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Men's RightsMan gets his ex-GF to pay child support, and Reddit freaks out (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by chootey

Kind of surprised this hasn't made its way here, considering TRP is called out in the title. A very good example of the double standards people have, and how women are considered victims when they're treated the same way men are all of the time.

http://archive.is/k4ji6

A common scenario: a woman becomes pregnant by "accident", her fling/ex/one-night-stand does not want to be a parent, but the courts end up forcing the man to pay child support for the next 18 years of his life, most of which may never go towards the child.

Of course, we are told that this is completely normal and acceptable. Both parents have a responsibility towards the kid. You can't opt out of being a parent. The child support is for the child's benefit. If you didn't want a kid, you shouldn't have had sex. And so on, and so on.

Except when it's a man that's forcing his girl to pay child support. Then, according to much of Reddit, he's a scumbag, a lying asshole, his child is to be pitied for being raised by him, etc.

In this instance, a 20-year-old man posted on Legal Advice asking for help. His ex-girlfriend was pregnant and wanted to put the child up for adoption when it was born, against his own wishes. He wanted to raise the child, even if he had to do so as a single parent. He said that he earned enough to support the child on his own and he was willing to take on the responsibility.

He was informed that his ex could not put the child up for adoption without his consent and that he should get a lawyer, register his paternity, and push for his custodial rights.

Yesterday, he came back with an update. He got a lawyer, managed to prevent his ex from putting the child up for adoption, and is now raising his daughter as a single parent, with his ex signing over her custodial rights. And oh yeah, after this all happened and he had his daughter, he also got his lawyer to file for child support and his ex now has to pay child support for the next 18 years, and she phoned him up livid, swearing at him and calling him every name in the book.

A very common scenario that often occurs with the man having to pay the child support, but now that it's the woman, plenty of people have some choice thoughts for this man.

I actually feel terrible for the mother. Because if she didn't want the child, she could have easily aborted the baby and this man goes, after the mother gives him full legal custody, and makes her pay child support?

I don't agree with this at all. (+723)

Yes, she definitely should've aborted her eight-month-old fetus to save money.

But that was the point of adoption, so someone could take proper care of the child. This just seems like dirty tactics. (+257)

Want proper care for your child? Put them up for adoption and send them off into the world!

She had a plan, but now has to pay child support instead because the father wanted full custody? (+420)

Now, after he gets custody of the kid, he wants her to pay child support? That kinda negates the point of not being able to support the kid. I'd say that's a dick move on the dad's part. She should have terminated if she knew he would do that. (+596)

Another "she should've aborted her almost full-term baby" comment.

Literally a post why she should have put it up, she'd be in much better position. Crazy. (+4)

If she put her daughter up for adoption, she would save money and her daughter would grow up without either of her birth parents. Imagine how much of a better position that would be!

She let him have the kid without a fuss at the end but then he files for child support? Holy shit can't understand how someone could do that. And just imagine the Reddit shitstorm if it had been the other way. (+188)

"Imagine if this happened to a woman!"

She was mislead and lied to. It is incredibly scummy and I now worry for this kid's future having a dad willing to so coldly lie and fuck over someone like that...There needs to be more reason in these laws. (+44)

Total dick-move to sue for child support. She clearly and expressedly did NOT want this child. She made the process for OP to have the child easy as possible. Had she gone the adoption route, she wouldnt be on the hook for child support, but decided to give the father a chance to parent. Absolutely an asshole thing to do to her. (+10)

What selfish prick. Also, what an excellent way to make that woman hate him until the day she dies. (+14)

I think it's a crappy thing to do, and if I was the mother, and he went after child support, I'd go after visitation rights. Then he may change his mind about wanting child support.

"If I was the woman, I would go after visitation rights and be miserable raising a daughter I don't want to get back at him!"

I am glad I am not the only one that was distressed about the underhanded way he went about getting child-support. His lack of honesty really worries me. (+61)

I'm conflicted regarding going after child support. In my head I feel it's wrong, if she had put the baby up for adoption then she wouldn't have to pay it for the next 18 years. However if the roles were reversed and the father wanted to put the baby up for adoption and the mother wanted full custody, then i think public opinion would be that the father obviously has to pay. The laws need to change regarding this topic for sure. (+19)

"Now that this has happened to a woman, the laws have to change!"

Also, one comment that made me laugh:

You said you weren't smart enough for college? Man, you seem brilliant!

And there are hundreds of other comments, calling him shitty, a scumbag, ice cold, and every other name in the book.

To be fair, at least half the people in that thread support him and think this is perfectly fine, maybe even the majority. But you can be sure that if this was a woman, nobody would've even blinked twice.

When a woman is given the same treatment that men undergo all the time, she is seen as a victim. Furthermore, when a woman suffers the smallest consequences for her actions, people will excuse any and all behavior on her part (such as a late-term abortion of a viable fetus to avoid paying child support).


[–]trpjack 1020 points1021 points  (107 children)

This is a prime example of hypocrisy by SJWs. Great breakdown of the top comments - it's so painfully obvious that victimhood culture only applies to women.

[–][deleted] 202 points203 points  (94 children)

This is a prime example of the anti-natalist attitude of Western women in general. And people complain about Islam becoming the future, lol.

[–]lukmeg 221 points222 points  (45 children)

Feminist and a lot of feminist influenced women don't like being women. Penis envy is real. They really believe being a man is this amazing trip in the world where everybody serves you. Its ridiculous.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 105 points106 points  (9 children)

They are the true misogynists. They hate women so much that want them to all become men.

But I like them as women. :^(

[–]CLE_BROWNS_32 38 points39 points  (8 children)

I got into an argument with my sister who said I wasn't a feminist because I don't think it's socially correct for women to take off their shirts. I'm sorry but this is our sociological norm. Breasts literally grew from an evolutionary process of sexualization. Men's nipples aren't sexualized.

Western civilization is the most equal place to live in the world. What more do they need?

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 38 points39 points  (3 children)

There are also alot of feminists that argue that taking off the shirt contributes to the objectification of women. They cant make up their minds. Personally im all in favor of women taking off their shirts if they want to.

[–]RedPill115 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Young girls (as in kids, children, 5 year olds) don't have breasts.

Boobs literally grow as a sign saying "I'm no longer a child and biologically ready for mating".

[–]Modredpillschool 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Indeed, anybody making the claim that breasts aren't sexual completely failed biology class when they went over secondary sexual characteristics.

[–]atifhere 38 points39 points  (9 children)

It tells a lot about their worldview. In their eyes the only men are the top 1%. The psychopathic unstoppable ones. Who gets whatever they want and when they want especially sex.

They think if they would have been male then they would have been drowning in pussy all the time and will be getting sex without being labelled as slut.

Many feminists have literally confessed to me about it. I have to remind them that they are average or below average looking girls. And in the male world even the slightly above average looking man don't have such abundance of choices as much an very below average woman have. Their male version would have been below average looking men, which means they would be sexually frustrated and would be working hard to get acceptance from society and in return they would only be getting shit.

Its not that women cannot see the victims, its that they don't consider them a man. Label yourself as gay or transgender then they will notice you. Because such men won't be thinking of impregnating them if they will show compassion towards them.

Women's love is towards only such men that are capable of harming others and them. Their love is not for the victims who are harmed by such men.

[–]Dragon_Garoo 32 points33 points  (7 children)

My GF's GF, literally told me that female priveledge and sexual selection wasn't real. When I explained that women are the gatekeepers of sex, and a woman can get laid any time, any place, she said: "I'm sure if you just walked up to some girl, you could say 'hey, let's fuck' and she'd go home with you." I laughed so fucking hard... No honey, thanks for the compliment, I mean it... but no. That just shows how wrong you are about men. We have to put up with shit tests, even when they want us badly. You really can't teach a fish about fishing.

[–]failingtheturingtest 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Well, maybe you should take her challenge and give it a go.
If she's right, you'd be an idiot for not knowing you had this power.
If she's wrong, nothing changes.

[–]EatmyShorts59 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I like the way this man thinks !

[–]ayylma088 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I think that was her subtly trying to tell you that SHE actually wants you ... xD

[–]Dragon_Garoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hahahah. Well. Been there, done that. :-)

[–]AnjaJutta 43 points44 points  (45 children)

By the time Islam hits the shelves, it will be so watered down the Arabs will convert to Christianity to save their values.

[–]OP_is_a_Cat 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Naive much? You think the Arabs in their home countries would ever get rid of hardline Islam? Especially if it's meant to keep women down and suppress minorities in their countries

[–]AnjaJutta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Google the word hyperbole. No time to explain rhetoric devices to normies.

[–]harsha_hs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Its incredible to see how it all turns out

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (41 children)

Whichever system survives in a few generations will be very pro natalist, Christianity is a dying faith. It will either be Islam or something else, but only the descendants of those who truly want children, don't believe in contraception and abortion will be around in a few generations.

[–]AnjaJutta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Islam is currently at the same level Christianity was before the council of Nicaea. You haven't even properly figured yourselves out. Stop assuming things.

[–]loknarash 15 points16 points  (26 children)

Give your black pill nonsense a rest. I'm not Christian, but Christianity is not dying, and not all Western women are anti-natalist like the Marxist wastes of sperm and egg on reddit. Additionally, don't conflate invasive nonwhite cultures with white cultures and say 'that's the West.'

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (25 children)

Demographics suggest otherwise, but then again what can I expect from a white knight.

[–]yer_muther 5 points6 points  (7 children)

What is your source for Christianity being a dying faith?

[–]FU-ThatsY 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Women taking dick in the ass to save their virginity.

[–]1nzgs 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Are you kidding? Have you seen the statistics in Europe? Nobody goes to church except for the elderly and certain African immigrants.

Personally as an atheist libertarian I couldn't care less about the death of christianity and I find it bizarre that some people think religion is required for the continuation of a civilisation.

African tribes are pro-natalist and many of them face threats of genocide and have their resources sold off by tyrants to the Chinese. Doesn't matter how many babies they pump out, they are fucked. Having more white babies in an endless race to outbreed immigrants will achieve nothing but even lower living standards. Pro-natalism is a red herring and an excuse to avoid the harsh truth that what we need is to block 3rd world immigration. Lowered birth rates are a normal and healthy social response to modern economic realities as we see in Japan which isn't faced with extinction just because they aren't fucking enough.

[–]etherael 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Personally as an atheist libertarian I couldn't care less about the death of christianity and I find it bizarre that some people think religion is required for the continuation of a civilisation.

Do you know how rare atheist libertarians are compared to the great mass of humanity? Assuming you're the kind that has arrived at conclusions of your philosophies based on mutual benefit in interacting with society at large in a free market, and the necessary process you had to go through in order to come to that conclusion, the mental hardware involved in making all the appropriate cost benefit analyses' etc, do you realise how unlikely it is that said vast majority of humanity is capable of those things?

Religion was called the opiate of the masses for a reason, it offers simple idiot-proof justification for behaviour that contributes to "society", don't be bad because god is watching you and you'll go to hell, etc etc etc. Exactly the kind of shit you want someone to believe if they're half-retarded and you just don't want them to chimp out and kill / steal / rape / assault etc.

[–]OP_is_a_Cat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It wouldn't be a problem seeing Christianity die and a more secular population. However, many of these "atheists" are too afraid or naive to realize that importing and allowing mass Muslim immigration will lead to more clashes down the road.

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    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The conflicts are happening because of collectivists vs individualists, modernists vs postmodernists etc. Christianity is playing a very small part, a lot of the alt right are new atheists.

    [–]Radioactivebuny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Always cracks me up, how they defend Islam.

    I'm not getting in shape to get laid, that's for sure...

    [–]jewishsupremacist88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Islam will save the white race

    [–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 39 points40 points  (1 child)

    Nothing surprises me anymore, but what does make me sad is how little these people care about the children. Goes to show how little they believe their own "do whats best for the child" line that they hammer fathers with.

    [–]anon35202 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Bill burr outlines out this duplicity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNSt3wJXZk0 It's about fairness when it's in my favor, and it's about justice when it's not. Heads I win, tails you lose.

    [–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (2 children)

    And victimhood culture does NOT apply to men. Never has, and never will. Any men out there living as if this isn't the case are hardly living as men at all.

    It took a very low point in my life and the red pill to wake me up to that fact. Nobody cares about your injustices suffered, so brush em off and move on

    [–]mrcs84usn 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    To be fair there were some highly upvoted posts that point out the glitch in the matrix.

    This thread is a little eye opening. Post upon post from mothers about their kids involve being told to sue for child support. Dad sues for and wins child support and he's apparently an asshole to a huge number of you. (+1057)

    One person mentioned how she gave it up because she didn't have the funds to support it, and how her paying child him support negates her trying to avoid the financial burden. It was responded to by this:

    Now switch the genders in that statement and see what the response is... (+1208)

    Even some downvoting of dissenters

    By forcing the mom to pay child support for a child she did not want to care for. Thats messed up. (-12)

    Yet another one

    I'm glad OP got his child and I think he did the right thing by going for the child support. It was completely up to her whether or not to abort. She chose to have the child and the child deserves to be supported by the mother. (+616)

    [–]Cunt_Robber 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Victimhood culture. Thats great! Let's make that more mainstream. Rape culture vs victimhood culture... I wonder which is more prevalent within our society?

    [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 156 points157 points  (12 children)

    CS / alimony / divorce / parental rights etc are no time for morals. Hunt or be hunted. This guy understood - or at least he got the right advice at the right time.

    The system is fucked up beyond all reason, and I wouldn't take too much away from this other than to do your research. If you want to be in the sexual marketplace, know the risks. Have a plan for shit like this, have a plan for how to deal with false rape accusations, have a plan to deal with social fallout, have a plan to deal with STDs, etc.

    Big boy pants time - this guy is 1 out of 100. He happens to be in Texas too. If the mother had even a hint of wanting the child, he'd have been fucked. If he'd not convinced the mother to go ahead with his plan, he'd have been fucked. If the mother had gotten good legal counsel... he's fucked. Let's not extrapolate and misread the larger societal situation - his success doesn't mean the system is fair. You can be a lot smarter than he is, and have a significantly worse outcome. She can and will change her mind at the last second - and actually she probably could still file for joint custody / no CS payments if she wanted now, and she'd probably get it.

    Love the comments that are essentially "she should have condemned this kid to a foster family like she wanted rather than give it to a enthusiastic father so she could have avoided paying CS." We as a society don't give a shit about kids, we only care about her agency and her life. When it benefits her, we do a massive song and dance about "for the children", but really, the sacrifices are only supposed to be made in one direction.

    [–]3trplurker 29 points30 points  (4 children)

    and actually she probably could still file for joint custody / no CS payments if she wanted now, and she'd probably get it.

    Probably not, the courts are very biased towards maintaining status quot and the current living situation. She would have to get an unbelievably awesome lawyer and he would have to fuck up very badly in order for the courts to transfer custody to her, especially if there is any evidence at all of her not wanting the child.

    That is one of the reasons men lose custody so often, when shit goes south they tend to either A) move out of the marital home, which is treated as abandonment or B) get a TRO against them that forces them to move out. This makes the "status quot" of the kids living with the mother and the courts tend to not want to disrupt that, and thus the man as the non-custodial parent, gets stuck with the CS payments. It's also why divorce lawyers always tell their female clients to get a TRO against the husband, it's practically an instant-win move.

    [–]harsha_hs 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    This is incredibly true and once you have established a person as a 'bad' guy/girl especially with some evidence, then it is very difficult to turn it around in courts and that's why its incredibly important to make the first legal move when shit hits the fan. Never ever hesitate to contact a lawyer when your gut says you need one. Don't ever think 'its not that bad yet'.

    Stay safe gentlemen! Thank me later

    [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, good point. She gave up all her cards and then some, and this supports the point that he got extremely lucky that she played along without putting up a fight or consulting a lawyer.

    [–]BENDERisGRREAT 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Texas actually likes to give kids to the mother, alot. Although they also hate change...

    [–]SovereignSoul76 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    We as a society don't give a shit about kids, we only care about her agency and her life. When it benefits her, we do a massive song and dance about "for the children", but really, the sacrifices are only supposed to be made in one direction.

    Well fucking said.

    The worst part of it, is that many people don't objectively see this going on right in front of their faces. The assumption of female primacy is so foundational for society at large and individuals, that it's not even worth articulating at this point. Then they see something like this happen and they lose their fucking minds. Frustrating.

    [–]freebase42 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    Not that it matters, but speaking as a lawyer in Texas, I will say that the Family Law section of the Texas Bar has been working for decades to push back on the gender bias in family courts, and you're starting to see more and more judges rule in favor of awarding custody to the fathers because of that. It used to be that you couldn't get custody awarded to a father without a jury trial, but now judges award custody to fathers fairly routinely. That's not to say it isn't an uphill battle, but I don't think the fact that this case was in Texas is as significant as it would have been twenty years ago.

    [–]Augustuscrassus 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    Honestly as someone who's birth mother didn't want them and gave them him up to abusive grandparents, fuck bitches like this. Keep your fucking legs shut if you don't want children you don't get to play the victim after the fact.

    Good for the dad, mom's are shitty fucking parents anyway.

    [–]holytrpbatman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Females are horrible single(edit) parents. Too selfish to see truth and implement common sense, when raising kids.

    [–]drewshaver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I don't think a newborn is going into a foster home.

    [–]RPDrogan 215 points216 points  (25 children)

    Yet another post that confirms the basic premises of this sub.

    There are different biological and social expectations for men than for women. Here is proof. There is no such thing as gender equality. Only balance between the genders.

    One of the most useful skills you can learn is to ignore all the SJW hamstering. It doesn't offer anything of value and it's mostly useless drivel constantly updated with made up terminology. Don't let it bother you. Don't react to it. Realistically, those people are much more vocal on the Internet. In real life they are usually only confident in groups (with the exception of the largest ugliest feminists who have given up on social norms entirely).

    [–]RPDrogan 16 points17 points  (2 children)

    Dear iizkaraa,

    I will gladly explain this to you, although I'm sure it won't change your already preformed opinion.

    Our current social norms are beneficial to some people and detrimental to others. For attractive women, the current social norms are extremely beneficial. Due to anisogamy, men and women must mate in order to pass on our genes. However, sperm are tiny, numerous, and cheap, while eggs are few, large, and expensive. Therefore, the sex that has to give up more natural resources for procreation (women) is more selective about their potential mates. This is why men benefit from taking The Red Pill and learning about what gives us value.

    Male attraction is primarily visual. This means that attractive women are the recipients of constant male attention and sexual desire. For attractive women, feminism is not only unnecessary, it is actually a hindrance. Attractive women are already catered to by society. Their lives are great and if they learn how to utilize their looks, they are very likely to end up wealthy.

    On the other hand, unattractive women are screwed by society. Unlike unattractive men, who can still provide value in other ways, unattractive women are unappealing and undesirable to men. Therefore their value in society is also lower. They are not given the same perks as attractive women. They have to work twice as hard for half the reward. Men will ignore them unless they have something else to offer, hence why many unattractive women tend to be intelligent or talented in a particular area.

    For obvious reasons, unattractive women are unhappy with their current role in society. Hence their prevalence in the feminist movement.

    The reason most feminists are unattractive is because it would be illogical for an attractive female to be a feminist. She would essentially be working against her own self interests. The goal of feminism is to improve the lives of unattractive women. However the modern day feminist movement is very flawed. Which is evident from a multitude of sources.

    [–]holytrpbatman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Unattractive women can often do something about that condition. But they usually just keep eating, dye their hair, and become impossibly ridiculous in their behavior.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Men will ignore them unless they have something else to offer

    Implying women have anything else to offer.

    [–][deleted] 285 points286 points  (7 children)

    Really well done on including those quotes and the (upvotes) - it really gives a good bit of context and shows the attitudes of those involved.

    A child is for life, not just for Christmas, this woman wasn't raped and she wasn't coerced into having sex with this guy - you don't get to do the deed, see the pregnancy through to conclusion and then just walk away with no responsibilities - it's sociopathic to expect you can do so.

    I like how he's "sued" for Child Support too, this may well be the standard legal parlance but it seems to have these lot triggered. From my perspective it's the Father making sure that he's got at least some recognition of her responsibility to the kid and a token payment to help out and make sure the kid doesn't go without.

    Woman when this happens with female: "You go girl! Don't let this dead-beat get away with it!"

    Woman when this happens with male: "Law needs changing. He's a criminal."

    [–]SCV70656 58 points59 points  (5 children)

    A child is for life, not just for Christmas, this woman wasn't raped and she wasn't coerced into having sex with this guy - you don't get to do the deed, see the pregnancy through to conclusion and then just walk away with no responsibilities - it's sociopathic to expect you can do so.

    Just to rub a little salt in that wound. In the case of men, rape is no excuse not to pay child support. If you are too young to pay child support? To bad your parents are on the hook for it:

    It is one of the earlier cases now cited in U.S. child support guidelines which say that in every case that has addressed the issue the court has decided that an underage boy is liable for the support of his child even when the conception was the result of statutory rape by the mother.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer

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      [–]SCV70656 22 points23 points  (3 children)

      absolutely, Family court is 100% driven by siphoning funds from people to the state, lawyers, and "experts".

      Not only do they want child support, they want to pay their buddies who are "child welfare specialists" to make sure the kids are safe and collect their 2k+ bills.

      Unfortunately women do not understand that the minute you start a hostile divorce she and the ex husband lose. All that money will go to the lawyers. Of course the lawyers always let them know that he can get more for her and try to make it hostile.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 14 points15 points  (2 children)

      Lawyer reporting in. He is correct. Most lawyers pad the bills and avoid early settlement to maximize the bill.

      What lawyers tell you: "Fight for your rights and for justice.

      Something my lawyer never told me: "If you want to fight there is probably going to be very little left in the end to fight over. You are such a dumb ass. You married this person and lived with her for years. Fucking meet with her sorry ass and work it out like a man."

      Of course that approach can't work because HER lawyer will be telling her to "Fight for your rights, and don't talk to your husband or meet with him without your lawyer.

      Its not going to be enough to kill all the lawyers. The entire rotten system is the problem.

      [–]SCV70656 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      There is always a sad touch of irony when to couple has to sell the house they were fighting over to pay the legal bills.

      Or when they have to liquidate 401ks. Lawyer gets his cut, government gets to tax the shit out of it for an early withdrawal and the ex-wife gets nothing anyways.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Plus it's complete bullshit because the same women would be saying rah rah go girl go if it was him who wanted her to terminate and she wanted to keep it, get custody, and sue for child support. It's God damn pathetic

      [–]SheriffBart42 85 points86 points  (4 children)

      It's so hilarious... since this is the exact situation that so many men get wrangled into.

      This is why women are so obsessive about their reproductive rights. In this case, the father exercised his rights as any women can (keep the child and demand support). They so militantly try to keep men from getting to do this because this is how they avoid what they hate the most... responsibility.

      [–]Appleseed12333 14 points15 points  (3 children)

      Devil's advocate: making abortion difficult to get and forcing child support on the mother will increase the amount of women who use infanticide as a means to get out. The chance to hurt the baby, even pre-born, is much higher for mothers than fathers.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      There is a really strong correlation between areas that have a high density of poor blacks and "SIDS." That's "sudden infant death syndrome."

      Now don't get me wrong, there are plenty of cases of legitimately impossible to determine child deaths, it's a diagnosis of exclusion. You could probably reasonably determine the portion of these diagnosis that are in fact, random and undetermined by looking at the rates in highly affluent areas with strong conservative values.

      Then you could compare those rates with highly liberal (or outright antisocial), poor, black communities and see how high that rate is.

      So what you'll see is a rise in "SIDS."

      [–]WhenTheBowBreaks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      making abortion difficult to get and forcing child support on the mother will increase the amount of women who use infanticide

      Which is still more difficult than getting an abortion. If I want my child to live, then I want it to be difficult for her to kill it.

      [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 79 points80 points  (6 children)

      Shit, her child support won't be even close to what a man will be forced to pay, and they don't apply all the penalties to girls either. Bro of mine had his wife walk out, leave the kids, and sign them over completely, in the same state I got divorced in. They had 4 kids, I had 2. I made less than $2k a month on active duty, she was making $3000 a month. The same exact state hit me with 71% of my gross, and her with 10% of her net.

      He asked why it was so low, they told him it is against state law to force someone into poverty. Last time I checked, the $100-$300 a month I got after the 71% was well under poverty. State law said 68% was the max, but they hit me with 71%. No lawyer in the state would fight for me either, even if I could afford them.

      They're outraged, but this little cunt wont get fucked by the pittance they'll "request" her to pay. She won't go to jail when she gets behind. She won't get her passport revoked, nor her drivers license, and her credit won't be fucked into the 200s. There's far more than one double standard.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      Shit, her child support won't be even close to what a man will be forced to pay, and they don't apply all the penalties to girls either.

      Assuming she even bothers to pay it in the first place.

      Census figures show only 57 percent of moms required to pay child support — 385,000 women out of a total of 674,000 — give up some or all of the money they owe. That leaves some 289,000 “deadbeat” mothers out there, a fact that has barely been reported in the media.

      That compares with 68 percent of dads who pay up, according to the figures

      https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/136404/

      [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      200s? Shit I didn't even know the score went that low! :lol:

      Don't mean to make light of the situation, but I had to laugh at that man.

      [–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Damn, you are a serious survivor. 71% hahaha. Perseverance 10/10

      [–]maninthepantspants 55 points56 points  (1 child)

      "Mommy, when I grow up I want to be an SJW."

      "Pick one or the other sweetie, you can't do both."

      [–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (0 children)

      It's always the males fault. I'm just glad he got custody of his daughter since her mother didn't even want her. Also it's good she's paying child support, she helped get herself pregnant by not using any form of birth control.

      [–]Roaring40sUK 45 points46 points  (5 children)

      I love this sort of shit!

      What is shows, sadly is, how women view children as an econimic resource, and when the resource doesnt worj for them, the repsonse is "kill it!" or throw it into the state foster system.

      Thats some cold shit.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 33 points34 points  (4 children)

      Yep, the meme we use needs some changes:

      --Men Love women

      --Women love Children themselves and pretend to love children so long as it benefits them

      ---Children love dogs

      [–]Neo_Natal 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      It's funny, I was on a mountain hike yesterday where the side of the trails drop you down pretty far. Like you'd get seriously hurt if you fell. As we're walking past this couple with multiple children, the dad is holding one kids hand who's excited as shit and jokingly says, "I think he's trying to pull me down the mountain."

      The mom was in the back holding her son's hand as the kid says "I'm gonna pull you down too mom, lol." The mom's word-for-word reply went, "pshhht, yeah right, I'll just let go."

      I laughed so hard at that. The dad was totally ready and willing to follow his kid down the mountain if push came to shove but momma bear is like, "fuck that, I'm saving myself."

      [–]makeshift98 12 points13 points  (1 child)

      That's what we call a joke you fucking spaz.

      [–]Neo_Natal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It reveals an obvious truth. But way to add to the discussion Mr. MGTOW!

      [–]Roaring40sUK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      So true.

      I have seen this shit time and time again with women doing whatever the fuck they like, for some grasp at "happiness".

      Men are definitely the romantics, be that women, children, country..

      [–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (5 children)

      What are the stats on men with custody? I have custody of my 16 year old son and have had it four 14 years. She ran off when he was born, filed child support on me at once. Of course I had no attorney and received the stipulations I had to be supervised for visits with my son because I yelled at her once. It didn't matter that she spent all of the bill money on nails, hair getting done and clothing, I'm the monster. Of course she tells me that if I try to see my son she'd acuse me of rape or hitting her. For two years see my son once. Life moves on and I get married and my wealth increases, hire attorney and take her to court. It should be noted I hired a bad ass female attorney, she ended up winning an election to county DA. She came in like a boss and found a judge that heard our case. Dude must have been red pilled because he started asking her questions like where's she been working and how many times she's moved and how many relationships she's been in. She lies, gets caught by my attorney, thanks to Facebook. Also, my attorney finds a CPS complaint against her for drugging my son and leaving him alone to go to a concert. No one told me about this of course. It was filed by her grandmother who just got through testifying how wonderful she was, looks like granny lied under oath.

      Basically she tried to say I'm out of control etc...she loses I win. I get my son back. Everything is wonderful right? Nope. I'm still paying child support. We took the paper work over to the child support office to get it stopped and those sjw tricks refuse to stop it and lose my court paper work. Six months later I call the judge leave him a message about what all has been going down. He has his clerk call me back, has me pick up a new order to take over to the child support office. I drop it off and 3 months later nothing. I've been paying her 9 months of child support for a kid she doesn't have. She could give the money back to me right? Lol nope. Call the judge and this dude is based, he sent two deputies over with a court order and if it's not completely compiled at once, the director of the office was going to be arrested on the spot for contempt of court. It was a Christmas miracle because they stopped! I went down and filed child support on her a week later. 14 years later and my case is still pending.....still pending. I get a call every now and again asking me why I haven't been paying child support, I have to fax all my paperwork over and I get now where. When she filed on me the case was done in 2 weeks. I'm at 14 years and I get comments about how I'm a shit bag and it's not real manly of me. Oh well, I will never see a dime. My case for those 9 months I paid in error is still pending after 14 years. She was provided with an attorney when she filed child support against me, I have been treated like shit. So nothings changed.

      [–]ConkersBadFury 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      Man that is unbelievable! So after 14 years, she hasn't paid you a dime for child support?? Let alone pay back the 9 months of child support she shouldn't have received. The law is fucked.

      [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children)

      Yep, they claim they can't find her to serve the papers. She lives in government housing. So that's bullshit. The good thing is my son is old enough to know what's up.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      they can't find her to serve the papers.

      In my State you could hire a private process server to file the papers. Then if she avoids service you can post by taping it to her door. That's not your problem. Your problem is her Section 8 housing. If she's on welfare with no source of income then what do you do? You can't garnish food stamps.

      [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Do what they do to men who are broke and homeless or lose their jobs or injure and cant pay child support, put her in prison. Then when she still cant pay up, place her back.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      You are one of that "majority of men who go for equal custody get it" group. This is a typical story except for the earnestness of the judge who is clearly sick of the biased system. I would bring a show cause against the government child support attorney and /or the assistant. Check with a local attorney but especially if you can get before that judge on your unpaid child support petition only good things can happen.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 79 points80 points  (20 children)

      “When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.” - Thomas Sowell

      [–]iwasbornred 15 points16 points  (8 children)

      YES

      Thomas Sowell should have been our first black President. I'm genuinely upset with him for not playing a different role in society. But I guess, to each his own.

      [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

      Are you kidding me pal? Ben Carson was called an Uncle Tom and he was a distinguished neurosurgeon, can you even imagine the sort of reception Sowell would have gotten standing up and preaching for "Massa"?

      The fact he's an advocate of actual Capitalism and The Free Market won't matter shit to the Crony Corporatists or the SJW's who're oh-so-similar.

      [–]iwasbornred 9 points10 points  (5 children)

      Ben Carson wasn't really capable of defending himself properly. Sowell would be much better at it and at explaining to black people why and how the left is using them.

      He has some good YouTube videos exposing the fact that minimum wage was originally instituted in order to discriminate against black people.

      Sowell seems a lot more.... there. Carson's Christian rants and beta demeanor screwed him.

      [–]yomo86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Carson is gifted and frankly one of the most intelligent of the candidates but far from cut-throat Hillary or Troll-Trump. It is not even the same sport they play, he would have not survived the actual elections past the primaries.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (10 children)

      I am British and have only just recently discovered Thomas Sowell after searching YouTube for Milton Friedman videos - they've appeared together a few times I believe - and he is an amazing speaker, economist and a very grounded, rational thinker.

      I've got Friedman's 'Capitalism and Freedom' in a box from Amazon waiting to be opened, I'll be getting one of Sowell's books not long after I'm done.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Glad you discovered him. Thomas Sowell has been the man for longer than many TRP readers have been alive:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo

      [–]sonder_one 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Basic Economics is the best book you'll ever read.

      [–]Moneyley 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      He has provided an update on his status (closed by mods)

      Taking care of my baby is difficult but certainly worth it. I feel like I have something to live for! My family has been super helpful and with their help we can make sure my daughter is happy. I also got a promotion at work. I realized that I need to be more ambitious because I now have a baby to provide for. A higher position was open at my work and I asked for the promotion but they told me I'm too young. I offered to do the job for as a trial 1 month without any extra pay only to prove that I can do it. After a month they gave me the job!

      [–]ConkersBadFury 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Of course they closed it, God forbid that people know the man is actually trying to provide for his child.

      [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      Woman decides to keep a child, raises it, man pays support for 18 years - that's ok.

      Woman decides to give up a child, father raises it, woman pays support for 18 years - well, guess what?

      That's ok too. Welcome to real feminism where both genders are treated equally.

      [–]Venny_1 21 points22 points  (1 child)

      I didn't need the child support payments for daily care of my daughter but I think she deserves to have something saved up for the future and for her college. I didn't have the chance to go to college (not smart enough, I'm not good at studying) but I want to make sure my daughter has the chance!

      The man isn't even trying to suck the life out of his ex like a parasitic piranha. He wants to channel the child support money for his daughters education, and the SJWs have a problem with that? Pathetic bunch!

      [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (4 children)

      The double standard is obvious and disgusting. When a man pays it's almost as if it is just meant to be that way. It's like a tradition to feminists and they feel entitled. Opposite? The sky is falling and their blood curdling screeches can be heard for miles.

      I read it on social media about celebrities as well. A couple will separate and the woman takes the man to court and is totally entitled to alimony and child support. Women praise it; the men complaining are called superficial pigs. I mean, some men pay tens or even hundreds of thousands a month. Some of these women didn't even work a single second for that money. But if a man makes such a request and wins it, the guy is a pathetic loser who should go get a job.

      I know all too well of the discrepancies of justice within the Family Court system. As a young man in my late teens I was tricked into getting a girl I had been dating for a few weeks pregnant. She was on birth control, but didn't take it intentionally... by the time I learned that it was too late, obviously. I was dragged through Family Court. She said she didn't want support, but as soon as we got in front of the Magistrate and he asked her if she did, she said yes. I was going to college and worked part time making like $100 a week (hours cut due to holidays being over).

      Time went on and she collected my money, but used it to buy cigarettes, pay for her cell phone and more. It was to the point that my family and I paid for everything while I paid child support. Food, diapers, formula, wipes, toys, medicine, copays, etc. We paid for 99% of it.

      The mother have up custody and I had joint with the maternal grandmother, who had been great up to that point. A little goofy, but good. She didn't work weekdays so she had residential while I worked fulltime by then. She signed up for some grandparent grant that kicked us back into family court. Child support started and I even fell into arrears due to administrative issues. They garnished big portions of my paycheck. At least it was supposedly being used for my daughter, who I really had half of the time.

      One day the grandmother can't do it anymore out of the blue, calls me while I'm with my dying grandmother to tell me as such, and we meet her at my home where she drops off my daughter with some stuff. I file for sole custody and get it, but child support is still being taken out of my check. I literally had residential and sole custody, but kept paying because the courts had archived my support case and it took a long time. Hundreds of dollars biweekly. I was able to get it frozen after awhile, but the grandmother had taken a lot of it to get her nails done, but a brand new iPad, get new clothes, etc. I get back what was frozen, but I doubt I'll ever see the hundreds of other dollars she owes me.

      The mother tries to get joint custody after abandoning my daughter multiple times. It's denied multiple times, and I'm told to file for child support by my lawyer. I do and it's granted to me. $50 a week plus half of all uncovered medical expenses. She is visibly upset. I'm happy. Equality, bitch... or so I thought.

      She doesn't pay her child support at all. Not a single cent. She doesn't work, had another kid with another guy, doesn't try and find work, etc. I petition the court to have the support enforced. She doesn't show... twice. I lost 2 days of work for nothing. Arrest warrant put out for her, which sounds dandy. She gives herself up 2 days later, I drive like a maniac 45 minutes in torrential downpour to get to the court, and am told by the Magistrate that they won't arrest her because it won't help her get a job. She supposedly sets up appointments with the Dept of Labor to show she will try, but never goes through with seeing them. Still no support collected.

      Now it is 2.5 years later, she's over $6k in arrears, I've petitioned again for it to be raised and enforced... so we will see what happens. All I know is that if it was opposite, I'd be titled a "Deadbeat Dad," arrested, have stuff taken away from me, etc. Her? She lives off the government, plays the "woe is me" act about how she has another child, etc. Nothing happens.

      And this is all really about support, not custody. That was a hole just as deep.

      I'm glad this guy got the child and the child support. The fact that the double standard is evident and somehow justifiable in the minds of feminists is disgusting. Men/Fathers have rights, and I hope that such inconsistencies have more light shed on them. But maybe they won't, because any time such s topic is brought up, they cover their ears, close their eyes and scream. Just look at how they acted when some colleges wanted to play The Red Pill documentary! People protested, ripped down signs, etc. Men's Rights Activists are often protested, demeaned, called vile names and more.

      [–]cashmoney_x 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      Jesus Christ dude. And THIS type of (not uncommon) shit is why I',m always annoyed to hear about "the sanctity of motherhood" and all that other nonsense. A lot, and I mean a LOT of them are shit humans, period.

      [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

      Yeah, this woman literally destroyed my life. I love my daughter and she's an amazing child; caring, loving, compassionate are all words to describe her. But I wasn't ready at 19 to be a father. And this girl decides to trick me and then bail and never have any consequences for her actions, or lack thereof.

      My mental health deteriorated faster than a decomposing body in a heatwave. She blackmailed me, threatened me, and fabricated vile lies about me. Not one time did she get in trouble. I started having chest pains around the time of my most stress, o my being 25ish at the time. I started having panic attacks so immense I thought I was going to die. I still, to this day, deal with the glowing embers of anxiety that flare up from time to time. I've lost many opportunities and a lot of freedoms due to her. Yes, I could've ran and abandoned my daughter, but I could never have the heart to do that.

      I'm glad to see father's rights finally having a light shown on them. I have friends who have similar issues as mine, but they weren't as fortunate. Their exes run them through the vicious system, leaving them hopeless, with little money, and depressed.

      Entrapping a man into unwilling fatherhood should be considered a crime of its own. I mean, if you take the condom off during sex people are saying that is an example of a man raping a woman, so why shouldn't a woman tricking a man into pregnancy not be a crime? Not rape, but just something.

      [–]cashmoney_x 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      You are one of life's everyday heroes.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Thank you, friend. I wouldn't have been able to do it without my family for sure. My parents and sister helped out immensely. I don't know how single parents without any helping family do it.

      It's funny, because on Facebook I've been "called out" for following and commenting on public men's rights pages, even by guys on my friends list. People commenting on articles and stories have chastised me for commenting in favor of men's rights. I am not blind - every case and scenario is unique. But overall feminists - both male and female - rule in favor of the woman no matter what.

      [–]Singreff 12 points13 points  (1 child)

      Can someone post this story on tumblr and let us observe what happens?

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Sounds like a great way to get doxxed

      [–]StraightWhiteMaleLOL 19 points20 points  (1 child)

      Shit like this is why I'm a right-wing douchebag.

      [–]afkb39sdfb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I'm "anti-left" at this point, I vote against all their interests, doesn't matter really for whom.

      [–]redaftrp 17 points18 points  (0 children)

      Similar situation to mine: I married the wrong woman, get her pregnant, and after 2 years of marriage we split. She took me to court for custody and I lost the initial fight, was ordered to pay $800 per month to her until he was 18. This occurred 4 years ago, 2 years ago I wont custody of my son and has child support reversed, she pays about 1/4th of what I paid. If she wants to be a part of my sons life, she should support him as I was required to do.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      So you have to understand: Anything that benefits women is GOOD, but anything that is to their detriment is BAD, even if it was the same thing that was GOOD when it helped women.

      [–]thecrimeofperfection 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      One commenter states:

      The amount of vitriol from both sides in the comments is both saddening yet expected.

      There is no vitriol from the MRA/TRP side, just satisfaction in knowing that the scales can be balanced. Even the OP chimes in with actual vitriol.

      This thread is what a brigade looks like. MRA/TRP types. They can suck an egg.

      It's not brigading, its what happens when the other side speaks up within your echo chamber. Don't be surprised when that voice is louder than you expected.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 11 points12 points  (4 children)

      Furthermore, when a woman suffers the smallest consequences for her actions

      Society absolves women of all responsibility.

      Everything that happens with marriage, infidelity, abortion, child support, divorce... all of it... is designed to absolve women of responsibility and to make men pay.

      These rare cases where the genders get flipped emphasise how real the narrative is and how much people are invested in it.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Society absolves women of all responsibility.

      Jack Nicholson nailed it with this line from "As Good as it Gets" (1997).

      [–]yomo86 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Well in the past, when you had the balls, it was really your fault. Women's infidelity? Keep your bitch in line - or throw her out, remember fault-divorce was standard. Marriage sucked? Suck it up, and get your bitch in line. Child support? Bitch had to do chores around the house so no income, which is justifiable.

      All of those expectations carried over to post-feminism but the structures which made such assumptions righteous are long gone.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      What's gone is female obligation. There is no obligation or expectation on her to be a good wife, to be a good person, to be chaste, to be a good mother, be a good wife etc.

      All the pressures on women have disappeared, all the pressures on men have remained and had more added.

      My mother epitomised this... "I'm not doing the cleaning just because it's a woman's job to do it, that's sexist!" immediately followed by "I can't fix the car, I know nothing about them".

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRuleZeroDAD 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      THOT: I saw that "agency thingy" around here somewhere...must have lost it in my purse, tee hee.

      White Knight: Don't worry Miss, you don't need it to get everything you want.

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        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        This is my takeaway exactly. Astounding to see the mental gymnastics they are favoring over rationally analysing the situation.

        [–]Taguroizumo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        This topic is so so sweet, all men should know their rights and most importantly study law so they can troll these smart ass women who think they can win in all and every instance.

        [–]themolestedsliver 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Wow so many people are saying well if this is reverse people will still call the women a bitch...umm how do you think the term deadbeat dad came from?

        [–]enkae7317 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Equality. It's what feminists advocated for. Don't get mad when it fucks you in the ass, too.

        [–]yomo86 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        SJWs arguments basically are name calling and derailment, if they have mod status they outright threaten you. So yes even the most BP guys and gals would rather see the kid growing up with a dad who cared enough to fight for custody when mom freely reloquished all of her motherly duties. But this goes against the carefully crafted victim pyramid.

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        [–]MaxWyght 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        Freeze your sperm, get a vasectomy.

        When Ms. Right comes along, get your sperm and have a healthy baby.

        [–]etherealembryo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Thats a good man! He'll be there for the kid and thats all that matters. The people writing the disgusting comments are probably all single fat dyed pink hair and hate all men even in this case. Its just a shame we are taught to do the right thing w ad campaigns telling us to be good fathers to be there for our kids and then everyone in that society deems the man not a man when something like this happens. I get sick to my stomach thinking about the hate this guy gets for being a good dad a good man and generally a good person.

        [–]outrunnerpt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        This is one of the most beautiful stories I've ever read. That dude deserves my respect, I'm sure he will be a fine dad.

        [–]XXMAVR1KXX 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Kinda off topic, but when I was younger my mother left out of nowhere and it was just me, my dad, and my younger brother.

        She quit her job that paid $20 in the early 90's and ran off with another guy. Courts gave my dad full custody of my younger brother and I on the account she was not fit to have custody.

        My dad was granted child support for us. He got $1.60 a week, and was embarrassed to cash the checks. Ridiculous honestly.

        But in the end it taught me work ethic. Got a job, and helped with the bills.

        [–]LittleWho 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I want to say, as a woman, this chick who got pregnant should be paying child support. If she didn't want her offspring in the world she shouldn't have had one. Having a child, regardless of whether you have full custody or no custody, will likely cost you money. If anything, this proves she's an idiot.

        I hope that baby girl has a great life with a daddy who fought hard for her.

        [–]Ecclesia_Andune 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        'She should have killed her baby because rather than giving it to strangers, her biological dad took it and now wants money to raise it'

        'Feminist btw xd'

        [–]kbox 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        We want equality!! No not that kind, we mean equal share of just the good stuff!!

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Single dad here, I think this is a great example of how unbelievably warped most people are, particularly on "the internet". I've been through the whole ridicule bs, I've been called a woman hater, I've been treated like a criminal at friend of court, and even though I have both kids (one of which isn't even mine), I STILL have to pay CS. The law is bullshit, and after this, I will never respect law, or any asshole that thinks he/she knows what is better for me or MY kids.

        [–]Yankee_Fever 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Am I the only one who is seeing all the top comments saying, I guess if the roles were reversed he would have to pay child care so it's fair.?

        [–]Not_Just_You 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Am I the only one

        Probably not

        I'm a bot, reply good bot to this comment to unsubscribe/resubscribe

        [–]SovereignDS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Good for him. Justice does exist.

        [–]Dragon_Garoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        This is fucking beautiful. Fuck the SJW's and their hypocrisy. Good on that dude. I'm sure he'll be an awesome parent. And.. having a kid is like a gold mine for 'he's a good guy'. lol. Nice to see the tables turned for a change.

        [–]esquared95 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        See, what should have actually happened is that she should have signed over her rights as a parent (different than custody rights). Then she would have no claim on the kid and he is the only parent on the birth certificate. I'm not sure if that can actually happen in this case, but this is how it goes when the roles are switched.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        No offense, and I know I'm going to get downvoted into oblivion...but I don't think most of you guys even read the thread OP linked.

        Because if you guys did, you would have saw there were many members who were defending the guy and saying she deserved to pay childsupport, I feel like a lot of you just read the title of this TRP thread and went straight to type out a comment.

        Obviously there were people supporting the woman, but this is Reddit so thats this is expected, but there were so many people defending the man that I was very impressed.

        [–]NeoreactionSafe 13 points14 points  (7 children)

         

        We need a new Constitutional Amendment:

         

        • "The government shall be forbidden from interfering with domestic affairs."

         

        Shut down the Family Courts, repeal Child Support laws and end all forms of Divorce Rape.

        Normal healthy relationships between men and women will quickly be restored.

        All these screwed up laws are destroying the potential for family love as it undermines the natural forces of Natural Law that actually guide behavior.

        The laws attempt to invert reality... so that's how we got things this fucked up.

         

        [–]lukmeg 3 points4 points  (6 children)

        The only opportunity there is for that to happen is women getting screwed. Nobody cares about men.

        But what politicians and burocrats care about even more than women is money. So they will never shut those systems down. They make too much money getting their cut. They will promise reform after reform when the previous one failed again. They will end up creating a convoluted system with layers and layers of laws, but they will never shut it down. The system needs to collapse before it can get better. That's how history show us empires work.

        [–]NeoreactionSafe 7 points8 points  (5 children)

         

        Empires are very slow to decline.

        Corruption increases... men get demoted to lower and lower status.

        The "Whore of Babylon" is the model of Feminism ancient and modern.

         

        http://www.theologyoftheages.com/images/big/whore-of-babylon-materialism.png

         

        Men bow down "below" women while women hold the money and rule the government beast.

         

        [–]lukmeg 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        Yes, empires are very slow to decline. We will not probably see the end of it, just a slow decline. Our children might not see the end either.

        But this is the part of the cycle we have been born into. We are technology monkeys and we have our collective way of behaving marked by our instincts. No point in fighting the natural trend and just make the best of it.

        [–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (3 children)

         

        These are exciting times to be Red Pill.

         

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki

         

        In Hinduism, Kalki (Devanagari: कल्कि; lit. destroyer of filth), also spelled Kalkin, is the tenth avatar of the god Vishnu in the current Mahayuga, foretold to appear at the end of Kali Yuga, the current epoch. The Purana scriptures foretell that Kalki will be atop a white horse with a drawn blazing sword. He is the harbinger of the end time in Hindu eschatology, after which he will usher in Satya Yuga.

         

        As I often write:

         

        • Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill mythology.

         

        We "Kill the Beta" and expose the filth women do and how corrupted the Globalist Tyranny has become.

        As long as your Amused Mastery takes pleasure in destroying the Blue Pill myths these are great times.

        Destroy with pleasure.

         

        The rider atop the white horse is symbolically 777.

         

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        This post gives me the biggest justice boner. Good on this guy. Shame on those who lamented the court ruling. This happens to men all of the time. I'm glad when I see the tables turned like this. Fuck the bluepilled sjw cucks on this site, hypocrites.

        [–]yummyluckycharms 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        feminism isnt about equality - its a hate movement. And thus, this answers the question as to why when the stated goals of feminism are enacted, women quickly hate them.

        [–]prodigy2throw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Aren't we also being hypocrites by not being angered by the mans actions tho?

        [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Bio mom probably considering joining TRP right about now.

        What the fuck is this retarded shit? I don't want to pay for a cheating whore, but I'm going to take care of my children.

        [–]DragoonIND 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Although I agree that there is Bias on who takes the child support money as in man vs woman, I do kind of think it was a low move to say I want the baby and then request child support. It really brings home of an ulterior motive.

        I'm not saying it doesn't happen to men around the country all the time, I'm just saying that it was a confusing motive.

        [–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        If the guy wanted the kid, smart man. Why have remorse doing something like this? It's his kid and he got the kid. Fuck everyone else.

        Greatest argument for not restricting your opponent's speech. If it's wrong, let them talk. They're just putting on their dunce cap for everyone to see.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Stories likes this make me want to beat the shit out of twox

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Honestly I think it's just disrespectful towards women that we normally allow them to take advantage of these double standards. They're not that weak, they can do the work and support themselves and others - but they've got everyone convinced that they need help, because people let them. Feminism is pretty frighteningly brilliant in how they shift the frame to nullify those arguments... also pretty fucking stupid. We're willfully allowing them to be spoiled, pathetic little shits. I think it's disrespectful to not expect much from women when they're capable of more, and horrifyingly pathetic on society's (especially men's) part to allow them to be lazy like that.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Taking care of my baby is difficult but certainly worth it. I feel like I have something to live for! My family has been super helpful and with their help we can make sure my daughter is happy. I also got a promotion at work. I realized that I need to be more ambitious because I now have a baby to provide for. A higher position was open at my work and I asked for the promotion but they told me I'm too young. I offered to do the job for as a trial 1 month without any extra pay only to prove that I can do it. After a month they gave me the job!

        This right here is the only think I need to see to know this guy will be a good father. A bunch of people wanted this little girl aborted? Wtf... Humanity is gone.

        [–]eduscape 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Did you folks even read the post? So many bullshit comments here.

        "with his ex signing over her custodial rights."

        Typically, when custodial rights are voluntarily terminated, child support obligations typically cease.

        How do I know this? I was in a similar situation with my son, and his mother signed away her custodial rights releasing her from any and all responsibilities, period. Including her right to see him. That is up to me. This happens alot more often than you think, male or female. It happened to a friend years back, the dude wasn't interested in raising the child and signed his rights away.

        Ya'll dudes are ridiculous...

        With that being said...if she signed her rights away and somehow signed an agreement to pay, but didn't realize what the fuck she was signing, damn right she should be pissed - what human, male or female, wouldn't be? Also, do any of you know the state he lives in, his attorney, etc? Probably not.

        Ya'll are so hateful against women right now that you totally overlook the LAW in favor of your "if this happened to a woman zomg, she'd be getting handouts, etc. blah blah blah!"

        Brush up on the facts, and the law ya fuckin jokers. Sick of seeing this whiny bullshit on this sub. Let's stick to self improvement, and game instead of running off at the mouth like a bunch of gossiping bitches.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Did you read the comments and look at the amount of upvotes different responses got?

        Most people saying the situation is shitty also clarified they believe forcing men to pay child support for children they don't want is also shitty.

        The comments siding with the guy get more upvotes than those siding with the woman - the comments that demonize the man are the comments with the most downvotes.

        I actually feel terrible for the mother. Because if she didn't want the child, she could have easily aborted the baby and this man goes, after the mother gives him full legal custody, and makes her pay child support? I don't agree with this at all. (+749)

        Yes, that is one of the highest rated comments, but look at this response to that quote:

        Well, thats equality. If this seems unfair, so is making a man pay for an unwanted child (+2042 - and got Reddit Gold)

        More responses to the things you quoted:

        But that was the point of adoption, so someone could take proper care of the child. This just seems like dirty tactics. (+255)

        Someone is taking proper care of the child, the father. Women get child support from men all the time and nobody blinks an eye. This guy wants to get child support from the mother and put it towards his daughters college and he's using dirty tactics? Get your head out of your ass, he did the right thing on all accounts. (+267)

        Majority of people are supporting the idea of the mother paying child support and viewing the man's uses of it positively.

        She let him have the kid without a fuss at the end but then he files for child support? Holy shit can't understand how someone could do that. And just imagine the Reddit shitstorm if it had been the other way. (+190)

        You act as if he's pocketing the money or buying a new car or some shit. This is money that goes towards the betterment of the child's life and is a legal responsibility of the non-custodial parent. (+247)

        You even edited one of the posts to make it look like it was more against your position and men than it actually is. You quoted:

        She was mislead and lied to. It is incredibly scummy and I now worry for this kid's future having a dad willing to so coldly lie and fuck over someone like that...There needs to be more reason in these laws. (+44)

        The part you intentionally cut out?

        I would feel the same if the gender roles were reversed. There needs to be more reason in these laws.

        You tried to interpret those comments and make it like people make excuses for women, etc., but the reality is the comments and their ratings show the OPPOSITE of what you're trying to point out. And you clearly know that but just want to be a victim yourself based on the way you edited out last one.

        [–]grandaddychimp 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        These people are sick in the head. Aborting an eight month old fetus is unquestionably murder. Murder just to save money.

        [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        damned if you do and damned if you don't

        [–]Appleseed12333 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        No adoption needed, simply travel to another state, and drop off the baby anonymously through safe haven laws. Mother fucked up hard hence why we rarely see cases like this.

        [–]villewill19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Typical SJW hypocrisy. Child support is usually for the child's benefit. No it is not always fair, and many times it is abused. The man did the right thing by filing for child support from the woman and it is beyond unsurprising that the left SJW victim machine is not a fan.

        [–]2012Aceman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        In my experience "women's rights" refers 100% of the time to abortion AKA the right to define what is life and what is not life. And the sole determination of whether a fetus is going to be human, or is going to be sludge, is how she feels in that moment. It was never about the kid, but if you make it about yourself you become "selfish", so you gotta have proxy power.

        [–]Squirtclub 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        There's definitely a double standard here, but why can't you think that what this guy did is just as shitty as a girl doing the same thing?

        None of the comments op quotes are saying "this is only wrong because it's a man doing it".

        [–]themolestedsliver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Wow. not for nothing i really am not a fan of you redpillers but i would not have known the extent of this hypocrisy without this post.

        It is quite disgusting someone calling the father a dick for daring to get child support from the mother when that is common fucking place for a guy to pay child support lest he labeled "dead beat"

        [–]Grimsterr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I saw that thread and thought to myself "man I really hope this makes it to TRP because this is golden".

        He played that whole scenario perfectly, a sight to behold.

        [–]Moneyley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I want everybody to please note... OP put the upvotes next to each comment...

        For the first one there were 723 SJW's on reddit that agreed with her! At least 723 people!

        [–]hillbull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        As a man who has primary custody of his kids and doesn't pay child support, I salute this guy. My ex isn't even a drug addict or anything terrible. A woman Guardian Ad Litem actually decided that I was the better parent and the kids were better off with me.

        He and I are probably exceptions, but we do exist.

        [–]MeatRocket23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I hope she dosen't pay and goes to jail for being a deadbeat mom

        [–]AtlasGhost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        This beta males/SJWs... Its so sad to live in that victimhood culture conformed by people who can´t deal with life´s obstacles and past wrong choices. This guy deserves the best, Im sure he will find a lot of troubles along the way. SJWs are no more a revolutionary movement, just look how the media, even the society, glorifies them. Things like "Male privilege" or "Microaggresions" are making a lot of damage to collective conscience. Stay strong and wish you the best of luck!

        [–]DysfunctionalBrother 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        What disgusts me the most about it is that people are seriously suggesting that she should of aborted the child to avoid having to pay money to the father, i mean how fucked up can you get?

        Personally i think abortion should be illegal unless there is a real risk of the mother dying from giving birth or the child will have a poor quality of life due to health issues. Better reasons than i don't want it.

        [–]bopperman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Total and utter hypocracy. There is no logic whatsoever that it should work any different if it was the woman claiming child support. And to suggest that they woman should have aborted the guys child if she had known he was going to claim child support....i am speechless.

        [–]heathenxtemple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Typical hypocritical femnazis.

        [–]mgbkurtz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Reddit is disgusting. The referenced comments are proof.

        [–]Cardplay3r 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        So you're telling me (and most of the commentators, it seems) it's an injustice when a man is forced to support an unwanted child but when it happens to a woman it's all good?

        The problem is the legal and societal double standard due to women having the choice to abort and men not offered a similar choice financially, not comments outraged at someone's injustice.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (15 children)

        If you actually bothered to give an unbiased representation of the comment section of that post, we would all see that the commenters are overwhelmingly praising the father and agreeing with his course of action:

        This thread is a little eye opening. Post upon post from mothers about their kids involve being told to sue for child support. Dad sues for and wins child support and he's apparently an asshole to a huge number of you.

        (+850)

        But how often are the roles reversed where a father doesn't want to keep the child and ends up having to pay support for 18 years? No one feels bad for him and they'll call him a dead beat if he doesn't want to pay. You're a parent. Regardless of what's beneath your pants. If one parent wants to keep the child, your obligation as the other parent, legally, is to provide support.

        (+1005)

        I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread. Child with two parents, custodial parent gets child support from non-custodial parent. In what world is this wrong or controversial?

        (+555)

        etc.

        How about making a quality contribution, instead of whining about "muh men's rights issues!" where there are none? Of course, those who commented and upvoted this post are also at fault for not bothering to click the link first.

        [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (4 children)

        His post was well-designed, organized, presentable, and brought an important issue/topic to our attention. What about that doesn't deserve an upvote?

        [–]missinglastlette 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        OP wrote that a majority of comments in that thread were in support of the father, did you read the whole post?

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          [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          While I agree that there are reasonable posts about it, OP also commented on that.

          To be fair, at least half the people in that thread support him and think this is perfectly fine, maybe even the majority. But you can be sure that if this was a woman, nobody would've even blinked twice.

          I concur with that assessment. In fact, there are even people who outright admit that they were biased in favor of the woman in that equation by default, without really thinking about it.

          [–]iliketreeslikereally 6 points7 points  (2 children)

          While I agree that he failed to illustrate the situation fully (only giving the other side a quick mention), the fact that what seems to be 40% of the people hate the father is still very telling. These 40% wouldn't be there if this was a mother talking.

          [–]0kool74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The Blue Pill sub called. They want their troll back.

          [–]wapu 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          You are missing the point. The point was not that it was unfair because she was a woman. The point is that she wanted to give the kid up and have no parental obligations. She then gave the kid to the other parent instead and will be financially responsible. It was a dick move by the parent who ended up with the kid. The same dick move that women pull all the time and people go crazy in this sub talking about.

          Showing happiness for this is hypocritical. And now this sub ud showing the same double standard you called out. We should be just as upset at this father as we would be of a mother who pulled the same crap. This thread is proving all of the detractors of this sub right, we don't come off as someone who wants equality, we want revenge. To be honest, this thread sound like a feminazi post from tumblr.

          Mother or father, we need a mechanism in this country to legally allow a parent to give up their child without being held hostage by the other parent.

          [–]MisfitMind00 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          lol the post is pointing out the hypocrisy that is prevalent in today's society. I think you're the one missing the point.

          [–]cashmoney_x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Who crates the child supports the child. Otherwise it's all of our responsibility.

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            [–]BaffoStyle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Hilarious comments. I wish good luck to father and daughter

            [–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I get that this sucks. Guys get shitted on every chance society gets. And usually it's the dad's that's always making the sacrifices that gets shitted on the hardest. I know TRP doesn't really respect Asian culture but it's an old Asian saying that fathers get shitted on despite all the sacrifices they make.

            But it's important when you're telling yourselves with posts like this NOT to get bitter with the world and NOT to get demoralized. This is just the way of life. Women will continue getting these social crutches. I have coworkers who are women who don't do shit and all they do is complain about how hard they work even though all they do is hog all the hours and literally use those hours to sit down on their phones rather than work. Meanwhile I get shitted on for other people's inability to work. But if you get bitter and resentful at society, ONLY YOU suffer from it.

            I think it's important to be reminded that we live in an unfair society that views men like shit. But it's also important to not let this get you jaded. Worrying too much about things such as these that you cannot control is not very TRP. Just take a deep breath. Understand the world sucks and the advantages are stacked against you. But don't let it change you or make you weaker. Learn from it and become stronger.

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