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Red Pill TheoryNever show weakness. She is not on your side. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardArchwinger

There’s a myth floating around the manosphere about the “good alpha.” A guy who’s hot, charming, successful, interesting, smart, funny, and most important of all, a great leader. Not a fake Red Pill alpha, but a real alpha. A guy who isn’t just out for himself, but a guy who genuinely cares about others, brings others up, and makes others feel good. A perfect-ten human.

These real alphas, who were most often born and raised that way and never needed a creepy internet cult like us to learn how to be men, are admirably human, and the complete opposite of everything we evil Red Pillers teach. They’re not aloof and indifferent – they’re engaging, compassionate, and concerned! They don’t stonewall and tease – they earnestly communicate! They’re not stoic and emotionless – they’re open and honest and their emotions captivate you and make you like them even more! And they’re not perfect – they’re human, but they own their flaws and mistakes and admit them readily, because that’s being a real man.

I’ve actually never met a man like this, but I hear about them all the time. Mostly from women. So many women think they’re dating awesome guys. Six months later, I’m usually told that these guys turn into assholes. Nobody ever seems to say, “I was wrong. I misjudged him. I was stupid and horny and just pretending to see what I wanted to see.” No, it’s always the guy who changed somehow, or who manipulated and tricked that poor girl. She wasn’t wrong, he was. But don’t worry, because she’s already met another guy who’s ten times better than the last one, and he’s a real man, per my paragraph above this one. I’m crossing my fingers for her.

Somehow, the myth of the good alpha has leaked into the manosphere from that flat planet at the center-of-the-universe where women live as all the stars rotate about them. Men, and boys slowly becoming men, right here among us, are advocating the path of righteousness. Being an upstanding mensch, a leader-among-men, a guy who’s honest and in touch with his feelings but still a man, a guy who owns his mistakes and admits his weaknesses, and a man who loves women earnestly and cares about them and isn’t afraid to take a risk on love as long as he has a few standards and isn’t just falling all over any girl who doesn’t slap him. A guy who’s goal is to be a perfect combination of attractive manly characteristics (e.g., alpha), and supportive comfort-building characteristics (e.g., beta), destined for marriage one day when he finds the right woman and can be everything she needs.

Here at The Red Pill, we’re already aware of that guy. We even have a name for him: blue pill.

Here’s the deal: Women are not your enemy. They are not the other team. They are not against you. They are not trying to exploit you or manipulate you. They’re just out for themselves, same as you. Sometimes, being out for themselves is going to run contrary to what you want for yourself. Sometimes, your goals will align, at least a little bit, and it almost feels like you have a teammate. But you don’t. Because you want what you want and she wants what she wants. And if one of you sacrifices what you want that’s not going to make the other person necessarily do the same.

While women aren’t your enemy, they’re definitely not on your side either. They’re not your friends, they’re not your confidants, they’re not your safe havens, they’re not your respite. Not even your wife or girlfriend. She’s not on your side either.

Do you know why women watch Jerry Springer, reality TV, Judge Judy, and whatever the fuck else is out there airing the dregs of humanity, while reading tabloids explaining in graphic detail how celebrities and the royal family are every bit as fucked up and human as we are? Because people like seeing weakness in others. It makes them feel better about themselves without having to make any effort to actually be better.

When your woman is feeling low, she’ll try to access your “human” side, whether that’s trying to make you angry, trying to make you sad, trying to make you horny, trying to make you apologize or admit something – she wants you to reveal a chink in your armor, because she feels bad about herself and needs you to look more human so she knows she’s still good enough for you. That chink in your armor means she still has some control over you.

It’s a difficult and misleading situation, because she likes to feel that way. It makes her feel good, even happy for a bit. And you care about her, so you want her to feel good and happy for a bit. And you want to open up a little bit for her and let your guard down a bit, because it feels good to be accepted and validated.

But The Red Pill figured out something that you don’t want to accept--The hardest part of this whole thing for you to swallow: Affection is not the same thing as attraction. Women don’t want to fuck weak men, even if they like them. They say they do – hell, just look around Reddit. Reddit is apparently the single largest bastion of special snowflakes in the world. If you take women at their word, Reddit’s chock-full of women with exceptionally high libidos who soak through their panties every five minutes thinking about their skinny, laid back, underachieving, nerdy, overemotional boyfriends that can barely keep up with them sexually.

I’ve never met a woman like this, but I hear about them all the time. Mostly from women. Scroll up to the third paragraph of this post to see what I might think about that.

If you want a friend, make a friend. A guy friend. But if you want a girlfriend who’s eager to please you and wants to fuck your brains out, don’t treat her like a friend, or that’s all she’ll be.

If you want to communicate about real issues, discuss ideas, discuss improving yourself, and talk about how you feel, find a guy friend that you admire and want to learn from.

If you need to cry, lock the door. If you’re injured, disabled, have cancer or a mental illness – that’s between you and your doctor. Hell, join a support group and meet guys.

But when you’re sitting next to a woman you care about, never show weakness. It’s a trap. You’ll make her like you, but you’ll make her fuck me.


[–]1jb_trp 257 points258 points  (65 children)

Affection is not the same thing as attraction. Women don’t want to fuck weak men, even if they like them.

Society has been telling men for nearly 20 years that they want them to be sensitive, emotionally available, connected to their partner, etc. And what's the end result? A dead bedroom, a divorce, and your ex-wife finding "a real man" to fuck her brains out while you pay child support/alimony to a woman who thinks you're pathetic and children you don't get to see.

Not convinced? Check out this feminist article "Why Great Husbands are Being Abandoned" stating the exact opposite of what society has been telling men for two decades:

I am currently dealing with several of these great husbands. They are, across the board, respectful, quality, caring, devoted, cherishing, authentic, and supportive guys whose wives have left them for a different kind of man. These once-beloved men make a living, love their kids, help with chores, support aging parents, and support their mate's desires and interests. They believe they've done everything right. They are devastated, confused, disoriented, and heartsick. In a tragic way, they startlingly resemble the disheartened women of the past who were left behind by men who "just wanted something new."

You may think that these women are ruthless and inconsiderate. Those I know are far from that. More often, they still love their husbands as much as they ever did, but in a different way. They tell me how wonderful their men are and how much they respect them. They just don't want to be married to them anymore.

Isn't that great? Your ex-wife thinks you're wonderful, respects you, and she even loves you. She just doesn't want to fuck you. Ever. After trying you, she's realized what she really wants: A "man's man."

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 116 points117 points  (21 children)

In that Huff Post article, the woman actually makes a key insight. I felt like she was touching the truth for a moment here:

Maybe the men got too nice and the women a little too challenging. Oddly, the androgynous men seemed to like their new-found emotional availability, while the women began to feel more unfulfilled. Her "perfect" partner, in the process of reclaiming his full emotional expressiveness, somehow ended up paying an unfair price; he was no longer able to command the hierarchical respect from her that was once his inalienable right.

…if only she had continued along this like of thought, she would have basically ended up at TRP.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 129 points130 points  (17 children)

Women don't respect you because you're manly. They respect you because they're attracted to you.

Their arrogant mistake was thinking they can control what they're attracted to. That's why they tell you to just see past the unwashed fat girl with the skin condition and the scraggly hair and enjoy her personality. Just like women do for men.

I've never met a woman who actually does that, but I hear about them all the time. Mostly from women.

[–]LukesLikeIt 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Men are aroused mostly by a women's physical attractiveness. While women are aroused mostly by an alpha frame. Hence you often see guys punching well above their weight but almost never ugly women in similar situations.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You'd be surprised. There are some serious ugly girls who, in a logical world, would go home alone every night just like the loser guys. But as long as they're willing to say yes, some chump will fuck them. Ten years later, they won't give a loser man a chance because they're used to fucking slightly better than losers, even though they were just a pump and dump to those guys.

[–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If a good-looking man is with an ugly woman, he probably has self-esteem issues and people assume the worst about him.

[–]1twinyix 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Woman have this amazing flexibility in what they're attracted to. Mr. Beta Bob can be a BP as fuck husband but by developing an Alpha mindset he can make her attracted to him again. This mindset set can make the difference between a 2 and an 8 for women.

Men aren't as flexible. If she's fat and and ugly it will take a lot more than a mindset to change her attractiveness in our eyes.

Woman fundamentally understand that any perfect man they meet can instantly become unattractive with just a couple of words.

It's their projection of that among other things, that makes them shame you for not finding an unwashed fat girl with the skin condition and the scraggly hair attractive.

Edit: Autocorrect we meet again

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Woman have this amazing flexibility in what they're attracted to.

Yeah. Right around 29 or so, the nerdy guy she wouldn't look twice at in high school suddenly becomes her soul mate when she realizes how much he's grown since he was 18, how much she values responsibility, industriousness, and how totally hawt a good career is.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Woman have this amazing flexibility in what they're attracted to. Mr. Beta Bob can be a BP as fuck husband but by developing an Alpha mindset he can make her attracted to him again...

She isn't being flexible - she isn't doing anything, he is the one changing himself to become attractive. TRP shows us quite clearly that women are not flexible about what they are attracted to.

Woman fundamentally understand that any perfect man they meet can instantly become unattractive with just a couple of words

Fickle is the word you were looking for, not flexible. Women are fickle.

[–]kidjs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is exactly why the Gold Digger prank and the Fame Digger prank actually happened.

[–]HeelsDownEyesUp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've never met a woman who actually does that, but I hear about them all the time. Mostly from women.

City/suburban women, more often? I find this kind of bullshit among city or suburban women in my peer group (19+ years old), not nearly as often in country, rural, or older women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lmao can you make that your signature?

I've never a woman like this, but I hear about them all the time. Mostly from women. ---Archwinger.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (2 children)

She was heading down that road then bailed out at the last moment after she realized she was basically claiming AF/BB. Seemed to me she wanted some mutant Beta Fucks. Good luck with that. Wouldn't the world be happier if 5/10 women just stuck to the 5/10 men instead of saturating the top 20% market?

[–]Glenwalk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Part of the problem is that most girls are in the top 20% when they're 17-21. And the top 20% of guys are willing to fuck them until they slip down to the 50th percentile when they turn 25.

So it's not really the girls fault for not appraising their value- guys are giving them in accurate feedback

[–]FortunateBum 85 points86 points  (18 children)

To add to that, I just want to mention my own experience.

In my life and work, I get to know a lot of people. Whenever I meet a guy who's really nice, awesome to hang out with, and just overall a good friend and person, he always has problems with women. He can never get laid.

Whenever I meet a guy who's a jerk, who is so awful you don't even want to spend 5 minutes in a room alone with, he has absolutely no problem with women. Like zero.

It's almost uncanny just how often this happens.

[–]palaceposy6706 25 points26 points  (8 children)

So true. When they do finally "find someone and settle down", the relationship tends to be... "asymmetrical", as in she's a bridge troll.

[–]UmphreysMcGee 35 points36 points  (6 children)

My best friend did this. Was a virgin until his late 20's and married the first girl who fucked him. She treats him like a child, literally. If we make plans to go grab a few beers, she insists on dropping him off and picking him up. He has to ask for permission before he can make plans. If he gets a 3 day weekend, that means he's going to spend it visiting her parents.

It's fucking pathetic, but he'll eventually figure things out the hard way and I'll be there to help him pick up the pieces.

[–]yarow12 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Why not let him know how the relationship looks from your perspective and clue him in on what's wrong with it?

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    [–]yarow12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If you say "Hey man, why do you let her treat you like a child?" he would justify her actions as some shit like "Oh she just wants to know where I am at all times, I don't mind because I love her"

    Then flip it. "Does she always tell you where she is?"

    I get that it's difficult, though. He may become angry. Worst case scenario, she finds out you're pulling him away and sees you as a threat. At that point, you're fucked.

    [–]copralalic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Not a good plan. Never works.

    [–]FerrusMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Most people are completely unprepared to be unplugged. It's hard enough when you take the red pill willingly.

    [–]ilphae 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Oh god, I hate seeing that. I lose any shred of respect I had for the bros virtues when I see his mate selection and low-status in the relationship.

    [–]1whatsazipper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    In my life and work, I get to know a lot of people. Whenever I meet a guy who's really nice, awesome to hang out with, and just overall a good friend and person, he always has problems with women. He can never get laid.

    On the surface, I see some deviation from this, but not really. Whenever I meet these guys, if they are getting laid, it's with women solidly below them in terms of physical attractiveness (e.g. muscular men with good facial aesthetics dating a plain 6). Behavior can make all the difference for men, as most of us know already.

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        [–]ancientwiz 29 points30 points  (3 children)

        You gotta love how bitches can have their cake and eat it too in this country. They get to fuck whoever they want and even if the bf/hubby tried to stop it, "well fuck you, get out of 'my' house and I'll be expecting my check(s) in the mail."

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 11 points12 points  (2 children)

        AF/BB is now legally enforceable

        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        It has been since the 70's, we have just started noticing it in the last few years.

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        We understand what's going on now. Partly TRP, partly internet, partly women being more open about it.

        It's time it ended.

        [–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (7 children)

        To give it a personal touch, back when I was firmly rooted as a BP a girl once told me "you will make a great husband but not a good boyfriend". That sentence has ever since stuck with me. That was when I realised what girls saw in me. Provider. Thats it. I was an emotional dumping ground where they could come and talk how hard it is to be with their alpha boyfriend and how they totally want to leave them but just cant. Shit I was shit. At least now im on the path of self improvement. I cringe whenever I think of that moment.

        [–]yarow12 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Been there before, mate. Not fully out of it yet.

        [–]Areimanes 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        I've heard a girl say that to a good friend of mine a couple of years ago when she met him.

        He's a great guy. Very smart, decent looks, 6'4'', but at the time he was beta as fuck and caught severe oneitis for this behemoth.

        She was chubby, good face, great tits, daddy issues, and she had no prospects whatsoever. A liberal arts degree from a shitty university.

        He would've given up everything for her at the time, because he was in love.

        Fast forward to today: he's currently finishing his PhD at a top 5 university in the world and already has jobs lined up at Fortune 50 companies. She's stuck in a menial job.

        But at least she got to ride the carousel for a few more years!

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Yeah thankfully the girl who said this to me I didnt hang around her after this. Got the fuck out of there

        [–]Insipid_Xerxes 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I wholeheartedly agree. A girl I liked in high school once told me "I like you, Insipid_Xerxes. I could see myself marrying someone like you someday." That was four to five years ago. She has two kids with a guy who has had troubles with the law now. I've been working on myself ever since. It's a constant process.

        [–]TekkomanKingz 24 points25 points  (3 children)

        Society has been telling men for nearly 20 years that they want them to be sensitive, emotionally available, connected to their partner, etc. And what's the end result? A dead bedroom, a divorce, and your ex-wife finding "a real man" to fuck her brains out while you pay child support/alimony to woman who thinks your pathetic and children you don't get to see.

        To the casual observer this seems all rather deliberate. To an alien capable of logical thought he would reach the same conclusion upon seeing gender relations in the West. It's very hard to not return to the anger phase to a certain degree when we see these news articles highlighting that which is a huge coincidence in the way Women act similarly at best, and at worst the thought that this is all being done in concert and collusion, led by a magnificent fucklord of an orchestrator.

        [–]the_red_scimitar 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        Oh, way longer. This really started hitting in the late 60's, and became a huge theme in the 70's. Not with the cocaine and disco crowd, so much as the counter-culture.

        [–]TekkomanKingz 17 points18 points  (1 child)

        And of course the cocaine and disco crowd was scapegoated in the "fall of family values" when in reality it was the feminists who launched the primary attack.

        [–]whataboutudummy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        Sigmund Freud warned his woman of the dangers of a big strong man on cocaine ravishing her (he was referring to himself). Fun fact.

        [–]VegasHostTre 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        androgynous men were stealing their good girls? more like picking up discarded scraps

        [–]qwertyleftme 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Thanks for posting that archive. It helps me with reprogramming. This coercive programming towards the feminized man is ever pervasive. It reflects on every man. TRP!

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          [–]1jb_trp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          If I was that guy I wouldn't want to meet someone else. Just plates or MGTOW.

          [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 82 points83 points  (5 children)

          There’s a myth floating around the manosphere about the “good alpha.” A guy who’s hot, charming, successful, interesting, smart, funny, and most important of all, a great leader. Not a fake Red Pill alpha, but a real alpha. A guy who isn’t just out for himself, but a guy who genuinely cares about others, brings others up, and makes others feel good. A perfect-ten human.

          These real alphas, who were most often born and raised that way and never needed a creepy internet cult like us to learn how to be men, are admirably human, and the complete opposite of everything we evil Red Pillers teach. They’re not aloof and indifferent – they’re engaging, compassionate, and concerned! They don’t stonewall and tease – they earnestly communicate! They’re not stoic and emotionless – they’re open and honest and their emotions captivate you and make you like them even more! And they’re not perfect – they’re human, but they own their flaws and mistakes and admit them readily, because that’s being a real man.

          I’ve actually never met a man like this, but I hear about them all the time. Mostly from women.

          This kind of leadership is not a characteristic of a leader. It's a characteristic of a particular relationship between one particular leader, and one or more followers, in a given situation.

          The what is being described here is not a different style of leadership, but a particular relationship where positivity dominates, as a result of successful leadership. This is an effect, not a cause.

          A patriarch who is firmly in control of his household, and is automatically respected and obeyed, has more leeway to be positive, open, honest, benevolent, straightforward. This is an effect of his greater leadership skills, but only insofar as he makes it possible by creating order, harmony, and cooperation, using Machiavellian means if necessary.

          This is also why many of the dating tactics of the past, which we explicitly reject ("gentlemanly" behaviour, flowers, etc) came about... they are artifacts of a gentler time, when men were not seen as low-value by default... and thus they could demonstrate more emotional investment without having it taken for thirsty desperation.

          TL;DR: The "good alpha" that women idealize is precisely the animal they hunted to the brink of extinction. When masculinity is welcomed with less hostility, only then will masculinity be less hostile.

          [–]RedHeimdall 23 points24 points  (2 children)

          men... not seen as low-value... could demonstrate more emotional investment

          Yes sir. This relates to the point I want to make, which is a counter or at least an addendum to OP's argument...

          My TLDR - If the relationship context is solidly in your favor, in which both parties know you are clearly above her in the power dynamic, you have little or nothing to fear from occasional doses of beta.

          I have "opened up" and shown a lot of emotion to GFs in the past, in particular some of my weakest, most vulnerable, depressed and miserable moments, and I suffered no ill consequences for doing so.

          In fact, I think it was good for both of us. They helped me get through some tough times... in particular one ex-GF who helped me get through the toughest period of my life and without whom I don't know if I would have made it. And these girls ate it up, they were eager to play the motherly nurturing role and from what I can tell became more smitten with me afterwards, not less.

          HOWEVER, I do not think this is because I'm a magnet for special snowflakes. What has not been discussed yet in either my post or OP's is context.

          The context of my LTRs has been one in which the girls were more invested than I was, in which the girls were more into me and into the relationship than I was into them or into the relationship. If they had left, I could have found another equally attractive girl to take their spot very quickly, and we both knew this. My SMV was at least equal to theirs, more likely higher in all cases. And there was never any question about who wore the pants in any of these relationships.

          That being the context, there really was no danger in me occasionally "showing some beta." In fact, as I said I think they honestly liked it, they enjoyed the chance to be motherly for a change. (Key point there being that it was a change, that it was an occasional temporary departure from the norm.)

          OP's advice (the standard TRP advice on this topic) does not get into relationship context because it is meant to be general, it is meant to be a "better safe than sorry" generalized rule of thumb. And I wouldn't disagree with that.

          What I'm saying though is that the danger that comes with showing weakness or vulnerability only exists in a relationship context where the girl has a low opinion of you or is on the fence about you. If the relationship context is solidly in your favor, in which both parties know you are clearly above her in the power dynamic, you have little or nothing to fear from occasional doses of beta.

          If the power dynamic is unclear, if you think you might not have an accurate assessment of the relationship context, or if you think there is any possibility that your girl is merely on the fence about you, then yes it is better to be safe than sorry and you should follow the standard advice and remain stoic.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Excellent points both from Whisper and RedHeimdall. I've experienced deeper bonding over sharing genuine life challenges with quality women, and also what felt like heartfelt moments turned against me by petty, small-minded women of insecure and poor character.

          When considering an LTR, I've found a useful test before opening up about serious matters. Confess some petty vulnerability or minor peccadillo, and see if it gets used by her to mutually increase intimacy with you, or turns it against you which will happen sooner rather than later. Don't be fooled by the minor content of the chosen subject matter; consider it a strong sign of how she will handle more serious life matters, and an important indicator of her character.

          [–]Redrog1 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          This is incredibly insightful.

          Women only see the results not the actions that lead there, and assume the results they see are what created the situation.

          Without respect there is no love, but respect has to come first, even between male friendships.

          [–]1KyfhoMyoba 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Women only see the results not the actions that lead there,

          That's why Rollo says that women want a man the "Just Gets It".

          [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 112 points113 points  (20 children)

          "I hear about them all the time. Mostly from women."

          You could sum up plugged-in thought with that one phrase. Hell, we could probably make a meme out of it.

          "Women love men who do the dishes and vacuum the carpets!"

          I hear about these women all the time. Mostly from women.

          [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 78 points79 points  (8 children)

          Women do love men who do the dishes and vacuum the carpet.

          In the same sense that I love wild-caught salmon with soy-miso glaze, or my favorite pair of shoes.

          [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 66 points67 points  (6 children)

          And ironically enough, if your a do the dishes and vacuum the carpet guy, the way she fucks you, it will be like fucking a dead wet fish.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

          studies have shown that the divorce rates are higher in couples where housework is split equally between the man and the woman, and div rate is even higher in couples where the man did all the housework.

          women can't respect a guy who is doing something womanly, it's as simple as that. Even if they don't realize it, it's what happens. They don't want to fuck a maid, they don't want to fuck another woman. They want to fuck a man, and men don't waste time going around dusting bookshelves and shit.

          [–]dennislang 8 points9 points  (2 children)

          What a great piece of evidence to suggest straying from gender roles is a bad plan. Can you find the source?

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          don't know about divorce, but it is it is inversely correlated with sex frequency http://www.asanet.org/journals/ASR/Feb13ASRFeature.pdf

          [–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          Exactly. I love these things, but I don't want to fuck them.

          [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          That's probably why betas wait for things to happen to them. They'll meet the girl. The girl will turn around and love him. They just have to stick to their principles. They have this vivid view of an abstract concept. That concept is so omnipresent in the feminist narrative that it must just be an enormous stroke of luck that the poor beta hasn't run into one. It must be very rare that someone never meets those women. Surely he's the anomaly and it's incredibly unlikely that it'll persist forever.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 7 points8 points  (4 children)

          Hehe I seen somewhere on like one of those things you hang in the kitchen for laughs...

          No Woman ever killed a man when he was doing the dishes

          [–]copralalic 5 points6 points  (3 children)

          That's because he's the epitome of an unthreatening male. He inspires no strong feelings at all.

          [–]Espiritu13 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          Because he does the dishes?

          I've done the dishes because I'm bored but don't want to be socially irresponsible and leave a conversation. It's because I hate holding still and want to move and have noticed the most positive response is doing the dishes out of boredom. This has always been a part of who I am, to keep physically moving as part of my ADHD.

          Is there really no room for someone to serve another in the red pill? I do the dishes because I fucking want clean dishes, or because I'm a guest in someone's house and it's the cheapest way to show appreciation. Why is that so beta?

          [–]copralalic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I do the dishes because I fucking want clean dishes

          It's not the "what", it's the "why". It's always the why that matters. If you're doing them because you want to, then it's a good thing. If you're doing them because she browbeat or whined you into doing it, it's a bad thing.

          Studies have shown that marriages with even split or more housework done by the male have a higher divorce rate. I don't think it's the housework, though; I think it's the "why" of the housework.

          [–]Espiritu13 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          I think that makes more sense. No, especially when she tells me to clean, then I hand the dishes off to her. It's a service out of kindness because that's how I function, I definitely do not do it because I'm commanded to.

          [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Choreplay is a feminine operative social convention:

          http://therationalmale.com/2013/01/30/choreplay/

          It is the sex carrot indentured Blue Pill men are encouraged to believe in order to subjugate them.

          [–]garlicextract 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          This is a great meme already.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorDoxasticPoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          That's my new favorite one-liner

          [–]the_red_scimitar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Yeah. I have a couple of plates now cleaning my place and doing gardening. They are very happy.

          [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 156 points157 points  (5 children)

          Do you know why women watch Jerry Springer, reality TV, Judge Judy, and whatever the fuck else is out there airing the dregs of humanity, while reading tabloids explaining in graphic detail how celebrities and the royal family are every bit as fucked up and human as we are? Because people like seeing weakness in others. It makes them feel better about themselves without having to make any effort to actually be better.

          This is a very astute observation, and you've tied it together beautifully with the overarching theme of your post.

          Sexual dimorphism has afforded women the luxury of choosing to be underachieving and lazy. She will always be valuable, even if she accomplishes nothing with her life, simply because she is the bottleneck in reproduction.

          Men do not have this luxury. We must be constantly striving, constantly improving, and never revealing weakness or doubt, lest we appear or become inferior to our competition.

          Another home run, /u/Archwinger.

          [–]Vigilo_Infinite 39 points40 points  (0 children)

          These women might hold value but that doesn't mean they're happy. In fact, I'd say that lack of boundaries and a sense of any accomplishment in ones life might make someone incredibly unhappy.

          They will never be truly respected by anyone. When they lose their good looks and people stop taking notice of them they will so discontented that they will destroy everything valuable to them and divorce their husbands.

          They will become bitter and simple.

          Great men are forged in fire through toil and torment. Remember that.

          [–]stevredpill 84 points85 points  (1 child)

          Best takeaway from the post is this:

          ...never show weakness. You’ll make her like you, but you’ll make her fuck me.

          The concept that a girl can genuinely like a man but not want him sexually is something that many BPillers don't grasp.

          Ironically, when we were kids, girls told us all the time:

          "Hey Stevredpill, I like you, but I don't like like you."

          As always Archwinger, great post.

          [–]whataboutudummy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          That's not ironic. In fact, it's the opposite. Point taken, nonetheless.

          [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 28 points29 points  (1 child)

          If I was a woman, I'd absolutely want men to reveal their weaknesses and sensitivities. So that those unfit individuals can be instinctively disqualified from mating as soon as possible by me.

          Yes men, you should do it...it's very attractive to us women, also it's very attractive when men do the dishes without ever being asked and buy expensive things for their lady to surprise her. It's super panty-dropping sexy when a man takes on responsibility for his woman's children that aren't his blood, as though they were his own. Because they're part of her, and that's love. But remember that the most attractive trait is when a man knows his woman is always right and she always comes first.

          Bitch, really? Goddamn they are hilariously adorable solipsists.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This all makes sense. One can't hate women for doing that, they are just taking advantage of idiots. That's what humans do anyway.

          [–]zpatriarchy 79 points80 points  (21 children)

          If you need to cry, lock the door. If you’re injured, disabled, have cancer or a mental illness – that’s between you and your doctor. Hell, join a support group and meet guys.

          this is very true. when i went through chemo, my ex-gf was the one crying & i had to comfort her (!) but that bish still cheated on me when i was going through radiation. she saw me being weak & left me as soon as i got a clean bill of health.

          now i never let on that i feel bad or that i'm sad about something. they have to force me to rest when i'm sick, then they turn into a good little nurse.

          [–]midatlantic32 53 points54 points  (6 children)

          In a 12 month period when my mother died and then a guy who was like my brother died, I was at my weakest. I cried in front of my LTR. I asked her to help me through my depression and grief. Know how she responded? You guessed it; running into the arms of another man.

          Even if people are dying, never cry in front of women. Weep in private.

          Tears don't lubricate...they dry that pussy up faster than Ghandi's sandals.

          [–]peoplearejustpeople9 12 points13 points  (0 children)

          It's because tears are salty and salt dehydrates. Fact.

          [–]imthemanyesiam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The last time I heard from my (ex)gf, we were almost blackout drunk together and for some reason we were crying together... and i havent heard from her since

          [–]LifeAtPeace 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          When I was down and depressed, I asked my gf of 2.5 years if she can take care of me for a month. He response was 'yes' and I felt so happy. But the next morning, she sent an email that she cannot be with me and cut all contact. That is how women are. We have to accept it.

          [–]flexiblehold 27 points28 points  (4 children)

          The Bluepill Farm System:

          1) Mom is an alpha widow who has now settled down with a beta-bux to raise a family. As she raises her son, her hamster has her teach him to be non-threatening to women. Through this she exorcises her alpha demons, her cthonic urge to be choked and dominated by someone who would never settle with, love or commit to her.

          2) Dad, being beta, sets a poor example for his son.

          3) Son emulates Mom and Dad's relationship when he enters the sexual world as a young man, he is submissive, deferential, meek and indecisive with the women he meets, he puts them on a pedestal, he operates from the conditioned fear Mom has instilled in him, from the example Dad has set: to never offend or humiliate or degrade or ignore or be supercilious to a woman.

          4) At this point the road forks: Son may swallow the red pill and slowly, painfully unravel a lifetime of brainwashing to become successful with women -- or he may stay the course and wind up like Dad: in a sexless, unhappy marriage.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Sadly what you describe is the best case scenario. Most don't even have an imitation father figure.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 20 points21 points  (2 children)

          I’ve actually never met a man like this, but I hear about them all the time. Mostly from women. So many women think they’re dating awesome guys. Six months later, I’m usually told that these guys turn into assholes.

          This is the halo effect in action. Women will attribute what they consider to be good (or comfort-building as OP describes them) characteristics to men to whom they are attracted. The men who actually have these comfort-building characteristics? Ironically, women are not as attracted to them, so the men who actually have these characteristics won’t be gushed-over like the alphas.

          Now you do need some comfort-building characteristics to make a LTR work, so that’s why many of these guys “turn into assholes” eventually. The ideal strategy for an alpha who wants an LTR is to appear pure alpha at the start and slowly introduce these comfort-building characteristics as they are needed long-term, especially during comfort shit tests.

          [–]skoobled 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          That's because the alpha builds real comfort by destroying all hindrances in his path. Women don't want emotional security, they want you to build real physical security for them. Emotional security comes from knowing you won't be eaten by wolves

          [–]the_red_scimitar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          I see this as simple projection, and is exacerbated by oneitis (whether in a woman or a man). The problem with seeking "the one", is that when one meets a candidate, one will tend to aggressively interpret their behaviors as compliant with what one expects from "the one". And yes, in my experience, it takes about 6 months to discover (or, really, accept) the variances from that ideal.

          [–]colovick 19 points20 points  (3 children)

          This idea of a "good alpha" isn't the unicorn you seem to dance around calling it.

          Something I learned about frame is that it's a poker face. Most people learn stoic and distant for their poker face because that's standard and easy and works for almost everyone. But if you ever watched Texas Holdem on the world series, you'll be familiar with a guy named Daniel Negreanu.

          He's very outgoing and personable at the tables, but he doesn't show weakness, only searches for it in others. His poker face is hosting behind a carefully constructed wall of emotion and personality, and this works just as well, if not better than, the stoic eye averting norm. It's also a lot harder to pull off, but when it works, it works amazingly well.

          Feel free to look up reruns if you need a visual.

          [–]UmphreysMcGee 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          Poker tells stem from either a lack of confidence or an overabundance of it. It's all about finding that equilibrium. If you are going to play a hand, be confident in it, but not so confident that you're unwilling to recognize and fold a losing hand.

          I'm sure there's a red pill analogy in their somewhere.

          [–]kirbymaster7491 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I think that is the analogy.
          Though in my limited experience on this sub most of the guys seem to go in for a "bang 'em and leave 'em" approach even on the losing prospects.

          [–]Niordd 14 points15 points  (2 children)

          Totally agreed with not showing your weakness - don't do this guys. EVER.

          Once I thought I felt in love and everything seemed to look perfect. She seemed to look perfect. I showed my weakness once and ask her for a support - not only did i not get it, but it also totally trashed her respect for me.

          You are on your own in this journey, just face it, accept it and take joy from it.

          One thing I ma not sure I agree is that part of being a friend to her. I would say that if you want a LTR you need to be a little friend (but from her perspective, never treat her as a friend, even if she will ask if you had a hard day).

          Thanks for this post, good stuff!

          [–]foldpak111 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I believe it's okay to admit to your SO that you had a rough day. But follow it by saying you wouldn't have it any other way though with a smirk. An alpha loves a challenge.

          [–]LifeAtPeace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This is good. It shows how strong you can be.

          [–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (7 children)

          If you take women at their word, Reddit’s chock-full of women with exceptionally high libidos who soak through their panties every five minutes thinking about their skinny, laid back, underachieving, nerdy, overemotional boyfriends that can barely keep up with them sexually.

          I’ve never met a woman like this, but I hear about them all the time.

          This has been the weirdest thing for me about /r/askwomen and related subs. All of those women are ten years older than their spouses, have exceptionally high unsatisfiable libidos, make 5X has much as their SO, have a blog about sex toys, and still have time to get shit done in terms of hobbies and interests.

          Unless of course, they're all lying sacks of projecting shit. They're not describing themselves or their ideal self. They're describing they're ideal spouse. The only ones women can truly respect are the strong alpha males so in order to climb to the pack of the all female pecking order of those subs, they pretend to be those strong alpha males and it's just weird as fuck. Sometimes I think circles of female friends are just beta orbiting each other. They can't respect each other for the same reason they can't respect beta males but they're endlessly supplicative to the point of trigger warnings, never disbelieving another's stories, and group think politics taking place within an echo chamber.

          They constantly sit their with low self esteem because they know they'll never have that alpha male role they crave and it's ingrained deep within women's psyche to never accept anything other than the best. Despite having the easiest gender role imaginable, endless rights, and no significant amount of obligation, they can't have it as well as the men they fuck so they literally feel oppressed and spend they're days making shit up on the internet while kissing each other's asses endlessly.

          A wise man will do anything in his power not to be that thing these women pretend they aren't. Their uterus allows them to get away with it but red pill men know better than to try and get away with it ourselves. Projecting their desires of what they want in a man, these women know better than to let each other know that they are what they are. Red pill men should be learning that lesson too. We cannot be what feminists refuse to let each other know they are. The only difference is that we actually need to succeed at differentiating ourselves from it because we're not getting a pussy pass.

          [–]FortunateBum 15 points16 points  (3 children)

          Yeah, women always say this about themselves. They are all horny all the time and want to fuck all the time.

          The real reason they're saying it is because they're so self-conscious and anxious of the tiny bit of sexual desire they do have. In their minds, this tiny flaw is amplified like a crazy person being obsessed with a barely visible scar on their face.

          [–]fake7272 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          they are horny all the time. as in, If brad pitt or their favorite sports player walks in, all of a sudden they are horny. They are horny and want sex, just from the top 10 percent of guys. everyone else makes them dry as shit. Thats why everyone thinks women dont want sex.

          [–]SilentForTooLong 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          Ya'll meet shitty women. I've been with tons of women that were horny all the time, literally all of the time. I've never been in a relationship where sex wasn't a daily given at a bare minimum, and even that was not enough for some of them.

          The female body feels probably around 100x the sexual pleasure of the male body...why wouldn't they be horny all the time?

          [–]CptDefB 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Hormones.

          Autobot... I'm looking at you... roll out of my one word comment.

          [–]the_red_scimitar 25 points26 points  (7 children)

          There is no surer way to end a properly sexual relationship than to show such weaknesses. Whether physical, mental, emotional, women will show "sympathy", and next you, sexually, pretty much immediately.

          Even the most self-aware, RPW type will do this (I've experience with that one). Sorry, RPWs - but while the effort is appreciated, you still have those genetically embedded sexual needs and strategy.

          [–]paynehouse 41 points42 points  (11 children)

          Is anyone else tired of living like this? Who the hell wants to be stoic; emotionless? No one. Don't be if you don't want to be. Just make sure you tell your woman that it's the way you want your relationship to go.

          I know a guy who's 100% alpha but he likes to be a nice guy. It's enjoyable for him. Rather, he doesn't like being a shit person. His SO originally did not like this as she probably interpreted it as weakness. He sat her down one day and told her that this is how the relationship was going to go. That he enjoyed being nice and caring for her and if she was going to be immature about it then she could leave.

          The most attractive quality to a woman is a man who does what he wants to do and doesn't take BS for doing it. You can still be a human and be Red Pill. You can still be human and get women.

          Being stoic only works so well because it's what women think is alpha. If you tell her your ways are alpha and take control, then she will think your ways are alpha.

          [–]UmphreysMcGee 22 points23 points  (2 children)

          Being nice is fine. Being frequently vulnerable isn't. Now, I don't buy into the RP overkill concept that if you shed a single tear in front of a woman she'll immediately lose all attraction and run off to fuck Chad Thundercock. There are instances where not showing emotion is frankly creepy. If your mother dies and you show a moment of humanity in front of a female you're fucking, everything will be fine. Women are attracted to men, not zombies.

          [–]LukesLikeIt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          They don't mind seeing your weakness. They don't want to be dependant on them.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Stoic works and is advocated because 99% of guys are taught to be emotional whores and a dose of stoicism is the solution.

          [–]1whatsazipper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Being stoic only works so well because it's what women think is alpha. If you tell her your ways are alpha and take control, then she will think your ways are alpha.

          Women subconsciously assess it as alpha. There is no conscious decision making in genuine attraction. You're not going to reason your way into alternatives.

          Women can be attracted to nice men, but only if it's coming from a position of power. That's also quite different from showing weakness or vulnerability, which are far more likely to annihilate attraction.

          [–]randombrodude 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Pretty much this.

          Really, I think this post is bullshit. Why? Well like so many other posts here, this totally frames the value of a man and his "alphaness" around women rather than the man himself. Even worse, it frames how a man should act around women's feelings. Since when do women's feelings about men's feeling take precedence over those men's actual feelings? Basically, it says "be stoic and emotionless because women won't like you if you're too weak. Men who are open with themselves emotionally are just beta." Really, OP just misses the distinction between the concept of the "good alpha" he talks about and a "red pill-alpha". The "good alpha", "true man", or whatever else you want to call it is alpha because that's how HE likes to be. It has nothing to do with women or how they treat him. The kind of alpha that OP endorses is all framed around finding validation from women, by being someone that it's tiring to be.

          Real alphas don't have to hide their feelings, they either exercise control over them or accept them. Either way, they don't bottle them inside just to be successful with chicks.

          From personal experience, your friend did the right thing. When opening up to girls about your feelings how you frame it is what's important. Yeah, you don't say "I'm so vulnerable blah blah", you say "This is how I feel, you can accept it or not but I'm going to own it either way."

          [–]Wolfgang985 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I agree, and can relate, with this comment more than any others here.

          From my experience, the Alpha / RedPill mindset is flawless during the initial stages of attracting a woman and/or maintaining relationships with "fuck buddies". That said, if there comes a point in time when you are contemplating a serious relationship with a girl, you have to show your interest in keeping that relationship while still maintaining your dominance.

          The latter statement is the most common mistake I always made when I used to date. I would get soft and let my guard down as soon as the relationship started to develop. This caused the girl to question being with me (Obviously out of weakness), and ultimately end the relationship.

          [–]paynehouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Exactly. Spot on.

          I had a conversation about this with my brother not too long ago and we basically came up with the exact conclusion as you just stated. The beginning stages are definitely where you need to prove that you're alpha. After that your girl is going to want to see some human in you.

          [–]tat_guy_says_what 27 points28 points  (6 children)

          You’ll make her like you, but you’ll make her fuck me.

          This line is GOLD

          [–]Hoodwink 11 points12 points  (3 children)

          If that line was in a movie trailer, I think I would see it.

          [–]UmphreysMcGee 12 points13 points  (2 children)

          I'm picturing late 90's Brad Pitt delivering this line while casually eating an apple or something.

          [–]Hoodwink 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          I can see the trailer - "The Artist" (as in pick-up artist). A dark comedy about women.

          [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Why receive her emotional affections, when you can experience her sexual indiscretions.

          [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Why receive her emotional affections, when you can experience her sexual indiscretions.

          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          Reminds me of the Book of Pook:

          A servant you'll be, a friend she'll see.

          Respect is all.

          [–]yarow12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I've been that person so many times. That's a great way to put it.

          [–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          When your woman is feeling low, she’ll try to access your “human” side, whether that’s trying to make you angry, trying to make you sad, trying to make you horny, trying to make you apologize or admit something – she wants you to reveal a chink in your armor, because she feels bad about herself and needs you to look more human so she knows she’s still good enough for you. That chink in your armor means she still has some control over you.

          Seen this so many times in my relationships. I'm getting better at not playing into it. I'm gonna have to put that in the sidebar of my head!

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          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

          from your story i am thinking he was taught never to show weakness. if that guy had have been raised in the projects of south central to crackhead parents i doubt he would have been such "a natural"

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            [–]CptDefB 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            I love the downvote.

            "It's not luck, brah! You just gotta lift and maintain frame, brah!"

            Is Animal Farm still on High School curriculums? It really should be. Then again, with how things are going, I wouldn't at all be surprised if it has been removed.

            [–]yarow12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I read Animal Farm at a charter school in 8th grade and How to Kill a Mocking Bird, The Crucible, Beowulf, and others in high school. That was almost a decade ago. I have no clue what's going on with the public education system now.

            [–]4delicioustreats 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            Unfortunately the poor are rewarded for showing weakness. The weakest, poorest, most downtrodden get the best govt help.

            I saw a documentary where a guy was excited he had got AIDS-- it meant the govt would pay for his healthcare and housing...

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            up is down, black is white and 2+2=5 in the consensus reality

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            I was groomed to be just like that. But I dropped out of college to do a web startup and fucked my career up pretty thoroughly.

            Don't be like me, kids!

            [–]GregariousWolf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Not a fake Red Pill alpha, but a real alpha. A guy who isn’t just out for himself, but a guy who genuinely cares about others, brings others up, and makes others feel good. A perfect-ten human.

            Women describing a manicorn.

            [–]KettleMeetPot 24 points25 points  (19 children)

            These real alphas, who were most often born and raised that way and never needed a creepy internet cult like us to learn how to be men, are admirably human, and the complete opposite of everything we evil Red Pillers teach. They’re not aloof and indifferent – they’re engaging, compassionate, and concerned! They don’t stonewall and tease – they earnestly communicate! They’re not stoic and emotionless – they’re open and honest and their emotions captivate you and make you like them even more! And they’re not perfect – they’re human, but they own their flaws and mistakes and admit them readily, because that’s being a real man.

            I have. They stopped being produced a long time ago. I think most of them came from the WW1 and 2 eras. My grandfather was one of them. He was that guy. He could be compassionate and understanding and gentle, but was also the same guy that had on multiple occasions beat the hell out of shitty guys with a baseball bat who were creeping on my mom when she was younger. He was rich in character. I honestly strive to be like him. Cool headed, and deliberate in everything I do. Gentle when needing to be, and alpha as fuck as needed.

            The difference between those types back then and alphas today, they were raised to be alpha. Their work ethic, how they talked to women, and how they treated others was instilled at a young age by other alphas. Most now just go through the motions to be perceived as alpha. I've seen some people in here who confuse being a jerk, with being an alpha. There's a very thin line though, between being a caregiver that has a gentle side and being a whiny little bitch, and that's what I for the most part think TRP tries to separate. Don't be a "bro" just to be alpha. Be something more, someone that is versatile, and can be everything. Well dressed, in shape, hard worker, provider, and emotionless. But also be understanding.

            He was a ladies man. He was a mans man. Well dressed. Well liked. Without being a douche. Without being a pussy.

            That's the difference between then and now. Now you're either too much of a douche or too much of a pussy. I like to think I fall right in the middle. I can say very little to get a woman to want to spend time with me and give it up. I don't have to be condescending.

            [–]UmphreysMcGee 14 points15 points  (12 children)

            My thoughts exactly. My grandfather was incredibly kind, compassionate, and had no problem showing his sensitive side. He treated my Grandmother like his Queen, but you could do that back then and still be seen as wholly Alpha. He was 6'8, handsome as fuck, built like a tank,well educated, and a spectacular athlete. But he was also a huge sappy family man who insisted on adopting 6 kids before having a few more of their own. I've never met a man who commanded so much respect from everyone and my Grandmother had Doe eyes for him until the day he died.

            He had built in advantages most men will never have, but he could also show a side that men today can't afford to show their spouses. It's a shame that feminism and lies perpetuated by the media and pop culture have completely ruined the male/female dynamic for both sexes. Our grandparent's generation had it right.

            [–]KettleMeetPot 10 points11 points  (7 children)

            I completely agree. My grandfather was in signals during ww2. Worked as a telephone lineman for 50 years for Michigan Bell (climbed and installed telephone poles) back when those types of jobs were compensated better than most office jobs. He was pretty much my only father figure in life. Just an example of how well he took care of my grandmother, when he passed we had to teach her how to pump gas. She never wanted for anything. He was, the quintessential "man of the house". All she had to do was exist and be happy and that was enough for him. She also worked her entire life and retired as well. Gold digging women are more atrocious these days. 50+ years married. When he passed, there must have been 300 people at his funeral. People we never knew existed. He made an impact wherever he went and didn't have to gloat about what he had done or what he had. Growing up in the Great Depression and being in Germany and the Czech during WW2 does that to people. Something most people from my moms era, my era, and the extremely self entitled little brats these days will never understand. As time goes on it only gets worse though. Hell, I went through basic in the Army just before the kinder gentler Army started up. When your military has to sensitize itself to conform to the whiny little internet brats born in the late 80's and beyond it's pretty fucking sad.

            I could rant and rave all day, won't change anything. I often think I was born in the wrong era. I always imagine what it would be like to be in the 30's and 40's in a speak easy wearing a fedora (not a trilby) and a pin striped suit smoking a cigar and sipping on a neat whiskey while some dame sings in the back ground. You can't get more fucking alpha than that. Not today.

            [–]yarow12 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            Hell, I went through basic in the Army just before the kinder gentler Army started up. When your military has to sensitize itself to conform to the whiny little internet brats born in the late 80's and beyond it's pretty fucking sad.

            Care to fill me in on what the military was like back then? My grandfather suggested that, if I join the military, I should join the Marine Corps. An acquaintance of mine told me that, when he went to sign up for the Marine Corps, it was a room full of "jar-heads." I'm guessing that things have significantly changed between now and then. Then again, the acquaintance is from Missouri and my grandfather is from Louisiana.

            [–]KettleMeetPot 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            TL;DR - Would you want someone that couldn't handle being cussed at in basic standing next to you while thousands of rounds are being fired at you?

            First and foremost, the intensity and how you're treated in the military is dependent on the MOS, and it's easy to assume which roles are hit the hardest in basic. Infantry, either ground or mechanized which are specific to the Army and the USMC are going to be more intense. The entire goal is to break you down and rebuild you so that in a combat situation where 20 men are shooting at 5 of you, you don't freak out and run away leaving your battle buddies to fend for yourself. The rule of thumb is that we're trained to be able to overcome 4:1 odds. 1 guy vs 4 guys, 1 squad of 5 vs 20 guys, 1 platoon of 20 vs 80. And so on and so on. I joined in 98 and outside of combat MOS they had already started sensitizing the military. The first was no more insults or swearing at soldiers. I think that one started 3/4 of the way through basic for me. We all laughed and so did our drill SGTs and they ignored the order and continued on business as usual. As they should.

            My graduating company out of basic training in Fort Benning was the last class to graduate without female trainees on base. It may seem like a small issue, but I'll get to that later.

            There was more emphasis being put on soldiers feelings. And preventing suicides, which there are a lot of fake injuries to get out, and some suicides but not as many as the rumor mill would produce. Everyone started wanting to be treated as individuals, with feelings instead of actual soldiers.

            Now. With that said, you might ask "well, what's so wrong with that".

            In most MOS's and different branches of the military things work a little different. If you're in the rear filing paperwork or a cook or another MOS that rarely receives bullets or mortar fire, that's fine. I wouldn't expect them to be hardened soldiers ready for combat at a moments notice. But lets get back to where it hurts the most, I'll use the Army as an example since it is my personal experience but applies to the Marines as well as they are quite comparable.

            I was an 11b. Combat infantry. Rangers are 11b's who were selected at their duty station to go to rangers school. Green Berets. 90% of the soldiers you see in the Army or the Marines in the news or in movies storming buildings, in HUMVEES, sitting in blackhawks being transported are combat infantrymen. They eat the bullets and do the killing. When we put "boots on the ground", that's who we're putting on the front line. 11m are infantry as well, they're heavy armor infantrymen. Same as 11b, only after basic their AIT moves on to tanks. They're the mechanized infantry. That is the core of the USMC and the Army. Every Army installation is named after a mechanized or ground infantry or air assault (infantry repelling from blackhawks or jumping out of planes) unit.

            I'm not saying they are any more important than any other MOS, as they all serve a purpose to contribute to the final objective, however infantryman for the longest time carried out the prime directive.

            There's approximately 1.2 million Army personnel currently. Roughly 15-20% of that is combat arms or infantry. That's a huge percentage when you take into account there are approximately 300 different MOS's in the Army, 4 of those attributed to combat MOS's.

            Now, here's where the kinder gentler Army that started showing up at duty stations around 99 and beyond started to affect people like me and the military as a whole.

            Knowing how imperative it is to have a well trained combat arms soldier, think of all the things he's going to encounter if he sees action. Murder, death, children being shot, mass graves, friends heads exploding a foot or less away from him. High levels of stress, anxiety, depression. You've seen the documentaries. You've seen the movies that hardly portray the atrocities of war. Combat MOS's see those up front and personal on a regular basis in wartime. They are the killers, and the "saviors". You don't want someone that had it "easy" in basic training coming to your unit to have your back. You want them hardened, and almost numb to everything around them. All those stories you hear about the Army and USMC boot camp, those are primarily stories from combat MOS's. Most of the drill sgt's have seen combat, so they're entire job, their purpose is to completely break you down to nothing then rebuild you so that when you're on the front line, he knows if he's next to you he can trust you have his back and he has yours later down the road.

            Now some effects that I've seen or have realized after being in the military in a combat MOS. With the mentioning of women training @ Fort Benning which for almost 100 years has served as the home of the infantry, and trained nothing but infantry until the late 90's. As a trainee, I(we) were told to never look at or speak to any women on base. Women work there, soldiers and civilians, but they are no where near the training areas. Sometimes we'd see them. And after a month in basic, I can assure you... you can smell the perfume across the street. It's not anything derogatory, it's to take away that distraction. If you're talking and thinking about that hot chick in uniform you saw the other day, you're not listening to the drill instructor teaching you something that can save your life, your friends life, or the squads life. Now with women training in the next barracks over, how many distractions do you think there are? How many guys might see a chick at the PX when picking up soap and deodorant and tooth paste and they realize, hey, we're in barracks next door to each other and they sneak out and get down and dirty. There's a reason why you're allowed nothing in basic. No candy. No tobacco. Only what they issue you and feed you.

            Another effect that I actually witness first hand, we do live fire exercises. Everything from small scale with a company which is roughly 90 personnel. To live fire exercises that involve entire units, and other branches of the military. I can't explain how awesome it was to be on the big island of Hawaii assaulting a trench with jets flying overhead and shooting rockets at the bunkers and helo's 30 meters above me with dual 50's laying suppressive fire and the brass raining down on my k-pot. It's exhilarating and scary at the same time as EVERYONE has live rounds. One mistake, and a platoon could eat a rocket from a F16. And this is just training. And with active duty, it's a regular cycle. Some people can't handle it. They didn't used to make it through basic. They'd either off themselves, or they'd get injured, or the drill instructors would notice they were off and have them pack their things. Now, they primarily breeze right through. These are the guys like one that I knew that during a live fire exercise freak out, and in the middle of the night take their canteen and walk 10 miles back to their house because they're stressed out. They're also the same guys, who when are actually seeing live action, throw grenades in their buddies tents just so they can "get out of there" because they've got no other option (a few news stories back when we went into Iraq were just that, friendly fire). I've been in training missions where we were falling back to meet up with the rest of the platoon, and my buddies rifle was so hot from firing so many rounds that they literally cooked off, 1 went off and hit between my legs, another went off to the right of my foot, and when he dropped the mag and emptied the chamber to stop it, a 3rd hit the ground and went off, who knows where that shot towards. Most "normal" civilians can't handle that kind of stress. They freak out. And that's just training. That's not complete chaos storming a building with 30 men shooting and firing rockets back at you. And yet, people still make it through, and freak out. Do you want those people there with you?

            I wouldn't call basic "hard". If you're a survivor, don't take things personally, and are ok being without your family for long periods of time... it's really not that difficult. Unless you're an idiot, or a smartass like me. If I enjoyed having every aspect of my life controlled, and agreed with our military actions abroad, I could have easily been a lifer. I did my enlistment and noped the fuck out. Another reason was new recruits that seemed "softer". That expected life to be a vacation once they got to their duty station. It's not. You have more freedom than basic, but you're still in a combat MOS, and you still have to uphold higher standards than everyone else or they'll chew you up and spit you out. And those are the people I absolutely did NOT want to be in an actual combat situation with, because if I have to carry your weight during training cycles, odds are I'd have to in a combat situation which I wouldn't do for someone like that. I'd have their back, but if they didn't have mine because they couldn't hack it and breezed through in basic, I'm going to leave them behind. You hear about that shit all the time. The weak get eaten alive. And there's no place in combat for the weak. There's just not. Doesn't matter if you're male or female.

            I know it's kind of all over the place, I'm shit at writing, but I hope it kind of answers your question. Take it for what it's worth, as it's my experience and mine alone. But when it comes to having new recruits entering a battlefield, you don't want iffy individuals out there with you.

            [–]yarow12 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Thanks for the explanation. Some of what you said reminded me of Jarhead (2005).

            I have a female acquaintance in the Navy. She had a breakdown of some sort. I didn't probe for details, but she's back out there and enjoying herself (according to Facebook photos of her travels). One thing that a female club member told me is that a male holding a door open for her in the military means they don't respect her and she will never be equal. In another Reddit thread, a female explained that "you're either a bitch, bro, or slut." I'm not sure where we're heading with the equality and feminization thing. It has its pros and cons overall. Hopefully, it doesn't become too abused and ruin entire generations like some people already think it has. Meh.

            I'm glad I didn't join the military. My concern is how it will affect me, the type of person I will become, and the things I'll have to live with.

            [–]KettleMeetPot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Joining has its pros and cons like anything. For the most part it's just a job, with a lot more responsibility depending on the MOS and your age. I was great at what I did. Promoted fast, and was offered ranger school 1.5 years in and e-5 if I made it, under the condition that I re-upped as soon as I got my tab. I didn't plan on being a lifer, so it made sense not to take the spot of someone else who would have really needed/wanted it. I did a 3 year term. And while I wouldn't say it was hard, I am too independent. I question everything, not because I'm a dumbass but because I want to know why. Like, why the fuck am I cleaning this M4 for 5 hours straight in the middle of the night just because you used a Q-tip and in one little crevasse found a speck of dust. Or not being able to quit that "job" and move on my own free will. I think it's the lack of free will now that I think about it. There's none in the military. And I don't work well under the "do as your told" rules of life.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

            Indeed. Today's feminist and beligerent women are undeserving of true alphas. That's why they no longer exist. True Alphas are like the disillusioned super heroes in "The Watchmen". These days it pays better to be the villain.

            [–]UmphreysMcGee 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            What's interesting is that my grandmother was always very independent. She is an atheist (my grandfather was a staunch Catholic), started and ran her own business, and marches to the beat of her own drum. My grandfather never tried to control her, but he didn't need to because despite being considered "liberated" for her time, she had very traditional, conservative family and relationship values. She was raised to respect men, respect her husband, and she always did. Having 8 kids, there have been plenty of instances where she has tried giving her adult sons relationship advice, and she can't seem to understand that relationships like hers was no longer exist because of modern feminist ideals.

            [–]Styrac 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            This. I have grandparents who take pride in being loyal. I still think that women can be brought up to be GOOD women. The default RP mentality, whilst mostly correct for the current generation of western women, seems to ignore this. AWALT etc. I find it overly pessimistic.

            When you have a daughter, you'd want to raise her right and not perpetuate the same shitty behaviour brought about by feminism by assuming she's just like that, or will be just like that.

            Educate me if I'm wrong. I know (mostly older) women loyal as fuck, so I find it hard to completely buy "AWALT".

            [–]Code_Bordeauxx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Top quality post. Where as most posts in this forum, even the very good ones, usually serve to extend or rephrase sidebar information, this kind of material pushes the very frontier of RP knowledge. Keep it up, much appreciated!

            Definitely some points to take home.

            [–]TechnoL33T 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I'm that guy.

            If she's not out for me, I don't want anything to do with her. I don't care to fuck a girl that's just a bitch trying to get fucked by an attractive guy. There are far more interesting things than sex. If you deny that, kill yourself now, because you're only good for producing offspring that get left out.

            There's nothing wrong with being out for yourself. Your life is yours, but when you're in a ship, the priority is the ship.

            I'm not to be controlled and I'm not out to control. I'm not a piece in a game to be moved. I don't play the game. I move when I feel like moving. Loud music is nice. I know what's right and who's left. I won't be objectified just the same as I won't objectify. The heart wants what it wants. Money doesn't pay the bills.

            PS. I like being smacked by the right girl.

            [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            There’s a myth floating around the manosphere about the “good alpha.” A guy who’s hot, charming, successful, interesting, smart, funny, and most important of all, a great leader. Not a fake Red Pill alpha, but a real alpha. A guy who isn’t just out for himself, but a guy who genuinely cares about others, brings others up, and makes others feel good. A perfect-ten human.

            If you are leading a group this is the perfect image you can have and I indeed know a couple of guys who have this image, although you can see that they clearly do not act in that way if you are able to observe and draw conclusions. There is always a bigger picture, like i.e. their company, involved. These guys are all circling around 40 or are older though.

            It's always about finding the perfect balance with being frugal with your time, attention, energy, resources and effort.

            You only interfer in any way if you sense that you need to in order to keep the group together or stir it into a direction that you view as benefitial for the group and yourself, and ultimately to secure your position as the leader of the group.

            Power means being able to make other people behave in your favour, even if they actually would not behave in that way otherwise. This can be done by either creating that image of the loving patriarch that you painted as a myth, or by applying force and violence mentally and or physically. The problem with the latter is that it can only be executed from a position of superiority and it is only successful short-term and as long as you are able to maintain your position of superiority. The group will replace you with a new leader ASAP if you show weakness in any form and loose said position. The leaders of our so-called democratic society realized this and act accordingly.

            However if a member of given group is trying to occupy you and your assets and is trying to create exclusive or priority access to those you will never allow this and act accordingly.

            In my opinion all of this has very little to do with the fact that women ultimately are ruthless and illoyal creatures who only follow their hypergamy though.

            If you want a friend, make a friend. A guy friend. But if you want a girlfriend who’s eager to please you and wants to fuck your brains out, don’t treat her like a friend, or that’s all she’ll be.

            Couldn't have said it better. I'd maybe just add that you can also always go and get yourself a dog.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Great post! That last sentence is the perfect closer.

            [–]RP_Vergil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            The Next guy is always the better Man, that is until they hit the wall and had to find a beta bux.

            [–]WoodyHarrlesonsAgent 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Very true. People can talk shit about this theory all they want but in the end everybody knows it's true.

            [–]Goldfulgore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I posted a comment a while ago and was down voted as fuck.

            I basically said that you cannot be a nice guy and an alpha. There is no such thing as a good guy alpha. Either you are focusing on your interests or hers. You CANNOT be a nice guy if you are selfish.

            Some people in this community are still delusional about that.

            Good post archwinger. Keep up the good work.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I think I have it figured out now.

            /u/Archwinger is the mythical manosphere icon, "Pook."

            Am I right?

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Masculine attracts feminine. It's always been this way and always will be this way. I've noticed the TV shows and movies made before the horrible mistake of feminism happened show how men are supposed to act. Spend some time watching old B&W western TV shows like The Rifleman or Wanted Dead or Alive and observe how different the male/female interactions were.

            It's happened every time to me with a girl where it feels like she is feeding off my energy and draining the life out of me. It's all about sucking the masculine energy away from me and her using it to fill a void she feels. Your masculinity makes her feel feminine. It's all about those feels. She won't feel feminine when you're weak. If she has to be the leader she won't feel feminine. You must always be in control of yourself and never show weakness. Women are biologically programmed to follow a man's lead.

            They just want to be taken care of as I'm sure you have heard them say; they want someone to call them on their bullsh*t and put them in their place as I'm sure you've heard them say. Think about those two things and think of a little girl in the presence of her father. Is her father going to be a spineless sensitive wimp or is he going to be strong, be the disciplinarian, and lead her? This is what she is looking for in the opposite sex as an adult.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Not even your wife or girlfriend. She’s not on your side either.

            This needs to be drilled into young minds all around. Your wife or LTR is never on your side no matter how much you want them to be. I know this from experience in my beta days. My wife would use every chance to throw me under the bus if it benefited her. Using what I told her to keep in secret, she'd just blurt it out and use the excuse, "well, I didn't think about it that way!"

            [–]rediscover03 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            What a a fucking aweosme post.

            [–]2Overkillengine 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            You’ll make her like you, but you’ll make her fuck me.

            And make her write clickbait blogs about how horrible Red Pillers are and backhandedly mention she "appreciates" her husband.

            Appreciate. Not love, appreciate. Let that sink in. Marinate in it.

            Never fucking forget the lesson; it is damn near suicidal to do so.

            [–]thegr8b8m8 5 points6 points  (2 children)

            Man I just went through this with my wife. She got me to cave and I showed weakness and instead of offering me comfort because I am human I got indignation in return. It made me a bit sad that I can't let my wife see me weak but oh well, nothing I can do to change these creature's I will just keep my weakness sealed away where it belongs.

            [–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Build yourself so that weakness is less and less frequent.

            [–]FerrusMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It is sad, but do you want a woman who is your friend, or a woman who wants to fuck you? You can't have both. One of the most bitter aspects of the red pill.

            [–]vipernick913 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Holy shit. Awesome read. Needed this at the moment! I was just about to show my weakness but after reading this, opted against it. Thanks!

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            So true, gf is the worse person to resolve problems. That weakness she will know will turn against you especially with facebook it can turned in a nightmare when everybody will know on facetrash.

            [–]Buchloe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This post pinpoints exactly the conundrum that's been on my mind all week, as I fight the battle that is maintaining frame in an ltr. Ugh

            [–]Manmore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Funny, before finding TRP I posted in a small pickup forum, and the core idea there was four types of people: warm/cold alpha/beta, where warm alpha was the ultimate goal.

            Also funny was that the guy who got the best result was a cold alpha, saying this warmness is bullshit. Soon he got quite a following, and people who struggled to get results with the "warm alpha" persona very soon got results from his advice instead. Naturally, the mods hated him. He got banned several times and the forums kinda died every time.

            [–]LifeAtPeace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            When your woman is feeling low, she’ll try to access your “human” side, whether that’s trying to make you angry, trying to make you sad, trying to make you horny, trying to make you apologize or admit something – she wants you to reveal a chink in your armor, because she feels bad about herself and needs you to look more human so she knows she’s still good enough for you. That chink in your armor means she still has some control over you.

            This makes perfect sense to me now. Whenever my ex was feeling low, she used to probe me with questions that reveal some personal weakness/ flaw. In fact even a female coworker did this to me last year. She had a shitty marriage.

            [–]paleoman1992 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Totally agree on this one.

            Been lucky in my life,that,at 51 have had all sorts of interactions and relationships with women. To get in the time machine and look back at those moments when i slipped up,the common denominator is when i came out of warrior mode. With the red pill filtration system i peer through,i recall many cringe worthy moments. My x wife per sued me and once my balls were in her purse(explaining where i was, when id be home,who i was with,sharing my ups and downs,….) she lost all respect for me. Same with a long post marriage ltr. Being emotionally available,soft,caving to demands and nagging.Helping with dishes,dusting,chore play. Arrrrrrg! She dried up like the sahara-and would only bang me when i applied some dread game. So,like a mad scientist,i read the periodic table and mix some new chemicals.(this being red pill logic) Fast forward to my new girlfriend: 15 years younger-never text her right back,tell her she's my whore, always mysterious about my whereabouts,tell her "no" a lot,(about stupid ideas,suggestions),let her ask me three times to fix shit at her apartment,hide my ups and downs from her and talk to my smart sister instead. What this does is: makes me stronger and indifferent in her eves. She knows IDGAF. and would,have,launched bad people in my life into outer space. Guys,watch movies made in the 40's and 50's to see how men behaved.They were tough,quiet,outcome independent. You young guys-smack the iron hard and stop being your girls emotional tampon. They talk all day about their feelings. They want you to be tarzan with a life and no nonsense sex drive. Trust me on this one. good luck.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I think many people will take your advice too literally. The problem is weakness, however everybody has weakness. EVERYBODY. There's not an alpha out there that doesn't have weakness.

            Women are looking for men who are strongest in time of adversity. Hence the shit test. How do you handle her worst? Yet how do you handle your own worst?

            Men simply need to value their own growth over a women's opinion of him. And if she walks away from him since she thought he was too weak for her then that's one less women to worry about.

            People who are open to life's biggest challenges and overcoming them end up going the furthest in this game. Sure you get knocked down and shit happens. But it's how you deal with it.

            Who cares if some stupid bitch walks away because she saw you taken down by a wave of life. It's your life and your challenges. She means absolutely nothing compared to the big picture.

            The men who are open to life's biggest challenges where their weakness is exposed end up becoming stronger men. If she's not there then she simply doesn't matter.

            [–]FerrusMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Sorry but bettering yourself is a red pill philosophy, and part of bettering yourself means you become more successful, smart, funny, interesting and show leadership qualities. All of which you list and then claim these are the opposite of what red pill teaches, and even equating it to blue pill??? For someone who is supposed to be red pill endorsed, I was really surprised to read this. The rest of what was written was very much on the mark, especially about women not being someone you can talk to like a friend, and never showing weakness.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            You can have flaws, but they have to be pretend flaws that are actually cool as fuck.

            Like I fucking haaaate the police, I can't help it! I'm human after all! No real weaknesses, though.

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            [–]chronosthetitan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            its not that its weakness, its they perceive your ability to emote as a man as a sign of weakness and thus thin your insecure.

            [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            [–]--Edog-- 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            "While women aren’t your enemy, they’re definitely not on your side either. They’re not your friends, they’re not your confidants, they’re not your safe havens, they’re not your respite. Not even your wife or girlfriend. "

            Great words of wisdom OP!

            After 20 years of marriage i have really learned this shit the hard way...and too late. I wish someone had told me this when I was a younger man. I will definitely share this wisdom... and TRP with both of my sons.

            Tell me if i am way off here but...(.let the ramble begin:)

            I am beginning to think, based on my own experience and reading this sub for the past few months, that all Women are unwittingly the enemy of their romantic relationships: by trying to change you, control you, shit test you, get you to share your feelings and be more enotionally open, on some level they are trying to knock you down a peg and in so doing change the way they see you...and destroy the sexual attraction they have for you. Maybe not conciously...but on some level...that is the game they play, right?

            I wouldn't tempt my wife with junk food night after night to see if she'd get fat...so i could lose interest in her sexually. But she is totally willing to jeopardize our relationship with games, tests and crazy behavior to see how much i will put up with, and to test my manlines.

            If I do all the things she wants, become the man she wants me to be, i get rewarded by losing her respect and becoming a dead bedroom blue pill roommate who pays the bills and helps take care of the kids.

            So really...is the whole idea of a male/female "relationship" just one big fantasy/illusion - on the man's side even more than the woman's? You think you're gonna find a woman who you can spend the rest of your life with, someone who is a safe harbor in the storm of life, who you can trust with all your deepest.emotions...but really that's just a bunch of bullshit...'cuz that person does not exist.

            Tl:Dr are women the enemy of all relationships? Is the whole notion of a relationship between a man and a woman a fantasy?

            [–]nomad-oz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            She can have a RP relationship with you. You can't have a BP relationship with her.

            [–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            The ultimate (distal) reason she's doing it is to ensure that you're strong and if shit goes down, you'll keep her and the kids alive.

            If you are not, she made a mistake and she has to get out NOW to increase her chances of survival/quality of future offspring (the instinct is still there even after fertility is gone, too). This isn't a conscious process.

            [–]Styrac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            There's the view shared by men of older generations that women are just crazy. That's good enough for me.

            Is the whole notion of a relationship between a man and a woman a fantasy?

            Personally I'd say no, unless you are referring to that brand of 'relationship' promoted by feminism. Equal and nice blahblah.

            In your post I sense some degree of thinking women should think/behave as men do, logically. If you are, you should stop that.

            .is the whole idea of a male/female "relationship" just one big fantasy/illusion - on the man's side even more than the woman's?

            It's the other round if you consider the jerk whose woman gets constantly depressed at how the 'relationship' is bullshit, he doesn't care for my feelings etc.

            who you can trust with all your deepest.emotions...but really that's just a bunch of bullshit...'

            Yes it's straight up feminist bullshit, by women for women.

            [–]PanMonium 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Is the whole notion of a relationship between a man and a woman a fantasy?

            Well, since you asked. The male/female dynamic is inherently dysfunctional, but humans have a tendency to delude ourselves of that fact as a result of evolutionary design.

            It's the same way that we find tend to find reasons to go on living. If we were to really came to terms with the utter pointlessness of life without the crutch of a faith system, or an irrational belief, or whatever other popular lie people are telling themselves, it might make it too hard to go on.

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            [–]nomad-oz 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            We need quality social connections (intimacy) to be psychologically healthy.

            You can laugh, talk, tease, and listen to her hamster. But you also tell her she is wrong and over emotional when needed. Tell her that her GF is an ungrateful entitled cunt and tell her why. It's indirectly telling her you won't put up with that crap.

            If they are downsizing at work. You don't say "I'm scared about my job." You say "the bitches in HR are favouring women in their appraisals. I'm looking for a new job before they wreck the joint" Women don't want to be blindsided. They want to know you're in control of the situation.

            When you in bed after sex and she want's intimacy. She want comfort. You can tell her you're happy with things as they are. If you have concerns tell her you have plans and a strategy to deal With it. You can be open. long as you are in control.

            Never apologize for being a man. I was watching TV, scratching my nuts (post shave itch). She: "That's gross, do you have to do that?" Me: "Yes! It's a guy thing! It a simple pleasure women will never get to enjoy. You're Jealous you only have an inch between your pussy and ass." She: grins and walks away.

            Was watching the footy and shouting at the screen last Friday. She: "Can't you watch with out shouting?" Me: "I enjoy it more when I do" She: "It's annoying. I'm trying to write" (Facebook) Me: "Well I could always go to the game" She: "Go ahead freeze yourself there" Me: "I just might do that" Tomorrow Sunday I'm taking this Canadian chick to see her first game of Aussie Rules.

            A man backs up his statements.

            [–]Styrac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It's about frame and the way you put things. A given thing you tell her can be framed as vulnerability by a BP'er but as strength by a RP'er.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Not that this, or a lot of the other red pill posts are "wrong", but I get the sneaking feeling that this stuff is mostly written by some intelligent but really anti-social beta's pretending to understand how to get tail.

            [–]CptDefB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I like that I can read the body of text, find it sound, then only after looking at the name does clarity of the post makes sense.

            Nice one.

            [–]SmokesQuantity 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            find a guy friend that you admire and want to learn from.

            It's almost easier to find a good woman. Any suggestions on how to go about this? I'd love a guy friend I look up to, who doesn't consistently disappoint me as much as women do.

            Hell if were that easy we probably wouldn't even be here.

            [–]GainzdalfTheWhey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            This post is amazing, I was thinking about weakness this past months as o showed one of mine. I had to talk about it because if not I'd admit to lie directly. I regret it

            [–]1CowardlyPetrov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Just going to pause for a second. Because I'd like to actually be a human that gets better from his flaws.

            "I was wrong. I misjudged HER. I was stupid and horny and just pretending to see what I wanted to see."

            Simple as that. Gotta stop hamstering if I want to be better.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Great post without a doubt.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            That was poetic and effective.

            [–]Dymit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Decent post, you've clarified something that I've tried to make sense of for a while now.

            The "good alpha" as far as I'm concerned is the ideal. It what we should aim for. Generally caring about others and wanting the best for society is large part of what makes a human being great. However from what I understand this means doing what's right in the long run, and not succumbing to short term validation requests which don't tend to benefit us in the long run.

            The example you've given about women wanting to access your human side can explain this well. Yes there and then it might make her feel good, happy and what not, but that's short term. If you wanted the best for her (and yourself) you'd realise this and remain strong. This is effectively being a good leader.

            If anything your example has given me clarity. Often it can be hard to determine how to behave in certain situations but with the long term mindset this becomes easier.

            The way I see it, part blue pill behaviour can be see as short term validation, good alpha as long term and typical alpha behaviour is somewhere in-between. So typical alpha behaviour gives decent results but it has it's limit.

            Criticism welcome

            [–]Drmadanthonywayne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            But when you’re sitting next to a woman you care about, never show weakness. It’s a trap. You’ll make her like you, but you’ll make her fuck me.

            Reminds me of a Pink Floyd song.....

            and if i open my heart to you and show you my weak side what would you do

            would you sell your story to rolling stone

            would you take the children away and leave me alone

            and smile in reassurance as you whisper down the phone

            would you send me packing or would you take me home

            [–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I'm glad you posted this. A lot of people here have a huge misconception about what alpha is.. An alpha male is a leader, and strives to see others be the best they can be. And that's it. If you aren't leading others, you aren't alpha. I don't care how big or bad you are. That's sigma.

            [–]iamokwithviolence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            If women want strong alpha male and not someone who can do the dishes and clean carpets, why do they spread propaganda like that? I don't get it.

            It's like i'd want fit beautiful HB10, but i would say to everyone that i want woman that is fat, ugly, but friendly, or something like that.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            -And you want to open up a little bit for her and let your guard down a bit, because it feels good to be accepted and validated.

            Women love a consistently strong man, but a fkn alpha robot is a creepy turnoff. They also don't want a grown baby dumping out it's feelings over & over.

            I see most guys making a bad habit out of opening up too much (over & over) to women.

            Err on the side of almost never. You have consistently chosen the wrong person/women if you think never is the only possibility in life.

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            [–]FerrusMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            They will support you, but it will cause them to be unattracted to you. You can have a friend, or a lover, but not both.

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