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ScienceHere's how to fuck one girl/week from swipe apps in 2018 with little time investment (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by corsega

Originally posted on my blog.


The new year is almost upon us, and that means online fucking apps (I refuse to call them online dating apps) will be in full force, filled with lonely women who just realized they were alone for the holidays. Blackdragon, the expert on this stuff, notes that he gets 3x the results in January from apps as any other time of the year.

If you want to take advantage of this, here's what you should do:

Prerequisites

Fulfill at least half of the below requirements, roughly in order of importance:

  • 5+/10 face (the most important factor; if you are below a 5/10 facially you should move to another country or try daygame)
  • 5+/10 body
  • White
  • 5'9" or over
  • Decent style (e.g. new, well-fitted clothes, hair and facial grooming)
  • Under age 35
  • Live in a city of more than 150,000 people

If you are lacking in one or more of these factors, improve the controllables (e.g. lift, lose body fat, buy new clothes, get a haircut, move, etc.) and once you're ready, implement the below.

Photos

Assemble four to six photos of yourself of the below archetypes. These photos must not be selfies, and ideally should be taken with a DSLR by someone that knows what they're doing.

If you don't have these photos, talk to your photographer friend, or hire a photographer from Craigslist/Instagram. If you don't want to go this route, buy a cheap DSLR and a 50mm 1.8 lens from Craigslist, buy the cheapest tripod you can find on Amazon, buy a DSLR remote, and take the photos yourself.

The first bullet is required, you can pick and choose from the rest:

  • Upper-body shot of just you. Ideally taken with a DSLR with you in focus with a blurred, interesting background, wearing nicely-styled clothes (a suit if you're over 25, a button-down or something else nice if you're under 25).
  • You with a dog or some other sort of animal. Only do this if you actually like animals.
  • You with a group of friends. You should be as tall or taller and as attractive or more attractive than every friend in the photo. All of your friends must be decently attractive and not low-status (i.e. if this photo was taken at an anime convention, you're toast).
  • You doing [insert hobby here]. Snowboarding, DJing, skydiving, climbing, playing a high-status sport (sorry, Magic: The Gathering doesn't count).
  • You in an exotic location.
  • You doing something that indicates you're a leader of men. Holding a microphone, giving a speech, standing on stage, etc.
  • A candid, shirtless photo (e.g. playing sports, on a beach). If you cannot bench your bodyweight and/or squat/deadlift 1.75x your bodyweight AND are less than 18% bodyfat, skip this. If you don't have a candid shirtless photo, a non-candid is OK, but you'll get worse results.

Once you have the photos, pick out 10-12 that you think are good and send them to three girls you've hooked up with in the past to get their advice on which to use. Close female friends are a decent secondary options. Photofeeler is a distant third.

App Setup and Swiping

General App Setup

  1. Create a fake Gmail account.
  2. Use the fake Gmail account to create a fake Facebook account with a photo of a male model and your real first and last name (you don't have to use your last name if you're not using Hinge). If you're 28-35 and want to fuck 18-22 year olds, put your age as 27. This has the added advantage of giving you a 50% discount on Tinder Plus, as we'll see later.
  3. Go to a random page in the Philippines and add 500 random Filipinos until you have 100 Facebook friends. This is needed to bypass Facebook account verification for Tinder.

Tinder

  1. Download Tinder and sign up with your fake email address.
  2. Tap "Get Tinder Plus" and purchase Plus. If you're under 28, this should cost $9.95 a month. If you're 28 or over, this will set you back $19.95 a month.
  3. Upload the photos you picked out in the photos section. Leave Smart Photos on.
  4. Write a short, positive, non-needy bio that demonstrates higher value, e.g. "Dog whisperer. World traveler, last three trips were to Bali, Australia, and New Zealand. Avid cook, I guarantee my bacon risotto is better than yours."
  5. Link your Instagram only if you have over 1000 followers and/or you have interesting photos that show a high-value lifestyle (e.g. travel, parties, friends).
  6. Go to settings and set your distance range to the furthest range you think a girl would be willing to travel to meet you. Use the Gmaps Radius tool to figure out what the radius of your surrounding area is.
  7. Set your age range to 18 at the low end and whatever the age of the oldest woman you'd have sex with is at the high end.
  8. Go to www.tind3r.com and set up the Chrome extension so you can swipe and message from your computer.
  9. Start swiping with Tind3r. Your minimum for a right swipe would be a girl you'd have sex with if they were to come directly to your house with no monetary investment from you. Do not swipe right on every girl, it brutalizes your private Tinder "Elo score".
  10. Don't read bios or look at closely at photos or Instagrams. You should spend less than a second looking at each profile's photos before determining how to swipe. I can swipe about 75 girls a minute accurately with Tind3r and double that using my phone. This means, assuming 5000 girls are in your area, you should only need to waste about ten minutes a day swiping.
  11. Every day, use your 5 superlikes on girls you think are just out of your range. E.g. if you generally fuck 5s and 6s, use superlikes on 6.5s and the odd 7.
  12. Swipe only during idle time, i.e. when you're on public transportation or on the toilet.
  13. On Sunday between 8 and 10 AM, use your one free monthly Boost, which will put your profile at the top of every girl's stack in your area for 30 minutes. You don't have to swipe during this Boost, it doesn't have any effect on the matches you'll get.

Bumble

  1. Download Bumble and sign up with your fake email address.
  2. Upload the same photos and use the same bio as you did on Tinder. If you linked your Instagram on Tinder, mention it in your bio.
  3. Use the same distance and age settings that you did on Tinder.
  4. For Bumble, you're going to autoswipe. First, download AutoHotKey on your computer. Edit AutoHotKey.ahk and paste the following in: https://pastebin.com/4XiZHpNd
  5. Download BlueStacks, an Android emulator. Run through the setup.
  6. Download Bumble on your BlueStacks instance. Log in with your fake email address.
  7. In the bottom right, click on the icon of the keyboard and map "r" to "Swipe Up" and "g" to Swipe Right.
  8. While on the swipe screen, hit F7. Let the autoswiper run until you run out of profiles to swipe on (you won't be able to use your computer while you do this, so use a different computer or run it overnight).

Hinge

  1. Download Hinge and sign in with your fake email address.
  2. Use the same photos you did with Tinder, but remove any shirtless photos if they're not candid.
  3. If you're under 5'10", add an inch to your height.
  4. If you have a medium to high-status job, list it.
  5. If you went to college, list it.
  6. Answer three of the questions in a witty, intellectual way. Use good grammar and proofread for spelling.
  7. Start viewing profiles. Never like any of the photos of the girls, but rather their questions directly (shows interest in their "mind" rather than their appearance).
  8. Don't waste your time leaving a comment with your like unless you have something interesting to say (e.g. if she says she wants to go to Ecuador on her bucket list, mention that you just got back from there).

Coffee Meets Bagel

  1. Download Coffee Meets Bagel and sign in with your fake email address.
  2. Use the same photos you did with Hinge.
  3. Follow the same Hinge guidelines about height, job and education.
  4. Use the same questions you answered for Hinge but warp the answers to fit Coffee Meets Bagel's scheme for "I am...", "I like..." and "I appreciate when my date..."
  5. Go to suggested and like all the Bagels you'd have sex with.
  6. Go to discovery and like girls until you run out of beans.
  7. Repeat this process every day at noon (when your bagels have been replenished).

Happn

  1. Download Happn and sign in with your fake email address.
  2. Use the same photos and bio you did with Tinder. If you linked your Instagram to Tinder, link it here as well.
  3. If you never leave your house, sign out of Happn on your phone and sign into Happn on BlueStacks. Use the BlueStacks location feature to change your location to where hot girls live/work/hang out. Change your location once a day.

App Messaging

If you're playing this right, matches should be rolling in on all of your apps. You're going to use the exact same openers and messaging format for every app.

  1. Open a girl with a non-needy, *unique *opener (I'm not going to post examples here, because if I do they'll start getting used and not be unique anymore). The opener should ideally assume something about her and end in a question mark, but doesn't have to.
  2. Gauge her response, and write back, using less text than her. If she hasn't asked you a question (what I call the hook point), provide some information, like a DHV about yourself, and ask her another question.
  3. If she's asking you questions back, you have a green light. Respond something like "That sounds cool, we should grab a drink. I'm free [x] or [y] day, let me know what works for you." Based on her response, tell her where and when to meet you.
  4. If she's not asking you questions back, you have a yellow light. Keep DHVing and teasing her for a few more lines until you get her to invest. If she's not investing but still responding, hit her with the date pitch after a maximum of five messages from each of you.
  5. If she's being combative, you have a red light. Stay non-reactive and playful. Keep DHVing and teasing her until you have a yellow or a green light, at which point you should pitch the date.

Other tips:

  • Ignore any rules about waiting a certain amount of time to text back. The minute you match with a girl, you are already fighting a losing battle against her attention. Reply back as soon as possible and keep her engaged.
  • If a girl stops responding, wait 2-3 days (at least) and hit her back with a funny respawn text teasing her for disappearing. I'm not going to post mine, but if she's riding a horse in her profile, here's a mediocre example: ", did you fall off your horse and die? Let me know where I should send flowers." Do this twice, and wait 2-3 days between each message. If she doesn't respond, leave her and work another girl.
  • Burn every lead to the ground. You should be messaging and scheduling dates with every girl you match with in order to cultivate abundance.

If you want examples, I recommend the breakdowns on Playing with Fire. He's the only guy I know that provides full screenshots of all his messages from opener to sex (keep in mind, however, that he is above average looks and runs shirtless photo + explicit bio game. If you're average, you can't expect these results, but his messaging is good).

Weekly Routine

The above will cover you for the first week. After that, you'll notice that your matches are going to fall off. This is because Tinder and Bumble give newbies an early boost to get their profiles shown to more people. So every Sunday night, here's what you're going to do:

  1. Create a new fake Gmail account and Facebook event, and add 100 friends again.
  2. Go into your Bumble and Tinder accounts associated with your old fake email and hide the profiles to the public. This will make it so you can still chat with your old matches, but won't have two profiles up at once.
  3. Create new Bumble and Tinder accounts. Follow the exact same methods as you did last week regarding using your Tinder Boost and autoswiping on Bumble, but tweak your photos/bio using feedback from the last week.

It should take less than an hour to do this each week, but you'll get 50% more matches, not only with the newbie boost, but also because you'll be shown to different girls each week due to the random nature of Tinder.

Results

Number of matches per week is going to completely depend on physical attractiveness and quality of profile, as well as your sexual market value in your city compared to the male competition on the apps.

Here are my average weekly results as an average-looking guy in San Francisco, the hardest city in the United States for average guys:

  • 52 matches (30 from Tinder, 7 messages from Bumble, 13 from Hinge, 1 from CoffeeMeetsBagel, 1 from Happn)
  • 36 matches worth opening (rest were errant swipes or I had buyers remorse)
  • 17 matches reply
  • 5 matches schedule a date
  • 2 matches actually show up to the date (the rest flake or logistics don't work)

Two dates a week is on the low end for cultivating abundance, so if you're getting worse results than this, something is wrong. You need to improve your sexual market value, photos, openers, or messaging.

It's impossible to provide generic troubleshooting steps because every guy will have different problems, but if you post a comment here or PM me on reddit, I'm happy to help.

Finally, you'll notice I didn't provide any information for what to actually do on a date. That's because this has been written about extensively by other guys. I recommend Blackdragon or JMULV for more on that.


[–]textualintercourse 564 points565 points  (17 children)

"Go to a random page in the Philippines and add 500 random Filipinos until you have 100 Facebook friends."

Jesus Christ, I laughed out loud on that one. It's literally fact that they will accept.

[–][deleted] 183 points184 points  (5 children)

Pro - slutty filipino girls

Cons - might end up married to one

[–]PhaedrusHunt 56 points57 points  (4 children)

Double con: might be a lady boy

[–]mileswept 53 points54 points  (10 children)

Heh, I'm Filipino and this is true. You can also try this with Indians.

Hell, have a profile picture that looks foreign to us and you'd boost your chances of getting accepted.

[–]textualintercourse 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Worked a few years in Manila. They are some racist people. Yayas, anyone from the "province", or with darker skin, lose.

Being white, no matter how shitty, beta, fat, and contemptible, you win. Those women will devour you for skin color and green card alone. Play your cards right, keep your shit wrapped, you are king of the islands.

I recommend everyone to head over at least one time in your life.

[–]mileswept 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Filipinos usually have this 'colonial mentality'. Anything white to them is godsent. Like you said, any white male beta with like a hundred bucks can get laid if directed to the right avenue. I'm not naive to put up a front about how this isn't true because it's a common thing now.

And yes, if you want to feel pampered and feel like a king, visit the Philippines.

[–]Gawernator 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Why is it like that though?

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    [–]mileswept 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Easily because: more friends = more social points.

    Filipinos usually stack their accounts with a thousand easy so they could boast about it to their friends. The foreign bit is that they feel a lot more special if a foreign guy seeks them out for their profile-- this applies to males, too, since a lot of gay men are on FaceBook.

    [–]farooq7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Colonial mentality. Sense of power.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 420 points421 points  (29 children)

    A lot of people disliking tinder here, and not enough gratefuleness at OP for his incredibly detailed guide to optimizing tinder use. Thanks for that and the links, mate. This is all very interesting and will put it to good use. Please ignore the haters and do keep contributing.

    [–]Red_Faust 43 points44 points  (18 children)

    This.

    TRP is full of belligerent nitpicky aspies, who when presented with actionable information are too eager to cry "sour grapes".

    Whoever is playing the field these days knows for a fact that night game is all but dead as the chicks have moved to Tinder to hookup. You can adapt or you can cry for the spilled milk.

    I already do many of the things OP says in the post but again there are some useful tips on things I hadn't noticed, so thanks /u/corsega.

    One thing: you don't need an external client like tind3r.com since tinder.com actually works. Haven't tried resetting my account (I don't seem to be needing it), so I don't know if tind3r.com is better than tinder.com for that.

    [–]JcHgvr 23 points24 points  (8 children)

    Creating new profiles and accounts every weekend plus adding friends all over again and again and again is actionable?

    How much free time does one have to have to be able to do this ? Because I sure as fuck could not find the time to do all that for a chance of one fuck per week. If that was getting me a fresh pussy on a daily basis we could talk.

    [–]refunkulation 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    One more optimization tip, become acquainted with Upwork.

    Go to Upwork, hire a Filipino to create the FB accounts with 100 friends for fixed price of x amount (no more than $5-$10 per account with 500 friends).

    Live your life

    Optimizing your life hiring people abroad is the way to basically live these days. Takes time to build up an army of people doing tasks for me but it makes for more productive lifestyle.

    [–]corsega[S] 16 points17 points  (6 children)

    Takes an hour a week, less if you have it down to a science like me.

    If you're not willing to put in the work, feel free to keep getting laid less, though.

    [–]JcHgvr 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I think I'll survive with getting laid one time less per week. I'm not on social media anyway. So for me it's not worth the hassle.

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        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        night game might be dead but it really isn't. My old flatmate is pretty much brain dead when it comes to technology. Dude is from the 1990's. He still managed to pick chicks up at bars (he's the type who'll go to bars alone, sit and talk to the bar tender and chat up all the girls who come by to order drinks).

        Personally, I'm not gonna go to some bar alone like that (I don't drink that much) but I haven't had to use Tinder since last summer cuz I meet enough girls while I'm out doing shit. Day game is where it's at... I guess I'm lucky that I live in a trendy young neighborhood, but even so, tinder isn't the end all be all, it should just be an aspect of your game, not the whole game in of itself. Nothing builds confidence better than talking to girls face to face and picking them up. Hell, try picking up a girl on the subway, = instant confidence

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          [–]Scandinavianredpill 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          What a shocker. that's how life is. TRP is great, but like with everything it gets boring after a while. tons of new guys coming in to better themselves only to get pussy. The few that manage to get a hang of their life, get a sixpack and learn alot will fuck a ton of girls and then tire out to focus on your own thing instead of investing countless hours into getting women. You will only do that if you don't get any. At this point I like the self improvement part of TRP, but that's it.

          [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 15 points16 points  (0 children)

          Pretty easy to tell who in this comment section has low SMV, and therefore can't make Tinder work for them. It's OK though, they have their daygame(which in all likelihood is orbitting the most attractive girl at the anime convention, which is like being the tallest midget)

          [–]Psychocist 148 points149 points  (26 children)

          That does not sound like little time investment. Recreate my accounts and add 100 friends on fb every week? How is that low investment? I just go through 'em all, maybe buy a boost here and there, usually always have active Tinder pro subscription.. and just deal with whatever matches come through.

          If it dries up then I go through my matches until I'm certain there is nobody worth pursuing THEN I might consider refreshing my account, but I'm usually distracted by something more worthwhile by then.

          But I focus more on retention of women I want to sleep with (plating), and so I can just find a few plates within a month and stop using Tinder altogether for as long as they keep spinning.

          [–]redd_reality 17 points18 points  (5 children)

          Your perspective has everything to do with your smv.

          Funny thing about smv, is that no one knows what it's like to be several points higher or lower than others.

          Unless you go from very low smv, improve and clean up, then place several points higher in smv, you won't make the connection.

          My whole game is on trp is to push guys to stop performing/pua tactics and just stop caring so much. But that perspective is mine because it reflects where my smv is currently and what works best for me.

          [–]corsega[S] 13 points14 points  (4 children)

          Funny thing about smv, is that no one knows what it's like to be several points higher or lower than others.

          That's why I encourage guys to make a fake Tinder with photos of a different guy. It's eye opening.

          When I first signed up I used photos of a male model. That's the true red pill, when you can actually see Hypergamy in action.

          [–]corsega[S] 51 points52 points  (14 children)

          This guide is aimed at the average guy. If you're getting enough matches without having to reset — excellent! No need. but for guys that aren't doing as well as they want to, a profile reset is needed occasionally.

          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 8 points9 points  (4 children)

          why the alternative facebook account btw?

          [–]corsega[S] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

          Not required, but makes it so your mutual friends can't see you're on Tinder. Plus if you're resetting over and over there's a chance that Tinder flags accounts, so you don't want your main email address flagged.

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            [–]corsega[S] 10 points11 points  (7 children)

            I'd call ten minutes of swiping a day little time investment. There's an initial setup cost, but once you have everything up and running, you're set for months.

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              [–]PhaedrusHunt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              This. I'm exactly at the same place as you right now. Don't get me wrong I've slept with a lot of women off of Tinder and other dating apps. But it is certain point it's just better to have a few in reserve. Right now I have four plates and a couple other dates schedule for this week. But I don't pay too much attention to new matches unless they're really hot. After you've done a lot of the leg work of meeting women whether if Tinder in real-life or whatever, it's easier to spend less of your time on that and more time just going into your Rolodex.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              This guide is to bang a new girl every week. You are free to do less work if you want. You could do 1/4 of the work and bang a new girl every month.

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              [–]Psychocist 32 points33 points  (0 children)

              need to fuck women all the time to feel good of about myself

              Agreed. I was there when I first started finding success with women, but sex is quite ordinary now.. and casual sex is vapid, anyway. Maybe it's part of growing up and slowing down (I'm 30 now), but I couldn't care less if I only have sex once a week, so long as I have plenty of time to enjoy it. Quality over quantity!

              [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              enjoy your life doing whatever you enjoy doing, and get out of the house and socialise, do hobbies

              And fuck one new woman a year. This plan is for a new woman every week so it obviously takes more work- but not 52 times the work!

              [–]GR8AGN 166 points167 points  (40 children)

              "Swipe" apps in my opinion have gone the way of dating sites such as e-harmony and match.com. They ran their shelf life when they were the hot new thing to do and now they are at the phase of their life span where it's mostly fat/post wall woman who are looking for a beta provider or attractive women looking for validation/laugh at male desperation.

              Spend your time looking to game women at other places rather than waste your time hoping to strike gold on these swipe apps

              [–]IsolatedBag 110 points111 points  (5 children)

              Almost every college girl and a decent amount of smut high school girls still use tinder a lot. (I’m on the East coast if that matters)

              [–]askmrcia 13 points14 points  (0 children)

              Agree. I can see where the guy is coming from where the shelf life has run its course. It hasn't fully yet.

              Its getting there, but not yet. Yes a lot of fake profiles, bots and inactive accounts are on tinder.

              However, I can walk into any bar literally any bar in my city with a decent crowd and there will be girls sharing phones with eachother as they swipe through tinder accounts.

              Its crazy how common it is now. I remember people were seemed as losers for even being on any dating site, but now its pretty normal.

              [–]1sailorJery 15 points16 points  (3 children)

              I don't use those apps specifically because I kept getting matched with high schoolers. I can tell when a chick is lying about her age much easier in person than I can in the seconds it takes me to swipe.

              [–]Rollo_Mayhem3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              i can attest to increasing their age. A girl I banged, eventually matched with me and it had her age 3 years older (23), she was 20 a the time.

              [–]corsega[S] 72 points73 points  (29 children)

              Waste your time looking to game women at other places rather than spend your time striking gold on these swipe apps

              Fixed it for you.

              Go ahead and spend four hours walking around a city, find 15 girls worth approaching, and get three numbers.

              Go ahead and spend four hours on a night out at a club, spend $40 on cover and drinks, find 10 girls worth approaching, and get one number.

              No thanks. I'll continue my 10 minutes a day swiping on the toilet and scheduling dates.

              Apps are a more efficient use of time for pretty much everyone, and it's not even a comparison.

              [–]WolfofAnarchy 66 points67 points  (21 children)

              A problem with this sub is that people take themselves (like you do now) way too seriously.

              I agree with the dude above, those apps have gone down in quality a lot.

              It's a lot more fun to go out, have fun with mates, and then if you see hot chicks, approach and go for it. Since most people aren't a 8+, they won't have a lot of success on Tinder (not none, just not a lot), yet maybe they have incredible confidence, body language and a fantastic voice. Then they should ONLY go out and stop using any of those apps.

              [–]Canedude08 45 points46 points  (15 children)

              It's hilarious how many of these Pro-Tinder guys think that we are just walking around trying to hit on women, as if that's the only thing a man does. No, you live your life, and if a woman comes across that fits the bill, then you take a shot. I go out to have a good time, and if a woman wants to be part of that, then so be it. Never, and I repeat, never make a woman the center of your social life.

              [–]corsega[S] 21 points22 points  (11 children)

              No, you live your life, and if a woman comes across that fits the bill, then you take a shot. I go out to have a good time, and if a woman wants to be part of that, then so be it.

              The amount of approachable women I see while going about my daily business averages out to roughly 0 per day. Try building abundance with those kind of numbers.

              [–]Canedude08 3 points4 points  (8 children)

              Well, then either you aren't paying attention, or most likely you are stuck in a place where the talent isn't good. I'd consider moving to somewhere better if possible. I've been fortunate to live in some very target rich environments, so I tend to make my hay just going about my daily life. Then again, I do work in a field in which I deal with a lot of people on a daily basis, so that also helps.

              [–]RedPilledRoaster 23 points24 points  (2 children)

              Don’t make women the center, oh wait now move somewhere else to get women.

              Flawed logic friend.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Don't make a WOMAN the center.

              If you want WOMEN to be your main hobby then more power to you.

              [–]anonlymouse 17 points18 points  (0 children)

              This is pretty stupid. If you're getting results with tinder/whatever, why the fuck would you move somewhere else just to get results without using tinder?

              [–]LonesomeHank 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              I kind of get your sentiment here but OP is right in saying that you still stand a bigger chance of scoring on the swipe apps rather than looking for approachable women. Having said that, I'd like to make it clear that I'm not that big a fan of Tinder as mostly it has women looking for validation. Fuck them.

              [–]vicious_armbar 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              most likely you are stuck in a place where the talent isn't good. I'd consider moving to somewhere better if possible

              I don't disagree. But that's not possible for everyone. In order to move to a more target rich environment I'd have to: give up custody of my son, to move to a higher cost of living and higher tax area, then hand over 1/3rd of my pretax salary in child support on top of that. Not worth it from a financial standpoint. Not to mention that his mom is a loser and I don't trust her to raise him.

              [–]gELSK 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              // , I don't really see guys having a good time in these bars and clubs.

              I went out to a couple, just to observe, and it seemed really sad.

              Drinking and talking and sitting

              [–]vicious_armbar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              It's hilarious how many of these Pro-Tinder guys think that we are just walking around trying to hit on women, as if that's the only thing a man does. No, you live your life, and if a woman comes across that fits the bill, then you take a shot.

              You can still do that while using online dating apps.

              [–]corsega[S] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

              I agree with the dude above, those apps have gone down in quality a lot.

              Of course they have. But the reason I fired back is that insinuating that they're full of "mostly fat/post wall woman who are looking for a beta provider or attractive women looking for validation/laugh at male desperation" is laughable. There are hot girls on swipe apps and they do meet up with guys.

              It's a lot more fun to go out, have fun with mates, and then if you see hot chicks, approach and go for it.

              Depends on the person. Some of us don't like going out. I don't drink, personally, and my friends don't tend to hang out at bars.

              And there's no reason why you can't combine going out at night with using Tinder during the day.

              [–]steppenwolfofwallst 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Very true. Tinder has a lot of hot women on it. Granted, it is a lot of effort to go from swiping, to matching, to messaging, to a date (my stats are similar to yours), but I've met some very hot ones. I swipe right on probably half though, because there are some awful ones, just like in real life.

              [–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I see both sides to this. I really do.

              Hear me out.

              I agree with the dude above, those apps have gone down in quality a lot.

              This is no doubt true, but you can still get chicks on there. The Quality has gone down because now there are a shit ton of inactive accounts on there, bots, girls who use it for validation, and fatties. However, you still have girls on there that maybe just moved to a new city, work shitty hours (med school/nurses) to the point they don't go out often, or college students back home for break. So those girls still exist on there.

              It's a lot more fun to go out, have fun with mates, and then if you see hot chicks, approach and go for it.

              This is true too. However, I go out a lot and let me tell you a lot of girls aren't that approachable as many here claim they are.

              There are tons of women who go out and stick to their groups, only dance with their groups and have their heads buried into their phones.

              And yea sure, you may get a number, but numbers don't mean shit now a days. Women hand that out like candy. You can text them the next day only to never hear from them again and that's basically the same thing as tinder.

              The thing with bars/clubs when comparing it to tinder is that its more work. You have to drive to said place, you're going to spend money on drinks and its not like you're some god where you're going to pull every chick you hit on. you could be spend maybe 20mins just talking to one girl or dancing with one girl and nothing comes out of it.

              I'll say this because I agree with you in some ways. I think people really need to stop relying on tinder and bars/clubs for women. Its way easier to meet them at some social event, party, or day game activity.

              [–]redvelvet_oreo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              IMO Tinder is great for finding someone to pump and dump. Finding any kind of quality chick on swipe apps is like a needle in a hay stack. They do exist but your going through a lot of snatches that have been filled with dicks just to find it.

              I personally have had better luck finding quality chicks in person. Whether it be through different social circles or just gaming chicks at bars/clubs/resorts/restaurants etc.

              To each their own though. Tinder is exactly what it suppose to be fast and to the point.

              Also wrap your cocks up. Most these bitches on tinder are not even self aware of their own bodies except they know how to get attention and a dick shoved in them and they get their period once a month.

              Im cool with a HB9 (was an orbiter of her before TRP) but in retrospect im glad I never smashed. She actually confided in me that she has herpes. She has Type 2 from what the doctor told her which she thought was the "good type" lol. Needless to say shes has fucked over 40 guys off tinder. No idea if shes disclosed this information to them.

              Stay woke

              [–]redd_reality 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              You're using it wrong if you have this perspective. Every girl who fucks is on tinder.

              [–]KumonRoguing 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              If you're near a big city or colleges tinder is still popping.

              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              I get a bunch of 7s/8s/9s on tinder and bumble. The rest aren't worth the time.

              Fair warning: 9s on dating apps tend to be total cunts. They already get guys offline all the time so they're just looking to upgrade as high as possible and get sugar daddied by multiple guys.

              [–]1Harry_Wangs 59 points60 points  (14 children)

              I recently moved to a new city. I used Tinder for a few bangs, but I don't really use it much anymore. If I had proper pictures I would get more.

              Yet, I still am uncertain if it is worth using. Three things to consider:

              1) Tinder gives you a boost when you first start, your matches will decrease each month.

              2) Overall quality is lower than what you get in real life. More than half the hot girls there are just there for validation. Really only the less hot girls want to meet up and bang. There are exceptions of course. In person, most girls that pursue me are 6-8s. On tinder I am only getting 5-6s who want to meet up.

              3) It is time consuming. It is definitely not true that it takes 10 minutes a day. I only take 4-6 tinder messages until I get a phone number. Even then, texting so many girls takes time. Tinder girls are also fickle. If you don't message quickly after you match, they lose interest.

              4) Zero chance of LTR-material. I will never LTR a tinder/bumble/hinge/etc... girl. I am more of a quality over quantity guy, so these dating apps are not good for that. Even if the girl is good looking, most high quality girls are not on dating apps

              [–]corsega[S] 15 points16 points  (7 children)

              1) Tinder gives you a boost when you first start, your matches will decrease each month.

              Read the Weekly Routine section for how to get around that.

              In person, most girls that pursue me are 6-8s. On tinder I am only getting 5-6s who want to meet up.

              Sounds like your profile could use some improvement. I get hotter girls from Tinder than I do from real life. It doesn't take that much time/effort to get better photos, and if you can use them for several years, it's definitely worth it.

              It is time consuming. It is definitely not true that it takes 10 minutes a day. I only take 4-6 tinder messages until I get a phone number. Even then, texting so many girls takes time.

              You're going to need to text girls no matter where you meet them, so this is a moot point.

              [–]1Harry_Wangs 8 points9 points  (4 children)

              Yes, my profile can definitely be improved and I would get more matches, no doubt.

              The weekly thing is clever, I admit.

              My issue with time investment stems from the fact that it is hard to screen the girls online. I am spending time getting girls on dates and going on dates with girls I might not necessarily like. Whereas with social circle or game, I can screen the girl much better to see if she is worth my time. With online dating, the girl usually also looks worse than the pictures.

              I work pretty long hours, so my free time is valuable. A date means I don't get to sleep so much at night, which also means my work, working out, etc... suffers the next day. Especially since I usually bang my date (even if I don't vibe that well) and have to clean my sheets, tidy up, etc...

              [–]corsega[S] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

              My issue with time investment stems from the fact that it is hard to screen the girls online.

              Ask for her Instagram or plug her phone number into Facebook and get her profile. It's pretty easy to get an idea of who a girl is just by stalking her on social media if you've gone on enough dates. Especially helpful are if you stumble on her YouTube channel and get an actual video of her talking. I rarely get surprised anymore, often I can predict exactly how a girl will answer a question on a date before I even ask it.

              #stalker

              At the end of the day, you are right: if you're looking for something more serious, online is not the way to go. Which is why I call them "online fucking apps", not "online dating apps." :)

              [–]1Harry_Wangs 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              I do the stalking thing haha. But somehow, these girls still look way better on Instagram. Overall, I like what you shared, it has value.

              I definitely agree that the cost of paying for the subscription is a better ROI than buying drinks every weekend.

              [–]1Revo_Luzione 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yeah, women have a lock on the photography secrets of bumping SMV 1-2 points. Judge accordingly.

              [–]1Revo_Luzione 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              On Bumble, a lot of girls list their Instagram in their bios. It's a thirst trap, but still a way to screen.

              [–]THE_Aft_io9_Giz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              taking good pics...use a tripod and a timer if you have to. Or a good video camera and take screenshots from the video, which actually works very well. Here's a very good reference video about taking profile pics from a pro: It's all about the Jaw!

              [–]1htbf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Point 4 used to be true but not anymore. Girls are bored and if they are single, they don't have a single reason not to be on Tinder, no matter how unicorny they are.

              I know sluts that are not on Tinder and I know "good" girls that are on Tinder.

              [–]PhaedrusHunt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I think you're kind of really depends on where you live and the demographic of woman you're looking for.

              I live in Austin. There are TONS of hot women here. So that means there are actually a lot of hot women on dating apps. I've been single and back in the game for about 2 years. Believe me I have slept with some really fine women from apps. A couple legit tens and several eights and nines.

              I'm dating one right now that is a 10 to me (probably more of an 8 to most guys it's a personal taste thing). She's also super cool. I have a married plate in an open relationship. 9 for sure. She looks like a damn supermodel. I Stevie Nicks banged Angelina Jolie or something. She's 39 so she's a 9 now but she was definitely a 10. Couple other women that are really attractive. I dated a 9 I met on Tinder for a year. She was sexy in a super slutty way. Physical appearance between Dolly Parton and Patricia Arquette but stylistic sensitivity of Joan Jett (note to all guys out there: don't get seriously involved with chicks that are into metal. They're whores). I hooked up with one chick on there it was a legit 10. She looked like a Victoria's Secret model. I hooked up with a twenty-two-year-old Haitian chick with a body like an Olympic athlete. Honestly not really my cup of tea but it was a hell of an experience.

              Now here's another thing is crazy. I matched with his woman I used to work with. She's from Paris but her Heritage is Arabic and Caribbean with some French also. She was 54 and smmmmmooooookin hot. You'd have to see it to believe it.

              I went out the other night with a girl I met on Tinder. 35, recently divorced. High 8. Ginger. I ate her out in her car then went on my way home. Probably going to bang next week. Maybe not I don't really care.

              Pointers that you can still meet a lot of good looking women on these apps. Yeah it takes some time but it's better than spending all your money at the bar

              [–]redd_reality 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I hear your hamster wheel creaking from across the room bro.

              [–]ConsumingImpulse 68 points69 points  (2 children)

              This is all WAY too much fucking effort for a load of apps filled with boring, flaky women who half the time aren't even there to be useful and hook up, but instead just sit there and get swiped on as yet another form of undeserved validation.

              [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

              I tend to agree. A 5 or 6 on Tinder behaves like she's a 8.

              If you're a male 7 or 7.5, you will have infinite more success if you're hitting on 5s and 6s in person. Just don't make approaching your full time job and become a guy who gets kicked out of every shopping mall in the town.

              [–]TerrificMcSpecial 44 points45 points  (0 children)

              This kind of lifestyle is corrosive to the soul. This whole post just makes me really sad for this upcoming generation.

              [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 12 points13 points  (1 child)

              Lol @ getting a pro to give you photos, but balking at 10$ a month.

              You know when people talk about congruence? This is the kind of stuff they mean.

              If you have a medium to high-status job, list it. If you went to college, list it.

              Why signal for BB status, when your goal is to fuck?

              Answer three of the questions in a witty, intellectual way

              I'm starting to think you're a dating coach. This is reading like upstreamtwitter, not people who fuck.

              Trying to remember the tinder guide here, was it humansockpuppet, GLO, or one of the old vanguards?

              Interested to see how this works in the field.

              [–]corsega[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Lol @ getting a pro to give you photos, but balking at 10$ a month

              I took my own photos.

              Why signal for BB status, when your goal is to fuck?

              Because girls fuck high-status guys. Especially on Hinge and CMB where it's more professional chicks.

              I'm starting to think you're a dating coach. This is reading like upstreamtwitter, not people who fuck.

              Can't argue with success.

              [–]Kennigmatic 9 points10 points  (1 child)

              Stopped reading after White...

              [–]bcool47 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Exactly. Had 1600+ matches on my old account. Black dude.

              [–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

              Jeezus I'd rather just jack off.

              [–]amekooky 21 points22 points  (2 children)

              Also tinder doesn’t require Facebook anymore, found this out after deactivating my Facebook acct in august.

              [–]Jonlife 46 points47 points  (25 children)

              Or you could avoid this nonsense all together and spend time on doing things that actually make you happy, instead of trying to lie your way into some 4.00 pussy. Trust me guys. Fake profiles, and auto swipe bots/scripts? The sad part is that there are some men desperate enough on here to actually go through all this trouble. Lololololol

              And to think you call yourselves red pilled. This belongs in the pua sub where men are still completely fine with manipulating and lying... All for getting some 2.00 pussy (the price of ratchet pussy keeps falling when dealing with people who have zero morals).

              Seriously, work on yourselves and then you won't have to worry about heading this route. Lying is never the option. Anyone who tells you otherwise is unfit to give you life advice and should be avoided like the plague.

              [–]Lendoran 14 points15 points  (1 child)

              Honestly even the PUA guys would laugh at this kind of shit. They actually go out and approach women.

              [–]Jonlife 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              There's decent chunk of puas who's bread and butter was online dating. This blog post is from a wannabe pua. Most decent puas don't have time for this. They'll hire a kid like this and have him automate everything for them while they continue to go out.

              Online dating is basically young women trying to get with the most successful males. It's a money exchange and some women just up and say up front what they're looking for. There's literally sugar baby apps for women offering their services to guys who can afford it. All dating apps are basically a form of men paying for women, whether it's sex or a meal (the women always decide who they open up their legs to). Blue pill cucks always end up paying the most as their negotiating skills are dog shit.

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                [–]Jonlife 6 points7 points  (20 children)

                Nope. Because OP still thinks that looking like Brad Pitt will get him pussy. Lying to a woman when you look like a 5 or a 6 (which means you're under 6ft tall for most men) will not help you. It will only let them know they should never trust you.

                We men hate it when women post pics of themselves when they're actually 20 lbs heavier. It's deceptive and we think less of a woman who tries to do that. This is no different what op is suggesting.

                Also, stop thinking that women care about looks. It's a shit test when they say you need to be over 6ft tall. Height is the one thing you cannot alter or fake. This is why they say this. Women honestly don't care. Yes, looking like Brad Pitt def helps, but in the end location and how prosperous you are will Trump anything op says over this pua post he's trying to pass off as "red pill" (which it's not).

                If I had a dime for every confident fat slob I see daily who has women all over him (because he's was confident, funny and most importantly, has money/success) I'd be a millionaire.

                Get it out of your thick heads that women can be controlled. Women are only loyal to their hypergamous nature. Married women cheat more than single women. And single women love fucking with married men. What part of women being literally insane do you not comprehend. The best thing you can do, for your own health (physically and mentally) is to avoid any cunt who uses apps like tinder.

                If you're using apps like tinder I know to swipe left on you in real life.

                The amount of women I've fucked in the back of a disgusting alley because I refused to pay for a hotel is too much. Even worse, most of them found doing shit like that as being so "adventurous." No bitch, you simply aren't worth the money it costs for a hotel (btw, no woman is worth getting a hotel room for). I've fucked more women in the back of my old car then I care to admit (I only stopped fucking in my car because it started fucking up my knees to the point where thinking about it still makes them ache).

                Women are literally insane. But once you figure out how to crack them it's doesn't matter how you look. All that matters is location and getting access to them. Don't live in small shit town, plain and simple.

                Seriously, pussy is overrated and dangerous (thank God I never caught anything...alot of these chicks could barely boil water let alone knew how to apply deodorant....yes fellas... Alot of super models have horrible hygiene, smell, and not in a good way).

                Stop lying to yourselves and delete tinder. Thank me later

                [–]corsega[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                If I had a dime for every confident fat slob I see daily who has women all over him (because he's was confident, funny and most importantly, has money/success) I'd be a millionaire.

                You are so full of shit.

                Post photos of them. I'll be waiting for the proof.

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                  [–]Jonlife 2 points3 points  (12 children)

                  That's because tinder is GARBAGE. But guys still think they'll be finding that unicorn on the there. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it.

                  [–]Jonasena 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                  Haha the amount of bull shit in one post exceeds my wildest imagination. It is like you live in a completely different world if you actually believe this

                  [–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (2 children)

                  The pussy is never free. Better to spent your time gaining $ and fuck 9/10 escorts. Chase money, never chase women.

                  [–]mohchapa 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                  Chase a check, never chase a bitch

                  Don't chase no bitches

                  [–]Vietnom 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                  One of the most pathetic things I've ever read online. If you put that much into a project that created value, you'd be rich and wouldn't have to worry about any of this.

                  [–]corsega[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                  Already rich. Guess why... because I have the same attention to detail in my personal life as well.

                  [–]Vietnom 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Fair enough. Sorry for being a dick this was just kinda surprising.

                  [–]avocadowithsalt123 17 points18 points  (1 child)

                  All that to get two actual dates? Dude..I do not know what to say. This is funny. Cold approach will get you more for less time even if you are 3/10.

                  [–]corsega[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Nope. I've tested both methods. Online is more efficient.

                  [–]dontbethatguynow 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                  • see attractive girl, go talk to her.

                  Fixed it.

                  [–]TheseNthose 24 points25 points  (13 children)

                  i'm over 35 use two selfies and a pic dressed up for work. Bio is a funny sarcastic one liner. I use an alt FB profile with zero friends. Match, meet, date and lay women 10 years younger. That's what i call no time investment. Not gonna jump through hoops for chics over an app. That shit's for the birds.

                  I think you're just trying to get people to come your blog.

                  [–]corsega[S] 13 points14 points  (12 children)

                  i'm over 35 use two selfies and a pic dressed up for work. Bio is a funny sarcastic one liner. I use an alt FB profile with zero friends. Match, meet, date and lay women 10 years younger.

                  Congratulations, you're naturally good-looking! As I said in another comment, try using Tinder for a week as a guy with an average-looking face, and you'll understand why optimization is needed for more of us.

                  [–]1Revo_Luzione 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                  OP, how much age-lying can you get away with? I'm 43. I consistently get mid-30's when I ask people to guess how old I am, but I don't think I can get away with 27.. maybe if I dye my hair & a few other things.

                  I'm on bumble now with my actual age, and I consistently match with late 20's dames. I set 18-32 as my age range, and still get a few matches. I've got decent pics.

                  [–]corsega[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  If you're 43 you can't fake 27. I know a couple of 40+ guys that set it to 35 and are still able to match younger girls.

                  [–]TheseNthose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  if you just want ass up that max age. There's still some hot career broads on bumble in their mid 30s

                  [–]RedPilledRoaster 34 points35 points  (1 child)

                  Some of the most desperate shit I’ve ever seen LOL

                  [–]HoneySquash 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  This is just ridiculous. So desperate to satisfy their urges.

                  [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                  SF is a tough city... Total cockfest.

                  If you have the opportunity, go to NYC or DC or Denver. Not NJ, not MD (cuck state), Arlington is okay if you're around DC, and no Denver burbs.

                  I'm very tall, fit, make bank, but have a pretty average face. I can do 23 dates in a week before it starts to get tough... Wait listing the lower ranked girls to the next week. Follow the TRP sidebar on how to talk to women and you'll be sleeping with 5+ women.

                  January is good because they're getting pressure from family. Mid February is even better because they're feeling so insecure by social media. You can easily pull a notch or two above your looks, and still get tons of dates/sex.

                  [–]Redditor2000000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Genius, the only reason you're getting "tons of dates/sex" is because you're very tall. So how does your post add anything to this thread?

                  [–]Whitified 11 points12 points  (6 children)

                  my main problem with apps is that since every girl has a profile where she states her requirements, you're basically qualifying yourself to her the minute you talk to her.

                  Much more fun to just approach strangers IRL and make them qualify themselves

                  [–]smirk_addict 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Struggle with this too. Maybe it’s good because it means there is a sense of pride. It’s already an uphill battle because the girl is full of herself and any match/message validates her sense of entitlement. I’ve gotten around it with being cocky/funny but it’s hardly worth the effort. They ghost, flake or uninstall the app and I’ve wasted some of my best material..

                  [–]corsega[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  Most girls don't state their requirements on Tinder/Bumble. And even if they do, just ignore them.

                  [–]Psychocist 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                  This is RP 101, and I can't believe it's been upvoted -- don't listen to what women say, listen to what they do. Many women will say they aren't down for hook ups who will suck you dry within 30 minutes of meeting you. Ignore whatever comes out of their mouth, and ignore whatever they say in their profile. Run your game and escalate.. that's how you work out what she's really like.

                  [–]Whitified 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  true. But I can argue too it's less convenient to run Game when through an app. Many women will swipe right too the moment they see I'm not White, for instance. It's not their fault, there's just no chance to Game yet. That's why many Players prefer real life hookups. Personal preference, perhaps.

                  [–]Psychocist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  It is true..

                  Case in point I just lost a few matches that I was talking to trying to hook up tonight because they don't even know what they're getting into. They can't hear my voice, they can't see my body language, they don't know if I'm relaxed and confident or thirsty and anxious. I might even start getting some of these chicks on the phone.. it's impossible to sell any kind of personality over text.

                  So yeh, even though I have enough successes to keep me busy, I am by no means satisfied with this method of gaming.

                  [–]askmrcia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Most of those requirements are bullshit and hot air. They say things they don't mean.

                  The only one maybe when they list the height.

                  But if they say shit like "not into hookups, you better have a dog, my dog better like you, I hope you don't wear such and such shirts, I hope you're not a such and such fan,ect.." All that is bullshit.

                  [–]terrorismofthemind 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                  As someone who got a lot of pussy in middle and high school, but then became a “relationship guy” at the end of high school - I never really understood “hook up culture”.

                  What is appealing about hooking up with 52 slags a year? Aren’t you concerned about rape accusations and STD’s and shit?

                  Im really not hating - cause like I said I fucked around when I was younger, but all we had back then was 10cent text messages and AOL instant messenger (and I was a kid) so modern hook-up culture is completely alien to me.

                  So what is the appeal of APP sluts exactly and why aren’t you trying to find a nice girl to pass your seed onto?

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  A lot of guys seem to think that make whores don't exist. Fucking random women every couple of days must have some sort of prolonged effects on the psyche.

                  [–]corsega[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  Aren’t you concerned about rape accusations and STD’s and shit?

                  Don't hook up with crazy girls and use condoms.

                  why aren’t you trying to find a nice girl to pass your seed onto?

                  LOL at the idea of finding a "nice girl" in 2017. She's not yours, it's just your turn.

                  [–]terrorismofthemind 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Condoms don’t always work.

                  Oral STDs exist.

                  And that is the most beta shit I’ve ever heard.

                  [–]pinkpeachdust 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                  I've only read half of it but two quick things from a girl's perspective:

                  Don't have your first pic as a group photo- normally I'm too lazy to swipe thru the others to work out which one you are

                  If I was a guy I wouldn't use superlikes at all, to me they just subconsciously make you seem desperate

                  [–]masterbate-n-switch 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                  Is your next blog post: home remedies for VD?

                  [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (12 children)

                  White is a requirement? I beg to differ.

                  [–]corsega[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                  Never said it was a requirement. Read the post.

                  [–]I_dontevenlift 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Its not. I am a minority and i slay more than my white friends.

                  [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children)

                  Redpill is about the truth, no bs just for the sake of PC. Yes it is a requirement, the way the post is titled. Observe a white girl swiping on tinder.

                  [–]amekooky 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                  My roommate plays this system like a fiddle, and he has zero day game.

                  [–]steppenwolfofwallst 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  Good advice!

                  I have used some similar techniques to do pretty well (a lot of dates with girls half my age). I agree you should lie about your age. I put mine at 28. However, I recommend using Tinder Plus/Gold to then hide your age (a feature of Gold). This creates some plausible deniability if they figure out you're older than they expected.

                  I occasionally do reset my accounts if it goes dry, but overall I find that boosts get me good exposure to pretty girls. For me, this is a better deal than spending a lot of time each week creating new emails and Facebooks. If you buy 10 they are 2.50 each, well worth not spending an hour each week.

                  [–]TheDevilsAdvokaat[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Wow. Very detailed and a lot of good info.

                  [–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  so this is how dating works in 2017... good god no wonder so many guys are " going there own way"

                  [–]THEnimble_mongoose 7 points8 points  (16 children)

                  Create a new fake Gmail account and Facebook event, and add 100 friends again. Go into your Bumble and Tinder accounts associated with your old fake email and hide the profiles to the public. This will make it so you can still chat with your old matches, but won't have two profiles up at once. Create new Bumble and Tinder accounts. Follow the exact same methods as you did last week regarding using your Tinder Boost and autoswiping on Bumble, but tweak your photos/bio using feedback from the last week.

                  WTF?

                  you don't have to try this hard or put in this much effort. Just have good photos and be in good shape and look good. Be direct in messages. Don't try so hard or invest so much time.

                  It's a lot easier to meet girls in real life then jump through all these hoops you set up for yourself. Go out and try it, you'd be surprised.

                  [–]corsega[S] 15 points16 points  (15 children)

                  you don't have to try this hard or put in this much effort. Just have good photos and be in good shape and look good.

                  Spoken like someone who's naturally good looking. Here's a challenge for you: use the photos of a guy with an average-looking face for a week and see how you do on Tinder. I challenge you.

                  [–]legitimateusername4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  This is well outlined and very good, thanks OP.

                  So much better than another fucking MAN YOU GOTTA LIFT post.

                  [–]Alphafagtrainer 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                  You need to be a pretty diligent creep to put all that work in.

                  [–]MrEscher 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                  Jesus christ the amount of time that you put into this is absurd.

                  This reeks of something lowly

                  [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                  Jesus man, you are overanalyzing running game way too hard. If you have to try this hard, your time would be better spent self improving yourself and then the chicks would naturally come to you.

                  [–]corsega[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  improving yourself and then the chicks would naturally come to you.

                  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

                  Boy, that was a good one. The good ol' red pill myth. Yes, just improve yourself and women will be flooding your inbox wanting to bang you without you lifting a finger!

                  [–]francisco_DANKonia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  My message to date ratio is way lower (1 out of maybe 1000). I'd need more info on that.

                  [–]Luckylancer96 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I dont like fuck apps but I havent seen a guide as good as this one. You wrote down every detail, facebook friends included.

                  [–]rakibwashere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Thanks. This is really detailed

                  [–]Snufek 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                  what would be a 5/10+ face for a man?

                  [–]Werewolf35b 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  I like this post

                  Only thing I don't like is the idea that you should have a pic with friends.

                  I'd be pissed if my friend was on a dating site and has a pic of both of us there! Even worse is when it's a sleazy guy on Craigslist trying to cheat on his wife and he has a pic with her there!!

                  [–]TENNOU 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  You deserve a gold, best tips so far.

                  [–]Izakthegreat23 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                  How do I know if my face is above a 5 lmao

                  [–]corsega[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                  Put a high-quality photo of just your face up on Tinder with a simple bio. Swipe on 500 girls. If you get more than say... 2 matches in a week, you're probably a 5+/10. Obviously this varies with location, but it's a place to start.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                  5'3" Asian male here. Working out isn't going to help that. Haha.

                  [–]lordkrink 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                  I'm tall, and even though I know women are biologically wired to prefer tall men, I think heightism is one of the worst injustices, makes me angry. It's insanity to think on how a few centimeters of bone have such an effect on the life of a human being. Nature is cruel.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  ya well, when I finally accepted that no amount of working out and improving my personality and being rich is going to change that, I actually felt much better, because I can accept that girls don't like me because of my height, not because of something I'm doing wrong.

                  [–]shockinghillaryquote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Eastern Europe, here I come.

                  [–]Extremely_Photogenic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Here's a strategy I use to avoid messing with my Tinder ELO. Set your range to as far as you want. Wait a few days at that range and then set your range to 1 mile. The only women who will show up are the ones within 1 mile (likely not too many) and any girl that right swiped you. Guarantees 95% match rate for your right swipes.

                  [–]skinbrother1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I tried making a facebook account to add filipinos and FB blocked me for suspicious activity....

                  [–]Immortal_Decisions 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I am a Filipino and this is straight facts, White and tall is a 10 for Filipino girls.

                  [–]Your_Coke_Dealer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Solid post with both social and technical advice for using dating apps without wasting your time. This sub needs more of these

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

                  Wow. First off I have way lower match rates but almost all of them turn into “dates”. Maybe it’s who I’m swiping on.

                  Also, I take issue with super likes. This doesn’t work. I know because I worked on a Tinder clone app for a client and spent plenty of time in male and female profiles. The guys who super like are thirsty and look so. Don’t lump yourself in with them.

                  You are right that guys that are 5’s, if they play the game right, can actually get dates on tinder. I’ve seen it. If you’re a 9 it’s like shooting fish in a barrel but guys who are 5-6’s whine like little bitches about all the super hot chads getting all the pussy. If you are a 5 I promise you can bang 7’s on tinder. But you have to be smart and work the system.

                  What I learned from working on a Tinder clone

                  I had to build and use male and female profiles to understand the “game” and user behaviors so I could advise my client during design and development. The budget was small so this is not exhaustive.

                  1. There are some perfect 10 chad thundercocks on there. They could fuck any woman on earth. They’re like 1% of the guys on there though.
                  2. 95% of dudes have terrible profiles. Hot or ugly your profiles all suck.
                  3. Thus 5% of the profiles are clever/funny and have good quality photos showing them off in various activities and dress (active, formal, on vacay, etc...)

                  Guys seriously, this isn’t fishing where you just toss a line in. You can seriously up your match potential just by taking some care of your profile. Get some good photos taken of you and write a nice clever/funny profile that shows off your personality.

                  Believe it or not plenty of girls weigh your personality as much as your looks. They’re not only looking for someone decent enough looking to fuck, they want the emotional tingles too and if your personalities are a match this is perfect. Don’t be someone you’re not because then you’ll get the chemistry all wrong. Unless you’re a perfect 10 Chad thundercock but then you can have a shit profile and still get laid. Get this though, there are perfect 10 chads who put time into crafting their profile. Why shouldn’t you?

                  Personally I like day game and cold approaches because I’m really charming in person and I don’t feel like that comes across well in apps. Still I take the time to make my profile really reflect what kind of dude I am. It makes a huge difference than just tossing a line in the water and hoping for a bite.

                  Stack the deck in your favor. Hope is not a strategy.

                  [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (16 children)

                  Jesus.

                  I'm not the coveted master race of White, but I do have a full time job and friends and an actual life.

                  Tinder gets me laid pretty regularly, and with little effort. Guess I should call up all those girls and tell them to disavow sleeping with me, because I'm not a 5'9" white frat bro.

                  (Now that I think on it, Tinder has given me solely white girl sex. Maybe they didn't get the memo that only 23 year old 5'9" white frat guys who fit every stereotype imaginable are the ones who are allowed to have sex!)

                  [–]Kwantuum 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  If you're not white your swipe rate on Tinder goes through the floor. If you're getting laid from Tinder as a non-white you're either in a part of the world where non-whites are very well integrated or you're very good looking.

                  [–]corsega[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                  Sounds like you completely missed the point of the Prerequisites section.

                  [–]AjCheeze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  If your new to Online Dating I highly recommend googling some of the basic scams. Cam Girls, Jailbait scams, Anything Verified person scam, And anything taking you to a different website or app to "chat"(that means the garbage app KIK, SC could be ok though) especially if your already texting. If you found a credit card wall you took it to far dumbass Stop now. All of these waste your time, or money if your dumb. If your in a crappy area with low population you have probably seen all of these considering they are more common than actual people.

                  [–]JcHgvr 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                  Sounds like a metric fuck tonne of work for something that still doesn't guarantee success. I'd rather devote that time to pumping iron and working on my real life success.

                  [–]corsega[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  What if I told you... YOU COULD DO BOTH.

                  <insert image of Morpheus here>

                  [–]ilovevidya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Fuck this guide, I stopped reading about a quarter way through.

                  This is WAAAY to much effort to be putting in for the chance to meet a girl on tinder. Dont follow his advice. If you want to use tinder, upload some photos where you look good, leave the description blank or literally just put a few emoji's, and be picky with the girls you like. I got more matches than OP in a week and i live in Somerset UK, pretty much fucking farm land.

                  I've used tinder with success and got a few lays, but most of the girls you meet will be at least 2/3 points below their photos, and will likely be shallow asf. I think of it like this, in the world we live in where women have such high value because of beta male validation, something must not be quite right with the girl for being on there in the first place. A woman struggling to get laid in this day and age is suspect. Theyve either already sucked every dick in the neighborhood and now need to reach out for new ones, or have dogshit personality's that even beta males cant handle. And this rings true for 99% of the women on there, I haven't met the 1% but I dont want to completely rule them out.

                  So by all means use tinder to get laid, but dont commit any more than 5 minutes to setting up an account or doing all this overthinking shit. Literally I can imagine desperate guys doing all this shit for a tinder match and feeling entitled and needy as fuck when they get some because they spent hours setting the whole thing up.

                  [–]Augustuscrassus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Honestly all you need is a couple of shirtless selfies with abs and be top 10% in terms of facial aesthetics and muscle. Otherwise none of this will actually work.

                  [–]futmut 1 point2 points  (7 children)

                  If you are willing to do all this stuff to get third rate pussy then you might be better with an escort..you spend less and you get more..

                  From personal experiences ive never dated a good looking girl from these apps...Actually the best one was maybe 2 or 3 steps lower then me in beauty...

                  This means it is way better to do some daygame or nightgame, you will get more fun, improve your interactions skills, improve your confidence and might actually get some decent looking pussy unlike online dating apps..

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                  [–]corsega[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I don't think posting pictures publicly is a good idea, but guys can feel free to PM me.

                  [–]odinmeister 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                  I'm 5'4'' - should I even try?

                  [–]corsega[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  5'4" is tough. At that point I would just day/night game and approach shorter girls. Or move to the Philippines or Thailand.

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                  [–]thesmithofwords 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Damn dude, you know your shit.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Cool hacks but some of them are the natural, aka hard way, ie photo op as a leader of men or in exotic places.

                  Perhaps the hack there is photoshop?

                  [–]UnchangedUnmolested 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                  why is one of the requirements to be white, does non-white people have a general worse time online dating or is it just based on your own experience

                  [–]corsega[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                  does non-white people have a general worse time online dating

                  Yes. https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  Any coders out there? I’ve had a good idea for a dating aggregator that brings all dating apps and texts into one spot, kind of like the old school black book, the main reason is to set a respond lock out that forces you to wait the same time they do, thoughts?

                  Great post btw

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