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Men's RightsAmy Schumer admits to raping a guy, feminists support her, /r/askfeminists decide the guy raped her... (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Modredpillschool

Generally I try to avoid the outrage porn, but this one is too good to pass up.

Amy Schumer apparently gives a speech where she admits to raping a drunk guy, continuing sexual acts despite the fact that he's intoxicated and occasionally falls asleep..

A detailed article is found here.

Well, in case you were asleep over the past few years (and subsequently raped by Amy Schumer), the latest feminist push has obviously been expanding the borders of the term "rape." One such frontier has been deciding that drunk sex is rape- or to clarify, somebody who is intoxicated cannot give consent, therefore having sex with somebody intoxicated is rape.

Now, putting aside the fact that this opens the door for two drunk people to simultaneously rape each other consensually, it's obvious in this case as one party is intoxicated and the other is sober that only one of them can consent. Hint: it's the sober person. She has 100% control of whether she enters the room.

Nevertheless, /r/askfeminists decides that maybe it's not rape- and some even go so far to argue that she didn't enjoy it so he probably raped her since "he was the aggressor."

Now let's just look at the details: if a 12 year old girl came on to a n 18 year old guy, he has a responsibility to say no because she's too young to consent. It doesn't matter if she puts herself onto him, he needs to leave the scenario. It doesn't matter that she was the aggressor, she was somebody who lacked the ability to consent to sex.

If a drunk guy comes onto a girl, she has the responsibility to say no. It doesn't matter that he was the aggressor, he was somebody who lacked the ability to consent to sex.

Well... if you accept the nonsense definitions that feminists bring forward.

Is anybody surprised another feminist ideal is inconsistent with itself?

The answer, of course, is never be alone with a woman. They represent a legal liability in any and every scenario.

That's not really realistic advice, and I personally enjoy being around women. But at least you've been warned.


[–]screamingATtrees 93 points94 points  (13 children)

Wow the comments... They still blame the man in his own rape...And yes flip the genders and they would be gathering torches and pitchforks

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        [–]TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter_ 22 points23 points  (1 child)

        If a drunk person is the "aggressor" and has sex with a person who did not consent, that person is the one raping.

        That hamster is working overtime. Holy shit.

        [–]EeeeeeevilMan 559 points560 points  (85 children)

        A woman blatantly "rapes" a dude by their own retarded feminist definition of rape and somehow they manage to spin it--with a straight fucking face--that he's the rapist.

        I don't know why I'm fucking surprised but I am. The bottom just keeps getting lower. That thread is honestly horrifying.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 190 points191 points  (18 children)

        Here's the moment from r/askfeminists where the hamster makes the jump to hyperspace:

        Feminist: "Now obviously we only have one side of the story but according to her story, she froze and panicked when a drunk man attempted to have sex with her. I do not think she raped the guy."

        (Why is it relevant that we only have "one side of the story"? We have the rapist's side of the story and she just confessed.)

        Rational male: "As the article states and is generally accepted, consent is required for non-rape sex. Consent cannot be given in an inebriated state. So no, in fact according to feminist definitions, the ONLY thing she did was rape the guy. I mean, of that there is no doubt."

        (Yes. 100% correct.)

        Feminist: "But rape can be committed in an inebriated state. If a drunk person is the "aggressor" and has sex with a person who did not consent, that person is the one raping."

        (Wow. The mind reels. Let's review her feminist logic: In some other, totally-unrelated scenario, any random drunk person would indeed be capable of rape. And if that drunk person from that totally-unrelated scenario were to forcibly rape an unconsenting female... then that would of course be rape. Therefore that totally-unrelated scenario will now magically relate to this scenario for no reason other than it would make me right. Got it?)

        Rational Male: "As per the woman's own words, she consented. I'm almost certain there is no case that HE raped HER."

        (Yes. 100% correct.)

        Feminist: "Actually according to her own account, she described the experience of a rape victim."

        Zoooooooom. Jump to hyperspace: Complete.

        And there we have it. She shows up at his door. She's dead sober, he's shitfaced. She is aware of this and enters his room.

        She consents to sex and he's barely hard because he's so "wasted" (her words). And r/askfeminists concludes .... wait for it... she's a rape victim.

        HOLY FUCK. That's like a hamster from Jurassic Park. It's 90 feet tall and devouring everything in it's path.

        [–]PowerMasterLord 54 points55 points  (8 children)

        It's really disgusting that these new feminists have assumed the moral high ground and have super-shitty arguments that somehow get validated with sky-high bullshit. Worst part is that they've entered the world of legality. With shitty arguments like that, you damn well need a good lawyer to twist it into something that goes on the books.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 51 points52 points  (0 children)

        Maybe Amy Schumer's rape victim (whatever his name is... apparently it didn't matter) should have carried a mattress around every day and demanded that Amy Schumer change schools.

        [–]1PrinceofSpades 39 points40 points  (5 children)

        3rd wave feminism is literally a cancer.

        I was all for equality, I really was raised that way, but it just has nothing to do with that anymore, and these people are now the last things I would ever want to consider my equals with such an alarming lack of reason and intelligence behind their arguments.

        Funnily enough, the female friends of mine who laugh at feminism with me are the ones acting like, and deserving of being, equals. Irony.

        [–]1independentmale 28 points29 points  (4 children)

        I was all for equality

        I still am. 100%. Women need to be held accountable exactly as men are. No more special favors, preferential treatments and so on. They should be sentenced just as harshly in criminal cases. They should work as hard as we do. Bitches want equality, let's fucking give it to them.

        My LTR is a self-proclaimed feminist. She loves the equality so I make her pay her half of everything even though it pisses her off and likely contributes to the inevitable death of our relationship. Hey, you want to be equal, this is what it looks like. Deal with it.

        [–]Thizzlebot 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        She loves the equality so I make her pay her half of everything even though it pisses her off and likely contributes to the inevitable death of our relationship.

        It's beautiful to see you as a captain on a sinking ship just smiling because he's still sailing.

        [–]1independentmale 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Great analogy! Gave me a good laugh, thank you.

        I just don't give a fuck anymore. I've been doing this for so long that I've mastered abundance mentality. I'm not worried about ever being alone. There are countless bitches who would kill to have a guy like me, so I don't let their shit get to me anymore. I laugh it off and do my thing.

        [–]merkmerk73 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        It's just cognitive dissonance - the discomfort experienced by the mind when presented with evidence and views opposite of existing beliefs.

        It's entirely natural and you see it everywhere on reddit and we even see it in ourselves.

        This individual has based her whole belief system and view of the world on feminist drivel. Anything that challenges it or threatens it will be mental gymnastic'd until it is no longer a threat.

        [–]Thengine 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Feminist: "Actually according to her own account, she described the experience of a rape victim."

        Zoooooooom. Jump to hyperspace: Complete.

        I lost my shit at that visual.

        [–]sithman25 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        My god...they've gone plaid!

        I imagine some on the fence feminists were even going "what the fuck?"

        The more statements like this, the more insane feminist law will sound.

        [–]Sadpanda596 7 points8 points  (3 children)

        Haha good post. I read the post.... At first I was like, ok, ok, I can understand the rationale, don't agree with it but whatever, nothing too horrible. Then this chick starts talking about the Schumer being the rape victim, literally, because her statements suggest that she FEELS like the victim? What in the fuck.

        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        Feels over reals, that's life in a girl's head.

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        "Go for the eyes, Boo! Go for the eyes!" - Minsc the Ranger and his companion Boo, the miniature Giant Space Hamster.

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          [–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 68 points69 points  (50 children)

          It's also important to note that she's not funny.

          She's never been funny. And when women fail repeatedly (at anything), feminism and patriarchy quickly become their favorite topics.

          Women comedians in general aren't funny. They mistake crass and abrasive for funny. There's even a film called "Women aren't funny" which assembles the world's best female comedians to point out how absurd the claim is that "women aren't funny" -- and guess what? It's not funny.

          Christopher Hitchens obliterates them here -- basically they're just copying men:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S692f1tnuQ

          And Patrice O'Neal of course, has profound understanding of why women aren't funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV7vv3rFxNA

          There are loads of arguments for "why" women aren't funny, and as you might guess, they all come down to: You've been taught by the patriarchy to believe women aren't funny. http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-ways-were-programmed-to-think-women-arent-funny/

          [–]my_redpill_account 13 points14 points  (8 children)

          Oh my god I'm glad to hear this from someone else. Whitney Cummings and Amy are only good at talking about dicks, periods and being a slut. "Lol I'm a slut!"

          Not even really jokes. Maria Bamford is hilarious. I listen to stand up every day in the car, she's the only woman I've found funny besides Natasha Leggero.

          As soon as Amy comes on I switch to another channel, I tried to give her a chance but couldn't laugh.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Maria Bamford is a top all-time comedian for me. However, she would even tell you it's because she's literally insane.

          Also - I saw Natasha Leggero at a small club years ago, and it was the live performance I've ever seen in my life because she thrashed a drunk chick for 20 minutes.

          [–]HellbillyDeluxe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I don't care much for her show either, but the 12 angry men skit was a very solid one.

          [–]my_redpill_account 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Haven't seen the show. Should clarify its Sirius radio (free trial, why pay for a service that has channels who play ads).

          I'll check out the skit. I wouldn't just ignore her for bad jokes completely.

          [–]gokurakumaru 21 points22 points  (0 children)

          God, that Cracked article is cringe worthy. For a start, one of the "programming" points is them postulating humour was an evolutionary advantage for men, which suggests men are in fact funnier because we're bred to be. Talk about a self-defeating argument.

          Then later in the article it claims we're "already biased" and if the article was written by a man the reader would find it funnier. The irony being that it was only at this point that I even realised the article was written by a woman, because -- and this might surprise the author who clearly has a persecution complex -- I don't care who writes an article, I read the content and then form my opinion based on the merit of the text. The article isn't funny because, well, it's not funny. That's the fault of the writer's brain, not her vagina.

          [–]Chaohinon 30 points31 points  (19 children)

          To add insult to injury, if you don't think she's funny, you're a misogynist.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 40 points41 points  (12 children)

          And the reason that female stand-up comics do 'group shows' in small and midsize venues and Chris Rock sells out solo shows at 15,000 seat arenas... is patriarchy.

          Just ridiculous. At every turn that men are more successful it's because of something unfair. Feminists are just angry children.

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            [–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 23 points24 points  (6 children)

            "Funny ones are funny, it's just that there aren't as many of them out there..."

            Well that's the distinction that feminists actually can't accept.

            There are female-successes in every field. But not nearly as many.

            The reason for this is at the heart of feminist ideology: They claim the disparity is due to oppression.

            It's a particularly absurd statement when you're talking about something like stand-up comedy which is as free-market as any industry gets. If you're funny, you're successful. If you're not, you're not.

            [–]Modredpillschool[S] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

            I don't know about standup, but I've always found Tina Fey's writing to be darn funny- 30 rock is one of my favorite shows.

            But for each Tina Fey there's at least thirty guys equally as good at their job.

            [–]magus678 11 points12 points  (1 child)

            I have been downvoted on here before for saying the same. Tina Fey can hang with the best of them.

            But it is also true that being an attractive woman gives her advantages over other comics when their comic merit is roughly equal. But that's life in general, and women get to take advantage of that more often than men do. I sometimes wonder that this is one of the pillars supporting hate against TRP; men aren't supposed to be allowed to use sex and attraction to get things we want, that is woman's game.

            Incidentally, what we want IS sex and attraction, so there's that.

            [–]1PrinceofSpades 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yeah, and the successful ones aren't the ones talking about feminism, because they are too busy actually working hard and being successful. Instead, they are just doing what it takes rather than expecting hand-outs.

            [–]1PrinceofSpades 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Well it's been my experience that men continue to get more mature all throughout their lives while women sort of stop maturing between 14 and 24 and stay that age the rest of their lives unless they realize it and do something about it (rare). The maturity level definitely varies, but it also falls within a range. Makes sense why the most successful stories about marriage you hear on here all involve getting your wife to want to make you proud.

            Hell, when I graduated university, my family went out drinking and my grandma was acting no differently then any random girl I'd see/talk to at parties, giggling like a teenage girl, while my grandpa and stepdad were in the middle of a really intelligent discussion despite drinking about a bottle of champagne each.

            Life's interesting to sit back and observe.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Men continue to evolve because they have to. Women realize they can just ride the pussy train into the grave.

            [–]furyoffive 9 points10 points  (5 children)

            My girlfriend called me a sexist because I told her I don't find Amy Poehler funny.. good times.

            [–]The_BeardedGentleman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I dated someone for a short stint who was the embodiment of AP, she even had the same voice as her. It was fucking creepy seeing parks and rec for the first time a few years later. Chick was psycho.

            [–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I watched Parks and Rec only for Aziz and Ron Swanson. Oh, and Aubrey Plaza is funny in a clinically insane kind of way, on the show and IRL. Poehler's character wasn't funny.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            If you don't want to date a black man, you're a racist, sexist pig.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I don't find Amy Poehler funny

            That's because she isn't. She's a too much of a try-hard.

            [–]Elodrian 2 points3 points  (4 children)

            My list of comediennes who I find genuinely funny consists of Tina Fey and the cast of Archer.

            [–]dabrah1 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            sarah silverman has her moments too

            [–]Elodrian 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            I've seen her show; honestly can't say I care for it.

            [–]magus678 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Incidentally, in that Patrice video they stumble on Amy Schumer around 22:00.

            They are talking about how hot she is. Facepalm

            [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 8 points9 points  (1 child)

            Women comedians in general aren't funny. They mistake crass and abrasive for funny. There's even a film called "Women aren't funny" which assembles the world's best female comedians to point out how absurd the claim is that "women aren't funny" -- and guess what? It's not funny.

            Generally agree, there are a few exceptions. For example, I think this woman's dry wit is genius. She is of course, very masculine in her characteristics. There's a rape innuendo in there if you can spot it.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ1oSS5bQvQ

            [–]VinTheRighteous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I just actually listened to the Patrice segment. He doesn't say women aren't funny. He says certain women aren't funny (more specifically people who have had easy lives aren't funny). He specifically names more women that he finds funny than ones he doesn't.

            [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 14 points15 points  (0 children)

            Men are always guilty and girls are always helpless victims.

            Remember that, because it's the legal view of everything now.

            [–]onepill_twopill 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            Even James Cameron can't raise this bar

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              [–]mryddlin 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              They are actually getting down voted pretty heavily.

              Most people are just not touching it at all, interesting snapshot into the current culture.

              I feel like 80% are feminist that were born into the religion are are just starting to realize how cray-cray it really is.

              Hope for victory, plan for defeat. Don't get me wrong I'm not betting the farm on that but it's a nice trend indicator.

              [–]1Halfjor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              The doublethink has always been strong with people like that.

              [–]Rougepellet 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Jesus the hamster is like a super power. I didn't realize it could be this powerful. Maybe they all just have a legitimate mental disease that makes them this stupid?

              [–]1PrinceofSpades 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I'm more surprised by the fact that I'm not surprised anymore. Nawalt, but awalt. Tough life.

              [–]moose_war 209 points210 points  (56 children)

              Yo just to recap: if a woman rapes you, no one will care. If a woman accuses you of rape, you are fucked because everyone will believe her. If a woman hits you, people will laugh and if she is arrested she'll get a warning. If you hit a woman, you will get beaten by 12 white knights and go to jail.

              And women have the nerve to say they always feel scared around men because of muh patriarchy.

              [–]SMEGMA_CHEESE 69 points70 points  (36 children)

              As someone on the receiving end of female physical abuse, it's all true. I couldn't talk about it, and if I did, people didn't take it seriously. She would use weapons.

              [–]easyroscoe 54 points55 points  (23 children)

              Having seen a girl whip a guy with a length of chain hard enough to put him in ICU, I know how fucked up that situation can be. He was in ICU because she cut open his throat with a chain, and she got a few months of pretrial diversion. It doesn't even count as an arrest on her record long-term.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 43 points44 points  (3 children)

              Well he obviously was raping her with his mind so she needed to defend herself!

              /s

              [–]theproudbanana 27 points28 points  (1 child)

              She needs feminism because sometimes yes means no.

              [–]SMEGMA_CHEESE 10 points11 points  (3 children)

              Yup, they always get off with a slap on the wrist, especially in places infected with extremist feminism like where I live. A woman could murder someone in cold blood here and they'll find a way to explain why it isn't her fault.

              [–]Brian_Official 20 points21 points  (2 children)

              Well knives are phallic and fundamentally male. So if she stabbed someone to death, really the patriarchy is the true culprit

              [–]Bwhitty23 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              I hope one day I see this used as a justification for her murdering someone because I would assume all the wheels on the feminist wagon just went over an IED.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              all the wheels on the feminist wagon just went over an IED.

              I'm using this from now on.

              [–]foldpak111 16 points17 points  (9 children)

              Women will get theirs after the downfall of America.

              [–]mryddlin 9 points10 points  (6 children)

              The US has fucking orbitial kinetic weapons, they are not going to roll over and die anytime soon.

              Believe it or not but the millennials are quite a solid generation, along with the technology changes coming down the pipe...well don't hold your breath for that.

              Last point, USA may seem extremely fuckrd up don't count the average american out of the game yet, they have legs and know how to run with it.

              The only thing that can kill the USA is loss of confidence in the green back, and that is obviously not happening right now.

              [–]Elodrian 6 points7 points  (4 children)

              I wonder if the Baby Boomers will come to be viewed as the worst generation in American history. On the one hand, they were on watch for the Cold War and putting a man on the moon, but they also oversaw the US's transition from lender to debtor. It seems like everything that generation achieved they paid for with a credit card and passed the bill on to us.

              [–]Gunnilingus 11 points12 points  (1 child)

              Baby boomers didn't put a man on the moon...their parents did. The oldest baby boomer was 23 when Neil Armstrong stepped off the ladder. Even by the end of the cold war, Baby Boomers were mostly in their late 30s and early 40s, not really the ones in the major positions of power. In my opinion, Baby Boomers really just rode the wave of economic success and technological innovation that was set in motion by their parents, and then quickly set about ruining it through unfiltered greed in the 90s and early 2000s. Their parents are called "The Greatest Generation" for a reason.

              [–]Elodrian 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              I don't think you can even call it greed. Greed and ambition are essentially similar, they can be a force for good. The Boomers are more like the person who maxes out two or three credit cards on minor purchases without really paying attention to the monthly statements. That person isn't greedy, they're just irresponsible and stupid.

              [–]mryddlin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory

              This theory basically confirms they totally are the worst generation.

              The upside is the millennials are quite a decent generation, in the words of Chuck D 'Don't Believe the Hype', it's up to GenX to provide leadership.

              I came across this before TRP and immediately though of the 'genx is here to provide leadership' part of the theory in action.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              What the fuck. Pretrial diversion with a felonious assault? pussyyypassss

              [–]easyroscoe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Wasn't her first or last pretrial diversion for similar circumstances, although it was definitely the most violent.

              She later dated another guy I knew and woke him up one morning by sitting on his chest and slugging him in the face repeatedly. Guess who got locked up when he had had enough and threw her off of him and into the wall?

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              More than one pretrial diversion?!!?!? Fuck this fucking country. I have to not believe you for my sanity, I'm sorry don't try to convince me it's true.

              [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (11 children)

              I had to play the long game. She would threaten to take my Son and leave so I spent a couple of years avoiding trigger issues with her and when she threatened divorce again April I said yes. She did it with classical hypoagency. "If you keep talking to me like that we will get a divorce" shit test "there is nothing wrong with the way I'm talking to you, im not going to change" "we have to get divorce then, but it's because you want to, you have to say you want a divorce" 'I want a divorce' and I filed.

              [–]SMEGMA_CHEESE 8 points9 points  (10 children)

              They tend to threaten with divorce but never actually mean it, you know? "I hate you, never leave me..." is the classic quote.

              I'm pretty damn sure the abusive women we learn to loathe are the ones with Borderline Personality Disorder that hasn't been diagnosed. You end up hating them so much, but then you learn how broken they are inside and the hate turns into pity, but not sympathy.

              Did your wife always try to be tough and never cried in front of you? Mine didn't cry in front of me even once for two years. She's Japanese, so that might be it, though.

              [–]well-ok-then 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              My ex claimed she was sure I was BPD and gave me a book about it to prove it. As far as I could tell, it was CLEARLY talking about her

              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Oh man, I see this constantly. Guys project too, but women do it incessantly and take it to a comical level. It's part of their whole "use words for their connotations, not their meanings" thing. When they say negative things about others, you learn so much more about what they think about themselves deep down than about who they're referring to.

              [–]mryddlin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Up vote for truth and DAT user name :)

              BPD seems to be very common in women, I'm starting to feel like they are just applying a medical label to the AWALT behaviors.

              BPD = me walking right the fuck away

              [–]1PrinceofSpades 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Every year I get older, I find more women who seemingly don't want a relationship of any kind because they are "too broken." Im in my early 20s. Mind you, they are down to fuck me like a bunny at a phone call's notice, but bring up anything with a shred of emotion in it and poof, they're gone. I've basically accepted my fate as the hot rebound/ dump my boyfriend for you fuck, but I don't do beta "put her on the pedestal behavior and get her whatever she wants," so she doesn't want anything resembling a relationship with me. Then she'll go off, use some beta bux until she can't stand him anymore, and find another me. Every girl, same story. It's nothing short of extremely selfish behavior under the guise of being a victim.

              I'm currently in the process of writing a bloody novel because so much fucked up shit happened to me in an extremely short period of time. Yet none of that even mildly impacts the way I am with potential partners or sex-pals. So what in the ever-living fuck happened to ALL these women that made their life SO hard? Well, I'd say that a solid 4 in 5, once I pry them for "deep" information, had someone cheat on them or simply just got broken up with by someone they managed to hold onto for longer than 6 months.

              Those things happen to almost everyone, they aren't permission for you to suddenly be a total fuck-up the rest of your existence. Shame they can't comprehend that, and being the victim is all they really want out of life.

              I remember way back when I used to try to help these people, but I seriously start to hear it nowadays and just immediately walk out from wherever we are and that's that.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              My brother works in Juvenile detention with girls with BPD. He doesn't think that my ex has BPD. He just thinks she is one of the AWALTist women he's ever met. Part of the problem is that her dad is a master of frame and manipulation and has been cheating on her mom for 20 years.

              So she had major trust issues. I went on a fishing trip with my brother and she was cool up to the point I had to leave and then she picked a monstrous fight the night before and when I got back to town it was to an empty house. She had gone to her parents.

              Her parents always giving safe harbor made it so that she never had to fix her problems. Doesnt matter I've lost 50lbs through diet and exercise. Doesn't matter I stopped being abused at work and only worked my 45hrs a week. Doesn't matter that things had improved to the point that I had gotten one of the first true blow jobs (not just some pre-game head) was a few weeks before the split). Doesn't matter that I was studying for a cert that was going to get me a better job (hours certaintly, maybe even money).

              What mattered is if I crushed a shit test she could retreat to her parents. We talk about shit tests all the time here. You have the frame test where they see if you are stoic and consistent. This is like a child testing boundaries (or motherfucking velociraptors throwing themselves against electric fences). I don't remember who said it on here, but shit tests are about re-negotiating the terms of the relationship. They want to take as much as they can and give as little as possible. And that's virtually everybody. Unless your clueless, like i am. But a at least now I am self aware. I had gained a lot of ground and the relationship was getting to a point of pairity, where I thought I had it licked. I was going to be the motherfucking man post an awesome field review about fixing my marriage the RP way. Then nope. I had gotten the relationship to the point she was no longer willing to stay and her parents gave the support she needed to not improve.

              More to your point: she is definitely broken. She doesn't have an internal accountability system. She will lie to save face. Its automatic. She doesn't think about it. Then she will keep lying and lying as I apply pressure for the truth until she breaks. it takes a lot of energy to get an admission of truth from her.

              She doesn't have the work ethic to care for the things she has.She gets a dog, but doesn't walk it so she gives it away. She gets a cat, doesn't change the kitty litter, so it pisses on her clothes (which she doesn't put away), so she gives it away. She has a baby, but only breastfeeds for 4 weeks, she gives it to a baby sitter 5 days a week. She doesn't practice numbers or letters with our boy either. She doesn't cook him breakfast (cheerios in a Ziploc bag is not a fucking meal), she doesn't wash or put his clothes away. She has a husband that she doesn't care for. I funded 1200$ in Mary Kay so she could have a side business and she didn't use it. And she was mad I didnt give her more money when she was a SAHW. I gave her a business.

              The house was always wrecked. I worked and then I had to come home to clean and cook my chap food. Every time I addressed it with her she would say I was being abusive. Be being abusive means she doesn't have to change.

              I sometimes think that if I had passed a lot of the early shit tests, especially the ones that occurred after the marriage that things would have been better and sustainable. But my brother reminded me of all the times she has retreated to her parents and how they enable her. So I am put at ease in my decision to file for divorce. It may cost me 35K from my 401k, and maybe even some of my home if I ever sell it, but I haven't been so happy and free in years.

              I'm making a major play for primary custody while she is in school and working- she doesn't have a whole lot of time to parent while working and going to school. Plus I'm in the matrimonial home and that will be more stability for our kid. If I can afford to get my masters that will give me two years of just school where I can argue that I have more time to parent and deserve primary custody. That will save me child support. I'm going to try and limit any spousal support once she graduates college (fall back position 6 mo. after graduation). The courts webpage here says spousal support is typically limited to 4 years.

              She says she would cry in private. I'm not sure I believe her.

              [–]theproudbanana 10 points11 points  (5 children)

              12 black-eye guys posting how they saved mlady?

              [–]bluedrygrass 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Eh, it's not always that simple. Even most big, ripped, mature men are really manginas and only waiting for the opportunity to white knight around.

              [–]sirmadam 6 points7 points  (7 children)

              I was relieved to hear in my military police training that anyone who is aggressive to me (is about to hit me) can have the full force of my baton. My Sergeant even said if a woman wants to fight, then she'll get chinned so hard she won't know where she is. It was enlightening to know we don't have to pussyfoot around drunk female squaddies.

              [–]jmg83 4 points5 points  (4 children)

              Once at a club, my female friend attacked a bouncer because he wouldn't let her back in because of behaviour. This man was in the right given how she was acting, but she started hitting him and cussing at him. He pushed her back and she screamed at him for "starting on a girl" I was disgusted with her. It took me and her boyfriend to drag her away. If this bouncer and knocked her out, I wouldn't have held it against him.

              [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

              "starting on a girl"

              She wasn't doing anything wrong. He started it. Yet another case where her actions don't count, but their reaction counts as a first offense. Face through palm

              [–]jmg83 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              Complete lack of accountability. Even her man shouted at her. Women who act like this are worse than children who cause havoc thinking their age will protect them from any retaliation. I once saw a bus driver stop the bus to punch a teenage boy for throwing snow at him. The kid was genuinely shocked, as though it never even crossed his mind that his behaviour might have consequences. Women say men are childish, and in some ways, perhaps we are, but at least we understand cause and effect.

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                [–]gfhitme 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                My ex hit me once, so I hit her back.

                She hit me once again a year later and I reported her to the police. They said they took all domestic abuse seriously. It went to trial and she was convicted(correct term?) She got off easy though, with only a fine, but could have gotten six months in jail since it wasn't "minor abuse" but "heavy abuse"(can't think of the right word to translate it into).

                She repeatedly said she she could report me too, but she never did.

                [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                She repeatedly said she she could report me too, but she never did.

                Damn you for hurting her fist by not moving your face out of the way...

                [–]SMEGMA_CHEESE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Kudos for you doing that, but I really didn't want to risk her counter-accusing. Also, she would probably kill herself if she ever had any trouble with the law and I'm too empathetic to be ok with that happening.

                [–]colucci 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Doesn't TRP endorse accounting for the differences in genders?

                [–]snakehayter 209 points210 points  (42 children)

                After Lena Dunham got a free pass for molesting her own fucking sister, this doesnt surprise me one bit.

                [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 111 points112 points  (33 children)

                Putting coins in her vagina. Totally okay by feminist standards.

                [–]snakehayter 95 points96 points  (29 children)

                Her only form of hamstering was accusing all "straight white christains" of being closet pedos. Inevitably, all the whiteknights and feminists continue defending her.

                Its amazing how Michael Jackson's molestation charges turned him into a walking punchline for the remainder of his life, while Lena Dunham openly admits to spending years molesting her sister, and now shes considered a hero.

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                  [–]moose_war 47 points48 points  (3 children)

                  I unfortunately read some Women Are So Fucking Great roundtable interview involving Amy Schumer and Lena Dunham yesterday. I'm a masochist. Their solipsism didn't disappoint. Here are some choice quotes

                  DUNHAM When I get comments like, "How did she wind up on the cover of a magazine? She's hideous," I'm like, "I may not have a perfect body, but I do have a really nice face." I'd love to see a hideous woman on the cover of a magazine. It doesn't happen.

                  She thinks this is a "really nice face" for a woman. Jesus, talk about low standards. I notice so many 4s and 5s are very quick to call themselves "pretty" nowadays without a second thought. And her body is a disaster; non-perfect body is a bit of an understatement.

                  Some more:

                  DUNHAM I stopped wearing the nude patch after the first season of Girls. There's not one guy who works on that show who hasn't seen the inside of my vagina.

                  SCHUMER They could draw your ovaries.

                  DUNHAM I used to wear the patch but …

                  ROSS What's the patch?

                  DUNHAM This patch — you glue it over your vagina. It gets sweaty and always falls off. My male co-stars, at the end of the day, don't care.

                  Oh I have a feeling they care. They just want to keep their paychecks rolling in. First off, imagine how utterly terrifying that is. Being that close to this fat ugly slob's hairy vagina? I'd probably start throwing up. Secondly, imagine a fat disgusting male boss "not caring" when his cock sock falls off and his female costar has to deal with that shit? Nice to see the standards don't apply to women who make men uncomfortable with their unnecessary sexual creeeeeeeeeeepiness in the work place.

                  I'll leave you with this bit, which made the whole thing worth skimming through:

                  What's the most overtly sexist thing that's happened to you working in Hollywood?

                  DUNHAM I heard a guy on my show say into his microphone: "I hate this job. I can't wait to be back on a show where there's a man at the helm."

                  SCHUMER I hope you sent [Girls actor-comedian] Colin Quinn home for that. (Laughs.)

                  DUNHAM Colin is actually the world's biggest feminist! Later, that same guy came up to me at lunch and said, "You're really enjoying that buffet, aren't you?"

                  This guy sounds fucking awesome and I'd hire him in a heartbeat. He sounds alpha as fuck.

                  [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

                  Later, that same guy came up to me at lunch and said, "You're really enjoying that buffet, aren't you?"

                  This is incredible. I wish I could've witnessed her outrage. Oh man I hate Lena Dunham. Fuck.

                  [–]thefisherman1961 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  She thinks this is a "really nice face" for a woman.

                  It's incredibly average looking I'd say.

                  [–]AntixD 17 points18 points  (9 children)

                  yeah she's a fucking mess,shit tattoos and everything

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                    [–]AntixD 5 points6 points  (7 children)

                    oh I was referring to Lena Dunham,I don't think Amy has but she has put on weight recently

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                      [–]AntixD 9 points10 points  (4 children)

                      shit tattoos and short hair,her bf actually has value though

                      [–]MHOOD01 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                      Her boyfriend must be into dudes then.

                      [–]thefisherman1961 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                      Keyword- "charges". Michael Jackson always denied doing anything illegal with children and was found not guilty on all those charges in a court of law.

                      That doesn't matter though, because being the King of Pop made Michael Jackson a convenient target for the media and anybody else with an agenda who doesn't like his music. The facts are irrelevant to these people.

                      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                      Huh? That's not how I remember the story? Or were there several instances ;o?

                      One day, as I sat in our driveway in Long Island playing with blocks and buckets, my curiosity got the best of me. Grace was sitting up, babbling and smiling, and I leaned down between her legs and carefully spread open her vagina. She didn’t resist and when I saw what was inside I shrieked.

                      My mother came running. “Mama, Mama! Grace has something in there!”

                      My mother didn’t bother asking why I had opened Grace’s vagina. This was within the spectrum of things I did. She just got on her knees and looked for herself. It quickly became apparent that Grace had stuffed six or seven pebbles in there. My mother removed them patiently while Grace cackled, thrilled that her prank had been a success.

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                        [–]RPthrowaway123 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                        "She was really drunk but she was "seeking consent" from (sober) me so I fucked her anyways"

                        "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE!"

                        I love how feminism constantly trumpets that it wants equality, while creating rules that only apply to women.

                        [–]foldpak111 14 points15 points  (4 children)

                        She's lucky that we live in a matrix because if we lived in the animal kingdom still, i'd be coming for her with extremely violent intentions. You don't touch little kids.

                        [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                        Alas, we live in feminist-dominated 2015 America, where the law (apparently) affords women a pussy pass for even the most heinous and horrific of crimes.

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                          [–]TRPn00b 128 points129 points  (7 children)

                          If I ever get arrested for DUI I'll be sure to tell the judge that I was intoxicated and therefore could not consent to driving a car and I am not responsible for my actions. I'm sure he'll let me right off the hook.

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                            [–]mryddlin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            Ford and Chevy are obvious shitlords after all :)

                            Never looking at cars the same way now haha

                            [–]Sadpanda596 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                            Lawyer here, just pointing out that there is a good reason consent works differently when you're the victim of others vs youre the one doing bad shit (not just talking about sexual assault here, you cant start getting a hammered person to start signing contracts with you, ect.). In the former case the consent law is meant to protect you, in the latter case you're the one fucking up.

                            Its the same deal with criminally charging a 17 year old as an adult vs a 17 year old not being able to sign contracts.

                            Fully agree that the "if shes drunk" its rape stuff is all bullshit. Just pointing out that bad analogies like this undermine our point though.

                            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Ok, so why are drunk people allowed to gamble? They shouldn't be able to consent to gambling with their money and hand it over to the dealer.

                            Same thing with pretty much buying anything while you're drunk. So go back to the bar the morning after and demand your money back that you spent on all those drinks.

                            [–]1PrinceofSpades 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Might work if you're a woman.

                            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            No but really, when did the alcohol = no consent come about?

                            You're fucking still a human when you're drunk. It's still YOU. You're being more honest than when you're sober. So I was drunk while I went into the wrong car, and the Barney Fife cop gave me tampering with a motor vehicle. This should be dropped right, I can't consent to entering a vehicle drunk! Of course if I was a woman, I wouldn't have been cited by the cop at all, let's be real.

                            [–]MyReddit4 46 points47 points  (5 children)

                            Don't buy into any of this or anything like it. I'm convinced that these sort of posts/jokes/stories from fems are part of a means of further distorting the definition of rape.

                            This is "re-definition" bait.

                            You see, if we take the bait and spin it to If the guy was sober and the girl was drunk, it'd be rape or we acknowledge her he was drunk so, I like, totally raped him - either side gives credence the new, rad-fem definition of rape which includes regret-me-nots and consensual vagueness due to intoxication.

                            It's lose/lose. The only way to win is to ignore or reiterate that rape is the violent, sexual penetration of another against their will.

                            [–]DaphneDK 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                            Absolutely. The way to deal with whining feminists is not to buy into their agenda and become whining masculinists. That's the mensrights and relationships reddit way (i.e., https://archive.is/EK9kN) Those guys are always whining about one thing or another. The way to do it is to continue to refuse to acknowledge the new definitions that's always being put up. No the guy was not raped, and she was not a rapist. He called her, invited her to his room, and participated active in the sex act. It wouldn't have been rape if the roles had been reversed either. It would have been rape if she had found him blackout drunk lying on a bench somewhere, and had sex with him. But not sure that's even possible.

                            [–]aphelion3342 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            Of course. The guy isn't doing this to call Amy Schumer a rapist, he's doing it to draw attention to the inconsistencies of the feminist definition of rape, to hoist them by their own petard so to speak.

                            [–]UGoBoom 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            This. What most people think is rape isn't really.

                            Think of that Pulp Fiction scene, that's what actual rape is like. The sex is only a byproduct of the main factor: non-consensual domination and humiliation.

                            Drunken sex isn't rape at all, and good-intentioned people like OP forget that. Even though its a dude being "raped" doesn't change that fact.

                            [–][deleted] 104 points105 points  (2 children)

                            I don't even know where to start... The shit they pull is insane, almost to the point where it disgusts me. Fuck man, scientists better get the spaceships to Mars up and running soon, these asshats feminists make me wanna skip to outer space. Thank god I found TRP.

                            [–]1Mikesapien 25 points26 points  (0 children)

                            The Red Planet

                            [–]bluedrygrass 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            They would chase us. Females cannot exist in an all female society. Leeches needs someone to aspire blood.

                            [–]moose_war 52 points53 points  (2 children)

                            it's funny when women do it! just like it's funny when a woman cuts off a guy's dick! you gooo grrrrrrl

                            [–]foldpak111 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                            That's like if I cut off a woman's clit and a male talk show started hooting and hollering about how hilarious it is, we'd all get assassinated. I like seeing this stuff though, it reminds me that women are vile creatures that should be treated as such.

                            [–]Bonlocan 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                            Not surprising in the least. Earlier in the year there was an episode of Broad City in which one of the main characters is having sex with a guy and he passes out from the heat of the apartment. When she realizes that he's out she thinks for a moment and decides to continue despite his being unconscious. Later in the episode, the two girls are hanging out in a college dorm and one of them makes out with one a boy there who ends up being underage. The next day I was curious if there was going to be any outrage about what would undoubtedly be declared a rape and sexual assault of a minor were the genders reversed and found that not only was no one upset, but there was actually an article on The Slate titled "There was a rape on Broad City last night, and it was hilarious." Of course I'm not suggesting that the rape depicted needed to be outraged against (the man in the show when told what happened said he didn't mind), but the fact that if the genders were reversed the would've been a huge outcry really got me to realize the hypocrisy of how we view rape as a society. Seriously, just imagine a show in which a guy continues to have sex with a girl after she passes out and she tells him the next day that she was ok with what happened and that it's not a big deal- I think you can imagine the Jezebel headlines yourself.

                            [–]1PrinceofSpades 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            I'm starting to believe the solution is to just make shows have episodes like that anyway and tell people to deal; shame we've gone too far in the opposite direction to point out the irony.

                            [–]reddedo 16 points17 points  (1 child)

                            Is anybody surprised another feminist ideal is inconsistent with itself?

                            no, because they will happily twist everything to fit their narrative

                            and also, you forgot: men are always the criminals, women can never be the bad person

                            [–]sanctionedmisanthrop 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                            Proud, strong wymyn can do no wrong. Listen and believe.

                            [–]1spicy_fries 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                            Essentially, it's men and cultures fault that female on male rape isn't handled seriously.

                            I'm sorry.. but did you just suggest that its men's fault for being raped? That sounds a LOT like victim shaming/blaming. Isn't that expressly something feminists are against?? Its like saying "its the womans fault for getting raped because she didn't cover herself up". It is a highly sexist statement.

                            Lol! That's some gold right there!

                            The hamster wheel only spins in one direction.

                            [–]just_noob_things 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                            One such frontier has been deciding that drunk sex is rape- or to clarify, somebody who is intoxicated cannot give consent

                            that's been true for a while. if you're drunk to the point of being incoherent/passed out, consent isn't possible.

                            Now, putting aside the fact that this opens the door for two drunk people to simultaneously rape each other consensually,

                            this always gets a rise; usually, the responses i get are that the initiator (assumed to be the guy) is a rapist and the girl an innocent victim.

                            some even go so far to argue that she didn't enjoy it so he probably raped her

                            that's a new one. does that mean my ex who did starfish sex is a rapist?

                            [–]deadlee_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                            Well apparently it's hilarious when women beat the shit out of you, so this isn't much of a surprise.

                            [–]IronMeltsinmyHands 23 points24 points  (7 children)

                            this is just.... its like the old wrinkled bats in the villages who like to hate on men. The only way to take care of this is to see it as a gigantic shit test and win it.

                            You don't win it by talking, you don't win it by playing cards with these cunts. You don't win this game by giving women a voice, or a platform for independence.

                            The only reason women gather together now is because we've shifted from a culture based around family, to a culture based around the individual.

                            This is a giant shit test, where only beta men think they can pass if they give women more power.

                            Stop! You don't give a woman a sword. First of all, she doesn't even know how to hold a sword. She'll end up harming herself. Secondly, do you know the weight of that sword? [If you've never held a sword in your hand, ITS FUCKING HEAVY!] You give her that, she's gonna bitch and whine saying "YOU ASSHOLES MADE IT TOO HEAVY! I DEMAND MY FEELINGS BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND I BE GIVEN MY OWN POSSE OF BETA MALE SLAVES TO LIFT IT FOR ME!"

                            Giving women rights, is a good thing. But listening to their imagined slights, and delusions of patriarchy and how rape is a crime of power, and the new nonsense about consent, is useless, fruitless, and senseless.

                            Stop. Just stop. Learn how to pass shit tests. As a man, I say this to you. Learn to put your bitch in line.

                            Control your bitches.

                            [–]-Quotidian 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                            Everyone seems to have forgotten Laws 5, 9, and 15. People who know you shouldn't believe for an instant that you're guilty, as Law 5 implies, but Laws 9 and 15 are the ones I want to focus on: win through your actions, never your argument and crush your enemy completely.

                            [–]Kynandra 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                            Feminism is such utter bullshit. Actually no,bullshit is at least useful for something.

                            [–]snobocracy 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                            She did not have sex with him. At most she froze and let him have sex with her. If she was in full possession of her faculties I would say she had raped him, but what she describes of herself are things that rape victims feel.

                            Holy fuck... It is 100% about the feeeeeeeeeeeelings!!!

                            [–]mryddlin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                            Wow, went through the livw thread.

                            The people supporting her are being down voted much stronger than I expected.

                            I honestly think the trend is starting to go the other way.

                            [–]skipaBturner 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                            Where does she admit that she raped him??

                            I read the article. IMO there is no rape in this story, from either side. The guy invites here over, is absolutely 'plastered', tries to knob her, too drunk to do it properly, but because she was already infactuated with him she let it it happen.

                            How can feminists say he raped her. She went to his house, she gave her consent. She said she wanted to have sex with him.. he couldn't even hold himself up, let alone force sex onto someone.

                            How is she raping him. Even though he is intoxicated, she explains that he kept trying to knob her without success, at one point going down on her. Let alone he invited her over at 8am.

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                              [–]skipaBturner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Yes, but when i read her transcript, it sounded like she just told it how it was. I don't think she was twisting her words to negatively portray the dude. She didn't know that he wanted sex at 8am,fair enough, but even though he was drunk and was advancing on her, she let it happen cos she wanted frothed this guy (as she said). I didn't think she was portraying herself as a victim. She said she cried a few times, but only because of how unappealing this experience she dreamed of turned out to be, not because she was being victimised by the dude. I can't find anywhere where she portrays herself as being unfairly treated or taken advantage of that would position herself as a victim.

                              Feminists who say the guy raped her are dumb

                              Basically i was just disappointed when i read the article and found out she didn't say she raped a dude... that woulda been a hell of a story

                              [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (33 children)

                              She is so motherfucking ugly, jesus.

                              Looks like fetal alcohol syndrome, with that non-existent upper lip.

                              [–]jmg83 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                              I wouldn't ordinarily attack a woman's looks, but Schumer looks like a thumb. Her attitude only serves to make her seems worse.

                              [–]jewishclaw 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                              that is simultaneously the most vague and precise analogy i have every heard. jesus christ i'm dying here.

                              [–]muddynips 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                              You can tell just by reading her speech. She's a woman who's a 4, who thinks she's a 7, who is mad at the world because she's not a 10.

                              "I say if I'm beautiful" I mean sure, if we're changing the definition of beauty to mean confidence. You can think of yourself however you want, but it doesn't change your bone structure or remove ovarian cysts.

                              [–]tompanz 14 points15 points  (15 children)

                              Eeeeh, she's a 6 dressed up. I've seen far worse.

                              [–]hebola4lyfe 9 points10 points  (3 children)

                              You consider that a 6 ?!

                              Jesus fucking christ man are we really this desperate ?

                              [–]1PrinceofSpades 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                              And people wonder why beauty standards are decreasing, and why those unshaven and ungroomed women walk around saying things like "I know I'm a catch."

                              This is why yes/no or bar systems (where the bars are the last and the hottest person you've had sex with) make for much better rating systems then the number game, and also keep it more personal which in turn keeps it more honest. A no is a no.

                              [–]Tainted_OneX 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                              4-5 dressed up. That face is fucked.

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                              Gotta be fucking kidding me. I know every guy has his own tastes, but I've seen piles of dogshit that look better than this creature.

                              [–]FrameWalker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Its just high bf. I wish she would lose weight and the writers could spend a season making fun of girls who are fat and can't change

                              [–]sbdragonfruit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              Her tits ain't bad though. Still, evil cunt.

                              [–]markfeel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              Reading that thread...god damn... makes me want to blow my fucking brains out seeing the insane amounts of vacuous hamstering they use attempting to justify their ridiculous ideas.

                              [–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              Reading this stuff, it's not so difficult to understand. Women - feminists especially, cannot conceive their gender as aggressors. To do so would violate their self-conception as the victim which is, in essence, their basic survival strategy.

                              It's like Rollo says, in our society that's adopted the feminine reality, the female imperative to be realized, must sacrifice the male. Women like Schumer are indeed rapists to the rational mind. However our reality is a feminine one, thus she can never be an aggressor, and can only be a victim.

                              Posing the question of what would happen if the roles were reversed to a feminist, is an exercise in futility. This is because in their reality anyone who is not a victim, must be an aggressor. And because all women are victims, it follows that all men are aggressors. Thus, if the roles were reversed, a man would always, and undoubtedly be a rapist.

                              Stories like this are useful because they remind us to be vigilant. To be in control of yourself and to be wary of those things that you don't. Remember society is not going to help you. You've got to help yourself.

                              [–]Betterthanuatlife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              Feminism = Female psychopathy

                              [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              "Equality" is the sell to make feminism seem acceptable to men.

                              The reality is that the vast majority of women are deeply sexist and apply "equality" only to themselves.

                              [–]1mojo_juju 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              I love this comment, which is sourced from:

                              https://dontmarry.wordpress.com/

                              "Every woman in Canada is a victim of rape every day. They can’t board a bus, get in a car, pick up a book (like that’s going to happen), or browse the internet without getting bent over the sink by a ravenous white male lurking behind them. The true rape rate is 10,000% – South Africa has nothing on the Canuck. Russian occupation of Berlin circa 1945? Mongol or Viking invasions? Pikers.

                              "The ancient world has nothing compared to Toronto today. Why you can’t walk down the street without tripping over two or three rapes in progress. It often makes me miss my bus as being an evil white man I can’t resist watching the foul proceedings. White men just can’t resist ugly, man jawed, morbidly obese, smelly, hairy, mustache thick land whales who trundle around in mobility scooters. Its true – raping them can be a chore as it is often times difficult to find the correct fold in which to ‘insert the patriarchy’ but somehow it is managed."

                              "So the next time you visit Toronto be sure to shed a tear for the billions of daily rape victims you are constantly seeing bellyaching about all the forms of oppression they endure as they sip their overpriced milkshakes in Starbucks. No one has ever had it worse than them."

                              [–]abcd_z 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              The stupid comments in the AskFeminists thread were heavily downvoted, so don't assume that everybody (or even anybody) on that subreddit agreed with the comments made there.

                              It would be like somebody claiming that TRP is misogynistic because a comment with large amounts of negative karma advocated beating women.

                              [–]ramot1 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                              I cleaned this up for even moderate language. From elsewhere on Reddit: Not my writing, but i forgot where on Reddit I found it: Maybe TRP.

                              I just wanted share my take on things:

                              Women,

                              I want you all to understand and remember the following:

                              Almost every single brick in every single building you have ever occupied was put there by a man. Almost every inch of road you have ever traveled on was put there by a man. Almost every watt of electricity you have ever used was carried by a system, almost every inch of which, was put there by a man. Almost every bullet fired (or suffered) to protect your safety and freedom was fired (or suffered) by a man.

                              The list goes on and on, and the point is that almost all of the most fundamental stuff you depend on was put there by a man.

                              Now I am not some kind of misogynist, and most men aren't either. I don't want to keep women "in the kitchen" or any other such retarded ideas, and most men don't either. So stop acting like we do.

                              There is, however, a natural order to things. Men end up doing the vast majority of these lousy difficult things because it must be done. Usually women are nowhere to be found when it's time to pour 3 miles of fresh asphalt. And I don't blame women for this - asphalt is nasty stuff. Of course, paving roads is just one of many examples, and the point here is to recognize that you owe men a debt of gratitude and recognition for certain things. You don't need to bow down and kiss our feet or anything. Just recognize that we take care of a lot of the worst stuff for you, in general. That's all. Not a big deal.

                              The OP's article indicates that women are not getting the idea discussed by the original author in the first part of my post. And I conclude they never will.

                              Edit: After having read the article, I can really decide who, if anyone, was at fault, if fault exists. Both made really bad decisions, but Amy leaving seems like the best decision out of many that led to this failure.

                              [–]newls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Well said. Men so often sacrifice and toil because they love their women. Only the most self-aware women even realise this.

                              [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                              You guys are completely missing the point. For millions of years, men – the patriarchy – have defined what the sexual norms are and what is and what kinds of sexual acts are and are not acceptable in society. And that meant beating and raping women at will, because all men are sex-crazed perverted oppressors.

                              This B-rate female comedian (who would be a billionaire if society hadn’t conditioned us to prefer male comedians, yet she bravely struggles in a male-dominated world) was raped.

                              She got a booty call communication from a drunk guy friend in college, showed up to his room in response to that booty call communication, and he reeked of alcohol and was clearly wasted. How offensive is that? He couldn’t even try to fuck her sober and cleaned up? He tried to initiate sex and pull her toward the bed. He didn’t force her or overpower her, but he definitely initiated. He was the aggressor! She just went along with it.

                              He did everything to her, except for the parts where he was flaccid due to his intoxication and the parts where he passed out entirely and she kept performing sexual acts on his passed out body anyway. But that’s because she froze up and panicked and was afraid of what might happen. You don’t understand what it’s like to be a woman and how afraid they are of all men all the time. Unconscious men are the worst. They could wake up at any time, refreshed from their rest, and beat and rape you harder than a non-rested man.

                              After the booty-call sex that she responded to, she felt kind of used, like a fuck-doll. She didn’t enjoy the sex and felt bad about the sex.

                              Feeling bad about the sex is something rape victims also experience.

                              If she felt like a rape victim, then that means she was one.

                              This woman was raped, and you shithead rape apologist man-children who are being critical of her are what’s wrong with the world. Your time is over. The patriarchy doesn’t define sex any more. Sex-positive feminists define the encounter and what it was. After the fact. Based on how they feel about it.

                              I had this friend back in college who was raped. She has the e-mails to prove it. She was dating this guy and told him she didn’t want to have sex unless they were going to get married. He promised to marry her. In writing! He broke up with her six months later after she cheated on him during spring break, and she came to me in tears. He promised he would marry her and broke that promise. She consented to sex based on that promise, and he deceived her. I can’t wait until rape-by-deception laws are passed so we can stop atrocities like this.

                              [–]Cannon1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              This world is so fucked up anymore I can't tell sincerity from sarcasm.

                              [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              If anyone cares, here's a deconstruction of "feminist" (aka hamster) logic. Recall that they're not looking for the truth, they're looking for any reason to feel good about their existing ideas:

                              There's a lot of sweeping statements about feminism in your question which aren't true at all: that feminists secretly want a war on men, that feminists applaud the rape of men, and so on.

                              Irrelevant point meant to weaken OP's argument. OP never actually suggested these were true, only that if they weren't true then Schumer's behaviour is incongruent with her beliefs.

                              Your post strikes me more as a rant than an actual question.

                              Translate: You have ulterior motives, so I can dismiss you and not your argument.

                              Regarding Amy Schumer: she is a comedian who, while talented, frequently makes problematic jokes about sex, race, gender, and so on. She is not some kind of feminist messiah.

                              She's No True Scotsman. It's a way to dismiss any behaviour on the part of feminists that paints them in a bad light.

                              From what I can tell from the (poorly cited) article you linked,

                              Translate: I'm going to say I don't believe your article is true, so I don't have to address your argument

                              she's not making any claims that this encounter was empowering or egalitarian in nature.

                              Translate: I'm going to deny a very obvious fact, as that lets me avoid addressing your argument. (Note at the end of the article Schumer says: "Now I feel strong and beautiful". It's clearly a self-empowerment speech)

                              But even if she had, she doesn't speak for all feminists.

                              Shifting goalposts.

                              In my opinion, if the consent was as murky in this case as the article* makes it sound, no true feminist should be praising her.

                              Only honest bit in her diatribe.

                              Nor have I actually seen any doing so.

                              Except, you know, Schumer herself. She's a public feminist figure with a decently large following. But really, no one was praising her...except a large national newspaper. But if she hasn't seen it, that means it doesn't exist, so she won't go looking for it.

                              It should be noted that anyone can post to Thought Catalog and it shouldn't be relied upon as unbiased or an authority, despite the pretty website.

                              Translate: Attack the source, so I don't have to address the argument.

                              When we say that women are mentally inferior, this is why. She is completely incapable of addressing the argument but feels this is a good, "logical" response to a difficult question.

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                              [–]screamingATtrees 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Women hate women.

                              If men truly hated women we would not get so angry when we learn that we have been lied too.

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                              [–]Shankar_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Hamster's spinnin' on overdrive.

                              [–]Techngro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              That article was actually just sad. I kinda like Amy Schumer, but...sad.

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              This is pathetic.

                              Okay, imagine for a second, genders reversed, and this were a rendition. The scene in a movie, portrayed as a mortified woman, who's had her dignity shamefully trampled upon by some ignorant and seemingly stupid drunk.

                              Oh but wait, it's not, in fact it's spun like in a comedic, self liberating way, that feminists can happily cherry pick as victimisation and misunderstanding so that society excuses Amy Schumer, in line with decorum.

                              Where's the so called 'equality' in that? It's bullshit hypocrisy.

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Can I just love say that I love the guy who asked the question on the AskFeminists link?

                              I'm sorry.. but did you just suggest that its men's fault for being raped?
                              That sounds a LOT like victim shaming/blaming. Isn't that expressly something feminists are against??

                              Instead of attacking the website or the person, care to address the concerns and points being raised?
                              If Adolf Hitler says 2 + 2 = 4, it doesn't make him wrong because he is adolf hitler. the person making a point is irrelevant to the truth or rational value of the point being made.

                              If you are unable to make your point without being calm, then perhaps your point is not worth making or listening to.

                              Why aren't feminists calling for that womans head? I mean... they called for the head of a guy wearing the wrong shirt on tv, is this issue less important?

                              [–]dandar4600 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              The answer, of course, is never be alone with a woman. They represent a legal liability in any and every scenario.

                              There is a head engineer where I work that lives by that motto. He will never allow himself to be alone with one of the females. When he was leaving the office and I was staying (different department) he was joking saying "Oh, you can stay. All females are gone for the day." It's sad that it's coming down to that. I work for a small private company so almost no HR. I can just imagine how bad it must be at bigger places where one female complaint will get you canned no questions asked.

                              [–]thefisherman1961 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              One such frontier has been deciding that drunk sex is rape- or to clarify, somebody who is intoxicated cannot give consent, therefore having sex with somebody intoxicated is rape.

                              Also depends entirely on your definition of "intoxicated". Suppose I am with an alcoholic chick who can drink half a fifth of vodka and not feel anything. She is legally intoxicated, but I can't tell the difference as she seems sober to me. We consent to having sex. That means I raped her, despite the fact that we consented.

                              Aside from that, at what magical threshold does somebody cross from being sober enough to consent and too intoxicated to consent? Suppose it's 0.08. If she's 0.07, we're good, but if she's 0.08 that means I raped her. Having sex with a girl with a difference of 0.01 BAC is the difference between having consensual sex, and being accused of rape and getting sent to jail to be raped for decades (ironically). Do I need to start breathalizing every girl I sleep with before having sex?

                              What if she's intoxicated on something else besides alcohol? Why should I be expected to know that? According to feminist logic, shouldn't I be able to retroactively revoke consent because she mislead me into believing that she was sober enough to consent when she wasn't, meaning she is also rapist?

                              There are way too many holes that can be poked in that argument. You're responsible for your own actions, being intoxicated doesn't give you a pass. If you give consent while intoxicated, no matter how intoxicated, then later regret it once you sober up, that's your problem. Regretting sex you consented to does not make it rape.

                              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                              The realistic advice is to secretly film any and all sexual encounters with women. It's the only sane way to play in a world where a woman's word is enough to get you sent to prison for decades.

                              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              I fucking hate Amy Schumer. All her jokes can be summed up as "I'm such an unattractive slut! My vagina!" Now everyone's on her dick because she's trying to do this feminist shit on her show, the show called "Inside Amy Schumer", which I'm sure is another reference to her pussy.

                              Goddamn I hate her fucking face.

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Latest episode of her show has a lengthy sketch about society giving Cosby a pass on his "rapes." Frankly, I don't care about his rapes or her rapes, but there may be something wrong with me.

                              [–]NidStyles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              I swear, it's like these bitches have had their brains plunged out of their heads from all of the blowjobs...

                              [–]CptFizz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Nobody here should be surprised. You can't expect reason from ideologs. It's like discussing Judasim with anti-semites. They'll twist and turn every fact until it fits their ideology.

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                              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              I'm subscribed here so that I can see different perspectives on most topics regarding women, even if they are usually with generalizations and other fallacies, but this one actually brings up a good point.

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