Red Pill TheoryThe 5 stages of becoming a redpill Alpha (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorPopeman79

I. Newbie stage: what is this aggressive fantasy shit?

The average newcomer is probably a young man, out of shape, n-count below 5, addicted to porn and ready to jump through hoops and into a relationship for the first sweet chubby girl who will suck his dick. We’ve all been like this.

Newbie starts lurking at the sub and at first is disgusted by the women-bashing that goes against his core values. The language is for sure very direct and vulgar, and the stories about how these hot college girls were competing to suck the cock of this older guy are really hard to believe.. “What a bunch of fake-macho assholes, they’re probably all virgins and this is fantasy world”, he thinks. Yet something rings true in these stories and for whatever reason, he keeps coming back to the sub.

Lesson learned at this stage: what brought you to TheRedPill is obviously you natural craving for pussy, but also humility. It’s hard to admit that a lot of things you have been taught are wrong, and that you actually don’t know shit. Humility is necessary for growth, without humility you wouldn’t have found TRP. Keep this in mind for the future, when you stop being humble you stop growing.

Risk: the risk at this stage is to hold on for dear life to your bluepill mindset and to your ego, and reject the redpill without actually taking the time to dig in a little.


II. The truth sinks in like a dark cloud

You’ve tried to resist the Truth, because it’s ugly and cold, and it doesn’t sit well with you. But the Truth doesn’t care about your feelings, it just is. Sure, in the upcoming weeks you will apply redpill principles and will be amazed to see them work so well, but you already know it’s the Truth even before you have had the chance to test it: Briffault’s law, the Hamster, female love vs male love, it just hits you in the face and you can’t escape it.

Let’s be fair, this is all VERY depressing. You enter the anger phase. Fuck this society and these lies. Fuck women, I hate them! What’s the point of living this masquerade? You recall all the instances when you thought a woman was actually caring about you, when she was in fact using you. You cringe at the recent memories of bluepill you acting like a doormat.

Lesson learned at this stage: Life in itself is no fairy tale. Swallowing the pill and learning the truth doesn’t make you happier, actually it’s the opposite at first, it makes you sadder.

Risk: The risk is to give in to this desperate state, and say “fuck everything, I’ll just stay home and wank to porn and play video games”. You blame your thirst for pussy, and declare you don’t need women. Problem is, it’s not really about pussy in the end. Blue pill society has made you believe that it’s ok to be weak and the lowest version of yourself. But now TRP teaches you that women won’t get wet for that, rightfully so. If you don’t want to improve and be the best you can be, just admit it and don’t lie to yourself by saying it’s about not wanting pussy. No, it’s about not wanting to grow. Looking at you, the angry half of MGTOW.


III. Ooh so now women want me? I fucking hate them. And those amogging alphas too

A few weeks in, you’ve hit the gym and the first gains are showing fast. Thank god for this boost of confidence, because the rest is much slower: it takes time to internalize everything. You try to act Alpha but you only end up looking like a dick, because it comes from a place of anger rather than confidence. You start spouting some redpill truths that no one wants to hear in a social setting.

But at least you have developed some self-respect and you’d rather lose the girl than act like a doormat. And just like that, you start having some success, albeit limited at first. More important, your eyes are now open and you’re impressed to see how women manipulate and can be manipulated, how superficial they are, how much they fake and lie, etc. The more it works, the more you get pussy, the more you start to hate women for loving the new you more than the old you.

You get average girls with no problem, but your confidence is shattered the minute a true Alpha Chad appears. Suddenly you cease to exist in women’s eyes, he’s so much cooler than you, effortlessly. You feel amogged and you respond by being aggressive against this dude who steals your thunder, and you look like a douche. But as long as Chad isn’t around, you’re doing fine.

Lesson learned at this stage: Be careful what you wished for. You wanted the secret code to have unlimited pussy? Well now that you have it, it doesn’t seem so fun anymore. Understanding nature deprives you of mystery and fantasy.

Risk: You start hating what you crave the most. The risk is to not snap out of this, and become a lying sociopath who relishes using and hurting other people. Also, your friends are really not okay with you improving and disturbing the social balance that was set in your group. They make fun of you trying to improve and, if you listen to them, you’ll be back to smoking weed and playing video games at home every night.


IV. You get pussy, he gets pussy, everyone gets pussy!! And now you’re a social object

A couple of years after swallowing the pill, if you’ve been dedicated to improving, everything becomes natural. You have risen to the top of your social circles. You have social power now, and you understand that this is the currency women live for. Girls, but also guys, bug you constantly and insist just to spend time with you. You must learn how to say ‘no’, to average girls coming straight at you, to beta friends who guilt you into spending another Friday with them, to family members, colleagues, etc. Your social life is boosted and your social media start to be filled with new events and faces. One good thing is that after hating women and their nature, you learn to appreciate them again, but this time for what they really are: bubbly, beautiful creatures that only live in the present and remind us to enjoy every minute of our lives.

Also, you fuck. A LOT. Constantly. Your n-count rises up by dozens in a few months. At parties, good-looking girls come at you and actually compete with one another for your attention. You have multiple plates, you don’t care about dropping some because there are always new women that you are vetting just for the privilege to become part of the rotation. More scaringly, most of your beta friends’ girlfriends have made a move to fuck you. You have, ultimately, the power. And so, the moral responsibility is now your burden, as well as the task to unbetafy your friends.

Lesson learned at this stage: Everybody you know, in your expanding social circle, wants a piece of you. Even if they can’t fuck you, they want to be seen with you, to show you off, just to increase their social value. You start to understand how hot girls, who get a thousand times more attention, become jaded and bitchy. It’s hard to have to reject people constantly while maintaining a good-hearted spirit.

Risk: You are now the king of your own little kingdom, you fuck 6s and 7s constantly with no effort, they just come knocking at your door. Your friends -and their girlfriends- revere you. The risk is to enjoy this too much, be satisfied and stop improving. Soon enough you end up marrying a good looking 6 and get fat while watching football with the same beta friends you had. Still better than your past self, but you could do so much more.. This point is actually where I think a lot of redpillers get stuck. They stop improving the minute all their needs are met.


V. Pizza is awesome, but in the end it’s just pizza. Let’s look for more important things

It’s been a few years now, and you’ve grown into a full-blown alpha. You look much better than you ever did. Not only is your physical frame solid, but also knowing the Truth has molded your brain in a different way, and as mind and body align, you start to have a different stare, a different voice that comes from within, a confident demeanor, a calm and solid posture. People say you’ve changed, but they can’t really pinpoint why. This is why: you own 100% of your shit, you’re basically unshameable. If you get wasted at a bar you’ll still hit on the hottest girl, and will get her to come home, and if you go soft the hot girl will actually be turned on by how much you don’t care about losing her. You’ve had threesomes, sex with gorgeous girls 15 years younger, blowjobs from girls you met in an elevator. You don’t lie because you don’t need to lie anymore. You can tell a girl that you just fucked another girl two hours ago in the same sheets, it doesn’t matter, if she leaves there are so many in line. You realize the stories you read on The Red Pill when you were a newbie were all true, as the same crazy things happen to you, and more.

At this point, pussy is in free access. It’s like pizza. You love it, everybody loves pizza, even bad pizza is still pizza. A few years ago you would have eaten pizza every day if you had the chance, but now you realize it’s just a cool thing you can get whenever you want. You start to enjoy other things than women, like finding and dedicating yourself to your mission, the real friends you have, etc.

Lesson learned at this stage: Now when another Alpha enters the room, you’re actually genuinely happy. What you thought was amogging a few years ago, is actually him testing you to see if you’re solid. Now you stand your ground and banter back, and both guys are delighted to meet another real man in an ocean of male and female betas. Also, neither of you cares about who gets the hottest girl because you have so many chicks lined up, and that’s how you know you’re both Chads. And when you end up turning one of your beta friends into an alpha, there is no better feeling than this.

Risk: In all your masculine glory, you have applied your skills and efforts to something (getting pussy), and have mastered this art. See how amazing that feels, to be on top of that mountain? But there are way bigger mountains around, things more worthy of your masculine energy than pussy. Don’t get stuck on such a trivial thing, find your mission and focus on it.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 310 points311 points  (25 children)

Shoutout to all my stage 2.5 lifers. peace

[–]Showshimselfout 50 points51 points  (3 children)

3.1 here. It's only a life commitment if you agree to let it be that way. Anger is passion, and it's not a bad thing. When you're ready to be done being angry, people will stare in awe of your discipline and ability to self improve.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It takes how ever long it takes, and down to how far behind you're starting (mentally, physically, location, socially, other setbacks new and old) and how much you're willing to work on it and actively stay on top of it.

Being aware of apathy and negative feedback loops that tend to happen with repeated failure at this stage is what usually keeps people here. Learned Helplessness. It's up to the individual to recognise that and take a new perspective.

[–]PM_ME_UR_NIPS_GURL 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Stuck in that awkward transitory phase between level 3 and 4. A long way to go before I get my wings.

[–]Drakonlord 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Been 2.5 for 4 fucking years. Dont date the first 8 that takes interest in you is my advice..

[–]BigMawsmidget 28 points29 points  (2 children)

That phase takes a lot longer than most here are willing to admit.

[–]pevans12 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I mean, to a degree and a point..... if someone can get into Biohacking and realizing life, and intermitted fasting, combined with low carbs.... it takes about a week to program a body to not crave those sweets and high carbs.

/personal experience.

[–]BigMawsmidget 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You sure you mean to reply to me????

[–]GetRichOrDieTRPin 33 points34 points  (11 children)

Fuck. I started reading this shit in 2013. Five years in and I feel like I'm more angry and depressed than ever. My career has taken off and I'm a lot richer but I still feel like life in general isn't enough. I'm lazy as fuck with the gym and I use the internet as a means of escape.

[–]whiteslimshady 38 points39 points  (1 child)

I'd bet money you're eating like shit. Change the diet the body and mind follows later.

[–]kaane 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Great observation.

First comes the diet and sleep. Than comes to body. Only after these guys are functioning, the mind can be at peace

[–]macmeeler 47 points48 points  (0 children)

You’re being a beta bro.

“I’m lazy”

Not only is this self-fulfilling prophecy, it’s defeatist baby bologna. Grow a pair and make a change. RP has taught you how important it is to own yourself and be in charge. Take charge. Go hit the gym every day this month. Laugh at the defeatist attitude you’ve cultivated- it was built off of a beta lie that you’re not a boss.

[–]pevans12 21 points22 points  (5 children)

5 years?

Why haven’t you dedicated some “alone” time to accomplish some ground work basics in your life? Why isn’t the gym a natural motion at this point?

Let me ask you this, how much dirty laundry is sitting around your room/house?

How’s the diet? You eating clean? When’s the last time those sheets have gotten clean?

Is your automobile clean? How’s the grooming? Does something need painted in the house?

Hummmmmm just wondering.

[–]GetRichOrDieTRPin 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Alone time away from work isn't an option for me. I work a lot and I have to be available 24/7... but working long hours isn't an excuse.

I sort of had a redpill "peak" where I was fucking lots of women, working out every day, taking care of myself for about a year... and then I just didn't really get any enjoyment out of it so I stopped.

I guess when it comes down to it when I'm done working for the day I just want to disengage totally from life. I go probably 50% of my days off alone in my apartment not talking to a single person. It's a weak pathetic way to live. Anyways I just cleaned my place and bought groceries. Thanks for the advice. Still feels pointless but I'll try just doing what you guys say is good for me because I can't seem to give a fuck.

The only time I'm proactive and hard working is at my job. I like my employees and my boss is an awesome mentor.

[–]pugh88 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If you really didn't give a fuck, why would you be typing these messages? Part of you cares, just listen to that part.

[–]CanuckinFL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gold marks for honesty. In my experience, humble tho it is, life is acting upon you during such times. Try to ease your mind which is trained to problem solve. Sounds like you got no problems, so your mind just says fuck it.

Half the battle once the physical dimension is solved has only started. Everything to do with alpha sensibility lies in a focused consciousness.

[–]kabuto_mushi 101 points102 points  (23 children)

Ugh. Yeah, still bumbling around between phase 2 and 3. Send fucking help.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Sigh, don't become an approach robot, your gonna get guys kicked out of school for that shit now a days.

Just approaching mindlessly is taking it too far, you need balance, or at the very least a damn reason to approach. Just bouncing around like an idiot, auto approaching whatever girl is closest is bad advice dude.

Women make it very easy for you to know they want you to approach them, you don't need to zerg approach the whole campus in a week. But where men fail, and you advice hold truth is, when that moment happens... the very fucking instant you feel that tingle in your dick.... you engage, no questions, no hesitation, you felt it, she felt it, you act, see where it goes.

[–]McRoddy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yea I get where your coming from. Honestly just approaching like crazy is good practice though, so when you do see a baddie that’s eyeing you, you can make your approach smooth as fuck.

[–]BloodRedPillz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That last bit about wondering and watching videos about something before taking any action, is literally procrastination in a nutshell. I'm guilty of this and I know many people that do the same.

[–]McRoddy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I still catch myself in bouts of procrastination... ironically on this sub. A good approach to the techniques here are not to look too deep and try practicing instead of reading because experience is way more valuable and helps you calibrate a lot better. Even if you make some stupid mistakes you'll be able to correct them later on.

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    [–]20119975 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    So you're saying this is a bad thing.

    [–]McRoddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Lol, huge state school campus I only approached girls walking around so the only people who really noticed my approach were the people seated eating outside. Getting 3/4 numbers isn’t very socially retarded in my books.

    [–]TooHoly999 26 points27 points  (10 children)

    Started reading a year ago, still in stage two. When I read that stage three starts a week in, that shit really did hit like a rock.

    [–]StillHigh09 66 points67 points  (3 children)

    When I came here was nowhere near the newbie stage. Was in good shape,n-count at that time something over 20,no problem talking to girls etc. Might say I was a natural - I knew how it works,but didn't know WHY. Redpill taught me that, also helped me realize my mistakes. I will always remember "she's not yours, it's just your turn". It was the most important lesson for me. When I realized this is true I became free. Totally focused on my goals and girls just get to ride along. Even in my pre-trp days I wouldnt put the pussy on the pedestal but I wasted too much time chasing it. Currently im in an LTR but I'm fully aware it might not work out and dont give a fuck,got my backup options ready all the time so I wont waste time finding new pussy

    [–]Lavlamp 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    You just wrote out my personal story almost completely. How long ago did you swallow the pill?

    [–]StillHigh09 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Its been like 2 years now. Well as long as I benefit from a LTR I'll stay. I have regular pussy with no effort,chores done,meals prepared,bills cut in half,also I dont like sleeping alone or coming back to an empty house. I got away all the distractions so I can focus on my goals. All that for the price of staying a while with one pussy(or cheating) is a good deal for me.

    [–]MrGreySD 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Similar story to you there, except I've finally fully achieved the mindset of not wanting a LTR. Took me a long time to get there, though. RedPill got me over the final hurdle having already known most of it.

    [–][deleted] 126 points127 points  (1 child)

    Solid post. Truth throughout. Kudos.

    Sidebar worthy.

    [–]mcs007 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    My first thought after reading this was this should be a TRP thing. It's a great metric for measuring your own progress in the journey. Great job OP

    [–]Freedomoverbitches 54 points55 points  (1 child)

    I'm between stage 2-3 and the description is bang on. Amazing post OP.

    [–]calibeachgod420 45 points46 points  (34 children)

    What if I I just don't feel like banging chicks casually? Or being sexually active outside of a LTR. Is that beta? Lol

    [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 143 points144 points  (25 children)

    Not beta at all. We here advocate that every man should do whatever the fuck he wants. No shaming, no 'you should be this way'. But only as long as you're really happy, not like incels who decide they don't want to get laid because really they can't get laid.

    What TRP does is explain how the sexual market place works, and how women really function. You're free to use this information the way you see fit.

    [–]calibeachgod420 19 points20 points  (15 children)

    That's good, I'm fairly new to this sub and agree with a lot of it's descriptions about society's mating habits. But a lot of the stuff that I see on here as a solution is hard for me to stomach.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 73 points74 points  (14 children)

    Life as a man is a struggle, and it never ends. Once I accepted that I became truly happy. I now relish having an obstacle to conquer every day.

    I wouldn't trade this for being a girl. Sure things are easier for them during the first decades, but when the going gets tough they are powerless and only have the victim card to play. Because they can't really change, whereas we can. Embrace that.

    [–]bigwillyalex 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    Your post reminded me of a book I read when I was younger. The greek gods recruited humans to fight a war. The humans looked at the gods and saw these magestic beings that had unbelievable power, and couldn't understand why the gods needed them. As the war goes on they realize that the gods get their power from the humans. They also find out the gods can't change and are losing the war while the humans are adapting. Women are like greek gods, without worshipers they lose their power; and if they don't have someone that can adapt to a given situation and beat it for them, they lose.

    [–]MrGreySD 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    Great way to summarise life as a man.

    A woman's version of struggle is trying to get the alpha to commit, or deciding what dress to wear...

    [–]calibeachgod420 7 points8 points  (7 children)

    So I am be red pilled and not pursue casual encounters with women?

    [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 37 points38 points  (4 children)

    Sure. You can be redpill and married, you can be redpill and gay, you can be redpill and a woman. I mention these three categories because there are specific subs for those, if you care to look for them (I can't link them due to rules).

    Redpill is just the knowledge of how the world works in terms of mating dynamics. Obviously subscribers are often pumped with testosterone here, so all they are thinking about is sex, but you will see that more experienced redpillers try to teach that the ultimate goal is to become the best man you can be.

    [–]Fapisluv 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I think i am at your 3rd stage at this moment with a small differentiation. I dont hate women at all. I have a decent body. I see that people find me more fun and interesting to hang around with after i followed some tips from here. I can get a decent looking girl(6 or a low 7).

    I have questions.

    What has changed in a man's smv to go from stage 3 to 4? From barely banging a 6 or a 7 to having hot girls hit on them? Is it the physical fitness? The money someone might acquire? Is it someone's mentality? Or is it limited to genes, like height or a very handsome face?

    [–]contrarionargument 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    That likely depends on you personally.

    Are you at a self-described stage 3 to 4, but still have some pudge, poor style and grooming or anything like that?

    From what I understand, the transition from banging 7's to 9's is mostly mental. When you stop crumbling to the hb9's frame etc etc.

    If you're at a spot where your easily slaying 7's but are having issues with higher caliber women, it likely isn't your looks.

    I think how he described the difference in how you act around other true chads/alphas coupled with your true attitude towards women couldn't be more on point.

    You are a much different person when you're not faking it anymore and people in general can tell.

    [–]greenlittleman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    It depends on your reasons for doing so. If they are redpill, then so you are. If they are bluepill, then so you are. And I'm sure you know real answer. If you think about "don't fuck women just for sex" because of social conditioning and morality then you hardly can be considered as redpill, it means you just can't accept the truth about your true nature and make your basic desires more important than some false rules. But if you don't want bang girls casually because of your egoistic desires (and not because you care about poor pure girls or opinion of society) then it can be considered redpill.

    [–]UshankaDalek 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    I got a lot out of your post, and you're killing it in the comments too. Thanks for writing this stuff!

    [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Thanks I appreciate.

    [–]VanRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Having the option to execute a power is the real deal.

    [–]YourSonsAMoron 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Yeah I’m not a devout redpiller, but my experience was the usual oneitis, getting cheated on, being pathetic, blah blah blah... then I decided to say “fuck trying to please others” and worked on myself instead. I was already a reasonably fit guy, but putting real dedication into fitness and game led to me having around 10 sexual encounters per week (between 2 or 3 different girls that changed week to week).

    Personally, this got really old, really fast, and I was sacrificing my time, energy, and money on hanging out with them and taking them on first dates. I found that I’m happier and more productive finding an 8-10 girl (or any girl you genuinely enjoy having sex with) that has qualities that synergized with my goals. Just remember that TRP still applies when in relationships. Never become codependent. Always maintain SMV.

    [–]Merwebb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Nope. You play in hard mode

    [–]strikethrough123 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    I've always knew something was off about society, I wasn't surprised or angry when I found TRP. I was angry prior to TRP due to nobody being there for me, loving me, all that beta victimizing bullshit. When I found TRP it all made sense. Nobody owes you a fucking thing, and you don't owe anybody shit either.

    [–]stoicstephen 30 points31 points  (14 children)

    You don't need to go through phase V to get the knowledge that it provides.

    Even a experienced virgin (if he's red pill) can have the mentality of "Pizza is awesome, but in the end it’s just pizza."

    You don't need to eat a lot of pizza to know that it will always be there, and that it doesn't provide much value besides the momentary flavoury satisfation, and full stomach.

    [–]ttkkk 29 points30 points  (11 children)

    It's not the same to have an insight from a place of abundance than of a scarcity one-> amused mastery

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      [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

      You rather spend the day hunting in Alaska with a guide who has killed 100 or a fresh virgin new guide, but college-certified in bear killin?

      Fool yourself all you like, but there's no true abundance without actually doing the work.

      Big difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

      Big difference between thinking you could be a slayer and actually destroying more pussy than cervical cancer.

      Like Pope's levels... you have NO IDEA of what the next level is like until you've attained it.

      [–]strikethrough123 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      This is true. But you can brag about knowing how to kill a bear all you want, no one gives a shit. You're a man. You take action. Sitting there and talking about how you know how to take action is for women. Talk is cheap.

      [–]kaane 4 points5 points  (2 children)


      Knowledge is knowledge but experience is the king. All the knowledge in the world is nothing unless it drives the experience

      [–]TunedtoPerfection 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      At the end of the day experience is everything, because game, much like hunting, poker, racecar driving, fighting, etc. is based on cues and reactions between both parties.

      You can not "train" those cues and reactions by reading about them, because you must experience hundreds of thousands of times.

      [–]abhishah901 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Completely agree. I'm an Indian 21 years virgin and always felt what's all the fucking fuss about the pussy. Always understood the lies and absurd rules imposed upon me. Trying to crawl to lvl 2 by approaching. Cannot muster the courage. But do it anyway. No progress. Need more sidebar. Kinda working on financial stability and keeping it the priority but at the same time not trying to use it as an excuse to not exploit some chances. I understand where I am going but the process seems slow(atleast in India). Always felt that I was missing something and swinging punches in the societal smoke screen. But this subreddit answered most of it and paved a path for a better me. Hope I make it.

      [–]Odins-left-eye 19 points20 points  (14 children)

      I'm not sure where I'd fall in this. I definitely got to stage 4 a few years ago, but lately the amount of time I spend with women (especially new women) has receded. I genuinely feel like I fucked my way through every last need and insecurity, and don't especially miss the thrill of the hunt anymore. Is this because I graduated through the last level, or because I fell back into being lazy and unambitious? I spend a lot of time reading these days, and pursuing hobbies, but some of that is playing video games and watching silly youtube videos. I'm not sure if I'd trade how I feel today to be back in my 20s. Yeah, it was an exciting time in my life, to be on top of the world, but it was a constant, stressful grind to stay there.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 30 points31 points  (3 children)

      Agreed. At some point you get all of the grind and the competition out of your system and you kinda go your own way, not because you can't get laid, but because you're not just that interested anymore. I can definitely feel myself tending towards that.

      The difficulty is trying to remain the best version of yourself without having the motivation to get laid. I guess this is enlightment.

      [–]useyourmouth 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      The difficulty is trying to remain the best version of yourself without having the motivation to get laid.

      One thing that helps keep this motivation is raising sons.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Hell yeah. I have a kid and I realize how big of a fuel it has been to me. Also fatherhood is awesome.

      [–]contrarionargument 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The difficulty is trying to remain the best version of yourself without having the motivation to get laid.

      Which you covered gracefully in Stage V. talking about finding your true mission.

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        [–]Mr-Kabuki 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        How long has the redpill been around?

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          [–]Mr-Kabuki 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          god damn. ive been lifting and reading the side bar but i still dont know how to get to that point. im moving to a new city soon and dont know a soul. so building up social proof is gunna be tough since i never made any new real friends for about 6 years and have no clue how its done. any tips?

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            [–]contrarionargument 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            NO PROFILE TEXT. Not a goddamn word.

            I'll try this, although mine has been working well enough.

            Discreet and non judgmental with good pics

            [–]blackbeardbastard 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            Stage 3 hardcore, with all its benefits and limitations. Often considered to be acting as a dick, because of the lack of congruence and self-confidence.

            Work hard guys, work hard, never give up and never stop learning and improving. Put into action everything you learn, that's the only way of preserving that knowledge and owning it in the long run.

            [–]h4nkz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Been asking myself at what stage I might be and - boom - the perfect post appears. Discovered TRP a year ago, now looking forward to hit stage IV. Solid post.

            [–]Avskygod0 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            at stage 5, the "dick is abundant and low value" turns into "pussy is abundant and low value" from your POV

            [–]trp_nofap_rewire2018 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            TIL I'm still at stage II. Well, this sucks, but thanks for being candid about it all dude. I often times forget this is a long process and keep bashing myself for not making progress "fast enough".

            Like most of guys here I'm in my early twenties. No male role models, raised in a women's house ... you get the idea. That means 22yrs of BS versus a few months of cold and raw truth. We just gotta give time to time, and keep busting our asses off.

            [–]DreamingHarbinger 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Really good post. When improving, there are so many small things and big things to fix. A macro-level perspective like this is great for maintaining course.

            [–]TheWhiskeyTickler 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Great write up. My only critique is that the title should be "5 stages of swallowing the pill" or something like that. "Becoming redpill alpha" sounds like some spergy kids will think it's some step by step guide

            [–]Passthepogs 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            I’m at the stage where you mention you start getting laid way more than you were and run the risk of just stopping improving as you’ve got your needs met.

            Banging 5s and 6s and don’t mind, but I need a kick to keep going. As you mention when an Alpha comes in the room it exposes me as a long way to go.....even though Ive deluded myself Ive made it as I have sex a couple times a week 🙃

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Dude just the fact that you can look at yourself in the mirror and be honest is enough to know you'll continue to grow. You haven't lost humility despite increasing success.

            [–]Suqat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I am currently in the 2nd stage, but I am past the anger stage for the most part, mostly angry at myself. I have incredible potential, but I need to work hard for the next 15 years. I can't even imagine what I can be when I am 35. I have a vision for what I will be like, and what I will have done, but I need to work like hell.

            I have met several guys in college so far who were 4s (Like, they get lots of girls. Natural red pill. ), but I have only seen one 5. No joke, was when I was 18 (2 years ago.), total bp. Was on a vacation with some friends at a national park. He was 40+, incredible physique, grooming and fashion on point. I believe he was married to a girl 20 years younger (Maybe not, didn't see a ring.), had a kid. We glanced at each other for a moment, and it had a lasting impact on me since then. That dude was a fucking level 5. Just by looking you could tell he had James Bond level frame, A.M., game, passion for life, and was a man. Everyone was staring at him, the girl looked at him as if he was a god, etc.

            Those 4s are a rare, but a 5 is almost unheard of.

            [–]TristanIsSpiffy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Good write up. I’m definitely stage 3 at this point, practicing and quietly sprinkling truths to one of my good BP friends. However, since changing my mindset I quickly realized the pizza was good but there’s also different things to go after. I don’t do drugs or play much video games (5 hr/wk maximum), and I’m mostly focused on my budding 55 hr/wk career at 21. All I can advise if there is anyone younger on here: look at the menu sooner rather than later. Stack your money, dress and smell nice, and have a cigar every now and then. Pussy isn’t everything and nothing will follow you to the grave boys.

            [–]subgamer90 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            This is all backwards. You're basically saying go become a PUA and have tons of sex, then chill out and find your life mission. It should be, find your life mission first, live it, then the pussy will come with hardly any effort if you want it

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I agree but for many men, the gateway to become themselves is through sex, because it's a very strong and common frustrated desire.

            In my case the obsession with sex clouded my other passions, and I didn't want to have less desire, I wanted to have enough sex to stop worrying about it and focus on more interesting stuff. Obviously your path is wiser but we're all different.

            [–]Jonlife 8 points9 points  (5 children)

            A less "bro science'y" way to say this could be, that once you've worked out all the chips you had on your shoulder that were making you feel insecure around other positive minded people, then you'll realize that you can get/attain anything you want.

            If you knew you owned 10 Ferraris and 4 beach houses around the world and had 20 of the hottest super models calling your phone every day to fuck....do you think you would let anything or anyone get under your skin? Especially another woman was being a cunt to you or a guy who was trying to 'belittle' you?

            Or course not, you'd laugh or simply remove yourself from the toxic situation that had toxic people. Rich and successful men all have this same thing in common. They know how to read people very well. If they're in a situation that they feel is of no benefit to them they simply leave or get away from xyz person who's not worth their time.

            They waste no time on this btw. Time is money. They don't need to prove anything to anyone. They are the captain of their own ship. So once you understand where value comes from (within) and that it doesn't matter what others think about you...you too can be walking around like Donald Trump. All the hate that man gets and yet he lets it roll right off his back like water on a duck.

            You do realize that most men who received the same type of hate Trumps gets on a daily would have already pussied out, quit, ran too mommy wishing that everyone liked them. The zen of giving zero fucks is just that. Trump is a perfect example (hate him or love him) because the media loves to spew negativity on him 24/7.

            Just know that people will hate you. Understand how that really makes you feel deep inside. Once you have that talk with yourself and understand that it was you all along that was restraining yourself from being able to own the room like Trump does, then watch how the flood gates of giving zero fucks about anything fly open.

            The small things will never get to you, and the big things will always look like small things, and we already know that the small things already never get to you. Rinse and repeat

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I agree that value comes from within. But it has to be 'applied' value. It has to translate into actions, and achievements. If not, it's not value, it's potential, and potential doesn't mean shit.

            So yeah, you should forget everybody else and know that your own value is within yourself, but then you should strive to exercise this value, apply it, give it as a gift to the outside world. If not, you're just one more unused seed in a field of life.

            [–]Jonlife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            That leads back to knowing and understanding how to read people. You never want to waste your energy on someone who isn't worthy. For eons chumps have been doing that with women simply because they're beautiful. It's the age old tale of a woman making a fool out of a guy who thought he knew it all. Money doesn't make you smarter. It just makez you and bigger target for the sharks. Hence why you better know who you're letting get close to you because they can make your life a living hell.

            [–]McRoddy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Wow, this describes my transition perfectly, although not yet as alpha as I want to be I can call myself a man and not a boy.

            [–]MrGreySD 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I loved this post. I thought I was doing well, but the fact that I am not yet at #5 motivates me to keep on going.

            I feel I'm a less social version of #4 currently.

            [–]ZigzagLumen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I'm somewhere between I and II still, but this was a good read for looking forward

            [–]dragonhunter031 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Understanding nature deprives you of mystery and fantasy.

            i desagree , knowing the rules of a game makes it more fun.

            [–]Lennythetrp 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            The risk is to not snap out of this, and become a lying sociopath who relishes using and hurting other people.

            Kind of a strange statement to hear. Is this really what we want? To be considered sociopaths? I feel this path will not lead to self-actualization, where you can be caring and compassionate while still maintaining frame and confidence.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I think you misread me, or I wasn't clear. I'm saying the same, that the risk is, if you don't snap out of it, to become a sociopath. TRP is divided on this, some here say fuck your morals, get your own and forget everybody else, whereas I'm on the side of those who strive for righteousness.

            [–]Lennythetrp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Ah I see, thanks for clarifying.

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            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Your honesty is very good for you.

            I was the same regarding pussy, always obsessed. What did it for me was to build a small harem of girls beneath my level (6s mostly) and stick with it. So I completely stopped chasing girls and focused on improving, while having a bunch of average girls at my feet that worshipped my Alpha cock (to them I was Uber-Alpha). The fact that I stopped chasing made it that better girls started appearing and replaced the less attractive ones, progressively. You just have to accept for a while you'll be fucking average girls.

            As for talking about TRP, just don't. These truths appear only when you seek them, not when they're presented to you. Lead by example, and friends who wanna learn will come to you for advice.

            [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Ref: V

            Rollo bought up a good point on the subject, this is where a lot of purple pill coaches fuck up. They start to think they can take the RP strategies, and fufil a blue pill goal of NAWALT.

            Was an interesting take. Theres space for RP to work around that clawing back of blue pill dreams, dressed up as levitating above the SMP

            [–]TunedtoPerfection 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I think to many people(myself included at one point) try to jump from stage 2 to 5. But you can't truly understand stage 5 until you have experienced and grown sick of stage 3 and 4.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Hell yeah. We made mad efforts in the first two stages, we get results, and just like that we wanna stop making efforts instead of recognizing that they were the basis of our success.

            [–]BryanJz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            ''women..but this time for what they really are: bubbly, beautiful creatures that only live in the present and remind us to enjoy every minute of our lives.''

            I dig that

            [–]GREYnRED 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Anger and frustration brought me here. Anger:- why? Cause I was a virgin following that nice guy approach and guys around me were slaying pussy.Fruatration:- "feminism" I couldn't unnoticed it. It was everywhere. Back then I remember being called a loser for checking out a hot girl and "how I'm objectifying a woman and should be ashamed of my self" wtf was I supposed to do. close my eyes or look down in shame so that she doesn't get offended. While she goes out with Chad. Thanks to red pill I didn't committed suicide or shoot everyone at a bar.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Dude we're lucky to have found this place. It finally gives us an explanation for these things.

            Without explanation of why the world is like that and why women treat us the way they do, some guys would become crazy or violent. Even if you don't become Chad at least it gives you peace of mind.

            [–]5559theman 10 points11 points  (4 children)

            VI. You realize all of this red pill stuff is a way to cover up for insecurities and deep-seated fears and it never really worked at all. Maybe you've attracted some females into your life, but after realizing how deeply dissatisfied you are with shallow relationships, you decide to try trusting the world again and stop being so cynical and obsessive over your alpha status. You embrace your inner masculinity and femininity and understand they can co-exist within you making you a complete human being, and shutting out your inner femininity only breeds internal conflict and misery.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            I have never been more loved and loving than since I took TRP. Women don't just want my cock or my body (which to be honest are nothing exceptional), but they're mostly attracted to my personality because I'm completely me without any barriers or shame, and I'm vibrant with life and energy.

            I'm happier than I've ever been and my relationships are the deepest I've had, because I can connect with the true nature of women and they recognize it and appreciate it.

            [–]5559theman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Yeah I'm definitely on board with that, it's really great to be comfortable being your full self without excuses. I guess the main issue I have with red pill is just how much emphasis there is on suppressing emotions in order to be manly. Our emotions make life beautiful and allow us to connect with each other

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            You clearly don’t understand TRP. This is about sexual strategy, not suppressing emotion or “inner femininity”. It’s about understanding the feminine imperative and how masculinity is under siege in today’s world while at the same time being the very thing that draws women to our orbit.

            As such, we advise men not to be vulnerable around women (bad sexual strategy) but instead find men in whom they can confide, cultivating a tribe of men who build each other up (iron sharpens iron). Women are incapable of being that for men and it is not conducive to bedding them.

            (Re)visit the sidebar and try to understand what TRP is actually about - the self-actualization of men. Emotional control and balance is part and parcel to that process.

            [–]AggressiveBeta 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Stage 6: Get on TRP and make ‘spergy lists about what kind of hair gel is the most alpha

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            " the task to unbetafy your friends " LMAO!

            [–]mleko69 1 point2 points  (9 children)

            Well, that was a nice piece of thought to read. Most of these points are all about being social and having many contacts with people. So?for me, an introvert, there's no chance to at least barely enjoy (sexual) life? I don't know how to explain it... I... I just don't care about people, at least about the ones that have no value for me. If I had a choice between some large party in a club or small meeting with my best friends I would definitely choose the latter. Quality over quantity. What to do? How to live, if to live at all?

            [–]TunedtoPerfection 6 points7 points  (3 children)

            Your not introvert, your shy and afraid of rejection.

            You don't care about people because you don't care about yourself. When you don't care about yourself, you internally believe no one else would care about you. If no one cares for you, why care for anyone.

            You will justify everyone in some way shape or form as having "no valve" to you. I'm sure when you look at Feminine, attractive women now they have "no valve" because your afraid they will reject you, so why bother.

            You choice has nothing to do with the amount of people, it has to do with who is there. Your "small meeting of best friends" isn't going to be better then "every single best friend you ever had in a club." The club is just representative of people you don't know, people that might reject you. You pick the place with your friends because you don't have to face being rejected as your already past that part in those relationships.

            Introversion, despite popular opinion, is not absence of social skills and it is not an excuse for being a loner. Break the idea in your head that no one wants to know you, by making yourself someone you would want to know. Everything else, introvert or not, will fall into place slowly as that happens.

            P.S. Yes I am future you going back in time to drop future knowledge on your ass

            [–]mleko69 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            How did you.... F*ck, I need to take a walk.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            You won't believe me but I'm an introvert too. A real one. I spent my youth listening to prog rock alone in my room and doing LAN parties with a few friends, amongst other things. I still get tired socially, I like loneliness.

            Still, I hated to be limited by my personality so I learned the tools to be social and 'cool', just so I could decide for myself how I wanted my life, not just on the basis of being an introvert.

            You can do it too. Approach it like a game (like a board game for example), and do it in spurts (go out for a couple of hours, watch and study social dynamics, try telling a few things of yours, and go back home before you run out of interest or energy). Soon it'll take no effort and you might actually start to enjoy it.

            [–]Pintsmithy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            If you believe you can do something, or you believe you can't, you are probably right.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            My favourite quote! It's by Ford if I recall correctly

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Being an introvert is an asshole excuse.

            [–]iamtheswoop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I'm a severe introvert and I don't believe that's an excuse. I see where you're coming from because as an introvert anything social takes energy and is exhausting. I have to actually plan close to 2x alone time for the amount of time for being social to allow me to recoup, but I'm still forcing myself to get out there and plan accordingly. I'm currently doing cold approaches with day game and it's been rough. ..but I'm still around phase 2

            [–]bitchpotatobunny 1 point2 points  (5 children)

            You realize the stories you read on The Red Pill when you were a newbie were all true

            I'd argue to change that to mostly true. I'm fairly certain there are a few stories on here that are definitely NOT true. And i'm not saying because they can't happen, or haven't happened to me so they're not true. I'm saying that if you read the way they're written, and research the poster writing them, it's blatantly obvious they were written in an attempt to fit in.

            Other than that, solid post. While I'm sure there could be a healthy conversation about semantics, the core message is one that needs to be heard and understood.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

            Of course, not everyhing is real. I actually called out a couple of posters of RP porn, if you care to check my post history.

            But you know they're fake not because they can't happen, but because the writing is ridiculous. When you start watching Alphas you realize the amount of crazyness is out of reach, anything can happen. One example: I was on ski holidays with a friend (natural alpha, with a very strong positive energy and charisma), we take the elevator for 2 floors, in it there is a very hot and young mom with her kid, they smile to each other and she asks in what room my friend is staying. Nothing else, he had never seen her before. She comes knocking to my friend's door 10 min later, without the kid. He asks who is watching the kid, she says 'My husband. I just told him I was going out for coffee'.

            [–]TunedtoPerfection 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            When you get to the point where women, let alone very attractive women start to realize you as "that guy they can cheat with" it's such a mind fuck.

            For a while, I had a really hard time knowing that every girl I was having sex with either had a husband, fiance, or boyfriend. They all approached me and never said a word until right before or right after sex.

            Shit made me depressed for a while, until I finally realize it wasn't me, it was just how women are. If I didn't do it, the next guy they made the offer to would. I wasn't doing these men or women any favors denying the sex, and you just don't talk about it in polite company. It was like everyone but the men being cheated on knew it was happening all around and it was all good as long as the beta's didn't know.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Totally, and it's impossible to imagine this other side of women until you actually witness it. All women, everywhere, treated you 'normally', then something changes, and they put you in a different category and they all treat you differently.

            You don't understand the nature of women until you witness this. Their whole personality can change with circumstances.

            [–]useyourmouth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            It's stories like these that make me revert a stage for a bit. But I love them.

            [–]bitchpotatobunny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Oh I'd believe it. I've had some shit happen to me that I look back on and realize half the people I shared the story with probably don't believe it actually happened. I honestly think I prefer it that way. Admittedly, I've not had a scenario like your friend though. Good for him.

            [–]Showshimselfout 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Would be interesting to poll where everyone is. It might expose where there's a big gap/heavy drop off, and show where a majority of people here need more help.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Yeah, and to have ages, n-counts of people, etc. Would love to know more about fellow redpillers..

            [–]TheRedMorph_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Quality post here. Im between stages 3 and 4 it seems.

            [–]BornShook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Got through stages 1 and 2 in less than 2 months. Probably a late stage 3 guy now, and been here probably 8 months or so. but this is definitly not the same for everyone. For me trp fit into my life/view of the world pretty well and I only really needed to shift my thoughts a little bit to allign with this sub.

            So maybe this is a helpful way of looking at it for some people but not really how it was for me or many others i assume

            Edit: Definitly early stage 4 not late stage 3. Reasoning is that I was already attractive and in decent shape before discovering trp I guess. Not trying to brag, but I guess to some extent I am. Whatever

            [–]IarentDave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Meh. This planet is already fucked from us maybe we should just plant some trees and worry about some non emotional shit

            [–]labhat 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            How can you do TRP when married with kids? I feel like I have been stepped on all my life. I've always been the "good" guy, end up eating shit from everybody.

            [–]Mustang1011 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            You can start with some RP books. Hold on to your nuts and No more Mr Nice Guy are two easy ones. You shouldn't be eating shit from ANYONE. Don't tolerate the intolerable. Having a family doesn't mean you don't get to be happy. At the end of the day everyone in your home has to give you the same amount of respect that you give them or be accountable in the home you provide. You got this.

            [–]randomman45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Stage 4 hits home brother. That was my end, although I didnt get fat. To all who go further, good on you.

            [–]whiteslimshady 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            I needed this. I guess I'm stage III right now. Cant wait till IV. Still so angry and spiteful at my need for pussy. How can you not fuck over 20 women in 2 short years, some hundreds of times, and NOT get thirsty for pussy? Motherfucker dry spells suck!!!

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Use this anger to improve, seriously. We need this kind of motivation. Then later when life becomes easier and you have everything you need, it's harder to be motivated.

            [–]whiteslimshady 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            everything in my life is improved already. I make good money, place of my own, lifting heavier. there's no reason in my book why girls aren't sucking my dick. just sayin

            [–]BobbyPeru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            See how amazing that feels, to be on top of that mountain? But there are way bigger mountains around, things more worthy of your masculine energy than pussy. Don’t get stuck on such a trivial thing, find your mission and focus on it.

            Yep, I’m at the point where I get pussy whenever I want it. But, it’s bigger missions that provide the real fulfillment.

            Nice job- I can tell you put a lot of thought into this. Have an upvote, which I usually forget to do.

            [–]existential_antelope 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Is there anyone here that actually went up the ladder and is currently on Stage IV? Just curious what your life’s like

            [–]ice-cream-tub 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I’m stuck in a kind of early 2 and since I’ve been injured, I can’t get gains or work out at all. It sucks being here but it gives you a lot of time to think about the RP values and understand the thought process better.

            [–]SharlieCheene 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I forgot to log into my throwaway and I'm saving this

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Reads a lot like 48 Laws of Power. Good stuff.

            [–]IBeMadToo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Between 3 and 4 and the amogging alpha stuff sucks. A lot of the time it is from guys I'm 'friends' with.

            They'll try anything to exclude you from conversations with chicks, even if you were there first. Brutal stuff.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Yeah, and it's hard no to react by trying to become an amogging asshole yourself. But after a certain time, as you grow, you can see the insecurities behind their bravado persona. If you're strong and righteous, I think you always prevail over only the strong.

            [–]TRPJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I'd say I'm stage 3.8? I'd be closer to a stage 5 Alpha Chad by now, but I never made a true effort to hit the gym and eat right, so many girls still allude me.

            I still have more than enough girls to satisfy my needs though. Even fat, just having a good frame and good game is enough to get tons of girls. Right now, I'm content to focus on my career and projects. I'm putting the time into those that I would put into working on my body. That's an issue I will make sure to remedy one day, but for now, I'm content.

            [–]Greek-God-Brody 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            • Lay count: 2
            • Internalized RP concepts, but still acting like a nice guy.
            • Getting more IOI's from women.

            Yep, I'm stuck between Phase 2 and 3.

            [–]Lambdal7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Finally a good quality post among the floods of stage II and III posts!

            [–]Flying_Wingback 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Stage III like most people here. One of the motivating aspects of going to the gym is seeing the Stage IV and V dudes still killing it with all the pussy they slay. Seeing them working out late night on a weekend with their Chad buddies and couple of 9s makes you go that much harder.

            [–]klavijaturista 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            A few things bother me here: - You made it all about getting sex. I thought the red pill is about not being obsessed with women? - Finding cause and meaning after healing ones (in this case sexual and popularity) frustrations? It's not necessary to actualize one's desires just to see if you really like them, as those might be inappropriate, or even destructive. - Also you made it all about being an alpha. How does the concept of 'alpha' fit in TRP? You said here somewhere TRP is about self actualization - but you don't need to train yourself to be an alpha to do that (unless the goal is to be one, which seems to me like pussy-centric and power-centric). Why not 'omega'? I would like to know your thoughts on this. Thanks :)

            [–]HunAmongVikings 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            These rules are more important than holy books’ .

            [–]Downtowndex72 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            Some background: I’m 45, twice divorced, with 7 kids I see every other weekend. 6 of them are under 18. I earn way more than enough to have a good life after paying the child support. I’m fit but not muscular and I estimate I’m an 8/10.

            After applying redpill techniques, the dates have been coming quite fast over the last two years post divorce. At the beginning I would reason “well I’m honorable and should tell these women right away that I have 7 kids”. Approximately 90% would run for the hills and I wouldn’t hear from them.

            Over the last two years, I’ve learned to hold this back for at least 5 dates. In the 6 instances where I’ve done this, but then revealed my situation after sleeping with these women multiple times, 6/6 decided they were “OK” with it. They were shocked of course (who wouldn’t be) but they all rationalized they could live with it - only after their emotions were sufficiently stimulated and the oxytocin release came from the sex.

            In every case, I was the one who ended the relationship, usually a few months after when they would attempt to get very controlling.

            I don’t know any other way to explain it except they are masters at rationalizing.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Congrats on your lifestyle and what you've achieved.. You're doing great, taking care of yourself, free while being able to be a father of 7 and not living in misery because of child support. Kudos man.

            The example you give is very telling of the difference between male and female ways of thinking. For men, the same information has the same results in different circumstances, so the right thing is to provide the information right away. For women, information changes with circumstances (like with your example) so what matters is not righteousness, but the results.

            Hence this lack of righteousness we men seem to find in women, and this disdain for dreamers that do nothing that women have.

            [–]2CasaDeFranco 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            Anyone else at Stage 5 feel isolated?

            The easier it is to get laid, the lower I value women. Most women I'll close on the first interaction, in the back of my mind I'll conclude she's a slut and not worth committing.

            Pizza is good, but I don't want half eaten pizza.

            I have a good circle of close friends and mentors, after you've done everything in business the next item is family. Most of my mentors are from a generation where women were ostensibly more loyal due to societal pressures.

            I'm seeing one woman now, good family, good values, literally a virgin, of child bearing years but committing would be investing in an volatile asset that's depreciating in value.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            I don't see it this way. For me when I'm on some sort of date and the girl doesn't wanna have sex, fine. As I wrote sex is not so important in the end. But then she has to compete for my attention with all the other things I could be doing, including having sex with someone else. Sometimes, she does grab my attention and I have a genuine good time. Most of the times it's not the case, and then she'd better have sex with me, because that's the last opportunity to raise my interest.

            So sometimes the girl has sex on the first date not because it's the first thing she'll throw at me and doesn't have anything else to offer, but because she has tried bonding through other channels, and realizes more bonding is necessary if not she might lose me. When this happens I don't value her less. I value her more. She shows she's smart enough to read me, and committed enough to do what is necessary for bonding. Doesn't mean she does it with every guy. She probably has them hooked without sex.

            [–]2CasaDeFranco 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            It's an interesting perspective, but sex as a bonding activity because she "doesn't have anything else to offer" would suggest she's pretty basic. If she's smart wouldn't she build rapport without going for the low hanging fruit?

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I agree, but sometimes she really tried to build rapport beforehand, but for some reason it's not clicking. And then she knows, because she's smart, that maybe it's time to throw in sex.

            So yeah it's not all the girls. Most girls' level of effort is reduced to making themselves pretty and giving sex. I don't care much about those ones.

            [–]Noveno 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This is 100% legit. I just entered the 5 with an ocasional fall back to the 4.5 and everything is so accurate. Keep working on yourself and the reward will come.

            [–]CrowleyEusford 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I really like this post. I have a circle of friends that put me down all the time. I have cut all contacts with them and I am going my own way now. I am still stuck in phase 2 for a couple of years. Sometimes I come in phase 3, but drift back. The only thing I can probably say is having consistence in developing good habits. You should never make an exception to the habits you are developing. That is where I went wrong. I will start again with lifting every day and tracking my calories.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Good for you man. Also, it's not only the calories, but the type of food. Change your diet completely, i.e. eat A LOT of veggies, and no processed food.

            The part of the habits is also really important. To remind me that every day counts, I start it with a cold shower. It reminds me that I have to achieve some goals every day before I can chill.

            [–]SovereignSoul76 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Level 6: Women literally defy physics and float towards you like Tom the cat, floating toward an apple pie on a window sill.

            [–]Cbshadow231 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Got a question for you guys (coming from someone who hasn't really read any RP stuff before). So I get that the goal is to improve yourself, get women by the boatloads, and then once you dont need women, you can focus on other better things. I also have seen some say that marriage is death and to avoid it at all costs. My background is that id say im decent looking, have the genes to improve my currently decent build into a bigger and more toned one, have a long distance relationship (bear with me) that im happy with, and ive got plenty of great family and friends that make me happy. Personality wise, ive always been a leader and have resented being pushed to act or be a certain way so I always fid my own thing. Didnt care what anyone thought of me so i didnt try to be a part of anyones group and good friends flocked to me. Raised as a Christian though never really got into it until recently and do find a lot of happiness in it. Because of that id prefer to wait until marriage for fucking (i know extremely anti-RP) but have had enough experience to know what im doing and how to play a woman for whatever i want. Theres not a thing im afraid of, im not desperate for pussy or praise because im extremely confident in myself and dont need any outside influence to give me self worth. All of this said i want to know what you guys think about my beliefs compared to what you think. I dont desire sex and status and this seems like a foundation for TRP. I wanna engage with some of you and have a discussion on this stuff to see if we can teach eachother anything

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Hey man. I appreciate your honesty and the fact that you present a different lifestyle and set of ideas with an open mind for discusion. I think the most important thing to ask is whether you're happy, and it seems that you are. Do whatever makes you happy, as long as it's really your desires and not external social programming.

            Regarding TRP, sure most people here will have a different lifestyle where they fuck a lot of women. But really, TRP is not about that. It's a description of gender mating dynamics, and in particular of how women think/act/feel. I'm not one to judge you regarding your choices, and I can understand them in the sense that sex as been devalued and you're willing to give it a deeper meaning. I'm sure you will find the right woman for that.

            Still, what you should know is that even this woman you will marry and will have sex with, even if she's a virgin when you meet her, even if she comes from the best upbringing, this woman will still respond and act accordingly to redpill principles. That won't make her a bad person, but it is just so that men and women are fundamentally different - and it's good that we are, we complement each other this way. So if you want a happy marriage don't discard this sub, on the contrary learn from it, it might turn out useful.

            [–]TheManimal69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Currently at stage III, is a great feeling but once you find yourself in that position of occasionally anger cause your streak of self achievements is diminished the only way to rationalize that is stay neutral,let the emotions aside and know that you have gone far and you can't go back to BP, and by knowing that just keep giving 100% grind.

            Gave myself a month and half vacation overseas in my country, didn't work nor study there so I was constantly lurking aside from working out and partying with friends so my discipline that I developed thru the last year came down considerably in terms of dieting, training, responsabilities and by so SMV in my native town was barely noticeable, I felt in a loophole after a month even after I bang a chick first night and hang around with a couple chicks that I met in the gym.

            After that I rationalize back and a RP man has to have a purpose and project SMV wherever you go, next time I'll come back stronger than I had already been working on improvement not only for pussy but for further goals as well.

            [–]Siegeplaysgame 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Can I give you guys some good advice. If you actually sit there and think about all the shit on this sub Reddit all the time while you’re talking to people you’re gonna have a weird robotic conversations. Nobody wants to fuck a weird robot. You cannot “alpha” if you’re thinking about how to Alpha. Just be confident, not manipulative and analytical. Just confident in yourself. Others will follow you because that’s what people do

            [–]MikeAlphaGolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Outstanding and well thought out post. The strength of it is that everyone on TRP journey will be able to identify with this at some level. (Possibly barring the natural Chads and the truly hopeless incells).

            My introspection is the need to stay hungry. My life has changed hugely in the last three years since discovering TRP while in a toxic relationship, finding the strength to leave then building myself up.

            I now find myself accidentally in a LTR. This one is great and deserves my time. Through TRP’s lens I am awake to red flags, never too emotionally available and always evaluating whether or not this is my best possible situation.

            Probably holding a 4.5-5. Posts like this help motivate to continue the hard yards.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The story of the alpha.

            I’m on stage II.

            [–]syn1us 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            3 to 4. Very accurate description.

            [–]midgetpooooo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Damn man I was having these exact same thoughts this morning with a conversation I was having with a blue Piller who was just realizing trp ways. I'm definitely in the late phases of this now, but started early mostly because of genetics and affluence.

            [–]diggrecluse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Perpetual stage 3 after 1.5 years of TRP crew checking in.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Im new to TRP and i have a genuine question. Im looking for a wifey. I want pussy but i dont want whores. How can I apply TRP to fine a wifey?

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Apply redpill principles and put the work in and they'll want to fuck you. Only add any kind of average steady job and they will want to marry you

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Im still a uni student. I want a long term relationship because i dont get satisfaction from fucking sluts. TRP worked and im currently at stage 4 and moving to 5. But honestly i cant get satisfaction from fucking anymore if its not with a person that i have connection with if you know what i mean. How can i apply TRP to build a solid long term relationship?

            [–]Merwebb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Im beyond II but i never hated women.

            Going sorta kinda into IV.

            [–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            A few weeks in, you’ve hit the gym and the first gains are showing fast.

            Step three is not "a few weeks in". And there were no gym gains for months either. I recommend you change this to "several months in". I'm a year in and I'm on step three. And I've worked fucking hard to get where I am.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Not necesarily disagreeing with you, but just curious: how old are you? How's your diet? In my experience if you hit the gym, the first results appear really fast, and then you get stuck in a second phase..

            [–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Mid 20s. When I started I was 21. My diet wasn’t great. Took me like 4 months to notice any results. They all notice now though ;)

            [–]demon_smile 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I'm new to all this. I feel dumb yet curious.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Read the sidebar. Explore the sub and don't be put off by the language, it's crude because we're amongst men, but it's still honest and truthful. If you disagree with something provide arguments. Welcome

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