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Red Pill TheoryThe pre-fuck conversation is one big autism screening test (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardArchwinger

The path to getting laid is actually pretty simple when you break it down into its fundamental parts.

1- Look hot. Get yourself some muscles, dress well, have awesome hair. That way, you don’t get shooed away two seconds after walking up.

2- Escalate. Actually say flirtatious things and touch her and gauge her response instead of sitting there chatting like one of her girlfriends.

3- Don’t say loser shit. Loser shit includes being socially awkward, investing in her too much or too early, not having anything interesting to say, and so on.

That’s it. That is how you get laid. Be hot, escalate, don’t be socially awkward.

1 is easy. Well, actually it’s hard work, but there is a very clear and very well-defined path to success for #1. If you eat right, work out, groom, and wear clothes that fit, it’s pretty much impossible to not be good-looking enough to get laid. Unless you’re a grotesque burn victim, 4’6” tall, obviously handicapped in some way, or the like. There is no mystery about how to be better looking. None. Just do the work.

2 is harder, but still easy. You just have to have balls. You have to say and do things that the old you would have been afraid to say and do out of fear of rejection. You have to actually look women in the eye, say things that guys who fuck women say, and touch her, then see what she does. Maybe she rejects you, but that’s why there are 3,499,999,999 more women out there. The first time is hard, but once you just start doing this, it gets easy.

3 is the tough one. A lot of men out there are socially retarded. They say stupid shit to women and think it’s the right shit to say. The reason for this is actually very fundamental: Most men do not understand the purpose of the pre-fuck conversation with a woman.

So many guys approach girls with the best of intentions, then start talking and talking, trying to find some kind of common ground with the woman. Something to talk about. To make a friendly connection. To try to establish some kind of emotional intimacy. To actually chat with her, like you might with your friends. They think that this makes a woman comfortable with them, makes her like them, and makes her more willing to go home and fuck them. And that seems pretty logical, because we’ve spent our whole lives thinking women are supposed to want emotional intimacy before having sex, and women have spent their whole lives convincing themselves that emotional intimacy precedes sex. And it sure would make sense if emotional intimacy preceded sex.

But the huge majority of the time, this type of approach leads to the man thinking he’s hit it off with a girl, but the girl just wanting to be friends. Maybe she gives him her number, but then never responds to his follow-up text or flakes on their next date.

The man failed the test because he didn’t understand the purpose of the test. The pre-fuck conversation is not an attempt to make friends with the woman or establish emotional intimacy. That comes after you’ve been fucking her for awhile. Sex is a prerequisite to love, not the other way around.

The entire point of the pre-fuck conversation is to screen for autism, mental illness, under-confidence, and other sources of poor social skills. The pre-fuck conversation is your chance to flex your social muscles and demonstrate your social fitness. This is exactly the same way that your actual muscles demonstrate your physical fitness. A woman does not want to fuck a socially weak man, so she needs to screen men that pass the appearance test for social fitness. The last thing her subconscious wants is for her to go home with a hot guy, then find out that he’s weird and socially awkward and she might be pregnant with autistic loser genes.

Don’t treat the pre-fuck conversation as a friendly chat, because it isn’t. The pre-fuck conversation is how you present your social fitness, just like your gym body and clothes present your physical fitness. Most game aficionados will tell you that a pre-fuck interaction with a girl is night-and-day different than a normal conversation, because you’re not having a conversation. You’re exchanging demonstrations of social aptitude.

It is deceptive and offensive to women when you chat with them and try to make a friendly connection, then surprise! You actually wanted to fuck. Don’t talk with women like one of their girlfriends unless you actually want to be friends. It’s disrespectful. Respect women enough to actually try to fuck them.

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To the bozo reporting arch for being married and giving advice. Rollo is married, and now an empty nester.

Men are here based on value, full stop

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 141 points142 points  (7 children)

Even at the plate/FWB level, I prefer ongoing or long term relationships. I used to babble on merrily about relationship intentions, thinking it was a necessary precursor to sex.

TRP helped me solidify the concepts that relationship talk is the woman's prerogative, and to STFU and just escalate.

Once I learned to leave initiating relationship talk to her, I was amazed how little emerged and how late in the process it came! (AFTER we've slept together many times in most cases.)

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 43 points44 points  (4 children)

I'll piggy back this because from time to time you'll find girls that are super weird about relationships for whatever reason and they will bring it up way faster than most chicks.

I'm going on a date tonight with a chick I've know for a long time, drop dead 10 but only had 1 serious relationship and has always been weird about sex.

Well she started hitting me with txts last night,

her - "What are you looking for in terms of romance?"

me - "anal"

her - "There's a lot you don't know about me"

me -"Let's have a second date before we talk about our 10 children and the names we're gonna pick" (She wants no kids and neither do I)

Never answer these questions seriously. Especially when it's less than a month or two regardless if you are fucking or not. All these questions are is anxiety and self consciousness. If you answer them seriously you feed into them and she will hamster away more.

Speak to a woman's emotions, not her words. By making fun of the situation and her concerns you show her it's not that big of a deal and her mood will lighten.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Speak to a woman's emotions, not her words. By making fun of the situation and her concerns you show her it's not that big of a deal and her mood will lighten.

how do you get into that mindset? that's the biggest part I struggle with.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Not really sure, never thought about it. I've just always been able to read what a girl is feeling. Guess it's just experience or reading body language.

Might check out "What Every Body Is Saying" a book written by a 20 year ex-FBI agent that profiles people. You could also look into cognitive empathy, the neurological term for reading peoples emotions.

[–]returnofthequack 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Tight. Just purchased this.

[–]newbie80 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Don’t treat the pre-fuck conversation as a friendly chat, because it isn’t. The pre-fuck conversation is how you present your social fitness, just like your gym body and clothes present your physical fitness. Most game aficionados will tell you that a pre-fuck interaction with a girl is night-and-day different than a normal conversation, because you’re not having a conversation. You’re exchanging demonstrations of social aptitude.

Cognitive empathy = what others are thinking. Emotional empathy = what others are feeling. Somatic empathy = feeling others physical pain.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (21 children)

Quality post!

Is there any social skilled guys here who want to share how did you get good? Especially in the approach and early interaction.

I feel very self-conscious when interacting with strangers for the first time. With people I'm comfortable is very easy. I don't even want to focus in getting laid I just want to improve my social skills while sober. Where to begin?

[–]bowie747 58 points59 points  (4 children)

Formerly socially unskilled man (26yo) here. These days I have no problem approaching a group of women, and more often than not I generate interest. Every now and then my interactions lead to positive outcomes. This is up from 0% 18months ago.

My biggest and best advice is practice. Talk to everybody and use it as practice for match day (approaching girls). People are surprisingly responsive if you just talk to them, they like it!! Society sets a precedent that it's awkward or unusual to talk to strangers but fuck it, people love people that have the balls to do something different. Simply open a conversation and see what happens, you don't owe these people shit and you can leave at any time if it becomes uncomfortable. Now is a perfect time - Merry Christmas generates 100% positive responses.

You will get rejected and you will make a dick if yourself several times. The idea is to learn from your mistakes and practice practice practice!!!

[–]Cunt_Robber 18 points19 points  (3 children)

The ability to learn from your mistakes is an acquired ability. It requires active analysis of your behaviour and its consequences with respect to those around you, and let's face it that not everyone puts in time and focus/attention in developijg this self-awareness. Id argue that most aren't even aware that self-awareness is something that gets more acute with practice. But the more self-aware you are, the more you can absorb and learn from. The more subtleties your self-aware "radar" picks up (including the subtle signs girls give). The faster you analyze a situation and come up with possible courses of action.

So start analyzing yourself.

[–]zboo1h 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I don't have any input but I wanted to say I really love the name "Cunt_Robber".

[–]BehrGris 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I'll have to agree with u/bowie747. I'm 25 and started my early adult life not knowing how to approach people/women. Now, I can confidently say I'm better than most.

The best thing you can do as a beginner is approach a cute girl as soon as you see her (without over thinking if it's a good idea or not; it is a good idea) and then go home & watch a few vids on how to approach/interact with women. Notice how I say to approach first. It's much more important than vids and books, and frankly, if you don't have the balls to approach you're not ready for any vids. If you're afraid to even shoot, you shouldn't be in practice.

Oh and it's gonna feel great, then it's gonna suck, then you're gonna get laid, then you're gonna get your heart broken, then it's gonna be fun again.... Learn to get rid of your emotions

You're gonna have A LOT of girls basically tell you you're not worth a conversation, a date, or sex. The trick is to stay confident and unreactive long enough for the girl who DOES actually think she should be swallowing your balls. If you let 30 girls who were mean to you ruin your view of yourself, the 1 girl that likes you is gonna be really confused and not attracted to you.

When I would tell girls I was having sex with that I've never had a gf, they would be visibly confused and turned off. They'd all make a face like I just asked them a tough math question. The only thing that matters to that 1 girl is her mental movie of you, so stay sharp

[–]hamsterenema 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is good goddamn advice.

[–]kieran9323 11 points12 points  (0 children)

maybe just think about how many invitations to social events of all sorts you turned down in the last 3 months... just go out, and your lizard brain will pick up, process and learn everything without you even thinking about it.

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    [–]RedDeadCred 15 points16 points  (3 children)

    That stuff helps but mental state is based on physical state. Imagine trying to open when you're horribly constipated and holding in horrible farts. That's an obvious example. In more subtle ways your dietary and lifestyle choices add up. Did you recently eat cookies or processed food with chemicals that produce ADHD symptoms? Are you overtrained? Maybe youre intimidated by other guys cause yoy cant fight and you know you dont workput enough? Sleep deprived? Did you meditate to reduce cortisol and increase testosterone?

    Throwing on a good video or whatever to hype yourself up will last but a moment

    [–]BreathOfDick 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    This is exactly what charisma myth says in the first two chapters. Get your physical comfort maximum before even bothering with being "charismatic".

    [–]7a7p 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Jesus. That's Doctorate-level shit*.

    Edit: By the word "shit" I meant information or insight. It was a poor choice of words to describe how surprised I was about how much randomly useful information was in this one comment. I just came back to clarify my intent.

    "Thanks for giving me a lot of good stuff to think about" would have probably worked as well.

    [–]synaptic_misfires 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    simple pick up introduced me to cold approach.. their early stuff is really good

    [–]blackedoutfast 60 points61 points  (63 children)

    good post. friendliness and familiarity DESTROY a woman's sexual attraction to a man.

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      [–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 93 points94 points  (56 children)

      Non-serious low-challenge lowest-common-denominator social banter.

      "Is that girl seriously wearing uggs in here? Tell me you wouldn't wear uggs to a club."

      "That' shit's hot. You into it?"

      "Turn around. Why? Because I didn't get a good look at your ass when I ealked up."

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        [–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 81 points82 points  (12 children)

        How do you learn to spout this lowest-common-denominator stuff on demand?

        Basically, erase every intellectual, nerdy, information-heavy thought from your head, and concentrate on the here-and-now.

        The heavily-sexual here-and-now. What's your opinion of her ass, her clothes, that weird-ass drink in her hand, etc.

        Tease her, like you're both in grade school on a playground, and then switch back to pretty blatant sexualized comments.

        Also, if you couch it in the right "accepting" manner, and the right "hey, we both know what's up, girl" manner and tone, you can stand there and talk about almost every red pill concept, and have her nodding along and agreeing.

        Someone here wrote a really good post a while back about "Party World." Look that up too.

        [–]lord-denning 43 points44 points  (8 children)

        Congratulation, you just summarized game in 3 paragraphs. All of what we have been talking about, and what incenses women when they are not horny, is this combination of escalation and talking nonsense.

        That is why there are all these betas and "male feminists" walking around. They have only been on tepid coffee dates where their wallets have been sized up. They have never locked eyes with a hottie and let her know that "it's on" through body language and then walked up for some nonsense chat.

        The fact that I recognize this does not make it any easier for me but at least I understand reality. That is called swallowing the red pill.

        We men focus on logic, the physical world and how machinery works, etc. etc. And women can function well in this world too. But when it comes time to fuck them, they seek the emotional thrill that the logical world cannot provide.

        [–]xx69bootyhunter69xx 7 points8 points  (7 children)

        I'm only 5'6", and have only started lifting recently (about a fortnight back). Indian ethnicity, dark skinned. Though I live in India and hence may be the competition isn't as sharkwaters-cut-throat as in the US. Been on the TRP for several months now.

        However, I just can't imagine walking up to a(n Indian) chick here and bantering with her with the 'Turn around and lemme see that ass' attitude and her not getting either offended and walking away or her not slapping me or doing some even more empowered-feminist bullshit.

        I'm actually kind of skinny fat right now (still have them love handles). Should I wait till I get swole? I am especially looking to fuck chicks right now since my end-semester exams have just gotten over and have a lot of spare time on my hands at least for the next 15 days...

        [–]s--sfs 10 points11 points  (3 children)

        Competition is cut-throat everywhere. Don't wait for anyone or anything to get to it. Agree that the specifics of banter differs slightly across cultures, but you can still project that intent.

        [–]xx69bootyhunter69xx 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Well that's one issue you addressed, but what about the other one? I mean I'm still 5'6" and don't look anywhere near hot, as the post says I need to be. I might get a little bit swole in the next month or so but I still need much better than that, and certainly much much better than what I look right now, to cold approach chicks and give them the tingles so I can get away with that sort of banter/kino-escalation.

        [–]blasted_biscuits 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Sounds like you need to work on your inner game first and foremost. Getting swole is great but ultimately you should be doing it for yourself because you want to become the best you can be, not because getting chicks is your primary goal. The more you work on your internal game, the more confident you become and the easier it becomes to not give a fuck and say whatever you want around everyone (including hot women) which in turn will lead to getting laid. When the post says to be hot, it doesn't mean you need to be on the cover of magazines but more that if someone looks at you, they can tell you take the time to look your best because you feel you're worth it.

        [–]s--sfs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You cant do anything about your height bro! It is what it is. Be comfortable with who you are. Basically, make some small progress every single day. As they say, just turn up, every day. Be thoughtful about what you are doing, and execute every day. And be patient. 100% guarantee in 3 months time you'll be feeling better about yourself. And if youre feeling good about yourself, chicks will be attracted to that.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        you probably don't believe the comment that leaves your mouth or just haven't made a bold comment like that. it has to come out naturally, and it can't do that unless you've done it before

        that means DON'T WAIT to game women. do it now while improving yourself

        [–]nattyX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Though I live in India and hence may be the competition isn't as sharkwaters-cut-throat as in the US.

        You've got it backwards my friend. If you look like you regularly hit the gym, wear clothes that flatter your body type, be well groomed and have good hygiene, you will be able to fuck the overwhelming majority of women here with little to no hassle. Matter of fact women will literally throw their pussy at you if you have all of these things and posses some intelligence/sense of humor. Eventually you can get to a point where women are competing for you.

        Should I wait till I get swole?

        This should be your number one priority. A bigger stronger man has more options for potential mates than smaller weaker men. That is nature. If you want to fuck women, you have to look like a man who fucks women. This makes everything else a lot easier.

        [–]postreformedpua 29 points30 points  (3 children)

        Oh my, you have described my problem in a nutshell. Engineer minded autist that can't talk about trivial shit.

        [–]BreathOfDick 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Just make observations about the immediate environment. Also almost no one cares about intellectual bullshit. Think about it objectively, it's boring. I enjoy programming, rather talk about who would win between a sea turtle and a octopus if they both had Spears attached to them.

        [–]enhoel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        C'mon, man: octopus, no challenge! ;-)

        [–]mcbenzene 15 points16 points  (0 children)

        Now that you mention this, I just remembered what David DeAngelo said in one of his books. He explained that one way you can do this kind of stuff is imagining stuff you could say about a specific thing. Even if they do not make sense. For example, how the color red reminds you of elephant skin because you like to breath. Also, he said that another way is to watch a lot of stand up comedies. Whatever works for you.

        [–]HAMMURABl 13 points14 points  (1 child)

        I completely agree with you. How to learn it? Practice, practice, practice.

        Before my first gf I was an autistic sperg lord who could only have intellectual discussions based on facts, theories or empirics. My first gf approached me hard (thank god for my looks), and so she became my gf and I spent a lot of time with her. Obviously when you are young you try to please so I learned to keep a conversation with her, and after 6 months I could find any casual topic and just banter on it. That was really zero-value added talk, but she enjoyed it a lot. Oh well.

        After the breakup I could talk to any person about any bullshit topic, with the best topics being the zero fucking value added topics and comments that people LOVED to hear and talk about.

        [–]lifeisnotverygood 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Wow so how can I do that with people, not just girls? Can you give an example?

        [–]beginner_ 9 points10 points  (9 children)

        How do you learn to spout this lowest-common-denominator stuff on demand? Maybe I'm autistic as fuck but it's not an easy skill to master.

        I have the capability of doing it but it usually means I need to be in a specific state of mind like a little drunk or very tired. Which basically means IDGAF attitude. Being out of your god damn head.

        It's not that you can't do it it's because you are in you head all the time. I bet you are a programmer or in general problem-solver at work. So you are trained to be in you head all the time. The only thing to counter that is by being more social as in attending more social events and start exposing yourself more.

        Like 1 it's not a mystery. It's just hard work and scary because you're out of your comfort zone. And like getting ripped, it takes months to years depending where you start from.

        [–]PedophilePriest 4 points5 points  (8 children)

        As an alcoholic, let me tell you drinking is not the crutch you think it is. You sound like an idiot to everyone that isn't drunker than you, it just sounds good to you because your innebriated.

        In addition it will actually hurt your real social skills, as practice while in an altered state will not carry over to your sober self, no matter how much you want them to.

        Social events are overrated, if your within speaking distance of a single person, you can socialize, make banter, laugh etc. Just passing someone in the hallway at work is more than enough opportunity for low denominator banter which everyone enjoys.

        [–]beginner_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        As an alcoholic, let me tell you drinking is not the crutch you think it is. You sound like an idiot to everyone that isn't drunker than you, it just sounds good to you because your inebriated.

        true but there is a pretty big line area between sober and shitfaced. Like 2 beers. But yeah I'm not suggesting you do it was just a personal observation. Controlling less, caring less = easier to have IDGAF attitude

        [–]PedophilePriest 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        yes it does. But if your goal is to have an idgaf attitude, all the time, or at least on command in your life, learning that skill while drinking and transitioning that too your sober self is a hell of a lot harder than just developing that skill as your sober self in the long run.

        Also ive seen it lead alot of people into alcoholism because they feel like they can only be fun and social while drinking.

        For me personally I'm more fun, more confident and have a stronger dgaf attitude now when I'm sober. Drinking for me causes a regression.

        [–]sebastianbateman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I think it depends on how much you're drinking. If you drink a little just to be a bit smoother the advantage of deactivating certain mental barriers surpasses the disadvantage of sounding like an idiot. If you pass a certain point though it'll go downhill for you.

        [–]PedophilePriest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Might be true Idk. in my experience it only takes a drink or two for most people to become obnoxious if your sober.

        If you have two and everyone else has 4, we'll yeah then that works.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Just say the first thing that comes to mind (Filtering out retardation). How you say it matters and your manner of saying it/body language even more so than what you actually say as long as it isnt downright stupid

        [–]beginner_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        I think as a first step is to turn of your filter and control completely. Yes, you will fail miserably as you will say stupid shit but the point is to train to let go, get out of your head and stop controlling every thought.

        [–]bigtuna45 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I have known two guys in my life who I'd describe as 'naturals' and they both did this. A mixture of lowest-common-denominator shit and plain old nonsense. Women lapped it up. So I believe you 100%.

        Shit, now that I think about it the times I've done the best are the times I talk about bull shit.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        How do you learn to spout this lowest-common-denominator stuff on demand?

        I can't do it either. Watch Oprah to practice vapid fee fee's? They say the key is "being in the moment" which is one of the key traits they are testing for with all the Shit.

        [–]beginner_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        no matter how much women claim be attracted to intelligence (which is hamster bullshit).

        Humor is a display of intelligence and of course confidence. That's why it works so well.

        In 2010, researchers at the University of New Mexico gathered 400 university students (200 men and 200 women) and tested them on abstract reasoning, verbal intelligence, humour production ability (rated funniness of captions written for three cartoons), and mating success. The results showed that both general and verbal intelligence predict humour production ability, which in turn predicts mating success. The authors go on to suggest that humour evolved at least partly through sexual selection as an intelligence-indicator.

        [–]colmatterson 3 points4 points  (15 children)

        I can't decide if your username is just coincidence or not, because I wholly disagree with your advice. I agree with a lot of what OP said in his post. The conversation is the part where the man needs to demonstrate his "social muscles". Choosing the "lowest common denominator" topics, as you said - trashing other people's clothing, some kid of ambiguous statement about something being hot(???), and a cheesy pick-up line - is a guaranteed way to make YOU also look like the lowest common denominator.

        Don't trash other people. Imagine how that's going to look as a woman. A guy approaches you and starts making fun of strangers. Not classy. Or mature. It's very childish and extremely rude, and I honestly can't imagine any woman saying to herself, "wow, this seems like a fun guy! The way he puts others down to bring himself up is so sexy. I wouldn't have noticed it if he hadn't pointed out how much better he is by comparison to everyone else!" Come on.

        I'm guessing your second statement is in reference to music that could be playing? That might be okay if you have a good follow up that isn't "what other kid of music do you like? Tell me, because I'm a good listener." Maybe a good gateway to an actual relationship in a different setting, but in a bar or club, no one is there looking for that. Segue it into an interesting anecdote about crashing the backstage of a Pearl Jam concert and meeting the band, then yeah, you've got something. Not because Pearl Jam is so cool, but because they're well-known enough that anyone will likely recognize the name, probably even know at least one or two songs, but also outdated enough that the chance of the woman being an actual fan and asking hard-to-answer follow up questions to your made up story is incredibly low.

        Anyway, though, your advice is terrible and I think you really must be trolling. "Turn around because I didn't get a good look at your ass when I first walked up,"? Dude, come on. Pick up lines work because they're just silly fun and they can make the girl at least smile if not laugh, but that one is just awful. The girl that is okay with that line is not one you want to be with for the night. That's a desperate girl.

        [–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 6 points7 points  (7 children)

        Your post is, I feel, wrong on several levels.

        The bottom line is that you've got this wierd "I am very smart" thing going on, that you think is a strength, but is actually your biggest weakness.

        This is why my post offended you so much... because your being so smart and intellectual forms a central part of your self-identity, and even the whiff of what looks like a challenge to the ultimate utility of intellect feels like a slam on the core of your being.

        That's a weakness.

        Anyway, though, your advice is terrible and I think you really must be trolling. "Turn around because I didn't get a good look at your ass when I first walked up,"? Dude, come on. Pick up lines work because they're just silly fun and they can make the girl at least smile if not laugh, but that one is just awful. The girl that is okay with that line is not one you want to be with for the night. That's a desperate girl.

        First, that "turn around" thing isn't a pickup line.

        It's a command. "Turn around."

        Second, it's not meant to make anyone laugh. It's not told as a joke. It's said with the intent of making someone turn around and show thier ass to you, at your command.

        The "because I didn't get a good look at your ass on the way over" part isn't a punchline. It's not delivered with a wink or a grin. It's delivered deadpan, as a statement of fact, with no voice uptick at the end.

        It's you telling her that you are a sexual creature, that you want her in particular, that you have no fear of stating your sexual intentions plainly, and that you furmly believe that you are a high-value male who can simply state what he wants, and that you expect compliance.

        Third, women ARE desperate; deeply desperate, for high-value men.

        She's not at the club looking for Billy Beta to come crack jokes or try lines on her. That shit is disgusting to her. A night being approached by joking betas is a night where she'll go home alone and wonder why no actual men approached her.

        Fourth, again, if YOU are the high value one in a relationship, then the lower value one in the relationship will be desperate to get with you and to try and keep you.

        If you're NOT the higher value person in the relationship, and you're male, then how the fuck are you getting laid?

        [–]colmatterson 4 points5 points  (3 children)

        I'll keep this short, because I don't have enough time right now to write out a full response addressing every point, but I still want to respond to you. First, I will admit that you clearly put more thought into your original response than I gave you credit for. I still don't agree with everything, but you did clarify some points that I misinterpreted. I still think the "turn around" line is awkward. As a cheesy pick-up line to make a girl smile or laugh, there are much better lines. As a command, I think it would be off-putting. That might be because I already have pre-conceived notions about it, but imagining it as the "ice breaker" line, delivered stone-faced and deadpan just seems... creepy. Like I think a girl would first assume it was a pick-up line and then when the guy is totally serious and expectantly waiting for her to actually turn around, that would cause a very sudden and unexpected mood shift from light and fun to dramatic and... not "heavy", but just overly serious. Not necessarily a bad thing, because as far as making your intentions clear, I can't imagine a better way. It's announcing to her that you are there for sex. No compromises. Which is good, but how many men could pull that off? It also would put enormous pressure on the rest of the pre-fuck conversation.

        I am interested in your "I am very smart" comment, because a lot of why I didn't like your first response was that I felt like what you were saying was giving that vibe yourself. Not in an intellectual way, but just a "look at how much better I am than the rest of these schmucks" in general. So what did you mean about a whiff of anything that challenges my intelligence? The only affront to my intelligence I took from your comment was just that I thought it was dumb advice (and I did mean what I said above, that I underestimated the thought put into your comment. So I don't feel that way now.), and I agree with you that how you think I responded would be a weakness. So because I don't agree with you that that's how I responded, I want to know why you thought that so I can avoid it in the future.

        [–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        I still think the "turn around" line is awkward. As a cheesy pick-up line to make a girl smile or laugh, there are much better lines. As a command, I think it would be off-putting. That might be because I already have pre-conceived notions about it, but imagining it as the "ice breaker" line, delivered stone-faced and deadpan just seems... creepy.

        You can't use it as an opener. It would fail as an opener.

        You use it after you've already established rapport, and you've established a mutual sexual vibe.

        At that point, in context, telling her to turn around and show you her ass is the next step in the natural progression of events leading to you two fucking.

        It also serves as what I've heard described here on TRP as a "compliance test", or in sales talk as a "trial close". (It's also sending a message about your frame and expectations.)

        If she's thinking of the two of you getting naked together, then showing her clothed ass is no big deal. Also, if she's already thinking of having you take the masculine lead during sex later, then turning around because you said to turn around is also no big deal.

        The only way it could possibly be "creepy" is if she's not sexually attracted to you and doesn't want to fuck you.

        After "turn around" (and after playing around with any shit tests that she throws in response) the next step in the progression is taking her hand and saying "let's get out of here".

        I am interested in your "I am very smart" comment, because a lot of why I didn't like your first response was that I felt like what you were saying was giving that vibe yourself.

        I could tell.

        The thing is, I'm not smarter than you.

        What I do have is more knowledge than you on one small facet of one topic, which I'm attempting to share.

        The value of TRP, for me, is how so many people contribute, and how a person re-explaining something from the sidebar from a different angle can make the ideas suddenly click for me in a way that the previous 20 explanations didn't do.

        So I'm here trying to do my part to contribute, while also being here to learn from those who know more than I do.

        Your reaction reminded me of the old saying where the zen monk pours tea for the visiting scholar and keeps pouring tea as the cup overflows onto the table until the scholar says "Stop! It can't hold any more!", and so the zen monk says "Exactly. How can I teach you about Zen if you're already full of knowledge?"

        Basically, people who take pride in "knowing everything" make it so they are unable to learn, stunting thier own growth.

        [–]colmatterson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That makes much more sense, that the "turn around" comment not be used as an opener. See, that's part of what I meant about my own biasness, that I originally thought it was a goofy pickup line, so I was still thinking of it to be used at or near the beginning of a conversation. So since you've totally clarified now, yeah, I think it's actually a pretty great line! Obviously someone shouldn't say it if the woman isn't sending any or the "right" signals, but like anything else in flirting you still have to gauge reactions.

        So, I am flattered that you say I'm smarter than you. I am also hesitant to accept that, though, because I don't know why you would think you know enough about me to make an accurate comparison, at all. I didn't bring up the "very smart" comment in my last response because I was seeking validation, in like a "well, I am very smart! Admit it!" way, I brought it up because I genuinely wanted to know why/how you got that vibe in the first place. I thought you meant the vibe was the same as the pretentious submissions that get made to (the "iamverysmart" subreddit - bot removed this the first time because of link), which is definitely *NOT* what I want to sound like! So at the end, when I asked if you could clarify that so I could avoid doing it in the future, I was asking in earnest, and you haven't answered that. I did agree with you that it's a weakness, so further expounding it with telling me that "believing (I) know it all stunts (my) growth" kind of makes me feel like saying that I'm smarter than you was just a disingenuous misdirection. Especially because you are clearly more intelligent than I first gave you credit for.

        I will say, though, because I don't know if I will hear back from you or not, that I think you should include a little more in your initial comments. I learned things about your first statement from both of your direct responses to me that would have been perfectly understandable if you had just included more information to begin with. Like how the "turn around" comment is meant to be delivered, when, etc. I think that you have very much to contribute, but considering the many, MANY nuances of everything RP, it's very easy to misinterpret, lose something in translation, or, honestly, for someone to seek specific validation for a core misunderstood concept (I really believe there are people here that do that).

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          [–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          What do you mean by "high" challenges?

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            [–]1Paid_Internet_Troll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Low-challenge was a reference to approach topics with a low-level of intellectual challenge; dumb stuff down to where even a grade-schooler wouldn't feel mentally challenged by the content.

            As for actual personal challenge, that's what teasing is all about. A playful series of pokes at her frame.

            [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

            about things that make no sense. Mostly stuff you have (or haven't) done in the past, but talk about it as if they were great adventures, cuz that's how you roll. High chance she can't help but talk about herself then, that's when you know you're good to go and can stop talking about your life. She wasn't listening anyway. Keep pushing her into talking about her (you can think about more important stuff in between a couple of COOL or WOW). If she labels you, amplify... amplify that shit till her fantasy is out of control. It should be pointless, casual, relaxed, never talk about anything serious... just a big bunch of whatever leading to her asking you to go back to the same bedroom.

            Example: just like the boring fuck they usually are, she asks about your job or whatever you've been doing that day - say you're a stripper. No, for real! Last month I was in Thailand, and some girls over there asked me if I could dance with them. Or were they men? Would you have checked this out yourself? You've never been to Thailand, you know about shemales right? Where do you spend holidays? Then let it roll.

            plot twist - I think this boring AF. But you get the idea

            [–]blackedoutfast 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            it really doesn't matter what you say, just how you say it.

            [–]AragornOfTheDunedain 77 points78 points  (8 children)

            That is how you get laid. Be hot, escalate, don’t be socially awkward.

            Clear, concise, brutally honest. This is redpill sexual strategy in a nutshell. Thank You!

            [–]Denver_Luv3 16 points17 points  (1 child)

            at good looking loser he calls it looks, social freedom, and killer instinct. interestingly similar trilogy

            [–]NeoreactionSafe 158 points159 points  (47 children)

             

            Some historical analysis might help here.

            In the "pre-Child Support" era when women had to be very concerned about gaining the emotional attachment of men in order to survive they were in a position to actually care.

            These days women can fuck a guy... take his DNA... then simply ride the Child Support Family Court induced male slavery until the child becomes an adult.

            She is looking for a new thing now.

            The post-natural woman is no longer survival dependent.

            This new woman is after thrills... sexual thrills.

            So stop being the "Gentle Man" to her... the "Age of the Gentleman" died when they started letting women vote.

             

            [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 91 points92 points  (44 children)

            Even back in the "good ol' days", women couldn't be trusted to make good sexual decisions. They were constrained by society. A woman did not speak with a man unless they had first been introduced, usually by her parents. So for a man to even be talking to her, he had already been vetted by Mom and Dad as a good provider from a good family, and not just a muscular cad. And women who strayed from this model were sent away, impoverished.

            Even in more modern history, when that wasn't the case, women were still constrained socially, because sluts, knocked-up gals, unmarried gals, and childless gals were ostracized. And women were financially dependent on their husbands. Even if a woman wasn't head-over-heals horny for her husband, she was grateful that he was a good man who took good care of her.

            The very second women were no longer financially dependent on men -- the very second -- they started fucking hot, fun guys outside of marriages like it was going out of style. Sex became empowering recreation.

            Women were never better people back in the "good ol' days". Being sexually conservative and submissive isn't female nature. They were just as shitty as they are now, but they were constrained. The second financial dependency is no longer an issue, women slut around. That's female nature. Women are hedonistic sluts. That's their natural state if they're not contained.

            [–]Xaxsparrior 7 points8 points  (11 children)

            See I would believe except that I don't completely buy into the appearance gene bullshit. Because yes, I have seen ugly short guys punch way above their level, and no they weren't PUA's either, as cliche as that sounds. Women don't completely and utterly sync with evolutionary biological strategims of selection, and I have seen them with men that they shouldn't be with in the first place......

            [–]RedDeadCred 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Birth control modulates female attraction to prefer more feminine and non dominant men, and decreases their sex drive altogether. That's why you get these smokeshows hooking up with atypical men. It's a common occurrence when a woman comes off bc to have a kid that she loses all attraction for her beta.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 7 points8 points  (5 children)

            You're talking about a very small minority of women though.

            [–]Xaxsparrior 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            no i am being serious when I saw it's actually a sizable amount of them...

            [–]BeornPlush 7 points8 points  (2 children)

            I'll put my bet on confirmation bias here: they're the oners that are out of place and noticeable. You don't need to be a PUA either to have solid social proof, guts to escalate and get in.

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Short guy game is different than average to tall guy game. Short guys have to be in an environment where theyre the top 20% of that group/room. It usually means having to be the craziest partier or the leader of ur cicle of friends, or in a room where most everyone else is awkward. Short guy game works by vetting the situation beforehand

            [–]TestoclesBalls 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Some ugly dudes just have balls and game. Remember attractiveness to women is different than when we see a pair of tits with an ass. They want strong willed dominant men not necessarily the most beautiful guy around because being pretty doesn't really help kill in defense of your territory

            [–]BestSC86 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            You must live in the Southern US....the bizarro of the mating world.

            Chubby, neckbearded yokels whose idea of self-improvement is changing from chewing bakker to dippin snuff.

            And they are smothered with every hot local girl wanting to bang in their rusted out pickup trucks....of course, it also has the highest divorce rate and single parent households in the nation.

            Imagine that....sitting around swapping fart jokes with a barely literate moron gets boring as fuck as these chicks pass their 23rd birthdate.

            It is largely why I am cynical of many of the stories here of these all-knowing masters of the universe women that a lot of TRPers are always talking about who know every move and always read very social situation perfectly...they are few and far between in rural southern America.

            [–]HS-Thompson 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            The phenomenon actually isn't that surprising or complicated. Besides the stuff we talk about here, women generally are sexually attracted to men that resemble their own fathers.

            [–]detachedbymarriage 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            It's really deeper than that though. I forget the exact term for it but it is some type of psychological projection that everyone does.

            Your attraction to certain traits are projected by those who had major influences on you in life. Especially childhood.

            These projected traits can be both good and bad. It really depends how much of an effect the person's trait had on your life.

            This is why you see both genders who go after a certain "type". Of course, it is all done in a very subconscious level so there is very little chance you'll truly be able to point out your own projected types.

            [–]antariusz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Go back and watch or read "pride and prejudice".

            Even when women were concerned about securing provisioning for themselves (half the talk about a man is how much money he makes a year). They were STILL going out and fucking the bad boys and hot guys, and that's what the other half of the conversation is about. This was before women were voting, before child support laws.

            The reason it is a "timeless classic" is that it is a "fundamentally" true story. The parson/cousin is a boring beta. The officers/bad boy is Alpha Fucks. Bingly is a beta provider with good genetics. And Darcy is an alpha with even stronger wealth.

            Bingley is "the natural". Wickham is the bad boy alpha fucks. Be like Mr Darcy. The ideal of this forum. A leader, dominating. Controlling. Attractive.

            Just don't be a boring beta provider and you're halfway there.

            [–]BestSC86 50 points51 points  (21 children)

            "Most game aficionados will tell you that a pre-fuck interaction with a girl is night-and-day different than a normal conversation"

            All well and good to claim something, but without examples it comes across as blowing smoke.

            Can your method of proper pre-fuck conversation method translate across multiple venues of interaction?

            If they involve only the gaming of severely drunk girls in a dark dance club then they might not be usable to anyone but club PUA "aficionados".

            [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 25 points26 points  (18 children)

            So are you proposing that in some venues, the proper approach is to walk up, introduce yourself, ask a woman her name, ask what she does for a living, ask good follow-up questions about her job, ask about her family, and answer similar questions about yourself? That is how to get laid in non-club venues?

            [–]BestSC86 45 points46 points  (13 children)

            No...what I said was that telling the new guys here that you have the secret formula conversation method which drops panties and calling other people losers for not having your secret formula without giving them examples of what you would do instead of their loser methods it isn't really helpful to those guys trying to figure it out.

            I can say that you must vibe with girl and she will fuck you silly....but if I don't give an example then I haven't really been helpful.

            [–]Mostlyright91 18 points19 points  (5 children)

            I think you found the center of the maze.

            In all honesty some people on here are the worst, they're just self-conscious losers from high school who are now try hards...but TRP is a whole is great for understanding the general way that things are.

            [–]Trump_Reddits 4 points5 points  (4 children)

            All hail westworld! Yeah TRP has definitely illuminated me. I'm hesitant with all the bro science but the books have been a game changer along with the best of rollo each year.

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              [–]Trump_Reddits 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              I sent you a link but the autobot removed my post. Go the TRP search bar and type "collection of some TRP books and pdfs"

              If you can get those downloads to work then let me know, i haven't tried them on a computer yet but that may be the ticket.

              I've actually just been in TRP for three weeks and its been a life changer, i already had most of the TRP behavior before i found this group but it confirmed my way of thinking and that i wasn't just imagining all these things.

              I would start with the book the rational male by rollo. He is one of the heavy hitters in the community. You can find all his work in the sidebar under "best of year 1-5", but if you're like me i prefer the audio books.

              Once you've got the rational male, i would check out:

              No more Mr nice guy // How to make friends and influence people // 48 laws of power // Go the search bar in TRP and search 'books' and you'll find many posts and discussions about great books. I've been averaging a book a day with audible, it's nice if you drive a lot.

              Bonus books that isn't talked about a whole lot but helps, I'm in sales and its nice to be able to read people: what every BODY is saying by Joe navarro.

              I would build your foundation of beliefs around those books before you start reading the user posts in the forum. There are some good posts but there are just as much immature betas posting it can really cloud what TRP is all about. Good luck brotha, feel free to PM me if you need any other book ideas or if you're looking for a particular kind of book.

              [–]BreathOfDick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I thought the same, but his leaving it wide open actually turned this thread to pure gold. If you go through the comments there are loads of different answers from people with a variety of experience.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Arch is not a PUA and he is not writing a book, so far as I know. He made a high quality post on Red Pill theory.

              Feel free to help fill out his post with examples from PUA. Others can fill it out with examples from Married Red Pill etc

              [–]RedDeadCred 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              That's a strawman but yes surely you've heard of indirect openers that lead with conversation and comfort building. Roosh wrote multiple books about indirect openers like this.

              [–]Duke_LFG 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              That is something like the standard pua model. It works in some ways. Trp is on steroids. I think both are informational.

              But yeah i wish i knew what you meant by pre fuck convo... i need an example.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              The problem with examples is they are situational. I make up my stuff on fly based on my environment (So observe. Dont auto pilot. Notice shit.). But keep it chill. My more aggressive ones usually involve something she is wearing. Some guys can get away with downright flirty compliments but I rather use plausably deniable ones. Things they can hamster as just social banter. You start with that and make it flirtier and touch bolder as time goes.

              [–]brettfromtibet 12 points13 points  (47 children)

              Great post! The big one is #3

              Be a lover, not a friend.

              [–]LewisCross 22 points23 points  (46 children)

              Be a lover, not a friend.

              Right. Be overtly sexual. Make your sexual interest clear and unmistakable.

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                [–]1empatheticapathetic 7 points8 points  (36 children)

                Just looked over your profile due to your earlier down voted comments. You've entertained a lot of blue pill dogma in the past.

                Just learn to talk to people first. Learn social skills. Then learn how escalate. Take it slowly. Learn all the shit gradually. Look good, make it a mission to get healthy and fit, for your own sake as well as women.

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                  [–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (34 children)

                  Build up some history of having successful conversations with women first. That'll give you confidence that you are a social person and can have a successful conversation. That's step 1.

                  Read one of the top posts of all time "talk to everyone". Not just attractive women, all women, guys, whatever. Drop the sexual intentions until you get this part down. This goes against archwingers advice generally but you need to get this part down before you can start to escalate.

                  My issue is I try to talk about deep and serious stuff wayy too quickly. I'm not interested in chit chat. This is my area for improvement.

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                    [–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (9 children)

                    Ok well now it's time to exit your comfort zone and start talking to women from 18-40. It's time to read about frame and game. People might have thought you were the next whoever because you allowed that idea to exist. You build your own frame (reality) so such ideas bounce off of you.

                    You're not a pedophile are you? So if someone called you one or insinuated you are one, you would confidently laugh it off and brush away such a ridiculous accusation. If your reaction is nervousness, people might think it's true because what the fuck do you have to be nervous about if it's not true?

                    Some extra tips are: poor body language, lack of confrontation and conviction, weak voice, poor articulation are all traits that will trigger weak minded people's 'creep' alarm. TRP has made me aware of such things when I'm in public and it's helped a lot, even simply with attraction and respect. You show that you are worthy of respect. Are you?

                    If you don't lift or exercise, start doing it. Other than the health benefits, they increase your testosterone. This is useful because increased T simply makes you become more 'manly'. You care less about silly stupid shit and are more assertive about your needs and in interactions.

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                      [–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      That's great progress you've made there but still one or two things to consider. If anyone EVER attacks your character, don't just be defensive but be offensive back. How the fuck dare they? Do a pressure flip. This is part of what comes with confidence.

                      A neutral man will defend his position to exist. A confident man will criticise the attacker for even attempting such a ludicrous attack on you; show them you are not to be fucked with. With women this will increase their attraction to you hugely, you dominant motherfucker. I learned these skills long before TRP growing up in a racist town as pretty much the only minority (but wasn't aware of the relevance to attraction).

                      The fact you still hide from children means you're still living in a false frame. Obviously you know your situation better than me but don't be scared to associate with children when appropriate. By excluding yourself for no reason you're perpetuating your own false reputation (in yours and other peoples minds) yet again.

                      Turn yourself from a creep who women are afraid of into a creep that women want to fuck. You'll find out the only difference between the two is your SMV.

                      Read TRP and please for the love of god stop visiting forever alone, the purple pill and blue pill forums, they will not help you become the man you aspire to be and just fill your mind with false inconsequential bullshit.

                      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                      a super nervous, squirrely guy that's super lacking in confidence is likely to set off the "creep" alarm

                      Yes, especially when he is as horny as a goat.

                      Will you stop mentioning he who shall not be named! That's at least twice in this thread.

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                        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (14 children)

                        an utterly disastrous rejection left me shunned by women for a year

                        Would love to hear more. You have me curious.

                        I can talk to people just fine as long as they are not attractive women between 18 and 40

                        Systematic Desensitization. Valium/Xanax/Alcohol also works. You just need some success. Right now I bet you are replaying the failure over and over again while at the same time your heart thumps up to about 190 when you see a hottie.

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                          [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (12 children)

                          Awww, I thought it would be spectacular. That was probably a run of the mill crash and burn that your disease personality magnified out of proportion- including the female reaction to you. Classic vicious circle.

                          There are guys with Asperger's on this thread who have offered much better advice than I can offer.

                          I assume you are still a virgin? Maybe you need to pay for it before you make it? I mean it is great and all, but it is hardly worth the freeze in the headlights, your baby just died right in front of you paralysis you describe.

                          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          Creepy means they don't find u attractive looking in the first place. Get better looking first

                          [–]Hobobo_el_Slothe 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                          I also have Aspergers. It's something that makes you unique, and some women will think it makes you cute or funny. Not all of them will of course. In my case I have become pretty good at delivering dryly worded one liners that make women laugh.

                          If you have a naturally monotone, expressionless way about you, you may be able to use this trait to your advantage. You can come off as very strong / mysterious / confident to an NT. For example, if you say something overtly sexual to her with a straight face. You may be slapped by a few women before you get the hang of it. But eventually you may get the hang of it.

                          Whatever you do, don't tell the girl you have Aspergers. That won't get you laid.

                          [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                          I have Aspergers.

                          You can still Sarge, right? Enter a room and take charge. Tell the girls what to do. Speaking directly (in the language of your kind) isn't a huge barrier to any of this. Worrying about how the conversation is going is the huge barrier.

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                            [–]filitantmeminist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                            I've read a lot of your posts. I'm just going to be brutally honest. It sounds like you need to work on appearance quite a bit.

                            I'd wager a lot of what you're blaming on aspergers is really a lack of confidence.

                            The wolf guy from Twilight would still get laid with aspergers. Remember creep vs awe that's kinda cute is all about perception. I think you're turning people off and blaming it too much on aspergers.

                            Work out. Diet. Take good vitamins. Tell yourself you're a god until you feel you are. And as you become one that will bolster it too. It's a chicken or egg in a way.

                            On the bright side you have plenty of time and room to go up.

                            Best of luck.

                            [–]i4mn30 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Is there a good post on here about making sexual intentions clear in a flirtatious manner? I need some examples of how guys who got some, did it. I could spin off my variants then, using them as templates.

                            [–]Neverd0wn 12 points13 points  (15 children)

                            Fair enough but how do you do it? Any practical advice?

                            [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 119 points120 points  (14 children)

                            Did you ever see Pulp Fiction? If not, you should. Not for the acting or plot or characters or crazy timeline-skipping, but for how the movie is done.

                            The entire movie is dialogue driven. It starts out with John Travolta and Samuel L. Jackson on their way to some idiot's apartment, on behalf of their criminal boss, to kill the guy. In any other movie, these two thugs would be talking to each other about the plot. They'd be talking about how they're going to get there, use these types of guns, say these things, shoot at these types of people, and so on.

                            But there's no need for that, because when they get there and do all of that, the plot's already clear. Having the characters talk about the plot would just be a waste of screen time.

                            So instead, these guys chat about how Travolta just got back from Amsterdam, and doing a shit-ton of drugs, and how you can get a big-ass beer in a movie theater, and how the Quarter Pounder over there has a different name due to the metric system. They chat about this rumor that a coworker got pushed off of a rooftop by their boss for giving his wife a foot-rub, and whether a foot-rub is inherently flirtatious and sexual or not. They chat about everything but the plot.

                            When you walk up to a girl and initiate a conversation, you want to use an interesting opener. You don't want to ask her what her name is, what she does for a living, what her family is like, and start trading interview questions about each other. That's boring, and it's a waste of screen time. You're not trying to get to know about her job and her siblings. You want to fuck her.

                            You also don't want to talk about your name and what you do for a living and how your job goes every day and what your parents are like. That's stupid. Instead, you should be talking about interesting shit that demonstrates social aptitude and keeps her on the hook. Let her find out personal shit about you inferentially, as you tell other stories. Not by you telling her shit about yourself.

                            I know. It's bullshit small talk that doesn't matter. But women love that shit. If a woman talks to you about nothing for two hours, giggling and having a good time the whole while because you're fun and interesting, she'll feel like she knows you better than she actually does, and she'll be really comfortable with you. Comfortable enough to fuck.

                            If you talk to a woman about yourself and herself in a very obvious and direct effort to get to know her, that's awkward and heavy and boring. Even if she doesn't have a bad time, she's going to leave the bar, club, coffee shop, or wherever you happen to be, meet a guy who's actually fun the next night, and when you text her a few days later, she just won't respond.

                            [–]Docbear64 14 points15 points  (3 children)

                            Good shit and needs to be higher up or appended to the main text because the socially awkward don't and won't know how to approach this but you illustrate it well here.

                            [–]1kevin32 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                            It could be its own thread: "How to get laid by watching Pulp Fiction."

                            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            thanks dude. i haven't laughed at a comment on reddit for a solid month or two

                            [–]GrumblingRose 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                            I think this is the best comment on how to have a conversation that I've ever read. I need to internalize and practice this next time I'm out. Thank you.

                            [–]RedPistola 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                            Thanks for this Arch. This brings the original post to light for me

                            [–]therhymerr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            the blueberry pancakes killed bruce willis tho

                            [–]akatsukirp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            This is gold. Use stories...this girl kept asking me direct questions tonight "how many members of my family, etc". I said "let's use stories instead, more fun to infer" and we exchanged stories. Im on my way to her place right now after a drink. It's on. Appreciate the post.

                            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            The idea of "bullshit small talk" is where I think a lot of books about "how to talk to people, how to make people like you" miss the point on. In recent months its become very apparent to me that socializing isn't really seduction. For example, being interested in someone is one of those cardinal rules of having social interactions go well, or staying around topics such as Family Occupation Recreation Dreams. While I am being a perfectly normal and polite human being for this style of socializing, it is a killjoy for anything seduction. It subcommunicates boredom to the girl.

                            [–]zephyrprime 37 points38 points  (19 children)

                            I agree with what you're saying however there is a big flaw in your post. You frame step 3 purely in negative terms without positive explanations or demonstrations of what you're supposed to do. You saw that you shouldn't say loser shit - fine. Well what is the winner shit you are supposed to say? You need examples of this; or do you not know what they are yourself?

                            [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 49 points50 points  (18 children)

                            You need a how to small-talk guide? I mean, the whole point of you having to talk to girls before they'll fuck you is specifically to weed out boring and autistic weirdos who can't small-talk.

                            Uh... Okay, so I asked this one girl a the gym an honest question: How many drawers in her dresser does the average gym-going woman have that are filled entirely with psychedelic-colored leggings? She joked with me about wanting to know about women's clothing, to which I retorted how great my legs and ass would look and asked for some color recommendations. Which led to "Uh...yeah, of course I work out. We're talking in the middle of a gym", chatting about our kids, some light touching/giggling.

                            I was getting some tea after a workout on a different day, so I asked the girl at the coffee shop what the plainest, greenest, normal-ist tea she had was. Without any crap in it besides tea. After she recommended some blend of sencha, I then ordered a roobus chai with extra cinnamon. For some reason, she thought it was hilarious that I was fucking around with her. Must have been a boring shift.

                            I mean, you just talk to people, but without the awkward crap where you're trying to get to know them, make friends, get a date or number or lay, and that way you avoid them wondering why the fuck you're talking to them or what you want.

                            [–]Xaxsparrior 69 points70 points  (13 children)

                            Give us a guide to small talk then, because it doesn't come to all of us naturally. This is more helpful then being a condescending POS so....

                            [–]1Soarinc 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                            Small talk is all about avoiding awkward silence. It's not talking. It's more about protecting a woman from her crippling fear of awkward silence. I have seen women do crazy things when faced with too much awkward silence such as randomly lie about having to help their neighbors move out of their apartment at 2am, lol.

                            Basically just talk about stuff which has no meaning or purpose but only talks for the sake of talking.

                            "This spaghetti reminds me of that time in a movie where there was a guy chasing a car because it was his neighbor's car that (blah blah)" and just wing it. They don't care if what you just said makes any sense.

                            They are women and recognize you're just making small talk. In fact, if they call you out on it you can actually neg them by acting like it was totally obvious you're just making small talk.

                            [–]slay_it_forward 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            Say what you see with a twist. Accuse her of stupid shit. Tease her like a little sister. Ask her questions like, tell me the craziest thing you did in the past 6 months, tell me something your parents don't know about you, tell me a guilty pleasure, etc

                            [–]Andrew54321 21 points22 points  (6 children)

                            You want your food chewed for you too?

                            It's simple: say what you want to say even if you think its stupid and boring. Why? Because you are a man and that is plenty enough to enjoy consentual sex with a woman.

                            Most likely issue with not being able to start small talk: violation of "caring but not that much". Care too much and it's repulsive. Don't care at all and you're both indifferent.

                            Small-talk walkthru:

                            1. Look for something funny to you.
                            2. Tell her about it.
                            3. Care but not that much.

                            [–]LegoCamel6 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                            [–]TRP_Lee_zard 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                            For someone who has never chewed food before - yeah, it's necessary to show them how it's done.

                            If you would go to the gym and someone gave you 100kg on a bar and told you: just squat, it's easy.

                            [–]J_the_Assassin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            What helped me was going on random dating apps. Make two accounts. 1) your normal self. 2) the guy you want to be- the guy who isn't scared to say shit or anything about a woman. Don't be scared to ask for pics, witty banter, etc. just go for it.

                            Number two you will get way more replies, pictures, and hookups than number one. Start to just be the "cool" guy.

                            Keep practicing on apps. I was seriously too scared to talk to a girl in public 4 years ago. Go from apps to talking in person. Now I'm seriously hooking up almost every night with different girls.

                            I can't tell you what exactly to say. Watch a lot of stand up comedy. Become witty. Practice playful jokes. Learn to read people's non-verbals.

                            Good luck.

                            [–]J_the_Assassin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Also, don't be afraid to be a dick. Put your foot down. The other guy made a good point. You're talking to her emotions- not her. Assert yourself.

                            [–]laserdicks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            I think the issue is that you're asking for an art-form to be explained in steps. There are HEAPS of styles, and a small proportion will suit you comfortably.

                            Unfortunately I think this aspect is more based in skill than understanding, and hence is built through practice rather than learning.

                            [–]BestSC86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            If you look at their site, it is primarily full of condescending jackwads throwing aspersions at all sorts of other people.

                            It is what they do.....one dude in particular is constantly labeling people loser in every post but regardless of the article, he uses the exact same videophotos for every single one which leads me to believe that he got extremely lucky with a seriously damaged girl this one time and thinks that he is now some master jedi-level fuck master.

                            Condescending jerkwads is what they do...

                            [–]jackandjill22 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                            I agree with all of this but there's legitimately no way to make small talk without it coming off like you're an idiot or a complete moron.

                            • She already knows

                            If two people of the opposite gender ask each other an obvious question to start a conversation they're practically saying, "How long until we're shoving each other's genitals inside of one another for 3 hours."

                            When you walk up to a girl there's literally no excuse you can make to have a conversation because you don't know her, the only honest thing you can say is "I want to Fuck your face" & go from there. "......Uh I want to put my penis in the lowest hole of your head." -Louis C. K.

                            [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                            It's all really just a dance to pretend women aren't sluts. You had this random, zany conversation, there were sparks, and things just happened. No slutting involved.

                            Protecting her slutting is a demonstration of your knowledge of social norms.

                            [–]AnjaJutta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            You are an absolute legend sir. Tip of the hat.

                            [–]Darmok-on-the-Ocean 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                            I'm not offended by the post title, but I do feel the need to say that I'm autistic and don't really have a problem with woman or getting sex. (Though it took some effort to get here.)

                            I don't really like people using "autism" as parlance for "awkward loser."

                            [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                            I though about titling the post "autism except for Darmok" but figured you'd understand. Forgot you were autistic.

                            [–]BiteAndThrow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            Man, you made me laugh for a minute straight

                            [–]RPmatrix 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                            fantastic post ... well written, to the point and Bang on!

                            this needs to be repeated;

                            • So many guys approach girls with the best of intentions, then start talking and talking, trying to find some kind of common ground with the woman. Something to talk about. To make a friendly connection. To try to establish some kind of emotional intimacy. To actually chat with her, like you might with your friends. They think that this makes a woman comfortable with them, makes her like them, and makes her more willing to go home and fuck them. And that seems pretty logical, because we’ve spent our whole lives thinking women are supposed to want emotional intimacy before having sex, and women have spent their whole lives convincing themselves that emotional intimacy precedes sex. And it sure would make sense if emotional intimacy preceded sex.

                            And Arch is spot on with his ways to 'fix/stop' this type of behavior, for as he says at the end and I couldn't agree more;

                            a pre-fuck interaction with a girl is night-and-day different than a normal conversation, because you’re not having a conversation. You’re exchanging demonstrations of social aptitude.

                            Exactly, it never failed to amuse and amaze me 'how different' women become when they're naked in your bed, and how much their behavior changes bot towards you and in general, after some really satisfying sex!

                            "friends and sex" don't mix when gaming girls

                            Like this Aspie guy says about hitting on women! lol "Going for the cunt"

                            Then you start kissing down the neck… Now the whole time you’re doing this, you’re working your way downwards towards the cunt. Now, you know you’re going to the cunt.. She knows you’re going to the cunt.. Everybody knows… you’re going to the cunt. But for some unknown reason, you have to act like you’re NOT going to the cunt, and that you’re enjoying the journey down this creature…

                            ... So you keep kissing down… And now you’re at the cunt. But even when you get to the cunt, you have to act like you’re not at the cunt. You have to act like you’ve stumbled upon the cunt by accident…

                            ... This all takes between ten and forty minutes… and she MIGHT be wet. And that’s the foreplay that’s necessary for a woman. Now, the foreplay that’s necessary for a man: We just need to see you naked. Maybe you need kisses, caresses, compliments and licks… But all we need is you… Maybe we take our relationship seriously…

                            • When a man approaches a woman he plans on bonking, he won’t have much luck if he just directly asks her for sex. No, he has to start out by initiating a conversation about something else entirely, while at the same time subtly hinting that he’s interested in her. He has to act like he’s not doing what he really is doing. The girl generally knows perfectly well what he is doing the entire time, but insists on him pretending that he’s not doing it. She knows perfectly well he’s going to the cunt, but makes him act like he’s not going to the cunt.

                            I find this to be one of the most baffling aspects of neurotypical behavior. To me, it seems almost sadist! A girl would reject a guy who comes to her with a direct, honest approach, but accepts the guy who tricks her into sleeping with him. Essentially, whoever is the best liar will have the most success. Whoever can approach his task in the sneakiest manner possible will get the best results. Seducing a woman often amounts to little more than a “dishonesty test” of sorts.

                            It’s no wonder so many marriages fail. That is, aside from the fact that marriage involves having sex with only one person for your entire lives, but I don’t want to go off on that tangent for this article; it’d complicate things too much. I mean, it’s no wonder so many marriages fail, given that the first thing that attracted the couple to each other is how well they can lie; how well they can act; how good their “game” is. This acting is something that requires a lot of energy, and can’t be maintained 24/7. Once you start living with someone, you’ll eventually get to know what type of person they really are, and might realize he/she is just an ordinary, boring asshole.

                            So what the hell is the logic behind all of this subtlety? Is it simply for the sake of a more aesthetically pleasing seduction, or is there actually a scientific reason behind it? As an Aspie, it makes no sense to me! Why would the personality trait of being a good liar be such a desirable one?

                            I think this guy's pov is hilariously spot on! Pretty fucking funny too!

                            [–]farooq7 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                            "Respect women enough to try and actually fuck them" my new motto

                            [–]MrAnderzon 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                            How do you know your doing what this post said correctly

                            [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                            That's like asking "How do you know if you're driving a car correctly" after reading the manual. You read the manual, then put it down and get in a car and drive. You'll know when you're doing it correctly.

                            So, read, then do. You'll know if you got it right.

                            [–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            Eye twinkles/wet panties/them chasing you

                            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                            Respect women enough to actually try to fuck them.

                            I think this is one of the reason why Married Red Pill works most of the time. Honesty means telling your wife that you are horny and plan to fuck her later. If you do the dishes or any other covert contracting it is not sexually appealing but even more so it is actually disrespectful.

                            [–]Theunforgiven193 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            Yeah. The thing is. It's impossible to turn of your sex drive (and it shows in your microexpressions). So they know you're lying when you don't acknowledge to yourself and them that you want to fuck their brains out. It's all about accepting that you're a fucking monkey that wants to fuck women.

                            [–]Daansn3 7 points8 points  (15 children)

                            After reading this self-esteem boosting title I myself ( a person with autism) am left with one question.

                            So I should just fuck off, not procreate and die? I already know this isn't the case because I have the unwavering belief that I am worth just as much if not more than 99% of humans. I simply do not like to look you in the fucking eyes while talking and when I do I can't for the life of me figure out what your expression is actually saying(I get it right about 50% of the time now. yay me).

                            And since I (luckily) didn't have to depend on a shit theory like yours to teach me I succeeded.

                            1. is crap. Its about the body language. body language is affected by self esteem and self worth. A good upbringing helps with having the self esteem and confidence and in the short run so does looking fit and/or well dressed. However, what you need is to like yourself just for being you, even if you're badly burned. If looks mattered game would not work and in my experience, game works. Dont assume you know what women think is attractive, the remainder of your post proves you don't.

                            2. you are brushing over just about everything but yeah sure, escalate. saying flirty stuff doesn't fall in this area though, intent does. I can flirt with 2 girls who are at a venue together, the one I want knows I'm flirting with her for real. She also knows I'm smart enough to realise that the other doesn't want to be left out of the conversation and appreciates that. (old pua things call it social proofing I think.)

                            3. loser shit? Being socially awkward is just a state of being. Wouldn't acting all outgoing and forcing conversation be loser shit, since it undercuts that core belief that I am good enough and thus makes the whole game crash down. If I want to fuck without the girl knowing the real me I will get a professional and lie. Being socially awkward is something I have to work around, since silence creates tension. That tension needs to be released with a compliment or joke, or even a topic of conversation about something I like. Thats how you find out if there is common ground, if there isn't you just move on to the next. why the fuck would I want to talk with something who doesn't habe a single thing in common with me? (note how this all ties in to the belief that I am who I am and I am fine with that, even if other people think it's awkward).

                            Also, with talking sometimes less is more. Silence makes people want to speak. When people talk to fill silence they often reveal what they are thinking about your behaviour. This might be creating a hurdle for some people since it is more effective to talk a lot.(at least more than I do) However, for someone who can't read faces reliably it provides an alternative.

                            Your last part about pre sex convo being a test is hilarious. It isn't, it's to get to know you, maybe emotionally invest, but at least to asses if you are going to murder her in an alley or not. If you want those flakes to stop, start making your intentions clear and make her emotionally invested in wanting to see you again. This again can range from potential spouse to "guy at bar that had something"

                            Sex is a prerequisite to love. So asexual people can't love another human being?

                            sidenote: I hope you don't love your parents, because where I'm from that shit is illegal. Or your feeling emotion might be a little dependant on physical affirmation. (this is one of those self esteem things again. YOU ARE GOOD ENOUGH, even if no one ever hugged you when you were little.)

                            It is cute that you say being socially weak makes you a loser. From what I am reading, it seems like you're advocating getting your confidence externally from women validating you because of your appearance.

                            There is really no depth in a shallow man I guess.

                            Don't get me wrong going to the gym is fucking great but the boost in confidence you should be getting should be from the working hard for your own health.

                            Female friends often say that someone showing his muscles mostly tells them that the guy will have an inflated ego and shrunken balls.

                            "The last thing her subconscious wants is for her to go home with a hot guy, then find out that he’s weird and socially awkward and she might be pregnant with autistic loser genes."

                            So instead of becoming an actual person with depth and a develloped personality you advocate being a shallow moron who can talk about nothing actually worth talking about because you're afraid she will get emotionally invested and want to actually see you again. Instead you tell us to talk about....the weather or something? I'm really drawing a blank here. Anything she wants to talk about I guess, since we already know that the man in this situation is all brawn no brain. How does this show your social fitness?

                            isn't there this thing about not putting a girl on a pedestal? why the fuck are you presenting anything at all?

                            Maybe after showing how socially you are you can show her how fast you can run. Casually name drop the kind of car you drive while buying her and all her friends shots to show your financial fitness.

                            how about treating her as an equal you want to fuck? wouldn't that make way more sense? The problem most guys have is that they talk like they are talking to another guy.

                            It has to be clear that you have a dick and are interested in her vagina. You don't try to establish anything, you simply say things you think are worth saying, which they are because you think they are. Out of that a conversation emerges and during that conversation you get to see their personality and they get to see yours (assuming you actually fucking developped one while getting swole) During this conversation you make your intentions very fucking clear.

                            I might have trouble with understanding what other people mean when it differs from what they say. But at least I actually am an actual person and not some steroids&validation junky.

                            Most game aficionados will tell you you're lying. it is very much like a normal conversation between a man and a woman. Only instead of it being platonic flirting there is actual dick behind it. You are having a conversation with a potential mate not with a friend.

                            what the fuck are you even saying when you try to show how social you are without having a converaation.

                            Are you so social that no one ever says anything to you after you talk? If that is the case I have some very sad news for you.

                            If you're actually a good person like most people it isn't deceptive to be friendly and or make a connection you just also need to be clear about your inentions with her.

                            This might blow your mind but you can be friendly and want to fuck at the same time.

                            I know this is probably news to some of you but you can be friendly to women while at the same time being perfectly clear that you want to fuck them.

                            Disrespectful is thinking that you can't share interests before she has proven that she is a good lay.

                            If you're in this subreddit the female role models probably weren't very good ones. I should know, there was a reason I subbed in the first place. But I urge you to get over it. So what if your mother didn't give you enough hugs. Stop blaming an entire gender for your fucked up family relations. Get a personality and deal with it like the man you are pretending to be.

                            This became rather long. But its really hard to put in words how much of a fucking idiot OP is while also explaining why. The language and wording in OP's post is the same as with many of us who had a less than ideal youth. Lack of validation of the person himself and conditional love as opposed to the unconditional love a child absolutely NEEDS to develop a healthy self image. This shifts into blaming women for problems and a victim mindset.

                            It is profoundly telling that you see sex as a prerequisite for love but reject having a conversation before having sex. Saying that you first need to present your social/physical fitness to a woman which will prove you are worthy of attention. Conditional love from a maternal figure is hard to correct. Even while you think you're not putting women on a pedestal you still feel the need to get their (mommy substitutes) approval before you can feel confident

                            [–]Geleemann 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                            Great read.

                            I see it all the time in my town, men look like shit here, but pull amazing looking women

                            [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 3 points4 points  (8 children)

                            Man. Do you usually write book reports longer than the book?

                            I stopped reading when you said you were autistic, but maybe your comment will help somebody out.

                            [–]Areu4realm8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            lifting , eating well, and taking care of yourself makes you normal. attractive men are rare.

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                            [–]Bigcasanova 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            Replace 'have great hair ' with ' be very well groomed ' . If that means getting shaved bald than great , get a nice clean cut and keep yourself fit and looking sharp .

                            [–]Packie1990 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            Shave your head is the best advice to give you. Women like bald men. Its a weird dominace thing I've heard. Think skinhead dangerous look. Grow a beard as well if you can you may have to wait 10 years for that. Also you don't fuck with a bald dude.

                            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                            Despite not being bald I understand your pain.

                            My advice to you:

                            • Low body fat (around 10-12%) is very important especially for bald men or else your head will look like a egg.

                            • Maximize muscle. One side effect of steroids is hair loss since you're getting bald use it.

                            • Dress well!

                            If you do that you'll look good. Better yet if you're at least average height. You've age so a lot progress can be made. Krauser PUA is bald below average height and banged hotties and he started gaming after his 30s.

                            Ah and even if you're insecure about being bald never discuss it with a girl you want to have sex!

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                            [–]Ohzein 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                            3,499,999,999 more women out there

                            I cringe everytime I read this shit

                            [–]SkoomaIsaHellOfaDrug 11 points12 points  (15 children)

                            As someone with actual autism, this made me literally laugh out loud.

                            Women who do this pre-screening bullshit usually aren't worth my time anyway. I'm perfectly happy getting to know and hooking up with like-minded individuals

                            [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 12 points13 points  (8 children)

                            I thought someone with actual autism would appreciate the post. I mean, is it really that far off? Doesn't social interaction sometimes seem like a test to weed out the socially abnormal?

                            [–]SkoomaIsaHellOfaDrug 11 points12 points  (6 children)

                            I feel that way with any kind of 1 on 1 conversation. It's all a ridiculous battle of words to determine who is "normal". I've had 30 years of practice and faking being social so I know how I'm supposed to act, but all of that practice has also taught me how to really manipulate people if I wanted to be a real asshole.

                            [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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                              [–]SkoomaIsaHellOfaDrug 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                              Well I'm considered "high functioning". Social interactions are the biggest challenge for me though. Plus being ADHD and super light/sound sensitive.

                              Get tested, even if you just suspect. There's a lot of resources out there to help people on the spectrum.

                              [–]manvscar 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                              Agreed. This post largely depends on the type of women you want to hook up with. I doubt op will meet his wife like this.

                              [–]The_shrekler69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Women just want an aggressive, testosterone filled male, not some blue pilled cuck who talks about feelings and has a needle dick

                              [–]dietturds 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Respect women enough to actually try and fuck them.

                              Fuck. Yes. Good post OP

                              [–]Betterthanuatlife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Which is why you don't drink. I turn into an awkward fuck with no kind of mental filter who says anything and everything on my mind after only a few drops

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Intelligence? we all love it!

                              Social intelligence? meh, that sucks... that's not really intelligence, it's only trash-talk... who wants that.

                              Truth: You need social intelligence to understand that women do not consider themselves (or don't like to anyway) very smart and they like to be valued for pussy and beauty (but not get called out of it by perceived betas) so we must acknowledge both those facts when dealing with them. Knowledge, clarity and adaptability are all signs of intelligence. Social intelligence asks for all of them.

                              By simply presenting ourselves as "intelligent" we both bore her because she's not here to discuss shit (or if she is, you would anyway need to stir the conversation/focus away from it) and we stress her by holding her to a standard she likely doesn't meet or want to meet.

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              This is pretty much the formula of Mark Manson - http://postmasculine.com/improving-quickly.

                              Summary:

                              • 1 -Lifestyle — determines the quality of women you date.

                              • 2 - Overcoming Anxieties — determines the quantity of women you date.

                              • 3 - Calibration — determines the efficiency or your meet/dating ratio.

                              [–]BobbyPeru 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                              This is a great post, but the farther I get down the comments, the more autistic I get

                              [–]RedPistola 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              To clarify, is a proper pre fuck conversation one that seems like friendly chat in the surface level, but displays your social prowess covertly?

                              If not, then what is the actual distinction when you essentially say that they're not the same?

                              [–]cobalt1728 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Is there a guide on what to say to demonstrate the social fitness mentioned here?

                              [–]Herpnderp145 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              I guess looking at it, it's all about being comfortable in practically any situation. My point is that as long as she feels secure, you have it in the bag.

                              [–]Gearski 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              Where do I start to become more socially fit? Anyone got any reading material/insight?

                              [–]traveldeedee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              SO, HOW DO YOU TALK TO THEM?

                              You spend 100% of the time explaining the problem. What's the solution?

                              [–]manvscar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              You forgot step one - Demonstrate Value

                              [–]anooblol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Relatively number 3 isn't too hard. Attractive women are way more socially awkward compared to men. Just be able to stimulate ANY sort of conversation, and you're golden.

                              [–]segagaga 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Point 3, while fairly accurate and on point, does not always apply and often is a difficult sticking point for a large groups of people, often because it is arbitrarily and inconsistently applied (because feelz before reals). There are also some people who for a variety of reasons cannot execute point 3, such as those with social anxiety or language barriers.

                              For example, men who are deaf will not pass this stage irrespective of what they say.

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