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Rant/VentingToday I saw first hand how chicks use guys like an ATM's (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by esirnus18

I've been on the pill for little over six months now and I agree with like 80% of things on here. After today maybe that number went up to like 95%. Just usual Sunday afternoon and I decided to go for couple of drinks to my local trendy watering hole where all the action is. Surprise surprise, after only 5 minutes or so some HB8 sits down next to me and starts being friendly with me. She commented on my choice of beer which was a really strong imperial stout like 9% avb, and how she likes it so much and haven't had one in a long time. Now few months back my old blue pill self wouldn't think twice, and just bought the beer to the smiling lady. Not this time, after spending some time on TRP I immediately noticed red flags popping left and right.

  1. Her toes were pointed directly at the bar, even though she was turned towards me.

  2. She was looking through her phone the entire time.

  3. Her dialog was strangely prepared like she answered in these short bursts of information, all without eye contact.

After noticing all of that I quickly tried a simple test. I told her that if she likes that beer so much, she should get herself a pint. To witch she just looked at me and said " Sure I'll just have to visit bathroom really quick'

Boy oh boy was I right about this chick. After the bathroom break she never returned to the same spot, instead she stopped just on the opposite side of bar where group of "Dad Bod" overweight betas were munching on French fries and sipping beer. Soon enough they started pouring her beers and buying her shots. I've never seen such a desperate bunch of idiots in my entire life, they were fighting for her attention like a group of rescued puppies most of them had wedding bands on their fingers. This went on for another hour or so , I'm sure the collective bar tab was running in the high 100's and half of this was just this chick.

Minutes later she picked up a phone call said something to the tune of: she'll be right back. I saw her skipping the bathroom and exiting through the back door. I moved my way around the bar so I can have a peak on the parking lot, sure enough the "ill be right back lady" jumped into a black Ford Mustang filled already with some girls in the back and driven buy some dude with really muscular forearm.

Another bullet dodged and lesson learned my friends. Do not be the "Free Drink Fountain" for these hoes. She was probably going to a party and needed pre fix to lighten the mood.

I just cannot believe that only few years ago I was one of those poor suckers. Even worse I used to thought half way through it that I must be doing really great cause she accepted another drink.

EDIT: Guys I didn't expect this will blow up so much but thanks for all the messages. This shit really did happen and exactly like I described. The place was build in a Oktoberfest German beer garden style it's in Florida so lots of open space see thru walls and this sort of thing. I really didn't need do James Bond spy shit to fallow the situation.


[–]grewapair 732 points733 points  (150 children)

An ex friend of mine does that on Tinder for free meals. Hates men, loves food. All first dates are upsold to an expensive restaurant, minimum $200 tab.

One guy spent $800, no lie. He was only one of two who ever got a second "date". He bought her tickets to a museum for the second date. She got there, said she was too hungry, could they eat first. Never went to the museum. Never saw him again.

The other guy bought front row concert tickets for a group she liked. $1000 for the pair for their second date. She no-showed him.

She complained to me that all the free dinners were taking too much time. "Can't they just give me the money?"

[–]menial_optimist 532 points533 points  (50 children)

I remember listening to a Tom Leykis radio caller who said he took one of these dinner whores on a date to an expensive restaurant. Last minute she wanted her fat friend to come who "just broke up with her boyfriend" and wanted to be cheered up. He reluctantly accepted. During the date before ordering he had to use the restroom. On the way back from it just the way the restaurant was situated, he happened to pass right near the table without them noticing, and he overheard his date encouraging the fat friend to order the expensive dish because he'll pay for it, and that it's okay because she already decided she won't see him again.

He then waited until they ordered and decided to fake a phone call, to which he said he'd be back in a second. He got up and walked out to the parking lot and just drove home in his car leaving them with the bill.

[–]landon042 354 points355 points  (39 children)

curious how this shit works because i see a youtube channel idea in the making. trolling gold diggers that want free food

would be hilarious

[–]Cousieknow 66 points67 points  (34 children)

What would be the general opinion of waiting if they ask if the check is split/together and saying split it and see their reaction? Would this be something not condoned as it's a 'bitch move' or just stupid for sitting with them the whole time? Or would it just be hilarious.

Genuinely asking.

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE 68 points69 points  (15 children)

They usually don't ask at expensive places, they just assume the man will pay or that it's together. Just like they don't ask if you know that the wine you're drinking is shit.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Just like they don't ask if you know that the wine you're drinking is shit.

You mean always. Restaurants overcharge for wine you can get at 1/5 the price from the vendor, then bank on how most customers will assume something is good just because it costs a lot. Most of the wine on the menu is shit. They'll still overcharge you for it and never tell you.

They usually don't ask at expensive places, they just assume the man will pay or that it's together.

The classy way around this is to get up to go to the bathroom after the main course (but before the bill), then on the way pull your server aside and ask for separate bills.

If you know your date is a gold digger, you can even settle your half up front while you're "in the bathroom", stick her with her meal and wine, and then sneak out the back.

[–]Cousieknow 17 points18 points  (13 children)

Yeah that's fair.

Sadly not a wine drinker though, I usually get a beer or a Manhattan. How do people not tell shitty wine apart?

[–]siege342 82 points83 points  (6 children)

It's not shitty if you like it.

[–]hyugafan 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Dont listen to wine snobs, this is the secret to drinking wine. I don't care if it's a Chateau Lafitte 1978 or a bottle of Wallaroo, if you're enjoying it then it's gonna taste good.

[–]Cousieknow 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I can respect that.

[–]Turkerthelurker 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Inexperience. They're all shades of shit until you learn what you prefer (basically alcohol in general)

[–]internetuser5736 26 points27 points  (1 child)

There are examples of wine tastings where the wine tasting "experts" are given the same wine multiple times and they describe and rate it differently each time.

[–]Atticus_Crowley 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Most wine snobs can't tell the difference between a 50 year old merlot, and the 10 dollar red you get at trader joes. If you're curious about wine, go on a wine tasting tour at a winery, could be a fun date. It's how I found out that I absolutely love port wine.

[–]Cousieknow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually have a tour planned to go to the Distillery that makes my favorite whiskey. (whiskey is TX, made by Firestone and Roberts)

I'll think about that for a date idea. We've got some local vineyards

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most wine snobs can't tell the difference between a 50 year old merlot, and the 10 dollar red you get at trader joes.

Well, first, you shouldn't be drinking a 50 year old Merlot. In general, Merlot gets a bad rap because of the film Sideways. People drink it because it "sounds French" and because it's like drinking a Cab, only without the punishment.

The best advice, given upthread, is, of course, to drink whatever you happen to like.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

i did that last week

I have never seen a woman's face become so ugly so fast

[–]landon042 21 points22 points  (9 children)

not sure what you're really asking,

but the hilarious part would be ordering shit and then you leave without her knowing, forcing her to pay

im wondering laws on this, think about it, girl comes to dinner, she says some shit like idk where he went, now she has to pay, talking to restaurant people like she assumed you were going to pay because thats what 99% of them do, that's why it would be hilarious having there reaction when they realize they gotta pay and your not there, and ive heard before here, girls will "magically leave there wallet at home" because they didnt think they would need, again assuming a random guy you just met will pay for everything

[–]KCMOVIEBUFF 23 points24 points  (6 children)

Here's a video :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GP4v8Ot8g4

p.s. The video is fine, but beware that if you click on a link in the Description to view some nude selfies the gold digger sent to the guy (her face is supposedly masked), a Paypal window comes up asking for $1.50, so don't bother.

[–]alexjsaf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"I'm gonna get that. She's gonna get that. We're all gonna get that!" His commentary makes the whole video

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bitch, you can literally order whatever you want and you choose a diet coke? Wow.

[–]spencerc25 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you're aware that the girl is just using you, I see no issue in splitting. I think most girls are cool with paying on first date, whether they admit it or not (at least my experience). It's all how the frame is handled. (fyi I don't do dinner dates for first date so not speaking in regards to that type of first date)

[–]sacriliciously 18 points19 points  (2 children)

But then you get these double standards. Arrest warrant out for a guy who "dined and dashed" like this.

[–]landon042 17 points18 points  (1 child)

YES exactly what i was looking for, why a warrent out for him,

oh that's right restaurant, police and girl all expect guy to pay for girl

first date and they dont know eachother, NOOO theres no posibility at all the girl was going to pay, that never entered their mind, thats the funny part

[–]menial_optimist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

holy shit that would be funny. too bad raging feminists would knife you.

[–][deleted] 94 points95 points  (5 children)

holy shit I wanna do this so bad. One time a girl who looked nothing like her pictures was ordering before me and I told the cashier we would pay separate. She said "no it's a first date you're supposed to pay"

I walked away, but it was easier to be done considering face was ugly

[–]0kool74 116 points117 points  (1 child)

oh man you missed an easy lay-up there. you should have told her "and yeah you were supposed to look like your pictures." then walk away :-)

[–]BlackHeart89 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Same thing happened to me. Except the waiter asked us if it was together. I said separate. That was the last time I saw her and the 2nd to last time I used a dating app.

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    [–]Phroneo 123 points124 points  (14 children)

    I honestly don't know what's worse. Your ex-friend, or the guys who thought it'd be a good idea to spend so much money. Those sums could more than pay for a prostitute and gym membership!

    [–]skankHunter42-2016 33 points34 points  (8 children)

    Well she's a bitch (food prostitution) and they are stupid for accepting a first expensive dinner.

    [–]1grubek 39 points40 points  (2 children)

    She's not really a prostitute, there is no sex involved, that's what makes it even more pathetic. She is just tricking the guys by insinuating sex might be on the menu.

    [–]Hombremaniac 26 points27 points  (0 children)

    True, a prostitue is atleast prepared to give something back.

    [–]1empatheticapathetic 55 points56 points  (4 children)

    If you invest that much into a stranger you're an idiot, period. Forget about AWALT or anything, there's conmen and conwomen everywhere. The women might suffice at an expensive meal, a more ambitious con man might ruin you financially.

    [–]_elgato 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Some people hadn't have the luck to find TRP, give them time or show them the way

    [–]PinkySlayer 46 points47 points  (2 children)

    That has very little to do with the pill and a whole lot to do with common sense. I don't care if you're a fucking HB 9000, I'm not dropping a band on someone I know nothing about. Honestly the problem is that too many dudes value pussy over their own dignity or sense of self worth. I would rather go without sex and focus on my life than get played like a fiddle and go broke just to maybe end up with some whore offering you pity sex after you pay her rent and her boyfriends student loan payment for a date.

    [–]thescaper1997 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Bro wtf thats beta as fuck I approach 10,000 girls a night and have slept with 1000 girls. -Typical response from some one on here

    [–]adolfsbff 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I literally know a thin cute blonde that will fuck for $40, kinda puts a date into perspective. I knew a cute brunette that was a complete freak that would fuck for $140. I don't even have the motivation to ask bitches out anymore knowing what $40 can get me.

    [–]WhorehouseVet 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Just fly to Thailand for some cheap booze and cheap whores.

    [–]srgio123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Maybe some surprise dick on the side if you're into that.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 44 points45 points  (3 children)

    This is another thing that's as old as time, but technology has made it easier for the freeloaders to get a free meal. It used to be like OP said, where she actually had to go fishing for a shmuck at a local dive, or find some thirsty acquaintance to string along.

    First date is automatically someplace that money isn't involved. Walk in a state park, go over to the public beach for a Saturday afternoon, or movie night at your place. You'll very quickly weed out the freeloaders that way.

    [–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (4 children)

    with online girls, you never commit to a first meetup beyond "drinks" and even then, be ruthless in that. if you show up and she's not looking like her profile, there's no loss in ducking out. she doesn't want to be honest with something she'll get busted for in the first 10 seconds... why are you going to waste money plus the next hour (or more) of your life listening to a liar spout about how she likes to travel and do a bunch of shit that she never actually does? you'll feel like an asshole the first time you do it, but if more guys did this, women wouldn't use such ridiculously diff pics. you'll also get better at discerning landwhales from hotties.

    if you don't bail on her for being a lying landwhale, order the first round plus a water for each of you. cut it off after an hour no matter what. if she was going to dig for gold, now she has to re-invest (girls hate this shit because it takes them 2 hours just to get ready for drinks). if you're doing well with your pipeline, you see a new girl or two, followed by a plate, and it becomes easy to get laid by 5+ women a week because the pipeline is always full.

    currently experimenting with "getting coffee" (i don't even drink coffee).

    [–]leviathaan 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Interesting theory. Why the water?

    [–]francisco_DANKonia 29 points30 points  (13 children)

    Who the fuck would pay $200 on a first date? Even if I were a millionaire, I would keep it to like $80 max

    [–]grewapair 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    She got dozens of matches a day. All she needed was one of them to agree to it.

    [–]asktrpthrow123 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    80$ on a first date? The hell? I wouldn't spend more than 5-10$ on a coffee and snack.

    [–]79rustyk10 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Exactly this. The first date is just an interview to see if the woman is worthy of more time, and money.

    [–]alexclarkbarry 8 points9 points  (7 children)

    Just pull a Trump, own lots of expensive places that you can take women on dates to at no cost

    [–]francisco_DANKonia 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    This is 100% the way to go. I know guys who kill it because they just ask women if they want to go to their mansion to sit in the jacuzzi, play pool, or whatever other expensive toys they have.

    [–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 31 points32 points  (0 children)

    One of the best comments I've ever read on here (referring to a Blue Pill Beta still trying to get over his One-itis):

    "You're listed in her phone as 'FREE DINNER'".

    Ouch.

    [–]vezokpiraka 43 points44 points  (4 children)

    I barely go out to a McDonalds with people I don't know and these guys are paying $200 worth of food to a stranger?

    [–]Five_Decades 26 points27 points  (1 child)

    The thirst is real.

    Asian massages start at $40 for anyone considering spending $200+ on a first date.

    [–]JTPish 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    I mean, if she just gets naked for me and lets me fuck her, we can skip all the pretense and treat her for what she really is.

    [–]grewapair 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    She had no intention of ever doing anything for anyone.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    I'm sure there's a website out there where she can sign up to have a sugar daddy.

    [–]grewapair 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    She tried that too. She said the guys all wanted her to travel with them on business for weeks at a time, precluding any real job, but weren't going to pay as much as she could earn.

    [–]bluexcollar 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Sounds like a quality human. Glad she's an ex friend.

    [–]Pelikahn 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    Why doesn't she drop the facade and just become a full blown escort? Oh yeah, have to uphold the good girl act. "Life is just so hard!".

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      [–]lnternetLiftingCoach 21 points22 points  (2 children)

      What a repulsive excuse for a human being.

      [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 16 points17 points  (1 child)

      It is her instinctual drive to horde resources for herself, some of which will pass to her offspring. She appears to be very successful at it, which improves you survival and those of children around her.

      [–]RealMcGonzo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      One of my previous plates (who was fucking amazing in bed, OMFG) had a date setup from POF. First date for these two. Guy took her to Ruth's Chris, then a musical with tix at $160 each, at least. And he got nothin. WTF, even in my worst BP daze, I never, ever would have dropped 5 benjies on a first fucking date. Not even if I knew I was getting laid.

      [–]TRPTosser 10 points11 points  (1 child)

      She complained to me that all the free dinners were taking too much time. "Can't they just give me the money?"

      She should start listing her services on Backpage.

      [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      As the wall approaches and she has no BB locked down, she will.

      [–]BlackHeart89 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I'm pretty sure these guys didn't get to the point of having that much money to waste without realizing that there was a high probability of it being wasted. That's just how the game works. Kudos to the girl. Probably land whale though. Should have gotten them for a diamond necklace or something. But no. She wanted food.

      [–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Exactly why if they don't say ok to something free or a coffee date then you're wasting your time.

      [–]prodigy2throw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I think your friend may have accidentally found the worlds newest profession

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        [–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 60 points61 points  (3 children)

        This comment is like being angry at a puppy when it pisses on the floor. Anger is a function of mismatched expectation compared to reality. Her behavior here is encouraged by the men who support her when she behaves this way.

        You can't change her fundamental instincts, so it's stupid to be angry about things like her desire to acquire resources from foolish men. Instead, it is more productive to focus on the man's behavior in this situation. Educate the men to recognize that behavior from women, and these situations will play out differently.

        [–]Kalidane 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        And it's a very successful strategy for many of these girls. It's just silly to get angry at them for being better at the game of life.

        [–]aanarchist 110 points111 points  (37 children)

        don't spend money on women who haven't committed a lot of their own energy to you. don't spend time on women who aren't interested in you. tbh it makes me wonder why guys never considered women asking to buy her drinks is a basic shit test, like she has a job she can afford her own alcohol. welcome to the red pill.

        [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] 109 points110 points  (31 children)

        I'm reminded of the Mark Manson article where he describes the "Fuck Yes!" idea. If a woman you're interested in dating isn't all "fuck yes!" to going on a date with you, then she's not worth bothering with and you're likely wasting your time.

        https://markmanson.net/fuck-yes

        Women should be excited to see you, want to be in your company, etc. If they're not, then it's time to find new women to spend time with. If you can't find women who are happy and excited to see you, then you have work to do on yourself to improve your SMV and/or likeability.

        [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (27 children)

        The problem with that article is that it doesn't acknowledge the inherent tradeoff between enthusiasm and quality. I don't care who you are; unless you are literally a movie star or professional athlete, there is some echelon of women who will just tolerate you and fuck you a few times before moving on. Everyone has to make this call. Would you rather have an 8 who adores you, or a 10 who is lukewarm to you?

        [–]Slut_Slayer9000 12 points13 points  (23 children)

        Raise your SMV. The higher your SMV is the more enthusiastic chicks will be. If she isn't enthusiastic enough more then likely its because both yours and her smv is around the same (which is bare minimum requirements for a girl to fuck you) or your's is below hers which is not good (yeah you can possibly fuck if the situation is right but 9/10 times you're wasting your time). Girls always date up, men date down on the SMV scale that's just how it goes.

        [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 10 points11 points  (2 children)

        The point was that if they're not invested in being with you, then it's time to move on. She has to have a certain level of excitement over dating you.

        This is one of the reasons I choose not to date older women. By the time they hit 30 they're so jaded and cynical they're almost impossible to get excited over a guy. It comes back once they are in their 40s because a guy has finally given given attention again lol

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          [–]LanAlMadragoran 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Wow wow wow. This fuck yes idea just made so many moments in my life make sense. This is why I love TRP when suddenly something you already knew in the back of your mind pops into the front of your mind and just clicks! Thanks for the fuck-yes rule.

          [–]danrodriguez7647 13 points14 points  (3 children)

          Really just don't give money to or buy things for strangers and expect anything in return. Also if you're worried about people trying to use you for free meals, go Dutch or find a cheaper date.

          If someone won't be with you unless you spend money on them, they don't want to be with you.

          [–]crimsonkodiak 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          There's a term in the glossary for this "covert contract".

          If you spend money on someone expecting something back that they haven't agreed to give you, that's on you, not them, when you don't receive it.

          [–]aanarchist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          really you should just follow your gut. too many dudes try to buy their way into the pussy, when they should be focusing on how they feel around her and on having a good time and building a connection rather than putting her on a pedestal and trying to supplicate to her. most dudes are taught to not treat themselves like human beings, to ignore their own feelings and thoughts, their needs and their preferences, to just be mindless slave machines.

          [–]francisco_DANKonia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I think this is the core message here. Well done.

          [–]1theoctopuss 105 points106 points  (21 children)

          Not even two weeks ago some bitch tried this on me, except get this: it was through Facebook.

          This is some drug slut that happened to live in the house next door to the one I grew up in. Hadn't seen her in years, she grew up into a 20 year old HB8 with a drug problem.

          I noticed she sent me a request one day. Whatever, I accepted it. A few days later she sends me a message. Keep in mind that the last I had seen her, she was 13 or 14 so it's been a few years. The message went something like:

          Her: "Hey theoctopuss, do you remember me? We used to live next to eachother lol! Anyways, I was gonna ask you a favor..."

          Thanks to my red pill training, I had a feeling where this was going. I was going to get some entertainment, so I bit the hook.

          Me: "What's the favor?"

          Her: "Well I moved into and apartment a few months ago but I don't get paid until next week and my rent is due, my creepy landlord says he'll kick us out if we don't pay in three days. I'm $120 short so can you help me out? It's only $120."

          I thought to myself "fuck, I wonder what kind of drugs this bitch needs to ask people like me for cash."

          Naturally I left her dumb ass on read. Within an hour she sent a follow up "?" text. I didn't respond and haven't heard from her since. Hoes goes hoe, bro.

          [–]Arroway2357 147 points148 points  (4 children)

          I love how she also tried to trigger your White Knight mode by describing her landlord as "creepy". Yeah, that awful, creepy landlord who is bothering them because he has the audacity to want the money they owe him.

          [–]1theoctopuss 56 points57 points  (3 children)

          Right? It's like they're used to guys bending over backwards for them. They literally don't know what to do when a strong framed man isn't putting up with their shit. They instinctually get flustered or try to turn on slut mode.

          Newsflash: I knew you were a slut the second you added me on facebook.

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            [–]wheresMYsteakAt 14 points15 points  (0 children)

            Should be like "120? Thats only like 6 blowjobs, whats the problem?"

            [–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 26 points27 points  (1 child)

            Should've worked out a deal to get 6 blowjobs from her. $20 a pop seems like a reasonable rate for a toothless meth-head BJ.

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              [–]Mayaparisatya 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Were they so miserable that they started annoying and pestering some unknown dude in social networks?

              I would hardly believe that, but I know too many real life examples of such white knight behavior.

              And... Was there a lack of people? I think it would be easier to find another person for that.

              [–]juliusstreicher 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              I like the "throw us out". Who is/are the other(s)? Her POS crackhead boyfriend who's too lazy to work or even ask himself, her child and bf?? She asks a supposed WK for money, not just for herself, but, for WTF knows who else, without so much as a handjob.

              [–]1empatheticapathetic 30 points31 points  (1 child)

              my redpill training kicked in Really? You needed the redpill to know not to loan a drug slut aquaintance three figures? I doubt you would have done so even without TRP.

              [–]1theoctopuss 23 points24 points  (0 children)

              Before I wouldn't have asked what the favor was. I'm at the point where thsee types of situations amuse me. If it was 5 years ago, I would have been angry and called her out.

              [–]turn20left 5 points6 points  (2 children)

              Should have strung her along...

              [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 20 points21 points  (1 child)

              Gotta get my dick sucked first, then maybe.

              [–]Warren_Bates 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Perhaps this is implied, but condom use strongly suggested

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              [–]ZXMarvin 214 points215 points  (45 children)

              Working bars when I was at Uni allowed me to see some messed up stuff. Guys paying over and over to be treated like a fool before the HB7 goes home with the one dude who didn't buy her a drink.

              The reality is that From the chick at the bar or the girl stringing along her beta orbiters right up to the Findommes that hang around kink scenes, men literally forking over £100's to appease some 20y/o slut - women have no problem taking money from beta's who think they can buy their way to natural desire.

              It's more common than you think though. My first girlfriend had this dude who would buy her stuff and give her money with no reciprocation. And my Sister strung along some dude who brought her the most expensive things, all whilst she was banging his friend. Then she became pregnant and BetaBux said 'I know it's not mine but I'll help raise it with you'.

              It's sad because these guys have become so emotionally fucked up that they think this is intimacy. They believe that they can buy their way to the top to secure attraction and natural selection - but it tends to be that the moment you do actually spend out on a woman is the moment you go down in estimation.

              If a girl asks me for a drink at a bar now days I just say some unoriginal version of 'Only if you buy me one first'. I once told some chick to 'Buy her own fucking drinks' one night though, and she cried to her beta orbiters that the Ready-to-Rape Toxic-male cis scum at the bar was bullying her...

              Of course two hours later she was going home with me, and her friends were still stalking her FB.

              [–]1GroundhogLiberator 129 points130 points  (32 children)

              I reinstalled tinder a few weeks ago. I matched with a girl whose bio opened with "venmo me so I know it's real." I asked her if any guys sent her money. She said that maybe 20 guys had sent her money and that she'd collected at least $300. One particular guy sent her $100.

              I asked her if she ever went out with the guys who sent her money. She said she never even matched with the guys who sent her money. I asked if she thanked them and she said she "[had] no way to contact them." I don't use venmo but I know that you can see who sent you money. I said something along the lines of "that's pathetic" and she just said it was hilarious. I unmatched her and Uninstalled tinder.

              I know we shouldn't let shit like this upset us, but this was too much for me. I got angry again just writing this.

              [–]elchucknorris300 132 points133 points  (9 children)

              Looks like I need to create a fake female tinder profile and venmo account

              [–]Modredpillschool 75 points76 points  (0 children)

              That's not the worst idea I've heard...

              [–]Steve_Wiener 16 points17 points  (1 child)

              It's a simplified method of e-whoring.

              I tried e-whoring for a little while. It works and the scam has been around a long time. It is time consuming though. This would be easier.

              [–]RoughTeddy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              You could make a killing in SF. The amount of BP in that city is incredible.

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                [–]hyugafan 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                If you had more entrepreneurial spirit and/or actually gave a damn, that sounds profitable. Imagine opening dozens of these accounts and watching the dough roll in.

                [–]1GroundhogLiberator 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                You've gotta be breaking some law if you use someone else's photos to dupe someone out of their cash.

                [–]hyugafan 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                The porn industry's been doing it for years. Plus, what are they gonna do, go to the cops and tell them "I gave money to an attractive woman in the hopes of sex and then....". Congrats on admitting solicitation, numbnuts. At best the desk officer will laugh you out of the station, at worst he'll bag you for attempted prostitution. Same rationale as a pimp threatening to break your legs if you don't give him 100$ extra.

                [–]wanderer779 30 points31 points  (4 children)

                I really only get mad at society for lying to us about women. They are going to do this stuff so there's no sense getting mad about it. I just wish I'd had a dad or someone to point this shit out.

                [–]Aaronindhouse 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                Yeah, this really is the big problem. The reason the red pill works is because it exposes the truth of how things work. The truth used to be much simpler decades ago. You had men who knew these truths and weren't considered sexist mysoginysts(can't even spell the damn word right) for speaking it.

                [–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                The truth used to be much simpler decades ago. You had men who knew these truths

                No they didn't. That is where all the blue collar (laugh off the beta) comedy comes from. 70s & 80s is brutal. This is when birth control (1950) also became more accepted and available.

                Don't let the "old guys knew better" bullshit fool you about today. There is a top percentage of people for a reason. Can't have a planet of Alpha's.

                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                I just wish I'd had a dad or someone to point this shit out.

                at least we have the internet. before we'd have to stumble through this shit on our own and wonder 'why doesnt the stuff i see on tv ever work..."

                now we know what's really going on. some later than others, but its a gift either way

                [–]1empatheticapathetic 25 points26 points  (0 children)

                You gotta enjoy the positives in life man. I would be happy I wasn't one of those guys after talking to her. An action like that has an underwhelming amount of sadness behind it. I've never been good with women but I've never been anything like that desperate.

                [–]crimsonkodiak 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                Meh. A fool and his money.

                Tinder's not hard and it makes things materially easier than they used to be. If you're dumb enough to send some women money before you're even matched, let alone having had her go on a date with you, that's on you, not them.

                [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (10 children)

                At the beginning of 2017, I told myself I would delete tinder, which I did, only for a little bit. Re-installed it just to see if I can actually meet someone on there. Even though I'm a good looking guy, I wasn't having success. I am now deleting it and wondering why I even downloaded it again in the first place. Tinder, Bumble and all the other ones are a waste of time, even if you are good looking. I just want to be rich so that I can occasionally use pros.

                [–]I_Need_More_Space_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                The great thing about pros is that you don't have to be rich. I've been to the Red Light in Amsterdam twice and the beautiful Czech girls only charged $150/session (Already knew them). By the way, when first getting to know a pro, only order a BJ. If she is shit at the BJ with no enthusiasm, she will be shit at sex. BJ's are like $50, so its a good start/interview. ;) Oh, and go during the early afternoon and don't be drunk. Night time has higher prices and less service most of the time.

                [–]wunderwaxel 40 points41 points  (3 children)

                I like to ask them to give me a good reason why I should buy her a drink. Most of the time they say things like: "because I'm pretty/cute/a girl. " They never get the drink. Still waiting for a girl that just tells me a funny, or even better a truly good reason to buy a drink.

                [–]1theoctopuss 40 points41 points  (1 child)

                You'll be waiting for a long, long time.

                [–]juliusstreicher 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                True, but he'll be saving some bucks!

                [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                When they ask for a drink I usually just get them a glass of water.

                It's free, and it's a drink, and if she was starving and thirsty in a Mad Max like desert i'd give her a swig of my water filled flask. Anything else you have to pay in some form or another.

                [–]esirnus18[S] 33 points34 points  (5 children)

                Good points mate:) I was actually impressed at this chicks drinking ability. She went through those shots like it was cough medicine. She mention she was 28 years old, so approaching wall pretty fast with her lifestyle. Geez I can only imagine her in few years...old used up hag.

                [–]ZXMarvin 31 points32 points  (0 children)

                Those are the one's you really need to watch though.

                An average 20y/o has a good few years to ride the CC so is likely to leave billy beta alone once he pays her tab.

                A 28 year old however is approaching the wall and still trying to live like her early 20's. Sooner or later she realises this isn't sustainable, she can't lock down a man she truly desires, and times running out - so one of these poor guys at the bar is likely to end up as a her long term Beta Bux.

                [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 14 points15 points  (3 children)

                Get real, there's nothing impressive about the ability to consume copious amounts of alcohol. Basic bro stuff yo.

                [–]menial_optimist 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                "when you fuck for free you get nothing" - too $hort

                [–]Five_Decades 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                Sadly for a lot of guys in the current climate their only options are this or mgtow.

                [–]brinkleybuzz 123 points124 points  (23 children)

                After today maybe that number went up to like 95%

                The story that got me to 95% RP was the chick in Boston who used Tinder to find "wholesome" guys to shovel her snow for free.

                [–]LethalShade 40 points41 points  (0 children)

                Holy fucking shit, you can't make this shit up. At least 90% of guys had the decency to tell her to fuck off or ignore her, that's at least something.

                [–]hawkeaglejesus 37 points38 points  (2 children)

                Tinder pic

                Actual pic

                yeah... how are those crow's feet at 27 treating you sweetheart?

                [–]aDrunkenWhaler 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                Professional photo, good lighting, probably retouching, and she looks 35.

                [–]brinkleybuzz 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                Eh, not bad. I'd do her. Wouldn't shovel her snow though unless she paid market rates.

                [–]slimjimjohnson 12 points13 points  (10 children)

                She got the first guy coffee and scone. I'd do it for coffee and scones.

                [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

                Hopefully he lived right down the street. Knowing these beta tards, he probably brought his shovel onto the fucking commuter rail from Brockton.

                [–]brinkleybuzz 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                Dawg, you need an agent to negotiate your rates. Coffee + scones isn't even minimum wage.

                [–]InfiniteAscent 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                From the article: I swiped right exactly a dozen times. Instead of looking for men I was necessarily attracted to, I looked for men who seemed especially wholesome. (If only this Venn diagram had a greater overlap, perhaps I wouldn’t be in this predicament at all.)

                AF/BB right there, the Venn Diagram needs more overlap....

                [–]falconpush 54 points55 points  (6 children)

                I've been on the pill for little over six months now

                Dont you mean swallowing the pill?

                [–]RedditIsDumb4You 22 points23 points  (1 child)

                Lol I think on the pill is funnier. And saying you swallow doesn't make you sound much more alpha than an allusion to birth control.

                [–]esirnus18[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                I spouted this out without even thinking and this dude gets gold for quoting me. Nice:)

                [–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (4 children)

                You don't have to believe all of the red pill, or use all of the red pill, but follow the core components

                Lift, and lift again, become the guy that girls want to fuck or as close to that guy as you can get.

                Self improvement (in your career, in school ,with your body, with your finances)

                Find your own happiness, derived from your own self worth,

                Don't get women pregnant, follow safe sex rules ( don't fuck without a condom, take that shit with you or flush it )

                You don't need to follow the red pill completely, and buy into everything it tells you, life is subject to individual impressions and life experiences,

                There are some guys that are married and love it and run a Red pill marriage. (Something I don't agree with but go ahead and play with that fire if you want to, see if you get burned)

                There are guys that say never get married.

                Some guys want kids. Some don't,

                one solution doesn't fit or fix all your problems, TRP is a guide to be tailored to your life to maximize your life happiness and prioritize your life goals, whatever they maybe.

                [–]Jake_le_Dog 16 points17 points  (3 children)

                You don't need to follow the red pill completely, and buy into everything it tells you, life is subject to individual impressions and life experiences

                Oh, how many times have I read this statement?

                Redpill is a set of information for you to process and internalize. The things you'll read on the sidebar and from EC's aren't really open for debate. You can rationalize the truth in a subjective manner, but that's what we like to call "hamstering."

                The quoted statement encourages men to not take information at face value, if they don't feel comfortable with something they read.

                You can't alter the truth. Just accept it. Better to use the knowledge to your advantage.

                [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                Hence following statement of needing to stay true to the core of the red pill, the sidebar.

                But if you go out and read the posts of what work for each individual person in there are, the finer points of game, tinder pickup lines, people's view on marriage those are all subject to each individuals ability and desire.

                It's like your diet for the gym, not everyone can eat the same food or lift the same way but overall there are diets and gym strength building exercise that work everyone.

                But you still need to lift and eat right same with the red pill

                [–]Jake_le_Dog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Yes, after a while you use the knowledge the way you want. It's like how I tried to act way more extroverted than I really am, and later realized I can remain low-energy, and still reap the benefits.

                I think men should first try everything to see what works for them, and later they can adapt the knowledge to their personality.

                Good elaboration.

                [–]scarletspider3 24 points25 points  (10 children)

                That goes on all day long at bars, you just probably never noticed it. Not to long ago at a gas station some chick walked up to me and asked me if I knew how to change a flat tire. I said yes, and she said great I have a the tools. I then asked how much is she gonna pay me. She looked so shocked and offended that I asked for payment. This chick really expected that she could just go up to random strangers and get them to work for her for free just because she's a chick.

                [–]Aaronindhouse 22 points23 points  (0 children)

                The problem has become such that 30 years ago, maybe more, women were actually taught to respect the charity that men offer them. If you had changed a woman's tire she might have offered to buy you lunch/breakfast/dinner/coffee. Women today have no respect for the things men do freely. They have no honor. As I posted above, If you do things like change a woman's tire, do so knowing that you are doing so out of charity and to not expect anything in return.

                [–]redditJ5 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                I would of told her, I'd help show her how to change it but I wouldn't do it for her. I've done this to my ex before, I did help her get the spare out of the trunk, but I showed her how to use all 112 lbs to break the lugs and how to put them back on.

                Teach a woman to fish, and she will still want to go out instead of cooking.

                [–]could-of-bot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                It's either would HAVE or would'VE, but never would OF.

                See Grammar Errors for more information.

                [–]Anders321 34 points35 points  (4 children)

                I never partied much and I have only once tried to buy a drink to a girl I didn't already know. We were talking while I was I waiting to order my drink and I just wanted to be nice and buy her the beer she wanted. After I paid I turned around to say it was nice talking to her but I was there with some friends and I had to go back to them. Of course she was gone when I turned around. Had she waited just 5 seconds she would have gotten a free beer from someone who didn't expect anything in return and was about to leave her alone anyway but she ran away as soon as she got what she wanted and left me to feel like an idiot even though I just wanted to say "you're welcome, enjoy your evening. Bye"

                [–]chinawinsworlds 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                Well, that's sad. Being mistaken for a beta bux, when you were really just being a genuinely generous person.

                [–]Hombremaniac 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                Well that was some cheap but effective lesson for you right there.

                [–]WhorehouseVet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Had a friend who would constantly ask me to by drinks for him and his "new" friends, ie random girls he met that night. He's trying to impress them by pretending he's a big spender on my dough. He's kinda an Asper, so I stopped hanging out with him.

                [–]victor_knight 28 points29 points  (2 children)

                Interesting story. It reminds me of the time some years back when I was at a mall and this hot chick just walks up to me and straight up asks me politely for $10. I give her a WTF look and just walk off. There was another time I was at a McDonald's with my brother and this well-dressed old geezer walks up to our table smiling asking us to buy him a happy meal. We just waved him off. He must have thought he was a hot chick due to Alzheimer's or some shit.

                [–]slimjimjohnson 32 points33 points  (1 child)

                I would have probably got the old guy a happy meal. But I have a soft spot for old men for some reason, probably because I'm afraid of becoming old and irrelevant myself. shrug

                [–]hyugafan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Yeah same. I dont usually give out money unless it's guys over 50 who look like they need it more than I do.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79 103 points104 points  (6 children)

                Sounds like a fake story to me.

                I mean, I've seen all you describe happen in separate cases, but your story is a perfect RP-fantasy:

                • You read her body language and her feet point at the bar (because she wants alcohol?);

                • the other group are of course "fat" and "beta";

                • then of course you follow her in the bathroom and get a peek at the parking lot (I mean, really dude, you didn't have to follow her, just the fact that you'd never see her comeback was enough of a proof in itself);

                • then cherry on top it's a Mustang driven by a Chad with "muscular forearm" and his bitches.

                C'mon.

                Although I gotta admit, I enjoyed the reading. Nice RP porn.

                [–]Millixaw 35 points36 points  (0 children)

                OP forgot to mention that forearm Mustang guy was wearing a "Hi, my name is Chad" tag.

                [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 19 points20 points  (3 children)

                Want to play a game? Guess which story is fake, or are both of them?

                44 year old man has been fucking a 28 year old, meets her thin and sexy 22 year old roommate and tells the 28 he is going to fuck her friend. He goes over to their flat, and crushes shit tests from the 22. She demands he get her purse, he tells her to fuck off. She begs and still he says no. Then after another demand he says show me your tits and I'll grab it when I take a piss. She balks. A few minutes later he gets up to piss and her tits come out, so he makes good and tosses her purse to her when he returns. 28 gets fucked while 22 watches for a minute then leaves. Next night they text him to come over, he declines twice then relents at 0100. 28 has one of their mutual friends over that she is fucking and had been spit roasted with our hero and the other guy. They get up to piss leaving 22 and 44 alone. She asks to kiss him, he does and within two minutes they're fucking on the living room floor. Leaving rug burns that her boyfriend sees a few nights later. 44 fucks her for two months and turns her loose. He goes on to have multiple 3 ways with 28, including with the 22 before he brooms her.

                Mid 40s man goes to jail over bullshit caused by ex wife. Gets out and a 26 year old is house sitting while he's doing his two weeks. He gets home and the girl mentions another girl is coming by. When the other girl gets there they take turns sucking his cock, and eventually one rides his face while the other rides his cock. Lots of wild shit happens the rest of the weekend.

                Bonus story. 45 year old white man meets 21 year old Indian college girl, she messages him asking what he is doing after a meeting. They end up in a motel room taking nudes of her and fucking like rabbits. The same guy was fucking 21 year old Russian girls when he was 33, and fucked a 21 yr old virgin at 35 keeping her around for a few years.

                What is fake, what is real? its all real

                [–]1jb_trp 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                Ahhh, the humblebrag rebuttle. Nicely done.

                Slow clap.

                [–]Akela_hk 60 points61 points  (7 children)

                Muscular forearm and black mustang guy here.

                Can't fit more than one bitch in the back of my 2015.

                Backseat is practically nonexistent.

                Going to call fakery on this one.

                [–]Shootlawd 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                It really only gives credence to the theory that Redpillers are all secretly gay. We know more about Chad's forearms than about this woman lol.

                [–]redditJ5 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                I took my homecoming's date's v card in the back of HER mustang. I still have a cramp to this day from it.

                You can fit two back there, but they have to be 5' and 90#. And it helps if they are blonde or ginger.

                [–]esirnus18[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                it was few years old GT convertible this sort of thing

                [–]2comment 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                Smarter women carry this con further. Decade ago, eastern european that was dating a friend who was in a certain business and she asked around one day, "So who is the richest man in this business?" They answered her and 2 months later she was banging Mr. Rich and between then and now they got married, had 2 kids, divorced, she's retired herself and her pussy at 30-something. Know a lot like her. Blood rushing to the dick halves the IQ.

                The men you were observing got off lightly and were as much competing against each other for some momentary attention they don't get at home. You get hitched, expect to be someone's plow horse and for it to be as fun as it sounds.

                [–]Big-Ern 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                Jesus Fucking Christ, I don't understand what you're looking for. I don't think you know either. You went out to have a few drinks and then focused all your attention on the bullet you dodged.

                [–]esirnus18[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                It's my anger phase dude, I used to be one of those chumps. hence the Rant flair.

                [–]pragmaticbastard 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                You just met someone that was a shitty person. They exist. Arguably, you edge on it too by "testing" her saying "if she enjoys it so much maybe she should get herself one." No need for that passive aggressive shit. If she was truly out for a free drink, let her wait it out and waste her time or look the fool by blatantly asking for a drink, then you can deny.

                [–]Monsignor_Gilgamesh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                If you know the right women you may come to the point where they pay you a drink or two. I have to admit that I'm such a cheapskate that I always let the woman pay for her stuff.

                [–]telenoobies 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                When I lived in NYC. I went to a club with a buddy. I sat down at a booth and a some hb5 came over to me and looked at me dead in the eye and said "buy me a drink" . I asked why? And she replies "cuz in a girl"

                [–]Bielzabutt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Women aren't so subtle here. Had one stride right up to me and say, "Will you buy me a drink?" FIRST WORDS OUT OF HER MOUTH!

                I replied with, "I don't think my girlfriend would like that!" (forever single/no attachment in sight)

                This was met with lots of whining and manipulating till I finally said, "Why don't YOU buy ME a drink first? Then I'll buy you one." She did but that was the extent of our relationship since she saw I wasn't going to fawn over her. NEXT (for both of us)

                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                Great, you told the world I drive a mustang.

                Doxed again

                [–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 7 points8 points  (4 children)

                TLDR.

                Chicks don't just "use" guys.

                We let them use us.

                In my past I let myself be used.

                Women treat betas like shit, because that's exactly what betas deserve.

                [–]1jb_trp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Ding. Ding. Ding.

                You're exactly right. Men on this sub need to realize this: Spending $20 on drinks for some random girl isn't going to make her want you. I've found in every date I've gone on, it makes no difference if you pay or not. They like you or they don't. In fact, the Tinder dates where I can tell there's zero connection are the ones where the women are the least likely to even offer to pay. This is why I never take a new girl out for dinner. Just beer or coffee. And I almost always split if they offer.

                Think about this way: Imagine a book table where all the books are free. People are just going to grab a bunch of books and probably not read most of them, because it cost them nothing. They didn't have to invest. But if each book cost $10, they would look them over and pick out a good one or two, because they don't want to waste their money. It's no different with dating.

                A funny story: I was at a bar last week and these two girls I've never seen before sat next to me. I was alone so I made some banter with them. Well, one of the girl's ex-boyfriend beta bucks offers to buy them drinks, everyone drinks, and guess what? I get a free drink too just for being "with" them. I thought it was stupid. Men have to stop wasting their money on women who aren't interested.

                [–]prodigy2throw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Lol I know bottle service girls that get their bills paid by pre authorized credit charges from loyal "customers" of the club.

                [–]Vanqhuix 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                I've never seen such a desperate bunch of idiots in my entire life

                I don't agree with this attitude. Were they desperate? Fuck yes. Were they idiots? Wouldn't say so. They thought that's what will get them laid, at least they were trying. At some point in my life I may have done the same, but even back then I didn't consider myself an idiot, just because I didn't have a clue how women worked.

                [–]FuriousMouse 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                It's called "Rinsing" in the UK, and is quite a sport.

                [–]Rommel0502 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                If she didn't want to fuck you before an $800 meal, she sure as hell won't after it ...

                My favorite first date spot was Lombardi's in Little Italy for pizza. In and out for under $30, and if I didn't get laid I still had the best pizza in the country and my wallet was none the worse for the wear ...

                [–]spartan1337 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Reminds me of HIMYM Barney stinson "i never take new dates/girls to a restaurant until i have had sex with them at least 3 times", words to live by.

                [–]mcbenzene 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Some time ago, even before swallowing TRP, I was at a more or less underground bar. I left my group of peers to get a drink, and a bitch that had been observing me made her way to the bar. She "coincided" with me and started speaking to me about how she likes to drink and hit some shots while rubbing her ass on my leg. I thought about buying her something, but I had seen her doing the same to other chumps the same night. So, while being a little drunk, I told her if she wanted some shots, the bar in front of this one makes some good ones and should go there. She insulted me and went to another guy with the same bullshit story. I laughed in her face.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                wow this thread is full of people owning themselves

                [–]joh2141 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Bro realistically it's not just women who do that and you don't really need RP to know people get used for money or other privileges. I was lucky to straight up be told by a girl.who was obsessed with me she used her ex bf for money because he was filthy rich. Poor kid he was a good guy too. Unfortunately good guys get burned.

                [–]SgtSplacker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                I don't get dinner dates with someone you don't even know. Food just makes you sluggish and it's fattening. It's harder to get a decent buzz with a full stomach. Alcohol is always more expensive in restaurants compared to bars. Asking a girl out to dinner just seems so stuffy and uptight. Dinner is boring, the thought of just sitting across from another person face to face trying to act proper royally blows. When I pay for alcohol I am paying for a good time, when I pay for dinner i'm just feeding your ass. Then there are these kinda hidden tests that take place when you do the dinner thing. Did you pick a good spot? Is it too cheap or too expensive? Are you going to pay? Is she going to offer? Is she ordering expensive dishes? Am I being used? I think i'm feeling my penis recede into my body just thinking about this crap, what a headache. Taking a person out for drinks for example, forces a different kind of interaction where you can see what a person is really about. You can see them make choices, placed in situations. At a restaurant the environment is too controlled. I save dinner dates for a person I am already accustomed to.

                [–]JMS144 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                Wait I'm confused are you a boy or a girl?

                [–]crash1082 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I would have asked her to buy me one.

                [–]spencerc25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                The sad truth is that this behavior exists because enough men out there allow it. As long as some beta's are biting into her bullshit, then she will continue this behavior.

                It's manipulation at its finest, but you can't hate on strategies that work. If we're being honest, I think a lot of us men would toe the line all the time on how much free shit we could get away with if we were women for a day/week/month/year/etc

                [–]spinalmemes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Girls are gonna hate seeing you ruin the usability of these tricks by spreading awareness. Sorry ladies lol

                [–]Fox_Red 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                This is too true. Since I've taken up TRP I've never once bought a girl a drink at the bar.

                However I have a semi different file for dates. I will always say let's head out somewhere and see how they react to the bill, you'd be surprised but 90% of the time she offers to pay the bill or at least split it. If you have high enough SMV she will feel like she doesn't deserve you and will want to pay.

                If she does I will go along with it and often offer to buy her a drink at the next place. As long as she doesn't feel entitled to the date and free food / drinks I don't mind spending 5$ on a girl. However never buy a drink for a bar leech.

                [–]ThisTension 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I live in a blue-collar town and make very good money. This doesn't really happen to much where I live. However.. Go to city full of wealthy dudes and spoiled girls and this is the norm. I'm looking at you Boston, NYC, Miami, Vegas, LA, ETC

                [–]Ninokun 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                i dont really understand why she feels the need to do this, if she isnt their to enjoy her time with friends, or trying to meet men for more then just drinking

                i mean if u want to get pregame Drunk just buy a cheap bottle of wine for 3 dollars...

                [–]ECoast_Man 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                You're way off. There are two basic reasons why women are doing this:

                1) Lots of women don't have a ton of money. Sure, they have enough to pay the rent, but they don't view it the way you are implying. Sure, they can afford a cheap bottle of wine but that's five bucks less money they could have to go towards clothes or drinks later on. Why spend five when you can get it for free?

                2) This satisfies their desire for validation in addition to point 1. She got free drinks and an evening of men stroking her ego. That sounds like more fun than drinking on your own dime, alone, doesn't it?

                You need to think a bit more about what it's like to be an HB8 or higher. These women get everything for free just for showing up when it comes to social engagements. Forget the fact that they rarely buy drinks or drugs at a bar, they often get just free shit all the time in the form of rent money or gifts or shit. Life is very different for an HB8 or higher girl. The girl I'm sort of seeing, plate I guess, at the moment would probably be homeless if she wasn't a knockout latina. She's fun and all that, but she's absolutely stunned when it comes to basic things because dudes have just been doing it for her. I had her over Saturday and cooked a basic meal because I was watching the basketball. Just a steak (not even a good cut really) with asparagus and some avocado I needed to get rid of and she was just blown away by how good of a cook I was. I mean, this was like 10-15 minutes in total. You should think about this more, it becomes very apparent why women go to bars in the way described by OP when you understand this.

                [–]ECoast_Man 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Yeah this is a common sighting if you spend time at bars or concerts or whatever. Good tale.

                I like the fact as well that she probably started at you because you were the better looking dude at the bar, and then when you swatted that away she went down the totem pole as required until she found her chumps. I haven't thought of it that way, but I'm sure that's how it goes down.

                [–]darkmoon09 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                where group of "Dad Bod" overweight betas were munching on French fries and sipping beer. Soon enough they started pouring her beer and buying her shots.

                As someone who regularly visits bars, these guys are the worst. The older and out of shape beta slob who has money to spend being so thirsty for a whiff of female attention is always a pathetic scene to witness, it's funny looking at it with RP lenses - you see exactly how these guys are being played for fools by girls who wouldn't touch them sexually a mile long pole yet know exactly how to leverage and work a thirsty man. I guess to be fair to those guys they're usually older and thus probably don't realize what the modern SMP is like and how vapid and manipulative young women ca be, still though you'd think a guy who has money would realize that women will attempt to take advantage of them, maybe some of them realize it but don't care, in that case just quit fooling yourself you old thirsty bastards and just pay for hookers already.

                [–]trpthroway123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                This is so stupidly common that once you learn how to spot it you'll see it everywhere you go.

                I was at a St Paddy's parade with some buddies. One started chatting up a group of 3 girls (HB 7/8's). Body language made it clear they had no interest, attitudes made it clear they were out for free drinks, it was as clear as day even half drunk and 20 feet away.

                He called me over to wingman, and he suggests a round of shots, to which they of course agree. I followed him to the bar and made it clear no one has a chance with these girls, they're just out for free drinks. Don't even bother with the shots, lets just hit the next bar and find some girls that are down for more than free drinks.

                He insists I'm wrong, buys the shots, and we go back. They down the shots, and without a thank you, mention that their beers are almost empty, looking at him to buy a round (first time they made eye contact). I shoot him the "I fucking told ya so" eyes, he doesn't offer to refill, so they say they're going to the bathroom. 30 seconds later, I pointed out the window. They're walking to the next bar.

                I let him know "I fuckin told you".

                He did it twice more that night, didn't even get a number.

                [–]YiloMiannopoulos 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                Heh. I was out with these two whores a few months ago. And by whores I mean one had 3 kids with 2 fathers that were out of the picture and the other was prego at the time. I wasn't particularly interested in either so I was just doing my own thing. I didn't spend anything on them.

                But this fat drunk beta was all over them. He was buying them whatever they wanted. I pulled him aside later and clued him in and he said he didn't mind. So I just sat back and watched.

                One girl handed me her drink later and said she would "be right back." She went outside to do coke with some black dudes. Then the other asked me to watch her wallet while she disappeared to the restroom to do coke.

                Just like the good little beta they thought I was I left the bar and went home. I got a text later saying "Where are you with my drink." I told her I wasn't her cup holder and we never spoke again.

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