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Red Pill ExampleJordan Peterson just went full Red Pill on Joe Rogan Podcast (Talks about alfa fucks/beta bucks, sexual marketplace on college, incels, and other Red Pill theories) (self.TheRedPill)

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I was listening to Episode #1139 of the Joe Rogan Experience with Jordan Peterson yesterday, and after a discussion on hierarchies and free speech, Jordan Peterson went full Red Pill on releationships, sex, and beta bucks/alfa fucks. The interesting details is that both Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan used language and terminology that we use here!

I had suspected for a long time that both Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson have deep knowledge of gender/sexual interactions from a Red Pill view. Red Pill theory convinced me a few months ago, but hearing a Harvard educated psychologist talk about it was refreshing. Kinda makes you wonder how many of these academics have deep insight that they never share due to political corretcness.

Anyways - They start talking about Red Pill theory around 1:32:00. They start talking about “enforced monogamy”, rejection, incels, alfa bucks/beta bucks, sexual marketplace place on college campuses and then dwell into other Red Pill theory.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xc7DN-noAc

Consider yourself lucky, a Harvard psychologist is smacking Red Pill truths in your face.


[–]letterboyink 187 points188 points  (1 child)

Gets into it at about 28 minutes when he breaks down "the patriarchy" by comparing it to hierarchical structures and their inherent power due to competency

edit 1: 1:31:38 incels and hypergamy

edit 2: 1:44:00 gender pay gap

edit 3: 1:49:05 women in law firms

edit 4: 2:01:44 joe: "why are people so opposed to challenging social norms?"

edit 5: 2:07:31 Vice interview / make-up at work / sexual signals in the workplace / "no eye contact for more than 5 seconds = sexual harassment; netflix"

[–]LongElm 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You the real MVP. Thanks, man.

[–]BillyRedRocks 329 points330 points  (71 children)

Joe Rogan shat his pants as soon as he heard the word Hypergamy. At this rate there will never be a serious conversation about hypergamy on his podcast unless he somehow grows balls or he has trouble raising his daughters.

[–]ThatOneDrunkUncle 183 points184 points  (23 children)

He mentioned how that's such a scary subject. I noticed how they beat around the bush for 20 minutes about the topic, then that word was mentioned. He acknowledged it, didn't argue the idea of it, and they moved on. He tries very hard to make his guests controversial while toeing a neutral line so he can avoid the kind of labelling that JP gets. I get the feeling that he's much more RP than he'll admit.

[–][deleted] 92 points93 points  (2 children)

He has definitely been self-censoring a lot compared to the early days of the podcast. I think it's mostly to do with the liberal dominated comedy social circles he spends time with in LA.

[–]Luckyluke23 62 points63 points  (1 child)

how else is he going to get another Netflix special?

[–]Herculius 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Idk if I blame him. He can probably get 20-30 million dollars in the next 5 or six years assuming he has 3 or 4 popular specials.

[–]scottbrio 40 points41 points  (5 children)

In the early days of the podcast, he often talked about how he never wanted to get married, thought marriage was bullshit, and then eventually gave in to his now wife. He still says marriage is bullshit but did it "because it's important to her".

[–]Ignacio14 58 points59 points  (4 children)

Heh, that makes me remember his podcast with Dan Bilzerian. When Dan was telling how he wants to life the life he wants, fucking hundreds of chicks and partying instead of settling down. Joe got VERY visibly envious. lol

[–]scottbrio 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I remember that- Joe was definitely living vicariously through Dan in that moment and wearing it on his sleeve. He was like a little kid in a toy store that whole podcast lol

[–]Jampak_5000 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree, and I don't even think its a bad thing or anything like that. Its the reason we love rogan, because of his honesty. Not to say he was openly admitting his envy, but it was apparent in a way, that you could only get from rogan. Most people wouldn't even talk to Bilzarian, if there were in rogans position, let alone indulge him in that way.

[–]BillyRedRocks 24 points25 points  (13 children)

All potheads act like that. Never taking a hard side, always looking for another perspective blah blah blah. Doesn't matter if he is if he won't manifest it. APALT (All potheads are like that)

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    [–]Conquerz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    he sounds like a beta complaining about alphas because we do shit they don't.

    let him have his hard side and fight until he dies. It's his loss, not being able to change perspective must suck

    [–]omfalos 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    ASPHALT (All smoking potheads are like that)

    [–]jm51 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    ASPHALT (All smoking potheads are like that)

    To quote Frank Zappa:

    That's me! That's me!

    Consider your line stolen. Thanks.

    [–]scottbrio 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Potheads? That's quite a reach and entirely anecdotal. Joe tows the middle line because his guests are on both sides of the political spectrum, and wildly diverse in his beliefs. If he starts to sway too much to one side- his show gets lopsided and he's now another Glen Beck or Sean Hannity.

    [–]availableEXCLAMATION 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    I consume weed everyday for past 5 years, am pot head. I’ve heard other people say very similar things about pot heads, even my own father has suggested a very similar idea.

    Could you elaborate on what exactly you mean about pot heads being wishy washy about things. Or how they seem to not take hard stances on anything? Why exactly is it bad to not take hard sides on arguments? What does pot have to do with this or how does pot change people to be more susceptible to this. I am legitimately curious about this.

    My own brief insight as a pothead on this matter is Pot makes me super sensitive, so sensitive that I don’t want to be wrong about something in an argument. I see this in Joe Rogan, I see the weed making changing his personality, it’s making him timid about his beliefs. He doesn’t want to say something and be proven wrong or made to look foolish. And because of the weed, he is docile with some of his arguments.

    [–]Freedomeofchoice 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Pot tends to make you averse to confrontation when on it, so you tend to to always be passive in that sense. Probably because it is generally harder to concentrate and keep more complex arguments going. So wishy washy is the result to not offend anyone or be wrong.

    [–]BillyRedRocks 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    " My own brief insight as a pothead on this matter is Pot makes me super sensitive, so sensitive that I don’t want to be wrong about something in an argument. I see this in Joe Rogan, I see the weed making changing his personality, it’s making him timid about his beliefs. He doesn’t want to say something and be proven wrong or made to look foolish. And because of the weed, he is docile with some of his arguments. "
    You answered your own question. Being "timid" is no something you generally associate with masculinity. If you're wrong you can change your opinions based on facts but if you never have opinions you can never be right. Being afraid of being wrong = risk aversion = feminine trait. Being wishy washy means not living in reality. In reality you have to make a call, you have to make a judgement and you have to act on it. Sitting on the fence just hurts your ass. I have no idea how pot does this to people but I see it every damn time.

    [–]FlamingAmmosexual 208 points209 points  (29 children)

    He seemed more accepting of discussing race and IQ when he had Sam Harris on than going down that rabbit hole when Peterson suggested that. He really seemed uneasy when Peterson brought up women tricking men into raising children that aren't their own.

    [–]TheseNthose 104 points105 points  (18 children)

    Could be because one of his daughters is from his wife's previous relationship/marriage

    [–]scottbrio 50 points51 points  (0 children)

    That's exactly the case. He's said it many times.

    [–]assholeofthesky 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    ouch.

    maybe he doesn't want to mention it because in reality, he cucked the original dad.

    [–]FeelTheBernieSanderz 33 points34 points  (12 children)

    LMAO.

    That's got to hurt Joe's ego, not all the TRT and HGH can make up for the fact that he got.... CUCKED!

    [–]Herculius 44 points45 points  (11 children)

    No he didn't. His wife had a kid when he met her. He voluntarily raised the kid as his own.

    The conversation was about women tricking men in to thinking kids are there's when they are not.. something that didn't happen to Joe at all.

    [–]Soundmind78 16 points17 points  (10 children)

    Using your own resources to provision for the raising of another man’s progeny is by definition cuckoldry. The fact that the child (or children) was born prior to meeting the mother does not change the fact that your life energy is being spent to further genetics that are not your own. The fact merely specifies the dynamic as ‘proactive cuckoldry.’ Get the Alpha genes first, then lock down Beta provisioning. The fact that he was manipulated or “voluntarily committed” into this state of affairs does not mitigate the reality. Viewed from this perspective one can see that cuckoldry, specifically proactive cuckoldry ( Think 28-32 yo single moms ), is rampant in Western culture.

    [–]BillyRedRocks 160 points161 points  (5 children)

    Yup. Nothing is more "problematic" than something negative about women.

    [–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 78 points79 points  (2 children)

    Joe "Saying Anything Remotely Negative About Women is Problematic" Rogan

    [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Things change after you have 3 daughters I guess. His standup from 2006 he rips on women the whole time.

    [–]Luckyluke23 43 points44 points  (0 children)

    well some someone has BIG as his podcast is... maybe he is just trying to avoid a shitshow.

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Or telling him to stop eating elk.

    [–]Orsick 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Because you have way more data on IQ than hypergamy, so it's way safer to talk about that.

    [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 39 points40 points  (8 children)

    Laws of Power: Think as you wish - but act like others.

    (Also - never talk about fight club)

    [–]FeelTheBernieSanderz 15 points16 points  (2 children)

    That's in pursuit of power.

    In pursuit of truth (i.e. natural law), it is wise to open up and support an objectively true position, it is the moral action, whether you agree or not is irrelevant.

    What you pursue of course is entirely your decision. Jordan Peterson is objectively on a moral path - within reasonable boundaries. Without a doubt he knows deeper truths, but the truths he shares, are truths that his audience could be without, had it not been for JP.

    [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    That’s in pursuit of maintaining his YouTube revenue stream, as well.

    Rogan must always maintain a layer of abstraction as a buffer between him and this subject matter.

    [–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    Thats the kind of law that lets you survive at the middle levels of dominance hierarchies as you climb up. But leaders of some businesses (and cults) often stand for something completely different to conventional orthodoxy very vocally - and provided it has some truth and they gain a following then they do very well for themselves.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    I love Joe Rogan and he's redpill without knowing it but... He's raising someone else's daughter. The subject might hit home for him in some ways.

    [–]BillyRedRocks 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    I guess that's why we'll never see Rollo on his show. Even the "edgy" Molymeme couldn't handle the rational male.

    [–]dulkemaru51 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Is the conversation between Moly and Rollo available somewhere? I've searched for it frenetically without result.

    [–]BillyRedRocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Nope. Hasn't been released.

    [–]Jampak_5000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    yeah, he also recently talked about a "bit" hes doing about Katlyn Jenner, the premise being, if you live with crazy bitches, maybe you become one.

    That wasn't the interesting bit though, what he said was; as he has 3 daughters and a wife, they are stealing his manhood, and said if his manhood was a 10,000 marbles, every day they take 2-3 which seems insignificant, then one day you wakeup and you've lost your masculinity.

    [–]Joey_Lopez 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Do we really need him to bring TRP mainstream? If it gets into the mainstream females are just gonna put up bigger bitch shields to try and scare away red pilled betas. Just like feminists started all this anti street harassment because PUA's were inspiring too many betas to approach.

    [–]Gabberjacky 105 points106 points  (14 children)

    Having watched between 1:30:00 and 2hr mark, it's painfully clear to me that Rogan and JP are operating on vastly different intellectual levels. Not surprising, given that one is a podcast host and the other is an Ivy League trained psychologist with both practical clinical experience and academic accolades. At numerous points in the talk I found myself wanting to scream at Rogan "you dense motherfucker, let JP make his damn point!"... At least Rogan seemed like he legitimately wanted to have a constructive conversation rather than a so-what-you're-saying-is style witch hunt, and his frustrating ocassional derailing of the discussion with ridiculous hypotheticals seemed to come from geniune inability to fully grok JP's argument rather than malice.

    That said, I'm grateful to Rogan for giving JP this platform to express his views and there are moments when Rogan is silent long enough for JP to drop some truly thought-provoking facts and arguments. Will definitely have to watch this in it's entirety at some point.

    From a red pill perspective, what I took away from this talk is as follows: Enforced hypergamy would be ideal on a civilizational level, even if it restricted maximal sexual success for the ultra-competitive men JP mentioned who would dominate in a more polyamorous mileu. It's unlikely that we'll get back to the old-school patriarchal enforced monogamy model now that the radical feminist and sexual liberation (AKA unrestricted hypergamy) cats are out of the bag, so the best we can hope for is leveraging RP type knowledge of sexual dybamics to gradually shift the rules of the sexual marketplace so as to reign in the worst excesses of hypergamy.

    Now I'm aware that many in the RP community are of the enjoy-the-decline school of thought. Personally, I plan on having children and could not morally justify that decision if I did not simultaneously strive to improve the condition of the world I would be bringing them into. Like JP mentions, the best conditions in which to raise successful children is without a doubt a stable, caring traditional nuclear family. These are the conditions I plan to create for my children as best I can within the limits of the current sexual and social environment. As much as some cynical red pillers might mock this approach, human civilization progresses only through the birthing and raising of future generations, the figurative passing of the baton. To me nihilism and hedonism are not viable options.

    All that being said, of course I'm not advocating that we go out preaching the gospel of RP (rule #1) or laying pearls before swine. Get your own house in order (or your bed, as JP would say) before you try to change the world. But don't become so jaded by staring into the abyss of human malice and frailty that you forget that you CAN change the world, if only in your own small way.

    [–]MMDT 22 points23 points  (2 children)

    I think Patrice o Neal is the best guru for that. Since he's not necessarily about pick up game, more about how to be happy with women in the long run

    [–]FeelTheBernieSanderz 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    He was regularly frustrated with women on the black phillip show, shouting and ranting - was it for comedic effect? Seems unhealthy to be constantly annoyed.

    [–]Herculius 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    He was annoyed at feminists tropes in popular culture and was annoyed when his own women attempted to tame him and take away his desireable manly qualities. But He gave good advice for both men and women to be happy with each other.

    And in many interviews it seemed that because he stood his ground in his relationship, he had a loyal and respectful woman.

    [–]FinalPrince 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    I used to think like this but it essentially comes down to 'who cares?'

    'human civilization progresses only through the birthing and raising of future generations.' Who cares?

    Humanity also regresses through the exact same process. Once you're dead you're dead. You're like one step away from the final freeing nihilism, the truth that living a good life now is king, that raising kids is for women and cucks. In nature alphas just create the children. And with protection you don't even need to do that.

    Alphas only get involved in child rearing where the inherent disadvantages are minimal due to social structure aka patriarchy. We now exist at the complete opposite end of this deal. As soon as a woman pops out that rugrat with your name on it, you're done. Marriage, religion, law, all the institutions designed to control this shit in the first place have failed and we are rapidly regressing back to a pre-patriarchal state, that is, a fucking free-for-all, only in modern times the legal repercussions persist. All the disadvantages and none of the benefits. Who cares whether such a society persists or not?

    [–]monadyne 24 points25 points  (3 children)

    raising

    kids is for women and cucks

    Anybody with a dick can impregnate a female and produce an offspring. It takes a true man to be a father and actually raise a child. One reason for the devastation we see in our various societies is due to the lack of fathers living in homes to raise their children. Look at the African American culture where above 72% of children are born out of wedlock. "Who dat? He my baby-daddy!"

    It takes a great deal of personal resources to stick around in a marriage (especially in these hypergamous times), make all the money that children consume in growing up, and to provide teaching and moral guidance for them as they develop into adults.

    "Once you're dead you're dead" only applies to people who haven't had children. I am connected in an unbroken line not only back to the earliest hominids, but all the way beyond that to the first single-celled animals that came to life on this planet. In my son, that line of living beings is continued, and through his children and their children, stretches on until... someone breaks the chain and leads a childless life.

    My son is an engineer. He works in a laboratory. His team safeguards America's nuclear arsenal. He has Above Top Secret clearance, so he's not permitted to tell me even the slightest detail about what he does. Apropos of this discussion, it gives me a very, very deep sense of pleasure to know that by devoting twenty years of my life to trying to raise my child up properly that he became someone smart, sane and stable enough to be worthy of a position with the highest possible responsibility. That sense of pleasure transcends any temporal pleasures my male ego has provided me with.

    So, while some may be content to roast marshmallows as the world burns, others, thankfully, are working at keeping that from happening.

    [–]BurnDownTheMission68 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    Great point on the intellectual difference between these two men

    JP is 2-3 std devs smarter

    But Joe really fancies himself an intellectual because he conflates talent with intelligence

    Very talented guy that JR but average to above average intellect

    JP is off the charts

    [–]goodbyehouse 417 points418 points  (140 children)

    Joe Rogan turned me onto a Ketogenic diet and Jujitsu as a work out. I lost 20kg(44lbs), started getting haircuts and beard trims sooner. I think by the end of the year I will have visible abs. With that comes confidence. My posture is better. Thanks Joe!

    [–]the_one_tony_stark 165 points166 points  (71 children)

    Ketogenic diet

    Just be sure not to put your kid on a ketogenic diet if you have one. A 1/20 chance for a kidney stone doesn't seem worth it. But that's only been observed in kids, not adults.

    Great progress mate. Keep it up.

    [–]BPasFuck 51 points52 points  (26 children)

    The thing to keep in mind about Joe and diet is:

    He's on mega trt and hgh. That's why he and Dana White look so alike. They both got that Barry Bonds hgh dome.

    Keto and Jujitsu are great. They will do good things for you. Expect improvement. But don't go into it thinking your results will match his.

    [–]the_one_tony_stark 26 points27 points  (15 children)

    Huh, I didn't know that. You're right though.

    He shoots himself up with testosterone on a weekly basis — [snip]— as well as human growth hormone. If he’s dragging a little, he’ll pop a Nuvigil, a variant of the focus-improving drug that fighter pilots use.

    Sorry if I know little about this. What's hgh dome? I get the hgh and that it's probably some shape of your head or something that changes?

    [–]BPasFuck 19 points20 points  (13 children)

    the shape of his skull is what hgh dome refers to.

    Human growth hormone causes bone to grow when it would normally have halted. It's why any given user's face change so much.

    Look at early photos of Barry Bonds, and late career. It's obvious.

    Then look at early photos of Rogan. Some of the change is because he's gained weight, sure. But even so.

    [–]mattizie 8 points9 points  (11 children)

    Sorry mate, but I'm not seeing it.

    Is the skull more elongated, round, or just grows bigger or something?

    [–]Morphs_ 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Whole face is more round. Not like fatter, but as if there's more bone tissue on the skull. Google "Joe Rogan old vs new", same with Barry Bonds and Dana White. Their old pics their skulls look slimmer and now they have a more "bulkier" look on their skull.

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      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      And Joe isn't even Keto. He might eat in a keto fashion for 1/2 the day and most of the week. But he's not even in ketosis ever.

      [–]acetylcysteine 5 points6 points  (7 children)

      mega trt and hgh? doubt it. i'm sure he's on one or the other but i wouldn't call his dosing "mega."

      [–]the_one_tony_stark 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      He's on both per his rollingstone interview.

      [–]acetylcysteine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      ya trt gel (which isnt good for mega dosing)

      [–]BPasFuck 12 points13 points  (4 children)

      Compared to a blast and cruise bro? Yeah, not mega. But I guarantee you, he'll piss hotter than almost anyone in say... baseball.

      Compared to a natty bro, he's on mega doses.

      [–]goodbyehouse 69 points70 points  (26 children)

      Kids? What the fuck are they? I'm 37 and happy childless. Seriously though I don't recommend any diet. Each to his own. Blood work is important because there can be hormone changes for some on Keto.

      [–]BigGut[🍰] 18 points19 points  (17 children)

      Get a vasectomy if you haven’t already - best financial protection

      [–]busshelterrevolution 16 points17 points  (13 children)

      My doc told me he won't give a reference for a vasectomy to a 26 year old who hasn't had any kids yet. He only gives references to older men who have already had kids and don't want anymore. What gives

      [–]BigGut[🍰] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      Get another doc - you don’t stop producing sperm, you can still have it extracted - or reverse the procedure. It’s a bullshit tactic by most docs - but guess what, if you want kids you’ll have to fork over 5-10k for the procedure, which you should have anyways before having children. Just my personal opinion

      [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      There used to be a doctor in Australia who specialized in vasectomy reversal back when the technique wasn't well developed. He would fly you and family to AUS, put you up in a nice hotel, provide a few days of tourism, perform the operation, and fly you home, all for less than it cost to get the operation in the US.

      [–]mattizie 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      Find another doctor.

      Or lie and say you already have kids, just that it isn't "official". Or they're with an overseas partner or some other bullshit.

      [–]Coil222 7 points8 points  (6 children)

      Try another dr. I had mine done at 25-26, no children.

      [–]FeelTheBernieSanderz 9 points10 points  (5 children)

      are vasectomys permenant? I find it very sad that good men are cutting themselves off from the gene pool. I guess to each their own.

      [–]Coil222 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Yes but no guarantee. Also you’re looking at 5-10k to have it reversed, which I think is a great barrier to entry for breeding anyway. If you can’t swing that you’re prob not in a good position to start a family. But until then you won’t get trapped because of a broken condom or a forgotten pill.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Don't ever get a vasectomy planning to maybe have it reversed someday, because it is no guarantee. Be 100% sure you'll never want kids or wear a damn condom, it's not that bad.

      [–]assholeofthesky 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      It's a good thing man, it means our potential dating pool widens everytime a sperg decides to limit his existence

      [–]2CasaDeFranco 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I'm in my 20's and have a higher profile which women assume means easy wealth (rich on paper but it's all tied to assets). I'm considering it but I want to actually have a large family one day, is it easily reversible?

      I've had a few women drop the "I'm pregnant line" and it's a stress I'd rather not have. I use protection, try not fuck gold diggers and dispose of condoms appropriately so I haven't felt an urgent need despite the risk.

      [–]The_Real_Cannaman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I really don't get this argument... You can still freeze a sperm... I think it's not about the doc but laws. For example in my country u can't get vasectomy before turning 35 under any circumstances. Whatever, I'll go to Germany for vas.

      [–]BostonPillParty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I had one at 23. And I probably got it from one of the most renowned facilities in the entire United States (Men’s Health Boston).

      Do your research, explore alternatives, talk to people that I’ve had vasectomies, and meet with multiple urologists. You’ll find one that is willing to listen to you and your rationale. It’s important you do the steps outlined at the beginning of this paragraph because communicating how much time and energy and effort you’ve put into this thought will help the doctor feel at ease about performing this procedure on you. Sucks you have to prove your sane but it’s how I did it and you can too.

      Also, this goes without saying, but really think, like block offs few hours to think long and hard about this. Bring up pros and cons. Talk to yourself. Make sure this is for you. If you even remotely want to have kids, don’t do it. Reversal is an expensive, non-guaranteed bitch...my comprise during this deep meditation was that I accepted that I am 100% comfortable adopting orphan children in the future under the age of 4. Do what suites you in the long run my friend.

      [–]the_one_tony_stark 14 points15 points  (4 children)

      I haven't gone on keto yet, but I'm considering it. I would not take Rogan's advice on many things, but diet is definitely one of the things I would.

      Thanks for the bloodwork tip, I didn't know.

      [–]Earthworm_Djinn 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      I’ve tried it and been successful for stretches. If anything it helps you realize hidden sugars, bad carbs, gets you more used to keeping meals simple meat and veg. Worth a try for sure, the subreddit has great resources.

      [–]goodbyehouse 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      It's a difficult diet to start but one you do it gets easy. I had some friends over and had a big blow out to get rid of all the shit in my house. I gave away a lot of my food. Lot's of tinned food and did a massive shop. The first couple of shops can be expensive. But it's cheap after that. You feel like shit for a couple of days. Look up advice online and consult your GP. Like any diet it won't be for everyone.

      [–]notyourduck 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      It's a great diet but again it's just that a diet. Most people don't do keto for life. That's not me saying dont do it, but think about changes you can make with food that will be lifestyle changes. If you don't change your lifestyle you will end up in the same body.

      I tried keto years ago and had really good success but I only stuck with it for a month. I tried again later but had a limit of 60g of carbs which is kinda too high to be keto. That was awhile ago though. I got married, fat, and divorced again so I started working on me again. I have no interest in going full keto, but I've lost 51lbs with cardio and a low carb lifestyle. My previous attempts at keto and low carb gave me insight into carbs effects on appetite, and energy level. I also can spot high carb food with easy now which makes it a lot easier to avoid. So I'm not interested in doing keto again, but I will continue to use the knowledge I gained going keto to build a lifestyle that is sustainable.

      [–]goodbyehouse 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Absolutely. That's all you can do, find what works for you and do it! It is weird walking around a supermarket when you start reading what is in food.

      [–]thetompain 18 points19 points  (5 children)

      Ouch, a kid shouldn't really be on any type of restrictive diet other than calorie restrictions if they are overweight. They still have a lot of growing and developing to do.

      [–]DaftOdyssey 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      The thing is Kato it's used on kids who experience epilepsy or are epileptic. The low amounts of carbs helps greatly

      [–]randomusername7725 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      uhhh eating a bunch of hershey's bars will do nothing positive for a kid. They most definitely do have to restrict their diet.

      [–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      What youre saying makes no sense. Restricting macros, in this case carbohydrates, is literally restricting calories. You have to restrict the calories from somewhere. You wont grow less because you do that. The body will break proteins into carbs anyway if it needs it.

      [–]scottbrio 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Agreed. Based on that theory all of the Inuit children from Alaska eating seal blubber would have just atrophied away and died. Not the case. The body actually (imo) does best when it's burning fat, not sugars.

      [–]EthiopFighter7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      or increased risk for heart disease doesn't seem worth the gamble

      [–]1RationalDoc 8 points9 points  (9 children)

      Any book/material/plan you read on keto diet ? Thinking about starting that.

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      Bacon, eggs, low carb sausages, and keto coleslaw. One meal a day.

      You’ll lose weight and forget the sensation of hunger.

      [–]Greek-God-Brody 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Look up JRE podcasts episodes with Robb Wolf, Mark Sisson, Rhonda Patrick, Dominic D'Agostino.

      [–]goodbyehouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I started online. Diet doctor I think the website was called. It's pretty easy once you get into it. Just make sure you chat to your GP too.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 10 points11 points  (1 child)

      You should clean your room too, while you're at it.

      [–]goodbyehouse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I cleaned my house today! Started in the kitchen and finished in the garage. Looks good.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      I lost 20kg(44lbs)

      What weight did you start at and what height? People always leave this out.

      [–]goodbyehouse 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Sorry I'm six foot and was 110kg (220lbs?). I have a big frame though so BMI is kind of lost on me. I was 25% body fat I haven't tested my current body weight but I would estimate around 15%. The thing is it seems easy right now and not out of the question to get to around 10%. I haven't been that fit since my mid 20s.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Cool... good stuff, brother. Keep it up.

      [–]chaseexcellence 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      oticed how they beat around the bush for 20 minutes about the topic, then that word was mentioned. He acknowledged it, didn't argue the idea of it, and they moved on. He tries very hard to make his guests controversial while toeing a neutral line so he can avoid the kind of labelling that JP gets. I get the feeling that he's much more RP than he'll admit.

      Good job buddy. Keep up the good work. I am proud of you.

      [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (49 children)

      Carbohydrates are necessary for anaerobic (weightlifting) performance as well as sustaining higher volumes of exercise.

      Consider transitioning to a low carb diet once you reach your weight loss goals and once your diet adherence/control is where you want it to be. While carbohydrates added to the diet do make hunger and appetite more difficult to manage, they will improve muscle and strength development more than a ketogenic diet could.

      [–]raoulduke415 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      You can also do targeted ketosis, where you essentially carb load 30 minutes before you workout, and that raises your blood sugar levels enough to get a workout, and burn all the carbs off without going out of ketosis.

      [–]goodbyehouse 16 points17 points  (4 children)

      Hey each to their own. I don't lift weights for gains I am already naturally muscular. This is less of a weight lose goal and maintaining muscle while dropping my fat percentage. I have more energy now in ketosis than ever before. My blood work is great. It works for me.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      If you feel great on it then stick with it my dude, it being "subpar" does not at all mean you wont get results on it, just potentially slower results (which in your case it sounds like that really doesnt matter). The best diet and routine is always the one you can stick to and enjoy.

      [–]goodbyehouse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Absolutely. In saying that you do have some valid points. I'm still getting a lot of fibrous carbs in my diet and will eventually experiment with carb windows after a workout.

      [–]Vakleri 208 points209 points  (37 children)

      He also strongly advocates against red pill principals preferring monogamy and less meaningless sexual encounters. Everything I've seen of Peterson on suggests that yes he understands red pill theory but he doesn't necessarily agree that it is a good idea.

      [–]womans_algorithm 291 points292 points  (16 children)

      "Just bang chicks all day" is the most heard opinion on TRP because most people on TRP are in that phase where they want that. But it's not the only RP advice to follow.

      [–]Vakleri 71 points72 points  (4 children)

      For sure, but reading through most pinned posts monogamy is a no no. He also believes in finding your other half and intertwining your lives together and working with each other to have a happy life. Red Pill is more about working on yourself and having relationships at a distance.

      Personally I think this subreddit is too full of bitter divorced people that an honest discussion about monogamy is ultimately useless.

      [–]assholeofthesky 21 points22 points  (2 children)

      that put the nail on the fucking head, too many divorced dudes who married some psycho cunt who stole their money/life/friends and now they blame it on the females hah.

      clearly men have lives need to be taking care of and once they do, they get the poontang

      [–]Polishrifle 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      That's originally what this sub was about and where most of the hate came from. There are no unicorns, this is true, but that is not to say that you cannot find someone that could provide value to your life. Vetting someone like that has to be vigorous though; That's definitely part of the conclusion I've come to from TRP.

      [–]assholeofthesky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      exactly, there is no unicorn but in reality you can piece yourself together so you don't get shafted or taken advantage of as clearly there are women out there who aim to get pregnant with some dude and then fuck some other alpha once she's had that kid( and therefore leave billy beta with all the bills)

      I think vetting is possible but at the same time you can't confirm everything about a chick and there's nothing stopping hypergamy especially when it's natural, it's only fair right?

      [–]iamnotfromtexas90 32 points33 points  (4 children)

      Thank you.

      I get those guys.

      But those guys need to realize there is nothing as fulfilling than getting married to a great wife who wants to be a traditional great housemom, raising a family,and then growing a legacy with grandchildren.

      (Yes, that does mean she's a virgin or at least had no more than 2 healthy LTRs in her life. Any more and it's not possible to be a "great wife" but that's another post entirely. And yes, she's a unicorn, but authentic traditional religious observance helps tremendously if she's not faking it--though not a guarantee as we've all seen in this sub.)

      Few great men with grandchildren think on their death bed, I wish I didn't have any kids and just fucked thots all day.

      I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that option, but successfully pulling off a strong, happy family--however you define it--is the greatest way to 'win' at life when you arrive at the finish line.

      [–]djaffar09 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      You have written a great fantasy.. I can't deferentiate between redpill and blue pill anymore

      [–]iamnotfromtexas90 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I do admit, today, she's a full blown unicorn.

      In my grandpa's day, she was rare, but at least possible to find.

      [–]jm51 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      Few great men with grandchildren think on their death bed, I wish I didn't have any kids and just fucked thots all day.

      Why be great? Every man with grandchildren thinks like this.

      Listen to this all of you clever as fuck young dudes that got snipped without saving swimmers. I am going to be an ancestor and you are not. You might be the most important leaf on the tree right now but come autumn, you will be gone. As will I. Come spring, a part of me comes back to life but you will still be ever so dead.

      You haven't won, you are a Darwin suicide.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      You haven't won, you are a Darwin suicide.

      That's not even the game, but OK brother; you do you.

      My genes live on in my niece and nephew, and my ideas live on in my writings and all those I influence. I'm glad of my childless life and will go to a happy grave with no regrets.

      [–]UPURS145 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      Yes it isn't the only RP advice to follow and those are the parts I follow. I went through that phase of wanting to fuck every girl I saw and honestly I can say that I could still do that if I wanted to. I have the confidence and ability to do that unlike before where I was just a pussy when it came to women. However I have grown past the phase of wanting to plate women and enjoy being with one person who loves me for who I am. I think that mentality came from my father who always looked down on me for not being the "player" that he was when he was younger. I honestly think that I was coming at that ideal from a weak place. I have grown from that view and am a much confident and content individual.

      [–]the-dan-man 87 points88 points  (0 children)

      He seems happily married, so it is understandable that he is against a lot of meaningless sexual encounters. The 'red pill theory' you refer to isnt exclusively for banging as many girls as possible.

      It can mean using what you know about women to make a marriage work. Rollo Tomassi, arguably the godfather of the Red Pill, is married also.

      [–]michael_wilkins 20 points21 points  (1 child)

      Because it's not helpful long term.

      It's essentially bread and circuses. "Enjoy the decline" is a take what you can get mentality.

      [–]NormalAndy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      My way to break through that particular thinking was to read Julius Evola ‘Ride the Tiger’- suggested on this sub.

      It’s a bit of a head full but the guy really draws together a lot of thinking into a clearer way forward.

      Edit- ride

      [–]MyNameIsSaifa 28 points29 points  (0 children)

      Of course he's against it, it's essentially cheating the system. It's not a good long-term solution as far as society goes.

      [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 52 points53 points  (1 child)

      I wouldn’t say enforced monogamy is against red pill. It’s necessary for civilization. If women are conditioned strongly enough, the odds of cheating go way down. But all civs need some form of sexuality management to grow and thrive. Ours is totally fucked. So I’d say the larger red pill is realizing what is pro civ vs anti civ.

      [–]jm51 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I wouldn’t say enforced monogamy is against red pill. It’s necessary for civilizationempire building.

      FTFY.

      A community based on life long monogamy will piss all over a polygamous society. Empires get built. Men bring home the spoils of war, the women get to wear bling and their men get laid.

      Nobody gets close to fucking over a society based on fraternal polyamory. How could they? Their soldiers can die knowing that their wives are not widows and that their children are not fatherless. Great for survival but shit for doing more than survive.

      We are now in a society based on serial monogamy and polygamy can torch that. It's not just men that 'it's your turn' applies to. Give the women enough turns and at some point the polygamists have some attraction. 'Help me' shouts Jane as the Neanderthal carries her off. 'Not my circus' replies Tarzan.

      [–]AlexDr0ps 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Its refreshing though. I agree with most of TRP but believe all ideologies can be dangerous. Peterson seems to consider a lot of viewpoints and develop his own opinions

      [–]magnificent18 8 points9 points  (4 children)

      Its because of the children he doesn't like it.

      In polygamous society the one who is affected are the children.

      It's funny how nature fucked up. The whole goal of hypergamy is to produce the potential of successful humans yet the environment also plays a huge part in children development, which gets fucked up in a polygamous society.

      Having 1 dad and mom is optimal for the child to be successful which is why monogamy was established thousands of years ago into culture/society and has worked. Having a single mother raise a child, especially male can result in a feminine man.

      However!!!!! The biological inclinations have not died away and women are internally batting with themselves to whether they should follow society vs being hypergamy. Hence AF/BB. Why it's common for a women to cheat with a higher status guy.

      And then you have the women who don't care about what people think about them (Amber rose, Blac Chyna) are the ones who fuck around and do things considered "bad" in society, when in reality they are acting normal.

      They see a guy on the rise and they are attracted to him and bounce around.

      [–]RaughKee 13 points14 points  (3 children)

      In a tribal setting long term monogamy wasn't as necessary because the tribe was the family and children were the future of the tribe. Monogamy was a later adaptation to agriculture and land ownership where paternity became more of an issue due to inheritance. It looks very much like we are moving to a new, yet to be defined paradigm where monogamy is most definitely broken, the government and courts have stepped in to enforce financial support but no one has figured out how to give children the emotional and developmental support that a nuclear family or tribal family could provide.

      [–]magnificent18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Very interesting!

      So is Peterson right or wrong about polygamous being bad for children? I wonder if they did tests to prove this.

      Going away from only children, it's still bad for dudes who couldn't get some and resulted in violence within society.

      Think to yourself: Now I have to take care of some dudes kid, that doesn't even look like and may not respect me when he grows up, fuck that. My individualism / pride is what causes me to say fuck that shit. I'd rather get a woman on my own and have my own kid. Yeah humans are sociable and work together but individualistic when it comes to sexual competition. Back in the day when there were no consequences, shit I'd start doing some evil things to get what I want (aka violent societies) unless I go monk.

      Going back: We all know today just because a girl picks that guy he isn't truly alpha. Just desirable to her. I know so many dudes today that have girlfriends but are skinny af. Most of them are just facially attractive but that's it.

      Any built dude could physically take any of these guys down, back in the day.

      So is it some subconscious biological inclination that's saying "mate with him" even though he isn't true alpha, is it society setting standards or is the environment of social media inflating the ego of a woman thinking she can always do better?

      You can be smart, buff, confident, got game, but average looking and still be undesirable over a dude with really good looks.

      The frail good looking guy can easily get the initial attraction going to get within a relationship. People project on good looking people which makes them desirable. And in today's society it's all about first glance.

      Only places where personality shine are in group settings, schools, or places where one continuously sees the person over and over. Very limited. Essentially clubs are a no go to find someone if you are average looking.

      [–]didiflex 79 points80 points  (33 children)

      What is solution? "enforced monogamy" or free market where alphas fux, beta bux

      Right now we have hybrid system where betas buck women(IF they are lucky) that alphas used to fuck in their prime

      [–]CMajorThe3rd 103 points104 points  (3 children)

      My god it was good to see JP have to admit that marriage is a fucked up deal for modern man, he couldn't describe marriage for men without using the word 'sacrifice'.

      [–]p3n1x 20 points21 points  (0 children)

      As he said at the beginning of the podcast, it is another system that has value and that system can/has become corrupt. People make money from manipulating the outcomes of monogamy. Lawyers, Government, Marketing, Special Interests groups and so on.

      [–]killabeesindafront 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      I liked how Rogan used his equality of outcome argument against him

      [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

      I think it also compounds with just the sheer magnitude of population and vast capability to communicate and recognize other's positions, social media. If its 2 guys in a tribe of 10 seeding all the women its a lot more stable than 5-20% of the ~2Billion with the relative same access to technology. The former becomes a flashing neon sign to the incel of their ineptness.

      [–]johnyann 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      We had no-sex until marriage and then marriage.

      That worked for a bit.

      [–]RaughKee 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      There was plenty of sex before marriage, it was just frowned upon and kept secret.

      [–]johnyann 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      It wasn’t even close to how it was today. Also, you didn’t have hormonal birth control, which created a massive potential consequence every time people had sex.

      [–]RaughKee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      True and the societal shaming for premarital sex was massive, I'm just saying it didn't stop people and there were plenty of shotgun weddings or girls going to different cities to "live with their aunt."

      [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 18 points19 points  (19 children)

      Monogamy will never be enforced again (unless Islam in its current form takes over before it's feminized as well), so no need to even think about whether it's a solution or not. The sexual marketplace is now fully deregulated - act accordingly.

      [–]PrettyBelowAverage 62 points63 points  (7 children)

      If people listened to the podcast, enforced monogamy as referred by JP is not the government forcing marriages. It is enforcing the idea and values of monogamous relationships in society. At least that is what I understood it as, I apologize if I misinterpreted it.

      [–]OneCovah 11 points12 points  (5 children)

      "the government forcing marriages" is reality. With tax law and common property law, including common law marriage in some states, government encourages if not demands marriage. We take it for granted, and living as an unmarried couple is frowned upon.

      The converse is government supplied consorts. Dan Savage in the Maher interview mentioned Handmaiden's Tale, a fictional reversal of reality. Incels might demand government give them women in the same way women demand government give them men.

      Gender/sexual equality indeed. Women define equality as themselves having all the power, being "more equal" in the Orwellian sense.

      [–]PrettyBelowAverage 10 points11 points  (4 children)

      I agree, the more I think about it, the only way to enforce monogamy through societal standards is the same way that having a job is enforced. You're considered lazy if you don't have one and it is overall detrimental to the individual. I wish I understood more what JP was talking about with this point, because I don't necessarily agree with it, I just relate to the idea of wanting a society that isn't so promiscuous, but maybe that's a BP desire.

      It's weird, I used to hate the idea of any girl I wanted to date already having been threw a slew of dicks, but at that time I knew if I were in that position I would do the same or if I could achieve women consistently at the time I would do the same as a man.

      Where do you find 'good girls'. I know that is worthy of it's own post in and of itself, but I used to always go to bars and party places and realized all of the women were there for the same reason I was - to get laid - except they were actually successful.. Very successful.

      I see girls in my classes that I am attracted to, or girls in hobby-related activities, but I either feel uncomfortable approaching because it feels the same as doing so in a work environment, or I come to find out that they are the party girls I was referencing above.

      Do I just learn to deal with it? Or do I push past the uncomfortableness and go for it anyways?

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        [–]PrettyBelowAverage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Appreciate this brotha, was some motivation I needed.

        [–]ShuWasHere 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Well JP's "enforced monogamy" ideas are usually targeted against polygamy or open relationships and not marriage itself. Societies where monogamy is the norm have been more successful overall.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Societies where monogamy is the norm have been more successful overall.

        Are you 100% convinced monogamy as norm is the controlling variable here? Consider the effect of "the Protestant ethic" wherein the same religion that insists on monogamy also teaches that God's judgement of them is unknowable. This led to the emergent belief that material success was a sign or hint of God's approval, motivating them to devote much of their energy to work, and to reinvest the proceeds in their enterprise. Thus you wind up with a successful society that values monogamy, but it's not successful because of the monogamy part.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Not that different. If the American people were to magically go back to patriarchal values, shaming the unmarried mother, then they will elect representatives who will set the morals in stone in the form of law, starting with getting rid of no-fault divorce. But first, morals of a people don't roll back (zeitgeist) and even if it were to happen (say a country becoming predominantly muslim, as European countries will soon do), it will still be slowly undermined by a feminine imperative trying to impose hypergamy.

        [–]the_one_tony_stark 11 points12 points  (2 children)

        I'm not convinced it will never be enforced again; cultures that have it have more children and better children. It's unlikely that in the long run those cultures won't be the ones that gain power in the future. Now whether that's islam, a revived christianity or something else is anyone's guess, but it'll likely be a culture with enforced monogamy.

        [–]party_dragon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        However, as cultures progress technologically and in standard of living, they have less children. Even in Israel! I don’t think a billion savages can overpower a few millions of highly advanced peoples... and the gap would only grow bigger over time (with technology developing even faster than population growth).

        [–]the_one_tony_stark 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That would be accurate if countries were barriers of separation between cultures, but as national borders aren't protected in most cases, those billion savages erode democracies.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        What is solution? "enforced monogamy"

        We already had that and it lead us to what we have now. Any time you force someone to do something he/she doesn't want to do, you create a resentment and frustration, which in turn leads to making emotional decisions based on "ill do whatever not to do that again".

        Do remember that every time you force a woman to marry, you also fore the guy to marry her. You can't force ONLY women to marry in that system.

        [–]FlamingAmmosexual 82 points83 points  (15 children)

        I listened to this yesterday and wish they would have gone more into it. It seems when Peterson brought up hypergamy Joe quickly changed the subject saying, "these are difficult things to talk about." Yeah and they need to be talked about.

        I get what Peterson is saying but he didn't go far enough. He said he didn't want laws or government enforcement for monogamy. He mentioned his son and said if he cheated or left his wife he'd be disappointed and not want that. He'd encourage against that behavior and thinks society should as well. That's great in clearing that up. It's aimed at the wrong gender.

        Women are the ones that divorce more. Women cheat as much, if not more depending on which study you read. Women are the ones getting knocked up by the "bad boy" and then using lower market men afterwards as an ATM. They clearly talked about it on the podcast but they danced around the subject as if they were talking about holocaust denial. Women are the ones with the upper hand in this power dynamic. Nobody wants to discuss it as they're too afraid.

        Hell OKCupid confirmed it but deleted the study.

        Peterson also mentioned hierarchies and we can't let them get unstable. We're there. The dominance hierarchy in marriage is given to the women. The system is correcting itself but feminism and society is trying to keep it to where men are at the bottom because of some conceived oppression.

        Here's a great example. MGTOW, incels, and such are avoiding women or getting sexbots. That's the system correcting women going towards a small group of men. Problem? Society is trying to shame and even pass laws to keep these men from doing that. Why? Keep them at the bottom of the hierarchy they are trying to create.

        Joe did have a point. Jeff Bezos is good at climbing the hierarchy. He worked hard and has made it to the top. It's also insanely richer than 99.999% of the planet. If we're going to leave that hierarchy alone but meddle with the sexual hierarchy isn't that hypocrisy?

        I don't buy Peterson's premise that a small group of men, like those in the manosphere, working hard and having a lot of sexual partners is bad for children. That's not on the men. That's on the women and has been since the sexual revolution.

        It's not men or the children's fault if their mom wants to slut around. Women have been encouraged to do this and some men have figured out if they put in the work they can be in be in the top 20% of males these women go after. The MGTOW, incels, and others that have all spawned out of this is like what we see with Occupy Wallstreet and capitalist systems. Some are fair criticisms and some are just crazy.

        [–]the_one_tony_stark 38 points39 points  (10 children)

        I don't buy Peterson's premise that a small group of men, like those in the manosphere, working hard and having a lot of sexual partners is bad for children. That's not on the men. That's on the women and has been since the sexual revolution.

        Let's look at this argument.

        When men work hard and have a lot of sexual partners:

        • 1. It's bad for the children.

        I think this one goes without saying. Energy is a finite resource and energy spent fucking other women is energy not spent on either gaining resources or raising the children. By every metric and study I've seen, children that are raised by a heterosexual two parent household outcompete practically every other child.

        • 2. Men are to blame for the fact that they choose to do this

        I think the process of assigning blame is a low-grade way of looking at it. I think the men that are choosing less good outcomes for their children are responsible for the outcomes of their children. I think cultures where a lot of men make this choice are less likely to be dominant cultures in the future. This means that their kids are more likely to be subservient towards other more dominant cultures in the future. So, it seems to me, yes men that engage in this are responsible for this. I prefer the word responsibility over blame, because I do think people have the freedom to choose this.

        • 3. Women instead should be blamed since the sexual revolution

        Again, I'm not fond of saying who should be blamed. The majority of the women at the time resisted both the birth control pill, feminism and the sexual revolution. Only through making birth control free and free of stigma, pumping culture full of stories about it and educating 30 or so lifelong gender activists per university across the west has the culture shifted to where we currently are. That's not to let women of the hook about mindlessly defending the current state of affairs. But if you look into it, it wasn't women who started this shit; the groups can be closer defined than that.

        Are women to blame for lesser outcomes for children? Absolutely. The divorce rate, most of the time initiated by women, which has terrible outcomes for children. The de-stigmatization of single mothers is another, who's children have the worst outcome of any demographic. But I don't think women are to blame singularily for this; men too have stood by and watched this change of culture.

        I applaud people judging the current landscape accurately and doing the best they can inside it. The clown world is crazy enough currently that I can't fault either men or women fully for being hedonistic about it. But hedonism is part of the demise of the culture you're part of and it's forfeiting the future of your children. If you accept that, fine. But don't pretend it isn't bad for the children and that both men and women have responsibility for that situation (and as women don't take responsibility usually it'll be up to men to fix it and putting women in their proper place would be part of it).

        [–]Lammy8 7 points8 points  (9 children)

        That's too simplistic and only really indulges men whom have children. Those who don't have children bare little to no effect on children in general (the little being the mother's that get fucked, potentially), I dislike the broad phrasing used as it's a real stretch to say the sexual nature of a minority of men absolutely corrupts the upbringing of all children.

        [–]Magnum256 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I think when Peterson says "it's bad for children" he might also mean that it's bad for the children who don't exist yet (or may never exist) due to the nature of a polygamous society. Basically if you want to look at sexual partners being divided roughly by Praeto distribution where 20% of men are having sex with 80% of women then it's likely a large percentage of those 80% of women wouldn't want to have a child with a man who's not exclusive to her, as well as the man not wanting to have a child (and all the responsibility/cost that entails) with a woman he's not fully committed to. There's no denying birth rates are on a decline in North America, Western Europe, Australia, etc. and I have to assume that this is at least partly due to the more casual view we have on sex and broad hedonistic tendencies.

        [–]1empatheticapathetic 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        Men wouldn't cheat if women didn't respond positively to it.

        [–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Nobody wants to discuss it as they're too afraid.

        yeah, because the blue-haired land wales will come screeching like a bunch of banshees at them. who really wants that

        [–]Meisner1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        To be fair, my father's the one that cheated my mother. But I'm in a different country.

        [–]diogenes_dookie 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        Just heard this. Most mainstream discussion I have heard of Hypergamy and RP theory yet. Was surprised when Peterson mentioned the word, Rogan immediately knew.

        [–]slip_like_space 44 points45 points  (2 children)

        Out of all of his appearances on JRE, I think this is JP's most profound as far as RP truths. It gave me a new perspective on hypergamy in correlation to the dominance hierarchy.

        [–]scottbrio 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        That's what I love about JP- as much as any human can do, he doesn't let his own beliefs or life practices get in the way of objectively studying society and reporting on what's really going on. He's saying the things that nobody has the balls to discuss and through pure intelligence and intellectualism, he has not only created a shield of protection around himself, but monetized his platform.

        [–]ButcherAndTheRye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        As JP said, “Your ability to articulate your self is your sword and your shield.”

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

        Not sure about Joe Rogan he has a lot of feminist women on the show and agrees with them when they spout their piffle.

        [–]3d_truth 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        That's because both sides are right. Ignore the unintelligent vocal majority of feminists. I'm sure if we listened to an intelligent feminist she would have some good points.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        This is the main one I thought of

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBVbkPxSV1c

        Look at the metrics!

        [–]CMajorThe3rd 24 points25 points  (5 children)

        OHHH you beat me to posting about this!

        Dr Jorden Peterson appeared on Joe Rogan again yesterday.

        If you are not familiar with him, he was the professor for psychology at the university of Toronto and publicly opposed the compelled speech bill C16 and he wants everyone to get married.

        I don’t see any issues with a lot of his ideas, except the monogamy narrative, so far I have seen him go unchallenged on these ideas and it was great to see Joe ask some hard questions before he moved away from the line of questioning by talking about virtue signalling (a subject he knows Joe will react too, take the bat and change the subject). Really interesting to see someone who is so into marriage wrestle with hypergamy LOL!.

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          [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          I had suspected for a long time that both Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson have deep knowledge of gender/sexual interactions from a Red Pill view.

          One you stop idolizing both, you'll notice that besides talking about FEW basic RP truths, Rogan is completely BP dude. As for JBP, he knows RP theory, but his MO is closer to being a tradcon, not an alpha from TRP.

          [–]UPURS145 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          The thing is that Jordan also talks about the virtues of monogamy as well as having a family which is not necessarily the ideas that are spread by many of you. Not that I disagree with many of things said on this sub but Jordan Peterson doesn't really believe in all of the Redpill ideology it may seem like it but in most of his talks he mentions on putting time on one person on one relationship. On this sub I see many people talking about balancing plates and being single and never being married. Jordan seems to be a person who is against that view. He also does state that focusing on yourself is also just as important though i.e. fix your room.

          [–]kingbraderz 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          What a coincidence I’m watching right now an hour in

          [–]shapman27 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          holy shit this was the most interesting interview, I couldn't stop listening to everything jp was saying. i dont know why but it reminded me of hitler for some reason when he was talking about the leftist wanted equality and the pain behind it.

          [–]TrumpChooChooTrain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          If you liked that podcast you should listen to the first two podcasts between them. Mind blowing

          [–]crespo_modesto 2 points3 points  (4 children)

          Hmm was reading/pronouncing that word wrong

          Hyper-gum-e

          [–]3d_truth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          How is pronounced correctly? Hyper game e is correct, no?

          [–]NiceTryDisaster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          A casual glance through the psychology subreddit top posts is like reading trp frontpage

          [–]ddiogenesofsinope 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I loved this episode. Like him or hate him Peterson just has an insight into the pysche as a clinical psychologist that not many people get to see.

          What helps is that he is intelligent so he can break down the ideas he gets from his practise, and really see what is going on, from the darkest perspective imaginable. He's been to the underworld a few times and we are really lucky he is sharing his insights with the world for free.

          [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 13 points14 points  (24 children)

          If Jordan Peterson is so "Red Pill" how come his household produce a Blue Haired Feminist daughter? Would really appreciate an explanation of that.

          [–]redvelvet_oreo 14 points15 points  (10 children)

          I listened to him on Jocko a while back for the first time. I think he understands RP but is inherently beta. He is a man of logic but lacks the true nature of an Alpha male. Doesn’t mean he can’t explain the fundamental nature though.

          [–]monadyne 11 points12 points  (6 children)

          lacks the true nature of an Alpha male

          So, Jordan Peterson makes some angry comments about "compelled speech" in some videos, then engages leftists in a few protests about pronouns... and sees that his ideas have traction among people who are desperate for a change in the socio-political landscape. Within eighteen months he translated that into worldwide fame and influence. He's made millions, evidently, though his motivation appears not to be wealth for its own sake but, as he has stated, to help individuals become better able to meet the suffering that life can bring.

          Pretty fuckin' Alpha if you ask me, bucko.

          [–]pronatalist257_2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Almost gave up his career to speak the truth, yet you call him beta. He is more alpha than 99.9999% of the people here

          [–]BillyRedRocks 9 points10 points  (4 children)

          Have you seen her recent pictures? I'm not saying she's not a feminist (is she really?) or that JBP is "red Pill" but I'd sure as hell examine her joint mobility.

          [–]lotteryroll 23 points24 points  (2 children)

          [–]adool999 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          She does not look like a Blue Haired Feminist at all. She has a good looking husband and a child. Was there a missing /s

          [–]pronatalist257_2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Don't know if you are trolling but what makes you think she is a feminist? I'm sure not everyone with blue hair is an SJW

          [–]EdmondDaunts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          As ever the solution is to contain the blast radius. You can’t stop hypergamy. In fact you could say it’s an essential part of human evolution.

          The impact of it and the accommodation of it is what is getting us into trouble. And that is largely due to men agreeing to women’s demands. To appease women or to impress them. A variant pf Gad Saad’s Sneaky Fucker idea.

          [–]Yuken27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          rogan and peterson on gender pay gap - https://youtu.be/FbX0TFVuOH4

          [–]grandmasbroach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Enforced monogamy isn't what most people assume it to mean. It isn't like the government or a third party actually enforcing laws about it.

          It speaks to societies as a whole. Where monogamy is the preferred way to mate and have offspring. The society or culture is enforcing monogamy through marriage and social pressures. I would say birth control pretty much killed that in the west.

          Before, women more or less policed themselves when it came to slutting it up. They knew that a pregnancy without commitment was a death sentence back then. So, they put pressure on themselves to ensure monogamy as it had the best outcome for the woman and the children.

          This doesn't even mention the idea of women gatekeeping sec and men gatekeeping commitment. Nowadays, and this is the really odd part to me. Since birth control became accessible to anyone who wanted. Women took away almost all of their bargaining power in relationships. Sex is easier to get than almost anytime in modern history now. If a guy is in a relationship, and this applies more to higher smv type men. If she isn't putting out on a regular basis, he'll just leave and or find it elsewhere.

          This has created an odd happenstance where men hold almost all of the power in a relationship, if he chooses to wield it. That's why I say it refers more to high smv men, and even more so to high smv red pill aware men. Betas will be oblivious for the most part, and would have given up that power regardless. Women don't want commitment from them anyways. Those are the left over, she needs to find a stable guy to raise Chad's kids now, type of men. She'd rather have Chad's commitment any day, and is why we have the term alpha widowed.

          Anyways, women have lost an immense amount of power on relationships. However, they have gained it legally, and often divorce rape men. This is why you shouldn't marry. You will lose that bargaining power you previously had.

          I just think it is funny as hell and beyond ironic that feminism has accidently created a scenario where women have almost zero power in a relationship, if the guy chooses to wield it. Now we have marriage and birth rates diving off a cliff, and women asking where all the good men went.

          [–]AllTheDevilsAreHere_ 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          To say he went "full Red Pill" is an exaggeration. Sure, he mentions concepts like hypergamy in the interview, but the problem with Peterson is that he wants to stuff Red Pill truths within his TradCon and Blue Pill belief systems by any means necessary.

          Some of these reactions here remind me of those cringe-worthy questions audience members ask in debates where they're trying to signal how devoted they are to a particular group. If you've ever listened to some of Sam Harris' live shows, there's always one person who asks something along the lines of "What would Hitch think of Donald Drumpf?" only to be followed by a barrage of cheers and applause from the rest of the audience. They ask the question to get validation, not to encourage a discussion.

          Peterson is Cypher from The Matrix. He knows that the steak isn't real, but acts in ignorance because of how uncomfortable Red Pill truths are. As soon as he mentions concepts like hypergamy, some of y'all want to get down on your knees and throw your hands in the air as if you're attending one of those Benny Hinn "faith healer" events.

          I would encourage all of you to reread "Jordan Peterson is Not Your Friend" if you haven't already done so.

          [–]killabeesindafront 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          How about you motherfuckers listen to the podcast before you comment

          [–]dinnerwithfunions 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Wouldn’t be surprised if both of them browsed TRP now and then or once upon a time. I remember hearing manosphere type speech from Peterson watching some older videos.

          It’s sort of like on social media, when you see people post content you get a sense of who they are, what they think, and what sites they visit. I’m in a meme group and see folks post memes I’ve seen in various reddit subs even some red pill type content.

          [–]DadOnDabs 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Red pill going main stream? The US may have some hope after all.

          [–]TriggeringEveryone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          "Full red pill" would include race realism and the JQ.

          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (23 children)

          One rotten apple spoils the barrel.

          u/gaylubeoil has a post on JBP and "mainstream conservative values"

          Joe is great until the topic is nuanced with a strong emotional wall in front of it. JBP is blue pill because of circumstance thrusting him through his proverbial bog into a blue alpha. Look into Rollo's work on that.

          Never meet your heroes.

          Edit: But as much as these two are gatekeepers they allude to this and similar communities.

          [–]CMajorThe3rd 14 points15 points  (4 children)

          lol alone in my room at 6am ironing my shirt for work and im screaming "Fuck you" to JP for telling men marriage was the answer.

          [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

          It is just blatantly absurd in this day and age. You simply can't put feminism, current legal statures, back in their box once they've been opened. It's like being red pill aware then attempting to revert back. Then you have all these kids down voting me because they haven't taken the time to unravel their internet father figure and who he actually is in relation to the literal world they live in. But you better be making that bed when you're done ironing that shirt boyo.

          [–]CMajorThe3rd 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          hahaha this, so much of this. I wasnt expecting to see him as 'ugly' but holy shit im happy to leave my internet father in the belly of a whale for the bullshit he has been telling men about marriage.

          I am not fully mad about it though, his ideas lead me to seeking redpill, I remember briefly looking at the sub after a girl I had just started dating 3 years ago asked me if I know about it, my response was 'ohhh stay away from them'.... I thought this because I was getting easy beta pussy only to have that same chick who held me closer than I have ever felt and told me we are the stars together latter cheated on me with an old friend of hers...... turns out AWALT.

          Hearing him walk away from the hypergammy issue just pissed me off all over again.

          Also, i did make my bed, not because he said I should but because a man must act in abundance.

          [–]Bad_nuggets69 2 points3 points  (13 children)

          I watched the podcast. I remembered GLO post on it and took it with a grain of salt. He skimmed the hypergamy topic without delving in deep since he is too pussy to dig into it and lose face.

          Figured it would get posted here eventually.

          [–]Hyper_Sonik 25 points26 points  (8 children)

          It's better not to talk about it in public. What don't you guys get about rule #1.

          [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

          I'm basically making the argument that men need to get off their knees in public spaces. Don't sperg out and plug this reddit but also don't go "It's a dark topic Bucko!"

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