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MetaThe red pill are a bunch of bigots who can't get laid. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Modredpillschoolx2

They're all virgin neckbeards. Couldn't get laid to save their lives.

I consider it somewhat ironic on a meta level, that the people saying this don't themselves see the irony.

Recently we were deemed the most bigoted subreddit on this site. And of course the usual insults began to fly. We are, as everybody knows, just a bunch of sexless, angry, nobodies.

I'm hoping I've caught the attention of at least a few new people taking a peek to see what we're about. You're probably hoping to find evidence to support the popular opinion- that we should be chided or ignored.

The reason we are here and the reason we don't care about the insults are one in the same: Because joining the red pill did not start the insults, instead the insults started the red pill.

The irony sorely lost on the masses is in the call for equality, anti-bigotry, and whatever other causes your average social justice warrior stands up for. The public has doubled down and taken up the very weapons they decry. Shame and scorn against those they disagree with. Sexual shame in retribution for valuing sex. Smooth.

They say that we're wrong in our assessments, and then revoke our manhoods by commenting on our inability to get sex.

But they've got the order of operations down wrong.

I'm not going to deny that we have had trouble with sex. That is the common thread that brings us here. Using sexlessness to dismiss us is precisely the behavior that brought men here to begin with. We were sexless. Our views and perspectives, our so-called "bigotry" did not lead us to a sexless life so you can conveniently dismiss our views. Instead, our sexless lives lead us to adopt these views as a last ditch effort to reach sexual success. And most of us stayed here when we realized it was effective.

But life isn't all about sex! You guys are obsessed!

Right?

I think it's pretty safe to say that most women don't really understand to what degree sex matters in the average man's life. He finds more than a physical release, he finds belonging and acceptance in sex. Sex for a man is knowing you are wanted. The fact is, for most of our lives, we've come to accept that we are not sexually desirable to most (or all) women. Our advances left us crushed and depressed, were treated as creepy or worse than murder. Our relationships left us broken or broke. Our marriages crumbled. If you listen to pop culture, and believe everybody finds their special somebody, then we must have been the outcasts.

The fact that commenting on our lack of sexual success is inherent in all public dismissal of us (virgin neckbeards) should help put this into perspective- even the feminists and social justice warriors of the world denouncing sex as that important have made our manhoods (and therefore rights to have or speak an opinion at all) entirely dependent on our access to sex. Why would being a virgin or a neckbeard matter, unless sex truly does matter to our manhoods?

I don't really buy the rationale that it does matter to be a man. But I do recognize that sex will still be important to men nevertheless. And so here I support such a hypothesis, and behold, 102,000 men in two years have flocked. You can dismiss us, our views, and theories. But you cannot dismiss the common need and problem that brought us together.

I want to back up a little bit, and address the idea that we're social outcasts.

Now, you'd think, every gender and every group has their outcasts. Looking back at highschool, there were always those fringe groups that didn't quite get along. Some banded together in their unpopularity and played dungeons and dragons or wore funny looking clothing. So what's the red pill? Just a group of pimply-faced nerds who never learned to talk to women?

That's the problem here- the reason for our corner of the internet. It affects more than just the pimply-faced nerds, more than the short guys, more than the fat, the skinny, or the ugly.

The changes to inter-gender relations over the past 30 years have started to affect all of us.

You can see it in the declining marriage rates, in the studies that show dissatisfaction among both genders in relationships, the sky-high divorce rates, and the endless stories of custody battles and alimony cases. The school shootings and the male suicide rate, the gamer scandals, and presidential campaigns. The declining rate of male college graduates and the women who don't care. The single mothers, and the children who hate men.

We're not the sexless virgins. We're not the neckbeards.

We're fathers, firefighters, pilots, drivers, teachers, engineers, students, bankers, and entrepreneurs who are tall, skinny, fit, fat, good-looking, ugly, old, young, happy, angry, sad, depressed, and everything in between.

And we've all been affected by the changing environment.

And none of us found compassion, belonging, or empathy in the very system that gave us this shared experience.

Maybe we are bigots, maybe we hate women. Maybe we aren't, and maybe we don't. It's entirely superfluous to the point of why we're here. Attacking these points does not dismiss our existence, nor does it address it.

It's up to you how you're going to deal with this information.


[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 108 points109 points  (1 child)

A year ago when I first started posting on Reddit I wrote about my experiences on the Ok Cupid dating site and posted it to the OKC subreddit.

I was immediately shouted down by fat social justice warriors who were offended. Was my experience helpful? Was my writing humorus? Was my analysis incorrect? It didnt matter. The fat she Beasts were mad. They were mad and they were going to stampede around being mad and no one was going to hear my voice. Thats when it dawned on me that you cant post realist dating advice on reddit because the offended women will down vote it to hell. All that remains is the politicaly correct just be yourself and pamper her advice. Eventually I found a receptive audience in the Red Pill and its been a gay old time ever since.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 320 points321 points  (11 children)

It's been said before, and I'll say it again:

"The Red Pill is the radical notion that women are people."

They are not special snowflakes. They do not have an inherently predisposed tendency towards chastity, towards compassion, towards loyalty, towards affection, towards empathy or towards any other righteous quality that the feminine imperative society tells us that women have.

See, this is what outsiders now define as misogyny. Any time a man calls one of the aforementioned qualities into question regarding women, we are told that we are bigots who 'hate women', simply because we are suspicious of their motivations and inclinations. No, we are simply stating that women can have motivations that are just as selfish, deceitful, and ruthless (maybe moreso) as the motivations that men can harbor.

Yes, when a woman divorce-rapes her husband and takes his kids from him for no other reason than "unhaaaapy", she is a fucking self-centered bitch who's only looking out for her own interests. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.

Yes, when a woman leads a man on into orbiter-zone, dangling a false carrot of implied future sexual relationship, only to get him to buy things and do things for her, she is a self-centered bitch who's only looking out for her own interests. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.

When a man musters the balls to approach a woman, and she publicly ridicules him, shames him, and nuclear rejects him for her own self amusement, rather than just a polite "no thanks", she is a narcissistic cunt with no regard for the feelings of other people. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.

In all three of these examples, these are the same exact judgments that I'd levy against a man who engaged in the same behaviors.

After all...women are people.

[–]1beerthroway 23 points24 points  (4 children)

What makes people call us misogynists though is not that we call out the women that do those awful things, but rather that we claim that all women have the potential/tendency to do those things (AWALT). Again, like your first comment, women are people too and it's not like we would be feminists if we said that men have the potential to sleep with new women constantly and never commit and be aggressive to get what they want and other things that society claims is bad for men to do. We simply are stating the truth of social interactions. People often can't handle the truth and therefore lash out in denial and anger.

[–]disposable_pants 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I'd say AWALT is only about 30% of the reason people call us misogynists. While we assume that most people put women on a pedestal but think all men are potential scumbags (AMALT), the reality is that for the most part people believe their fellow humans (man or woman) are either good or bad. They reject the idea that in the right situation all people would be ruthlessly self-interested because we live in a society that seldom forces people down that road. So when we say AWALT in their minds we're challenging that belief for women but not for men. Instead of AWALT we should say "everyone is self-interested;" if women are people, too, unnecessarily focusing this idea on women just invites misunderstanding.

The other 70% of the reason we're viewed as misogynists is that we use emotionally charged language to describe women and our interactions with them. TRP is all about reason over emotion; one key aim here is to avoid willfully misunderstanding the world simply because it feels good. Unthinkingly referring to women as "whores," "bitches," "sluts," saying women are children, saying they "hamster," and generally being derisive in our descriptions of them are all examples of using emotionally-charged rhetorical techniques in place of taking the time to accurately describe our ideas. It's no different from calling black people "niggers" or "coons" -- you aren't rationally describing why you're criticizing them, you're taking a lazy, emotional shortcut to connect with other people who feel the same negativity about them. It's not "calling it like it is;" it's intentionally using less precise terminology because it feels better. The widespread use of such emotional language has no place on a sub that prides itself on its rationality.

[–]VoidInvincible 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I wish I could give you gold right now. This comment needs to be saved.

[–]1RPB1 571 points572 points  (69 children)

Maybe we are bigots, maybe we hate women. Maybe we aren't, and maybe we don't. It's entirely superfluous to the point of why we're here. Attacking these points does not dismiss our existence, nor does it address it.

"We're not here because we're free. We're here because we're not free. There is no escaping reason; no denying purpose. Because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist."

We are here because of feminism. We're here to take from them what they tried to take from us: purpose.

Agent Smith lines aside, what our detractors and critics fail to realize is that the Red Pill is an emergent property of a preeminent problem. That is, the ever-increasing encroachment of male subjugation, expendability, disrespect, and sexual constriction.

We didn't wake up one morning and collectively decide to call women on their bullshit because misogyny, we suffered through our early lives doing what women and television told us to do and decided to do things the successful way: our way.

Their hamsters are stuck in a loop while we decided to get somewhere using our own two feet as sovereign individuals whose prerogative is to find satisfaction in our lives on our terms.

They don't hate us for our views, they hate us for their lack of power over us. They've become so entrenched in their narcissism that the notion of using effort and offering value beyond their pussy is heresy itself.

A man who cannot be controlled by sex cannot be used by women, and the idea of the chickens coming home to roost scares the shit out of them.

The irony though is that many of us don't care about women that much anymore, we just want to be free to enjoy our own slice of pie in peace. We are giving ourselves the respect we were denied by people who offered rhetoric instead of solutions.

Fuck them, I've got my own life to live.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 214 points215 points  (6 children)

They don't hate us for our views, they hate us for their lack of power over us. They've become so entrenched in their narcissism that the notion of using effort and offering value beyond their pussy is heresy itself.

I wish TRP bot was working because that's a great point. ♂

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (1 child)

I'll manually point him.

[–]1menergize 18 points19 points  (0 children)

If he struggles I'm a developer in many languages, I can help you fix it.

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    [–]Modredpillschool[S] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    If you think you can fix it- PRAW was upgraded to match reddit api upgrade, so now the code is broken and I haven't had time to fix it.

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      [–]RP_on_TV 33 points34 points  (4 children)

      "our own slice of pie."

      This is where I am now. I went from actually fantasizing about a wife, house, kids to wondering what life would be like if it was just house, and realizing it is a very legitimate option.

      My own slice...i don't like watching movies as much anymore. Or TV. I don't want to read the news or Facebook statuses. Anything "trending" is probably shit.

      I can't handle the idiocy and the sensationalism over nothing.

      I don't know how "women are more than their dress" can be in the news one day, and some girl singer's latest fashion choice in the next.

      I don't want this crap in my slice of pie. I just want to do what I need to do to be the man I wanna be and not be fed this bs anymore.

      And the fact that it's what "most" people care about is just as upsetting.

      [–]Cherubaal 15 points16 points  (2 children)

      Reading this reminds me of a book I read recently, "Empire of Illusion". By Chris Hedges. Fantastic book. It has a similar morality and belief to red pill, but more focused on the lies and how they're affecting society as a whole rather than the sexual strategy bent red pill takes. Though my favorite chapter is "the illusion of love" which delves into the porn industry.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Thanks dude i will read that, because previous comment just stuck me. I am feeling the same thing ! I am sick of tv with stupidity and nakedness everywhere. Every piece of shit has now a golden wrapper... Music books movies are nothinb new etc...

      [–]qwertyleftme 56 points57 points  (1 child)

      "A man who cannot be controlled by sex cannot be used by women, and the idea of the chickens coming home to roost scares the shit out of them." - very nice, very empowering to hear other men out there feel the same!

      [–]bluedrygrass 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      And yet you'll soon see on those same boards threads from men that doesn't know how to get a grip on their lives, and prefers to pretend that all men are sexual slaves and that they phisically need sex or some other bullshit. Hamstering to cover laziness or helplessness.

      [–]CornyHoosier 61 points62 points  (44 children)

      Excellent points all around.

      I'd like to add that our society tells men that we're weak for showing compassion or emotion. Frankly, I find that disgusting. Men have a right to all emotional ranges and the right to express those emotion in anyway they choose (as long as it's not a danger to others).

      A lot of men when they come to TRP are angry and they have a full right to be! For one reason or another the system that was supposed to provide and support them failed, those men (us) weren't getting what we needed to have a happy life.

      For me, one of the great things about TRP is that it brings me (and others) peace and serenity. When a man is willing to accept his mistakes and work to better himself and his situation it will calm him. When a man subsequently see progress from bettering himself he feels serenity.

      We're not physically violent and we're not emotionally abusive, we're here to make ourselves no longer need the system and to not need to rely on others.

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        [–]CornyHoosier 62 points63 points  (2 children)

        weakness of any kind makes you "creepy" to women.

        I no longer care what a woman thinks of me. I care what I think of me and care about what I feel a man should be.

        [–]I_AMA_Naughty_Boy 28 points29 points  (8 children)

        That's all fine and good. Just be aware weakness of any kind makes you "creepy" to women.

        Only men with low/lower SMV. They will rationalize emotional range from a man with high SMV.

        [–]1InscrutablePUA 20 points21 points  (0 children)

        A high SMV man might have a higher 'threshold' for showing emotional range, but it's not much.

        [–]1Halfjor 8 points9 points  (5 children)

        It also depends on how close you are. If you've demonstrated your value consistently and you open up your emotions about something to your LTR or wife they generally wouldn't lose respect for you.

        It isn't recommended to go to them first, or do it often, but you're relatively safe if you do it wisely. I think one of the big points is that they don't want to see you distraught and dependent. If you open up about something serious but use the correct wording and posturing it can sound far from needy and weak.

        The thing is, women don't get close to men with low SMV. The orbiters will think they are close to them, but they aren't.

        [–]tbpd 11 points12 points  (4 children)

        I agree that people close to you will tolerate more emotion than strangers. But when a man displays a wider emotional range, it's perceived as weakness. Period. No SMV will change the fact that men are allowed fewer emotions than women. Both sexes find emotional displays from men unsavory. I do it too, I either can't or won't help myself. Being emotional feels wrong. I just want to solve the problem, not linger on it.

        This also affect people close to you. It's deeply embedded in our perception of what a man should be. A rock (both physically and emotionally). It's even visible in the way we differentiate the emotional care we give to our children. Young boys will be picked up later than young girls, we give the boys a second before we act. The attention given to them when they experience pain (like falling off a bike) is less than that of young girls. This is information from studies that's just about to reach the surface of mainstream media.

        Here are a few links that scratches the surface:

        Psycology Today: Adolescence and Physical Affection with Parents

        William Pollack: Real boys

        (This is an oldie) Lois Wladis Hoffman and Martin L. Hoffman: Review of Child Development Research, Volume 1

        "As noted earlier, girls receive considerably more affection and less physical punishment than boys."

        I'm having trouble finding the more recent studies underlining the difference. I hope some of you can help me find them.

        In closing, it's a huge problem and definitely something we should work on as a society. But right now, male emotional displays count as weaknesses.

        /rant

        [–]2wiseclockcounter 25 points26 points  (3 children)

        If you've read this far down into this tangent and you're new to TRP (as this post was likely to attract you), it's important to grasp the following point as I feel the past few comments are missing on something HUGE that is a pillar of the Red Pill.

        Saying society is wrong for treating, raising, and valuing men in a way that suppresses their emotions is the same shit as Feminism trying to denounce society for valuing women for their youth, faithfulness, and pleasant attitude. You can't hope and bitch away reality. It is what the fuck it is.

        Deny it all you want, live your life as a blubbering emotional basket case and declare "i'm a strong independent MAY-uhn who don't need no woman, and I can cry when I want to" and enjoy the same reaction from women that men would give to a hambeast feminist who says "i'm a strong independent womyn who don't need no man, and I can fuck as many dudes as I want and put off a family for some shit career and still have everything in the end."

        The Red Pill is not about what you wish the world would be like, it is about accepting and embracing reality for what it is and modifying your behavior and awareness to produce an outcome that best aligns with your values and desires.

        The world can't be "wrong" for being the way it is, it is not a person, it is an emergent state of consequences. The only thing that can be wrong is your expectations of it. Know this and behave accordingly.

        [–]NileakTheVet 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Perfect. This is what the red pill has been about for me, im a realist. Realisticly, the world has no sympathy for men, so we must be strong. Not put on a tough face strong but realiant on ourselves. Men can feel any emotion they want, the diffence is that our emotions should quickly be addressed and handled through decisive action. We arent robots, but we need to have our emotions under control less we stray too far from being that rock every woman wants. Being emotionally stable, and well adjusted, and independent are the best things you can be as a man because it cuts your dependancy on women while also attracting them.

        [–]2wiseclockcounter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I commented on that cute video of the little kid getting a shot and growling "I'm a MAN". Predictably, people were talking about how terrible it is that men's emotions are repressed like that, but in actuality, a man will be unhappy, or if it's any different- less happy than he ever could be, if he does not have the capacity to deal with his problems in a masculine way.

        Embracing masculinity in it's fullest sense is not easy at all. I remember as a kid, as I'm sure many others do, being told to man up or being shamed for crying. My feelings were hurt and my pride was getting in the way of admitting the truth and my responsibility. Masculinity is about personal accountability. Which invites consideration of women's general lack of it...

        It's about shifting your "person" from the bitch inside you to the boss inside you. People who say it's wrong for us to be hard on young boys and their emotions don't realize the benefit of that transition. It makes them better people who can actually respect themselves. If you willfully remain the bitch version of yourself, and you still think you respect yourself, you are in denial. If you've consciously changed your mind through years of development to become the boss version of yourself, then you know you can respect yourself and you give that self-respect meaning.

        This is a tough process best learned as a child while the mind is young. This sub should be testament enough that old habits die hard.

        also its lest* :P

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Exactly. Cant up vote this enough.

        [–]Jonesey505 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        There's talking about how you feel with a view to solving your problem.

        There's saying nothing about your problem and letting it fester inside.

        And then there's talking endlessly about it and crying.

        Of these responses, I think the second is the dysfunctional male response, and the third is the dysfunctional female response. I believe the first response is the best way to deal with any issue you have, and that goes for men and women.

        By letting your emotions fester inside, they remain undefined and all consuming. By talking endlessly about your problems you start self-victimising, and fairly soon you enter the path of self-matyrdom. Talking about your problem with a view to solving it helps you to see the issue more clearly, and you'll gain empathy from other people.

        [–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Just like women have every right to be fat, shrill, bitchy slobs. They just need to understand it will not attract men.

        [–]writewhereileftoff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Go ahead. Just dont expect it to be attractive to the other sex.

        [–]1KissTheBridesmaid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Vulnearbility can be valuable, but only if coming from a man who is percieved as strong and is choosing to be vulnerable.

        [–]2IVIaskerade 49 points50 points  (17 children)

        Here's the thing. Men have a right to the full range of emotions. However, that doesn't mean that people won't still perceive you as weak for showing them. The right to do something is also the responsibility to bear the consequences.

        Law 30 states "make your accomplishments seem effortless". There is a difference between experiencing emotion (nobody can entirely stop that unless they have a mental disorder) and showing it (anyone can hide their true feelings). By hiding your emotions, your anger, your hurt, people will see you as unfazable, as untouchable by worldly setbacks. By hiding your happiness and weakness, your will pique the curiosity of women, who want to be able to be "the one to make you open up". By allowing yourself to feel emotions, but not showing it, by adopting a calm, stoic perspective, you will become a more powerful person.

        Yes, men suffer alone, but that makes them stronger. I neither need nor want the pity of people who do not understand me.

        [–]CornyHoosier 11 points12 points  (13 children)

        Men have a right to the full range of emotions. However, that doesn't mean that people won't still perceive you as weak for showing them

        That fine. I find it perfectly acceptable for some people to perceive my display of emotion as a weakness. To me personally, I find the loss of emotional control as a weakness.

        For example, I think it's perfectly acceptable to display anger; but believe it's a lose of emotional control to allow anger to overwhelm you to the point where you physically lash out violently. I find it perfectly acceptable to be unhappy or cry if you've experienced some sort of sorrow; but I find it to be a lose of emotional control if you roll around kicking and screaming on the ground.

        Again, I understand that people in our society believe male emotion to be a weakness ... I just no longer allow their thoughts to influence my life. It's a personal choice that each man must make.

        [–]Kill_Your_Ego 6 points7 points  (3 children)

        When you are showing emotions you are earning yourself a shit test, period. There are only so many shit tests you can survive and you've got to pass pretty much all of them. So you can show your emotions but each time you are getting a shit test for it within a few weeks.

        [–]1Revo_Luzione 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I enjoy setting up shit tests with emotionality, only to crush them mercilessly with teasing and dread game. It comes from the Temujin Khan school--big emotional ups & downs. It's fun & sharpens the dark triad chops.

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          [–]NakorZ 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          What I find most disturbing about this whole thing is the total lack of self-awareness women seem to have of their own actions. Their capacity to express one belief and then follow the direct opposite within the span of a conversation makes me question their intelligence or even sentience. It's such a mindfuck.

          [–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Their capacity to express one belief and then follow the direct opposite within the span of a conversation makes me question their intelligence or even sentience.

          You and me both.

          [–]RealRational 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I recently made a post that talked about this same thing, healthy emotional processing is necessary to becoming a healthy, independent human being.

          [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

          This is one of the best posts I've read in a while.

          Bravo sir.

          [–]1beerthroway 10 points11 points  (2 children)

          Fantastic post. It reminded me of the quote from Fight Club:

          We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.

          [–]doc_rotten 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          I subscribed to respond to this:

          Much of concern with women today, is they too were also raised by single mothers.

          [–]1beerthroway 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Exactly. Learning from women who learned from women about what a man should be. So far removed from an original source it's laughable.

          [–]laere 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          This is what I needed today. Thanks.

          [–]HeadingRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          And I can, have and did get laid- and that's part of my problem. If I never was able to land a woman I would be in a large paid-off house with a nice retirement fund thinking if I want to work until 55 or 65.

          But I got some and I got stupid. And part of that stupid was thinking I could use my wallet to fix my relationships. Now I know that is not the case.

          [–]slcjosh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          People fear what can't be controlled. Its that simple. We don't buy into the bullshit and that's scary. It doesn't mean we hate women. It doesn't mean we're racist or bigoted or whatever else people claim. It just means we see things for what they are.

          [–]waitfor_ittt 380 points381 points  (153 children)

          Male here, 22, TRP has helped me get over my ex GF and understand my own value. I love myself, and I love women even more now because I understand them and their natural instincts.

          [–]twolanterns 207 points208 points  (145 children)

          It's been said before and should be said again, TRP is not anti-woman. People who believe so are the real bigots, since they never read up on the quality posts here.

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            [–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (16 children)

            The problem of anti-X movements is they never have a defined end-game. Hooray, we removed racism, communism, friendzone and the nation of Finland, what now?

            [–]itsmehobnob 35 points36 points  (14 children)

            Case in point is MADD. The founder of the organization left because she felt it was more concerned with perpetuating itself than celebrating the success it has had. It continually needs to move the goal posts in order to have something to be Against.

            [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 25 points26 points  (9 children)

            MADD stopped being about "anti drunk driving" a long time ago. They are now just as corrupt a political lobby with a self-serving agenda as any other lobby.

            [–]Kill_Your_Ego 19 points20 points  (0 children)

            'The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.'

            [–]1Halfjor 20 points21 points  (0 children)

            The whole raising the drinking age thing really pisses me off. Well over 90% of drunk drivers are in their 20's or older. From anything I've seen, kids that are 16-21 are more scared to drive after drinking because they're are younger, less experienced, and know they could lose their license instantly.

            The problem is the culture around alcohol not the laws. People don't crave alcohol or hurt themselves with it nearly as much in Europe as the United States. It's introduced earlier with parents around, and it's understood that it's nothing special. 21st birthdays are glorified in the United States. Kids even go to Canada when they turn 19. Teens get black out drunk at weekend parties because it's a forbidden fruit and they are taught that they can't easily get it, so they might as well drink as much as possible.

            Fuck MADD. Its name, as if "mothers" makes your concerns more important than everyone else's. Its policies. Any group that wants to make laws and fuck with my life based on their emotions and feelings instead of logic and facts really pisses me off. Fuck them. I started having beers with my dad while working around the house when I was ~15. Wine with dinner sometimes. Drinks on holidays. I'm far better off for it. I still get hammered sometimes but I never had that attitude that some kids have towards it.

            [–]XXXmormon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            In my hometown, I dealt with MADD constantly to try to get music festivals and concerts going with the support of other local organizations. It was going to mean more publicity and more ticket sales if we could convince parents that it was a safe environment.

            Every time we tried to contact them, they chose to not reply to our correspondence. Instead, they would always go to the newspaper, drum up some drama about how we are trying to be secretive, refusing to talk to them, and make a bunch of wild accusations about the nature of our events. It was exhausting.

            They had no interest in whether or not we were being safe. They were only interested in using our events as opportunities to build up controversy and give them a public venue to display their concern for all the community to see. Fucking useless people.

            [–]dvrzero 8 points9 points  (3 children)

            raising the drinking age to 21... how did they celebrate that, with cake?

            [–]Jf5ve 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            Go north, drinking age is 19 in most Canada, 18 in Quebec last I checked anyways.

            [–]Titan5000 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            [–]coffee_and_lumber 16 points17 points  (0 children)

            It's easy enough for newbies to come here and find examples of men bad mouthing women and not being shamed and reprimanded for it. TRP veterans recognize that anger and bruised ego is only part of the first uncomfortable stages of swallowing the Pill and so let it lie. This is a safe place.

            [–]BlaiseDB 102 points103 points  (69 children)

            I'm not anti-women, I am anti-feminist. The problem is that feminists can't tell the difference and refuse to acknowledge that not all feminists are women and not all women are feminists.

            Perhaps I am just anti-stupid, which is what really pisses off feminists when they are still on about earning 78 cents on the dollar or whatever mendacious/ignorant number it is they are throwing out this time around.

            I've never had any particular problem meeting women, having sex partners or - hey - even falling in a love a few times. However, after 3 years at a left coast law school and then 4 years as a divorce attorney I said "fuck this". I was sick of all the feminist bullshit and having to tell fathers, "sorry man the system is rigged against you."

            I tore up my shingle, moved to China, and now this really pisses the feminists off that I am having sex with women who are younger, prettier, have one quarter the divorce rate and one sixth the obesity rate. And now that their sexless neckbeard insult has been proven as untrue as the "gender wage gap", what is their reply?

            Oh, that's because he's intimidated by a strong, independent North American woman.

            Are you delusional, bitch? Before law school I spent ten years in the military doing explosive demolitions. You think some cow with a gender studies degree intimidates me?

            </rant>

            [–]coffee_and_lumber 38 points39 points  (2 children)

            Are you delusional, bitch? Before law school I spent ten years in the military doing explosive demolitions. You think some cow with a gender studies degree intimidates me?

            Got a good kick out of this. I think about my own military service and all the places I've been and traveled to, and all the struggles of my life every time I see one of these people furiously spinning wheels with their useless education. Undisciplined, self-righteous, shrill, entitled, and seeing no correlation between their feminist beliefs and their own disastrous level of unattractiveness.

            Thank you for your service.

            [–]BlaiseDB 19 points20 points  (0 children)

            Appreciated. Of course the irony is that I spent a decade preparing to fight the commies, and now I sort of is one!

            Chimo

            [–]Taymanners 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Have a fucking up upvote brother.

            [–]Talisk3r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            You should be a motivational speaker, that rant got me ready for battle.

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              [–]BlaiseDB 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              I sort of joke that there are two types of prostitutes: those you pay to get into bed and those you pay to go away after. Whenever you read a celebrity scandal about some rich guy caught with a hooker, it will be the second type.

              I think a number of contributors have commented here about always be doing things as part of the attraction and maintenance of a woman. And others will say that your woman will try to take control of thing and if you let them, that is a role reversal that spells death.

              Woman can do, in theory, do just about any career but they should be judged by and held to the same standards that men have been for the last 6000 years of recorded history.

              [–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              What people can't understand is that TRP isn't misogynistic, it's sexist. It deals with the reality that men and women have different desires, strengths, and weaknesses and discusses the consequences of those differences.

              The thing is, being sexist is not evil. Nature is sexist. Science is sexist. Dealing with the world without taking gender into account cannot result in a complete picture of gendered relationships. Funny how it's always the science and nature documentaries that mirror what is said in TRP. Science and nature are sexist.

              [–]badnews6string 22 points23 points  (0 children)

              I have been called a misogynist so many times I can't even count. Every time I have responded that I am not, that I like women, and truly enjoy their company, but I don't eat bullshit, no matter how pretty the server, nor whether the utensil is lead or gold.

              [–]Strangeclouds420 13 points14 points  (3 children)

              Exactly, the haters use low-quality posts and out-of-context quotes to disqualify TRP.

              [–]dgillz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Many of which are planted by our opponents.

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                [–]Evolved_Red 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                I recently reconnected with my best friend from high school, a girl, whom i had not seen in almost 10 years. No physical attraction, she's literally like my little sister.

                She's just ended a 6 year live-in relationship with a lesbian. She had a ltr boyfriend and was a woman of God last i saw her. Now she's living a life of sin (according to her).

                Out at dinner, she questions me on how guys can put up with so much drama that women create needlessly. All the mind games, all the manipulation on feelings. Her own words were 'it took me to sleep with a woman just to see how messed up women are!' and was why she ended her relationship.

                I'm amazed and appreciate that some women like yourself are out there and aware of the struggles that men put up with in the dating world.

                [–]kaihau 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Yep!

                Although I am attracted to women, I don't really date much. I still get the drama, the mind games, all the negatives. I don't need it. I know how guys feel in the dating world and I agree with a good portion of this subreddit.

                There's a lot I've learned about myself dating women though. I don't [think I] shit test or play mind games. I'm forward and to the point. It's sort of a taught thing I think, and I didn't have a very good childhood and didn't have a female figure in my life except my grandmother who really wasn't that interested in me. I never really had female friends either.

                My sister plays games with guys because my mom taught her to. My mom is on her 3rd marriage, getting married in a few months to the 3rd beta guy she found (I thought he was alpha when I met him, then he submitted to her stupid bullshit). I love when my sister reads me texts how she's mad at her boyfriend because he's being alpha and not putting up wth her shit. The other day I saw a text that he sent after she "broke up with him": "[Sister] If you text me 3 more times I'm blocking you" so she replies "OK" and the boyfriend texts her back "2." I laughed and applauded him. I don't think she knows what to do, and he doesn't really give a shit because while he's having a great life in college and already in a great job, she's sitting at home doing nothing and depending on him.

                [–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                Read this:

                http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2yn18l/psa_regarding_new_guidelines_courtesy_of_your_new/

                I am not going to take further action, because I don't think you are actually consciously trying to get extra attention "because vagina". You're just kind of used to doing that.

                But it needs to stop. In the future, do not preface comments with "As a woman,". It lends nothing to your argument. The proper thing to say would have been "I am bisexual, so I... etc etc etc".

                It's okay if someone manages to infer that you have a vagina, but don't yell and wave it about... unless you brought enough for everybody.

                [–]Booksarefun666 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                When I was a teen I always thought lesbians were a beautiful thing until I actually dipped my toe in the dating pool with other girls. Kind of creepy, I know, but hey.

                I certainly don't envy you, you get basically none of the perks of being a girl in the dating world I imagine. :P

                [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (35 children)

                TRP is anti-women the same way I'm racist because I point out the majority of robberies are committed by black people.

                It's a fact. It's just not socially acceptable to point it out.

                [–]HumanSimulacrum 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                It's a fact. It's just not socially acceptable to point it out.

                The problem is that it's a rather worthless fact. It's worthless because it explains nothing about why they commit more crimes, and gives us nothing to go on in terms of reducing crime.

                The fact that most crimes are committed by poor and uneducated people, conversely, is a useful fact. If we reduce the number of people without a good education, we can reduce crime. If we reduce the number of people who are so poor that they feel the need to steal, we can reduce crime. But reducing the number of black people will not reduce crime, unless they happen to be (surprise!) uneducated and poor black people.

                The other problem is that facts like this are misused to justify racist attitudes, regardless of whether the person who initially points it out has racist intentions.

                [–]singeblanc 15 points16 points  (32 children)

                No, that is a bit racist; disingenuous at least. The vast majority of robberies are carried out by poor and undereducated people. In some places (large parts of the US) there us a very high correlation between being black and being poor and undereducated. Once you adjust for poverty, skin colour isn't much if a factor, and perpetuating the myth is primarily used by those with a racist agenda.

                TL;DR: Rich black people are unlikely to be robbers, poor white areas have predominantly white burglars.

                [–]apachemd 11 points12 points  (20 children)

                You're bring pedantic. "Most robberies are committed by black people" is a true statement. Period. You can slice and dice and qualify and explain it away any way you want, but it remains a true statement. It is a statistical fact. Black and white.

                [–]2wiseclockcounter 1 point2 points  (12 children)

                bit racist... disingenuous... I'd probably go with unqualified truth. Saying "most robberies are committed by black people" is a faulty statement because it leaves open the opportunity for it to support a racist agenda.

                It's pretty standard practice in science for example to offer a conclusion, but heavily disclaim it with other explanations or reasons why the research could be more complete. People get what you're saying. But let's not be deliberately thick.

                [–]coffee_and_lumber 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                There's no progress until everyone involved in the dialog is on the same page. If that's clouded by everyone trying to seem nice and enlightened, nobody is going to get anywhere.

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                  [–]rockinbizkitz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                  Man, I wish I had come across this like ten years ago Atleast

                  [–]Jf5ve 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I'm with you on that. Although I'm not sure in my youthful ignorance I would have listened.

                  [–]_whistler 95 points96 points  (6 children)

                  joining the red pill did not start the insults, instead the insults started the red pill.

                  Important point, and well stated.

                  I think it's pretty safe to say that most women don't really understand to what degree sex matters in the average man's life. He finds more than a physical release, he finds belonging and acceptance in sex. Sex for a man is knowing you are wanted.

                  I can't stress the truth of this statement enough. We've been conditioned to reject this part of ourselves, this primal urge toward fulfilling sex and dominant behavior. We've had our natures coerced and beaten from us since childhood, and to the less-aware man, this takes a horrible psychological toll. This community we have here, within this subreddit, is a place to begin repairing the damage done by a society at odds with tens of thousands of years of masculine instinct.

                  This is precisely why, after finding the Red Pill, I've stayed here and been an (on-and-off) active member of the community. Because not all men are self-aware enough to really know this without help. For me, the number one concept the Red Pill represents is such a self-awareness. And it cannot be an evil thing to be self-aware.

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                    [–]-Luthe- 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                    "Oh your spending the night at Chad's tonight honey? Don't worry, i'll take care of the kids"

                    This gave me a good laugh.

                    If only the poor sap knew Chad's last name.

                    [–]badnews6string 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                    The more I hang out here, the more I know about myself, how I behave, and how I react to others. Amazingly enough, I seem to have been red pill in every relationship I have had. I did not realize that when I walked away from every girl who has ever tried to bend me to her will, I was not walking into "you are going to be lonely your whole life", I was walking away from a VERY possible lifetime of manipulation and abuse.

                    edit: VERY

                    [–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    This, absolutely this.

                    Learning about and becoming more masculine has been a breath of fresh air for me - it feels right. I hate using phrasing like, "I truly found myself", but I am a much happier, much more effective person now than in the past. Masculinity is great, and I'm sad I wasted almost 30 years not truly having a good grasp on it.

                    I will thank the girl who broke me so hard I came upon PUA and the manosphere until the day I die.

                    [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 93 points94 points  (1 child)

                    It's basically three things.

                    First it is the oldest trick in the book to discredit the messenger in order to distract from and discredit the message and sometimes even to create a bogeyman. By shaming us as neckbeards, loosers, virgins, misogynists, you name it, they create a picture in the head of people before they get a chance to form an opinion based on the content served here.

                    If you need an example how well this works, then picture a terrorist in your head. Now tell me what he looks like. Does he look like a ginger member of the IRA? Does he look like a Basque from the ETA? Does he look like a German from the RAF? Does he look like Timothy McVeigh? Is it maybe even a woman? Probably not. I bet he's got a beard.

                    Secondly it's the application of the japanese proverb "The nail that sticks out gets hammered." We've got the nerve to act contra popular consent. We deny to let ourself be manipulated anymore. We refuse to play the game by the rules which we never set up and agreed to in the first place, because the price offered just doesn't appeal to us any more.

                    And lastly we hold up a mirror to them. It can't be true that in the end it indeed is myself who is able to make change to my life to the better. It must not be, that I can't blame all the strawmen I've put up for my personal misery.

                    I am fat because genetics and thyriod and not because I am a lazy fuck whose nutrition consists of Cheetos flushed down with a bucket of Mountain Dew. I am unhappy because society denies me my happiness, and not because I can't be bothered to make a step out of my comfort zone. I don't get what my neighbour has, because of his priveleges and not because I spend my time on tumblr or in the World of Warcraft, while I could have used that time to educate myself and maybe build a career. I do net get laid because I wasn't nice enough and because of Chad McCocky, who finally fucked her brains out, and not because I am a pathetic piece of wobbly meat which stinks, has got no sense for fashion and lacks confidence. I lack confidence because of society and not because I actually don't have just anything I could be confident about.

                    And finally it just cannot be true that these misogynistic shitlords get all these things just by tweaking their lifes. They must be loudmouthed pathetic neckbearded loosers.

                    [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                    My sex life is a thousand times better since finding the red pill. I get blow jobs on command and my wife is so much more turned on by me now that her sex life is a thousand times better.

                    Feminism is a plague and the red pill is the cure.

                    [–]suloco 23 points24 points  (0 children)

                    Discovering TRP has in all seriousness been the most important moment of my adult life.

                    There is no way I can ever express the gratitude for what you guys started here.

                    Shit, I'm genuinely getting emotional, gotta go!

                    [–]Namaste1994 62 points63 points  (1 child)

                    Male, 20, TRP has done more for me in the last 3 months of reading than the last 11 months i spent moping and complaining over why i lost my gf (oneits to the max). I am more confident and i honestly dont really give a fuck what they think of me anymore and people(particularly girls) have picked up on that. I owe more than i can give to TRP. steps off soapbox

                    [–]mister_barfly75 33 points34 points  (2 children)

                    joining the red pill did not start the insults, instead the insults started the red pill.

                    The SJWs of the world don't get this, though. I was answering a thread in AskReddit a couple of weeks ago (the thread was asking parents why they didn't have anything to do with their kids) and my response didn't exactly paint my ex-wife in a positive light. The mere fact that I had dared suggest that a woman might not be a special snowflake prompted some white knight to go through my post history and find out that I was TRP.

                    Obviously, the only natural conclusion he came to after that was that my marriage crumbled because I was your average TRP douche and she obviously deserved better and not that a failed marriage to a bitch while being a completely beta faggot had helped put me on the path here to try and find a better way of conducting myself and making sure that it didn't happen to me again.

                    Fuck 'em. They can think and squawk all they want, it won't affect the life I'm living or stop me from striving to improve myself and achieve my goals.

                    The womyn don't like the idea that they've finally been figured out and getting resistance, the guys are either hampered by crab-bucket mentality or hoping that being Captain Save-a-ho will score them some poon which is just as manipulative as they claim our strategies are.

                    [–]coffee_and_lumber 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                    The womyn don't like the idea that they've finally been figured out and getting resistance

                    The more of us there are, the more we are going to see the cognitive dissonance of a feminist population who wants to have their cake and eat it too. I don't think many of us have any problem whatsoever with female equality on all fronts. The kicker comes when they no longer get to have the benefit of that equality and our chivalry, money, effort, pedastalization, etc.

                    [–]mister_barfly75 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                    I don't think many of us have any problem whatsoever with female equality on all fronts.

                    Absolutely. I don't care what gender, colour, religion, whatever you belong to, if you do a decent job then you deserve a decent wage. What I do care about is girls sat at a register all day complaining that they're not getting paid the same as a guy slogging his guts out hauling shit around in the warehouse, or someone getting a position over someone with more aptitude or experience simply to tick a box on the latest diversity quota.

                    We've spent decades being brow-beaten and shamed simply for having a penis, and told that if we were just a little more caring, or effeminate, if we'd just relinquish the reins of our own lives and let the smarter gender take control for it for us then we'd get the Hollywood RomCom ending and be happy with the woman of our dreams for the rest of our lives.

                    TRP is proof that guys have been thought this, seen through this, and we now know that the walk down the aisle doesn't guarantee the Happy Ever After we'd been promised, that being a doormat means nothing other than you're something for someone else to walk on and scrape the shit from their shoes.

                    As for cake and eat it too, damn right. And that's why they hate us on TRP. They want their BBs that are easily controllable and so grateful to be given a half-hearted handjob every six months but will pay out for everything they want, but at the same time they want the AFs that will give them the fucking they want.

                    Why not fuck your husband? Well, if you just give the horse a carrot instead of dangling it in front of them, would they be so easily lead?

                    So that brings things to us. TRP are the former betas who have been shat on too many times and decided that enough's enough. Which irks them for two reasons: (1) they can't differentiate between the natural Alphas and the ones that have taught themselves to be Alpha and so (2) that means that we represent a level of commitment to self-improvement that they simply can't fathom.

                    Betas expect sex handed to them simply for being a nice guy. Women want power and control simply because they've got a cunt. They want things handed to them, and if they play by the rules they expect it will be given to them. We, however, realise that that's not the case. You want something, you work for it. If you don't get it, then YOU fucked up and you better think fucking hard about what you need to change in order to get it. TRP isn't some hugbox or an echo chamber, it's a bunch of guys telling each other to man the fuck up, take responsibility for themselves and their actions and figure out a better way of achieving their goals. The white knights don't like it because it goes against their crab-bucket mentality, the women don't like it because they don't like knowing that we've figured that we can do just fucking fine without getting divorce raped by some post wall whore. Which explains the rise of MGTOW and the Japanese "Herbivore men."

                    At some point standing up for yourself became the sign of being a douchebag. Fine, I'm a douchebag. You can call me all the names you want, I'm sure I'll be weeping myself to sleep while I'm exploring the world, enjoying my life and having the regular sex I mistakenly thought I was entitled to simply because some bitch had my ring on her finger.

                    [–]reptiliansentinel 56 points57 points  (6 children)

                    This sub is full of men who fix problems. Women "address" problems, but rarely fix them. Your girl would rather you commiserate through her personal pain with her than solve it for her. When redpillers saw that we weren't having the kind of success in love and sex that we wanted, we sought to fix these issues. Instead of complaining on tumblr that we just didn't get enough love or respect, we took those things.

                    [–]coffee_and_lumber 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                    Great point. This makes me wonder if a significant percentage of guys who are attracted to this place have hobbies involving building/fixing/customizing things.

                    [–]1StinkyDiaper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    This sub probably has some subscribers who hold somewhat lofty positions of status in the workforce and society. It'd be incredible to met other RedPillers someday, but I'm assuming most here want to remain anonymous, for obvious reasons.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I like to build, fix, and customize. It's all part of the mentality behind self-reliance and self-worth.

                    I am getting ready to build a table: why? Why not. Building things is fun and teaches the finer points of attention to detail and finishing a project that turned raw material into a product is satisfying. It's satisfying because I did it. My self reliance just increased my self worth.

                    I'm worthy because I do worthy things. I do those worthy things because I rely on myself first and others second.

                    [–]Ratcheta 26 points27 points  (0 children)

                    I hate women about as much as I hate everyone else. Which is to say, not that much to start until proven otherwise. I merely understand that there are differences between the way the genders think and feel. This therefore affects the way I will interact as such. Especially given the fact that if it is an attractive women, I'll likely desire intercourse with them eventually.

                    If that makes me wrong in the eyes of people who I'm otherwise not associated with and could give two fucks about, then being right is just not for me. The first 18 years of my life have proved that being 'right' in society's view got me nothing. Being 'wrong' so far has.

                    Some loneliness is necessary to maintain sanity in this sort of world.

                    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                    even the feminists and social justice warriors of the world denouncing sex as that important have made our manhoods (and therefore rights to have or speak an opinion at all) entirely dependent on our access to sex. Why would being a virgin or a neckbeard matter, unless sex truly does matter to our manhoods?

                    The grand irony is how feminists get upset by things like saying a guy "throws like a girl" is a slight against girls and women, as if being a girl is a pejorative. Yet they turn around and do the same exact thing when it comes to men and their ability to get sex, that if a man can't get laid then it's because of or makes him a loser. Says a lot about their thought process, doesn't it?

                    Another facet to this irony is that it confirms the crux of the lock and key analogy regarding sluts vs studs.

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                    [–]Philhelm 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                    I'm married and have children, and have probably had sex with 60+ women, most of which were one night stands or brief flings. At the age of 34 years, I now find myself adrift, but with the desire for new frontiers.

                    I don't view The Red Pill so much as a strategy for getting laid, but rather guidelines for becoming the men that we were meant to be in a culture that has systematically attempted to break men down. The Red Pill has helped inspire me to turn the dissatisfaction in my life into goals of self-improvement, so I don't spend the remainder of my life adrift.

                    Don't count me out just yet; it's time for a comeback!

                    [–]FattestRabbit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                    I don't view The Red Pill so much as a strategy for getting laid, but rather guidelines for becoming the men that we were meant to be in a culture that has systematically attempted to break men down.

                    I think you're spot on; RP is about being the best version of yourself. To do that, you have to examine the limitations society artificially places on you (spend money on this, look like that, talk like this, don't do that) so that you can remove them and grow the way you're meant to. A side-effect of that is having an easier time getting laid.

                    A lot of the 'sexual strategy' that gets incorporated is really about taking 'the best you' and projecting it in an optimal way (having game). That part is the icing on the cake that is 'becoming the best you' in the first place (in my opinion).

                    Cheers man, and good luck.

                    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                    Yeah I came from a similar POV. Yeah sure I've had a few dry spells over the years, but for the most part I've extremely successful sexually since losing my virginity at age 15, yet that did not insulate me from the pratfalls that come with the crime of being male in western civilization. Previous to finding this place, I was flying through life with a self enforced blindness that comes with false doctrine. I possessed the wisdom, but bought into the narrative that suppressed it. It took crisis for me to achieve the breakthrough moment. I have been lied to. I have been misled. Society at large does not advocate justice for me as a man. I am nothing more than disposable fodder, unworthy of rights and basic human dignity.

                    The existence of TRP proves that seeking actual truth and rationality necessary for male happiness has become a transcendent pursuit in the profound.

                    We've eclipsed ordinary awakening. This decline is so fucking fubared that if you don't continuously beg for sex during romantic escalation you will be labeled a rapist and your life permanently destroyed. This shit is is scream out loud batshit nuts and is actually being codified into law. Worse yet, its just the tip of the fucking iceberg. The fact that people don't routinely reject such absurdity is far beyond outrageous. We here at TRP serve as one of the few oasis of truth in this landscape of mass hysteria and insanity - all while being lampooned and strawmanned. When you process the entirety of it, its a mindfuck. The world is a fucked up place.

                    Once an individual breaks free from the delusion of the New Intersectional MoralityTM they begin to see it for what it is - society bending to the will of narcissists, borderline personality deficients and the emotionally arrested who have bizarrely blamed masculinity everywhere for their personal failings and mental illness.

                    TRP is an open rejection of original male sin. Its proper self valuation. Its rationality. Its the pursuit of mental serenity.

                    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                    A year ago when I first started posting on Reddit I wrote about my experiences on the Ok Cupid dating site and posted it to the OKC subreddit.

                    http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1qg2q3/honest_redpill_assesment_of_ok_cupid/

                    I was immediately shouted down by fat social justice warriors who were offended. Was my experience helpful? Was my writing humorus? Was my analysis incorrect?

                    It didnt matter. The fat she Beasts were mad. They were mad and they were going to stampede around being mad and no one was going to hear my voice.

                    Thats when it dawned on me that you cant post realist dating advice on reddit because the offended women will down vote it to hell. All that remains is the politicaly correct just be yourself and pamper her advice.

                    Eventually I found a receptive audience in the Red Pill and its been a gay old time ever since.

                    [–]redarkane 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                    I've been in three relationships that have spanned over 5 years of my life.

                    I ain't no Virgin.

                    I just got tired of getting cheated on by women and begin seeing common characteristics between all of them.

                    [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                    Get ready for another 1,000 subscribers.

                    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                    We are attacked because we are a threat. Because sex is a threat. Because the alpha guy is a threat. Because women's sexual desire is a threat.

                    And women attack threats. Especially if she can perceive or make it a low SMV threat. You virgin neckbeards.

                    Sex is a direct threat to every controlling woman with a BB man who must be told that he doesn't have better options.

                    Sex is a direct threat to every sexless marriage. In fact it is sexless because there is no sexual threat. And we bringing the threat back (dread game, self improvement).

                    Sex is threatening sexual competition. The worse a man believes his options are, the easier every woman has it. If all women and all men felt how awesome men really are, the whole SMV scale would tip heavily in our favour. Many more people would have much better sex, but it would be harder to lock down them beta bucks.

                    TL;DR Sex is a threat, attack the neckbeards!

                    [–]djvita 14 points15 points  (4 children)

                    I would wager to say this sub has the highest concentration of attractive men on reddit. We tell each other to lift, groom, have ambition, approach a lot, have game etc.

                    [–]dropit_reborn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Bzzzt! Wrong answer.

                    Maybe that's a little harsh. But the subreddit's main goal should not be counting attractive men in its membership---you can set up a frat for that---but rather to improve the attractiveness of its members over time, from any level.

                    [–]rossiFan 29 points30 points  (4 children)

                    Joe Rogan said it best: "There's a lot of bitches in this world, and most of them are men".

                    TRP is the anti-manbitch. That's all.

                    [–]coffee_and_lumber 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                    You can be inspired by nothing but the JRE, never hear about TRP, and make massive headway. Bless that man.

                    [–]1StinkyDiaper 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    I really hope that Joe Rogan comes across TheRedPill someday. Not that he exactly needs it, but I'd like to hear his thoughts on it.

                    [–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    Considering TRP is 100% in his target demographic, and we've got a goodly number of people here, there's a good chance he's aware of this place.

                    [–]the-Real_Slim-Shady 22 points23 points  (2 children)

                    I'm a man that was raised by my mother. My father, while an exceptional provider, was and still is never around (as he works abroad). How can a woman teach me how to be a man?

                    This is why I am here. TRP has helped me tremendously. It has helped me become a better person: a better lover, a better student, a better employee, and a better son.

                    To the detractors I would like to say that the ideas expressed here are merely a framework. Most of the anecdotes I've read here I understand to be hyperbole. I won't say that the premises expressed here are "true", just that they reinforce what I've experienced to be true.

                    PS My mother is as strong as they come. Although she could not equip me with the tools to be a man (the male perspective), she has done the best she can in a less-than-ideal situation, and I love her for it.

                    [–]mastapetz 21 points22 points  (7 children)

                    Don't hate me for this, but I can tell you why a lot of people on reddit snarl at the mention of this sub.

                    There is a vocal minority, where this insult fits. While you barely will see a post of them in here, they will preach red pill sermons in some threads around reddit, often in a condescending tone sounding like frustrated sexless neckbeards. I am quite sure some of you found some of those cringe worthy answers of "red pillers" that just seem to scream "hate me and hate everyone that is in the same sub as me"

                    I mostly lurk here, there sometimes are really really good threads, that helped me understand the world a bit better and recognise hamstring for what it is and also got somehow to realises when I am shit tested and when not. Also some of the pages and blogs I got to know from here helped me through difficult times.

                    Just, I am right now at a point where red pill can't help me, a point where I need to get out before any of the good tipps you read here can be used. I am not at fuck all, I am at "I don't even care about women". Honestly I don't even know how I got to this point.

                    [–]Modredpillschool[S] 18 points19 points  (5 children)

                    If you don't see them post here, but act like retards everywhere else... Maybe they're not from here but are trying to spread a different image of us?

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                        [–]1feminazis_stalk_me 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                        This is why you need a separate account for TRP. My main account was banned from several subs for just being associated with TRP. The same thing happened - my voice wasn't going along with the rest of the echo chamber and I was outed when they went through my post history.

                        "We got a Terper! Downvote this misogynistic scum bag!" Was the alarm cry, and so I had to make this account. Because feminazis were stalking me from sub to sub. It's ridiculous - who the fuck does that? It's like our posts are all automatically invalidated because we post on TRP. USE AN ALTERNATE ACCOUNT WHEN POSTING ON TRP!

                        [–]bunnylajoya8 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                        Feminists get annoyed/call misogyny when men here talk about about plates/ONS/casual sex, because they like to remove agency/responsibility from women. A grown woman should know that if she gives it up on the first date/meeting that a man is not going to want that in an LTR. If a woman doesn't want to be dumped early, she should keep her legs closed. All I see on TRP is discussions of injustice, confirmation of the importance of TRP in men's lives, the sharing of experiences & everything else that is conducive to healthy discussion. I don't see misogyny apart from new members who are still struggling with the truth, I don't believe manipulation is part of TRP at all.

                        Edit: accidentally pressed enter, can't remember my conclusion, but I think what I've said still stands. Also, very interesting post OP :)

                        [–]thenarrrowpath 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                        The ironic part of the name calling is that it ends up attracting the majority of its subscribers purely by curiosity. Then once its actual read everyone realizes the rest of reddit hasn't even read this sub.

                        [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (3 children)

                        I think it's pretty safe to say that most women don't really understand to what degree sex matters in the average man's life.

                        I think it's safe to say they're aware of it, even if they don't understand it.

                        One of the first girls I dated around 15 years ago when I was full blown doormat nice guy, said to me flat out when I was trying to explain that I could be macho assertive and sexy:

                        "We need guys like you to stay the way you are."

                        It isn't just that people think Red Pill is offensive. It goes entirely against the economics of a society where men are expected to be humbled providers. If birth rates plummet in a nation where men start to learn that it's not just ok, but preferable to stay unmarried with no children, then it's that society's death knell.

                        [–]SwissPablo 16 points17 points  (2 children)

                        Men trying to understand the dynamics of dating and relationships is, to women, men trying to game the system. That's why we're all uggo neckbeards.

                        [–]coffee_and_lumber 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                        This has occurred to me as well. I think that it's better for them if the guy came out of the womb masculine and dominant as fuck. It has to be natural and elemental. This is partly why it's important to not let others see the hard work you're doing, just the result. It should look effortless.

                        I think it's not stated clearly enough that self-directed, systematic, real change and improvement is a superpower particularly inherent in men. The hardest part is overcoming ego to admit honestly what my weaknesses really are and embracing that reality while patiently changing it.

                        If you have that firestorm of ambition in your belly on full blast, everything else follows from that. It doesn't matter if you find it at 5 years old or 50.

                        [–]rpmanwithaquestion 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                        Before coming here for the first time I have to admit Reddit already had and has a well defined prejudice over TRP which somehow leaked into my consciousness and I felt I had no reason to be here. Until one day I decided to actually see for myself what was behind all of this.

                        The rest you guys already know, the knowledge hits you like a train.

                        [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (13 children)

                        They've taken to calling it a cult recently after discovering we really don't give an iota of a fuck for their opinions.

                        [–]Thrug 24 points25 points  (2 children)

                        One of the key characteristics of a cult is control of the members. You aren't allowed to disagree with the leader / authority, and if you do then you are expelled.

                        I don't know how many folks get banned from this sub, but I do see a lot of open debate, which is the antithesis of a cult.

                        Case in point: I think a lot of TRP nomenclature is stupid, misleading and damaging to the core message (which, as OP suggests, is really important for men these days). I bet that I'm not only allowed to say this, but that others might agree or disagree in open debate.

                        [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 36 points37 points  (0 children)

                        The nomenclature is purposefully over the top and offensive. Believe it or not, it actually has a side effect of weeding out trolls, because their "triggers" make it so they can't help but post some SJW reply to something that hurts their fee-fees.

                        But the spirit behind our (what outsiders call) "offensive" language and tone is simple: we are men, and we will speak in a manner that we like among fellow men.

                        TRP is the men's locker room where no fucks are given about feminine or politically correct fee-fees.

                        TRP is that seedy, smoky room on the second floor of a seedy bar, with a bunch of men sitting around a poker table behind closed doors, smoking cigars, sipping whiskey, and saying what we want, and how we want to say it, about whatever the fuck we want to talk about. And yes, that includes talking about women, and no, what we have to say isn't always sunshine and flowers. We don't care what outsiders think because outsiders are not a part of the club. They don't have a seat at the table.

                        [–]RPthrowaway123 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        This place has made my life immeasurably better. Love you guys. That is all!

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                        [–]lordrand11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        Each time I find myself in the depths of despair looking for that sign of hope that life isn't as bad as it seems, a post like this shows up leading me ever more towards the red pill process of thought. Whether it be by divine influence or karmic balance, truly do I appreciate the words that seemingly match my experiences at each present moment they are gleaned.

                        I've found myself walking the halls of a dark corridor running through the constance that was my life and how I found myself in my current situation.

                        As one might expect, I followed what seemed to be the tempered logic of my being in the wrong at each moment that caused the dividing rift in them. It wasn't until a coworker of mine named this sub reddit off to me and gave me some keen insight on the ideals of TRP.

                        To add to the current post, the women I've been with all want one thing (including their own subordinates, i.e white knights) or desire said one thing: control. I find that entire process to be detrimental to the conscript of equality they so desperately cling to.

                        If ones idea of equality is to shit on the person next to him than there is none.

                        Misandrists, keep attacking you're only helping to drive the point that's made within this sub reddit further as well as label yourselves hypocrite.

                        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        Hi! I am new here, and I am tearing up right now. (: My personal success did not involve The Red Pill but now that I am here, I will happily stay and see what's offered. It's a process and I am not done!

                        [–]swoleo_dicaprio 16 points17 points  (9 children)

                        I didn't know the word "incel" until I started reading this sub, which alienated me; I lost my virginity at 16 and have been in the zone for 14 years. I've had great LTRs and ONSs and every kind of fling in between. I get the sense there are plenty of guys like me here: they have success, but they're still beleaguered by the flashes of inhumanity in the margins of their female relationships. It's those glimpses that hint at a deeper truth about the real power dynamics that underlie the romantic fairy tales. If you're at all interested in economies of power, it's because you're the type of guy who wants to get ahead and knows there's no rules. Lots of people here have observed TRP thinking/philosophy are abstractly applicable to business, friendship, and other competitive arenas where the ends justify the means.

                        Edit: diction. Tl;dr, let them call us neckbeards, be too busy winning at life

                        [–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        Indeed, I was much like you, and after leaving a 3-year relationship I saw how she changed and how she acted, and I saw my efforts failing. At the time I didn't know what I was doing was doubling down on my beta tendencies.

                        I had always had a certain level of luck with women- but it was just that: Luck. Now we have real theories on why and how things work.

                        [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                        I was much the same way; I never really had a problem getting women, my problem was in keeping them around. After discovering TRP, it all clicked. Over time with women, as I would become comfortable with them, I'd go from aloof dickhead to "caring boyfriend " type. Now I know better.

                        [–]coffee_and_lumber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Oh yeah, I've had no problems getting laid in my life and moving a little further and faster than some of my peers. But looking back at myself through the years, I was insufferably blue pill. A few alpha traits that brought women close to me, but so much beta overall, they all eventually fled in disgust. Good for them too. I wouldn't want to spend a life with the guy I used to be either.

                        I look at where I am now and it's incredible and inspiring to realize that any man can systematically and methodically change the very essence of what he is if he's willing to 1) Be Honest and 2) Do The Work.

                        [–]truchisoft 18 points19 points  (4 children)

                        Ever since taking the red pill I have dated girls that:
                        * Are prettier than any I've dated before
                        * Treat me like someone they look up to, all the time
                        * Are more receptive to my needs
                        * Lust after me all the time
                        * Have sex with me on almost every of my whims, and enjoy it
                        * Pay half of every expense (even on the first date!)
                        * Don't try to change me at all

                        [–]1FunAndFreedom 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                        And that's the important fact, The Red Pill is testable. We can all attest to it working.

                        Now if people want to heckle from distant subforums I can't stop them. I just smile and tell them to enjoy their wonderful and fulfilling lives. But the irony is that in the real world, the "betas" are the ones they call creepy and target with insults.

                        [–]1StinkyDiaper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Even many who absolutely despise TRP cannot deny that it works. I read about that in many other subreddit posts.

                        [–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        Quite.

                        Once you've actually truly made the change to your personality and outlook (i.e. you are abundant and have at least something of a frame), and see how your interactions with women change - there's no going back.

                        I remember in my bluepill days going without sex or even any sort of romantic contact for months or even over a year. I remember whining to a female friend (that I fell in love with) that I was so lonely and why couldn't I just find someone who cared about me.

                        Now, I can't even fathom being truly alone. Even if literally every girl I knew stopped responding to my texts tomorrow (and simply put, they will not), I could have a whole crop of new ones in less than a month of actual effort.

                        There's no keeping that sort of thing under wraps from everyone.

                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        I'd like to highlight a couple of your points:

                        • Treat me like someone they look up to, all the time
                        • Are more receptive to my needs

                        Lots of guys will gloss over these points and focus on the sexual ones, but these two are great LTR qualities to seek if you're a guy in the market for one.

                        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        They say that we're wrong in our assessments, and then revoke our manhoods by commenting on our inability to get sex.

                        I would like to say that it's a strategy beta employs. When in competition with a male of higher value, they discredit him as a sexual being in order to win the female's attention. No need to remind anybody, even out of the sub, that betas are those who can't get laid.

                        So actually, by using this very argument, they are basically saying they are the ones that can't get laid.

                        [–]coffee_and_lumber 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                        In general, women don't know what it takes to be a man, so we in the context of this subreddit and movement don't have to listen to their opinions. Weak-willed, feminized men obviously don't have a clue either so they too can be ignored (and fwiw, derided and shamed as well). I refuse to see any of that as bigoted. When I was in basic training, we were not to speak casually to our instructors. Ask questions? Sure, but our unsolicited opinions were pretty much universally ignored, even punished. Why? Because we knew nothing about being soldiers yet. We had nothing inside of us in the context of the military to have a frame of reference yet. It was not uncommon to feel ire at your instructor for them "picking" on you, but in no way were they wrong for doing so.

                        At nearly 40, I look back and see for sure that 25-year-old me would have been horrified that I'm here now. And young me would be absolutely wrong. I'll certainly not be shamed by some college sophomore with an anonymous Reddit account into getting into their frame. All we are selling here is male freedom and enlightenment as intended by nature, nothing more. No new age ideas, nothing invented or idealized. Simply what resides inside each of us from the get go. Generations of heavy-handed feminism, single mothers and feminine ideals in art and media have put layers of restrictions on essential, healthy, beautiful maleness before it has a chance to mature.

                        Women don't mean to do that, they've simply thrown out the baby with the bathwater in an attempt to reinforce traits in us they say they want, rather than objectively recognizing what we are supposed to be. An example: When I go to the dog park and the dogs are all play fighting with each other to decide who is in charge, often quite exuberantly and violently, it's always the female owners who step in, wide-eyed, and break it up before the dogs get a chance to sort out their hierarchy. They mean well. After all, they are protecting their dog from getting hurt! And that definitely will protect the animal. However, you are eliminating an essential social experience for that dog by protecting/controlling it.

                        Good post. As always when critique arises about us, I expect we'll see a spike in subscriptions (there were over 20 in the time it took me to write this) when people with actual reading comprehension skills come here and take a good, measured look around.

                        [–]abcd_z 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        My favorite comment that addresses the logical paradox involved in shaming red pillers would have to be this one:

                        Yep, we are simultaneously creepy neckbeard losers who can't get laid and dangerous Svengali manipulators who lure defenseless women into bed with our rapey psychology techniques.

                        I just hope that whole revolution thing happens soon. The way I simultaneously get laid and don't get laid is tearing a hole in my local space-time continuum.

                        [–]ChristianGraysBoss 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        I'm a handsome, wealthy lawyer. I'm incredibly successful with women now after many years of acting like a pussy post-college.

                        My discovery of TRP resulted from reading anti-leftist websites. My hope is that TRP will turn into a breeding ground for a cultural revolution of sorts. Nerds, neckbeards, jocks, lawyers, etc. pushing back against cultural decay as one force.

                        [–]NickCiufi 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                        I'm in a happily-monogamous marriage where sex is frequent. I also have no hairs on my neck. Where is your social justice now?!

                        [–]FatherDerp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        I wholeheartedly agree with what's being said here and I'd like to add a little bit from my perspective.

                        I've heard among the circles of women, their opinions of men and their attitude towards sex. It's ridiculous, albeit true in some cases.

                        Men only care about sex

                        Sex to men is just a game

                        Sex is all physical for a man and there's no emotion whatsoever

                        are just a few of the commonalities between opinions.

                        While this is a reality for some men, it's not a reality for those who are "sexless" or even without inter-gender contact.

                        I myself quite value the emotional side of sex and think it should play a part into sex as it makes it more enjoyable when you get the connection with your partner. Do I think it's necessary to enjoy sex? No.

                        And this seems to be the common consensus among my peers. I see it day in and day out where my friends complain that a girl they're seeing doesn't treat their needs with as much importance or value as they would like. Men have needs and it's not all about sex.

                        Hopefully this whole threat can get stickied because I think it's very important for outsiders to realize that we're not a bunch of whoremongerers. We just want some equal and fair attention and to stop being treated like we're pathetic, lowly and worth nothing (sound familiar?).

                        [–]Revel4ti0n 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        I am very surprised to read a Post like this. I don't want to know the number of suizides this subreddit prevented... Same as the Numbers of families saved... And so on. It's the only place in the entire internet where my soul gets happy and I feel understood and my feelings as a man are addressed in the wright place. Thanks to all great posts and discussions, and keep it up!

                        The part of reddit where they discuss seduction could be questioned, but that's an other topic.

                        [–]Wanz75 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        When you are the kind of guy who gets angry at a women for not wanting to have sex with you then you automatically become a problem in her life. It is a problem she has had to deal with since she was too young to handle it. You are an uninvited pest in her life. She can try to squash you, shoo you out the window, poison you etc... she has tried every solution in the past and it hasn't always gone well. You may be a good guy but, through your neediness, she had ceased to see you as a man and just resents you for being a pest. Fear is lock and laughter is the key.

                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        It's funny how the supposedly most accepting people are the least. My brother posted his profile to the bastion of tolerance and acceptance known as the OKC subreddit, asking for their advice on what to change.

                        He was immediately shamed by the women there for his height, one of whom was easily over 200lbs. He pointed out that while he couldn't change his height, she could easily change her weight, making her comments somewhat hypocritical.

                        He was immediately banned for "shaming" other users. His only real violation that differed from hers was having a penis. This shit is what created TRP and the reason we both started lurking here. I honestly find this place cathartic and can't wait to start posting once I've been here long enough.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorDoxasticPoo 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        And none of us found compassion, belonging, or empathy in the very system that gave us this shared experience.

                        Very important line here. As a man, you are alone. And that seems really scary... but at least we're all alone together. Once you get over that part, things get much easier.

                        [–]2IVIaskerade 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        As a man, you are alone.

                        This is more than just "lel no friends to help you". When a man is down, he is down alone, but when he succeeds, he is also alone. That is one of our greatests strengths - the fruits of our labour go to us, and we do with them as we see fit. Our hard-won victories are for nobody else to savour.

                        The task is harder, but the rewards are greater. I wouldn't have it any other way.

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                        [–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        Thank you.

                        [–]thepillwastaken 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        You are a good man, ButtPuppett.

                        [–]goemon45 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                        How is this place the most bigoted when places like r/greatapes exsist.

                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        It isn't a logical analysis. Don't read anything into the epithet that is used - loser, bigot, neckbeard, sexist, cultist. Because they all mean one thing: "bad". TRP is the worst in their eyes, and they'll use whatever word happens to bubble to the surface to describe it. They're hoping to find a label that sticks because TRP is a threat.

                        TRP is a threat because it is both effective and growing. Some overgrown kids posting pictures of fried chicken with a racist caption on a message board - not a threat. Lame dudes educating one another about how to put on the clothing of alpha males, about how not to get shunted into a provider role, about how to make changes in their real lives in the real world - very much a threat.

                        [–]gigahut 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                        To me TRP is like the newspaper. I read posts here when I get a few extra minutes during the day and try to apply it later. Usually it works, sometimes it doesn't. The most important thing to me here is learning what I can. The TRP community is collectively enlightening us on what type of behavior desirable in the world and more importantly what type of behaviors make you a target to be used and abused.

                        Thanks for your post.

                        [–]sluggy1616 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        The beauty of TRP is that the knowledge allows one to properly allocate their resources to get what they want out of life. It has facets that help guide a boy to a rich and fruitful life as a man.
                        Most boys/younger guys want to engage girls/women. The boys/men want to make the girls/woman happy. As a matter of logic, it would seem that treating a girl/woman well would earn their respect and get them to love you. TRP teaches men that this is NOT what makes women happy. Once a man realizes what makes a woman happy, he can cut to the chase and get it done and save himself a great amount of time and heartache. That's what TRP is to me. Gives you the truth and allows you as a man to allocate your time to things that really matter and will make you a better person.

                        [–]thenameisadam 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        Your points are valid, but they lead to the truth that The Red Pill is a community based around becoming cold and competitive. Whether you choose to consider the validity of that or not, you have to recognize the validity of a lot of people determining that your ideas are a net negative for society.

                        [–]Titan5000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        I hope this stays stickied forever - the drop ins/new subscribers need to read this before they even move onto the content/sidebar

                        [–]Porter_West 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                        The anonymous nature of Internet forums such as TRP makes it easy for people to cherry pick whatever information fits the desired stereotype a person or group of people want to lump everyone associated with that group into. Since we'll never really know that much about each other outside the material and discussion (true/honest or not) presented here, there's no way to back up anything in the 'real' world.

                        That said, for every little comment or tidbit that comes off as <insert negative adjective> or is taken out of context, I've found so much more useful, objective, and thought provoking information and ideas.

                        Although I've mainly been a lurker, I encourage people here, especially newbies, to think critically about what you find here. Afterall, isn't that why you (or many of us) are here? Because you are tired of taking everything at face value and wondering why your spoon-fed paradigms have been historically ineffective at helping find whatever it is you're looking for?

                        [–]2IVIaskerade 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                        It's not just the anonymous nature. In fact, truly anonymous boards are very difficult to cherry pick because you can't claim that something said on it is reflective of its overall stance without wider context.

                        On Reddit, popular users are commonly held to speak for the subs in which they are popular, even when this is not the case.

                        However, by far the biggest factor in these sorts of misquotations is context. When you see a screencap of an imgur post, you can't tell if it's serious, satire, or they were off their meds and drunk when they made it. It's not possible, so when the person showing you it says "look, X thinks Y is true!" the readers take them at their word.

                        Combine the erasure of context with the hyperbole and highly aggressive nature of man-to-man communication, and it doesn't look good when sat in a sterile vacuum, but in the context of the sub (and with a little knowledge of where the poster was coming from), suddenly not only is the post not as bad, it's making sense. - and that is what the denigrators cannot stand.

                        [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                        I love it when people who haven't looked at my profile or posting history try to get me "look at what the red pill has turned you into".

                        Bitch, I was one of the people who helped invent the red pill. I was posting this shit back before there was comment karma or subreddits.

                        And you know what? It got downvotes, but it didn't get downvoted to oblivion. Because the tinder was there, dry as a bone, and waiting for match. There were plenty of men tired of being shit on for following what everyone (starting with our parents) told us the rules were.

                        We are the evil you created, the monster you made.

                        Wanna cry about it, wring your hands, and wait for someone to rescue you? All the white-knights eventually turn into us when they realize that white knighting is good for damsels, but bad for white knights.

                        So good luck with that.

                        [–]MightyTaint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        I'm not going to deny that we have had trouble with sex. That is the common thread that brings us here. Using sexlessness to dismiss us is precisely the behavior that brought men here to begin with. We were sexless. Our views and perspectives, our so-called "bigotry" did not lead us to a sexless life so you can conveniently dismiss our views. Instead, our sexless lives lead us to adopt these views as a last ditch effort to reach sexual success. And most of us stayed here when we realized it was effective.

                        Speak for yourself. The red pill is just that, it's acceptance of the reality of men's role in society, and male/female dynamics. Regardless of whether or not the pill is bitter, that's what it is. A lot of people use the results to try to get sex. Ok. But that doesn't mean that's the point or what drove everyone here. Some people maybe, but that's tangential.

                        [–]Drenmar 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                        I really think those 'neckbeard virgin' insults are just a result of psychological projection. The average redditor probably isn't that far off the neckbeard virgin spectrum after all. They get 'triggered' (I hate that word) by us when we openly talk about these issues and then start projecting.

                        [–]animalpoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        Love the post, this reminds me of the point brought up in the book "how to win friends and influence people". The idea that everyone has a deep imbedded need to feel appreciated.

                        With the given environment this is increasingly hard. Appreciation comes from various categories in life; Sex, friends, family , career. No one wants to feel worthless.

                        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                        You know, as someone with "a foot in each world", so to speak, I find this post to be a very genuine, calm, and well-written summary of why people seek out TRP's help. Whatever the other members of Reddit think about TRP, if they read this I'm reasonably confident that they'd find it mostly agreeable (provided it was presented as not RP so no prejudice could make them dislike it from the get-go). All in all, this is just a quality post.

                        Good work, OP.

                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Notice how they (feminists) still use sex to try to control men?

                        The shaming technique is just a manipulation technique and when men stop buying into it we are better off

                        [–]thereddespair 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        Hey I get laid a lot and I am here? sexless virgin, oh god I wish I was lol.

                        You may get hated and burned here on reddit, but this is not where the real battles are fought, it is out there in the real world. You guys get laid and get what you want, they don't. It is easy for people to say anything and attack anybody online, but how many can in the real world? Cock sucking wankers, mostly.

                        Sex is a need which almost everybody has. And there are a lot of hypocrites who say oh its not that important, but really they just try to downplay it coz theyre either not getting a sufficient amount of it or none at all

                        I just say, go do what the fuck you want and take what you want in life. Who gives a shit if people hate you for it, either here online or out there. You win nothing by living by other peoples approval, unless youre the biggest ass kisser in the world.

                        [–]1FunAndFreedom 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                        The people who deride this subforum are people I feel sorry for. Their lives are full of hatred and anger hidden behind a thin facade of sarcasm. If you are curious, go to one of the subforums that call us "neckbeards" and click the post history of a few of the frequent posters.

                        I did, and in their post histories I found many of them were people who were significantly obese, or who were in extreme debt, or who were living life in squalor. In other words, people who don't matter to this world. I would advise you all to ignore their existence.

                        This isn't exclusive to TheRedPill. In another reddit forum a person told me that the streets should run red with my families blood for no reason besides the fact I was a landlord who had a few nice cars. There are people out there who are so concerned with tearing others down that they don't realize they are responsible for their own miserable lives. They are the loudest voices and there unfortunately is no reasoning with them.

                        Just like a plate who gets too clingy, NEXT those losers and focus on self improvement and people who matter.

                        [–]coffee_and_lumber 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                        Reminds me of observing political discussions on Facebook. I saw one recently that was full of absurdly incendiary, borderline racist comments about Obama. I went through and looked at some random profile pages and saw universally people living in tiny, anonymous rural areas, who were obese, haggard-looking, unsophisticated. 48 year old dishwashers and unemployed people, no college educations at all. No way these folks had ever left the country, and likely not even their own state. But somehow they had no problem forming all kinds of political opinions and ideas about foreign policy and screaming at everyone who felt differently from them.

                        I would not use that information or someone's Reddit post history actively against them, but it's telling to see that sort of thing. I'd say I've only seen that loud, angry, hostile behavior from people who are just not doing very well for themselves.

                        [–]1FunAndFreedom 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                        There is something to the vitriol of a persons argument that speaks to the class of the individual. When people are downright nasty, like what you experienced on Facebook or what we see from certain subforums, it strongly suggests their lives are a mess.

                        In short: when life is good, when money is good, when sex is good, it's hard to work up much anger over inconsequential things. It just rolls off your back.

                        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        This righteous fury I feel boiling in me while reading your excellent note.

                        We're not the sexless virgins. We're not the neckbeards.

                        We're fathers, firefighters, pilots, drivers, teachers, engineers, students, bankers, and entrepreneurs who are tall, skinny, fit, fat, good-looking, ugly, old, young, happy, angry, sad, depressed, and everything in between.

                        Reminds me of this excerpt from Fight Club, I don't think it's a coïncidence :

                        Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us.

                        We are Men. And we are taking back Manhood.

                        Stand Strong Brothers.

                        Also, we should remember something, here :

                        I have never met a truly strong person who didn't have self-respect. I think a lot of inwardly and outwardly directed contempt passes itself off as self-respect: the idea of raising yourself by stepping on someone's shoulders instead of doing it yourself. ... Muscle mass does not always equal strength. Strength is kindness and sensitivity. Strength is understanding that your power is both physical and emotional. That it comes from the body and the mind. And the heart.

                        From The Iron, Henry Rollins

                        [–]SpeedMetalPunker 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                        dI myself am here when as a borderline purplepiller started talking to a redpiller at a party, unknowing that he was a redpiller as I had heard of this subreddit and checked it from time to time, discussed sexual dyanmics and how women worked. And the more I read, the more I learned myself the nature of said dynamics, shit tests, SMV and RMV, the CC, and how much it's happened to me (shit tests) that this was the right place for me, and you guys (and now myself, the more and more I read) get it. As well as improving and working on myself and my views of the world and being aware of how things actually work, and I thank you all.

                        Edit: Cool, Gold! Thanks guy!

                        [–]cleftscout 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Edited for format and clarification and when I saw that a mod posted it.

                        I'm responding to how I understood this post, which I found worded strangely with a changing point being made. TRP was never about sex for me, even when I was purple pill, slightly above normal weight/build (shit) below normal height, I got more sex than I could handle and was much more often approached by girls than I approached them. After I broke up with an ex girlfriend I got after I decided to cool it with the multiple partners, I went 8 months not having any libido. I've never been in a relationship where I was the most common initiator of sex or the one that found it to be most important or pleasurable. Since I always had access to it, it's simply something that people do (Source: Every single persons biological parents.) and something that my parents always demonized.

                        TRP in my life has never been about sex at all. In my opinion, revolving anything around gaining sex is pathetic. TRP for me has always been about making oneself the best possible man one can be, which in turn makes one the best possible option for sex as a result of being better, not as a goal from the beginning. I feel like this post is about a small subset of TRP, and one that is from a very new poster/member Someone making blanket statements directed towards getting the attention of the subset it's about? There are far too many aspects of TRP not about sex for everyone here to have come because they had problems with getting sex, and there are plenty of places elsewhere for people to go that take much less work to obtain the sex they want.

                        If you need examples of reasons I use TRP, read the sidebar. I'm in it for the psychology and general knowledge that is displayed and because I just like the truth, whether it be good or bad for me. It has helped me get more sexual attention, but it has also changed solidified my views and respect for/about sex and women in a way that can bother a (in my opinion for myself) high quality LTR (at least in my age group of late teens-early twenties) who sees sex as something intimate between two partners. I had a difficult conversation about sex with my LTR and explained that I never saw it as something intimate after I turned 13 because it's just something so normal and prevalent not only in the hookup culture proliferated by almost all forms of media, but also because at its core, it's really not special. And she strongly disagreed.

                        TL;DR: TRP isn't about sex. It's about being the best possible you.

                        [–]cazzah123 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        Woman hate us because we are taking their power
                        Men in groups that involve woman hate us because they want to white knight the chicks
                        Men alone fucking love us

                        [–]MirthSpindle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        The core content here tends not to be bigoted, but from my experience, quite a good number of the commenters are. Probably because they joined simply because they want a place to vent the hate that they have built up in their life.

                        [–]GuruDev1000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        RPS is always such a fine, articulate and balanced writer. Beautiful post.

                        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        They say that we're wrong in our assessments, and then revoke our manhoods by commenting on our inability to get sex.

                        I would like to say that it's a strategy beta employs. When in competition with a male of higher value, they discredit him as a sexual being in order to win the female's attention. No need to remind anybody, even out of the sub, that betas are those who can't get laid.

                        So actually, by using this very argument, they are basically saying they are the ones that can't get laid.

                        [–]macsenscam 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                        The most bigoted? Have these people not seen r/fatpeoplehate?

                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        It's almost like the have an agenda to push behind a fig leaf of science. Or something.

                        [–]JablesRadio 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                        TRP hasn't helped me get laid or turned me into a scathing misogynist. In fact, the relationship between my girlfriend and I, one that's going on 2 years, is better than ever. She has told me on multiple occasions that assertiveness has played a big part in this. She also knows that some of that has come from /r/theredpill.

                        Anyone believing that TRP is a bunch of guys jacking it because they can't get laid should look in the mirror. At simple face value, TRP is way more than that, anyone thinking otherwise is willfully ignorant. Why take a couple of minutes to learn anything at all about a subject when you can just cry and moan and get it banned?

                        [–]cruyff8 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                        Even if everyone here is a "sexless, virgin, neckbeard", which is what your missive implies, isn't it better to have us mouth off online than actually bother women in our quest for orgasms all the time? That's what I don't get about people who want to ban any subreddit, be it trp or anything else.

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