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Building PowerI came here to learn how to handle women, but accidentally learned how to handle men. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Hencley

As gay as this title sounds hear me out, I came across the subreddit 3 years ago after I ended a horrible relationship of 5 years and one of you fucks DMed me telling me to check it out. Spent 3 years reading, maybe about 2 actually acting out theories I've learned. My life used to consist of constantly chasing girls to get laid after finding it much easier than before, until I realized that this was just me "acting alpha." The true satisfaction came from getting respect from men.

In my day to day life, I come across more encounters with men than women, and I started realizing that I got just as many shit tests from my guy friends/acquaintances as I did with females. I used to feel like I was "low on the food chain" in high school and college when around other guys. When I talked, they didn't care about my opinion as much as some other guys but I never really understood why. After learning red pill theory and reading a few books on this, it became much clearer.

Girls shit test you to see if you're worth their time. Guys shit test you to see if you're worth their respect.

Some examples in my life:

  • I work out 6 days a week now. I have guys approach me and say something along the lines of "I thought you were supposed to be big and strong now??" My old response would have been "I'm stronger than you are!" I remember always defending myself in situations like this, and as a result the guys would smile knowing they just got under my skin in a couple seconds and have brushed me off as a guy not worth their respect. My new response: "Ha yeah it's a slow and steady process." Despite seeming like I am agreeing with them about not being big and strong, I am shutting down their accusations. I've shown them I don't care what they're opinions of me are, I'm confident in my work and progress. This earns their respect.

  • I started my own business a couple years ago and quit my old job as a pharmacy technician. I made nothing the first year, but ended up making quite a lot in the second year and my small ass local city made a few stories about it in the newspaper. My old friends from high school talk about it (it's a weird business) and will say things to me such as "Uh oh aren't you too famous to be around us?" Keep in mind if my close friends give me shit I just consider it funny, sometimes you gotta give each other shit like this. However, these are male acquaintances and will often say things like this in front of women as an attempt to discredit my frame. My old response would've been along the lines of "Sorry some of us were successful in life!" I would've shown these guys and the girls with them that I clearly don't have faith in my success when a simple roast was able to upset me. My new response- "Ha yeah the news likes to make things bigger than they are."

  • I bought a Corvette after saving for awhile. I've always wanted one, and found a good deal on somewhat newer one in good shape. It's kinda cool (it's a Corvette, not a Ferrari.) I've never had so many people try and "discredit" my car before. At a 4th of July party a few high school friends came up to me when I was talking to a decent looking girl. They immediately say "Tyler's (fake name, friend with pretty cool supra) car is way cooler than yours." It's funny how in these situations girls carefully watch to see how you handle yourself. They view it as an old school 1v1 duel, the winner taking their frame. My old response (I never had a cool car, but if old me was in this position rather) would have been "Do you know anything about my car? Dude it's way faster than you think, you don't know cars at all." Again, this is bad. The girl I was talking to would've seen right through my insecurities and this guy's shit test would've essentially worked. Subconsciously, most guys want to do this to you in front of girls, it's our new age way of fighting off other mates. Now I'll just reply "Oh shit isn't that thing awesome? Jealous of him." (It really is an incredible car anyways.)

These are a few examples, but now that I am able to recognize these "shit tests" from guys I catch them almost every day in every situation especially in front of other girls. The funny thing is, after you hold frame in front of guys, I find that they completely switch their perspective. Instead of roasting you for working out in front of the girl you're talking to, they will immediately start asking for tips and what kind of protein you take, etc. They now seek your validation. They go from "Dude nice joggers, they sell those for men?" To "Haha just kidding man, they look super comfortable how much were they?"

I once third wheeled my friend on a Tinder date and spent a half an hour hearing him rip on me to the girl I had literally just met. "He barely works." "He had a one night stand with this ugly girl once." I simply brushed everything off, chuckled and acted like it didn't matter. The fucking weirdest thing is the girl started defending me to him. She would say "well is he not allowed to vacation??" As soon as this happened I knew this guy fucked up. I left with no interest in being a tool for his ego, and he texted me 2 days later saying "yeah she told me she didn't fuck on the first date so I dropped her off." His attempt to climb above my status failed, and turned her off.

It is essentially a social ladder and guys want to see where they place. After holding frame, they now seek to be close to you seeing as they now view you as higher than them on this ladder. Think of the coolest, most confident guys you know. Chances are, you could say any kind of insult to them and they wouldn't even think about it for more than a second. If I told Leonardo Dicaprio I thought his acting sucked, do you really think he'd defend himself to me? Of course not. Being able to hold frame in front of women can get you laid, being able to hold frame in front of men can get you respected. One is much more satisfying to me to be honest.

Tl:Dr - Hold frame in front of men as much as you do women. Men shit test too, and passing a guys shit test in front of a woman can get you laid as easily. 2 birds, 1 stone.


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[–]Hencley[S] 97 points98 points  (1 child)

Money helped, but it didn't solve it. I had acne, was skinny, ugly, just in general had insecurities about everything. It was striving to better every aspect of myself that helped It wasn't the money itself, rather the work I put in to obtain it that helped me develope mental strength.

[–]universalabundance1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But if he made the sacrifices to make a ton of money, he would deserve my respect because he had to be mentally strong to do it.

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    [–]Hencley[S] 67 points68 points  (3 children)

    This is a brilliant reply. Spot on. Unfortunately we all come across those guys that will just bully consistently and must be cut out of our lives. It always comes from bad places in their lives. Had a life long friend, as I started succeeding he moved into his grandma's basement and starting drinking a 12 pack a night and spending every check on weed. Every single time I was around him he tried to bring me down to his level. Eventually just left him behind.

    [–]JustSatan 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    This is currently happening with two close friends of mine. Fortunately, I'm moving about 90 minutes away; and so as such I'll be able to cut them off indirectly. Crazy, tho. I just want people to work hard and want to win like I do, but they'd rather wallow in regression and BS. Meanwhile, they think I want to just sit around, smoke weed, and listen to their problems? Nah.

    [–]Athylus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Agreed. Well written out post and I can attest to his methods. Used them myself back when I was at a lower standing much like you described in the OP. I called other men out, as a boy, and it made me move up. Now I don't have to anymore.

    And when the douchebaggery gets too big, you should bail. You did, I did. It can be hard to cut ties but worth it. Back in the high school days we had a buddy that was always the punching bag, which I brought up to him sometime. Big mistake, gotta let people figure it out themselves.

    [–]FindTheBus 31 points32 points  (5 children)

    Option 3: beat the shit out of him in the parking lot when he's alone and you know where the lights and security cameras are. Then post his credit card information on mongolian pottery forums, and buy drinks with his cash.

    inb4 someone dark triad shames me

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      [–]starky-kun 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      You can get arrested, but it does sound fun. More power to you if you can pull it off without losing your job and reputation.

      [–]Therwow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      becuase you threaten his position too much and he needs to destroy you for comfort

      This is spot on. I just had one, were a co-worker (he is is insecure about his current employment) was yelling in front of 2 other people at me for a "mistake" I did. The reason for yelling was such a trivial thing that it was ridiculous. But you see, I have experience in this, so I didn't "just brush it off" or said sorry (which I would do previously). He was the one who lost at the end.

      But because of many years of failed shittests I have gained experience. If the same thing happened 4 years ago, I would have failed again. I'm glad that I have gained my experience in low-value environments, so I didn't lose much.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

      This is really interesting. I had a friend completely avoid me and whenever I try and make a plan to meet, he comes up with some excuse DESPITE being super nice. The dude even follows me on instagram. This all happened after I started becoming more successful. To me it seems like he's not a real friend. I know this because I invited him out and he made some lame excuse about weekends are family and shit. And then I see him outside the same venue I was at on a saturday. I think he saw me inside and didn't come in. lol. I know this whenever we have been together out, I get more attention from women even without making much of an effort. I'm better looking than him. But, I did consider him a friend and would geniunely try and make plans with him. Gave up after that. He did introduce me to other people in the group but he kicked me out of that circle. I believe it was because he is insecure and whenever he's around me he feels like crap.

      I did make one attempt and messaged him saying "How's it going bro. How's life. Miss hanging with you bro." And he replies "Same here bro. When am i seeing you?" --> I obviously thought this was a genuine message but it wasnt. I tried to make plans and somehow he kept coming up with some excuse.

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        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Absolutely. Insecurity is the worst thing ever. I mean imagine this dude is nice to me via what's app text whatever , but he saw me at the venue and didn't even come in! Yet there is no animosity. It would have been so easy to come in and just say hey man what u doing here ! I'm not exactly sure what to make of it. Like why follow me on social media Instagram (btw I don't follow him). Oh and btw, he never ever likes my posts. lol. But he still follows me.

        Just to give you some background. When we met I was basically struggling financially. I now own a business that hopefully should be on it's making a shit load money and I'm in pretty amazing shape. I was already better looking than him.

        Did I threaten his position and that's why he's behaved in this manner?

        [–]treeclimber100 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        He might be offended you don't follow him back, but are still nice to him in person. Leading him to believe you're fake about the way you act towards him.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        But I don't follow anyone. I follow about 9 motivational accounts and only post motivational stuff. You could have a point

        [–]Newbosterone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Flake rules are the same for guy friends as for dates. Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times, Mr Bond, three times is enemy action.

        Flake once? Ok, shit happens. Twice? Might be innocent, but don’t wait for the third time. After two, walk away and see if it matters enough for them to make the next move. If not, you haven’t lost a friend, you’ve shed ballast and kept your dignity.

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            [–]CallTheCrows 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            At the end of the day only losers talk shit.

            [–]Hencley[S] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

            Hmm it's situation dependent but why are you being subjected to so many insults? If this is within your control, I'd simply remove the people like this from your life. I cut out some of the more toxic people, ones that were always in a place of negativity.

            I found that when I did this, I only had to maintain frame as oppose to full on defend myself from slander. Always stand up for yourself though, you're worth not being constantly insulted bro.

            [–]donkeydodo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            Pressure flip, counter their jokes with a funnier joke, or agree and amplify

            [–]PR0JECT_XIII 8 points9 points  (2 children)

            I work in an environment which was previously like that. HR doesn't have the balls to do anything about it. The insults and ridicules worked in my favour in multiple situations.

            1. The time I had a full blown argument with my manager. Called him out on the lack of leadership and control over the work force. Advised that I tolerated it, (even though they were aware of it without me mentioning it) that at any other work place this would not be tolerated due to employer legal obligations.

            Note: a point I will make, know enough employment law that you understand how to make the system work for you. Understand how management operates so you can push the boundaries when required.

            1. Draw the line. There needs to be a line someone does not cross, at work mine is "done fuck with my work environment" this happened and I told the culprits what the fuck was up. With management not willing to do a thing (as previously mentioned) I took it upon myself to sort it out.

            Note: do not attempt to threaten anyone if you do not have the courage to follow through. One of the main reason why I went full silverback was I had previously mentioned to management that my work was being effected. If the problem was not solved after my confrontation I would simply tell the owner that I was leaving till the problem was sorted, and i would be arranging a mediator to sit down with the powers that be.

            1. Dealing with insults - people who are consistently insulting you fear you. They see you from a different angle and believe you are a threat. As heath mentioned asking "why they are being so mean?" does not work. If anything, it gives them an opening to attack more.

            Note: If someone talks shit about you, learn you reframe it to your benefit.

            • Retaliate - you run the risk of looking defensive
            • Ignore it - you run the risk of looking guilty

            Remember: These people are weak, and are trying to bring you down. Learn to master counter attacks. There is a time and place for everything. Sometimes you need to play the long game, allow other to fall into the trap you have set.

            [–]chipmunk31242 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Can you elaborate on what you mean by counter attacks and how to do them?

            [–]TimWestwood1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

            I think there will always be a degree of incongruence when you're 'trying' to assert frame on someone.

            I think the best way to (attempt) to frame control guys trying to out alpha you (or even worse being a dick and not even feeling threatened by you) is to constantly flip back and forth between being nice and being an asshole to them. When you can offend a person while seeming completely indifferent I think that's the sweet spot. And the way you come off as indifferent is by being nice to them inbetween insulting them

            If you a)bombard a person with insults then that shows too much emotional investment. Or if you b) act like you don't care or are indifferent then that will also wear you down as you are now suppressing your emotions.

            [–]enfier 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            This video by Elliot Hulse has a great response to a situation like that.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvBKC_8TTao

            [–]CharCanDo 5 points6 points  (2 children)

            Get a concrete “fun guy” frame. Be able to be the life of the party without saying anything, and without having to prove it. Then you set the social tone for how the remarks are received, because the momentum of the situation is within your frame.

            Whatever you do, do not let the remarks slow you down whatever mentally.

            [–]ahab_dies 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Walk away. People who do this to you aren't your friends and aren't worth your time. You're wasting your time being around these incredibly negative people, and their negativity is poisonous.

            [–]1dongpal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            you need to immediately step in and address the guy who started the talk. focus on him and "question the person". hard to describe

            [–]Yousuflol 217 points218 points  (14 children)

            Agreed. When i first learned about shit test from women. I noticed i always got these shit test from men. I usually use a pressure flip or an agree and amplify. It's really tiring though. I'll just go with your method instead.

            [–]Hencley[S] 122 points123 points  (3 children)

            The best method is to truly work on yourself to a point of confidence and then you really do brush off things naturally I was very insecure about my size, so that was always the toughest one for me to "remain cool" while other guys pointed it out. It motivates me in the gym, I've gained a substantial amount of weight and now my insecurities have really reduced with the work I've put in.

            [–]wickedogg 73 points74 points  (2 children)

            It's not just about confidence, it's also about being respectful and nice to other people. If someone is trying to insult you, they are obviously feeling threatened so trying to hit back or defending yourself turns the situation into a fight with a winner and a loser. If you instead brush it off, then they feel less threatened and better about themselves. You gain their respect because you weren't mean to them and you didn't try to downplay the fact that they felt threatened by you. When you brush off their insult, it helps them to feel more secure, which is why they would like and respect you.

            [–]IvanRussky 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            I love this comment and its basically the TLDR of this guys' "game" (really just a way of being with yourself and others) and also the way I'm choosing to approach how I interact with others. I feel like a lot of guys here wanna win so bad in the short term that they end up losing in the long run. I guess there's no right or wrong way to go about it, just whatever you think is right for you in the context of your life, or in a specific situation.

            [–]suzy2018 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Basically, being humble to show you’re doing what you do for yourself and not for anyone else’s approval.

            [–]AltBuzzer 30 points31 points  (5 children)

            What happens when you have to deal with a psycho who keeps amping up the tests though? I had an old "friend" like that... He would seem to get angrier the more I would try to pass his tests.

            [–]MaliciousMack 44 points45 points  (3 children)

            Telling him to fuck off works just fine. Just like women, not every man is worth your time. Walking away works, or putting up hands, though I still recommend walking....

            Usually I'll just ignore them if they don't stop. Eventually they'll throw out enough rope to hang themselves with, and I can flip it around for a laugh at their expense.

            [–]AltBuzzer 22 points23 points  (2 children)

            He's no longer a part of my life, but this is a guy who thought I crossed a line when I said "fuck you" when he called me a "douchebag" after he thought I rolled my eyes at him (which I didn't). The dude lived to argue, it was like an impulse for him, and he was always right in his own view.

            [–]starky-kun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Dude, cut him out. Soft next him or call the cops. If the above mentioned tactics don't work, jump him with your boys and beat the living shit out of him. But if this guy is a psychopath, he might come back after you jump him. Or he might not, a lot of dudes start to respect you after you beat the shit out of them. But again I would suggest options 1 and 2 first.

            [–]cuntrolbot 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            If they lose their cool you call attention to it. "Calm down, man" "You seem angry what's bothering you"

            [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            Men test each other because we still compete. In terms of biology the qualities men need to compete with each other(for selection) are the same qualities a woman finds attractive.(as the selector)

            If you are comfortably able to hold your own against other males a woman instinctively thinks you are high value and a good selection.

            Our primate brain still sees sex=baby. If a woman is pregnant she needs a strong man who could look out for her, protect her and the baby.

            A man who can hold his own against other men is a great option.

            [–]Nutman-maddog 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            It is very tiring. I’m on course with four other dudes and it’s constant testing off each others frame. We are all friends but as soon as one of us tries to DEER they get more shit thrown at them. I guess it could be called banter. Definitely makes the course a better time though. I treat it as a frame builder.

            [–]Yousuflol 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Similar experience here. I honestly don't like the frame testing because i'm not very good at it, and i find it childish. Looking at it as a frame builder is a good way of looking at it i guess. It has taught me how to maintain frame a lot better

            [–]wtr665 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Can you explain the examples?

            [–]modTheRedPike 129 points130 points  (5 children)

            user reports: 1: Gay title

            Well.... let's be honest here.

            EDIT:

            user reports:

            1: Hey you fag put the special mid thing on so ppl know ur an mod

            heh You kids are funny. But seriously, doesn't it say "MOD" up there? ^

            [–]Hencley[S] 61 points62 points  (4 children)

            Lol wrote it, read it and realized how gay it sounded. My bad.

            [–][deleted] 128 points129 points  (2 children)

            This was a shit test from another man, you need to be more confident in your post titles. Hold frame.

            [–]AHumilationADay 42 points43 points  (0 children)

            You forgot to tell him to lift, so I got it for ya bro

            [–]get-tilted 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            Should’ve agreed and amplified.

            “Agreed, I love nothing more than a nice warm cock in my ass at the end of the day. Is it so wrong I title my posts to fit my personality?”

            [–]modTheRedPike 15 points16 points  (0 children)

            I showed house female the title. She immediately started laughing. Bah. Can't win them all...

            [–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (7 children)

            This is interesting. I have friends who stopped hanging with me because they were insecure of me. I see those very same people following me on instagram. But i totally agree with you about the way some guys give you shit, you gotta play down your success or ignore the shit test like you do with women. A real MAN isnt phased by shit people throw at him

            [–]1dayitwillmake 4 points5 points  (3 children)

            maybe they just didnt like you, or find you fun yo be around. It was easier to just stop hanging out with you, than to make their thinking of you official by unfollowing you.

            nah must be that their too jealous to be near you

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            He started following me afterwards. I follow about 10 people. and I have about 200 followers. He is one of them. I dont follow him back.

            [–]1dayitwillmake 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            You just did everything this post, and yourself claim you shouldnt do.

            [–]Casd12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            nah, you gotta play up your success. It weeds out the insecure people from your group

            [–]thesquarerootof1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I have friends who stopped hanging with me because they were insecure of me

            Can you elaborate on this ? English is my first language and I've never heard "...insecure of me" in this context. Do you mean they feel insecure FOR you ? Or do they themselves feel insecure because you are more successful than they are ?

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Yes, I realised that they were in fact insecure and my success invited envy and jealousy.

            [–]CaptJohnLukeDiscard 22 points23 points  (0 children)

            A&A (or one of its variants like agree & pressure flip) is probably most effective for generating social currency when guys shittest. Keep in mind a lot of guys will shit test each other as a form of respect... especially a group of alpha / hypercompetitive guys. Any of you who played sports in college or above will know what I mean.

            Dudes give shit to other guys for all sorts of reasons but mostly because it's fun. Ever been to a dude's poker night? Non-stop shit talking and bashing.

            You know who gets the most respect at those places? The guy who isn't phased at all. I'm not saying the guy who responds like a robot (which OP seems to lean towards) but rather the guy who can mix in humility, A&A, pressure flips, etc. all with that calm, cocky air that indicates he really doesn't give a fuck and is confident in his own skin.

            It's called frame.

            [–]warwolverinewarrior 45 points46 points  (5 children)

            Lol wait until you learn how to make betas work for you. It's amazing what people will do for you to be able to be around you.

            [–]EpicVuze 9 points10 points  (3 children)

            Is there a post or something with more info on this?

            [–]warwolverinewarrior 9 points10 points  (2 children)

            Idk any content but in everyday life you're always competing against other males. Establish dominance. Convince others that you're better. Follow TRP rules: Appearance(lift, posture, dress well), Frame(confidence, stoicism, control) & beta shaming/shit test(puts them down and let's you know who's in control). Pretty much the other side of the fence than OP is talking about.

            [–]jon_pat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            did you have to follow the rules to reach that?

            [–]Demiurge_Decline 6 points7 points  (3 children)

            This was one of my weaks spots. I found myself generally never affected by others frames nor was I ever jealous. So when someone tried to AMOG me it generally went over my head or I assumed an immaturity on their part. I did sense that it was alpha leveling but I never cared enough to try to balance it for the most part. Truly indifferent and unaffected but what I did not think about is what it does to OTHER peoples perspective of you. All they see is weakness. Not Stoic. Not strength. Just weakness or beta althought you are the opposite.

            Now I am aware of it consciously and their subtle movements as well. Due to my intelligence, I counter smoothly and low level draconian to the point, it normally shuts them down for good. By the time, a mofo tries me I have already gathered enough ammo that I am ready to strike before he even knows he wil try me. How do I know? Weakeness. Insecurity. betaness. he cant help but try me. Its in the eyes. Looks like a woman eyeing the heels of another woman...

            Keep in mind, if you find yourself constantly fighing off insults and bullshit from men you call friends, then you have outgrown the tribe. Within a few days most men create a heirarchy or whatever. Generally shit tests are to establish one. So shit tests for months is not that but basically bro abuse, insecurity, etc. This has ONLY happened when I friended* downward not upward.

            Note- Physical presence such as serious lifitng and if you are known to practice Boxing or martial arts, 90% of the shits test never happen. People only pick on what they deem weaker. Like lions are known to isolate fawns out of the pack.

            [–]Pokeylaw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Your first half is exactly how I was though out all of middle and high school I just didn't care/give a fuck there were very few time where I actually got mad enough to fight someone bc it gets so fucking annoying to constantly have to prove to everyone that your not a bitch.

            [–]Yousuflol 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Keep in mind, if you find yourself constantly fighing off insults and bullshit from men you call friends, then you have outgrown the tribe.

            My "best friend" shit-test me with insults and comments everyday and its very annoying. I always have to AA/pressure flip when i can. Although he is a natural shit tester and "wins" most of the time i guess. It's come to the point where I've considered just to cut contact completely. Do you think this is a good decision or too drastic?

            [–]Demiurge_Decline 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Nope too drastic. You need to win this. once he stops or you out a stop to it, then you can leave. if you leave without winning you lose the skill the universe was giving you. plus you will just remeet a worse version of him. its virtual reality. you have to defeat your bosses.

            [–]3LiveAFTSOV 112 points113 points  (44 children)

            I agree with the idea, but your responses dont strike me as holding frame. They sound more like you buckle. I think you're too humble for your own good. I used to be as well. Take pride in your accomplishments as well as insecurities.

            IDK too humble imo. but ideas right. I like AA you like redirecting.

            [–]Hencley[S] 70 points71 points  (2 children)

            Eh my responses vary. To be honest, the more confident I am with myself the more my response doesn't matter. I take pride in what I accomplish, but that pride ends with me and doesn't need to be justified by anyone else. When you truly accomplish things, no words are needed, they'll know.

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              [–]zyqkvx 10 points11 points  (9 children)

              AA you like redirecting.

              The word you are looking for is deflecting. It's a great skill. I agree the way he does them sound like he's mildly buckling. Its way better than being defensive. It might even be good since it shows slight humility and balances other things he said. I'm unclear on that.

              [–]zyqkvx 2 points3 points  (4 children)

              I like AA you like redirecting.

              The word you are looking for is deflecting.

              [–]Nutman-maddog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Don’t mistake being ‘humble’ as ‘self deprecation’

              [–]Alleycat0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This, I think you're too humble for your own good

              [–]Prowess278 13 points14 points  (9 children)

              This is the first time I've heard of the "Shit Test" and it feels like finding a missing puzzle piece. This is awesome.

              [–]Trench8822 7 points8 points  (8 children)

              How did you find this post without ever hearing of a shit test? Just curious.

              [–]Prowess278 6 points7 points  (6 children)

              I just recently started following this group

              [–]HurricaneHugues 5 points6 points  (5 children)

              Read the whole sidebar material so u can be up to speed on the philosophy, rules of conduct, lingo, and genral FAQ.

              [–]Prowess278 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Will do, thanks. I just got banned from another sub for commenting here as well.

              [–]HurricaneHugues 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Yeah, people have a big misconception of what this place is and society led by the female imperative shames any type of male only space. What was your opinion on TRP before coming here.

              [–]Prowess278 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I'm newer to reddit, I first learned about TRP from the documentary by the same name. It confirmed alot of what I've already known. Friends of mine have essentially had their lives destroyed by women that by default have the upper hand when it comes to divorce. From what I've seen here so far it seems more of a possitive group for men to build each other up. I personally have worked on my self and learned a lot and I have been using the various communities online to help myself due to childhood issues etc. I've enjoyed trying to help others that reach out for help online.

              [–]RiptideRookie 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I keep hearing about the sidebar. I see the sidebar when I use a computer, how do I see it on mobile? Thanks in advance!

              [–]HurricaneHugues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Dont use the mobile version. Log intk your browser, and resquest the desktop version. Its what I use.

              [–]jon_pat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              this is the first time i've heard of the internet and it's awesome

              [–]Regam45 5 points6 points  (5 children)

              I like your post, i find it contains some good points.

              I have a question about a situation i found myself in a few days ago.

              (In a Hurry? Skip to the last Paragraph)

              I was out swimming with two guy and a girl, the two guys knew the girl better than me as they are from the same town. Both guys seem to be attracted to the girl, keept teasing here and showing theyre intresst. Because i'm not attracted to the girl i didn't do any of this. After a comment about touching here ass from one of the guys she called them both assholes. But then went on saying she wouldn't care about me touching here Ass becouse i'm Gay. I'm not gay and i felt like i shouldn't care about here comment. But i couldn't come up with a good response to this "accusation" then and neider when she said it again later.

              Long story short: what do you do if someone accuses you of beeing Gay?

              [–]HurricaneHugues 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              She said that to test you, because in her female brain it makes no sense for her to be in the company of 3 guys where 2 of them are actively thirsting after her and 1 one doesnt fall for her charrm. Something must be wrong with you, because she herself is PERFECT and should be desired by ALL men.

              In a situation like that it depends on if u find her attractive or not. If 2 dudes are thirsting over her already, there is no point in trying hard. Acting nonchalant works in your favor. Never directly compete with other males for a female's attention. If u were interested, u couldve just agreed with her while maintaining strong eye contact and a slight grin or a neutral face "Yeah, Im pretty gay. Come let me feel your ass". If you're not interested, you still agree with her "Yeah Im pretty gay", that way she will leave u alone and u can go back to watching desperate men reach for sea water to qwench their thirst.

              [–]ebaymasochist 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              It's not an accusation, being gay isn't a crime... It's trying to emasculate you, it's a big shit test.. You gotta show that they can't bother you with such stupid things. Say "If I was gay, I'd be with my hot ass husband right now, not hanging out with you losers"

              [–]ImAnIronmanBtw 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              I tell them 'to bend over and let me fuck your ass then, faggot.'

              Double down.

              [–]CharCanDo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              She called you gay because you weren’t attracted to her, she like many men tried to increase her value in relation to you by lowering yours.

              If a woman I was interested in called me gay I’d probably take it as an IOI.

              [–]wordsoundpower 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              With the girl I would likely have said, 'That's good because my gay ass is going to spend a lot of time with my hands on it'. Now, she has to allow it or admit she was full of shit. Win.

              Other people thinking or implying you're gay? Fuck 'em. Unless they are maliciously trying to hurt you, it's just words.

              [–]lazydogg9 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Hey bro.. What books did you read?

              [–]Mrrpuss 9 points10 points  (4 children)

              Just make sure your intentions are in the right place. These minute perspirations, if you will, or the transpiration of your inner-cadence and frame, are of utmost importance in the rendering of your image by others. What is ultimately used as a means of acute analysis as to the nature of your character, by women, is that which is established "in between the lines," rather than within any individual line.

              [–]Demiurge_Decline 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              out

              What is your IQ? You speak like a brain. Thats a compliment by the way.

              [–]Mrrpuss 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              I really appreciate your compliment, brother. Truly hits me at the utmost sweet spot given that the metric of IQ is a psycho-social indicator for which I have a lot of respect and therein hold a lot of vested intrigue in. Do you have a high IQ yourself, per chance?

              [–]Demiurge_Decline 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              129 is not genius level but enough to recognize higher cognition abilities than I have.

              [–]Mrrpuss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I merely asked in order to be able to ascribe, more aptly, if you will, a certain level of worth to your compliment in my regard, if you know what I mean ;) Haha, many thanks bro and props on your high IQ. I need to get mine tested.

              [–]ebaymasochist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              If they're trying to make jokes about your success, it's really them trying to convey respect without coming across as ass kissing. Men today are kind of fucked mentally about certain things, like not being able to compliment each other.

              The last example of the tinder date guy trying to rip you down is different from the others. He's a leech and you need to get rid of him ASAP

              [–]furcryingoutloud 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              I worked at a friend's office for a few months, I was not an employee, more like a consultant. Of course this didn't stop one of his exec employees from feeling very insecure about my presence, and he continually kept trying to showboat me.

              I never reacted to his slights, except for one time when we were sitting with some very heavy clients at a huge conference table discussing business. The client's daughter was present, and this guy was really in showboating mode. At one point he quipped, "Why do you always wear the same belt?" Most of his jabs were centered around the fact that I always refused to wear a tie. I would wear the suit, but not with a collared shirt.

              My answer? "Hmm, I guess I like this belt, interesting, my wife is the only other person who notices what I'm wearing." The owner's daughter laughed so hard he stepped out to "drink some water".

              This stopped him cold at this client's offices. But I later had to offer him the chance to beat his hatred out of me. This I did one to one, where no one could see him back down, which he did. I am not a badass, but you'd be surprised how quickly most men back down when you give them the option while you are alone with them.

              [–]kealh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              What do you mean you offer him a chance to beat his hatred out for you?

              [–]furcryingoutloud 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              He could beat me until his hatred was gone. Or try to.

              [–]TributeHDD 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              sounds like you hang out with your high school friends too much

              [–]Guardian_of_Justice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Yes. This is what i wanted to see on this subreddit. For me realizing that everyone has insecurities as a reason behind their shit tests makes me able to hold frame. Not because i want their respect but because i know they are trying to fight their own insecurities and should not be taken personally.

              [–]CSS_Programmer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              I have to admit that I am totally guilty of this kinda thing. I've known about this community for quite a few years, but now I really want to lurk and learn as much as possible.

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              [–]Yousuflol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              dont be that guy now... come on

              [–]francie-brady 2 points3 points  (4 children)

              OP, have you noticed wether or not you started to shit test other people as well? Also, in your oppinion, who shit test men most: high value or low value men?

              [–]Hencley[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

              That's easy, you ever see Christiano Ronaldo shit test other soccer players? Brad Pitt shit test his costars? I believe the only time a high value man would shit test is to see if a man was worth of a job, task, etc. Basic training is essentially a shit test for the army.

              [–]thesquarerootof1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Basic training is essentially a shit test for the army.

              OMG, don't even get me started on this. I was in the Army for three years, and I was in the infantry. Fuck, the term "shit test" is an understatement

              [–]HurricaneHugues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Off course guys shit test others, theyll do it on set or at practice to jest.

              [–]jon_pat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              yeah, you only shit test those those who you don't immediately recognize as losers

              [–]AssDefect20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I understand your point about male shit tests, but I have noticed that I dont really get them in my life. I mean I get "teased" in a similar way, but its all benevolent, wouldnt compare it to bitches "testing frame". It seems that I could say almost anything, excluding being butthurt. Do these real shit tests come with age?

              [–]Pezotecom 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              I have a question. The redpilled man also do these shit tests?

              [–]HurricaneHugues 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Nothing wrong with taking playful jabs at other dudes to test their frame and joke around

              [–]aBetterNation 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              I love when people bring up other people’s cars when I talk about mine (F type R).

              I always say something like, “yeah, but why don’t you tell them how your car is faster than both of ours”. When you do this they’ll know every time they jump in to a car convo they’ll be forced to talk about the pos they drive.

              [–]2chazthundergut 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Also agreed. Good examples, and good responses.

              The nice thing about male shit tests is that as you pointed out once men establish where they are on the pecking order, the testing usually stops and you may even win a strong ally.

              Frame is everything

              [–]LeonBarosanul 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              hell yeah this is a basic post, and i don't mean it in a disrespectful way whatsoever. what i've noticed is that mostly low level dudes are trying to give you shit, to elevate their status above yours. i guess they're feeling threatened or something. i think that not taking them seriously, and A&A works wonders

              [–]jon_pat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              yeah, also when they are too low (and obviously too stupid), they have a hard time judging your level, unless you have obvious display of dominance (like a big car, a smoking, big muscles etc)

              thats why to be the man, you gotta impress both the retards and the smart ones, all at once

              [–]ahab_dies 2 points3 points  (3 children)

              Good post but what jumped out at me is that you have shitty friends. Men will shit test you but it shouldn't be coming from your friends. Real bros compare notes, support each other, and congratulate each other. They don't tear each other down.

              A good rule for TRP is to not spend time with downer people. There are other guys who are like yourself who you can spend time with. I don't know how you'd meet them, though. I'd suggest spending more and more time by yourself and learning to be happy with that.

              For me I spend a lot of my personal life alone because I'm just not interested in having friends like yours. Anyone I would have to pass shit tests from I would not consider a friend. Occasionally I meet a genuine guy who is cool and I like but due to the nature of my job I move a lot so these relationships don't last, but they are very valuable.

              [–]Hencley[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              This is the area of my life I want to improve the most right now. I'm aware my friends aren't really good friends. I can't depend on them, they bail constantly, very insecure and competitive, and simply don't offer much value. My 2 best friends and I had a falling out a couple years ago and tbh I'm pretty much on my own.

              Really wanna pick up some new friends that are genuinely good people. Trouble is it's tough to meet good dudes as it is good women as well I find.

              [–]ahab_dies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              It's good that you recognise the issue.

              Just be alone for a while, man. It's really not so bad. Try and learn to enjoy it. Try something new by yourself. Join a class, go for a walk/drive, go to bed early and wake up feeling really fresh at 6am. It's a very strengthening experience learning to enjoy your own company and not needing other people, and once you've become someone who's self reliant other quality people will gravitate to you more.

              [–]theJMD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              You must be willing to walk away from pieces of shit to have the strength to attract high value people into your life.

              Here’s a hint: you only need one or two.

              Keep aiming higher than you are. Due to your success, it’s easy to rest on your laurels high above the losers you used to be.

              Be rid of them or they will eventually drag you back down.

              “You are who you surround yourself with.”

              Life is lonely.

              The world is cold.

              Embrace it.

              [–]Insatiant 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              I rarely comment on these, but great post man.

              [–]nonsmokingstang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Same here, I never comment but this post really hit me. Keep helpin this community out brother

              [–]Compeliminator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              congrats on the corvette. the c5 and newer ones are absolutely awesome cars.

              [–]frankreyes 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              It's called banter / bantering, some people confuse it with bullying, others interpret it as friendship bonding.

              [–]gtphanta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              No, it's actually trying to establish the pecking order. This kind of thing is often why guys might fight when they first meet and then be best friends afterwards... they just need to figure out who sits on the higher rung of the ladder and then all is right with the world again.

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              [–]theJMD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              “I didn’t like the test drive”

              See ya bitches

              [–]jon_pat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I also feel a lot of guys likes to put pressure on you by making you uncomfortable in social settings

              lol you immediately discredited yourself and when I've read the rest of your post it perfectly fitted the quote

              [–]Brain_Beam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Dude...dude. havent ever thought about shit test from dudes. just putting what i just read into my perspective, basically youre saying something that cant be refuted. If you address any of those with your initial responses it could drag on. Well played sir.

              [–]P4rkrb01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              A couple of things which have worked well with me when other guys shit test and in front of women.

              If someone brings up something embarrassing to try and humiliate you in front of others I will acknowledge the embarrassment head on with something like

              'I know, how embarrassing that thing was, I was so humiliated'....

              This takes the power away from the other person. It shows you can't be shamed and DGAF but in a good way.

              If the person bringing this up persists then they prove to the rest of the group it is they who are insecure. At that point I'd then ignore and if they persisted still I'd counter with something like.

              'OK, I heard you the first time'

              [–]drh7d3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This is awesome! I'd like to see more post on handling other men with frame and AMOG. Keep it up dude

              [–]assholeofthesky 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              why do men test other men? because for the sake of mankind, we don't want to deal with men who are pussies. one type of pussy is more than enough

              [–]Ezaar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              It’s competition.

              I mean, I know who I will follow to the ends of the earth, and I know I can pump myself up and others to take the hill while I lead the charge.

              It’s something that has been lost due to the ease in modern life.

              [–]iheartrms 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              I don't find guys shit testing me... Hardly ever. I'm new to TRP and still learning to deal with women's shit tests (failed hard just last night). But guys have never gotten to me and I don't even seem to notice if they are testing me. I guess that's good because I can't come off as lacking confidence or being insecure if I don't even notice, right?

              But I'm still trying to learn not to fail so badly with the female shit test.

              [–]FindTheBus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              They immediately say "Tyler's (fake name, friend with pretty cool supra) car is way cooler than yours."

              I would torpedo the entire conversation with the girl just to make that person look like the biggest aspie on the planet. First thing that comes to mind is probably saying nothing, acting like I expect them to keep going, then asking where the punchline is, then relaxing a bit like I just figured out what's going on and patting them on the shoulder and telling them it's okay, my cousin has aspergers, I know what they're dealing with. Maybe finish up with "Yeah, Tyler's car is a really cool car, isn't it? It's super fast and really shiny. Are you going to go tell anyone else here about it?"

              Either I humiliate this cockfag and give them a moment of social embarrassment that pops into their head when they're trying to go to sleep, or I bait them into a fight and fuck them up. Either way, some shit is just so retarded, it must be ended.

              [–]this_weeks_account2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Well written! Congrats on buying the car you always wanted. For me, that’s a Cadillac. Tell me more about the ‘vette, what year is she?

              [–]Kworrum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Be like stone and let their haterous waves of pissant jealousy break upon your steadfast self-respect. You shouldn't want or need respect from guys who act like that. There are plenty of men who don't get scared about having a small peepee and immediately resort to gradeschool shit talking.

              [–]OfficerWade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I get shit tests from guys all the time, especially at work. I want to tell them to stop shitting where they eat. Lmao but in reality most guys aren’t this far in their process and would take it as a conflict.

              [–]MarcosDomingues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Both guys and girls shit test you to see how strong your frame is, but for different reasons.

              Girls do it to see where you fit in their hypergamy. Guys usually do it as a means to climb the social ladder.

              [–]JcHgvr 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              I once third wheeled my friend on a Tinder date and spent a half an hour hearing him rip on me to the girl I had literally just met.

              People on this sub have a weird definition of friends. Me and my friends rip at each other relentlessly all the time, but not in situations like gaming woman.

              Also last time a mate of mine asked if my clothes come in man I told him that he "comes" in man enough for all of us.

              [–]Hencley[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Yeah to be honest I have a lot of friends with deep insecurities. This friend in particular was always jealous of me getting girls so he broke up with his GF and started trying to get laid to prove a point. He was threatened the girl was gonna be more interested in me (she asked about my business) and he immediately started going on about "yeah but he never works anymore."

              [–]theJMD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              These people are not your friends.

              They are people you cling to to keep yourself safe.

              People you used to know.

              Now that you have made improvements, you are a constant judge.

              You may waste time with them, however be aware that they will rub off on you.

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              [–]theJMD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              “It must be difficult being born without any direct challenges.”

              And then you stare at them like death itself.

              [–]Shakydrummer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Doing and saying stuff like how OP described emulates confidence and inner game. The trick though is while you can show that it's water off a ducks back, you can't let that be mistaken for being passive.

              [–]Abeham10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Solid. I typically answer in a cocky funny fashion like “yeah my famous fiends all stayed in so I had to settle for you guys” (shit grin). Cheers.

              [–]bot256 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              TBH, most of those friends you mentioned sound like insecure douches from what you've said. How insecure you gotta be to pick on your supposed friend in order to seem more alpha in front of some random chick. No decent male friend would risk a good friendship over some random skank.

              [–]gtphanta 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              It's funny - when I used to go clubbing in my younger days, it was the nights when I dressed up well that I got a whole lot more negative attention from guys. I'd have guys stopping in the street and trying these little tests - "You dress so well you must be gay?" and stuff like that, but when I didn't dress well, I never encountered any of that.

              [–]bot256 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Sure, we guys could be really insecure, It's just I haven't really experienced that too much from my closest male friends or at least not in public. Hmm, not sure if they are decent guys or if I am just not enough of a competition to them :D

              [–]gtphanta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Normally with your closest friends, that social order has either been well established as you were growing up, or you're now equals due to that bonding.

              [–]SKRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Shit tests from women are often cute in retrospect to the ones from men - for all that we talk of them here, these shit tests aren't really strong, just persistent and the end goal is to filter for co-operation. Shit tests from men are for realz...it's an actual contest -- your position in the group, the power game and at times even your personal safety is at stake. While holding frame is the same, shit tests from men have to be dealt with far more seriously.

              Women can keep shit testing you like how you want to keep poking them all the time. With men, their shit tests in some way are like a declaration of war and needs to be brought to a conclusion. The difference between women's and men's shit tests is the difference between continuous pokes and tickles vs a hard sucker punch, with similar consequences to the future of the relationship.

              If anything, being able to hold off shit tests from men dramatically boosts SMV as it means you can rise to the top of the ladder.

              [–]nm8ball 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              What books helped you understand shit tests or understanding conversations?

              [–]dngktsu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              To sum it up, have genuine confidence in yourself. Make progress. Get more confidence. Then you won’t give a shit about what turd is thrown at u, t wouldn’t be worth your time dawg

              [–]MyReddit6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Brah - nice post but I still don't think you're handling these with ZFG.

              Better responses, at least in my style would've been along the lines of: "Nah, total pussy" "Yes yes, gracing you peasants with my presence again" "yeah, its a cool car"

              Every now and then, very very rarely friend or coworker will throw something my way. The really socially aware ones will do it in good fun, like a banter to see who comes up on top that we just do every week or so. Facial expression is much more important than the words too.

              One thing I learned from a short, insanely stick skinny friend who slayed it with girls, is complimenting someone who shit tests you, but on something they're insecure about. "yeah man, you're actually pretty big for your height" "its not a bad ride" "yeah, if I had your hairline I'd probably do the same style" "bet you get a lot of looks in that shirt" "long time! your skin is looking so much better!"

              You get the idea, ambiguous surface level compliments, but it will eat away at their frame if they're inner game isn't tight.

              [–]TunedtoPerfection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Dude the car thing is so hilarious to me, it's something I learned VERY early on as I've always had modified, "cool" cars. Every time someone finds out about the car I drive it's an instant switch to them telling me about how much better every other car is.

              Never get defensive about things like that because it shows your ego is locked up in other peoples opinions of you.

              [–]Merwebb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Dude am at that point, just seeing as some interactions that I have with friends is about they trying desperately drag me down in front of people. Fuck that. Im tired of it.

              Just in anger phase about it

              [–]ICurseYourCat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I’ve run into guys who obviously read TRP and they try to shit test everyone and their fucking mothers. It’s fucking cringe.

              [–]thepontiff_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I’ve peeped that shit out too over time.

              [–]b2daoni 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Chuckle off the insult. Be humble. Neither confirm nor deny. Defending yourself against the insult loses your frame. FRAME above all... at least this is what I am inferring from your post.

              Correct me if I'm wrong.

              [–]obey_kush 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              You mentioned you readed some books, which were these?

              [–]_MysticFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              So essentially you take their criticisms literally & at face value e.g. "He has a cooler car" your response "yeah he probably does"

              Why do you hang around people like this?

              [–]FMPTheStrategist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I saved this post !!! This is gold.

              [–]slurmfactory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Great fuckin post. Love the examples

              [–]AceofRains 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              I went to a little dingey gay resort motel this past weekend. I had left town to attend a seminar for work. While I was there I was looking for people to socialize with. Suddenly a girl shouts out in the open (but also at me) oh no my friend is leaving me! Intrigued by her obvious call, I went over to socialize with her. Within 5 minutes she added me on FB. She introduced her friend, a twink with a mesh shirt and gold necklace that said “Trophy”. The girl was at least an 8 and is an absolute 10 in her profile pics. Though I’m gay I would fuck her before her friend any day. (Matter o fact I’m sitting on this one for a rainy day.) She tells me embarrassing stories about him and their friendship, and I explain why I’m in town and staying at the resort. Eventually we finish our drinks, and she sends her friend to get more drinks. They don’t know what the want so I decide for them a vodka cranberry. I could see her instantly more turned on to me for making the executive decision to choose the drink and she reacted just as I antipicated, very pleased with my choice. When the twink came back to the table, started getting really petty with me. “Why are you still here.” Ignored him until the 3rd time I leaned in real close and said “because I’m u/aceofrains, bitch”- and resumed chitchatting with the girl. He starts getting antsy and tries to pick up the bar table and throw it at me. As soon as it moves an inch I put my foot on the base and give him a cocky smile. She’s like, “omg friend you need to chill out.- but I still love you you’re still my bestie.” After that I retort, “Aww you’re hella loyal, if I were straight you’d definately be my wife.” At which point the twink totally flips his shit and grabs her and drags her away. Was hilarious little experiment on my part. Insecure gays get overprotective of their BFF and will try to put you down in front of them.

              [–]Hencley[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Haha that is a dynamic I have never thought about but a hilarious story. Fuck that guy, I can just seen his defeat after trying to move the table and you stepped on it.

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