that becomes super apparent after taking the red pill, it's that short men are stuck playing the game on hard mode no matter how much they raise their SMV. I ain't saying short men can't get laid, but fuck women are just flat out racist if they ignore short men completely like that. It's one thing to have a preference for someone your own height, but the way you hear the typical woman talk about the subject is just vicious.

I feel for the short men who have to put up with that extra layer of female entitlement. You just got to look at it as another shit test. A shit test they fail because you don't need to waste your time trying to attract women with hang ups that ignorant. If they can't get past something like height, they aren't balanced enough to be worth more than pump and dumpery anyway. Just next them and find the woman who isn't going to dare to give you shit about it because they are good people that aren't so insecure that it bothers them what other people think of their love lives.

-edit- vicious not viscous

[–]Sturmgeist781 9 points10 points  (21 children)

women are just flat out racist if they ignore short men completely like that.


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[–]blue_27 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Being short isn't a race ...

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Dontcha know that if you're less than 6 feet tall your race is considered Hobbit regardless of what your skin color is?

[–]Dishmayhem 13 points14 points  (0 children)

but you get +2 damage with axes

[–]through_a_ways 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women are racist anyway, so whatev dude

[–]Aalewis__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it's like a shitty synonym

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[–]through_a_ways 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Human is a species. Caucasoid/Negroid/Mongoloid are macroraces. European/west African/northeast Asian are races. German/Japanese/Afar are ethnicities. Short and tall are natural variations within a population, due to genetic and environmental factors.

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[–]2RedPill4LYF 2 points3 points  (9 children)

I aint saying they have to be attracted to short men. It's when they flat out discount the credibility for short men to even exist, that's fuckin' racist, and I hear that kind of talk consistently enough to know there are definitely women who think that way. It's the same kind of disgusting ignorance as hating people for the color of their skin.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I don't care if women refuse to date short guys, but by the same token they're going to have to deal with no-goes from the other side.

[–]2RedPill4LYF 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Just that I'm okay with women saying "no short guys". People find attractive what they find attractive. But they have to accept that men will be unwilling to date, say, fat women or women with kids.

All that stuff about sterilization was just her talking shit. It's hard to imagine she was actually serious.

[–]2RedPill4LYF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you. It's just the vulgar attitude about it some people have no problem displaying.

All that stuff about sterilization was just her talking shit. It's hard to imagine she was actually serious.

Yeah, I think she was too busy thinking about hot free downloadable smart phone alpha cock on demand to really give a shit what she was agreeing to after a certain point in that conversation. She didn't sound very smart either. I don't see this as a particularly compelling example of a woman being really discriminating toward short guys other than clearly not wanting anything to do with them.

[–]Sturmgeist781 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Do you know what the word racist even means?

Being prejudice against short guys isn't racist.

[–]2RedPill4LYF 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Realize when you are merely arguing semantics.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It still sounds funny when you categorize short men as a race. Makes me think of oompa loompas or something heh

[–]2RedPill4LYF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you're saying. I'm not saying short men are a race of their own, but there is a pretty common discriminatory line somewhere between 5'8 and 5'10 when it comes to women. You get that kind of ignorance between men, but it's not nearly as obvious or prominent as it is with women.

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No way, you cant know that.

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[–]1Zackcid 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do you get stares from girls and other people who see you with a shorter man?

I think you're being truthful here about your preference (minus that supermodel part), but I'm still curious to know if this is one of those things where most people are somehow offended by. Like when you get an older woman walking hand in hand with a 23 year old stud. Or sometimes even a white guy with an Asian chick.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

A woman on my FB friends list posted one of those 'empowering' slogan pics that said "I may be short but I'm utterly adorable" etc, so I Shared it to make the point that this applies to men.

I do like a fuller-figured woman, but if we have to see all these "I'm not fat, I'm cuddly" memes and accept a woman for who she is, then they can accept us short guys for who we are.

But hey, I'm just a whining wimp who can't get a date, right?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

You're a cis scum misogynist, fuck you. Fat women need acceptance and love.


[–]blue_27 13 points14 points  (0 children)

And cake.

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[–]el_Technico 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Doesn't that back fire whenever you have to inevitably meet the woman. Unless your just trolling.

[–]long-lostfriend 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Shorter guy here. It's life. And there are plenty of hot, shorter women who will not have an issue with it if you are good at eliciting interest from them.

Stop crying about it and work on your game. Insecurity only makes you appear smaller.

[–]MockingDead 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I lived in Wisconsin, can confirm - whole-lotta orcas there.

[–]grateday 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't date an obese women because they don't look like women, and I wouldn't eat genetically modified apple that was square and brown because it doesn't look like an apple.

[–]IM_PRETTY_RACIST 11 points12 points  (3 children)

On this note, I occasionally do online dating. I've been burned out on it for the past few months and haven't really been pursuing, but I have been getting messages.

unfortunately most of these are from fat, older, or fat older women. I have been responding with my reasoning for not being attracted to them (you're too fat, sorry but I only date girls younger than me) - and their responses have been pretty legendary.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I would like to see some of those responses please!

[–]IM_PRETTY_RACIST 6 points7 points  (0 children)

After a couple of months of doing this I plan to post them. Doing it totally passively which means I may get 7-8 messages in a day or I may get 1 in a week.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There angry because they know its true, and your reminding them of reality.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Miami:home to the most entitled hoes in the USA/Cuba.

[–]boydeer 14 points15 points  (1 child)

living in miami, and i just wrote a joke:

Q: what's the difference between a prostitute and a chick from miami?

A: a prostitute doesn't ask strangers to fuck her with no condom.

EDIT: or professionalism

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Plus they are cheaper in the long run.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Been there, was not impressed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Live here. Only semi-impressed.

[–]HMNbean 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I've never had a female criticize me for not wanting to be involved with fat girls - then again this feedback has come mostly from fit girls. I think this reaction comes mostly from girls that won't take care of themselves.

[–]Dreamtrain 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Even the militant feminists that hate this sub can't disagree that chick is a massive bitch.

[–]smkttn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't date obese girls because its fucking unhealthy, and the majority of the time, if a girl is unhealthy, they're also lazy, which speaks a lot about their characteristics, which all in all, I don't find attractive.

[–]Espada18 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Any of you guys come across short chicks (5ft-5ft5) that label guys that are 5ft9 short? I've never been so confused.

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 9 points10 points  (0 children)

We live in a cruel, unfair world. It can be entertaining to expose bullshit like this, but I think it's superior to just acknowledge that hypocrisy and double-standards are pervasive and we're not going to escape them. Once you acknowledge it, you can navigate it and seek the outcomes that you really want.

A bunch of guys cheering at the exposé... why? Are any of us individually better for it? Not really.

There's more to life than pointing out the bullshit of small-minded people. It can be fun, I guess, but it's easy to make it a habit- and that habit distracts you from actually creating value for yourself and others.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I went to Tallmenshoes.com. I convinced my girl to ditch high heels as ugly and painful without telling her I wore Tallmenshoes. My sister blew out her knees with them. Then I ditched the shoes for Doc Martins and a couple of pairs of socks which give 1.5 inches.

[–]LegalPusher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, you convinced a girl to ditch high heels? I've given up trying. My favourite part is the horselike "clip clop" sound they make.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How could anyone take life advice from a being that rejects all men below a certain height (shorter than them in 4" heels), even if he is perfect in all other areas. THAT IS INSANE. If I met the perfect woman with one minor and normal (not freakish) physical trait like smaller breasts... I'm all over that.

[–]aazav 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No. It's because I have a weight limit.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm 5'4 and in my late 40's. My current girlfriend is 5'11 and in her early 30s. I find height irrelevant. Physical condition, and confidence, make all the difference.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The best part is, fat can be fixed, short can't. Not being attracted to someone who can't make themselves attractive? Sure. Not being attracted to someone who refuses to make themselves attractive? What a jerk.

[–]Purpledrank 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What's funny is that it is more insulting personally to them to be called fat than it is for someone to be called short. For someone who is short they just accept that, there is no personal/internal shame in that. But for someone who is fat, not only are you telling them they are something bad, but that it is their fault. You are tapping into a reservoir of personal shame.

Lastly, many women choose to be fat. Believe it or not, that is there way of opting out of social pressure to look good and pressure of being a successful woman. They are shielded from being challenged or judged as a real person, so they chose to comfortably remain as a fat person. The only one thing that they can be judge for at this point is why are they choosing to be fat. And defending their fat life style is the one thing they will stand up for personally.

[–]garlicextract 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Short guys are disgusting."

Unless his bank account has 6 zeroes in it, then he's not quite so disgusting anymore.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whenever tinder sluts call you shallow for saying that you like it when a woman takes the time to exercise and eat well, just ask her if she likes it when a new guy is fat as opposed to in shape. Then ask her if you can call 2 and a half chubby lumps on your torso a six pack like they do.

[–]prairiebandit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post! I was looking forward to the conversation taking a turn for the bloodninja.

[–]blue_27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, that turned quickly. That was hilarious!!! At least fat girls usually have big tittays. And they usually try harder, so they have that going for them. But flat chested bigguns need to stay home with their cats.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not to mention that no one would give a woman shit for only dating thin/fit guys and saying that overweight guys are unattractive.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the only reason she got offended is because she thought you were calling her fat. By saying midwesterners, her hamster will mean to think you are specifically referring to her. If you said she was the exclusion, i bet you should would have agreed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

U jelly, manlet?

[–]MrsStrom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You guys need to join /r/fatlogic. I saw this there yesterday. Nothing but fat women with cardio bunnies for hamsters. It's a riot.

[–]1mr_throwz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this.

She is obviously a strong independent wmanz who don't need no man, and you are just not strong enough to deal with how much of a REAL WOMMNZ she is.

[–]Menadian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's because she can vary her weight and it likely is her own fault for being obese, while a short man have no chance... logic.. right? RIGHT??

[–]twatymcfucknugget 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why should I date a girl im not attracted to in any way shape or form. How does that make me shallow

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 4 points5 points  (4 children)

You would fucking think a woman would love some shorter dudes because then they don't need to kill their feet and backs (because high heels throw the entire spine out of whack) to look good.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Females are hyper-competitive with other females too. It doesn't matter if men are present. They'll behave more feminine and less bitchy when they're around, sure but whether they dress up or not is not entirely dependent on them.

They just have an instinct to be more desirable than the bitch across the floor. I think its part of the reason men aren't as affected by portrayals of desirable men in marketing and media and women are. Because they're always in an imaginary competition with the model on the billboard.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Every wife and girlfriend of 6'+ guys I fucked asked how I could fuck her so hard, fast, and like an animal. Easy, I'm stronger,and my geometry is different so its easy for me to fuck fast and hard.

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[–]TideShifter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can do something about being fat, that is the difference, friends.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess women's opinions matter, especially if it's about your looks right? If a womans opinion such as the one expressed in the linked conversation impacts your frame, you were not good enough to handle that woman. If you're short, get over it and stop fucking using that as a crutch. Go and get laid. Plenty of short dudes are Plowing the hell out of women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Does anyone actually think men are shallow for not dating fat chicks? I think 95% of people agree that sexual attraction is critical to a relationship.

[–]rztzz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The difference being that men grow up constantly hearing women openly state their preferences --tall, athletic, or skinny, etc but short guys are disgusting etc - Men quickly learn that they cannot express their true preferences - fit, busty, Etc are all sort of taboo to openly state in front of women who aren't those qualities.

[–]jonesbusiness 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I was always taught that the only time discrimination is allowed and acceptable is when you choose a life partner. I can't roll with fat chicks. Sorry.

[–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't roll with fat chicks

oh, but you can.

[–]robert_scatozza 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was the girl fat?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they will probably say something like "unfair comparison: only makes sense if you compare man not dating taller girls OR women not dating fat man" how RIDICULOUS!! HAAHA We men of the red pill are so much smarter and more deserving. Feminist logic Ha ha! Don't let me get STARTED on their lack of understanding of Satire

[–]Atreiyu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I usually prefer seddit for my info, but I am still subscribed here for things like this.

I don't agree with being resentful or angry towards women, but this stuff is stuff that needs to change

[–]eazy_bgko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uh no. If your obese thats a choice,a bad lifesyle choice. If your short you will have a hard time changing that. A person who is obese is generally thought of as unatractive. The truth hurts so lose the fat and get in shape.

[–]Freiling 0 points1 point  (0 children)

THA beys

Was this Tim Heidecker?

[–]borderrat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a single man who won't date overweight women and nor will his friends, I can promise you that nobody has ever accused me of being shallow. I like to date women who take care of themselves and can keep up (I'm an active cyclist and runner).

As for publicly making fun of men, well, I can't help you there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm 'big boned'.

[–]ImALoneWolfBaby 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find this hilarious in how sadly true it reflects the views of so many women in society, especially the younger generations. I am not the best looking by far, but I do try very hard to keep a healthy body. Yet these women with this mindset expect prince charming to come along right out of Hollywood as they shove their face with food and think they're hot shit. If I work on myself as a human being, I at the very least deserve the same. My favourite part is when they whip out the "facts" how people are born fact and its hard to lose weight. Who said life wasn't suppose to be hard? Do I or the many many many other human beings look like we enjoy kicking the shit out of ourselves to be healthy?

the concept behind their mindset is so backwards.

[–]Voyager_Nomadique 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Setting preferences based on things you can't change is akin to racism: I don't date short guys - this is absolutely the same as saying you don't date black guys, because those are the things you can't change.

At the same time, weight is something we can and must control. If a chick is fat, it's most likely because she eats consumes more calories than she spends. Height, on the other hand, is not something that depends on your actions.

In other words, this is hypocricy at its best/worst.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Turn them into dogs? You sure women are naturally submissive?

[–]FrostyGoingHisOwnWay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is worse is that being obese is a choice, and speaks to that persons mentality and personality, there's MORE of a reason not to be attracted to an obese person than a short person because being short isn't something you can control, where as your health is.

[–]phx-au 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]PlanB_pedofile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Texting an ex and asked how her dating life has been going (filled with redpill truths) She texted back "date went nice, wished he was a little taller, he was 5'9 and came up to eye height on me when wearing my heels. Other than that, nice guy"

I just read this post too before texting her.

[–]sprookjesridder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She doesn't mean what she says. If a short alpha with a great body and nice ride comes along, she would be on her knees, not on her heels, probably saying something like "i never done this before, you're making me crazy". I don't want to date a woman who lacks physical intelligence. It is not just the appearance, it has to do with my expectations of her mindset and her hobbies.

[–]Felix____ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's nothing wrong with not being attracted to someone who is short. and there's nothing wrong with not being attracted to someone who is overweight.

[–]raouldukeesq 1 point2 points  (2 children)

This is a classic strawman argument. I have never heard anyone call anyone shallow because they do not want to date an obese person. Never. And if someone did make that argument no one would go along with it.

[–]TerryYockey 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Obviously, you've never visited /r/OkCupid.

[–]raouldukeesq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a matter of fact, I have never visited Okcupid. I looked for 20 minutes. That I cannot get back mind you and found no examples.

[–]Mengs87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope it doesn't belong in red pill. Red Pill is about overcoming those barriers and getting the girl's inner hamster to work for you - "yeah, he's a little short BUT he's buff/rich/hot/high SMV"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This is a moot argument due to the fact that sexual preference and the search for a partner is the very definition of discrimination at its core and every human is guilty of it.

So crying about someones discriminatory behavior while choosing a mate is pretty much a giant waste of time. I would personally rate the act of telling someone who that person should be attracted to as being one of the most worthless acts in human history.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No way. Anyone who discriminates should go to prison.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–]rondeline -1 points0 points  (1 child)

OK, thanks for stating the obvious but its weakness to bitch and moan about that kind of petty shit.

[–]el_Technico 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It isn't weakness to point out another persons hypocrisy.

[–]modawg -1 points0 points  (13 children)

The guy who runs okcupid shared a pretty interesting statistic. White women are the least likely group to date outside their race. ANY OTHER GROUP... That means that white guys, black women, etc., are more likely to date outside their race than white women.

I have a problem seeing how that's not racist. AFAIC, if that stat is representative, white women are the most racist group in America. How does that rationale play out? "I simply don't prefer niggers, gooks or sand monkeys. Just a preference... I prefer to engage in race control with my vagina. No way I'm bringing that shit home to my family. Tee hee!"

I wonder how many of them identify as feminists. What does feminism say about racism via race preferring? Shouldn't it be opposed? You know, because inequality sucks?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A core tenant of feminism is that nothing women do can be opposed.

[–]RedFlagsAreGood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was a survey done on /r/OkCupid about dating preferences. The numbers came out almost identical to okcupid's stats. You'd think it would have been different given that redditors are more liberal than the general population.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children)

Most white women don't want Asian men because of the stereotypes. Sand monkeys (lol) have the terrorist thing going on and not too much SMV. When a white girl fucks a black guy she usually isn't going to look for that online she'll probably just go to the club or a party for that if she's looking for a one night stand.

[–]modawg -2 points-1 points  (9 children)

Yeah. Those justifications are all racist.

The general rule is that the face of the white woman is the new face of racism. No longer the skinny bald white guy with a SS or swastika tattoo on his hands. It's your average bouncy temperamental vapid white girl.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

To be fair, they're allowed to have their preferences. You can't force anyone to fuck someone. I just don't like it when they get mad when men have their own preferences as well (like not wanting to wife up sluts).

[–]modawg -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Yes. It is perfectly legal to be base your dating preferences on race. No one can force another person to fuck anyone. The point is that almost every other group has grown more tolerant except for white women.

Look, brah, we could argue about this until the cows come home but there's a pretty interesting documentary on Netflix called Slanted Screen that sorta makes the argument that race based romantic discrimination by white women against Asian men was artificially constructed and reinforced. You should watch it before you nonchalantly dismiss how insidious this type of discrimination is.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I agree that the portrayal of Asian men in the Western media is pretty messed up. I also agree that women (of all races) allow the media to shape their desires much more so than men. However, I don't think women are obligated to date outside their race if they don't want to. The majority of women in every race end up pairing up with their own (even Asian women in America).

[–]modawg -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

No one is saying that anyone is obligated to do anything. The KKK isn't obligated to use their right of free speech to not say positive things about minorities. It's just that when they do, it's racist. Perfectly fine. Perfectly legal. Just happens to be racist. I'm not saying they should be baked in ovens and then be given an acid bath. Just like I'm for freedom of speech I'm for the freedom to date. I'll argue for a white woman's right to say "fuck you nigger. I'm not going to let your nigger dick anywhere near me you fucking nigger piece of shit." I'm just going to acknowledge that it's racist. That's just part of swallowing the red pill. Acknowledging the not so obvious bullshit that exists.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

A woman having racial preferences when it comes to her own sex life is not racist bro. People aren't entirely in control of what they are sexually attracted to. It's biology. Some people are just more inclined to date within their race than others naturally. You sound pretty blue pill and pretty bitter to be honest. If you're a black dude and you're following red pill ideology then you shouldn't have a problem fucking white sluts as long as you don't live in Texas or something. Plenty of black guys claim to be spearing white chicks with their "BBC" so if you aren't able to do the same I would say it's your problem to fix.

[–]modawg 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I feel like I'm running in beach sand by arguing something so basic. Treating someone adversely different due to their race is racism. There's ABSOLUTELY nothing biological about it. To be honest, I think you sound like a white guy satisfied with the racist predisposition of white women because it might help your odds with white women. Perhaps we're both wrong. Maybe we should just agree to disagree.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

No. You sound like an imbecile who can't come to grips with the brutal nature of reality. You are not entitled to being sexually attractive to every white woman on Earth. Some of them are going to reject you for being a black man, some of them are going to ACCEPT you for being a black man. I've seen both happen. That's life. You think that every white woman should be required to give black men a chance, that's bullshit and it makes you sound like an entitled baby. If they are happy dating white men and aren't comfortable going outside their ethnic group then that's their decision. You want every white woman to have sampled black, asian, and every other kind of dick out there before making a decision on what they want. That's ridiculous. The saying "opposites attract" doesn't actually add up because in reality most stick with their own. This doesn't just apply to white women either since it occurs across all racial and ethnic groups.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

not just buying a pocket pussy to never talk to women again

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thankfully for me, it's genetically impossible (high metabolism) for me to get fat, and physically impossible (due to me only having 20% left of a stomach from invasive adenocarcinoma surgery in my stomach.)

If that makes it to where I'm “incapable of empathy for fatties" then so be it, I wouldn't fuck one/date one to save my life. Call me shallow, it just let's me know I have standards.

[–]FreetoFire -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also, "All men are rapists!"


[–]WacktheMedic -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This is an anecdotal story from one woman - how is that applicable to women as a whole? She's a shallow idiot, move on.

[–]randomredditor352 -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Hahah. Holy fuck though that guy was beta agreeing and exaggerating everything she said like a little dog who wants his bond. One of my best mates who gets more girls than anyone else I know is 5'7" and he's gotten with 5'10"+ girls before. Height doesn't matter if you have decent facial aesthetics and game. I don't know if the stupid woman or the bets male annoys me more here. His game is shit.

[–]Link_GR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think he was being sarcastic just to prove a point

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