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Red Pill ExampleHow To Talk To Everyone You See. (self.TheRedPill)

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The trick to starting random conversations is to simply let people in to your interior monologue.

I NEVER think in terms of "starting conversations," but if you hung out with me for a day you would say "wow, that guy starts conversations with everyone he sees!"

It is because I am not trying to start conversations. Rather, I am simply aware that I am a good person, and a smart and social guy – and therefore I am entitled to enlighten other people with a thought or two from my interior monologue.

When I see a person walking a dog that I think is cute, there is no thinking "should I say something to this person?" because I am already telling them that their dog is cute.

When I see an attractive woman in the bookstore, there is no questioning to myself whether or not I should talk to her, because by that time I am already telling her not to buy that Dave Eggers book because Dave Eggers is a terrible writer and she will not benefit from her purchase.

I think genuine self-knowledge and self-awareness goes a long way towards achieving this state of Omni-Talkativeness. When I looked deep inside myself and searched my motives, I was a little surprised by the fact that inside, I am a genuinely good person who genuinely wants the best for people.

Society implants moral self-doubt within us. Society teaches us that "evil lurks in the hearts of men." That's why I was surprised when I looked deep inside myself and found... no evil. No malice. Only a desire to do good.

Society has lied to you – it has lied to you about who other people are, and it has lied to you about who you are. Chances are that you hold a few negative beliefs about yourself. Maybe you secretly believe that you're "selfish," or "bad."

But look within. Seriously, look. Do you want to kill anyone? Do you want to hurt anyone? Do you want to make anyone cry?

No? Well, then you are definitely not a bad person.

Keep looking within. Do you have a desire to help your friends achieve their dreams and live dope lives? Do you have a desire to give sexual pleasure to women you are attracted to? Do you have a desire to become the best version of yourself, and to help your fellow man become the best version of himself?

If you answered "Yes" to these questions, then I've got news for you, motherfucker: You're a good person. Not only that, you are a fucking insanely good person. Most people never ask themselves these questions, so they spend their whole lives wondering if they are a good person or not. But if you go inside and ask yourself these questions, you just might realize that you know you are a good person. And once you've got that level of self-knowledge, no one can take it away from you.

If a person assumes I have ill intent, I am not upset: they are simply wrong. I do not have ill intent. Because I have looked inside myself and realized that actually I have only good intent.

With that knowledge embedded deep within my "frame," there is no part of me that "hesitates" before talking to someone. Since I know on the deepest level that I am a genuinely good guy who wants the best for people, there is no reason to even THINK of THE CONCEPT of asking myself if I should interact with someone – because by that time, I am already interacting.

When you have this kind of positive self-image on a moral level, talking to other people is the easiest shit ever. Your confidence is absolute, because you are simply aware that there are only two possible outcomes to each interaction, both of which are positive:

  • You have a fun chat and never talk to the person again.
  • You have a fun chat and wind up developing a relationship with the person and getting the opportunity to make their lives more awesome.

There is simply no negative scenario that can occur.

TBH bros, I think that talking about "avoiding approach anxiety" is completely missing the point. That's like trying to put a band-aid on top of a cancerous tumor (the tumor = the subconscious belief that you do not deserve to talk to people, which stems from the subconscious desire to TAKE something from people instead of GIVE them something).

You must travel deep inside yourself and flip an invisible switch.

You are a person who engages in interactions. The reason you are not "social" is this: In your interactions, you have been focused on how you can benefit from the interactions you engage in.

Here is the switch you must flip: To become "social," you must stop thinking in terms of taking and start thinking in terms of giving. You must start thinking in terms of how the other person can benefit from interacting with you. (Trust me, that's the only thing they're thinking about anyway. Once you're thinking about that too, then you're both on the same page.)

The only questions you should be asking yourself: What do I have to offer this person? What do I have to give? (Friendship? Good cheer? The D?) How can I make their lives more awesome?

When you meet women, often the answer to these questions is obvious: the most effective way you can make their lives more awesome is to give them the D that they thirst for so passionately. When you meet men, the answer is often less obvious – sometimes you can give them knowledge, sometimes you can teach them a skill, other times you can just give them the gift of a few light-hearted observations on whatever is happening.

For me, attaining the state of Omni-Talkativeness is a moral journey that is 100% internal.


[–][deleted] 302 points303 points  (22 children)

Very well said. I behave exactly the same as you although I was never able to put it into words like this. And this exactly is how RP "guides" should be written, not the shitty PUA "fake it til you make it".

Great stuff OP, keep it coming.

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (7 children)

I agree, best post I've seen here for a long while. To take your opinion a step further, I think that TRP has gotten caught up in a few clichés which we like to fall back to without really thinking of alternatives. With confidence, the default answer is "go lift." But really, talking to everyone you meet is going to do infinitely more for your confidence! Lifting is still very, very valuable, but it's advice like this which I think we need to keep in mind as well.

[–]DannyDemotta 38 points39 points  (6 children)

Lifting is good because it can help take your interactions to the next level. If you're talking to a woman you just met, lets face it, she probably wont be hanging onto your every word. If you give her something to look at when her gaze leaves yours - veiny arms, broad shoulders, clear skin, fresh haircut, etc, she'll size you up. If not? Who knows what she'll be looking at when she's not looking directly into your eyes.

I get swolested often by strangers, and i dont even wear stylish/form-fitting clothing.

"Go lift" is lazy advice but also very helpful.

[–]RocketManV 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Not to mention so many people out there are only interested in the physical. By lifting, which is a very easy thing to get started in, you're setting your SMV that high already. The moral game we are talking about is much more complex, a higher level of personal change than simply picking up some iron.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

moral game

Sick phrase bro! It is actually very accurate... tho if I were being anal I'd say Moral INNER Game

[–]DannyDemotta 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Depends on your upbringing, I suppose. I came from a disadvantaged background, yet was one of the smartest in my grade. But I relied on those "smarts" too much, and on my physique/fitness too little, to where i neglected my own physical health in favor of trying to win favor, praise, etc for my smarts. When it came time to pick women, I, naturally, went after ones I was the most mentally attracted too...Yeah, you read that right. Mentally attracted to.

Having said all that, its made a huge "inner" difference for me to be treated differently, not based on my "inner" game, but outer. Women don't know about your degrees, can't hear your celebrity impressions, can't be negged from 15 feet away in a loud, crowded gym. But they do stare. They do come post-up in front of me while I'm benching to do one-arm dumbbell rows with their ass facing me. 6 open benches, but they have to use that one, right? Never happened before when I was a skinny-fat dork wearing white t-shirts to the gym.

Confidence is good. Confirmation is better. "Trust, but Verify" as Reagan put it. (Though I do acknowledge that the parallels between verification and validation are a bit too close for comfort)

[–]RocketManV 3 points4 points  (2 children)

As in, lifting is a good launching point for getting and holding attention. This inner moral game, confidence per say, is a fine tuning of your personality and requires shifting how you think about yourself. This is often more difficult for people than throwing up some weight.

[–]DannyDemotta 1 point2 points  (1 child)

On 2nd thought, you're in the right here. I had the good fortune of being "smart" to go with my (formerly) poor physique, so I've always had some semblance of confidence. Some people don't have the physique or smarts, so it's really an uphill climb. I'll have to do a bit of a better job at not over-emphasizing weight-lifting, I think I've been a bit too overzealous.

[–]RocketManV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, not at all. Weight lifting is incredibly important. This is part of the reason why you see it suggested so often. Zealot away!

[–]sirjuicybooty 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Id say fake it until you make it is a good start. I have social anxiety like a mother fucker and always hated talking to people. But one day i decided I needed to work on it, so i started pretended to be interested in mundane conversations. Eventually I started to actually care and my anxiety has gotten way better, plus now my relationships have grown to the point where I actually care what people have to say.

[–]Jordainyo 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Perhaps it's better to call 'fake it till you make it' what it really is: practice.

[–]Freiling 0 points1 point  (0 children)

started to actually care

That's been the key for me. It matters to them, so it should matter to you if you have any empathy. Yeah, it's an old lady bitching about how they bagged her groceries, but empathy is a skill to train, just like casual conversatoin.

[–]rajesh8162 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This. Do not fake it. The world will call you out.

[–]kalstate 175 points176 points  (74 children)

Jesus fucking Christ this is solid gold for me. I won't dwell on it for long, but I wish to know why society has programed us to hate ourselves.

[–][deleted] 165 points166 points  (60 children)

The more self-doubt you implant in the minds of your subjects, the less likely they are to take your power away from you.

We all know that media programs peoples brains with BP messaging. In this post, I am pointing out that a core component of this BP messaging is moral self-doubt. I believe this may just be the CORE of the Blue Pill: the belief that men are not morally good people, so therefore you, as a man, are not morally good.

A big part of RP for me was leaving the false Blue Pill matrix of morality. However, since RP is amoral, morality is not a popular subject on here.

When I really and truly understood that I am actually morally good according to my personal, reality-based understanding of morality, I immediately became talkative as fuck.

When you TRULY KNOW that your sole priorities are:

  • becoming your best self
  • helping other people become their best selves

..then the VERY IDEA of doubting yourself becomes completely nonsensical.

[–]kalstate 42 points43 points  (43 children)

You, kind stranger, have given me all the wisdom I could ever hope for. You dangerously beautiful bastard---Thank you! I shall master this and pass the torch of wisdom to good people, until the day I die..

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (42 children)

:)

Just because RP is amoral does not mean that men with RP knowledge are amoral.

I have programming experience, so i am aware of how HTML works. This knowledge is not morally good or bad. It is just knowledge. My knowledge of HTML is amoral.

Similarly, I have sexual experience and RP knowledge, so I am aware of how the sexual marketplace works. This knowledge is not morally good or bad. It is just knowledge. And, like my knowledge of HTML, my knowledge of SMP dynamics is amoral.

However, I choose to do morally good things with my amoral knowledge. I do not use my amoral RP knowledge to break up marriages even though fucking married women is the easiest shit ever. I do not use my amoral HTML knowledge to create phishing schemes even though it would also be easy.

TRP and HTML are just information. Information is amoral. Its what you choose to do with that information that determines whether you are acting in accordance with your own personal ideas of right and wrong.

Ultimately, this post is only useful if it helps men make a positive moral self-assessment. Once men are equipped with the KNOWLEDGE – not just the belief – that they only want the best for themselves and others, the world is their oyster.

And the only way to acquire that knowledge is through introspection.

Introspection is not usually recommended to men who seek to increase their sociability. In this post I am suggesting that, while introspection is not the EASIEST or QUICKEST route to sociability, it is ultimately the MOST EFFECTIVE route.

[–]kalstate 7 points8 points  (38 children)

EDITED: Yes, I think I'm feeling your words as you intend them. I need to improve my communication skills at work and socially (because I have value, and I ought to share my valuable knowledge and kindness). I can see that it is essential for me to regain general self-acceptance and purge my belief in original sin. This will be a way to simultaneously achieve my goals and enhance the lives of those I encounter. I am 99.9% sure I get your intentions..much appreciated.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (35 children)

belief in original sin

Damn, that might be the ABSOLUTE CENTER of all the BP bullshit.

Godspeed my friend.

[–]longerdistance 12 points13 points  (29 children)

Have you read Alan Watts? because if you haven't it will blow you mind that you came to so many of the same conclusions. He might add some more very valuable knowledge to the impressive arsenal you have presented in your post already.

I'd also like to say that I find you post to be incredibly insightful. I never quite connected the dots on how your social behavior is a direct reflection of your view of yourself. It's should have been so obvious.

To add something, I think you might be on to something with original sin. It's just a meme, but a very useful one for a society because it creates so much self-doubt which can be used very effectively to instill a moral framework that benefits the society. It sucks for individuals, but it's probably part of what made our society so incredibly successful.

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    [–]longerdistance 7 points8 points  (20 children)

    I'm on a journey to evaporate my ego, so your post is very much at home in my ways of thinking right now. Incidentally I have been noticing that the way I approached TRP has been wrong. I simply replaced a BP ego with a "RP" ego which severely limits my potential. The correct approach is to let go of the ego altogether and confirm the knowledge that what TRP says is correct through experience.

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      [–]2emptyform 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      Seconding the Alan Watts rec. He blew my world apart several years ago and I still return to his books & lectures frequently.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      4 hours of fascinated clicking later...

      [–]laere 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Where do I start my alan watts journey?

      [–]ZombieMushroom420 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Its always really lovely to see Alan Watts mentioned in a thread. I'd never really thought about it, but he certainly has a lot to offer Red Pill men in particular.

      [–]Chlue 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Yes, I also recommend Alan Watts! What is your favourite video?

      [–]longerdistance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I must say that I haven't watched many of his videos. I've listened to his essential listening lectures though.

      I've never really thought to have a favorite, but his ideas on Zen and ego have had the most impact on my life so far.

      [–]DoctorsHateHim 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      I think you could really benefit from reading Atlas Shrugged some time, you are basically saying the exact same thing Ayn Rand is saying about original sin and people being conditioned to think that they are innately morally bad, which I don't think is true.

      [–]KizahdStenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It was hard for me to understand alot of what she was getting at, and why it was important, untill I found this information.

      [–]PMME_YOUR_TITS_WOMAN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I'm floored by that realization.

      Holy shit the concept of original sin is one of the most evil (or limiting, anyway) things humans have done to themselves.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I'm not buying this at all. It is difficult, but a superior perspective to be aware of and not playing into a thing.

      Otherwise, isn't there a cognitive dissonance between how how woman are plotting, testing, and fishing for justifications, and the apparently lighthearted teasing that actually works? The game is played on two levels. There are the cards face up on the table and the hidden cards, and the hidden cards dictate the value of the ones of the table. It is a strange game and we should not pretend that all guilt is bad or useless. Common memes stick around because there is a little itch in the collective understanding.

      To be RP and outright reject original sin as a completely dangerous and useless concept seems to parallel how a BPer might see RP.

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        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Thanks dude, I appreciate that. Can't post my paypal because the Thot Police will come and take all my hoes. But thank you.

        [–]Chrience 15 points16 points  (3 children)

        I've always believed that the moral self doubt in men came from the schools. You're taught to always obey the teachers above you, any questions or doubts about their orders are punished as 'Talking Back'. Then these beliefs start to form in your mind...

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Exactly.

        Given that the idea of morality permeates every part of culture, I believe that every single person makes a moral self-assessment, whether consciously or unconsciously... the idea of morality is simply too all-pervasive for people to not internalize. (Read this book for one explanation of how morality is integral to human consciousness.)

        In this post, I hope to explain a method that men can use to become conscious of the moral self-assessments they've already made. I also hope to provide them with a new moral framework to understand that their moral self-assessments are not necessarily accurate, especially if they were made unconsciously.

        [–]199639 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Also almost all teachers in my life were women or severe BP men, therefore the concept of the male gender as being morally corrupt and damaged was implicit gospel.

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        implicit gospel.

        UNBELIEVABLY poetic turn of phrase.

        BP men have internalized feminist shaming tactics so deeply that it is part of the frame around everything they say.

        [–]Goodyjoel 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        This is amazingly true. I used to work for a guy who would bitch at me for being self centered. Now I am working a career that is infinitely better than the one I was looking at working for him.

        [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

        That guy has clearly never read the works of Ivan Pavlov or Dale Carnegie. Negative reinforcement simply does not work.

        If the guy was smart and wanted to make money, he would have given you slightly-randomized rewards instead of systematic punishments.

        [–]Goodyjoel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        For all that guys fake wannabe alpha assholery, he taught me invaluable lessons on how to internalize self respect and ultimately dump religion as a crutch. This was what I learned not from being mentored by him, but by being the subject of a constant barrage of insults and constantly being told to turn to jesus.

        [–]occupythekitchen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        what you say is so true I make friendships easily and usually is by expressing my thought. I just met a lawyer the other day and the opening lune was so you were playing tennis today. he goes on and tells me about the tournament he's in talks about his job we talk about politics and finally religion. definitely the type of people I like to meet

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        The more self-doubt you implant in the minds of your subjects, the less likely they are to take your power away from you.

        I'm sure I read it here, but I remember reading that psychological manipulation is far more effective than physical manipulation. Everyone does it, if they want you to be someone that is conducive to their needs. People who are really nice to you and start asking you to do things seems harmless if you're a nice guy, but in reality they are royally fucking you in your mind.

        I fucking hate people sometimes man. I just want to respect everyone but there have been far too many times when I realize how low they can be.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        People are shitheads. The trick is to accept it, and love them anyway.

        Instead of being mad that they are such limited creatures, accept their limitations (mental, physical etc). Understand that they are only shitheads because they are ASLEEP. As a member of TRP, you are way more awake than they are. You are simply more aware of deeper forces, and more willing to accept and understand the implications of those forces.

        A wild shithead appears. Do you turn up your nose, run away, and get mad? Or do you accept their limitations and treat them with fond paternal affection?

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Apparently not that awake. I was only aware I was being used when I was told. Granted, it was in a work environment. Coworkers get swamped all the time and ask me to do it for them like it's my job. I say yes because I'm part of the team. But it's not a team at all. It's just a bunch of assholes looking out for themselves. I've always wondered why the office is in shambles, but I guess I know now.

        Oh well. Expectation is the mother of disappointment.

        [–]boredgod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Absolutely amazing shit. Like another poster below, I've been into religion for a long time, specifically Christian religion, and as much credit as some guys give Christianity for being red pill, it's not. Like any religion formed in an ancient human social system, it contains bits of everything. Not that I am against the religion, but I would recommend extreme caution with the concepts contained therein, especially with regard to Christianity, even including the more traditional varieties.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        When I really and truly understood that I am actually morally good according to my personal, reality-based understanding of morality, I immediately became talkative as fuck.

        This line speaks volumes, well said. Great post btw, you put a lot of 'things' into words much more clear than I have been able to do.

        [–]MrLelvis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        When I really and truly understood that I am actually morally good according to my personal, reality-based understanding of morality, I immediately became talkative as fuck.

        This has greatly enlightened me. Thank you.

        [–]theHangedGod 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        It keeps the hole inside you empty.

        It creates a good consumer, but a wounded person. It's what advertising and mainstream media has done to us and the generation before us. And most of us unknowingly pass that emptiness around to everyone we meet, perpetuating the consumer culture we live in.

        Instead of creating culture, we consume it. Terence McKenna talks about this a lot.

        [–]Urasquirrel 7 points8 points  (3 children)

        If you give constantly, some people can and will take advantage of you. There are a few loops and holes here but the gist of what this guy's is saying is that YOU FUCKING DESERVE to be social and the most effective way to start is by offering these tokens/words here and there even when you don't get anything initially.

        A friend of mine just moved here and he now owns his own business 40k with two employees, run completely by word of mouth. He spends 4 to 5 days a week out on yachts and fishing or at the club with clients who buy everything and introduce him to more.

        But it all started with a small bullshit conversation about some guys boat and how it needed to be tied up better and he was glad to do it for free. Took 20 mins.

        [–]kalstate 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        If you give constantly, some people can and will take advantage of you.

        Yep--I've experienced a shit ton of that. Thanks for the reminder. Now, to achieve balance (giving my value without it being taken).

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Yeah... I hope that the frame around my post is always to give on your terms, not theirs.. Otherwise you're being taken from.

        Always strive to be the causal agent in all your interactions.

        [–]longerdistance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Which is impossible to not be once you have complete vision of your inner workings. Someone tries to do something you don't want? Accepting won't even enter your mind once you've reached the state of complete self-awareness.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Perhaps in the past it was necessary, however we evolve and thankfully our thinking is evolving as well.

        [–]kalstate 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        This is subtle, but helpful for my inner peace. Truth is, we (or at least, I) don't know how the mythology came to be--but it might have been a necessary component of evolution or survival. I am ok with not knowing how or why. Either way, it's refreshing and energizing to unplug a bit more today..

        [–]longerdistance 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Yep, ideas are like genes (google meme). A society that contains a meme "original sin" will have an easy time instilling a useful moral code into its members, thereby out-competing a society that doesn't have this meme. It's exactly like evolution.

        [–]Stalin420 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        If ur selling shoes that "make you sexy" you better not let people know that they are already sexy

        [–]krakosia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Its cultural programming, its everywhere. The frames set around every action you take are always don't do this, don't do that or you are a bad person etc.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Any social animal requires a mechanism to keep the beta's desires in check in order to protect the Alpha's property from being spoiled. Body language is the number one beta identifier out there, so keeping the betas in ho check is the best manner of making them unapproachable.

        [–][deleted] 112 points113 points  (23 children)

        I'm going to devil's advocate this for the benefit of myself and possibly others like me: I'm a fucking asshole. I am selfish. I may not actively wish harm on people, but generally I want to get mine and otherwise be left the fuck alone. I hate children. I hate people. I despise women. I operate on a routine that consists of work, eat, lift, fuck, that doesn't include many people in it because people tend to expect things of you and create drama. I'm jovial and kind and have a quick wit when I do go out and I do well with women when I do engage but I don't include people in my "inner monologue" because quite frankly it would shock people. I'm not a "good" person. Not everyone is.

        [–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (10 children)

        To be honest, this is still an excellent comment. It is an excellent comment because you HAVE done the introspection that my post is recommending – but when you looked inside yourself, you found something different.

        The point is that you are STILL ENLIGHTENED because you have deep self-knowledge. Since you and I are different, we have different self-knowledge... But we both still have it.

        I am a good person. I know this. You are telling me that you are not a good person. To which I say: that is okay, because at least you know it.

        [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (7 children)

        I think that's fair. It's just important for people to know that it is possible to encounter, or be, the flip side of the same coin. Yin and yang and all that happy horse shit. I tend to take different approaches with it. You might save the girl from the Dave Eggers novel by saying he's not a good writer and don't waste your time. I'd be more prone to "You actually read that dogshit? Yeah, well, I guess you seem like the type." Your approach will certainly net more positive interaction, but I'll waste less time with small talk on girls I'm not going to fuck anyway.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

        Yep, look at my submission history for instance.

        If people knew my internal monologue they'd run the other way.

        [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        Luckily you subtlely hint at it with your name. Apt.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

        I feel if we ever met in person, we would get along very, very well.

        [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

        If we met in person, you'd never know any of my real views.

        [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

        That's the real shame. Being a man in America puts your life and career on the line these days. Speaking plainly in the land of the free can cost you everything.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        these days

        I would argue that this has always been true.

        The only thing that people cannot handle is the truth

        [–]rajesh8162 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Good and bad are dualities. Only people close to the truth know what good and bad mean.

        [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 18 points19 points  (0 children)

        The loveable rogueish misanthrope and the cheery good guy are like twins separated at birth, if you ask me. Both can "flip the switch" as OP called it, and give of themselves socially instead of cowering and hiding.

        The misanthrope's contribution is not one of a small relative value, either. They are quite each other's equal, those two - the misanthrope with his sardonic wit and gloom will reach the hearts of many who don't respond too well to the "good guy", due to lots of inner pain or mistrust. Give em' the misanthrope any day, they are in love with him and revel in that shared "misery", which is yet so true to life that the line between joy and suffering completely disappears. Only the intensity of it remains, and people's life gains momentum by it. One of the greatest gifts that can be given.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

        I seem to exist on a scale where I slide between this kind of misanthropy and what OP described. I found there comes a point where you already know exactly what people are going to say, how they're going to respond negatively to your well thought out plans and ideas, and even if you had the time to explain it to them they would never understand.

        You can either waste your time and get mad trying, let their bullshit get under your skin, or just shut them out completely, which basically leads to misanthropy. I think to slide to OP's end of the scale I either need to be fucked up or find a truly special soul, which does happen now and then. A charles Bukowski quote; sometimes I have to actively make sure I don't get stuck at that end.

        EDIT: I should probably add that in certain situations e.g. business etc. I can break out the Gervaisian baby-talk when I have something to gain by playing puppet master, but day to day people are just so fucking draining to me.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        That's pretty much how I was. Had to be drunk to tolerate people. I could hold inhuman amounts of alcohol. Would ride out, get tanked, fuck some slut, ride home. Then someone stole my bike and I developed epilepsy and can't drink anymore so now I just yell at people and fuck weird chicks that have a taste for my brand of bullshit.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        Ditto on the inhuman amounts of alcohol. I think the next stage of my development is probably going to involve learning to enjoy fucking with people. That way I'll be in master of puppets mode full time and won't have to drink so much. I'd love to hear more on your thoughts about this stuff.

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

        I miss drinking to be honest. It's easier to just get tanked, it let's me get over just how much people piss me off. It really is taxing to be angry all the time, fucking with people ends up being the best tertiary outlet to lifting and drinking. I enjoy rustling jimmies far too much. This whole Jenner thing has given me endless ammo. Just refusing to call him anything but Bruce is enough to make most people crazy. I tell them that if Bruce is a woman then I identify as an Inuit lesbian single mother and they have to address me as such because apparently facts and reality aren't the basis by which we decide these things anymore. Whatever gets peoples' engines going I just take it and run with it.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        That is hilarious. I'm still testing the waters with this. A lot of people on my facebook for example from uni are semi-sjw types so I'm not sure how bad sharing my views publicly could get for me.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        I'm open on FB, I just don't use my real name. May bite me someday. Only time will tell. My tag line there and in person is "fine, I'm an asshole, that has absolutely no bearing on the facts of the matter at hand." It completely takes the wind out of any attempted character assassination when you announce you have no intention of protecting your reputation at the expense of truth or argument. Forces them to actually address your points and most liberals and SJW's can't take a head-on debate because they run on feels.

        [–]longerdistance 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Shiva still creates value, he just does it by destroying the inferior so that the superior may take its place.

        You're good, your way is just different.

        [–]Poop999999999 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        No shit. Your on the red pill. No one here is.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        That's a matter of relativity and opinion. I was merely saying OP's post was a little too "feel good" and optimistically charged to be in sync with many peoples' reality. I agree, most people on here would not likely relate to his attitude or perspective. At least 100 others, apparently.

        [–]NeoreactionSafe 30 points31 points  (2 children)

        It's easier when you are giving because that signals authority.

        Men love down.

        Women charm and manipulate while looking up.

        If the other person responds negatively they break the No Charm, No Love rule and you don't continue.

        Love is always from above... the Beta has trouble imagining this truth and so he enters the situation in a needy condition.

        Always enter all conversations from above... but once the conversation progresses you must allow a give and take. Even in the Captain (60%) to Firstmate (40%) power relationship you are still giving away 40% of the control. Allow yourself to flow and listen carefully to what the other person says.

        Have a fun attitude.

        And I agree in the "internal dialogue" concept. Grab things that are on your mind and just bring others into your thinking.

        [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

        Thanks for blessing this thread with knowledge G.

        You are spot on. The key to sexual success is to enter interactions from above. The easiest way to do this is to begin each interaction with a value judgement.

        "Cute dog."

        "Whoa, careful, don't buy that Dave Eggers book – he sucks!"

        When you make a value judgement, you are positioning yourself as the arbiter, the decider, the judge of what is valuable and what is not. Making value judgements is perhaps the most Alpha/"above" thing you can do.

        Early PUAs grasped this intuitively, which is why they invented the concept of "negging" – passing negative value judgements on people you are interacting with to demonstrate your aboveness.

        However, negging is extremely unsubtle. It is a very effective alpha behavior, but it is simply not a behavior that is applicable to all contexts. Especially in initial interactions with women, negging can be like bringing a gun to a knife fight... Simple overkill.

        The alpha behavior that IS applicable in all contexts is passing value judgements, and these can be positive or negative.

        Even if I am COMPLIMENTING a woman, that compliment can still be alpha as fuck. Its all in the tone, delivery, and context:

        • if she thinks I am playing the beta/"below" role and trying to win brownie points with my compliment, she will think I am a beta.
        • ...but if she sees that actually I am placing myself FAR ABOVE her and playing the role of "ultimate arbiter of what is good and what is evil," then she will know I am alpha.

        Negging works great. It is a very effective form of value judgement. What I am saying is that making value judgements is INHERENTLY alpha, and negging is just one particularly effective example of this fact.

        For those interested in NLP, the key to passing value judgements is using lots of modal operators... Definitive words like "is" or "can." These words define the boundaries of your mental map, and they have the potential to signal the vastness and richness of your particular map

        [–]NeoreactionSafe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Another point...

        Always be sure to apply enough pressure to actually get a response.

        I was at the bar last night and I'd just got there and wasn't really into my full social mode yet and some girl was wearing a shirt with the name from where I grew up. I was very lazy about getting her attention and she either didn't sense my move or didn't want to register me.

        You pretty much need to dive in... you have to force the other to register your presence.

        Later that night it was fun. You have to warm up sometimes.

        [–]BramRhodesDouglas 20 points21 points  (5 children)

        Excellent. What really helped me talk to anyone, anywhere, about anything was to simply lighten up. Getting lost in your thoughts and trying to wax philosophical is just so darn boring. People are much more interested in enjoying their few short moments on this planet.

        I love the idea of giving value. The guy who wrote Conquer Your Campus would talk to everyone and just try to spread fun wherever he went. He called it "giving value" or "giving love." You're not out to leech value from other but to enhance and pour out value to others. This is much preferable to all parties involved. Plus the ladies have a sixth sense about them and they can instantly tell when you're a fun guy just trying to enjoy yourself or if you're a loser trying to benefit from others instead of just being cool and enjoying people's company.

        [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

        Absolutely.

        Every time I interact with someone, I am giving them a gift: a few precious moments of access to my interior monologue.

        I do not want anything from them. Rather, I want to to give them something. I want to give them my thoughts and feelings, because I am aware that my thoughts and feelings are valuable as fuck.

        When you are a man of value and you know it, all of a sudden you are morally entitled to share that value with anyone you encounter.

        [–]kalstate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        When you are a man of value and you know it, all of a sudden you are morally entitled to share that value with anyone you encounter.

        Yes, I've always felt this way, but I haven't talked with many people who understood my compulsion. So I felt like an alien, even though I did the work. Now, I will do the work with more joy and belief that I am doing what's right. Thanks again BurgundyCarpet!

        [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        you are morally entitled to share that value

        Fuck that noise. Helping others just because they need help is a path to beta servanthood. I know that's not what you mean here. But don't pretend your expression of value isn't serving you.

        DHV (Demonstrating High value) is a pickup technique that has fallen out of favor because women often interpret it as try-hard.

        Mix in IDGAF and you have a more potent formula. You get the high energy of DHV, with the outcome-independence of IDGAF. You create short, stimulating interactions and walk away, leaving them hungry for more.

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        [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

        Life is about more than slaying pussy you would never LTR with

        As an agnostic existentialist....is it though? My parents pester me all the time about getting married and giving them grandkids. I tell them to fuck off because my sister gave them three already. I don't want kids and I don't need a wife because I can get pussy when I want it and the moment I can't it's time to start thinking about increasing my risk-taking hobbies because what's the point anymore? I feel like I've found a mindset that's truly confounded the upper levels of Maslow's Hierarchy pyramid.

        [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Even if the feelings are transient, fucking a girl that you absolutely adore is the best thing I have ever experienced. There is something to be said for emotional intimacy.

        Maybe some people aren't capable of that. Too dark triad-y or something. But for those of us who can experience that, it's nearly life changing.

        Of course, it can also lead to pedestalization and all that Blue-Pill stuff if you don't have your head screwed on pretty tight... and I think a lot of people see this potential and immediately write it off.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        If the meaning of life has nothing to do with novelty and eureka moments, then I understand nothing at all. The question is about the depth and repetitiveness of that novelty. When something is fully searched out, it becomes boring. Some people make a point of trying to sustain the mystery, because they are powerless to seek out the truly novel.

        [–]-Quotidian 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        But look within. Seriously, look. Do you want to kill anyone? Do you want to hurt anyone? Do you want to make anyone cry?

        Not really, sometimes, and occasionally.

        Keep looking within. Do you have a desire to help your friends achieve their dreams and live dope lives? Do you have a desire to give sexual pleasure to women you are attracted to? Do you have a desire to become the best version of yourself, and to help your fellow man become the best version of himself?

        Always willing to help a friend--or we wouldn't be friends--and it depends on the dream. Definitely, definitely, and depends on the fellow man.

        I prefer morality, have great respect for discipline and control as virtues, and enjoy getting along with others. But all it takes for me to switch gears to a ruthless, amoral sociopath is for certain lines to be crossed. I can be fucking vicious, but "can be" and "am" are two very different things.

        You're right. We are not inherently evil--we are inherently amoral. To understand pain, we need to experience it. We can cause incredible suffering with innocent intentions when we are too young to understand, to relate to the experiences and emotions of others. That said, we are social animals. It's healthy to interact with others, and it's not right to be afraid of it. And the more you do it, the better you get at it. Great post, OP.

        [–]Diece 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        You're sorta on the right track.

        Most of the reason we have approach anxiety is because it is NOT normal to talk to people we don't know. That's strictly the way westerners are brought up, there's a stark difference from western beliefs and south america.

        Furthermore people that talk in their internal dialogue can be annoying as fuck. I've done a lot of work on whether talking more or talking less is better and talking less seems to work much better.

        The whole premise of giving value and taking, well that's completely subjective. What you may think is giving could be taking to another person. Furthermore, what we give for free is often not very valuable. What's the price of something if everyone can get it? Whats the demand of something readily available?

        I work with a guy that sort of displays this, he never talks and when he is asked something you get one word answers. You'd think people would ignore him but its quite the opposite effect. People try hard to get him to talk and if he says more than two words to you, you feel great. He told me good morning a few days ago and I was kind of shocked. If I had a conversation with him tomorrow I'd feed really special.

        Furthermore you will never learn from other people if you try to enlighten them with your knowledge. Let's say you're talking to a guy at a super market, you don't know but he's a CEO at a company you are interested in. You "enlighten" him with your knowledge or try to give him something and the CEO thinks you don't know what you're talking about. The whole point in talking to strangers is broaden your world view. You can't do this when you are always giving to people things they may not even want.

        I talk to people because I want to learn things from them and broaden my world view. I know who I am I don't need to tell others what I already know.

        I agree being a good person is paramount to improving as a person and talking to people is

        [–]LibertarianLibertine 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        This post goes far beyond mere trp principles

        [–]LibertarianLibertine 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        To be clear, i say that as a compliment

        [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        This is the type of post TRP has been missing in the past month or so. Good job, OP. I learned something valuable today.

        Props!

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Thanks homeslice, I appreciate u!

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        This shit is on the top of askreddit...

        Am I in some sort of redpill twilight zone?

        [–]jx234 8 points9 points  (3 children)

        I can understand this attitude if you're just taking the first metaphorical steps out of your basement, or if you're massively introverted, but not otherwise. I have a friend who talks to everyone he sees, even if its just a comment. Its one thing to have a don't give a fuck attitude, but you need to balance that with society's norms to a certain extent, or you're going to end up feeling great, but being alone. Rather than talking to everyone with the attitude that you can benefit them, why not be more selective and talk to those who you really can benefit. By all means work on yourself to maximise this pool of people. Talking to everyone often comes off as needy in and of itself, regardless of what you say. I envisage you being like this:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W34wyKZlWQ

        [–]IronMeltsinmyHands 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        ĵust let them in on your interior monologue.

        i like that. nice and succinct. sums up my own experience as well.

        [–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        The method I noticed I use is very similar. I always look at it as, "Don't aproach someone. Just invite them into whatever it is your doing". It makes for such a seamless transition, it's like you never even started.

        Standing in line at Starbucks, "Yeah, that lady needs to calm down. Her diabetes doesn't need another frap."
        At a bar, "You know, I can't decide if I want to over pay for a crappy beer, or crappy vodka."

        These sort of casual things will get them talking, and from there you just sort of go with the flow of conversation.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Yeah, exactly.

        I'm the only guy I know who doesn't believe in the false concept of gender equality... The UTTER IRONY is that I'm also the only guy I know who truly treats men and women equally in initial interactions.

        I never go out to try and meet women because I have never needed to. I meet them just living my lyfe.

        And when I meet them, I usually treat them exactly like I treat dudes. I keep it 100% platonic... Eventually they get confused when they realize I don't want to fuck them cuz I'm ABOVE THEM, then they suddenly thirst for my D

        When you treat a woman exactly like you treat a man (eg make it clear you DONT want to fuck them), pretty soon they start wanting you to fuck them.

        Life is hilarious, bros. I dunno why TRP is true but it just is. I know this because I see it every day

        [–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Haha, well, you should know why it is true by now.

        But yeah, it's a nuanced game though, but works out great, just so long as you keep some sort of sexual essence around. Else you just end up being too friendly.

        But I do the same. Call chicks "bro" "dude" whatever, and treat em as equals. This opens them up and sets you out as just not another thirsty dude.

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        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

        This is getting very philosophical... I ultimately disagree with you though.

        If a man is paralyzed like the dude in "the bell and the butterfly," I simply do not believe he is a morally bad person just because he is unable to do morally good things.

        Similarly, if a man starts a charity under the pretense of altruism but secretly to gain status in his community and meet high-status people, he does NOT live up to my personal definition of a morally good man because he is being dishonest... No matter what the positive effects of his actions are.

        If you define morality externally, based on actions, ultimately you are DEPENDENT on things you CANT CONTROL (eg the effects of your actions) in order to feel morally good and therefore good about yourself.

        If you define morality INTERNALLY, based on your true inner motivations and desires, then your positive self-image depends on no one but yourself.

        [–]1Mikesapien 6 points7 points  (5 children)

        We can get deep into moral philosophy here, but /u/PM_ME_YO_TITS_GURLS' point is essentially this - redefining morality to boost your "positive self-image" isn't moral, it's masturbatory.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

        Instead of labeling ideas as masturbatory and then rejecting them, why don't you simply explain your own? I'd be interested to hear them.

        P.s. you are rejecting a straw man because I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about

        [–]inteusx 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        That would be masturbatory!

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You must do the right thing for the right reason - the right way at the right time!

        It requires a working model of reality and the ability to execute based upon matching of observations with that reality.

        [–]RUSTY_LEMONADE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        This is why I think everyone should work in some sort of customer service job, at least once in their life. Being forced to interact with people will (big surprise) teach you how to interact with people. Wait tables, work a cash register, do volunteer work, do something that involves talking to person after person after person. You can try different attitudes and personas and see what works for you and them. You can tell the same joke 1000 times and get it better and better each time. You learn that people are just as inept at interaction as you think you are because they all think the same dumb shit as you. You can see the the way they mirror your and how you mirror others. Eventually, it becomes a reflex, not something that needs rehearsing, because you already did enough rehearsing at that cash register. People are thirsty for another mind to bounce thoughts and emotions off of. You can be that person, if only for a few seconds. If you don't have that gift of gab, learn it.

        [–]Temptationn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Thanks for this! This is me, I've had a habit since I was 8 to think of what to say before I talk. Sometimes I don't think of stuff to say and when I start talking, I start to stutter a bit then look like a dumbass. When someone ask me a question and I answer it to quick I usually mess up words and it really annoys me that I'm like this. It usually doesn't happen if I talk slow but I also have a habit of talking quick because I love to talk to people so when anyone approaches me I'm excited to talk but I probably come off as an idiot.

        but back on topic, I'm going to just talk before I even think of what to say like today I was delivering parts (work for napa delivering parts) this cute girl had pictures of the same dog I have hanging up and I was just planning on stuff to say but didn't say anything. I'm going to apply this and see how it goes, thanks!

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        [–]Half_Man_Half_Boar 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        I have tried this. People seem to be surprised almost every time but respond rather positevely. Especially younger people beacause they have seen it on TV.

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          [–]Half_Man_Half_Boar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I don't know about the rest of Eastern Europe but I've tried talking to Poles and Ukrainians. I'm from Poland myself. Of course it's easier in bigger cities like Warsaw or Cracow because of large numbers of foreign tourists so folks there are generally used to weirdness.

          [–]duckspeed 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          WTF. Couldn't read the whole post because it reads like a page out of the beta handbook. Trying to be good must be some kind of American psychosis.

          As for doing good; that is one of the professions which is full. Moreover I have tried it fairly and, strange as it may seem, am satisfied that it does not agree with my constitution. (Henry David Thoreau)

          If someone came up to me and called me "bad" I would thank him profusely.

          [–]103342 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I also stopped reading up to that point. I think it is kinda sad that this has so many upvotes.

          [–]KenuR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          To become "social," you must stop thinking in terms of taking and start thinking in terms of giving. You must start thinking in terms of how the other person can benefit from interacting with you. (Trust me, that's the only thing they're thinking about anyway. Once you're thinking about that too, then you're both on the same page.)

          That's all good and well, but the question I always have whenever I see this type of advice is how do you go about doing that?

          [–]NightGod 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          My kids constantly comment on the fact that I seem to make friends everywhere and that random people seem to want to talk to me all the time. This post is exactly why: I don't give non-committal grunts to cashiers or stare at the floor while I wait in line, I talk to people, I make comments that lead to further conversation. I enjoy life and other people react to that. It really is that simple.

          [–]LeFlamel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Great post. Although I disagree vehemently with the moralizing, getting over my introversion was just as you described, not thinking of it in terms of what does this person want to hear most but unblocking the damper on my stream of consciousness. For me projecting my inner monologue is a necessary way to process thoughts. Often I have a person in my life that I can always bounce ideas off of, which I find useful for fiction writing and philosophizing. But it's also a great way to show off your vibe and draw like-minded people to you.

          One time, standing in line for a city-hopping bus, I pretty much just commented to myself about hating being early but loving the first pick of seats, and a meh looking Asian chick turned around and got all chatty. She spilled her life story and "it's complicated" bf situation (guy had obvious oneitis for another girl and she cut herself off to make him choose) and I got to smash on public transport for the first time. feelzgudmang.jpg

          [–]KilluaKanmuru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This post inspires me to meditate more and more to get the core of my being; to increase my self-awareness. Thanks for crafting this gold.

          [–]notrustled 1 point2 points  (7 children)

          Probably this is gonna end up into oblivion, but here goes nothing anyways: I totally wanna feel like you do. Thing is, I made giant steps in self-development so far but this thing you mentioned is something I'm seriously struggling with. At the moment I can hardly imagine a life where I can talk to anyone without any effort...pretty ridiculous. Probably because it's mostly the first option (aka "You have a fun chat and never talk to the person again") so I barely have the drive to strike up anything nowadays. Maybe it's because the average person is interesting as a doorknob. Maybe I've got too high expectations and I'm actually like that doorknob. Maybe it's because I'm drunk and I don't even know what's going on. Whatever, you got my attention.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

          Hey man, I was in your position too once. I know how you can change.

          The key is to lift.

          "Cheerfulness is a surplus of strength" -Nietzche

          When you are not very strong, you do not want to have interactions that have no ROI. There is simply no reason to. It would be illogical.

          When you ARE strong, you become VERY down to have those interactions. Each individual relationship means less to you, because you have increased your ability to create new relationships. All of a sudden, having those net-zero little "fun chat" interactions becomes... fun.

          You are seeking "the drive to strike anything up." You do not want to strike anything up currently, because the reward just isn't worth the energy-investment. It makes sense and it is LOGICAL.

          What's NOT logical is the WAY YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO REMEDY YOUR PROBLEM.

          You are seeking an increased incentive to engage in interactions with strangers. Yet the incentive is not going to increase.

          What you actually need to do is reduce the cost of engaging in interactions with strangers. The way to do this is to lift. Become strong. Once you have more energy, each interaction will require only a miniscule amount of your total energy. All of a sudden, the cost/benefit analysis will change, and you will become "social."

          The key is to accept that the anti-social part of you is actually well-intentioned. That part of you is aiding your survival. You do not need to reject it. You need to honor it, and let it go. You do not need it any more.

          There is another part of you, an elemental part of you that you haven't been in touch with since you were a child. That part wants to be the strongest boy on the playground. To beat all the other kids in tag. To get strong so you can smash a bully's face in.

          Get in touch with that part. Do Stronglifts or Starting Strength. Become strong. When you are strong, the cost/benefit analysis of each interaction changes – suddenly, it seems weird NOT to talk to everyone.

          Stop trying to increase the dividends that you receive from interactions, and START trying to reduce the cost of having these interactions.

          Here's the tricky part... It is only AFTER you have reduced the costs of the interactions that you will begin to see higher dividends from your interactions, in the form of sloots swolesting you.

          Cheerfulness is a surplus of strength.

          In order to get what you want, you must cease wanting it. You must transfer that desire onto a BIGGER THING. You must want something more important. In the process of getting that bigger thing, you will obtain what you wanted initially... but by that time, it won't matter.

          What you want = sex.

          BIGGER THING that you SHOULD want = Strength.

          How you will obtain that strength = Liftin', brooooo

          [–]trphardmode 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I want to add one thing to this - after lifting, up your style game too. When the game engine of life recognizes you as the person in the room that looks the most like the main character, all of the dialogue options in life open up.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Hahaha, what an amazing mental framework dude. So true.

          [–]notrustled 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Wow, that was more thorough I expected. Thank you, I'm gonna use that.

          In order to get what you want, you must cease wanting it.

          Clear. Sometimes I got things I didn't want at all and I didn't get why it was like that (some of those were several years ago though). I realized it.

          swolesting

          And I also learned a new word.

          [–]kalstate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          After your original post, I went straight out and 'practiced' my new craft and purpose. I noticed that my inner dialogue was quieter than I originally expected. Am working through all the comments since then. Anyway,

          When you are not very strong, you do not want to have interactions that have no ROI. There is simply no reason to. It would be illogical.

          When you ARE strong, you become VERY down to have those interactions. Each individual relationship means less to you, because you have increased your ability to create new relationships. All of a sudden, having those net-zero little "fun chat" interactions becomes... fun.

          You are seeking "the drive to strike anything up." You do not want to strike anything up currently, because the reward just isn't worth the energy-investment. It makes sense and it is LOGICAL.

          More solid gold here--Thanks again. I will keep working on my strength, and hopefully the inner dialogue will emerge with increasing strength. This is the best thread I've ever encountered, and has fundamentally changed my thinking..

          [–]inteusx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Can you give me source on that Nietzsche quote?

          [–]Veles11 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          So.. tell yourself you're a good person.... and you will talk to everyone you meet?

          I'm not really following this ridiculous assumption. I know I'm a "good person", at least when looking at your criteria, but that has never helped me become more social then I am.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Lol bro, you are completely misinterpreting my post. If I had to sum it up..

          TL;DR OF THE ORIGINAL POST

          • think deeply about morality
          • define for yourself what constitutes a "good person"
          • become that person
          • allow your positive moral self-assessment to influence your social behavior

          In this post, I am NOT saying that my personal rubric is the correct one. I'm saying that THERE IS VALUE IN CREATING YOUR OWN.

          You misinterpreted my post so completely it boggles my mind

          [–]SociaIAnxiety 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          What if someone thinks you're an asshole but you don't?

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          all ive wanted to do in life socially was be a good person to everyone, see the best in people and lift them up along with me.

          now im on the autism spectrum, and social skills were always a problem through most of my school years. but surprisingly, last semester i was able to conversate much better with people in my class than a random student. yet most of the time i think too much about what im gonna say, or is the topic boring the person. still with strangers, the approach is like having your lips superglued when you go to talk.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Is this Owen cooks reddit account? Great post. Enjoyed. Interesting way of looking at it. Also, in the nights when you feel on fire and can talk to everyone, it's not an effort, it's more like no filter, which would fit with what you say.

          [–]Maletak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Good article that actually delivers content rather than all those 'self help' books that are promoted on the internet which are just waffle and space filler to look like it has meaty content to the buyer.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Damn, are you Mark Manson? I love this, sounds like his explanation of "True Confidence". Great post for both our veterans and fresh pill takers.

          [–]SwissPablo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Was having a drink with a few people recently and the one guy was like this. He would just say something to the ladies walking past and generally they'd react well (he was naturally good-looking). If he didn't have a gf I'm sure he'd have revved it up a abit and easily snagged one of the girls.

          [–]ex_astris_sci 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          There's a contradiction in your thought process. On one hand, you're saying that most of us are innately good persons (whose goals are to give pleasure or impart knowledge) but on the other hand you're convinced that what any person you interact with has in mind is how they can benefit from you (what you can give them). I don't know if these two parallel universes can actually merge.

          [–]yaycob15 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This post is golden, but I think that the reason OP thinks he is such a genuinely good person is because he lives his life in a genuinly good way, he does good things in his life that then makes his mind not second guess its self and hesitate to talking to anyone and he has natural confidence. You are what you do.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          ok heres my things tho. Im also aware that I'm smart, social and overall a good person. Therefore; I too, feel entitled to enlightened random people with a thought or 2 from my interior monologue. My issues lays in the fact that I am what you would consider to be a stoner. Sometimes when I'm retarded super high, I shut up.

          [–]1Mikesapien 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          This post reads like you put its constituent ingredients (philosophy, psychology, society, and self) into a blender to produce a sludge instead of a salad. OP, I'm sure you're well-intentioned, but this post is rambling nonsense.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Yung Word Salad reppin' TRP

          Watch out for my latest track... "Hypergamy necessitates the self to remove the supergo transversal to the Alpha Fucks" feat. Drake

          Shit gon be hot

          [–]DistantWinter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Not sure how to post a new one, but yeah.

          Thank you red pill for saving my life.

          Thank you my friends you were right.

          You were right.

          [–]ThoughtOverFear 3 points4 points  (4 children)

          Is everyone on this page self-hating, socially awkward and uncharismatic? I didn't know this is 4chan.

          Yes, leftism is cancerous. You simply shouldn't give a fuck. I thought this is obvious by now.

          "You must start thinking in terms of how the other person can benefit from interacting with you."

          That's a surefire way to become a psychopath. We have enough females of this kind, we don't need males to become like this too.

          [–]Meninismx 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          How exactly is that psychopathic?

          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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          [–]Booksarefun666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Follow your dreams, obviously.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This is what TheRedPill is all about. Congratulations OP, great feel-good empowering writing.

          [–]recon_johnny 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Again, with the fucking "one simple trick" bullshit?

          [–]Fender27 1 point2 points  (6 children)

          This sounds like it was written by a young teen.

          I'm sure many are thankful for the advice, but it definitely made me cringe.

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

          You are hating on my post without explaining why.

          I'm grateful that you took the time to write a comment. I would be interested to know exactly what part of my post you disagree with.

          [–]beachbloke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I more or less do this and it works well for me.

          [–]mojokabobo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I've rarely had problems speaking to people, but I really like your approach. I'll implement and integrate the idea with my own philosophy.

          Myself, I tend to view every single interaction with a new person as just that, totally fresh, they know nothing about me, so I can just let go of any pre-concieved limitations, and be whoever I want to be. No limits. Open.

          [–]QQ_L2P 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You must travel deep inside yourself and flip an invisible switch.

          Shit, dude! I think you just found the cure to cancer! Hah, look at those nerds in their labs sequencing things. Don't they know there's a light switch inside every person? Fools!

          On a level though, the demographic that struggles with this stuff are usually introverts who get up in their own head and over think things. Hyper-analysing every interaction, every reaction, every pause. Extroverts or those who are less burdened with the voice in their head or the less intelligent (yes, I do realise how arrogant that sounds) just don't think about it, have fun in the moment and enjoy the very simple process of sharing a moment. Something that a lot of us, for one reason or another, have overlooked. Can't see the forest for the trees, or something like that.

          [–]PMME_YOUR_TITS_WOMAN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Funny enough, askreddit right now has a post asking how to do this. I linked this post.

          [–]Betterthanuatlife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This society needs to be burned down and the ashes need to be salted. And maybe once we've done that we can start building a new society.

          [–]Fulp_Piction 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          "Good" people are still engaged in the social economics "bad" people are, they just barter for a different product. Good people are good because it makes them happy, or because they should be.

          Perhaps I'm different, but if you're bragging about being good then you don't have much to brag about. I don't mean you specifically OP, this is a good post, but some aspects of it encourage the beta behaviour we all seek to drown like a bag of kittens. Seeking to give woman sexual pleasure for no reason other than self validation is submissive, for example. You get yours, if she's lucky enough to be your fuck toy tonight, you should be behaving in such a way so that she knows how many options you have and that she has to please you to be kept around. There's no such thing as a free lunch, so if you're always 'giving', your getting nothing from it except validating your own existence, which for me is a slippery slope.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I love OP's post and I'd like to get someone's input on my thinking:

          I've been reading a lot about holding frame, alpha/beta traits and so on. I think about that almost all the time. Including when I talk to people. I always want to be on top in conversations (because this is so alpha and all that), so when I talk I'm not really in conversation, because in my head I'm always thinking about social dynamics and how I dont make a fool of myself or say something "beta".

          Which means I am not genuinely present in a conversation, which means I cant really connect with a person.

          How do I stop doing this?

          [–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          A lot of the 'hesitation' comes from Machiavellian impulses, like 'Should I really be sharing this thought with people'? The law that I always struggle with is 'Think as you like but behave like others'. Being that I read RP every day I have to be careful about the thoughts I share.

          [–]donit 0 points1 point  (6 children)

          Yes, a girl likes to experience you giving value judgements. But it seems like we should give her a reason for approaching because some of them are going to be thinking in their heads "Why is this weirdo walking up and telling me random facts that don't relate to me?". I've seen that look many times, and it makes you feel pretty stupid.

          So, I feel like we need something to introduce the frame to the girl, so she understands what is happening.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Great post sir. You always see the most social of butterflies always seem to be adding to people's lives not trying to gain something. They do it because they genuinely love to interact with people.

          [–]iamirishpat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          What if deep down there are parts of me that don't want to do good?

          I know, it sucks, and it's wrong. But I've done some pretty horrible things. I've stolen a lot of stuff. I've broken people's things. I've hurt people - physically and emotionally. If I don't have the confidence deep down that I'm a good person, how can I make this apply to me?

          PS: I'm changing. A lot of it had to do with my alcohol problems, which is getting taken care of. But it's still a problem for me.

          [–]Jokoran 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          tl;dr Turn off your filter

          [–]a_chill_bro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          This is zen master level frame. True self mastery. Best post I've read on here in a WHILE.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Never be ashamed of your masculine desires. We have been trained to think of our innate impulses as animalistic and evil. Society teaches us that by withholding we can attain the synthetic perfection of a domesticated man. If I will be labeled a chauvinistic, hedonistic animal for following the whims that I desire, then I accept that label.

          Benvolio was right. Men's eye were made to see so let them gaze. And should you desire to speak to a woman, the only authority you should consult as to whether you should do it or not is your desires. Whenever you transmit doubt in your actions, women see it as an illicit activity which should be rightfully sanctioned. When you do the same thing without a hint of guilt, you are transmitting that you deserve her attention, even if the girl has not realized it yet herself.

          Walk up with complete confidence in the righteousness of your desires, otherwise you are screwing yourself before you even start.

          [–]voldy123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          How could you take this advice to talking to bigger crowds? instead of just one-to-one interactions

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It sounds perfect but for someone inexperienced it could be a slipery slope to the friendzone. You give something valuable but you expect something in return and if you're not satisfied you need to stop giving like that guy who drives that girl all the time but she just keeps blowing him off.

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          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

          Only because he is perhaps the most faggoty beta male in the tiny Beta Fiefdom that is the world of literature, and also because his writing is even less effective than Rachel Dolezal's conscience

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            [–]nubswag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Reminds me of Tyler Rsd and higher consciousness. Great post!

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Thing is, whenever I say something I either get ignored, or get judged.

            Sometimes I'd say ridiculous shit cuz I find it self-amusing, and the girl would look at me like "what a creep" look. :(

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