Red Pill ExampleHamster pushed for divorce, then became jealous when ex-husband got in shape and found a younger, prettier SO (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by boobylee

Reading relationships subreddit can bring some good TRP examples IRL.

Here's the thread.

Characters in the story: the hamster (32F), her ex-husband (33M) and his new girlfriend (26F).

Husband focused on career, while wife stayed at home caring for his son. She had no hobbies nor friends, was overweight and became less attractive as she hit the wall, and being home alone, she was feeling lonely (probably cheated on her husband occasionally) while husband was working his ass off to provide for family.

The husband stayed faithful, yet to her that wasn't perfect, she wanted him to leave his job(?) to spend more time with her, yet had the husband did so, she'd have left him after a while because he'd no longer be providing her and their kid with quality life, and would have turned into a loser just like she is.

Instead of appreciating the quality life and supporting husband in his career, she gave him drama and initiated the divorce.

Hooked the husband on child support (she wouldn't mention facts like this, because that's not good for her self-image) was banging random dudes she'd have found online (very easy for a woman to get laid and get that instant gratification from attention/sex), then after realizing she lost a man with very high SMV, and there are slim chances of getting another one now, she regretted her decision and wants him back.

But unfortunately for her, the husband moved on, found himself a pretty, fit 26 y/o girl with a positive attitude.

Had the husband became miserable and turned into a loser alcoholic, she wouldn't have wanted him back, and rationalized her decision to divorce him as "right".

Remember, women will rationalize whatever they want so long as it benefits them.

In this case, she became the victim of her own stupidity. If you're at a point in life, when your SO gives you shit/or your wife divorces you, with little care to your "feelings". Just remember, that the best revenge is to get more successful than you currently are, get higher SMV, nothing grinds hamster wheels harder than seeing the man they dumped becoming a better person in the future.

[–]11-Eleven-11 1177 points1178 points  (41 children)

Sorry, you need to stop blaming him for your issues. The divorce didn’t motivated him.

You were dragging him down, you didn’t want to do anything, go on trips, get in shape, have sex, he was depressed and beaten down, but he was in love with you and committed to his family. You drug the marriage and him down, when you divorced him you freed him to go back to being the man he always was.

Now you remember what you gave up, and could have had, and you are mad at him, and at her, and neither one is responsible for your situation.

This comment I found sums it up perfectly.

[–]boobylee[S] 992 points993 points  (20 children)

Here's another, good one (posted by a woman), the juiciest part:

it appears you have suffered from a false delusion that marriage is oppressive and that obtaining freedom from your husband while demanding financial support is somehow liberating. Women who think like you are the reason why so many men are scared of marriage these days. As soon as the wife gets a bit unhappy, she can divorce you and take your stuff.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 229 points230 points  (3 children)

So good, I'll even paste the whole thing for people feeling lazy today:

I will probably be downvoted here but I think you really messed up and others should see your story as a cautionary tale.

Let's see. You married a great man who supported you through pregnancy. You got to stay at home while he worked his ass off supporting you and the child (which is not at all like being a single mom where you are working full time at a job and having to take care of your kid.)

Your marriage hits a little bit of a bump. It's not like he cheated or abused you: he was working very hard to support his family and struggling to balance his work/family life. Instead of stepping up and focusing on the things you can do to improve your marriage (get healthy, work on bedroom problems, call a babysitter, be a positive and supportive wife) you run to a lawyer and call it quits.

You focused only on your feelings and and chose not to engage in the hard work necessary to keep your marriage together. You are obsessed with your own emotions and did not seem to care how divorce would impact your husband or child. Honestly, I think your actions are incredibly selfish.

Now he is stuck with the financial burden of alimony (I am assuming you are receiving alimony since you were a stay at home mom and he earned enough to support that lifestyle) and child support. Fantastic. That being said, it appears you have suffered from a false delusion that marriage is oppressive and that obtaining freedom from your husband while demanding financial support is somehow liberating. Women who think like you are the reason why so many men are scared of marriage these days. As soon as the wife gets a bit unhappy, she can divorce you and take your stuff.

Of course you are upset seeing him happy. He is dating someone responsible who inspires him to be his best self. You need to start thinking logically about how to improve your life. Don't try to "win" your husband back- you have already done enough damage to him. Take care of your body, get your mind right, learn some skills, and liberate yourself from false delusions.

12/10, will read again.

[–]SpecialSpnk 36 points37 points  (0 children)

This is fucking golden really

[–]SKRedPill 154 points155 points  (3 children)

It seems it got downvoted a lot -- tells you about the state of society as such. Seems basic gratitude is too much for some - hell, I was seeing a video of a mother elephant thanking the people who got her calf out of a ditch and wondering where we've fallen on the evolutionary ladder.

[–]SickOfIt518 15 points16 points  (1 child)

The authors probably got instantly banned too for telling the bitter truth.

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 146 points147 points  (0 children)

The best freaking response out there.

[–]kinda-tall 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Damn couldn’t have said it better myself.

[–]11-Eleven-11 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I like that one better

[–]magx01 15 points16 points  (1 child)

That's gotta be a guy posting.

[–]truedemocracy3 15 points16 points  (1 child)

It really is a golden comment. This women had it MADE. Being able to be a stay at home mother is the ultimate dream for many women - and still it wasn't enough.

It's disgusting how 'seriously' some women take marriage. As the saying goes, all women want to be brides, almost none want to be wives

[–]jimmysax99 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ha, she still has it made. She likely took half of everything he had, as most states are equal distribution these days. It is indeed women like her that are waking men up. A woman can cheat on you, file for divorce, and still take half of everything you have, regardless of whether or not she contributed one red penny. Until they change the divorce laws, men would be wise to never marry again. Unless you like working your ass off to one day give half of it away to some undeserving woman, stay single!

[–]tobasoft 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeeesh, yeah that about sums it up right there.

[–]nombre1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A lack of posts encouraging this behavior is locked? Shocking! /s

[–]anon35201 46 points47 points  (8 children)

Symbiosis is any type of a close and long-term biological interaction between two different biological organisms, be it sexually mutual, commensalistic, or parasitic. The organisms, each termed a symbiont, may be of the same or of different species. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiosis

In evolutionary biology, parasitism is a relationship between species or between different members of the same species, where the parasite lives on or in another organism, the host, causing it some harm, and is adapted structurally to this way of life.


The act of the host pulling off a Simbiotic relationship that's turned to parasitism serves an evolutionary purpose to discourage procreation of parasites and encourage symbiosis. The genes of the symbiont are sub-optimal, having turned to parasitism, and should not to be carried on to the next generation. This dance between host and parasite is itself a beautiful example of evolution and natural selection in action.

So the man breaking that relationship and forming a new better one, leaving her out in the cold is an edification to all of humanity. It is why after 800 million years, we've advanced from a small chinchilla like rodent to the humans you see today.

Western civilization teaches men that they won't thrive after a divorce. But the opposite is the case, throughout most of the last 500 million years, males basically wandered off after the child is age 4 or 6 to start a new better family. The old psychological phenomenon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_seven-year_itch is a male biological imperative that is suppressed by western christian ideology of one man and one woman for all time.

[–]lala_xyyz 36 points37 points  (6 children)

It's indeed beautiful to see evolution in progress. It would've been even prettier had he not a child with her. Taken on a grander scale, the feminism acts as an evolutionary filter itself - the career-oriented feminist harpies with low maternal but intense hypergamous instincts, and absolute solipsism with no sense of appreciation of mens' sacrifice by and large get eliminated from the gene pool, with zero or at best a single child. It's just a matter of time before the son gets old enough to completely gravitate towards the father, at which point the mother will be a candidate for a mental institution. No mercy for the dumb hoes who ruin families for their gina tingles.

[–]rpMadler 34 points35 points  (5 children)

The only problem with that is that feminism isn't genetically transmitted, it's culturally transmitted.

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    [–]Randy_Dream_Weaver 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Culture is downstream of genetics.

    [–]SKRedPill 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    There was a post up here that claimed that 7% of women are unnaturally masculine. Not sure what is the percentage of narcissists or psychopaths in the human race (i.e. dark triad men), but the numbers of such deviants from the norm are significant.

    [–]Travzaz 2 points3 points  (0 children)


    I'm a psychopath researcher. They make up 1% of the general population, and become more prevalent the higher up dominance hierarchies you get. Still, they max out at about 3% in upper management.

    [–]Ishouldbeproducing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    after reading the first 2 sentences "selfishness" came to mind instantly.

    [–]truedemocracy3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I have dated women who let themselves go a bit and had no interest joining me on runs, the gym, etc. It's tough as you love them but eventually realize you can do better.

    [–]0wnieee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I can relate to that response

    [–]abdada 470 points471 points  (59 children)

    As you get older, you will hear these stories directly more and more over time.

    I remember when I was getting out of my marriage and honestly all my guy friends and most of my female colleagues said even if my wife was batshit insane coke head with a $15,000/month spending budget, I wouldn't do better than her. Lol.

    Now all I see are my buddy's ex-wives dropping the kids off who are so super excite to hang out with "happy dad and his girlfriend who is half his age" and the exes look like a moldy sack of potatoes. I haven't seen my ex in over 10 years but I've heard from my lawyer that she's a crazy cat lady and burned through not only all the divorce settlement but her trust fund.

    The Wall: it's real, and the older you get as a guy, the more you experience it.

    Going to my 25 year high school reunion last year was a shocking look at human reality. Every single high value guy there was fit, ripped, happy, flirting. There wasn't a single high value woman except for the lipstick lesbian who has always been a high value woman with no desire for guys.

    There's nothing worse than being a man under the age of 31 in any society. Even if you're a high value 20-something, you have no idea what it means to be a high value man over 31. That's when all the magic, hard work and patience really pays off, and it will pay off beyond the day they finally bury you.

    [–]1TheDreadnought1 212 points213 points  (12 children)

    As a 20yo (and living in a shitty country), this is the sort of simple, realistic, motivating comment that helps me in my journey and that I'd like to see everyday. Thank you mr. Sometimes is hard to see the pot of gold in the end of the rainbow.

    [–]osirise 101 points102 points  (4 children)

    You’re going to do great man. This is a great community you’re learning from at such a young age.

    I have younger brothers around your age and I always tell them. Make sure you avoid 3 things. Don’t die, don’t go to jail, and don’t knock anyone up.

    You do that and your 30s + will be amazing as long as you follow RP principles (setting and chirping goals worth achieving, lifting, keep flirting)

    Don’t get down on yourself. Patience pays

    [–]ThinkGrowProsper 13 points14 points  (3 children)

    Are there any goals you believe should be on every man’s list? (Apart from lifting)

    I usually dedicate my time to learning to cook, reading, learning languages, yoga, gym, traveling, and making money. I feel like I could be doing more. I’m in my mid twenties. Any insight would be much appreciated. Cheers.

    [–]majaka1234 39 points40 points  (2 children)

    Not rhe guy you replied to but if I could go back to my 20 year old self I would say this - Income independence and not being afraid to fail.

    I've focused on businesses in different industries since I was 19 and I've gone from making $40k a month in revenue to barely having enough to afford a ticket back to living with my parents and everything in between in the pursuit of the hustle.

    I spent a couple of years beating myself up and spinning my wheels after the first big failure before going back to office work where I made more cash in three months than that entire two year period which only had the benefit of fixing my debt and ruining my social life for the next year and a half.

    Then the next year was spent realising that I don't want to work in and office and focusing on self improvement. Overall a good three years or so just fucking around that could have been avoided if I had just gotten over my fragile young ego.

    Nowadays I can still occasionally fall into that trap but I've got multiple projects and opportunities running which means less time between successes (invoices, sign offs and new clients) which has the added benefit of making it difficult to beat yourself up when some guy just deposits $10k into your bank account.

    Key takeaways:

    1. Never focus on one income source. Better to have 3-4 low sources of income than 1 big one. My $40k a month business was gone in three months when market instability hit and currency markets went fucked up.

    2. First world living expenses can be replaced comfortably with quality developing countries. I've lived in a few different continents on 20-30% of my first world wage. Helps to save and invest more into businesses/projects which means less risk of busting the savings.

    3. There's nothing wrong with delayed gratification. I quit a $130k a year job to take on a new project. That busted and I lost a good $100k in potential earnings and another year off my life but it was worth the risk. A new project is just signed off now which could make me $80k a year in the first year and $160k a year the second year which only requires four months up front work. Pays $20k up front which helps me settle debt and I sold part of the old business which covers living costs. Yeah I would be up $80k by sticking around at my old office job but I'd also be that much closer to a gun in my mouth too.

    4. Girls are overrated. Im 27 and I'm already sick of them. They get in my way and as soon as I cum I'm basically counting down the minutes for them to fuck off so I can start doing something on my laptop. Maybe I'll meet some broad who has her shit together enough to actually impress me but I'm not holding my breath.

    5. Doing what everyone else is doing will just end up with you married to some hag with a mortgage and jumping off a bridge when she divorces you and takes all your shit for no reason. I have no doubt despite my tumultuous journey that there will be a massive pay off that will make up for all of it and put me far ahead of where j would have been had I stuck around doing the typical 9-5. Meanwhile the guys from highschool who signed a 30 year mortgage are already fucked.

    [–]SovereignSoul76 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Some valuable advice right here. I especially like the multiple income stream info.

    I would also add: if you're young (teens or twenties), spend some time thinking about what you want to focus on doing. Start some pet projects. What creates that spark inside of you? You may find that what you thought interested you really...doesn't.

    Don't just use the typical thought process of: "I was an accounting major, so I'll be an accountant, maybe some day I can get a good job at Ernst & Young". That's what drones do. Don't be a drone.

    It sucks to start projects and then write them up as a failure. But that's kind of what you need to do. Process of elimination to find what works. Nobody in their twenties, or really 30s even, should ever feel "pot-committed" to a profession.

    [–]archetypicalman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Amen to @majaka1234's advise. Being 28 myself and having been married at 22, I'd tell myself to not even consider marriage until at least my late 20s. Establishing financial independence, and health should be every man's goal in his 20s.

    [–]1grogbottle 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    A shitty country is also a country with great potential. Great risk, great reward. Take care of yourself. Build power. Avoid conflicts you cannot win. Use your hunger and instincts to seek out greatness.

    [–]youlovethisish 22 points23 points  (2 children)

    I think it's important to remember, however, that you need to capitalize on all that 20s knowledge in order to make your 30s amazing. It doesn't just magically happen - if you were fat and ugly in your 20s, and stay that way in your 30s, you're not going to see that much improvement.

    You have to keep hustling, building your legacy, focusing on your purpose, working out and eating healthy, generating power, and creating solid social presence in order for all this to work in your favor. It doesn't flip unless you actively work on it - it's just easier to flip as you work on it in your late 20s/early 30s, as compared to trying to make it flip at 22 when you're still a babyface with $1k to your name and not enough credit to lease a Nissan Leaf.

    [–]abdada 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    I think it's important to remember, however, that you need to capitalize on all that 20s knowledge in order to make your 30s amazing. It doesn't just magically happen - if you were fat and ugly in your 20s, and stay that way in your 30s, you're not going to see that much improvement.

    Granted, but if you're actively reading TRP and giving it some effort, it does start to clarify better in your 30s even if you end up doing a piss poor job with not the right effort in your 20s.

    I've been active in TRP communities online since 1987. 31 years. Long fscking time. In that time I have repeatedly seen guys pop in during their teens and 20s only to burn out and say it doesn't work. But give them a decade and they're back and actually seeing more clearly.

    You have to keep hustling, building your legacy, focusing on your purpose, working out and eating healthy, generating power, and creating solid social presence in order for all this to work in your favor. It doesn't flip unless you actively work on it - it's just easier to flip when you do work on it, as compared to trying to make it flip at 22 when you're still a babyface with $1k to your name and not enough credit to lease a Nissan Leaf.

    Yep, agreed. Sex is a side effect to the effort you put into yourself, your own comfort, your own happiness, your own stability. Unless you are quite literally in the 2-3% who are natural alphas with natural masculine nature, you have to put an effort into yourself, not into women.

    Even if you're in the bottom 2-3% of men in the world, putting an effort into yourself gets you in the top 20% no matter what your disabilities and shortcomings are. Once you're in that top 20%, you're going to be in the top 5-10% once you're in your 30s. No doubt about it. I've done enough mentorship in the past 15+ years that I've seen it over and over and over: put an effort in even if you're bottom 5% omega at 23, and by 31 you will be in the top 10% of all men your age.

    We laugh here about women hitting the Wall but that's only because we see them. We don't see the guys who hit the wall because they're totally anonymous.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I've seen it over and over and over: put an effort in even if you're bottom 5% omega at 23, and by 31 you will be in the top 10% of all men your age.

    Thank you. One of my biggest frustrations is trying to educate incels. It is so important to them to believe that everything is fate. It is almost like they are at their core like women in their thinking. Make yourself into the man you want to be. It is a matter of will. You set your mind to it and you simply DO IT!

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      [–]abdada 20 points21 points  (6 children)

      You need to get some reflection in you. It isn't well supported on Reddit's TRP community but I suggest you take a break from the gym for 2 weeks and spend some time with a bunch of disabled dudes. Volunteer at a wheelchair basketball camp in summer or something. Check it out. Don't do this as charity, do this as self reflection.

      As for career/financial independence, you need to write a budget down in a spreadsheet and maintain it weekly. My budget program requires a 12 month reverse budget but it's well reviewed by those who follow it. If you can't do that, just keep your spreadsheet and enter 3 columns per spending item: "Survival" amount of what you spent as an absolute minimum cost of survival, "Thrive" amount of what you'd want to spend beyond survival but not quite luxury level, and "Arrival" amount of that line that you'd spend if money was no option. So if your rent is $1200 a month, maybe you'll put in "$600" of that towards survival, $300 towards thrive and $300 towards arrival.

      At the end of the month, multiply the Thrive and Arrival totals by 173, 520 and 1220 to see how much you're harming your net worth in 10, 20 and 30 years by spending that amount each month. This will clarify if you're going to get where you want to get by age 32, 42 and 52. Then cut back on that category to get there by that age.

      Men aged 18-22 have it pretty easy compared to 26-30. The last 4 years of your 20s can be absolute horseshit even if you are making bank, have a nice pad and car, and are dating HB8s in their late teens or early 20s.

      [–]youngchappa 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      How would the last 4 years of your 20s be shit if u have bank, car and hb ?

      [–]hammerhearth 20 points21 points  (2 children)

      Because by your late twenties your grandparents are dead, your brother moved away, your best friends married away, and your aging parents sold the house you grew up in.

      You've learned of the divorce rates and absurd housing prices. You've learned that your work friends are not your real friends. You've learned HR at work doesn't care for your best interests but the company's best interests.

      You've learned you can make decisions that can kill you long before you actually die.

      [–]youngchappa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Op said that having a nice pad, good job and car in your late 20s can still be horse shit? My buddies won't be married in their late twenties, but probably will be in their 30s

      So don't really understand why you late twenties would be shit compared to 30s

      More chance of all that bad stuff happening in your 30s, like friends getting married.

      [–]hammerhearth 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      There's more to life than a nice car and a hot babe.

      [–]abdada 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      How would the last 4 years of your 20s be shit if u have bank, car and hb ?

      Because you have all of these things that Kanye tells you to get in some low IQ English song and they all require constant care, upkeep, maintenance, insurance, attention, etc...and you don't feel like you're really better off. You got this and then you realize "holy shit all that work and this bullshit requires MORE work??

      Age 29 sucks for a male -- a successful one or a failure. Either way, you almost 30 and you're looking at 35+ years more of work and can not believe it's only gotten tougher.

      [–]Gozsayin2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Same boat 22 The gozsayin2 edition vs Taylor Swift's song what a difference

      [–]mishasam89 8 points9 points  (13 children)

      There's nothing worse than being a man under the age of 31 in any society. Even if you're a high value 20-something,

      Why? Do women not take us seriously before that or what? is it money, status, looks, maturity, or what?

      [–]abdada 47 points48 points  (11 children)

      Why? Do women not take us seriously before that or what? is it money, status, looks, maturity, or what?

      Well, women don't take money, status, looks or maturity seriously anyway. If you interview them they'll say these are important things but that's their rational brain attempting to communicate, and hypergamy isn't about being rational. Women admire men who are confident and charismatic. That's Game. That's TRP.

      There is evidence that men become more confident after 30 -- especially with TRP foundations. There is also evidence that men over 30 gain massive SMV points in charisma for one simple reason: they're now the age when most women are past The Wall.

      Imagine that you're 28 years old and the women your age just want to get married and settle down with beta bucks. You're not him, right? But you're still not really getting to date as many women as you want -- mostly because you're uncertain if maybe you SHOULD marry and settle down because WTF will happen when you're a 30-something old dude? Incel is a fear at 28 for men.

      But you hit 30, 31 and all of a sudden all those 30-something women are now single. They banged their way through many Chads and no one wants the sloppy body and haggard frown marks. So tons of women start hitting you up -- you're 30-something, you're getting your shit together, you've got just enough sexual experience that you don't blow your load after 30 seconds of dry humping. You now have nearly endless women your age who are hitting you up. So you grow confidence because if you need an easy lay, all your "friends" from high school are banging on your door.

      The thing is, confidence with post-Wall women translates beautifully to pre-Wall women. And you're more mature. You're getting that George Clooney cocky smile going. Maybe your voice is dropping a bit because you're not in a rush to get the words out. You're carrying yourself a bit better. It's not maturity, it's experience.

      I was always an ugly short dude with a lisp but I never had problems with women. Even at the age of 15 I was dating more than I could handle. This is because my dad and my mentors impressed on me that women love confidence and guys who don't take shit seriously (charisma). In my 20s, I owned a very popular nightclub -- women were a dime a dozen.

      And yet, with all of that, at age 31 I lost 7 figures in a divorce. I was so poor I lived in a basement studio apartment. I couldn't afford to turn on the electricity for 6 months -- I had little camping lanterns to read by. No fridge. No hot water heater. No oven (I used a propane camping stove, lol). I was buying mystery cans from the grocery store for 19 cents each and hoping for tuna and not natto.

      But guess what?

      Women went ape shit for me. I was a broke, ugly, short dude with $0 and they'd come over to my house with sushi and wine and be impressed at "how romantic" it was to dine by LED lanterns.

      Why is that? It's because I hit this super confident stage, this state of dont-give-a-fuck-itis, maybe. So I dated more as a broke 31 year old than I did as a millionaire 25 year old. And I dated better quality women on top of that.

      Now I'm in my mid-40s and life is fucking ridiculous. My girlfriend's hamster spins 24/7 based on how women IOI me in front of her. Her coworkers ask who I am. She knows if she fails me she gets replaced, which is why her ass is at the gym 4 times a week and she tracks her macros and wears cute dresses and offers a blowjob every time she sees me. It's great. My last 3 girlfriends were all amazing, still love them all and never had any drama or concerns.

      My best bud is 52 now. Looks 52, but he's in pretty good shape without being Arnold ripped. He dates the same age range I do and he doesn't spend 1 cent or 1 second on anyone but himself. He said his 50s are better than his 40s but that it all came together in his early 30s. And he was a hot piece of ass magazine model in his 20s, so he was at the top of the male SMV curve for 20-something but he had no patience, no charisma, no confidence. He didn't have his shit together, he didn't broadcast an air of personality strength like he does now.

      [–]Cesare_MA 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Buying/running a nightclub sounds like something I’d wanna do. Any tips on getting into the industry or what to look for when buying/starting a club?

      [–]abdada 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Yeah, don't do it, lol. Everyone steals from you -- employees, customers, suppliers, friends. If you aren't watching, you're getting robbed.

      I made money for one reason: I got in when the neighborhood was gross and dangerous and 6 months later white kids moved into it. Gentrification is a huge piece of luck but it's the reason a lot of bars and restaurants do better than others. Once the rents go up, you're screwed.

      Also, there are payoffs to make at every level of government and nefarious third parties.

      [–]subzero416 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      did running/starting a nightclub provide your financial independence

      [–]abdada 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      did running/starting a nightclub provide your financial independence

      No, saving more than I earned in everything I did provided that. I lost money on 4 out of 5 businesses I was an investor in, but I made enough in the 20% that I could save more than I spent.

      I'm 44 and retired but I don't have cable or broadband at home because I can't afford it.

      Well, I could afford it if I found value in it, but honestly blowing 6 figures on cable and broadband in a decade is stupid. Other people do it every day. 6 figures on cable + internet.

      [–]Grimsterr 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      I'm confused, 6 figures on cable + internet in a decade? That's like 850 a month for 10 years, what?

      [–]abdada 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I'm confused, 6 figures on cable + internet in a decade? That's like 850 a month for 10 years, what?

      Math is up at poor-me (dot com) using the 173X rule.

      • Average cable bill in the US is $105 per month but you have to analyze that yourself. $105 x 173 = $18,165 in a decade.
      • Average broadband internet bill in the US is $61 per month. $61 x 173 = $10,552 in a decade
      • Average dude spends money on Netflix, Spotify and Hulu for some strange reason. $30 a month x 173 = $5190

      So for the average person in the uS, you're looking at $33,907 lost opportunity cost at today's rates.

      Except...cable TV has gone up 39% in 5 years. Broadband has gone up 24% in 5 years. Lots of dudes spend money on top of this for all the other useless digital entertainment that destroys motivation using the dopamine-motivation connection.

      To get to an actual 6 figures of lost opportunity value in a decade you have to spend $578/month on digital entertainment in today's dollars -- which isn't that hard to do. I do a lot of budget reviews for FIRE kids in Chicago and SoFla and the average young dude is spending MORE than that in digital distractions a month, on average. It's actually less than that in 2018 dollars because of the massive price hikes that occur constantly. I heard morons are spending $1100 on their smartphone upgrades, wtf.

      I don't need that shit. 1GB data plan on my 4" smartphone is more than enough with free WiFi every 5 feet outside of my home.

      [–]Grimsterr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Yeah my mind was literally cramping when the single mom who lived next door, she was on all sorts of aid and working as a waitress, had a break in and lost her TV and gaming systems (yup plural) games and some other stuff and I was talking to her and asked about her renter's insurance. "Can't afford it" her and both daughters had iPhones and she had cable and internet but nope, no insurance. People just have their priorities so out of wack.

      [–]abdada 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      People just have their priorities so out of wack.

      Be thankful. The more useless crap you can invest in to sell to mental midgets watching CNN and Game of Thrones, the more wealth transfer occurs from you to them.

      Remember that 80% of the population (per Pareto) will slave their entire lives for $0 net worth at the end of it. That means that 80% of the mongrels of the world are slaving for someone else, voluntarily.

      Take advantage of this. Promote all of the crap you would never spend a dime on, as long as you're invested in it.

      [–]swingshift6381 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      All 4. Young men the real and absolute truth is this. All you need to know to survive & thrive in life is the “ game of life” marriage/ children / good father/ provider / is a absolute lie. Despite everything you read on this form blaming women the truth is this they are only the symptoms of the disease the true sicknesses government

      [–]SmilingWatermelon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Thank you for this comment. As a young man I'm looking forward to cultivating a high value life.

      Comments like these remind me it's all worth it.

      [–]Kalidane 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      If only we had a clue at college age.

      [–]NofapFrance 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Man im a 16yo who discovered TRP 6months ago and damn, thanks for the motivation for now I can only focus on my studies ,improving myself physically and mentally and reading books, learning new hobbies.

      [–]HappyMexican 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I am turning 30 This year as well. Glad to see that there are still great years ahead after 30. I feel very nervous about ageing.

      [–]abdada 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      It's normal, don't sweat it. I turned 44 this year and I can't believe how much better it's been than even 43. I am consistently shocked and surprised by it. And I mentor guys for a hobby and I still can't believe it's getting better when it really shouldn't be per what the media advertises.

      This morning I was hanging out with a "female hero" of mine (she's a relatively famous sailor and captain and owner of a fleet of charters). She's late 30s, hot as hell for her age and we were discussing aging and captaining.

      She told me "You don't need a bra or makeup. Your hair doesn't matter, bald is beautiful on a captain. There are guys who are 70 years old who are still raising the mainsails by human strength." It's really amazing to hear this from a woman who is younger than me, more successful than me and probably stronger than me in certain skills. But she's already feeling the pain and she's top 1% of her gender. And I'm obviously still not even peaking yet. I keep thinking "well, maybe next year I'll have peaked."

      My current GF is a looooooot younger than me but she's mate guarding me from women younger than her. It's hilarious and it's impossible to go to the media and write a movie about it because fat fucks like Lena Dunham won't allow it.

      [–]__ROOSTER__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      truth and wait until you are high value 40 and 50... it actually only gets better.

      [–]spencerc25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Been struggling with my current path in life because I [27, M] have been working my ass off today to enjoy a better tomorrow. Things are set up to really take off for me ~29-31 years old. Glad to hear these words as a reminder that I'm on the right path.

      [–]0wnieee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      hahahha your high school story is amazing because I know its true.

      [–]Omnibrad 179 points180 points  (10 children)

      Fast forward 4 years and I was still a stay-at home mom, while my husband was travelling A LOT for work, I still hadn't lost some of my pregnancy weight, our sex life was dead and I was miserable.

      She has a top 5-10% guy providing her with the sort of lifestyle that most women only dream about, and she's miserable because she can't be bothered to put down the fork every once in a while.

      When I was younger I couldn't discriminate between good women and bad women. Hot body = good enough for me. As I've gotten older I realize that it doesn't take much work at all to become attractive, for either gender, but so many people fail to put any effort at all. Now I can spot the 20 somethings that will look ugly in their 30s and I'm not even attracted to them anymore.

      [–]thomascoopers 63 points64 points  (2 children)

      But the poor thing had to stay at home and be a parent, dude. Can't you see the great injustice she's been served?


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        [–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 28 points29 points  (0 children)

        [–]Magnum256 18 points19 points  (1 child)

        As I've gotten older I realize that it doesn't take much work at all to become attractive, for either gender, but so many people fail to put any effort at all.

        This is 100% truth. I've had points in my life where I was out of shape and depressed and honestly the amount of work it took me to go from my worst to my best was fairly minimal in hindsight. Change in diet that wasn't even very punishing (no sugar, no junk food, still eat tons of food I enjoy) and a modest amount of hours in the gym. Even the busiest person can find time to stay reasonably fit, which will make them much more attractive than if they allow themselves to become unfit.

        [–]RedKingRising 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        The flower of youth becomes easier to spot with age.

        [–]babykittycutie 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        What indicates to you that a 20 something will be ugly in her 30s?

        [–]Ivan_The_Reddish 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        I can't speak for him, but basically for me it's seeing different people who look similar but are at different life stages. With enough exposure you start to see patterns and you can visualize what a given person will look like in 10 or 20 years. Who will develop a frowny resting bitch face, who's going to hit the wall hard, who's going to start looking like a man as they get older (Carrie Underwood anyone?), and who's going to age well and still be better looking at 40 than most chicks are at 20.

        [–]jimmysax99 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        The #1 thing, look at her mother. Her mother might be butt ugly and she may be the darling of the dance, but in the not to distant future, she will look just like her mother 95% of the time. This you can bank on!

        [–]daveofmars 183 points184 points  (13 children)

        All the things he did right:

        • Handsome
        • Good job
        • Supported her
        • Was a great dad

        All the things he did wrong:

        • Traveled for work???

        All the things she did right:

        • ???

        All the things she did wrong:

        • Didn't lose weight
        • Didn't have sex - and seemed to be a prude in the bedroom
        • Was resentful about choosing to be a stay at home mom

        Thanks OP for this classic example, because this teaches several lessons: 1) As far as we can tell with this example, no matter how good you are as a husband and father you can still be cut loose if she isn't satisfied. 2) Some women are terrible about judging their options after a divorce. 3) Generally, there're more optimistic outcomes for divorced men than divorced women.

        [–]Ricardo2991 69 points70 points  (3 children)

        The worst part is that she actively tried to prevent him from having a high SMV. She wanted him to quit his good job, wouldn't have sex with him, and tried to make him boring. He likely was higher SMV from the start, and due to deep rooted issues and insecurities she has, she couldn't just accept that he was a good man with good values who loved her and his son. It's actually really sad, because she hit the jackpot and threw it all away because of insecurity.

        [–]SKRedPill 22 points23 points  (2 children)

        I wonder why women have this penchant for destruction of value. As much as I study the betaization process, it quite doesn't explain the negativity and the ego - there's an actual mental disease at work. She hates being a mother, hates herself, blames husband, and her child likes her husbands girlfriend. This isn't just the regular hamster - this is a woman with issues and obsessed with negativity.

        Now maybe her ex's SMV has shot up, she's feeling attracted again. He better ensure she never walks into his door again.

        [–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Just supposition here: it may be related to concepts like "crabs in a bucket" or "misery loves company."

        Science may not entirely understand why people exhibit these behaviors, but we definitely can agree that these behaviors do occur in a substantial portion of the human population.

        My guess is that such seemingly self destructive behavior (specifically including trying to bring others down around you) is the result of a lack of problem solving skills. Perhaps people act like crabs in a bucket because it seems easier to bring other people down than it is to objectively analyze why you are unhappy, what it would take to be happier, how to do achieve it, and then acting on that plan ...and then constantly reevaluating each of those steps and acting on a new plan periodically for the rest of your life.

        Compared to that, sabotaging others may seem like less effort, especially if you have neither the training nor intelligence to productively problem solve issues in your life.

        [–]BewareTheOldMan 29 points30 points  (3 children)

        Guy does virtually everything right in a marriage, wife gets bored, divorces, and regrets the decision now that her life is much worse off AFTER divorce.

        One of the principal reasons for this behavior is that women are told on virtually every female media/social media platform they "deserve" the very best, but without almost no mention of what they have to do to EARN the very best man and all this princess treatment.

        Even worse is all the praise heaped on Divorced Single Mothers or Never-Married Single Mothers who never connect the dots on how much harder life gets AFTER divorce - especially with children.

        Very few divorced women raise their quality of life post-divorce. Most suffer an extreme financial hit to their income. Child support and alimony results in many women having to work AND still perform household and mother duties, but without regular assistance from a husband. Alimony and child support rarely allows a woman to just sit around and survive from passive income. After divorce, their life almost ALWAYS becomes increasingly difficult.

        It sucks for men as it relates to finances, but if he continues self-improvement in all major areas of his life, he eventually improves to a point where he is much more financially stable and still desirable to other women...kind of like the guy mentioned in the Summary Posting.

        It basically played out that way for me as well. Even now as my kids have reached adulthood, the ex-wife is still struggling financially and always dealing with life-problems.

        I continued to be active and influential with my kids, and my earnings improved over the years, with the ex-wife taking note of this development and was regularly moved to anger based on her stupid decision to break up a good situation.

        [–]SKRedPill 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        They're told they deserve the very best, but not only is absolute perfection an impossibility, they're never told that they also should do their best, or actually have to do something to make their moments better.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        One of the principal reasons for this behavior is that women are told on virtually every female media/social media platform they "deserve" the very best, but without almost no mention of what they have to do to EARN the very best man and all this princess treatment.

        One of the principal reasons for this behavior is that women are gullible and stupid. FTFY

        [–]thomascoopers 20 points21 points  (3 children)

        A ll the things she did right: • ???

        What do you mean?! She existed. She is a woman. That's all she needed to do. Right? Right?

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          [–]thomascoopers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          I think we should give our friend a little credit - I'm sure if he could be given the pill, he'd take it. Sounds like he will do okay without, for now.

          [–]FlamingAmmosexual 48 points49 points  (2 children)

          I love the "you go girl!" comments in these types of threads.

          Don’t listen to these weirdos claiming that being a single mom over 30 means you’re some worn-out man repeller. I’m a single mom who’s older than you, has a toddler full-time (so, no nights off) AND I’m not slim or fit by any means, and I had no trouble finding dates.

          Desperate guys or men with self-esteem issues don't count sweetheart.

          Get some therapy, get secure with your choices, and then put yourself out there. There’s a better life out there waiting for you, I promise.

          Yes because she's going to find a man just like her ex-husband that will take her prudish fat ass over a younger, thinner, kinkier model.

          [–]truedemocracy3 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          'no trouble finding dates', yep a woman ON REDDIT who is 30+ with a kid and isn't 'slim by any means' i.e. fucking fat can get dates.

          I am sure these are good qualities dudes lmao

          [–]jimmysax99 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Yep, as long as her face is semi attractive and she is not morbidly obese, there will be a beta to cater to her. Of course she has to put out for him most likely, or at least put out until he marries her. Then all bets are off.

          [–]lasteem1 37 points38 points  (1 child)

          I’m actually surprised by the post written by the woman. I expected her to blame everything on her ex, but she kinda owned up to her screw up-as much as a female can. Most women in her situation would just start making up horrific things about their ex.

          [–]magx01 21 points22 points  (0 children)

          It's probably a mgtow or trp guy in disguise.

          [–]Alchemist_XP 125 points126 points  (39 children)

          Holy fucking shit this couldn’t be more PERFECT! This post embodies PERFECTLY the problem with women today. Here we have a woman, 4 years after having a baby and still not working(Gee wonder why?) still has yet to lose pregnancy weight, admitted she wasn’t interested in spicing up the bedroom. Not to mention a man simply cannot win in this department, if a man sits at home all day, he’s useless and the woman leaves! If the man stays at work all day, the woman complains he’s never around, thinks she can find something better(keep in mind that’s an overweight 32 year old single mother) and will again, leave. It’s amazing he thinks she can upgrade, from this dude who is the father of her son, a great dad, and hard worker!

          This is why I don’t feel bad for most women anymore. They put themselves in these situations far too often. Men are happy to work, go home, eat their meal, and they are happy. Women constantly think they deserve better simply because they can push another human out of their pussy. It’s absurd!

          I actually enjoy browsing pof for this reason. I never message women on that site anymore, I just read the 25+ year olds who have kids and all their demands! It’s fucking hilarious!

          [–]1kevin32 27 points28 points  (9 children)

          I actually enjoy browsing pof for this reason. I never message women on that site anymore, I just read the 25+ year olds who have kids and all their demands! It’s fucking hilarious!

          Plenty of profiles like this on r-WhereAreAllTheGoodMen.

          [–]CapitaineCapitalisme 12 points13 points  (8 children)

          If only the mods of WhereAreAllTheGoodMen weren't dumber than a bag of rocks.

          [–]cuggwy 6 points7 points  (7 children)

          It's a comedy page I enjoy it, just the mods are way to into it with anger issues towards women

          [–]CapitaineCapitalisme 3 points4 points  (6 children)

          I love the sub, but that Russian mod with "two beautiful wives" is an oversensitive prick. He banned me for suggesting that his post about a 20-something virgin waiting for marriage (or something to that effect) might not belong on the sub.

          [–]cuggwy 3 points4 points  (5 children)

          Now that sounds like a prick the sub is supposed to be the female Mirror for nice guys unfortunately it seems the mods are actual nice guys.

          Can I assume he doesn't have two Russian wives?

          [–]CapitaineCapitalisme 2 points3 points  (4 children)

          A guy with two wives and six children is definitely not a nice guy, probably just bitter. I'm Orthodox myself and polygamy is not legally recognized in Russia or any other Orthodox nation to my knowledge. Probably got married in Kazahstan lol

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            [–]motzart73 13 points14 points  (0 children)

            As MC Hammer says, you can’t touch this

            [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

            In my area, the vast majority of the women on POF are fat single mothers.

            got you beat

            [–]Alchemist_XP 24 points25 points  (2 children)

            Oh fuck ya bro! They all think they are still a catch too! The cringe is almost too much to handle!

            [–]TheDialecticParadox 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            They have to keep up the delusion otherwise they actually have to take some accountability and hit the gym/get a job GASP

            [–]Alchemist_XP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Double GASP when she sees her man do that after she leaves!!! Hahaha

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              [–]PS2Errol 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              So just to be clear, how many were ones who would be even remotely interesting?

              [–]motzart73 5 points6 points  (11 children)

              I’m in Australia, amongst my friends it’s both guys with children or not going fuck this I’m out... it’s good to see...too many men, maybe beta bucks just go along with a shit marriage.. get the fuck out, make yourself happy, you only have one life .

              [–]Magnum256 7 points8 points  (2 children)

              too many men, maybe beta bucks just go along with a shit marriage

              not just marriages but relationships in general

              I've been criticized for this opinion but I think happiness should be key, not duty, not obligation, if you're miserable in a relationship/marriage (for any reason) then get the fuck out and find ways to enjoy life instead of staying with someone just because you feel you have to, or because you feel you can't do better, or whatever other rationale you come up with. I'd rather keep rolling the dice trying to find someone compatible who makes me happy instead of settling with a shitty situation just because it's convenient.

              [–]motzart73 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Women go on about equality... If men are equally not happy get out... Do it for yourself and your children if you have them? make the move to being a better happy person.

              [–]CapitaineCapitalisme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I agree with the sentiment, but you shouldn't just walk out of a marriage like that. Vows and the future of Western civilization aside, a majority of married couples thinking of divorce that stayed together described themselves as "happy" five years later.

              [–]Alchemist_XP 17 points18 points  (7 children)

              Dude I know what you mean, I got a story for you.. my very best friend(I’m sorry if you read this bro, I know you use reddit a lot) is with this girl, she’s constantly a bitch to him, snobby, doesn’t put out much. But he’s always very reasonable with her. I try and tell him women aren’t going to respond to your reasoning. It’s beta and will turn her off and make her upset no matter how sound the reasoning is. But he thinks me and my red pill advice is some sorta weird mgtow advice that won’t work. I’m terrified for him because he is a huge go getter. He has a super dope career ahead of him. But he lives with a lazy woman who makes half what he does and she forced him to evict his tenants. But you think she’s going to fork over more money for the house? Fuck no. Not to mention she’s super good friends with her mom, and her mom totally took a dude for a ride and took everything she possibly could from him.

              Oh just wait it gets better!

              In 2016 my buddy tried to break up with her. And I know this guy very well, if he’s leaving a women, it’s because he is REALLY at the end of his rope. But suddenly he pipes up and says “GET OUT OF MY HOUSE WERE DONE” ... well now the crying starts and he “but I love you” and all sorts of whining to win him back. She convinces him she will do counselling. (Oh look now the woman is being reasonable when the man holds all the cards) ... of course my buddy now feeling bad, agrees. Now it’s the same shit all over again but low and behold she somehow got pregnant less than a year after. Was a surprise to my buddy as well since he wanted to wait.

              Anyways... I feel like I just watched my best friend, despite all my advice, throw all his assets into this woman’s corner, right before his career and status really takes off. Ugh.


              Again bro I know you know I’m on this sub, I hope you didn’t read this!!!!!! 😄😇

              [–]magx01 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              Now it’s the same shit all over again but low and behold she somehow got pregnant less than a year after.

              They are fucking ruthless, immoral creatures.

              [–]motzart73 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              I’d seriously keep telling him, having been in an unhappy relationship myself.. I’d tell him, if it was a woman she would of left.. get a lawyer and get out now .. edited due to bad typos

              [–]Alchemist_XP 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              I’ve tried man. He won’t do it. It’s tough but it’s his life, I can’t keep pestering him.

              [–]Cantloginhere 26 points27 points  (5 children)

              Lot of posts saying they've seen this before, I have too plenty. But ever notice how in the movies it never works out like this?

              The mother always re-marries a CEO with a big house who somehow is a beta that doesn't have to spend much time at the office. The ex husband lives in a bedsit and pines after her.

              Guarantee that was what she thought was going to happen.

              [–]HerefortheTuna 7 points8 points  (3 children)

              watch Mad Men to see what happens to the ex-wife (and the broken family)

              [–]Rudeyyyy 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              LOL my favorite show. Betty divorces Don after he opens up to her about him being Dick Whitman. Then later on we see Betty marries the old high status henry francis. I'm not sure if they even fuck in the show lol. Betty goes on a camping trip with Don and Bobby and Betty fucks don in the hotel. As Betty is married to Henry we see Don shacking up with his hot secretary Allison, then he fucks Megan and eventually marries her for whatever reason. Sally likes Meg better and Betty feels alone and miserable. Although I gotta say....January Jones can still get it.

              [–]Trenned_out 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Mad Men is one of my all time favorite shows as well. It has so many red pill truths yet still portrays the characters realistically, Don is alpha as fuck, yet you see his insecurities and inner turmoil.

              I'm sure a bunch of keyboard warriors will say thats "beta" but I think the beauty of the show is you see the reality of alpha, having your issues and insecurities, sometimes faltering, but ultimately overcoming them.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Television and movies are for women and idiots. Anyone who watches them deserves their fate.

              [–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (6 children)

              There is nothing married friends post wall wives hate more than seeing a guy thrive after divorce. You can see the panic in their eyes when you bring a size 2 plate that is 10-15 years younger to an event and they are praying their high earning henpecked husband/slave doesn’t realize they could do the same.

              [–]crawtators 51 points52 points  (2 children)

              Fuck this could not be more accurate. When the 40ish year old newly divorced exec at work brings his 30ish post divorce girl to work events...the wives club goes into a fit and tries to pick her apart. "Her crab dip was terrible". No shit becky...she doesnt lard around on HGTV all day and actually hits the gym every once in a while.

              [–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (1 child)

              They befriended the girl strictly to gather intel.

              They then started in on me too. Suddenly I was immature and reckless because I dressed better, wore contacts and bought the car and motorcycle I wanted. Every single friend commented that their wife had turned on me. They all said it with a laugh but it was also a warning. If a woman leaves a man they all cheer her courage. When a guy leaves a woman he is a scum bag regardless of the circumstances. They are afraid he is going to realize what has happened to him.

              [–]crawtators 21 points22 points  (0 children)

              Ive seen it happen twice at work. They dont even befriend her. She is a pariah at events...no woman speaks to her...she is forced to either follow around the mister or play on her phone. Worst is one of the times...the wives club kept the ex in the loop on everything and brought her to some work events just to prohibit mr. Exec from bringing his new girl.

              [–]SickOfIt518 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              Can confirm. My Harley riding cousin dumped his working from home, fat, bitchy wife and got a hot former model with a much better personality. As soon as he started showing up with her at his riding hangout spots all the wives turned on him forcing the husbands to follow and his ex-wife wasn't even liked. It was merely the threat that his friends could do the same that did him in.

              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              It’s an opportunity to upgrade and find better friends because chances are your friends when you were acting like a beta bitch are not going to be a good fit when you snap out of it. It took me about a week to realize my wife had slowly alienated me from my fun friends as she gravitated to couple friends where the husband “was so nice and treated his wife well” aka a doormat.

              [–]SickOfIt518 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Very true. He actually wound up moving out of the state to a very red one and is happy there.

              [–]Mightycoolguy 21 points22 points  (3 children)

              She mentions that even her child likes the gf. As far as I know, if a child is loved by their parents, they will vehemently oppose a step parent, or in this case, the gf.

              Tells a lot about her.

              [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Definitely not that simple. Emotions from children in a divorce are all over the place, and they come from a place where the child can't possibly understand the dynamics involved.

              With my parents split I started out demonizing my mother, then as I "grew wiser" my father (blue pill), then eventually realized that failure is a design feature (red pilled).

              I mean in my case the step parents were definately an issue, but also I learned over time that high value partners post divorce are pretty rare. So you interact with a lot of trash. It's a market for lemons in economic terms.

              More likely than it being an issue of divorce, I'd bet this g/f was a pretty HV type, well socialized and what not. I remember one of my fathers girlfriends that eventually dumped him was able to avoid triggering hostility. The way I think of it to this day is that she was above my father and figured it out.

              Those are the types of people that can fire you and by the time you leave they've somehow convinced you that it was your fault, it was the right time to leave and gaw dawning, Sue is just the sweetest....

              Then sitting in your car it hits you that you just got canned.

              [–]Razkolol 81 points82 points  (8 children)

              TRP in action. Now she'll prob get a beta to support her that she'll never respect because ex is the fucking man. That or cats. Pretty sad from her perspective. A women should secure a man's commitment, not stir shit up and try to mess his life up. If the guy wouldn't come home from trips to arguments and counseling but instead to blowjobs they'd still be a happy family.

              [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 67 points68 points  (7 children)

              Women want commitment, but lose attraction when they get it.

              Unless the man knows how to run elite level dread game from day 1, this shit will keep on happening

              [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

              I will never be able to express in words how bloody true this statement is. I have tried just about every approach possible in a long life of dating experiences. Having an IDGAF attitude is the ONLY thing that has ever worked.

              [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 14 points15 points  (0 children)

              Same. Being prepared to walk, and dating other women maintains attraction and respect.

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

              Elite level dread game backfires

              I'm living proof

              [–]1Ramesses_ 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Perhaps make a post about it?

              [–]slogan25192 16 points17 points  (0 children)

              Somehow, it feels good when I read this. A brother saved.

              [–]plascra 13 points14 points  (1 child)

              Perfect, right?

              Those 2 words tingled my spider senses, the moment I read them... red alert red alert... "they" talk like this...

              [–]Herdsengineers 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              Hmm...imagine you're this guy, when his now ex-wife comes up and says she wants a divorce. How can his reaction not be "Thank Gawd! I can get free of this twat!"

              That's a sarcastic question - I know his reaction was very likely extreme hurt and feeling like a big failure. I hope he realizes by now he didn't fail anyone, and he's much better off now without a wife that was nothing more than a boat anchor chained to him. His ex-wife failed him and their child quite spectacularly.

              [–]Meisner1 10 points11 points  (5 children)

              In the red pill communities eye, is it okay for me to want a house wife? If i have a good stable job, my wife doesn't have to work if she doesn't want to, because as a man, i have this sense of pride to be the leader and provider of the family? What are you guys thought?

              [–]crawtators 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              Find the right woman who is willing to work hard towards a common set of goals (succesful children, homeownership, retirement)...sure. but remember biology and instinct win out over social contracts and traditions. Its too easy for women to say "fuck it...im outie and by the way gimmie 70% of our net worth and 40% of your paycheck for life". For a long time, women couldnt just walk away without social stigma or risk life failure for giving up and so they chose equivalent partners and society flourished as pairs of equals entered into binding relationships. Now the law supports women as victim in almost all circumstances amd their selection criteria has changed as such...women actively seek men they can manipulate and control or they seek out a one time paycheck (gold digger). Its increasingly rare to find a woman with high SMV who wants a LTR thats the "traditional marriage". Ive watched so many friends think they found it and now are fucked. Be careful and never underestimate the mental instability and legal upperhand of a woman.

              [–]ShadowBlaze80 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              I think it's okay. The woman's place should be at home, taking care if kids and the house. Those two things are what women are good at. My mother, despite having a job as a nurse, still cleans and takes care of the house. My dad works all day, into the night, and the least he gets to come home to a clean house. I'm sure if my dad could support the family alone, she wouldn't want a job. So I say wanting a housewifw is perfectly normal, and you should take pride if you can get one and manage to support an entire family alone.

              [–]Meisner1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Thanks, i always felt like asking for traditional values are a taboo in this day and age.

              [–]yotheman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Having a wife at home and not having a job means you will get in the near future a parasite that will make your life impossible. Its ok maybe if you have kids that she should stay at home for some time, but as soon as they start kindergarten, she should find a job and start working in the same way you do.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              I always enjoy it when a hamster thinks she can hop back on the cock carousel as a 30+ single mother living off hubby's income and it doesn't exactly go according to plan.

              She dumped the father of her child in his prime. What did she expect to happen?

              [–]Whitified 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              I like how that sub is one huge Team Women circlejerk, except on the rare occasion when a post accidentally threatens to expose some truth about women they really don't want men to know, then that woman is immediately thrown under the bus. Female solipsism > Team Women

              Women are so predictable

              [–]Matacks607 8 points9 points  (1 child)

              Haha. She made her bed. Now she can sleep in it.

              [–]iLoveReddit32 33 points34 points  (5 children)

              Un-fucking-believable. Men cannot win. It is best to simply not marry. Marriage is not the same as it was 50 years ago.

              [–]travelling_chap 15 points16 points  (4 children)

              I disagree - I think the OP shows that men DO win... this dude completely won. His life would have been miserable if he stayed with her... she gave him the best gift ever.

              [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

              He won outside of marriage not in marriage.

              [–]travelling_chap 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Oh - I see. Yes in that context I agree - if 'winning' is by her declaration, then sure, men can't win.

              But if 'winning' is objective, then men can and do win, all the time.

              [–]iLoveReddit32 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Sure thats fair. But like that other comment said: he won by divorcing - by being single. So my point stands.

              [–]econquest 51 points52 points  (9 children)

              Your title is completely accurate, it's a fair summary ("Hamster pushed for divorce, then became jealous when ex-husband got in shape and found a younger, prettier SO").

              Your write-up though has too much anger in it!

              This woman is so honest in her write-up, she shows extreme amounts of self-awareness.

              I guess it's because the man is doing well now and she wants him, whereas if she didn't then she would be making up some story about how the man was abusive or something.

              But despite this theory I just think that her summary is very credible.

              It is good for us when women are honest online. (It helps us see the truth.) We should be very happy that she is being so honest here.

              She doesn't make herself look good in the post at all, she shows self-awareness.

              yes she is a great example of red pill truths but we should be happy she is reporting accurately about herself. She also seems quite a moral person, in the sense that she doesn't seem vindictive or anything.

              I guess it's possible that she's reporting it this way because she likes the man now, and she hides all the vindictive stuff she had done when she didn't like him but I don't get this impression.

              the write-up about the post shouldn't direct so much anger at her. We benefit from her honest report.

              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              Oh no, not this "damsel in distress" beta white-knighting BS, reminds me of "male feminists" who're in it just to be closer to women.

              I don't see OP saying it's bad for us when women aren't honest, so are you purposely making up a false claim just so you'd present an easy counter-statement to get some karma points? Perhaps, you jumped the gun, that's fine.

              But I personally don't see how the woman was

              so honest

              When she didn't actually mention the bad shit, she was pretty vague about it. "We argued a lot" the woman claimed, yet it'd seem unlikely the husband would initiate drama after coming home from work, had she have "self-awareness" she would have admitted to that and was careless about his interests.

              Claiming we have anger just makes you see things through an emotional lens and miss the points made in this thread, though I saw rightful indignation, and very truthful points made. Can't handle it and want to brush it off as "anger"? Perhaps you should go find your safe-space somewhere else. In TRP guys call out BS and tell it without adhering to PC. I wonder how someone who suffered under nazis would react if he was told not to be "angry" at nazis because it's bad. I think you have the right to be angry at someone if they did bad stuff, but what's important is to stay rational/resonable.

              No one here was not unappreciative of some of the truths that the woman said (though, she never gave specifics, only that she wasn't being rational and she should find a way to proceed in a healthy manner), appreciating her honesty is one thing, justifying her divorce and god knows what kind of nasty stuff she did that lead to it, is entirely another thing. <- this latter thing is deemed as "shaming women" by guys like you who like to come to fake "damsel in distress" and bring other TRP guys down, by playing a white knight, are sad to see. You're also not familiar with the "no morality" rule of the TRP, it'd appear.

              Almost all the older men in the TRP know what's up, and are not naive as to the motives of women. You think she wants self-improvement? If she did, she wouldn't want an easy way to get him back, asking for advice on how to do that in the relationships subreddit, she would have found a job, and started working on her behavior, although people don't really change in character past adulthood, and realize that long term relationships are a two-way street. idk if she wants to lock down a beta provider and keep shagging random dudes on the side, but if that's the case, that'd be her first step. Unless she wants to find someone who'd be okay with that.

              We benefit from her honest report

              Aye to that. Most OPs of threads like this, have it easier to admit something because they're anonymous and their identity isn't attached to what they're saying, and also trying no to appear as if they're blaming someone else for their mistakes (as they would get downvoted), they know people are likely to upvote if they come off as humble and innocent. For one thread in the OP, there are far more that were downvoted and we don't get to see, because OPs just laid out what they think, instead of adjusting their posts to get upvotes (and in the case of the woman - "hamster", get better chances at getting advice, as people unlikely to give advice to someone who's seen as selfish/prude etc).

              She also seems quite a moral person,

              Oh boy, you should look at the facts, not at how she words some of her sentences. But I guess if you wanna make assumptions in her favor, be my guess. But I wouldn't give her a pat on the back saying she deserves the husband back, she deserved what she sow. She deserves depending on what she's gonna do about it. If she's truly willing to work on herself, then it will pay off for her ¯_(ツ)_/¯

              [–]acidicbitchdotcom 17 points18 points  (1 child)

              This is exactly correct, I couldn’t agree more. Accurate self assessment should be praised. Maybe she messed up, maybe she’s ridiculous, but she’s far ahead of the kind of woman who goes all sour grapes. This is a very illustrative story, but she’s also opening herself up to the possibility of improving her own life with this kind of honest acceptance of reality, not to mention the life of whatever random dude she may end up with later.

              [–]AndyCandyHandySandy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Yeah these are good points. Shaming women, or any person will make them setup walls and close down. It’s probably the source of these ridiculous stories you see to justify selfish acts. It’s better to just say oh you know what I’ve been a selfish cunt and fucked up and now I suffer from it rather than make up some victim story nobody buys into. It really just comes down to cowardice. This lady will get more heat from the public for being honest instead of making a sob story, which she obviously deserves. But unlike the lady next to her making up stories, this one has the potential to grow through her self-awareness and find social redemption. In many ways it’s similar to how the first step when reading RP is admitting to yourself you’ve been a fucking loser, no matter how proud you are, because connecting with your humility is what’s going to ignite personal growth. Her honesty will carry her further than she realizes.

              [–]chaosmech 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              In my opinion, the reasonableness and self - reflection by a supposedly female author is suspicious... makes me think it's actually a guy writing it

              [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              was gonna write up similar comment, glad someone already wrote it. i feel kinda sad for her. it's a shitty situation that I've witnessed more than once where the man works and travels a lot and the woman stays at home. it doesn't create a healthy relationship because both aren't spending and enjoying time together enough. that leads to a lot of desperate decisions. shit just didn't work out.

              [–]magx01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Probably written by a man in disguise.

              [–]AltBuzzer 21 points22 points  (0 children)

              "Live well, it is the greatest revenge." - The Talmud

              [–]Twobithatter 16 points17 points  (0 children)

              Reading that post made me smile a little. I’m glad he didn’t turn into a loser and she realized what she lost

              [–]420KUSHBUSH 16 points17 points  (0 children)

              Three things are certain in life; death, taxes, and human stupidity

              [–]Shakydrummer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Of course it'd be in the relationships subreddit too. More often then not it's just women hamstering and excusing themselves from blame.

              [–]anonlymouse 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              The husband stayed faithful, yet to her that wasn't perfect, she wanted him to leave his job(?) to spend more time with her, yet had the husband did so, she'd have left him after a while because he'd no longer be providing her and their kid with quality life, and would have turned into a loser just like she is.

              I experienced that with my ex common-law. She wanted me to spend more time with her, but when I was doing that she wanted me earning more money. After trying both I realized there was no winning that game, so I'd be best off working and at least earning my own income.

              [–]jewishsupremacist88 14 points15 points  (6 children)

              if you're one of the lucky millenial men who happen to have a professional career or a good paying job this is true.

              [–]youlovethisish 23 points24 points  (2 children)

              This isn't dependent on luck. This is dependent on hustle. Luck favors the perseverant.

              [–]Pragmaticpandas 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              Get off this sub with "lucky millennial" bullshit. That's some entitled crap that you would expect from a feminist, not a man.

              [–]SKRedPill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              These are chronically sick and negative people on the inside with a penchant for destruction. Even Chad can't help them much when what's on the inside is a total mess.

              [–]Jman1994678 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              I read this too fast and thought it said hamster punched for being divorced.

              [–]0wnieee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Thank you for showing this post, Im fresh out of a breakup and Im more motivated than ever to have an awesome life :) I know I will achieve similar results to what this guy has made for himself post divorce :)

              [–]Orbiter45 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              he could still be mine if I had been more open to respond to his requests for some exploration in the bedroom, or worked on myself

              This resonates for me. I consider my commitment to my family as a personal commitment, that doesn't depend on what I'm getting out of it. So I'm not gonna leave, but if she kicks me out, I'd be really happy. And she'd feel justified at first, then she'd spend years twisting everything.

              In fact several of her friends are going through this. They have high expectations of men, and hold out or yell at them to keep them in line. But their finding out how much they need their men after things break down. But instead of realizing they took things to far, they alternate between bitch successions, and pity parties.

              [–]bdoguru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Great post OP. This lady deserves to sleep in the bed she made and i truly couldnt be happier reading about her regret. What a fool she is.

              [–]af_007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Marriage is a trap these days.

              [–]yomo86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Not really sure, but it reads like a man has written it. Too concise, too precise, no hamstering, no blaming, total accountability. And just garnished with sprinkles of feelings. Looks like RP porn to me.

              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              I love these kinds of posts.

              [–]acekilo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              I'm in the Army and this shit happens everyday. One of my Co worker just got a divorce from a cheating spouse. Keep your game tight and never put a woman before your career. This shit is real I've seen so many fucking divorce in the Marines as well so I been in for 14yrs and hear every story you can think of. Women know who the fuck they marry and what they can get later. They begin the relationship with the end in Mind. Pay attention or get played. This is not a blame thing this shit is what women do. The truth hurts but fuck them hoes and never commit. It's that simple stop trying to find trophy wife's and dime pieces. Cash before Ass ALWAYS. When will they learn. I learned long ago since I was 12 running the streets with the OG about game and how women are. I'm 35 now and the shit got worst!! Women cheat on the daily!!! Never trust them at all. And you're a fucking fool to get played when a women ask if you trust them and you say yes. If you tell her hell fucking no she can stay or leave for all I care. Man the fuck up. You don't have to trust them to Love them. Only idiots trust a woman to her own devices. Then you see them at spring breaks acting like the biggest slut ever. Call me bitter but I'm no fool!!!!

              [–]2Dmva100 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              All women lie about sexual assault and paternity when faced with hypergamous doubt when evaluating their long term man option in order to secure exclusive parental rights to the child

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Well said. Its all ASD (Anti-slut defense). If their behavior can be categorized as slutty, it lowers their SMV. They hamster to make any and all kinds of bullshit explanations/rationalizations.

              [–]thomascoopers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I haven't got enough time to read all the comments ripping the OP to shreds, and ripping any of the commenters to shreds who tried to defend the OP. Fantastic find. It was refreshing.

              [–]Kalidane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I guess you could see it as revenge. But I've seen enough Kung Fu films to know that isn't a healthy motivation.

              Better to see it as discovering the freedom to pursue one's own happiness. Being buff with your head screwed on right is important to this.

              [–]oldrunnerguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Great post, it just exemplifies the tremendously flawed reasoning of female nature. Having been married to a single mother when I had never been married or had kids prior, it amazed me at how my (now ex-) wife was tremendously skilled at changing the narrative whenever you called her out on her previous poor life decisions. Those were decisions, like it or not, that affected our marriage and relationship. With most of these women nowadays, they think the vagina trumps all. Unfortunately my stepdaughter, whom my ex-wife went to live with, now 35 and a single mother (never married), thinks that she is worthy of a "Chad", and with the same stubborn attitude of her mother, she thinks the same way in regards to the current female narrative. Sad.

              [–]AJ_Ak47 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              A boogie with wrote a 6 minute interlude on his album titled "artist"

              The song was called D.T.B. "Don't trust bitches"

              And everyday things like this show up that shows why you don't trust bitches.

              [–]truedemocracy3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              The best part about this is it happens really at the point of wall. The woman, secure in a relationship with a kid and high income husband HAS IT MADE. SHE WON THE GAME. She had a kid and family, locked down a provider in her youth, DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO WORK. This is poker, getting dealt a full house, but still having the audacity to fold your pair to chase a 4 of a kind. She probably remembered her 20s when she was younger, slimmer, and single - and could attract a plethora of great men.

              Now he is in his prime (30's, in shape apparently, great job. Granted, has a kid and divorced which still hurts but by all means good everywhere else) and she is a 30+ year old SINGLE MOTHER. She is so fucked on the dating market. Unlike much of this sub, I take no pleasure in seeing post-wall women struggle. But in cases like there where one flippantly throws away a lifetime contract that is marriage on a man who is not abusive all you can do is sit back and laugh. She is 2 years away from buying her first cat.

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