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Red Pill TheoryRemember, you're good enough, smart enough, and doggone it, people like you! (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Modredpillschool

Just remember, you don't have to prove anything to anybody. Failure is only as bad as you decide it will be. Nobody can tell you how to live life. Only you can decide what is good. You do you.

Just because you don't exercise or you're not looking your best, doesn't mean you have to feel bad about yourself. There's somebody out there for everybody! You just gotta wait for the right time, and the right person will come along.

Trust me, those girls giving you a pass today, they'll realize they've made a mistake 10 years down the road. Then who's laughing? You are, you big silly manlet! You showed them!

There's simply no objective truth to be found. Everybody's different. Everybody has something that works for them, don't change just because some assholes on the internet tell you that's the only way to get respect and women. Stay exactly who you are. You're good enough just the way you are. Accepting the status quo isn't shameful.

Women can't be generalized either, remember that. Every woman is completely unique and they all have different tastes and preferences. There's a woman out there looking for someone just like you. Never change who you are for somebody else.

You're good enough, smart enough, and doggone it, people like you!

No, not really. Useless feel-good platitudes are against the rules.

Learn them.


[–]3whatsthisgarg 271 points272 points  (79 children)

This is exactly what I thought when I saw that You're MORE than good enough post, which was ridiculously upvoted.

Every time some jerk writes You're the Prize! I laugh. Less than 10% of men qualify for that. The most basic understanding of statistics . . . you get my point.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 108 points109 points  (61 children)

That's the exact post that triggered me posting this. And removing that.

I guess red pill guys can get triggered.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 30 points31 points  (57 children)

That's the exact post that triggered me posting this. And removing that.

Oh, I get it: guys, put your posts up over the weekend so they last longer. Maybe I should edit that out.

The fact that was so well-loved just shows you, well, it shows you something.

The whole You're the prize idea is so counter to the central RP principle of sperm being cheap and men being replaceable. These aren't advanced lessons - dudes should be learning this first thing.

There is some irony in this, though, because another RP principle is Women need men more than men need women. How do you get around this? By thinking about it over a scale of years.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 57 points58 points  (54 children)

The problem is blurring the distinction between useful advice and lying to yourself for an effect.

Nobody is the prize, it's practically useless info.

But believing you're awesome is a good way to "fake it till you make it."

The problem is when the people giving the advice become so many steps removed from the mechanism they're trying to emulate that the advice becomes useless platitudes.

[–]itooktrp 28 points29 points  (51 children)

The problem is blurring the distinction between useful advice and lying to yourself for an effect.

I'd like to have a go at defending the "I'm the prize" mindset, as follows:-

My position is that "I'm the prize" can be consciously adopted as a belief for better seduction outcomes. It may initially be a lie or not, depending on the individual male in question.

  1. Everyone has a self image of some kind, we carry it with us into our interactions. When new to game a man may have low self esteem, and beliefs like "oh my god she's so gorgeous she'd never want me only rich/buff/cool guys get to sleep with her". These beliefs are lies, and they are unconscious. So it may be advisable to make a conscious effort to replace those beliefs with more productive ones. A male can use conscious lies to replace unconscious lies, until the truth catches up to the self-made hype.

  2. Men are better than women. Is there any man reading this who would prefer to be female? I believe that my life is improving, where a female at my age is suffering a distinct and 'objective' drop in SMV each year, per CH.

  3. I'm the prize, precisely because I believe that I am the prize...women DO value behaviours more than objective or scientifically measurable factors. When I am acting like a high value person, she gets the tingles, and I can make her lose attraction by acting in the equivalent opposite way.

    My real beliefs have a real effect on my real behaviour, which means I really get better reproduction outcomes in the real world with real women.

    An example: when my boundaries are violated, I turn into a narcissistic asshole and make it wildly clear that I won't accept such behaviour. 'She' is hardwired to see this as an 'Alpha' behaviour and verbally complains but gets the tingles all the same. Hot sex ensues. She does not recognize that the argument at lunch time lead to the hot sex at 9pm, but I do. *This is an example from my own life.

  4. The truth can be created. Especially if your target is female and hasn't spent a great deal of time thinking deeply about objective reality.

    Powerful people create truth every day, dark triad people are effective at creating a desired truth in their victims.

    A political example is the 'Axis of Evil' which was created by the US president and was dropped when no longer expedient. Iran Iraq and N. Korea could hardly be described as a tight alliance but POTUS can do things like that due to having sufficient power.

    Other examples of lies that make civilization possible and shape our daily lives are: fiat currency, national boundaries, democracy, freedom, sexual equality. I don't wish to labour the point.

  5. It's only a lie until it isn't.

    Let's assume that the mindset "i'm the prize" was picked up in either TRP or dating/game advice somewhere else on the internet. A percentage of males make no further changes in their lives and remain chode forever. The rest of the men go out and learn game externally, while they concurrently go home and improve their fitness and career. Those men get the sexual life that they desire and refuse to tolerate crap from women for ever after, thus becoming 'The Prize'.

In summary: replacing the lie "she is the prize" with the lie "I am the prize" is in some cases effective, self fulfilling, and as valid as any other belief in the sexual market place.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 20 points21 points  (48 children)

Notice, the entire theme here is 'makes me feel good'

Theres nothing objectively better about any of this.

And guess what some asshole who just wants a pity party is gonna do? He's gonna revel in this, and become increasingly bitter that no one else agrees.

Remember, a praxeology is never about whats true, it's about whats useful. And for the guy who has this message resonate with him, an inflated ego is not useful. humble confidence is useful, since that guy still goes to the gym

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (9 children)

Women = feelz, Men = Real. Women = emotional, Men = rational. It really is that simple

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Dude. It's weird.

At 21 conference right now. I can see at a glance. Some guys are catching on, some are deluding themselves. Exactly like you're talking about

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I see the same thing with my employees. Some of them get 10 years of experience, others get 1 year of experience, 10 times.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

How crowded is it? If I attended, could I easily be "John from Boston" and never be exposed as far as real identity?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Oh yea. They aren't doing a lot of 'in crowd' social media. My guess is that Rollo and Anthony are collaborating for something like masterclass.com, but I'm just guessing here.

I've only had 15 seconds to talk to him, every time he moves, 15 guys swarm and orbit him. I swear to god, he knows what its like to have fake tits now.

I will say, the size is smaller than you'd think, maybe 100 people a day, but the crowds change from day to day, it has a cozier feel to it, not like some fucking security conference, or corporate TED talk.

Anonymity is easy enough. Most guys I've talked to just have their Reddit handles, I don't know their names. Never asked, they never offered.

I don't think you'd get as much value as some of the younger guys here though. Joe Navarro was pretty cool with his body language interrogation talk, Rollo's talks were the stuff you probably know already. Steve McQueen would have been right up your alley. If I didn't know any better, I'd say that he's 'john from boston', and you'd definitely get just as much value partying with him in the evenings as you would listening to him talk about online business and entrepenureship. Goldmund is entertaining as shit, and Ivan reminded me a lot of an old user here, ultmatecad. Something about being a 6'4 dude with a hearing aid and a dog at the bar is catnip for chicks. And because of his disability, he automatically gets everyone sucked into his frame, they have to, because if you're outside his direct vision, making straight eye contact, he just won't hear you or know you're there. I may post on causing hearing damage as game. Best trained dog I've ever met.

If you're a suit guy, Tanner is coming up in 15, I'm looking forward to that one.

The only thing I'm not (and you wouldn't) a fan of is there underlying need for a few speakers to be heard. Has a 'testicular cancer' feel to it. I made it a point when speaking to tell the guys that 'no one cares about your problems', but it didn't resonate enough.

the one funny thing though? Guys here are 25 and under, or 45 and older. Other than the speakers, almost no one is in their 30s, not sure what to make of it. the older guys definitely have more game than the younger guys do, on average.

Would I pay the full retail for the event? I dunno. Definitely worth the 50% cost if booked early. Other than rollo, everyone is just so damned accessable. Guys would go down to the hotel resto, and literally see 12 of the speakers having dinner together, come join, have a great talk with all of them.

Little TMI, but it's been fun. Plus,the natural dread for the ol lady back home is funny. I constantly get 'pictures' and pictures of her, surrounded by everyone I love back home.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 2 points3 points  (37 children)

Notice, the entire theme here is 'makes me feel good'

Theres nothing objectively better about any of this.

Well, you knocked that out of the park, with simplicity and elegance. Better than this guy's pompous, old-fashioned "list-as-proof."

And guess what some asshole who just wants a pity party is gonna do? He's gonna revel in this, and become increasingly bitter that no one else agrees.

I'm just going to reiterate my statistical claim that less than 10% of men are in the top 10%. Irrefutable.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 7 points8 points  (36 children)

It's so weird though. There's no physical obstruction. It's self-sabotage, learned helplessness, or plain old fashioned laziness.

The bar for entry is so low, it often baffles me how many guys refuse to crawl over it. By all metrics, I should be a straight up 50% guy. 30% of men literally got out of my way, and pushed me up to the top 20.

All because of the need to feel special

[–]CQC3 9 points10 points  (34 children)

I've never related to the you are the prize mentality. You are the prize is the equivalent for low value males as "you are beautiful as you are" for fat women. It seeks to provide antithetical feelings to remedy the ails you feel from the root problem.

If you are looked over and possess little to no social or career value, then you naturally feel shitty as a result. There's nothing dysfunctional about that. Most people are fairly aware if even subconsciously about their standing in hierarchies, but when you attempt to trick yourself instead of compete then all sorts of these problems arise.

Entitlement is a two way street, people tend to believe that feeling entitled is only positive in that you believe you are owed something by virtue of who you are, but the opposite is true as well. Negative entitlement has you feeling as if you are being oppressed by virtue of who you are. If you are feeling badly and have a thought that the universe is against you, that is ego.

99.99 percent of people will never truly trick themselves into believing they ARE the prize when EVERYTHING points to the contrary. What they need to learn and understand is WHERE they are and why they are there, and then make the efforts to improve. The act itself is what inspires positive feeling which inspires self love/respect and confidence. Our self esteem tends to be lowest because secretly we know we are not matching even our own standards of what we wish to be.

It is difficult but as simple as accepting your own mediocrity while also sincerely trying to improve. The sincerity of effort will bring about a fear of failure because you're actually trying now, and if you fail it's actually because you weren't good enough--no excuses. This will inspire a deep fear in most people in which they worry anxiously of failing at something they tried their best at and will question if they have the strength to get back up after that. Having this realization shows you the illusion is brought on by no one but you and you willfully indulge in it.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Ypure talking about approaching your MAP will humility, and its a good way to do it.

Advice I was given, when I first joined my first ship in the navy.... Act like you know what youre doing, people will believe you.

Assuming any competence, the least amount of effort, and willingness to move if you're in an ideal Place, there's no reason one can't have enough success to live without starving in the street.

And at that point, women who just want sex won't care if youre a titan of industry.

They want a guy whose hawt, and confident, with a little bit of an edge.

Thats where the prize comes into play.

[–]TrueFacets 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Someone give this guy a medal, that is 100% exactly how I experienced / still am experiencing my Red Pilling.

Once you start to REALLY work on your mission and yourself, procrastination and "wasting your time", are gone surprisingly fast. And it doesn't even feel that bad. You actually feel good after a day where you didn't fuck up.

However the real fear of real fail emerges and it is easy to slip back into the old comfy zone.

[–]MaximumRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You seem to know this shit and I feel like reading your comment is like reading my own description. I need results not feel good bullshit. Yeah, "I'm the prize" and? My social circle is nonexistent, my career is dead on arrival and my dick would have cobwebs if masturbation wasn't a thing.

The last thing I want is the feel good bullshit that "I'm a man/redpiller therefore I can do this". I'm 100% better off with knowing how the fuck do I get up and improve myself to the point of seeing results than spouting daily mantras in front of a mirror. For all that I know it might be too late for me - and that's not me being overly dramatic but a genuine chance that it's true.

And this part is severely underestimated:

It is difficult but as simple as accepting your own mediocrity while also sincerely trying to improve. The sincerity of effort will bring about a fear of failure because you're actually trying now, and if you fail it's actually because you weren't good enough--no excuses. This will inspire a deep fear in most people in which they worry anxiously of failing at something they tried their best at and will question if they have the strength to get back up after that. Having this realization shows you the illusion is brought on by no one but you and you willfully indulge in it.

I'm close to finishing "Gorilla mindset" but skimmed through the next book "your own worst enemy" where the author talks about those who for one reason or another didn't put enough effort. Maybe they went full "I'm not a sheeple part of the system" mode and cut themselves some slack playing video games and getting high instead of working on their future, maybe they were reacting to their godawful parents. But for whatever reason they ended up doing this, the result was becoming a loser. And there's lots of overlapping between "career loser" and "sexual loser".

The new guys who stick in this sub are obviously sexual losers coming here to slowly become something less than a loser. But I feel like there's a genuine interest in becoming less of a loser in general. And this need won't be satiated by feel good messages but by actionable advice.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ypure talking about approaching your MAP will humility, and its a good way to do it.

Advice I was given, when I first joined my first ship in the navy.... Act like you know what youre doing, people will believe you.

Assuming any competence, the least amount of effort, and willingness to move if you're in an ideal Place, there's no reason one can't have enough success to live without starving in the street.

And at that point, women who just want sex won't care if youre a titan of industry.

They want a guy whose hawt, and confident, with a little bit of an edge.

Thats where the prize comes into play.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I needed this. I bought a fucking airplane to acheive some goals, met this real cool chick and damnit shit started feeling pretty good! But it was all bullshit--I aint where I want to be, and that chick will be getting dick elswhere in a matter of time. Once again, fuck my feelz, do work. Tired as fuck, and just failed at my day one of quitting smoking. Time to hit the gym. Fuck gaming bitches tonight...im reading and goin to bed. Tomorrow is a new battleground. Thanks for this one bud.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's so weird though. There's no physical obstruction. It's self-sabotage, learned helplessness, or plain old fashioned laziness.

It IS weird. It's like these last two generations were given the message that simple competence is to be avoided. I get it how aggression is out, but then it slides to assertive is negative, and now competence because that's too in-your-face or something.

Well, it's good news to us.

[–]moonlandings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think part of it is that people read the rules of Pook and don't understand that becoming the prize takes work, time and effort. Is hard to internalize the attitude and not come off like you're spouting useless platitudes.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Being the prize is the prize.

Behold the power of the META-PRIZE!

[–]RedPill_Swinger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

would you be comfortable with having just sex with a woman? Would she? The answer lies in these two basic questions

[–]lopsidedlucky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh hell yes this was refreshing.

[–]_ManGuy_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Red pill wont truly thrive with the dogmatism behind the sub. The "You're more TGE" post gave me some good vibes, not vibes that lead to getting cucked and stepped on but vibes that leads to taking action and pure internal confidence. Self esteem is just as good for the TRP man. No sense in applying RP tenets when you can't even believe in yourself.

That being said I'm infuriated that post was taken down. Good luck with being pompous ass pretentious dictators on a fucking reddit sub.

[–]Silent-Stoic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thing is men in Western societies have been conditioned to seek validation outside themselves from grade school. Living and performing based on someone else's random metric like a rat instead of formulating their own. A single TRP post will do little to discourage this destructively, emasculating, thought-->behavioral process.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (6 children)

I think you guys missed the point of that other post. I interpreted it as “You’re better than HER”. Which is the same message Patrice O’Neil had in several podcasts.

Would rather see the bragging posts get deleted but do whatever you want this is your sub.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I think you guys missed the point of that other post. I interpreted it as “You’re better than HER”.

It was more like see a woman and don't think you're not good enough, but think You're MORE than good enough and approach her;

but then when she doesn't give a shit about what you thought and she shoots you down in flames, then what?

It was putting the cart before the horse, or more like not even having a damn horse.

[–]mmishu 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So whats your approach? Mentality wise, approaching girls? How SHOULD you think of yourself, if not better than the girl?

[–]3whatsthisgarg 7 points8 points  (1 child)

So whats your approach? Mentality wise, approaching girls? How SHOULD you think of yourself, if not better than the girl?

I look at the chick like I want to eat her. I have actually heard many of them say this to me later, without me saying it first. You looked like you wanted to eat me.

So, you go in like a predator. This one doesn't work out, find another. That's how predators work.

[–]mmishu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about all these posts from endorsed contributes saying not to head swivel and shit, as well as not to validate and give attention to these girls bc thats what they want.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That post was just some useless feelgood bullshit and even naming Patrice in the same sentence is blasphemy in its highest form.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I clearly only remembered specific parts of that post after reading other comments here.

[–]Kalepsis 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I prefer to say "get off your ass and make yourself the prize."

[–]Shukakun 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Exactly, the "You're the prize!"-mindset requires that you also actually work on yourself and make yourself valuable. Otherwise you're just a bitter, depressed incel with an absurd self-image.

Let's face it, most of us are not much of a prize at all. The decision you have to make is whether you want to stay here and become the prize or die trying, or whether you want to join MGTOW & Co, deluding yourself that you are absolutely perfect and everything wrong in your life comes from the world, not from you.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly, the "You're the prize!"-mindset requires that you also actually work on yourself and make yourself valuable. Otherwise you're just a bitter, depressed incel with an absurd self-image.

It usually seemed to come from some fat, doughy, dad-bod married guy who let his wife run the house, who finally was determined to turn things around. (Those guys don't post on TRP anymore, maybe there's a reason for that.)

No matter where it's coming from, better phrased it would be "You SHOULD BE the prize." And then do the work you mentioned to become the prize. Because men have this great capacity for improvement.

But what we're talking about here is the guys who want to skip those important steps.

[–]99LuftBaboons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When we think the present defines us, we get stuck. Your life gets slowly shaped around the beliefs that you hold as your subconscious acts to uphold those beliefs. Beyond the humility that it takes to recognize where you are beyond personal bullshit, telling someone not to believe they are the prize is counter productive to them actually becoming the prize.

[–]juhlordo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is that basic understanding of statistics? I feel like a lot of posters' percentages are pulled out of their ass

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

We are the prize. We provide monthly income streams, a target for all the world's problems and we do all the hard work. To get us is to get the prize.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 0 points1 point  (2 children)

We are the prize. We provide monthly income streams, a target for all the world's problems and we do all the hard work. To get us is to get the prize.

In 90% of cases, a prize so easily won is no prize at all.

Women don't care about all that shit you listed.

You have to understand the irony here. I'm not really disagreeing with you, I'm just telling you how it's seen in the real world. Women don't care about men. Until they have to. And most men don't go to that extent. They just provide and hope for a return. Which is not forthcoming. Because it is not required. Because men just keep putting out. So stupid.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Women do care about the shit I listed because that's why they try to betaize and divorce rape men. You're missing the bigger picture, the farm falls apart without it's work horses.

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (31 children)

Just a small appreciation for redpillschool who has to put up with Bluepillinvasions for years now. Can't respect your work enough.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 13 points14 points  (30 children)

Thanks. I was considering starting a hatreon to supplement the time and cost put into this and trp.red. Anybody have experience with this company?

[–]Kalepsis 1 point2 points  (28 children)

It's not something you want to be associated with.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (27 children)

You know patreon would drop red pillers as a "hate group." I understand hatreon's name to be sarcastic.

[–]Kalepsis 17 points18 points  (22 children)

My opinion, take it or leave it: It doesn't help our position if we're willing to align ourselves with a website that hosts racial supremacists and Nazis. I do not want to be associated with that, and I'm confident that the black and Jewish (and other diverse) TRPers don't, either.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 15 points16 points  (1 child)

You do realize that 99% of "white supremacists" and "nazis" are something blooper leftists conjured up in their dripping wet dream of victimhood splooge in order to control the narrative, right?

When you toss around those words unironcally you might as well scream about the patriarchy or muh Russia like an SJW.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's just another made-up boogeyman.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 7 points8 points  (1 child)

none of us care.

Source: Minority, not black or jew

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 15 points16 points  (15 children)

Where do you draw that line though? We're on the same internet as them, does that mean we have the same values?

What should bother you is that people who discuss the truth of sexual relations is considered as bad as racists or nazis, and is left with the same options as far as payment methods go.

The truth is, nobody here gets to just publish their paypal for a number of reasons: privacy, doxxing risks, losing employment risk, and paypal shuts down accounts associated with the manosphere.

I'm confident that the black and Jewish (and other diverse) TRPers don't, either.

I honestly don't think anybody on a page called "red pill" is going to fall for such sjw concerns, honestly.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I honestly don't think anybody on a page called "red pill" is going to fall for such sjw concerns, honestly.

I have been reading and commenting for a year, on my third handle. I am no longer blown away when most racial talk is "don't let it get in your way" while homosexual men are treated really well.

Further, while Anger Mode is a thing, TRP teaches not to stew in it but to instead raise our SMV and have relationships with women based on reality rather than Disney fantasies.

In short, this is far from a hate group. But perceptions matter. In fact, that's my guess as to why people don't talk about Nietzsche here more often, bad associations.

I'd hate to see TRP lumped in with actual hate groups.

[–]TheEndlessRoadAhead 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'd hate to see TRP lumped in with actual hate groups. Doesn't matter, we're all misogynist assholes here anyway according to them.

The IDGAF attitude is a staple of TRP, unless it's SJWs who want to lump us in with Nazis. Then we'd better care, right guys?

Your blue pill is showing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doesn't matter, we're all misogynist assholes here anyway according to them.

I did not say this part, although it was probably not intentional.

My read and assumption is that intercourse with Hatreon would lump ourselves in with Nazi's.

I have about 20 of my favorite RP pieces saved, not bookmarked but whole web pages. I would delete this handle and continue living a good Red Pilled/Alpha 2.0 life.

[–]Kalepsis 14 points15 points  (10 children)

It does bother me that the feminists and sjws lump us in with racists and Nazis, but that doesn't mean we should prove them right by starting up with hatreon, which is currently best known for providing a home for Nazis. Come on, man, you're a champion of realism; you should know where that will lead, slippery slope argument notwithstanding. There must be other venues we can patronize that don't carry such toxic baggage.

Also, I don't think it is a "sjw concern" to say that black, Latino, Asian, Jewish, and other minority members of this community would be pissed off and leave if we joined up with hatreon, and rightfully so. But, again, it's my opinion.

I just don't want to see TRP get sucked further into the bullshit identity politics. The idiots heap enough on us already, don't hand them another shovel.

Edit: Shoeonhead is a great example of an anti-feminist YouTuber; she hasn't gotten kicked off yet. How does she monetize?

[–]TheEndlessRoadAhead 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Ever wonder where feminism, sexual liberation, equality™ and progressivism came from?

I suggest you read up on the JQ. Don't be a blue pill faggot.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Your first mistake was caring.

Your second mistake is caring implies that their opinion is legitimate.

Your third mistake is in doing the above you've stepped into their frame.

You've lost before you began.

[–]juliusstreicher 3 points4 points  (2 children)

It does bother me that the feminists and sjws lump us in with racists and Nazis, but that doesn't mean we should prove them right by starting up with hatreon, which is currently best known for providing a home for Nazis.

You used the word Nazi twice in the same sentence, and I suspect you have no idea what a Nazi is. Further, you seem too easily triggered. Grow up.

[–]Kalepsis 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Sure. Anyone whose opinion is different than yours is wrong. Ooooooooh, you're so edgy telling me I'm triggered.

You know who you sound like? A third-wave feminist.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Take a break, your frame is leaking.

[–]juliusstreicher 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don't kid yourself; if we align ourselves with Mother Theresa and feeding dogs all around the world, we'd be hated.

I'm a Nazi and using "who is aligned with anybody else" in making quality judgments is for the dull-witted.

[–]yazen_ 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Why patreon when you can accept Bitcoin, Ethereum, LiteCoin and the mighty Monero.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think the advantage is subscription payments, which I don't think are easy to automate with any of the cryptocoins.

[–]yazen_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think ethereum smart contracts can do that. I'll check more about this

[–]DigitallyDisrupt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bitcoin's current network fee is more than most would donate.

[–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I'm not mistaken, Andrew Anglin from Daily Stormer uses it because nobody else will allow their sites to be used. Of course, he's such a wiseguy that he could be joking about it, but, I don't think so.

[–]Bad_nuggets69 168 points169 points  (0 children)

I wasn't going to open this because it sounded like bullshit. Saw the OP and almost didn't believe it. Opened it. Realized it was sarcasm. Should have known better.

[–]Kalepsis 51 points52 points  (4 children)

Fuck all that Disney bullshit.

I'm down 20 lbs in the past 6 weeks. Got another 70 to go, then I'm gonna bulk.

[–]IchBinDieMadness 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Good job and best luck, man!

[–]pmmedenver 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The redpill was created as the opposite reaction to this "just be yourself" bullshit. "Just be yourself" is as bluepill as it gets.

[–]neau 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How about your mental conditioning?

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl 54 points55 points  (6 children)

The "Just Be Yourself" crowd absolutely adores the idea of that special someone stumbling across your couch laden carcass while you're eating Cheetos with your permanently dyed orange fingers. There's a special snowflake for everyone!

Or... learn game, lift, and self improve... while sucking on special snowflake icepops made from tears of their fears topped with your conquered demon sprinkles.

[–]mmishu 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Any good resources for learning game?

[–]SpaceTimeinFlux 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Valentino Kohens my favorite "pickup" guy but he also does a lot of theory and game psychology.

[–]tittylover911 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I don't agree. This shit will cause people on this sub to go into full self improvement mode and next thing you know they're 180 lbs shredded making 100 grand a year and dressing like Ryan Gosling and they'll still be thinking "If I just do _____ then I'll finally be able to talk to a girl!" Sure, all of this stuff matters if you want to increase the quality of what you're pulling, but the "you are enough" mentality is what you need to actually pull.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Thanks for this

I am so so sick of dragging my ass to the gym, skipping meals, and acting like a tough guy when I'm hurting on the inside.

Yes I am having sex, getting paid and respected by folks but I want to be true to myself

and Thank God my Princess and her kids will be waiting for me in 15 years. I don't care if she was plunged like an old toilet by 50 Convicts, Athletes, and Sociopaths. She chose me for me!

[–]1empatheticapathetic 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Beautiful. Amen brother.

[–]JohnGalt316 33 points34 points  (9 children)

EXACTLY

looks matter

race matters

height matters

muscles matter

status matters

confidence matters

money matters

[–]1empatheticapathetic 15 points16 points  (7 children)

But what if I'm an ugly short brown skinny unconfident broke nobody??? (Actually closer to reality than I was anticipating tbh)

[–]JohnGalt316 21 points22 points  (3 children)

u got a shit hand in life

you have to do the best with what you have because there is no other way

[–]RPDota 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I mean, that applies to everyone, no matter their hand.

[–]SpaceTimeinFlux 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Grind it out. Suck up the tears and fight for your life.

[–]clavabot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

100% my reality as well, but take this in.

Things you can control:

+Muscles

+Status

+Confidence

+Money

Things you can Influence:

Looks

Things you cant control:

-Race

-Height

I like me my odds.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I was triggered for a second. Glad you took down that piece of shit post that was upvoted like crazy. Everyone who upvoted that should feel shame.

[–]Krebota 6 points7 points  (2 children)

And once again I have no idea what's going on here

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yes, you do.

[–]Krebota 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No really, I have no idea what OP got triggered of nor what he wants to achieve with this post

[–]SmilingWatermelon 5 points6 points  (2 children)

If you're here it's because you realized you weren't enough and wanted to become more.

I don't think the red pill is about making people feel good. It's about becoming better.

Feeling good comes after you've earned it.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Feeling good comes after you've earned it.

Exactly. And feeling bad is the catalyst to change.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Feeling good comes after you've earned it.

I'd rather look good than feel good.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Guess I've been lifting for nothing.

Time to order a pizza & a 2 liter of Mountain Dew and settle into some World of Warcraft.

[–]TheEndlessRoadAhead 6 points7 points  (0 children)

How the fuck can people like me when I don't like myself?

Wrong answer: You just need to learn to like yourself (read as: You need to be delusional)

Right answer: Improve.

[–]_ManGuy_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Red pill wont truly thrive with the dogmatism behind the sub. The "You're more TGE" post gave me some good vibes, not vibes that lead to getting cucked and stepped on but vibes that leads to taking action and pure internal confidence. Self esteem is just as good for the TRP man. No sense in applying RP tenets when you can't even believe in yourself.

That being said I'm infuriated that the post was taken down. Good luck dealing with pompous ass pretentious dictators on a fucking reddit sub.

[–]1TheDreadnought1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There are two very different prospects in this "you are good enough" statement. A) It increases confidence, that which is per se attractive and useful, certainly what the guy of the other post tried to invoke at the readers and B) It may well cut your motivation to improve, and that's where the danger lives.

This good enough mentality (restricted only to that, its evolution - "you don't have to change, there's someone for everyone, blabla" - is pure bullshit) can be somewhat fulfilling and useful for that confidence that helps with women, but it has to come from a place of self improvement, when you know you are the best that you can be, or at least is sweating your ass off and getting there, not just some fake feeling generated from a post from a random in the internet

[–]usedsparingly 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you for removing that post.

[–]TRebirthP 8 points9 points  (12 children)

If you're feeling so worthless that even the prospect of improving isn't motivating, it can help to have a perspective that there is something already worthwhile in you. Arguably, anyone who pulls themselves out of the shit must have this idea inside of them in some form otherwise they wouldn't bother. That's not the same as denying AWALT, saying there's somebody for everyone, believing in fate, saying it's ok to be fat and lazy, thinking the world is just or any of the other things your post asserts. And since this post is most likely a thinly veiled justification for removing "You ARE MORE than good enough" (or a warning against posts like it), it should be noted "You ARE MORE than good enough" didn't assert any of what you did.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Men are inherently worthless. We start with potential only. We compete to rise above the pack. Mental models follow action; not vice versa.

[–]1TheDreadnought1 13 points14 points  (2 children)

That's something I've been thinking about a lot. Men start from the bottom, below women, men are the disposable sex, but what we have that women don't, never did and never will, is potential. The bottom of the world is 99% men, and the top of the world is also 99% men.

We're all or nothing. They're condemned to mediocrity.

[–]LateralThinker13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just like the correlation to the IQ distribution curve difference between men and women (see The Bell Curve).

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

If you're feeling so worthless that even the prospect of improving isn't motivating, it can help to have a perspective that there is something already worthwhile in you.

If you do not act to improve, nothing is going to improve.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you do not act to improve, nothing is going to improve.

If you daydream about improvement while doing nothing about it, you don't get a man card.

[–]TRebirthP 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Reframing your thoughts about your own self worth is acting toward improve things.

Also, ignoring the fact that the post didn't say what you are indirectly asserting it did and thus didn't break the rules, but removing it anyway is an abuse of power.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

removing it anyway is an abuse of power.

Did the big bad mod hurt your feelings?

Read the rules son, they apply to both content and titles. Barring that, we get to remove what we don't like. It's never going to be fair. Nothing in life is fair.

[–]TRebirthP 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If the title is the reason you removed it then you must remove this post as well to be logically consistent.

You also broke another rule:

"Do not insult or harass members. Posts & Comments Reported as: Do not insult or harass members.

If you have a point to be made, you can make it with a well reasoned rationale, or not at all. Calling members "beta" or "bitch" brings the level of discourse down to preadolescent schoolyard bickering.

Additionally, individuals with special flairs are members of the community who have proven themselves to add valuable content to our forum. We want them to stay. If you try to make their participation unpleasant, you will be banned. Feel free to disagree with them, but do so with courtesy."

While I don't take offense to your snarky tone, asking me if you hurt my feelings is implying the exact same thing that someone calling me a "beta" or a "bitch" would. Furthermore, calling me "son" in the context which you did, could be replaced with either "beta" or "bitch" and it would have a very similar connotation and meaning making it functionally identical.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Oh shit, I better step down and hand over the keys to this guy. He showed me! Way to stand up to authority!

Here's a life skill: Don't argue with the mods. 10 out of 10 times you will lose.

[–]usedsparingly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TRP isn't a democracy. The mods get to rule to rule this sub with an iron fist. And I for one am glad. If the mods didn't, this place would become pure anarchy; what with all the newbie bloopies rushing in, not bothering to read the sidebar and then posting their garbage. The main message would be drowned out before you could blink. Also considering most people barely bother to read the sidebar as it is anyway.

As to your point, I've read damn near every self help book ever recommended to me and you know what? None come close to the PURE, RAW truth that is TRP. And you know what else? Reframing your thoughts doesn't work without action. Sure. You can do a bunch of CBT and work on changing your core beliefs. But if you don't follow any of it up with action, you'll end up right where you started.

[–]FirstNamesMusic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What I don't understand other than excuses to be sub par (like you're someone's prize), is why are there men that accept that. Like why don't you want to be the baddest mother fucker on the face of the planet. Simply put, if a man can lift 400 lbs, a real man should be unbelievably motivated to lift 405. This goes beyond the gym and applies to work, social functions, pretty much everything.

Remember don't try to imitate an Alpha. Instead be the alpha.

[–]imbeciI 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fool me once, shame on me.

Fool me twice, twice the shame on me.

[–]Redasshole 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Never change who you are for somebody else.

I agree with that actually.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (11 children)

Im the author of the removed post.

My post made none of the above assertions. Mod didnt understand it at all. Though some ppl in the comments did.

Been lurking here for 5 years. Most of you ec's I remember. The thing that bugged me from the start was the inherent masochism of trp, the celebrated suffering and aversion to truths that feel good.

muh trp is bitter muh hard to swallow muh pain is good muh it hurts so right!

You've come at a stage when everything that feels good must be a lie that will destroy you. I can imagine that happening to many of you since the reason most come here is they get broken by source of most pleasure in life - for not yet fully actualized man, that source are women. You see, you really are running at the same spot here? Underlying problems in your mind still run circles around you.

What is this bullshit about men are worthless, seed is worthless? Are you fucking insane? Maybe you and yours is. Good luck with that. Trp has reached a point when it became the thing it fought against.

I thought this sub was a place 4 propagation of "alpha" or 20%ers mindset. You realize that none of the people who rule in those terms think themselves worthless? How can you give worth to the world when you walk around carrying your inadequacies? And the feminine approach to life you do - take care of the outer and it will take care of the inner, is apposite of what manhood is about. If you were a girl, mr mod, you would beg for likes on facebook and you know its true.

If you go to sleep thinking you are worthless, than you win every confrontation mr mod, since nothing can be taken away, when you effort to destroy your self every day. I lived like that once it wasnt fun. But by all means continue.

As for people who understood my post: Thanks for commenting, helped me sharpen some insights myself, Im glad I helped some of you get that aha moment, keep working on yourself and love your self trough the process. Good bless. Im out.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (9 children)

What is this bullshit about men are worthless, seed is worthless? Are you fucking insane? Maybe you and yours is.

You must be new here. The number one principle of the red pill is embracing truth no matter how hard or dark that truth may be. The truth is, men struggle in the mating world because men are genetically disposable.

That's not to say having a good mindset and inner game isn't important. But your feel-good platitudes don't make that distinction. No, you don't have intrinsic value. That's why we focus on things like lifting, improvement and such.

Good luck with that. Trp has reached a point when it became the thing it fought against.

I don't know who you are, but I do know you know nothing of this sub if that's your approach to it.

keep working on yourself and love your self trough the process

Nobody here is suggesting you should loathe yourself. But saying "love yourself" is so eat-pray-love I can't imagine what made you think that tone fit here.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

To be fair, I fucking love myself and Narcussus himself would tsk tsk me.

The fact that this attitude works and reduces personal anxiety to zero is mindboggling

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't disagree with the principle of having confidence to the point of excess. Just platitudes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know you don't, I'm just pointing out that a healthy dose of irratational self love has slayed more bag than all the hallmark cards ever printed

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

The number one principle of the red pill is embracing truth no matter how hard or dark that truth may be.

Sure, also no matter how good and pleasant it may be. Should be above the simple rule of thumb - feels bad - must be true.

The truth is, men struggle in the mating world because men are genetically disposable.

Thats not the truth. That is subjective experience of SOME males. Ask a prince in Dubai about what he feels, knows and experiences and he would tell you a different story. Im not focused at 80%ers and their mindset. SOME man struggle and 90% if not more its NOT because of their genes, but because of how society is set up without healthy masculine guidance offered from males birth. The collective mindset of males worldwide is fucked. To punish them into becoming better achieves nothing. Self actualization comes from being proud as a man and not settling for less than best in your body mind spirit and surroundings. Male-female is mutually supportive system in nature. A tribe with many guys could defend and rape more efficiently than tribe which slaughtered their men freely. Big army vs small army. Society which favors women is only a pray for society that favors man - and that is why west is prey for muslims right now. Who I assure you dont feel worthless like men in west do.

That's not to say having a good mindset and inner game isn't important. But your feel-good platitudes don't make that distinction. No, you don't have intrinsic value. That's why we focus on things like lifting, improvement and such.

Every man has intrinsic value. Feeling better about yourself has helped everyone become happier and more successful person in anything in life, except if their goal was to give $$ to shrinks and farma. The closely connected issue is that not every man pursues his full potential, but thats not as same as not having intrinsic value. Also intrinsic means value from within. WITHIN.

Nobody here is suggesting you should loathe yourself.

You will get nowhere with "being ok with yourself" if thats what you're aiming for. This shit is binary. You either love yourself or hate yourself. No middle. At least not if you want to be best u can be.

But saying "love yourself" is so eat-pray-love I can't imagine what made you think that tone fit here.

So trp is about "the tone" not about the Truth? And truth for me is everything that helps me achieve more of what I love doing.

Im not familiar with that movie but you can be sure if I watched a movie titled "Flowers and their impact on bees", and it had some valuable insights, I would adopt them. Im a pragmatic person. Color of a tool doesnt matter if it does the job, but if it does the job and makes me feel great, even better. I might read a children's book about a lost kitten and I will get something out of it.

You dont have any real arguments in your favor, just feel-bad platitudes, since that seems to be the word of the day. I welcome something you can offer that can truly destroy the points I made.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Ask a prince in Dubai about what he feels, knows and experiences and he would tell you a different story.

This is how I know you don't belong here. Failure to understand generalizations is a hallmark of a troll.

Self actualization comes from being proud as a man and not settling for less than best in your body mind spirit and surroundings.

If a rock thinks he is a tree, does that make a rock intro a tree?

Every man has intrinsic value.

Show me where this is written in the stars. If an asteroid took out the entire species, in which court do we hold the asteroid accountable?

Also intrinsic means value from within. WITHIN.

Valuing yourself does not change anything about objective reality. You can love yourself to death but if you're a fat ugly loser, you still haven't won the right of anybody's respect let alone attraction.

So trp is about "the tone" not about the Truth?

The tone here is the truth. A bit of nuance you've missed.

Im a pragmatic person.

You're a pragmatic person who doesn't understand the difference between functional advice and the nature of things. One can be optimistic without lying to oneself about the nature of things.

The blue pill is nothing more than convenient lies to tell yourself to avoid harsh realities. Some blue pill lies aren't as bad as others, but they are still lies.

Hell, some people believe that the alignment of the stars gave them great fortune rather than persistence and hard work. That doesn't mean astrology is now a good way to make predictions. Astrology fails to illustrate a mechanism by which it works. Likewise, loving yourself fails to address any sort of mechanism by which demonstrable results can be achieved. That is what makes it a de facto platitude.

It's not that loving yourself is wrong, it's that your advice is not actionable and is entirely fluff. Useless for the discussion at hand here.

You dont have any real arguments in your favor, just feel-bad platitudes, since that seems to be the word of the day. I welcome something you can offer that can truly destroy the points I made.

You think you're the first person in here dick-in-hand flashing some JAQ-off blue pill points thinking you're going to take down the entire purpose of a very popular forum? You must really love yourself. Nightly.

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Dont cherry pick, what about points I made about your needless masochism? U ignore the most important point.

If a rock thinks he is a tree, does that make a rock intro a tree?

slow clap 4 that logic. In any case anyone's been wondering, rock cannot become a tree, but man can become self actualized. Dont degrade yourself with faulty logic.

Valuing yourself does not change anything about objective reality. You can love yourself to death but if you're a fat ugly loser, you still haven't won the right of anybody's respect let alone attraction.

Yes it does, it changes everything. Beliefs change behaviors. People with high self worth dont allow themselves nothing but the best in mind spirit body. And there are plenty charismatic fat males that slay and earn respect. Maybe not fat by usa standards but fat by european for sure.

The tone here is the truth. A bit of nuance you've missed.

stupidest thing I heard all day.

You're a pragmatic person who doesn't understand the difference between functional advice and the nature of things. One can be optimistic without lying to oneself about the nature of things.

You shouldnt lie to yourself, but everything can be viewed as bad or good depending on perspective. Nothing is inherently bad or good. But good things tend to motivate better. At least in my case. Im more of a carrot type of man.

loving yourself fails to address any sort of mechanism by which demonstrable results can be achieved. That is what makes it a de facto platitude.

Belief leads to changed behavior and to changed experience. Its most basic thing to comprehend come on man you're close.

You think you're the first person in here dick-in-hand flashing some JAQ-off blue pill points thinking you're going to take down the entire purpose of a very popular forum?

blu or red I overgrew both. There is wealth of experience to be had when you let go of concepts. I dont give a fuck about "trolling" what is this 2005.?

Thought trp was closest to my mindset, so wanted to share and help out. Know better now. To be frank nowhere in your mission statement you told "and to be happy doing that" so I stand corrected and erected.

How's that for dick waggling?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

slow clap 4 that logic. In any case anyone's been wondering, rock cannot become a tree, but man can become self actualized. Dont degrade yourself with faulty logic.

Yup, troll. Couldn't handle generalizations, nor understand a metaphor. That's two strikes.

And I'll throw in the third for free. See ya!

[–]3whatsthisgarg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ask a prince in Dubai about what he feels, knows and experiences and he would tell you a different story. Im not focused at 80%ers and their mindset.

A prince in Dubai? LOLOLOL you have got to be kidding me

I'll tell you what my problem with your post was: you WERE talking to the 80%ers

[–]hasantaskin33 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had the same issue when I first delved into posts. Unlike in PUA books, there are no beginnings like "you are the alpha, you have that inner strenght". Instead I saw people like "looks is all that matter you shithead". There are guys who are really fucked up in life. No job, no sex, no life at all. They think "fortunately there is red pill, I will improve myself and I will be the chad one day." And end up misunderstanding the "if you are ugly, you worth no shit" posts. There is one truth that we all understand that men didn't born with anything valuable so we gotta work and obtain it. But I really can't understand why people keep telling like "Hey I got the perfect face I am 6'2 lean as fuck. Don't even try if you are ugly you worth no shit". Well thanks for reminding me that I am only going to be a better beta for working my ass off.

I understand that "you are good enough" posts are bullshit. But, are those "you will never fuck a hb8 because you are fucking ugly and you are short." posts necessary? Well It doesn't matter if you can get a hb8 as long as you keep your frame in my opinion (self respect). If you were going to discourage newbies with those posts, why didn't those guys create a private platform that only top %15 could join?

[–]MonkeyCoconut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem with not thinking of yourself as the shit is that this unabashed confident mentality works with women. I would even go as far to say that having an absurdly inaccurate perception of yourself would do wonders, but the crucial key is to maintain it while interacting with a woman. The issue is a lot of these incels and low-on-the-totem-pole guys may think of themselves as the shit after three masturbation sessions, but this perception CRUMBLES when it's actually challenged and the woman can feel the crumble. Hell, I bet the guy feels it too, but he blames her and doesn't look inward. However, if you can maintain that frame that you are the prize in her presence while she's throwing shit at you, I don't see how that wouldn't be ideal.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The universe is yours as soon as you stop giving a fuck about what you were told and read the sidebar.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The scary part is, people who can't figure out this is satire will be blinded by emotion and take this as truth lol.

[–]Alpagon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're good enough when you train, you are smart enough when you study. You don't have to prove anything to anybody, you have to prove everything to yourself.

Your boss may betray you, your gf/plate/wife may betray you, your parents may betrat you. Your effort will not.

True confidence does not come from within, ignorence does. Make yourself the best there is because noone else deserves it most. But only when you shape yourself, you become on top. This is my mantra I am trying to live by.

You're the Prize! mentality can become an asset depending how you utilize it. If you can become the prize, capitalize on it, use it. All your hard work is a waste if you don't reap the benefits. We see a lot of people wasting themselves because they don't realize they are the prize. And we see a lot of people just being lazy because they think they are. I think there is a balance here we must achieve.

[–]biggerbetterjobs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I never adopted a "be the prize" mindset when I was a chubby virgin, I probably wouldn't have ever had sex and continued being a chubby virgin. Having more sex and a girlfriend who dumped me helped me find trp and become who I am today.

It's not saying you're just as good looking as a dude who puts in work lifting, it's just having some self esteem and not seeing yourself as "unworthy" of sex simply cause you're not an alpha bro chad thunder cock (yet)

Small steps people.. you don't need to be a 10 of a dude to get laid.. just gain a little confidence. You get nowhere without taking the first step forward.

[–]RedPill_Swinger 1 point2 points  (1 child)

WTF is this "just be yourself" BP post doing here?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did you read it?

[–]GoTomArrow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wanted to write "wtf, how is this red pilled" until I realized it's sarcasm.

[–]Trustedflipper8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wow this really helped me out today thank you so much for this man

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[–]TRP_mask 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Delete this post from the top already, jeez

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[–]1OneRedSock 3 points4 points  (12 children)

We don't live in a jungle anymore.

Not in the physical sense but in the metaphorical sense we certainly still live there. You think the best of the best get to where they are because someone said they deserve it and handed it to them? No -- they earned it.

And anyone who tells you that there's no need for competition is someone who already gave up a long time ago and is looking for the free handouts. NEWS FLASH: Those who espouse equality the most are the one's at the bottom who want something for nothing.

You think competition is primitive? You think without competition society will become a fairy tale of total equality for everyone? Take a history lesson and look into Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, or just go here.

There is no healthy world outside competition, or the need to rise to the top. All regimes that have disallowed for this human necessity to stratify hierarchically have lead to the most deaths under one name. I think we can call it quits at 100 million dead, don't you?

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    [–]itooktrp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Sir, are you American? In my experience a lot of U.S. citizens don't understand what irony is. One of them even wrote a song about it and listed a bunch of not-ironic examples.

    Insulting the entire TRP community might be why your comment has zero upvotes 13 hours later.

    Sadly, I think that there might be a cogent argument for 'the wisdom of being able to accept ourselves as we are' but you have not made that argument. Many people will read that like ThrowFader did and assume that 'accepting myself' = 'I don't need to do anything' which is false.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sir, are you American?

    AAALT? And that's your basis for saying I'm not understanding irony because of where I live. Game over. TRP is a bunch of racist misogynist morons incapable of understanding anything outside of their own frame of reference. To me it is irony when someone mocks self-acceptance while totally missing its value and invalidating it and being at war with themselves all in the name of improvement. It is irony to me that the very desire to improve becomes a hurdle for being at peace and happy. Maybe you guys should try to stop taking pills? Maybe you just can't see the irony because you don't understand the irony, not because of where I live? Oh no not the down votes! You understand at least part of the point I was making, so I'm not sure why people are saying I should have worded it differently. TRP is antithetical to happiness.

    [–]Lost_soul95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I was about to tell you to go fuck yourself lmao. Good one.

    [–]Desadarius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I was about to say...

    [–]ShrimShrim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I just walked out of my first test in grad school. It was a 5 hour anatomy lecture test and lab practical. Following the test this is exactly what every female was saying in our group chat. Nothing demotivates me like saying "it'll all be ok in the end, buddy!"

    [–]Shakydrummer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yeah, that mentality is just going to get you burned.

    I wasn't fucking good enough a year ago when I found this sub. I don't even know if I am good enough now - all I know is you gotta work your ass off and stay disciplined because life is exactly what you make of it, and you are what you do every day.

    [–]grngr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    As I was reading this, I kept flicking my eyes up to who posted it and saw the MOD flare. Then I got to the end and thought... thank fuck.

    [–]pevans12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It’s sad many will upvote and move on and think to themselves this is the mindset they should have...

    Oh fuck... feel like we are going backwards sometimes

    [–]11-Eleven-11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Good post but a key aspect of inner game is realizing that you are in fact good enough which is what I thought you were going with. Of course inner game is something you should conquer after you've been lifting and building confidence. It takes work to learn to be good enough.

    [–]NullIsUndefined 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    [–]SpongeDickSemenPants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Lmao I was wondering 'what is this faggot shit, has this sub finally gone down the drain'

    [–]TissueBabies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Damn you got me OP. I walked in here from being away for a while and was like "What the fuck is this shit?" 600+ upvotes. That last line was just in the nick of time. Always gotta remember value=work.

    [–]ThickDickWarrior89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Is this glo just trolling on one of his other reddit accounts?

    [–]doladolabillyall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    There's somebody out there for everybody!

    Whoa, when did this place become so blue pill. There isn't someone out there for everyone, this thinking is actually quite dangerous. When you wake up, and realize that your on a sort of unfair primal planet that happens to have technology and society on it, your sex life will make much more sense. When you realize that you there is nobody out there for you, just waiting around, you'll be relieved. When you realize that you must take what you want, and probably settle for less than your expectations (when you really realize what the world is and who you are and how you fit into it), you'll be much more productive romantically.

    (Ok I just read the bottom of your post, good job sir.)

    [–]WillyWonka321 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Those words feel so good. Its easy. No pressure....."sigh".... Anyway back to the treadmill.

    [–]JFMX1996 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Seriously. Since I was young I hated the feel good bullshit.

    I think it makes us feel good about where we are, when there's nothing to feel good about. Sets us to just be conformist.

    I have no problem with decent motivating stuff, but hate the simple "feel good" shit.

    [–]FirstNamesMusic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This post is dumb, failure is literally not an option. This isn't complaining, cause I won't fail. Really just a reminder. As a man you have to win, good thing you're given the tools at birth. So go fucking do it, you're no one's prize until you make yourself a prize. (Except God, but he isn't a human)

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