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Red Pill TheoryThree ways to consciously manipulate women before they subconsciously manipulate you. (self.TheRedPill)

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The universe created two types of men--alphas and betas--to serve the purposes of the species: Alphas to lead and impregnate and betas to follow and serve. Some science suggests that in ancient times only 1 out of every 16 men successfully reproduced. Although more betas than this reproduce in modern times due to social order and the institution of marriage, I nevertheless suspect that the 1-in-16 ratio is useful in illustrating a plausible proportion between the two male types today.

Assuming some degree of historical constancy with respect to the above dynamic I see two lessons to take from it: 1. If you're an alpha--sex with dozens of women is a likely predictor of this, if not a definition--you're probably in the slim minority (good job). And 2. If you're a beta, you may have your work cut out for you seeing as alphas are only the top 6 percent of men.

TRP can serve both groups by providing the information necessary for betas to mimic and perhaps eventually become alphas and for alphas to maximize and streamline their strengths to squeeze the most value out of the sexual marketplace.

As a rule it is the nature of women to use men for protection, resources, and, in the case of her interaction with alpha-males, reproduction. This is due in large part to their physical vulnerabilities. Manipulation is an imperfect word to use to describe this mechanism because it presupposes a degree of maliciousness or intentional deception but it's useful in that it reminds us of how tricky women instinctively are with respect to the value they advertise versus what they provide in an interaction pattern not deliberately calibrated by a more-manipulative, intelligent, and self-interested male. Arthur Schopenhauer described the innate modus operandi of women in these words:

With girls, Nature has had in view what is called in a dramatic sense a “striking effect,” for she endows them for a few years with a richness of beauty and a, fullness of charm at the expense of the rest of their lives; so that they may during these years ensnare the fantasy of a man to such a degree as to make him rush into taking the honorable care of them, in some kind of form, for a lifetime—a step which would not seem sufficiently justified if he only considered the matter.

Because women are more dependent on men for survival than visa versa, they have collectively developed a compensatory characteristic which allows them to extract value from beta males in ways that are not mutually beneficial. This is manifest in an automatic and brilliant instinct for interpersonal negotiation where she will constantly test the nature of the relationship in the hopes of extracting more value from a man while reducing the value she must provide to him. The classic example of this is the cheating housewife that—if we're all honest—don't blame once we see how beta the husband is (and because sexual strategy is amoral anyway). Women in this respect are instinctively significantly better at sexual strategy than men are. Therefore, we need our own compensatory characteristic: this subreddit.

Much chatter in the manosphere regarding the unpleasant nature of women is only accurate when describing the interaction patterns of women with men who haven't learned female nature and how to consciously manipulate it so as to tip the balance of power in his favor. To quote from a second and superior German philosopher:

The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.

Dangerous playthings require skills to enjoy without getting cut or burned. Let's discuss a couple of them here.

1. Develop and/or mimic a sex-satisfied, not a sex-desiring, mental disposition.

Women don't consciously agree with this but their psychological firmware nevertheless insists on being attracted to men who are already getting laid. This is a very primal form of pre-selection as her mind conducts this subconscious logical syllogism: "I don't know whether this man is fit for reproduction but the fact that there are signs that he may be already getting laid (he's not desperate, he's barely trying, he's already happy and cheerful) would suggest that other women have already made the assessment that he is."

There are two differing and mutually compatible ways of cultivating this sex-satisfied state (abundance mentality). One is to actually induce it by having sex with women regularly, going as low on the SMV totem pole as is needed to get laid. The other is to mimic it by artificially altering your behavior and demeanor to match the patterns of someone who is getting laid. There is no shame in this: Just avoid like the plague any behavior that she could identify as needy, desperate, or sexually frustrated. This requires you to constantly watch yourself, which is exhausting, so I don't recommend adopting this 2nd technique exclusively.

Heartiste illustrated this point well when he said (paraphrased) "When you don't know what to say to a woman, imagine that you're already lying in bed with two of them."

There is a lot to be gained by haggling your way down in the sexual marketplace just so you can be getting laid regularly. I am open to the idea that other male personality types might prefer to not have sex at all than to have sex with a low-SMV female but I would argue that that preference is born of low testosterone or an over-reliance on masturbation and pornography. There appear to be two camps in TRP. One says "fuck women" and the other says "fuck women." I am of the latter.

2. Treat her as if she was born to serve you.

The most attractive combination of psychological traits in a man are narcissism and happiness. The latter has some overlap with our discussion about sex-satiety but the former is separate.

Narcissism for our purposes here is delusional self-confidence and reckless self-interest. It's the characteristic of a man who has massive double-standards regarding himself versus the women he dates, and he knows it, and he laughs when he's called out on it.

Developing a specific, strategically deployable form of narcissism with respect to the opposite sex is tricky and every man will integrate this property into their existing social personality differently, but one trick I've found useful is to use a sort of affirmation or article of faith to undo and rewire the beta programming that the mind uses when interacting with women. An anonymous comment in the manosphere once described it this way: "Act like you are the star of the #1 reality show of all time: cameras following you around and millions watching it because you are so damn interesting."

In short, brainwash yourself into believing that you're a god. Eventually you may learn that this lie is actually true.

Learned-narcissism mirrors pre-selection closely. In pre-selection a woman doesn't have enough information to know whether you are fit for reproduction so she uses the judgments of other women to make that evaluation. With narcissism and delusional self-confidence, a woman doesn't have enough information to know whether you are fit for reproduction so she uses the judgment that you have made about yourself to make that evaluation. I assume it goes without saying that a woman isn't consciously considering you as a reproductive mate when she's discovering whether she wants to fuck you. This is all subconscious psychological phenomena that she herself has no direct awareness of. All she consciously experiences is a desire to fuck you.

While betas exist to serve women, women exist to serve alphas. Sometimes this dynamic is subtle; othertimes women will explicitly enjoy being or feeling used up by their alpha male partners. Treat her a little bit like she exists to serve you to establish the desired alpha-to-female relationship pattern.

3. Ignore anything and everything she says that you would have preferred she didn't say.

The most efficient and benevolent method of extracting the desired value out of the interactions you have with females is to punish and reward her by giving and withdrawing your attention. Counter-intuitively, ignoring a woman when she acts or speaks in an undesired way is more effective in disincentivizing than is confronting her verbally or even using physical violence. This is because ignoring a woman communicates a greater readiness to withdraw from her permanently. This demonstrates value and instills insecurity in her; whereas verbal confrontation communicates to her that she is his only option and that he's more inclined to try to control her than he is to merely gravitate away from negativity and undesired behavior and in the direction of other females from whom he knows he can procure a preferable relationship.

If a girl you're interacting with asks an unwanted question or makes an unwanted statement, flatly ignore it. I'm not suggesting that you fold your arms like a frustrated kid and give her the silent treatment. I am suggesting that you literally act exactly as if she had not said it at all. This is frame-reaffirmation. It's the most effective and efficient way of dealing with her bullshit and is especially preferable to verbal confrontation if either of you are prone to the slippy slope of escalating negative emotions.

There is a recurring and compelling sentiment here that the sexual marketplace is a zero-sum game. I believe this is only the case when men fail to learn how to calibrate male-female interaction patterns to satisfy the self-interested nature of the male and the alpha-pleasing instincts of the female—instead of the self-interested nature of the female and the female-pleasing instincts of the male.


[–]IntrovertSigma 256 points257 points  (51 children)

From what I've seen and experienced hooking up for the sake of it affects people differently.

Some guys feel good about having sex no matter the quality of the girl. For others it can be detrimental.

I'm definitely in the latter camp. When I was younger I sometimes hooked up because I could rather than because I really wanted to. I don't know if it gave me the aura of a guy who gets laid more, but it made me feel bad about myself.

As someone else mentioned, these days I also have a busier life and there are many more things that I could be doing with my time.

I don't think that makes me a better person. I think it really just depends on the individual.

[–]THEDICKDEALER 182 points183 points  (44 children)

I get the same feeling. I've bedded over 20 women 35% of them have been ugly and low value. My stomach turns when I think of them.

[–]sweetmagwheels 80 points81 points  (0 children)

Everyone who has had several sexual partners regret some of them, even if none of them were ugly. But its not just about sexual interactions, its all actions in life.

Sometimes you have to accept that the choices you justified at that moment maybe wasnt that good, but you either learn from it and avoid the same mistakes in the future or learn to accept that not all choices we make are good ones. Its human to make mistakes, i myself have a habit of sleeping with crazy...

[–]1PantsonFire1234 28 points29 points  (3 children)

I'm split on this. When I was younger and my SMV was lower I fucked some low value chicks but i'm not digusted by it. Now that I get genuine hotties I cant ever go back though. Perhaps its just subconscious thing where your brain tries to keep you from punching bellow your weight. Should I fuck the same girls now I would be mortified I think.

[–]WalterEArmstrong 25 points26 points  (2 children)

I'm securely in the camp of men who're picky about what they're stick'n their dicks into. I know there are men out there with absolutely NO PRIDE whatsoever and will prong any obese, homely and stinky bitch that comes along. Shit, I'd go join a monastery first and I'm an atheist!

[–]1PantsonFire1234 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Well I don't think that's the argument here. There are girls who are just a Plain Jane 5 and no high smv man would want to fuck. But you could if you wanted to. I'm not talking about obese, curvy at best. Or a face that's not the prettiest but not hideous ether, like you can't point out the ugliness but she ain't good looking. When I was a teenager I started with 5's and looking back honestly I don't mind it. But I wouldn't do them nowadays. Even a couple years ago I was still fine with a 6's and now I didn't want to bang the same girl I did back then when I was offered.

So my guess is that it's naturally a SMV thing. You would fuck down but only by 2 points.

[–]imn0tg00d 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This man gets it. Lower your standards only as low as you have to, not further.

[–]yomo86 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I concur. Having intercourse with uglies is only good either to get the big V-question out of the way or to end a lasting dry spell. Otherwise you will resent yourself.

Sex is like food to a man.

To eat rotten food to stop yourself from starving is one thing, eating it for eating's sake or pleasure is ludicrous perversion.

[–]imn0tg00d 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Those are rookie numbers! Gotta pump those numbers up! Once you hit 100 you will only remember the good ones.

[–]-uftw- 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Personally I write them down so I don't forget, even the bad ones. I know that's stupid.

Anyway, for me I'll regret a hot bitch before I do a more plain chick that was a lot of fun. I've never fucked a true war-pig though (at least in my book) so I couldn't tell whether that'd bring me down or not.

There's something to say about fucking chicks that are close to your personal grail though. I've had a few of those and I still can't believe it sometimes, it's made me a much happier person in general.

[–]imn0tg00d 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I tried to put it down on paper when i was at 40 or so, but that was when i was a kid (around 23 years old). Today that would be an impossible task, I might be able to name all the ones for this year though.

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    [–]THEDICKDEALER 8 points9 points  (4 children)

    -_- I can't afford to put time into women at the moment. I transmute my sexual energy into pursing a masters,doing ju jitsu,working full time and launching a clothing line.

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      [–]THEDICKDEALER 19 points20 points  (2 children)

      So it's blue pill to focus on my mission more than vagina? Wow

      [–]simplisticallysimple 27 points28 points  (0 children)

      I have slept with both attractive and unattractive women. I realized that doing the latter caused me to have low self-esteem. My bodily instincts would be screaming at me to stop, and after that I felt thoroughly traumatized and wanted to erase the memory from my head.

      Don't fuck uglies or fatties.

      [–]CQC3 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      It does depend on the individual. I wouldn't want to fuck any girl I wasn't comfortable other people knew I fucked her. Simple as that.

      It's not so much about the opinions of others as it is that it's not enjoyable to me and it will hurt my rep a bit. You don't want to be known as a guy that fucks fatties or uggos. If women see that you only bang attractive or at least decently cute girls, then it helps them along in getting with you if they feel it will prove them to be just as much if not more attractive than those women.

      [–]Olga_Schmutzer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      It's not so much about the opinions of others as it is that it's not enjoyable to me and it will hurt my rep a bit. You don't want to be known as a guy that fucks fatties or uggos.

      It's not about the opinion of others, but it hurts your rep and you don't want to be known as 'that guy'? TRP is about getting rid of your ego and not fooling yourself.

      [–]CQC3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      You misunderstand.

      It's not enjoyable to me, but it is also further detrimental to my public image which will in familiar circles slightly hurt my chances with more attractive women--thus, causing me undue suffering.

      It's not that I want to do it but don't because of others, it is that I don't want to AND it's also working against me if we consider what others think.

      Not caring what others think does not mean being oblivious to how their thoughts affect you.

      Also, TRP is not about "getting rid of your ego". TRP is about sexual strategy, nothing more or less. You could even argue that becoming more narcissistic and egotistical might even help your game with women (not to be confused with being a "better" person). Even Buddhism and meditation are not about getting rid of your ego, merely noticing it.

      You take the info and decide how you want to live your life, some guys just want to know the game so they can avoid the landmines and live according to their standards.

      Others just wanna fuck at all costs, even if it means being deplorable.

      [–]brinkleybuzz 118 points119 points  (1 child)

      TL;DR

      1. Don't be thirsty.
      2. Be dominant and self confident.
      3. Maintain an unshakeable frame.

      Spot on.

      [–]EverythingIsFalse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      If you cant handle someone saying something you don't like then you're pretty shakeable

      [–][deleted] 116 points117 points  (5 children)

      3 is important with virtually all females. These females say the most illogical things, complain/whine about everything, and make their problems into your problems....overanalyzing and thinking about what they said/meant can drive you crazy. Accepting you can be happy with her, or happy without her, gives you some self-comfort which makes ignoring all the bs easier.

      [–]I_AM_CALAMITY 97 points98 points  (1 child)

      What made your comment so special that it needed to take up my entire screen?

      [–]Fulp_Piction 23 points24 points  (0 children)

      Dark Triad bro, gotta get that Narcissism.

      [–]weroafable 36 points37 points  (1 child)

      Agree, overanalyzing kills your game.

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      The balance between analysing her words and your amused mastery is calibrated only by your level of intellectual interest in what she is saying.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 102 points103 points  (1 child)

      One says "fuck women" and the other says "fuck women."

      Ha!

      Also, good post on a solid evo psych foundation.

      And I appreciate your terse style.

      [–][deleted] 315 points316 points  (15 children)

      The best post here in weeks.

      Kudos, bud.

      Succinct and insightful.

      [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

      3 is a huge breakthrough for me. I needed this post ages ago

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            [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

            Automod will remove things if they get enough reports.

            TRP has a lot of enemies since it opens the eyes of betas too well.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 22 points23 points  (6 children)

            Almost certainly the automoderator. Remember Hanlon's Razor before attributing malice. If you see a good post disappear, messaging the moderators might fix it, but whining in the thread only makes you look bad.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 66 points67 points  (18 children)

            One thing I learned from attracting personality disordered girls is that in order to understand how they manipulate you you have to be able to put yourself in their shoes. It's one big sperg filter. If you can't understand your enemy then you are doomed to lose.

            OP outlines some great general rules to ensure you are always playing a winning hand but there are tons more. I found that the most manipulative girls look to find what you want from them and then use it against you. The moment they have you in control is when they lose interest, the chase is over. So it's always important to not reveal what you want and better yet, never want anything tangible. This could be anything, sex, validation, wanting for her to remain innocent, wanting to be respected.

            Other small tricks follow the basic principle where they will test if you put up with no sex, no flirtation a.k.a. friend zone. They will contentiously bait you into talking more than they are to see if they got you invested a.k.a golden ratio. And these manipulations and tests are so subtle sometimes that you can't swathe them all away consciously.

            Which is why I always try to keep true to the following points

            • Never care about the outcome, good or bad
            • Assume she's attracted and assume things will go your way
            • Maintain 2/3 golden ratio
            • Enjoy the interaction no matter her emotional state
            • Mercilessly fuck with her head

            When I find equilibrium with these five points I find that things just magically work out with girls. They automatically respond the way I would like them to and I pass shit tests by default. When things go really well I find the rare moments where I indulge myself into actually caring for her or liking her. But apart from that this is the way to go.

            [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

            pass shit tests by default

            Yes. Your 5 points are good and if implemented well will often put an end to shit-tests permanently with a given girl. Then you have the desired alpha-to-submissive-female relationship.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            I wonder if they ever go away permanently with the types I end up with. But exactly as you stated you want to reinforce the alpha-to-submissive relationship and only then did you achieve something with the girl. Before that it's all progress.

            The first point is the most difficult to maintain for me and sometimes the second. I rarely if ever lose a girls attraction but I do have allot of fights so we aren't on common ground at all times. Generally the last three points are easy to maintain and every TRP guy could benefit from those.

            Still i'm not sure if the alpha-to-submissive relationship is continuous or temporarily. Once you're in it it's easy, when you lost frame it's near impossible. But so many things can go wrong inbetween these two outcomes.

            [–]weroafable 0 points1 point  (7 children)

            What do you mean with 2/3 golden ratio?

            [–]noradd1 20 points21 points  (0 children)

            always give 2/3s back. She gives you three compliments? Give her two. She sends you a long paragraph over text, respond with something 2/3rds as long. This subtly establishes your dominance. You don't want to be giving in any way more than she is or even equal to her because woman are hypergamous and want to believe you are a higher status than them.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 9 points10 points  (4 children)

            Be it messages, sentences, affection or general interest. Whatever a girl gives you, you make sure you give 66% of that. Most guys overtext or even show it in subtle ways. They might text the same but use more words. They might talk slightly more than the girl face to face. All of these things subconsciously tell her the guy is more invested and she can relax. And that's a bad thing.

            [–]mugatucrazypills 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            This is a lesson learned the hard and slow way for me.

            Your instinct is to be "Mr Fix it" when she comes screaming with a problem. Your instinct is wrong. It will turn you into "Mr Tampon" faster than you can shake your stick.

            What you want to be is "Mr. I can HANDLE it." WHATEVER the situation is, whether you WILL handle it for HER depends on what value she will bring to you and IF you feel like it.

            To be True Alpha(tm) you must be the prize. The prize does not chase. You can barter for pussy lower down on the food chain with Mr. Scuba fish at the bottom of the tank, but realize what it is.

            lots of girls are experts in having problems, two paticular red flags are women with financial problems and women with academic problems, these are never worth the time and are indicative of an inability to self manage which while whimsical and cute in the short term, are a nightmare in the long run. She doesn't need to be a rockeffeller or female einstein, but she need to be able to cope with life well. You should be the one watching for fitness indicators more than her.

            ultimately the former 2 problems will very often tend to lead to women with long term health and weight problems as the lack of care and self managment extends to self

            almost all men who've been sexual in their lives have a "ghost of pussy" pass, as Chris Rock jokes

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Mr Fix it

            Good point, men have the instinct to fix shit. But women are an enigma, they can't be fixed. Don't bother.

            lots of girls are experts in having problems, two paticular red flags are women with financial problems and women with academic problems,

            They will present you with their problems to trigger your superman complex. It's manipulation. Also it's hilarious when women try to talk about academic or financial problems. Since they get the most free hand outs and academia is completely tailored to female success. Go figure why that is.

            almost all men who've been sexual in their lives have a "ghost of pussy" pass, as Chris Rock jokes

            Never heard of that reference, care to elaborate?

            [–]Mescuzzi 115 points116 points  (2 children)

            I don't understand why there is so many downvotes on this post. This post is a home-run. There must be too many "nice guys" around here down-voting because of the "manipulation" topic. To those of you who disagree with manipulation, just remember this: "The Game will be played whether you choose to participate or not"

            If you've come here, there is an EXTREMELY high probability that you did so because at some point in your life you were (or still are) being manipulated. Don't play the fool.

            [–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

            Those who disagree with manipulation are the same type of guy who would say "I'd never cheat on my gf in a million years!" Bro, that doesn't mean shit because no other girls want to fuck you. You literally don't even have the option to cheat.

            It's the guys on their moral high ground who don't understand that everyone is manipulating everyone else in EVERY SINGLE SOCIAL INTERACTION EVER.

            Those who don't realize that, are the ones getting manipulated daily.

            [–]AGameofTrolls 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            Yup, just now I'm being manipulated in a very shameful way. I've read a lot of advice on this awesome sub reddit, but it's so hard for me to put into practice. I've decided to cut my loses and ties with this girl and hopefully I'll be able to learn from my own fuck ups and avoid getting friend zoned yet again. Will I ever escape this beta mentality that has me trapped in this horrible cycle of rejection? Will keep you posted....

            [–]ironjohnred 26 points27 points  (0 children)

            Well said. You are the prize. So act like it!

            [–]xenigala 38 points39 points  (8 children)

            Ignoring behaviors that you don't like and responding warmly to behaviors you want to encourage is a powerful tech for shaping others. Much better than outwardly criticizing and controlling them.

            But if you "flatly ignore" uncomfortable direct questions from a someone, all the while thinking to yourself "yeah, I'm a narcissist!" and fantasizing about being the star of a reality tv-show, yeah, that is not going to go well.

            [–]un-supervised-savage 6 points7 points  (7 children)

            You're missing the point of that analogy.

            [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (6 children)

            The thing about advanced rp advice or explaining behaviour, is it almost takes a well learned or practiced alpha to fully understand the advice from other experienced alphas. In my mind, ignoring a girl mid conversation is done with subtle eye roll as I lean back in my chair and scan around the room for something more amusing to get in to. Or, a subtle single eyebrow raise of disapproval followed by the same room scan stopping only when I lock on to the hot blondes ass and stare for long enough to make it obvious - Not actually pretending you didn't hear. She'd be wondering if you're retarded.

            [–]un-supervised-savage 10 points11 points  (5 children)

            That's why you need to read the side bar, all of it, then keep looking for more. The info in the side bar gives you the basics and teaches you how to learn by knowing good and bad sources of info.

            New people want a quick fix. There is no quick fix. The fix is stop being lazy and put real effort into learning everything you can. There's no instant gratification here.

            [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

            "Do what others won't do today, so that you can do what others can't do, tomorrow."

            When I first started reading trp, the thought of trying to mimic behaviours seemed pathetic to me - this is where I deviate from most of trp - for myself, if the behaviour or action isn't genuine, I don't do it. I believe one must work to build themselves, then confidence and frame/game will naturally evolve.

            [–]un-supervised-savage 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            I'm no spring chicken so I have a ton of experience. I've "spun plates" and been married, had a kid, been naturally alpha and beta in the same relationship, and learned about Narcissistic personality Disorder from a relationship. Luckily I have a personal experience where I was very Alpha with a woman and although I felt guilty about being that way with her I realize now that I shouldn't have felt guilty. She loved it. Once I succumbed to my normal beta tendencies She walked all over me and left. It was a good life lesson. Reading the red pill is just putting into words what I've seen before. It's not so hard to swallow the redpill with the proof that I've seen already. No mimicking behaviors, just being what I once was and knowing what is going on and why she's reacting the way she is.

            [–]behindtheline40 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            I was always a light TRP reader, usually looking for a quick fix/minor tweak. I slipped in my relationship and was swiftly destroyed. I realized I needed to fully understand. There was an intense fire in me because of the tramatic experience to learn. I feel most guys here need that trauma to fully swallow and read everything. they must WANT to read everything with every spare minute they can afford.

            [–]Incitatus002 129 points130 points  (25 children)

            "There is a lot to be gained by haggling your way down in the sexual marketplace just so you can be getting laid regularly"

            Don't agree with this one. Firstly, what's the point of bad quality sex, and, let's face it, the quality of sex for a man is almost entirely dependent on the visual stimulation he receives? Banging a low SMV land whale for the sake of having sex may not be pleasant (and in extreme cases may even result in ED problems - not getting it up because she doesn't turn you on.)

            Secondly, my time is too precious to partake in low SMV sex. I seriously have better things to do than to have to go through the motions of harpooning a land whale, and having to fend her off afterwards or look for an excuse to leave immediately after the deed. The whole idea of Game and TRP, as I understand it, is to get to bang hotter chicks than terrestrial cetaceans.

            [–]samvdvda 77 points78 points  (13 children)

            I don't agree with your statement that women's sexual value is only perceived by visual stimulation. Once I had this chick, not that good looking but she went for the blowjob. Not a lot of men I think would decline a bj.

            She sucked my dick so good it almost felt that the blanket was being sucked in my ass. Afterwards shit happened and I didn't wanted to fuck her anymore. But nonetheless the first time a bj made me cum. I liked the low SMV woman who did that.

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              [–]samvdvda 10 points11 points  (6 children)

              Haha I was tempted to type that but she wasn't a fattie :p she was bisexual and used to licking clits.

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                [–]TheEagleAndTheSnake 17 points18 points  (1 child)

                "Fat girls give head like it's snack time"

                [–]IntrovertSigma 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                It really varies person to person. To me it absolutely matters what the girl looks like.

                When I was younger I had some hookups because I could rather than because I really wanted to and I didn't feel good about it.

                [–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 19 points20 points  (1 child)

                Nothing wrong with getting a little batting practice in ever now and then before you step up to the plate and try and hit home runs

                [–]1PantsonFire1234 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                Best practice for my text game I found is simple sex chats and not actually Tinder. When it comes to face to face interactions the best thing you can do is socially as a place where allot of girls are frequently building up an image. Cold approaching is kind of unnatural in that way. You're basically approaching a girl from another tribe. Which requires vastly different skills than getting it on with a girl from your 'tribe'. Be it from school, your local gym, friends or pub.

                [–]1ozaku7 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                As long as her looks are satisfying, all I care about is a beast in bed. Not a dead whale laying on the beach, ready to get nailed/rescued.

                Some women just think it's enough to spread their legs and give a few moans, but it gets old and boring real quick. Id prefer a less visual good looking one but loves to ride that dick like her vagina is starving for miles of sausage.

                Which is why I go for nuru massages. There's non of the sex but no woman has made me feel so good without having to stick my dick inside of her. For me, that's the new girlfriend material, not the virgin next door that doesn't know shit.

                [–]IntrovertSigma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                It really depends on the person. I'm like you in this respect but I know plenty of guys who don't care. To them all sex is good and they'll rarely turn it down.

                [–]Enigma221 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                You're right. Doesn't that mess up the biological implications that we want to procreate and pass our genes with the best possible mates? If we are fucking landwhales just to create a high smv (which isn't even 100% guaranteed), and not actual hot women during that time so that we can pass our genes superiorly so that we can go up the alpha ladder every generation.

                [–]kokoke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Not gonna lie man the first time I experienced awesome sex was with a low smv woman.

                She could move her hips so damn well, nice ass and amazing BlowJob(She introduced me to the little hack of having them suck on an ice cube to make the tongue chilled to make the Blow Job even more amazing).

                Anyway, she really opened my eyes to how amazing sex could actually be and it wasn't just about cumming in the end.

                [–]phantom6700 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                So you're saying that girls are either 10/10, or landwhales, there's nothing in between. On top of that you're also saying if you can't have great sex then you'd rather have no sex? Bit disingenuous no?

                [–]k457 7 points8 points  (12 children)

                As a woman, this breaks my fucking heart. Honestly, why can't we treat each other like human beings. Posts like this break my fucking heart.

                [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                I understand why you might react that way to the title--try not to take it at face value. The post itself essentially prescribes these behaviors:

                • Don't be desperate or needy
                • Believe you are great and expect to be treated that way
                • Use distance to negotiate in your relationship rather than verbal or physical aggression

                [–]Starter91 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                People are ANIMALS and you just have to play by rules, and these are one of the rules. What society has made up through they artificial laws pulls no weight in nature.

                [–]AkiRa84 6 points7 points  (6 children)

                Women seem to mistake manners, kindness and chivalry as a lack of confidence in a man, so men are learning the "game" in order to appear more confident.

                [–]k457 3 points4 points  (5 children)

                You can be confident and kind at the same time! Maybe teen girls like the whole "bad boy" asshole thing, but I've never met a girl my age (20) or older who actually likes being treated like shit. If you are a gentleman and you're comfortable with who you are then you're GOLDEN! (Just don't mistake being kind with being needy/clingy when the girl/guy isn't interested. That's when it backfires)

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                This post breaks my heart too k457 but less so than the myriad rejections i received in my teens. Which to be fair is part of your point and I agree with it. But those formative years can really shape our opinons of the opposite sex. Women complain about being used by the bad boys you ignore us for. Feminism has somewhat ironically had the biggest effect on men not women. Alphas get treated like bygone emperors and betas live lives of quiet desperation.

                [–]AkiRa84 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Everything you said is blue pill thinking. That gets you friendzoned in a blink. Feminism teaching boys to act like that is the main reason for the divorce rates, suicide rates, birth rates, unhappiness...

                [–]BestSC86 55 points56 points  (10 children)

                While some of your points are helpful....one walk down the aisle at the local Tesco or Walmart shows that modern world reproduction is NOT governed by alphas corraling all the women in a community for fucking.

                Hordes of whales and fat ass betas toting around 2,3, and 4 kids which they can hardly clothe and feed but kids oe the less and these people are outproducing the successful, the intelligent and the leaders of society by a 10 to 1 rate.

                Now it does not mean that getting the attractive and hottest chicks in your community to fuck doesn't require being a cut above these rest of the smucks but let us stop the nonsense that only alphas are reproducing with women.

                This society is no longer made up of hunter-gather tribes roaming around the Serengeti following the one true leader and all the wome only giving up their pussy solely to the leader of the pack.

                [–]Hviterev 21 points22 points  (4 children)

                Comparing yourself to the bottom of the barrel never was a recipe for excellence.

                [–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                Comparing yourself period rarely ends well. Your value is only comparitive if you see it that way or allow others to.

                [–]jackandjill22 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Average is over in America.

                [–]Darth_Antonius 31 points32 points  (1 child)

                Hordes of whales and fat ass betas toting around 2,3, and 4 kids which they can hardly clothe and feed but kids oe the less and these people are outproducing the successful, the intelligent and the leaders of society by a 10 to 1 rate.

                That's what happens when you have a welfare state. It incentivizes the unfit to reproduce as much as possible. These landwhales and welfare queens are simply having these kids to suck more money from the government. Also, don't immediately assume that these landwhales are fucking and reproducing with betas because they find the betas attractive (they actually find them disgusting and repulsive). They go for the betas because they're to fat, ugly, bitchy, etc... to attract an alpha. Those betas will get destroyed in divorce court when the landwhales are done with them.

                [–]BestSC86 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                This was sort of my point.....

                Attracting HOT women is another task and something completely different than just spewing out some kids. I understand the Op was trying to convey that the old evolutionary alpha mating is what drives the hunt for hot chicks but coaching it in terms of producing children is only going to confuse most people reading this supposed female quest for only alpha dick when all you to do is step outside your door to see that society now for a lot of people is getting the least repulsive dick that they can find with the least amount of effort or work on their part.

                The Op actually made it sound like readers were fucked if they weren't part of and were not going to be able to reproduce unless they were part of the Top 6% when that is obviously not true.

                [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                My post wont makes sense if you don't discern the difference between 1. evolutionary psychology and cultural commentary, and 2. reproducing and fucking.

                [–]shakespeareSMG 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                Bravo!

                This parallels Amused Mastery.

                [–]SaggyT 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Great post!

                One way my uncle taught me how to manipulate women is to start by the little things, eg if you dont like her make up say "I don't like women who put a lot of make up" and just leave it hanging. If she's into you she will take notice and work towards your standard of what a woman should be. This is a start to controlling her without giving her direct orders.

                Then you move to the bigger matters

                [–]North_2345 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                All too true took me years to get the manipulation factor down. Now that I'm completely ingrained in a red pill lIfestyle. Living on the fringes of society is fun and exciting. Pussy comes and goes and once you see it behaving on its most primal levels its easy to manipulate but it's important to understand females are doing the same. The game of love is actually a game of manipulation,deceit and sex/resources .. once you are as far down the rabbit hole as myself or others the game is just a mere distraction . It's quite disgusting our nature actually. it is what it is. we're just glorified apes running around trying to mate. Bunch of fuckin monkeys

                [–]TrueFacets 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                Bunch of fuckin monkeys

                Haha thanks, made my day :D

                One question was popping up in my head again and again. - Jesus (and other religions) forced a 1 women, 1 man setup through marriage with the women being "controlled" a to certain degree. This system survived 2000 years at least. Now with religion and marriage gone, do you think it would be advisable to "control" women again, you know... to make everything a bit better again ? So that society doesn't completely disintegrates and deteriorates into hedonistic garbage...

                [–]opithrow83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                It would be nice, but birth control has ruined this. There's no putting the genie back in the bottle. The only hope is that men and women can be red pilled, but good luck convincing little girls to understand how their whore ways are destroying civilization.

                [–]menial_optimist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                The whole post dealt too much in black & white absolutes for my taste. It's nice to try and simplify concepts but some things are just not that simple.

                [–]donkey_democrat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Like you said, it tries to simplify stuff. The other situational posts are where the specifics can be analyzed.

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                I just want to say i really appreciate the work you mods are doing making sure we are shown the higher quality content via the announcememt feature.

                Great job guys. Your efforts are not unseen.

                [–]ajbrooks192 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                Surely if you ignore a statement or questions they are just going to follow up and ask again/ask why you are ignoring them?

                [–]young_x 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                Keep ignoring and the hamster takes over.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Not if your reaction signals disapproval followed by a lack of interest in her.

                [–]tailingloop 10 points11 points  (7 children)

                Sry guys this thread stillborn. Maybe you're right and maybe I just don't know what its like to be a beta male but seriously, are you gonna go around mimicking someone you think is getting laid in order to manipulate the subconscious mind of the female? Give me a break. If you're not having sex its probably because you don't deserve it. Go do something fulfilling, chase a real dream, not some sex fantasy. Do something good for your family why don't you. That's something real. That's the bigger picture feared by redpillers and cultural Marxists alike

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                Game, the Manosphere, the learning of evolutionary psychology (whatever) starts with women but ends with yourself, much as you describe

                I'm not sure you were aware of this? You alphas have never been the brightest 😉

                [–]tailingloop 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                ;) ;) Right you are. If the original post had stressed the importance of evolutionary psychology in the game of love I would have been less discontent. Its influence is profound. I do however believe in the power of the so called "LTR". I think it is " the way" if you want a strong and emotionally stable offspring capable of doing great things in this world. If you want and LTR to work you can't lie, not to your woman or to yourself.

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                [–]WhorehouseVet 35 points36 points  (6 children)

                Men want to fuck as many women as possible.

                Women want to receive validation from as many men as possible.

                Sex to men is equivalent to validation to women.

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                  [–]un-supervised-savage 7 points8 points  (4 children)

                  Being a validation whore isn't frowned upon in today's society. Being a slut is frowned upon. Women are forced to repress their sexual desires for fear of being labeled a slut. Validation is safer, that's why women seek the shit out of it. But if society didn't label women sluts for sleeping with as many men as she could then women, like your friend, would be having as much sex as they could. Validation whores are a huge red flag and not just because they're making themselves crazy by repressing there sexual desires.

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                    [–]un-supervised-savage 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                    No they want to receive it from as many as possible, including you. You are validating her wether you see it or not.

                    Not all women are validation whores. The women who are free and open about their sexuality who don't give a fuck about what society has to say about their sex life, don't desire that validation. Why do they not need it? Because they are satisfied sexually. They don't feel the need to compensate for a lack of sex with attention and likes on social media and in person. Women like this are much more rational and don't seem as crazy to men.

                    Ever wonder why women have so many shoes and clothes? It's to compensate...Women who are withholding sex in a committed monogamous relationship are really hurting themselves in the process of trying to manipulate their man with punishments like withholding sex.

                    You should read more about female psychology.

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                      [–]un-supervised-savage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I didn't contradict myself. I never said all women are validation whores. You did.

                      [–]THEDICKDEALER 65 points66 points  (19 children)

                      "she didn't even like sex" WRONG .she didn't like it with you.

                      [–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      A small percentage of the population (male as well as female) is legitimately asexual. Just genuinely no interest or drive. Be aware of it and move on if sex is important to you.

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                        [–]singeblanc 22 points23 points  (2 children)

                        She's ... still a virgin
                        She doesn't like sex

                        I'm the same: I hate eating lobster, although I've never tried it.

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                          [–]nattyX 10 points11 points  (11 children)

                          She's 18 and attractive and still a virgin.

                          And then when she's not a virgin, she'll love sex. You do understand this right? Put her in a room with a man that gives her tingles and she's not a virgin anymore.

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                            [–]nattyX 17 points18 points  (9 children)

                            She doesn't allow herself to get into a situation like that

                            Until she does. Then she's not a virgin anymore. Don't be naive.

                            [–]Sanctusary 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                            Its honestly just better to move on if you're not getting what you want from a girl. There are billions of women, don't get trapped by the mindset that "shes the one" because if shes not already putting out, she never will.

                            [–]ravenhiss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            Great post but it was like you're reading my mind so of course I'm going to think that.

                            All except for externalising the narcissism. It doesn't have to be external to be effective but by all means internalise that shit and own it. It's the key to inner game.

                            Walking around in your own delusion, realising everyone else is in their own delusion, changes your body language subconsciously and that's what women are attracted to. It's what TRP is all about, swallow the pill and release yourself from others expectations because we're all deluded anyway. Life has no meaning except for the meaning you choose to give it. Might as well make your delusions and meaning enjoyable.

                            [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            Props on the Nietzsche and Schopenhauer quotes. Love those two thinkers. That Schopenhauer quote you used is one of my favorite too. Really shows how women during peak fertility are super high value, but then decline rapidly.

                            [–]davist80 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            This is one of the best TRP articles I have read 👌

                            [–]HoundDogs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            I don't often comment here but I wanted to say as someone who's been successfully married for over a decade, there is a tremendous amount of truth here that I didn't even recognize I had developed naturally as a result of repeated failures with women as a young man.

                            For anyone on the fence about the use of the word "Narcissism", when it comes to actually describing a desirable trait when dealing with the opposite sex, I can tell you that it is absolutely essential. Obsessive, clinical narcissism is a problem and men like that have problems....that's not what's being discussed here. Narcissism in the way that it's being described here could also be described as unwavering self confidence. A man who gives off a visible light of certainty.

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                            [–]fortifel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            I've come to 3 independently. I've tried to argue with my LTR at first, but now if something goes wrong I just remain silent or continue from my where she interrupted me. She may cry, she may run away, but eventually, she acknowledges who's in charge and calms down.

                            [–]WhorehouseVet 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                            One way to create abundance mentality is to bang prostitutes.

                            [–]XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Welp, time to bang a prostitute

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                            [–]Pastelitomaracucho[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                            But it supposedly gets you laid if you are not able to get laid. That's the point. That's the point of this sub: getting laid even if you have to lie and pretend because women do it all the time anyway. Uncomfortable? Yes. That's why the red pill analogy is used.

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                              [–]Pastelitomaracucho[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Exactly. The argument for this is that sexual strategy is amoral.

                              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

                              Jesus this is some fucked up shit. I had no idea this is what this sub is about. You people actually believe this shit? god damn... how about just be yourself and not act like a fucking asshole so you can maybe have more sex. The only people who buy into this alpha beta bullshit are those who operate on the lowest planes of intelligent thought. Seeing a complex and wonderful world in black and white. This shit is pathetic.

                              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                              The meaningful statements that I've derived from your comment here are that "just being yourself" results in more sex and that the alpha/beta distinction is, I assume, meaningless.

                              As to your first point, it seems self-evident that calibrated and deliberate behavior strategies with respect to nearly any conceivable human endeavor will have greater results than operating on no plan, operating via instinct, whim, and present-moment intuition. You wouldn't say to someone trying to learn tennis "just do what feels right" or someone learning to start a business "just act on your immediate impulse and everything will work out great."

                              Similarly, deliberately utilizing some conceptual and behavioral tools to maximize sexual attraction from women is superior to just "being yourself"--especially when we consider that there is no such thing as the self, it being a mere combination of conflicting and confused parts.

                              To your second point, it is not controversial that there are men who are getting way less sex than they want (generally betas) and there are men getting exactly as much sex as they want (generally alphas). In that trivial and uncontroversial sense, the beta/alpha distinction is plenty valid.

                              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                              No, I did not mean be yourself to have more sex. I meant be yourself just because being honest about who you are leads to more meaningful relationships with people whom you would actually enjoy spending time with. You shouldn't act like another person, in the case the article brings up, an asshole, just to have more sex. There are more important things to life than just the amount of sex you have, especially at the cost of your dignity and self identity. And having alpha and beta, even if they were to exist in some vague form, be decided on amount of sex is just plain shallow. There are many more factors affecting the leadership ability or other various alpha tendencies. It's just flawed logic.

                              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                              I don't think you're interested enough in cultivating a lifestyle of regular sex with attractive young females to really participate in this subreddit. This isn't a discussion about morality or dignity. You also used the word "shouldn't" without respect to a clearly defined tangible goal. This is moralizing and is against the rules of this subreddit.

                              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                              Except I have a lifestyle of regular sex. And I'm saying your advice is terrible. Ignore women and act like they were born to serve you? Seriously? That's called being a fucking asshole. There are behavioral modifications you could make but definitely not those. That shits just fucked up.

                              [–]TheHinduGodThatCould 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                              In ancient times, If 6% of the population fathered 80% of the kids and assuming since their fathers are alpha they have a higher likely hood of being an Alpha than one fathered by a Beta, wouldn't the population of Alphas go up? Or maybe only a certain percentage of the society is in a position to be alpha? Maybe it is not genetic but a cultural practice? Or if it is genetic, why aren't the population of alphas higher? recessive Phenotype? Can scientists find the alpha gene?

                              [–]Starfuckingman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              One of many things I learned from TRP, is to show sexual interest and not hide it (It was one of my most apparent changes of mine to get out of beta-sex-is-not-important kind of guy). But now it says act like a sex-satisfied person, I am still on the road, getting plenty of sex but I still show a bit of eagerness to fuck. So now I am a bit confused.

                              [–]Peter_B_Long 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              I love this article. It speaks a lot. I think this article can be enhanced if some examples were given for the second point.

                              [–]RedPill_Swinger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              I had sex with hundreds of women, yet I don't see myself as truly "alpha" yet due to some genetic traits: I'm short (1,78 or 5'10) and have some white strands of hair and goatee but I managed to make up for it thanks to a strong mind, willpower and application. How would you define who I am? Not that I need validation or affiliation or a notion, I will simply carry on with my set of beliefs without caring too much, but in modern world that 1-16 ratio is not enough to explain why there could be "median" values and not only a polarised dichotomy alpha and beta.

                              [–]omgwtfidk89 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                              Are these tips working for you?

                              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                              I haven't gone more than 4 days without sex in 2 years.

                              [–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              This was really helpful thanks.

                              [–]LOST_TALE 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                              (and because sexual strategy is amoral anyway)

                              No. We just avoid morality here. That is all.

                              [–]dreamfisher 9 points10 points  (7 children)

                              So, I've read the comments, and I'm still not sure if it's serious, or a satire. Help?

                              [–]donkey_democrat 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                              It's serious. Why would it be satire? Satire of what?

                              [–]Colororcolour 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                              Down votes imply they're serious. Ha

                              [–]ledsarenice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              You're not totally off, this could be mistaken for satire. I for one do not take this seriously, as sincere as it may be it's misguided. edit I hate to sound condescending, but if grown ass men can't read these words without getting offended I guess they don't belong in this kind of confident, expressive community. It's easy to get caught up in your world view when there's dozens of individuals who agree with you.

                              [–]Stamitz19 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                              These people are completely serious

                              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              As a rule I'm never completely serious.

                              [–]TheDers79 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                              This is a good post - thank you. I have a pretty high fuck count and it's been with a plethora of women. There was a saying when I was younger "short, skinny, fat or tall, Mark fucks them all." I find it funny when I think about it now. I have only had bad feelings after it was with a super low woman, which wasn't/isn't often, other than that, I fucked them all and I was happy about it.

                              I'm just now getting back in the game after being in a marriage for 11 years and getting my manhood back - this community has played a big role in my understanding. I was a Chad and now I'm building that back. Being a shorter man makes it harder, but it doesn't stop me. I have many beta traits I've picked up along the way, though I'm quickly ridding myself of them. Thank you, M

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              /u/vengefully_yours is short too (and older) but kills it. Might be a good point of reference.

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                              [–]PillTheRed 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                              Shaming language? Got anything of substance to add?

                              [–]Western_Preston 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                              The fact that you're calling women 'girls' and 'females' demonstrates you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You write like a pretentious 15 year old who got laid for the first time because his cousin is just as morbidly curious as he is. Get a fucking grip tips fedora

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                              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                              Some science - everywhere I seen this number I've seen that 80 or 20% of males passed their genes further. 1/16 is way off!

                              [–]trpperr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Pareto's Principle was originally about economics. Only in the 20fh century was it transferred to other stuff. PP stated that 20% of causes have 80% effects and 20% people owned 80% wealth in Italy back then.

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                              [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                              Then you're obligated to talk to her, of course.

                              You're not obligated to defend, explain, excuse or rationalize. To any one. At any time. Wait, that spells DEER?!!?

                              Miranda rights, for example.

                              So you don't have to say anything. Or fog, or a+a, or practice your amused mastery, or simply tell her, "I'm not discussing this." then Broken record.

                              Ever hear about treating women like bratty little girls? How much weight is behind a 4 yo girl insistently asking you something?

                              There's your answer.

                              This is level 1 stuff, buddy.

                              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              I hate when people get embarassed and delete.

                              His post was...

                              But what if she insists?

                              Paraphrasing, but you can see why it went away.

                              [–]DjCbal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Good post, thumbs up

                              [–]soupermain 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                              I spend a lot of time doing online dating with apps and such and recently a lot of girls have been suggesting to connect with me on snap IG FB and or kik after I've asked for their number... how should I handle this as it relates to point 3?

                              Usually I just reply with "hah it's alright good luck finding what you're looking for"

                              [–]hodltaco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              1. Oh hell yah. Nothing drives them crazier than you not taking every pass. Especially effective for married RP's.

                              [–]metallicdrama 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                              Some women are so messed up you can still have another woman's stink on you and they get even hornier for it.

                              [–]Redsmoke18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              This is probably the hardest part of the pill to swallow, at least for me at the begining. the more I put into practice I start seeing results almost immediatley. I have a friend to which I advised to buy a book based on this mentality. He thinks its sexist. some men will be in denial of this mentality until they have no other choice but to accept.

                              [–]hafunnylol 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              All I can say is that my first hand experiences match up with what red pill says and not at all what you say. One of the things that make me happy is women. Either having sex with numerous attractive women or having a relationship with a great woman. You say it's good to cry and share. My first hand experiences tell me it's not good when it comes to women. Who should I believe? My first hand experiences or you?

                              You'll never believe me, but it's the god honest truth.

                              [–]iolitewrites 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Uncle Phil you gotta kick that man's BUTT

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