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Blue Pill ExampleNice guy over on the dating advice sub respects the shit out of his date and doesn't understand why she ends up grinding on another guy in the club (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by CutLiver

The original post is at the top of the dating advice sub right now.

I don't think I've ever seen a more perfect example of how a nice guy thinks and how little he understands women.

The date started out well enough for him from the sound of things. They're out getting drinks, she's flirting with him, and when he suggests dropping off his car so that they can drink more she asks to leave her jacket and purse at his place. He gets excited because in his mind it means she's going to spend the night with him. Sounds like everything is going swimmingly. Annnnnd then his blue-pill tendencies kick in and he drops this bomb:

"In an effort to try to feel the situation out (and also an effort to be a decent human being) I told her that if she needed a place to crash, she could sleep at my place without me trying to have sex with her."

So much respect. She must be dripping wet with all the respect he's showing her. What a great guy, right?

He continues on:

"She thanked me and said her legs weren't shaved so it wasn't going to happen anyways and I explained to her that I don't sleep with people for the first time when they are drunk anyways."

Totally understandable. A woman isn't just going to go out of her way and shave her legs before a night out drinking with a new guy. And what kind of monster would have some drinks with a woman then expect to possibly have sex at the end of the night? Only sexual predators, of course.

At least this guy's the life of the party though. Maybe his fun personality will make up for his niceness.

"We had a drink, got in the uber and started making our way downtown. (insert piano music here) Here is where things start to go downhill. I HATE busy bars and clubs. My idea of a good time is drinking a couple bottles of wine at home with a friend or two. Clubs are just loud. You can't talk to anyone and you can't do anything other than having strangers sweat all over you. I didn't tell her this of-course because she loved bars packed with people."

Ok, maybe not...

"As she drank more, she began spending more and more time on her snapchat. This is another thing that bothers me. A few snaps would have been fine but it quickly became a constant thing. And they weren't snaps of us, they were just snaps of her."

As if that wasn't enough to tip this guy off, here's the best part:

"At this point we were only half way through our scheduled bars for the night so after what felt like hours I asked her if she was ready for the next bar but she said she wanted to stay at that club for the rest of the night but I was free to leave and meet up with her again later. She was my date for the night, so of course I opted to not split up. I probably should have though because before long this big guy with a square head walked up to me and asked if she was my girlfriend. I foolishly said 'no' and he proceeded to grab her by the waist and began grinding on her. She was totally into it. So at this point, I didn't want to be the jealous date that breaks it up and I sure as hell couldn't dance with her from the front anymore so I just stood there, dumbstruck, and watched them 'dance'. I swayed back and forth with the music so as to not be the only person standing still on the dance floor."

Not only does he stay when she's already told him to leave in a nice way, he awkwardly "dances" while his date is grinding up on Chad. But that's ok... He puts up with it because he doesn't want to look jealous. That is, until another guy comes up and reminds him of what's taking place right in-front of him:

"I couldn't tell if she liked it or not. A guy came up next to me and asked 'isn't that your girl?'. This snapped me out of my panicked trance and pushed me into action. I put an arm around her waist and locked eyes with squarehead. He backed down and quickly disappeared into the crowd. She seemed disappointed but, to be completely honest, I don't know how she felt about the situation."

It's always a good idea to make sure other guys know she's yours, especially on a first date. Obviously she'll be all over him and eager to make sweet tender love after that display of bravery.

"We danced for a while then left because it was bar close. We silently rode an Uber back to my place at which point she informed me that her roommate had called her another Uber to get home. She took her stuff, said she had a lot of fun, then left. I sat on the couch and had another drink, emotionally exhausted"

Alright, alright, in all seriousness. This is a bummer for the guy, and he made a lot of mistakes. He didn't treat her like a lover; he took sex off the table when she was clearly a little into him because he wanted to look like he respected her; he stayed at the club when she tried to get rid of him; he stood by while she was grinding up on another guy right in-front of him; and he got jealous and claimed her as his own when he sensed the date slipping away. A lot of guys have had moments like this. The movies tells us this is how we should act if we want to get the girl, but as we all know, life isn't a movie. At least this guy learned a valuable lesson, right?

...

"I don't know what lesson to take from this or how to enterpret the meaning of it but I thought I would get it off of my chest and share it with you guys. I hope I don't come across as too negative or entitled. Thanks for reading this huge mess."

God damnit.


[–]BurnoutRS 931 points932 points  (116 children)

"you can sleep at my place and I wont try to have sex with you"

Fucking dying.

[–]Bshenron 316 points317 points  (58 children)

I did this to a girl I liked from uni. Safe to say she's not interested anymore.

You live and learn aye

[–][deleted] 239 points240 points  (56 children)

It's not merely that she "likes you less". It's that you strip her of her primary need (a need far above sex for her), that is: dissimulation.

Sex is "implied", and if you make it any more explicit than "implied" you'll take away from her the possibility to lie to herself (and having it "happen" later, of course not because she "wanted it").

This is the main dealbreaker, even more than she really liking you less. Females have hypocrisy and self-deception as their core mental need, and basically, if you mention something they want, they then gotta show they don't want it any more, and showing this will take priority over getting it (even if they still want it).

whew.

[–]Bshenron 40 points41 points  (49 children)

So in my case where I told her I didn't want sex and then when her friends asked me if we slept together and I said I didn't want to I actually made her not want it as a means to not face rejection and because I took away her ability to lie to herself?

Does that mean saying you're not interested in sex is the biggest pussy dryer out?

[–]yes_we_can_t 61 points62 points  (29 children)

Does that mean saying you're not interested in sex is the biggest pussy dryer out?

That's a big fat Yes. Asking this means you should read (reread?) the Book of Pook.

It took me far too long to get that women are attracted to masculinity. In retrospect it's pretty damn obvious, but I was so mired in the blue pill equality thinking that I didn't understand why they weren't attracted.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 125 points126 points  (27 children)

My virgin oneitis told me she wanted me to fuck her (I was also a virgin secretly). I said there's no rush :) and she lost it to another guy the same night.

[–]bcspdz 86 points87 points  (0 children)

Fuck, hit me right in the feels. Sorry bro

[–]red_matrix 16 points17 points  (0 children)

That's one way to get instantly red-pilled!

[–]Dragon_Garoo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ouch. Just goes to show... sex doesn't mean anything. Not to the modern girl. Had an ex tell me that when she decided she wanted to lose it to a guy (she had dated girls before apparently) some 35 yo dude at the bonfire party banged her 15 year old morbidly obese pussy. Food for thought. It just doesn't mean shit to anyone anymore. Enjoy the decline.

[–]throwlaca 29 points30 points  (13 children)

In one hand, that's terrible, traumatic and I guess you remember every day.

On the other hand, what a whore, you probably are better without her.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 36 points37 points  (2 children)

I found TRP the next day. No trouble swallowing the pill.

Don't you believe in AWALT?

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 10 points11 points  (1 child)

In a realistic way, unlike the zealots that so loudly proclaim trp who are just incels in disguise

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 31 points32 points  (9 children)

what a whore

A virgin whore? She was ready and available and the dude told her she was not attractive enough for him to hit it right away.

It is not right. It is just how they think.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (6 children)

Well, the point is: the less is said, the easier rationalization and whatever shield for her pride or else is for her.

Ideally, you don't say "I want sex now" and you don't say "I don't want sex now". They will also do anything they can to say neither.

I mean, man, I have been witness to unthinkable pussy-drying (as you call it) just for telling her "you are horny" (which I mistakenly believed was funny).

So the best guideline is: don't make her need to say anything on the subject, and say nothing yourself. Then manoeuvre your way to sex, and if she likes you and you don't make tactical mistakes, you'll probably have sex.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Yeah it's kind of a golden rule that you don't explicitly talk about sex with a woman you haven't yet had sex with. If she brings it up then you have a pretty solid shot, even if she says something like "we're not having sex tonight" or "I never hook up with guys on the first date" if she says something like that she's thinking about having sex with you and if you just brush it off and continue to physically escalate, and she doesn't push back, it will usually happen. I've had that come up a few times, I've also had dates where neither of us said anything about sex until we were in bed naked together. It's implied that if the date goes well and she comes back to your place you are going to have sex, just have to keep the sexual tension going and not fuck up. It seems ridiculous but it's just how women work, they don't want to feel like a slut so not explicitly saying it makes it easy for them to rationalize that "we really clicked on the first date and it just happened" They want to give the impression that they weren't going out specifically to get pounded that night.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

they weren't going out specifically to get pounded that night.

Well, this part can be true in a % of cases. However, they still get horny at some point later. And they also don't want to know it.

In a share of cases, they don't want to know it after the fact either. "I was drunk and not myself" (when all alcohol does is bring out the true nature of people). A fraction that comes out in a "I was raped" form, that when you hear it you don't know whether to laugh until your sides hurt or run in contempt.

Anyway, it is as it is, so let's take it as it is.

[–]mortalcoil1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Well I agree with you that alcohol does bring out the true nature of people, and plenty of women cry wolf on rape. It is possible to drink until you pass out and then if someone tries to have sex with an unconscious person then that is 100% rape. You are probably aware of that, but some of these young people on here nowadays need to be reminded of such things.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 20 points21 points  (4 children)

saying you're not interested in sex is the biggest pussy dryer out?

You took away the desirability cue which is a big source of sexual attraction in women. You literally told her to her face that she is not attractive enough to you to try to push boundaries and have sex with her. It is hardly surprising when a hawt guy starts grinding on her, giving her the validation craving that you denied.

[–]Low_Cost_Chimp_Meat 8 points9 points  (2 children)

that's one thing that the amateurs around here do not get. This stupid idea that you can treat a girl like shit all night and then she'll madly fuck you. Women run off of solipsistic feelings and want to be desired above ALL else.

If she is attracted to you, be attracted back. Act like an old school man and not like one of her girlfriends playing tit for tat "neg" games all night. That shit is so gay...

[–]mortalcoil1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Most people have no fucking clue what an actual neg is and why it is used.

A lot of guys are hurt by some bitch because they put the pussy on a pedistal, then come on TRP or some PUA, site, the first thing that sticks in their brain is the neg, because they are still very angry at women. In their dumb ass brain they think, I hate women and I get to treat them like shit and that will make them want to sleep with me? This is awesome! You see those PUA/TRP babies all the time. They used to be a total pushover now they are overcorrected into maximum asshole, and still go home to Palmela Handerson. You seem em nuclear negging a 6 or 7 and she either starts crying or flips out, and he doesn't understand what he did wrong? They told me negging is the key to sleeping with women.

[–]dec_cutter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Negs are completely unnecessary in 99% of lays.

They're meant to make a girl insecure/ chasing by 'innocently' exposing an insecurity of hers potentially. Key word, innocently or mistakenly. Not saying "hmm looking chubby there, fat stuff."

You can get her chasing/ insecure just by either being a High-Sexual-Value male in general .... or acting highly aloof/ Judgmental in general. That frame naturally makes people supplicating, hell some people even start supplicating to talented Pan Handling Bums on the street asking for change if the bum has wits.

So yeah, negs are completely unnecessary. Most guys here don't understand them (think they are just naked insults, that backfires) -- and they're only needed on slightly-hostile girls that think they are way above your league. And you shouldn't be chasing that anyway. You should be smashing HB10s who believe they're equal or under you already, because you're a master player of the game. And you go for easy lays, all else being equal. There's no prize for laying "most frigid or uptight bitch" - which is kind of the target for negs really.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Exactly, at the end of my blue pill days I was dating a girl who told me she was confused I hadn’t tried to fuck her yet because she usually gets physical early, and I replied that I had wanted to be a gentleman (vomit) and get to know her better before sex and not be another fuck boy (more vomit). Next time I saw her it was like a switch went off and she was no longer interested in me, even though I tried escalating towards sex like she had indicated she wanted.

Suffice it to say this drove me towards the Red Pill because I was confused and heartbroken.

Indicating you’re not interested in sex tells her that you only want to be friends, normal guys interested in a woman want to fuck, it’s basic human nature.

[–]general-heartless 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, obviously. Who the fuck isn't interested in sex? Okay, i challenge you to imagine two scenarios. One is a guy talking to a girl and saying he's not interested in sex. Scenario #2 is a guy talking to a girl and when asked if he likes having sex, he casually says yes. Which guy is more likely to get laid?

[–]RealMcGonzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I told her I didn't want sex

So you either lied to her face or told her she wasn't sexy. Not sure which is worse.

when her friends asked me if we slept together

Sometimes I wonder if I'm on the same planet as some. Cannot imagine either of these things happening to me. Anyway, I'd have to go to extremes on that question. "I was too tired from making pornos all week" or "ahh, you noticed she's bow-legged now."

[–]NapalmSunshine 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Please also note that, a lot of the time, if you are very blunt about sex very soon into a date like this it can have the same effect, taking away her ability to lie to herself about it “just happening” or how she “never does this” or she was “so drunk”.

[–]Radinax 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's that you strip her of her primary need (a need far above sex for her), that is: dissimulation.

I give you gold if I could. Underrated comment of the month.

[–]Shoot4321 84 points85 points  (11 children)

Hilarious.

Stupid though because if she did actually stay he would “try and have sex with her”. Better just to say “Fine to crash at mine if need, let’s go” - sex is implied, girls don’t stay over on the first date to not have sex with a guy they like.

Hint: You can become the guy they don’t like though (example of how to in post) in which they’ll stay over, you’ll be used like a hotel and become a “great friend”

[–]StrongAffordance 31 points32 points  (10 children)

Or don’t even say that.

“Can I leave my stuff here?” “Yep.”

[–]the99percent1 23 points24 points  (9 children)

“Can I leave my stuff here?”

"No."

That will get her wet within milliseconds.

To be honest, the dude nearly had her. Just slight tweaks to the way he talks and acts would have sealed the deal.

[–]Wolveryn 71 points72 points  (6 children)

-> “Can I leave my stuff here?”

"If you're lucky."

[–]Augustuscrassus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bro he could've said yes. The deal was closed and he managed to find a way to fuck it up.

The date should not have continued after that.

[–]Lord_Vats 40 points41 points  (10 children)

Yeah I cringed so much. He could have saved the date even from that blunder had he simply said "none of your concern" when the first dude came up ask him whether she was his girlfriend.

But when another dude comes and starts feeling up your girl, that's when you know that you're a beta fag. He's plugged in hard.

[–]mortalcoil1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's really the females decision. I mean, are you gonna start a fight in a packed club over some girl you've known for an hour or two? You pick up a girl who thinks a fun night is going to a bunch of clubs, don't be surprised if she starts grinding with another dude. If she was interested in him she wouldn't have done that. There was nothing the guy could do at that point besides immediately leave or start hitting on other women. He should have built enough attraction with her earlier to not have that problem, but really, who brings a first date to a night club. You pick up women at a night club, you don't take them there.

[–]mortalcoil1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She's a bar slut that acted like a bar slut. Fuckin George Clooney could be hitting on her and she'd still be grinding on another guy.

[–]conquistadordefuego 19 points20 points  (5 children)

This is hilarious, there's so many weak guys now that I end up being the guy that grinds their date.

Don't ask the guy, he could say something about it. Go straight for the girl and if you notice the guy reacting to it ask the girl if he is her boyfriend. They will surely deny it in front of him, and he'll be almost paralyzed while you grab the girl to dance.

Some guys will try to fight you and push you, but if you shrug it off as nothing the girl will immediately come to your "rescue".

[–]2CasaDeFranco 3 points4 points  (3 children)

A friend I wing does this consistently; even with married women (ring on) - he likes the challenge/amusement. I personally think it's a low-class move, there's a social contract that would respect another man's place.

It's a challenge to his dignity. In the three countries, he's done this, around 20% of the time results in a fight or escalation which ruins the night and your reputation with the staff.

Pussy isn't worth getting glassed in the face.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not necessarily. I was always curious when this happened me in my youth instead of angry. I never mate-guarded because I instinctively knew that the girl is just following what she wanted most. So I'd ask myself the question what does she like about him that I don't have? This is how I developed my inner game in my youth. The answer isn't to tell the guy that it's "none of your concern" it's to be her Chad so that no guy would even attempt that in the first place.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He should have just said "she's with me" and ignored him after that as the guy walked off

[–]CutLiver[S] 15 points16 points  (7 children)

I know, right? I almost wonder if he's trolling

[–]Gidanocitiahisyt 14 points15 points  (2 children)

He's not trolling. I could see my self doing all the shit OP did in that post.

Can we get a link, btw?

[–]CutLiver[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can't link it. The sub is dating_advice

[–]redvelvet_oreo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn I almost feel like if you spot a beta fag you can use them as an open to the girl. Might start doing that haha.

[–]5freetokens 9 points10 points  (6 children)

I did this same thing once, chick tried to fuck my little brother that night instead. He wasn't into it, a few years later I ran into her again, was repenting of my bp ways, tried to bone her and couldn't stay hard or keep from laughing.

[–]BurnoutRS 19 points20 points  (4 children)

I think when i was in 6th grade I haf a crush on this girl. I remember a buddy prodding me about what I wanted to do with her. My answer? "just cuddle, she's not a whore and im a gentleman"

Edit: because everybody thinks I posted this in a negative context, I'll explain. Im laughing at myself, not beating myself up. Jiminy fuckballs you guys need to stop projecting. Why would I be even the least bit concerned about something that occured at a point in my life when I didnt have the luxury of knowing any better?

[–]daringdeviljackass 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Okay grade 6 is still fine, you were a child.

[–]donkey_democrat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

6th grade...you probably just started puberty. Don't beat yourself up about not being masculine at such an early stage.

[–]my_sfw_alias 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Everyone knows this is actually the oldest trick in the book

[–]Je_suis_throwy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a super line if you drop it in the right moment in a flirty way.

[–]halfback910 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And here I don't let people crash at my place even if we do have sex.

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can't believe the dude actually said the last part of it. If he just said "you can sleep at my place", things could have went differently

[–]willowhawk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thing is you could literally tell a girl your not gonna sleep with her. But if you say it with confidence and a smirk which suggests that you both know she's getting the fucking off her life later it can work.

[–]2IVIaskerade 129 points130 points  (3 children)

her roommate had called her another Uber to get home.

Right, her roommate. And "get home".

She wasn't going back to the club to find Chad.

[–]TimPartendale 81 points82 points  (2 children)

She was going to uber directly back to Chad’s

[–]juliusstreicher 63 points64 points  (1 child)

It's a remarkable coincidence, but, the Uber drive looked almost exactly like the guy she was grinding on at the first place!

[–]Martysteiner 115 points116 points  (5 children)

I was like this guy years before, so I can understand his situation.

It's 100% true that no matter how she's good hearted, fair, understanding etc.(ie:bullshit) she won't think about you, not for a second once you start being the nice guy.

Being the nice guy is the greatest sin of TRP. Commit once and you're going to Blue Pill Hell, no repentance.

[–]askmrcia 28 points29 points  (2 children)

I've seen this happen quite a few times in person actually. But I'll provide an example that happened this past Saturday.

My friend invited this girl who he works with to hang out with us at some club.

This girl bought with her another guy. Now I couldn't tell if they were together or not at first, until I noticed him following her around like a lap dog. This chick grinded on me and my friend a few times while the guy she came there with just watch.

I just looked at him like dude wtf is wrong with you? Together or not, that shit is weird for you to bring a girl out with you to watch her flirt and dance with other guys. Even worse that he didn't talk to any other women while we there.

This guy was so far in the friend zone that it made me voment. Oh and it got worse. Not only did he buy her drinks but my friend and I as well. Kind of like he was showing off for her. And the girl even mentioned out loud how she was happy that she didn't have to pay for anything. Right in front of this guy's face. Some guys really need to grow some balls and honestly if he didn't mate guard hard I'm sure me or any other guy could have taken her home. Well to be fair she did tell my friend that she woke up with a different guy in her bed. Smh...

A similar situation happened with my cousin a few months ago. Brought a girl out with us and she danced with other dudes. After slapping my cousin in the face a few times he got rid of her.

[–]Docbear64 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I had a similar experience a coworkers "Girlfriend" went on a monologue about the evils of monogamy after flirting with another of our male coworkers, proceeded to grab my cock while walking by me, and then went onto flirt with a bar tender. My coworker who came with her went on to explain how she's " really a good person ....she's not ALWAYS like this" . I felt sorry for him but then decided fuck it he clearly has no self-respect, I won't touch her .

[–]Cryxtalix 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Can you reverse engineer this to get unwanted chicks to excuse themselves?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 170 points171 points  (25 children)

she asks to leave her jacket and purse at his place.

Now that's weird. Women typically never leave their purses anywhere. But she wants to leave her purse - and her money - at his place.

So much respect. She must be dripping wet with all the respect he's showing her. What a great guy, right?

He might as well have told her: "By the way, I don't have sex with women. I am a gigantic fagonzola. I probably suck dick better than you do."

"I couldn't tell if she liked it or not.

Translation: "I am a retard."

A guy came up next to me and asked 'isn't that your girl?'.

Wow. So the Real MVP gives him the most gentle Code Red possible under the circumstances.

We silently rode an Uber back to my place at which point she informed me that her roommate had called her another Uber to get home. She took her stuff, said she had a lot of fun, then left.

That was a mercy killing, on her part.

I sat on the couch and had another drink, emotionally exhausted"

Totally over-invested. And dumb. Very, very dumb.

I hope I don't come across as too negative or entitled.

/facepalm

God damnit.

This guy has Never.Had.Sex.With.A.Woman.

It's a shit-show from start to finish.

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    [–]SilentAlpha 31 points32 points  (7 children)

    The thing that killed him was his behavior at the club. He had all the time in the world to take the good vibes to the next level and should have had their bodies pressed together to the music before square jaw guy ever came along.

    Nice guys don’t know how to relax and have fun and this is what gets them every time.

    [–]Augustuscrassus 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    He should never have gone to the club. The date should've ended when he banged her at his place. Why continue to sell a closed deal?

    [–]SilentAlpha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I don’t disagree and that is certainly a better idea. I’m just working with what happened. Sometimes some extra booze and the club can add that more ‘wild’ vibe to the night. Irrelevant now.

    [–]ThrowMeABoneScott 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    WOW exactly. Nice guys don't know how to have fun. I wish we could expand on this.

    [–]SilentAlpha 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    It’s actually one of the biggest issues the nice guy faces. Often this is the key problem with guys. Body....lift. Income.....better job. Etc. Doesn’t mean your gonna get laid. The two key areas that get a man laid are embracing ones visceral sexuality and fun. And often those two are intertwined when it comes to what put people in the mood. The rest is generally irrelevant.

    [–]NapalmSunshine 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    as well as an excuse for the date to cover the drinks since they left their money (hint not id though) at his house.

    Just playing devils advocate here, but I often leave my purse at a friends or a dates and just grab my ID and my credit card.

    But I know why you assume she was expecting him to pay, and in all honesty, she more than likely was and he more than likely did pay for her. 🤦🏻‍♀️

    [–]Godskook 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    There's a practical aspect, since they rode the same uber. If he locks the purse in his room/apartment, it's untouchable while he's out with her, but since they're leaving together, she's guaranteed to get it back unless something goes gawdawful wrong. So she's planning to have a good date, at the very least. Poor execution on her part.

    [–]Zech4riah 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    Wow. So the Real MVP gives him the most gentle Code Red possible under the circumstances.

    This is pretty much the same I thought when I read the sentence. Unofficial MvP Prize for that dude :D

    [–]iampattym 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    what do you even do in that situation though?

    I mean as far as I could tell he had already dug his grave and the bulldozer was coming over to bury him.

    He could have recovered from the line at his place had he been a fun guy at the club and they danced together but by the time MVP showed his case was terminal...

    [–]kankouillotte 11 points12 points  (4 children)

    so let's say he didn't do/say the stupid things before the club, but still the scene with the other guy coming grinding on her happens anyway

    what should you do in this situation ? eject ? Physically prevent it from happening ? I guess if she ends up stickied to another guy it's already too late

    [–]FranckShmibery 33 points34 points  (0 children)

    The answer is always talk to other girls.

    [–]mummersfarce_is_done 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    Walk away. Withdraw your attention.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Flirt with other girls in the club, even better if you can get them to dance and grind on you right in front of her.

    [–]the99percent1 32 points33 points  (3 children)

    The fact she took an uber back with him instead of going home to have her brains fucked with the other guy suggest she is actually a nice girl.

    Dude messed up big time. Can empathise with him though. We have all been there.

    [–]heartbroken_nerd 55 points56 points  (1 child)

    She was furious because she HAD to take Uber to OP's home. In the moment, hours earlier, she left her stuff including her purse at his place. She had to get those things thus she couldn't just ditch OP's sorry ass.

    I am certain she was extremely pissed at the world for leaving her stuff at OP's place. She thought he's cool and it turned out to be a front.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Lol no... she's not a "nice girl." She started dancing with another guy on the date. She went back with him because he had her purse at the apartment. She had to go back to get it.

    [–]1Inchado 247 points248 points  (37 children)

    This is the thing about nice guys. You nailed it right on the first paragraph. They have NO idea how the female mind works. None whatsoever.

    They're trying to learn to play guitar with a book that teaches chess. They've been told all these things about respecting women, being non-judgemental and friendly, that they should be themselves, etc. And it always fails.

    Little does he know if he had treated her like a little child, lead the interaction and act dominant, he could have slapped her ass in public and called her his slut and she'd be craving to suck the juice out of his dick by the time they got home.

    He got served a harsh and brutal red pill that should be enough to awaken him from the vile depths of blue pill conditioning. Soon we'll have a new subscriber who used to be a former nice guy.

    [–]Trooper_1868 86 points87 points  (7 children)

    Some poor guy is going to join and read that and be like shit, THATS ME!!!

    [–]Xilith117 12 points13 points  (5 children)

    Hahahaha. I'm not sold on subscribing yet but I certainly did read it.

    [–]Saberinbed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    dude i fucking commented on your old post telling you what you could've done. And look what happened haha.

    [–]CasualCocaine 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Holy fuck are you really the guy?

    [–]ohohohoholol 9 points10 points  (3 children)

    "Little does he know if he had treated her like a little child, lead the interaction and act dominant, he could have slapped her ass in public and called her his slut and she'd be craving to suck the juice out of his dick by the time they got home."

    I'm a bit of a newbie, how exactly does this happen? Is it just him setting a sexual frame and. Or displaying nice guy qualities?

    [–]indecencies 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Be amused by what she's saying, like she's there to entertain you and everything she says is as if it was being said by a literal kid. Don't take things she says at face-value. Be congruent obviously, if the conversation took a dark detour and she tells you some vulnerable piece of history from her past then act appropriately (this is where TRP philosophy gets twisted/misconstrued - this should go without saying).

    [–]cashmoney_x 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    They want to let go and be led by a dominant male. It all boils down to caveman shit- they want protection, strength and resources (often from different men).

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Like Chad taking her by the wrist to go dance

    [–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (20 children)

    You talk as if gulfing down the red pill would open the door to joy for him. The untold truth is: if a man is more sensitive than the unsensitive kind of male females crave, he's gonna stay like that.

    I mean, yeah, if he reads this Reddit he'll learn the right ways, and next time he'll earn his lay.

    What do you think this will do to his life, make it "happy"? Lol. Having to pretend you are a careless brute whilst you are not. Oh the happiness it gives you!

    So I agree all men should take the Red Pill. It'll cushion them against heartache, and get them some ass. Not happiness.

    [–]markdumte 64 points65 points  (13 children)

    I 100% disagree. Sensitivity is not a immutable and its not incompatible with TRP.

    You read TRP and your sensitivity will change. If you understand half of what TRP is saying, it is impossible for your sensitivity to remain the same.

    Also, sensitivity is not incompatible with TRP, you just have to be more selective on how you apply it, in fact TRP refines your sensitivity for the better. Instead of being pulled emotionally from side to side by manipulators, you can more clearly discern where your compassion and empathy is really needed.

    [–]zanzabar209 33 points34 points  (0 children)

    This. Nothing is wrong with compassion and sensitivity but 99% of these chicks in clubs and colleges do not come close to deserving it. They will drop you like you're hot.

    [–]mummersfarce_is_done 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    You are correct bruh. But I find myself struggling to find a good place to put my compassion on. I became far too aloof and apathetic to my liking.

    Even friends and family don't seem to be deserving much compassion, so what then? My work? My hobbies?

    [–]markdumte 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Are you a young man? If you are young and discovering TRP don't worry too much. Young people need to be a bit selfish and narcissistic (just a bit) because you are developing yourself so you need to center more on yourself.

    Once that process is over and you feel you are more sure of who you are in the world you'll open up some again.

    [–]indecencies 15 points16 points  (2 children)

    Sensitivity is 100% part of masculinity. Being gentle when you are strong is one of the most powerful things on the planet. It's important to realize that being gentle is NOT the hard part (just being sensitive and gentle is just being beta), it's being strong AND being gentle.

    The best example I can think of is the dad from the movie The Accountant. This is actually redpilled AS FUCK so read up. The dad knows that the typical "medicine" (read: blue pill) for his kids autism-spectrum disorder is going to lead to him just being a victim for his entire life. So he employs his own, alternative medicine and FORCES his kid to undergo treatment: exposure therapy (which I'm sure you've read about here, about going in-field and exposing yourself to social situations/women/rejection). He makes his stimulation-sensitive autistic kid experience as much stimulation as possible in order to overcome the mental blocks that it creates... However, his mom eventually leaves them because she just can't handle it. In the same scene his mom is leaving, the kid is having another episode where he's being overloaded by sensations and the father comes in and hugs him and calms him down... Next scene they're at it again with combat training this time.

    That is the kind of sensitivity that an alpha should display. Gentle, but not yielding. Strong and encompassing. Settling.

    Be good men, guys. Fuck bitches and get money, but be good men to those who deserve it, like your kids, your parents (not always but usually), your pets, and so on.

    [–]The_Handsome_Penguin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Yup. I was much more BPed than the guy here. I've been reading TRP for a few weeks now and I am certainly a changed person. Still a long way to go though.

    [–]AllinWaker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I 100% disagree. Sensitivity is not a immutable and its not incompatible with TRP.

    You read TRP and your sensitivity will change. If you understand half of what TRP is saying, it is impossible for your sensitivity to remain the same.

    Also, sensitivity is not incompatible with TRP, you just have to be more selective on how you apply it, in fact TRP refines your sensitivity for the better. Instead of being pulled emotionally from side to side by manipulators, you can more clearly discern where your compassion and empathy is really needed.

    First time posting here but I had to quote this for truth. I can 100% verify.

    I'm a very sensitive guy but only after a few months of lurking here my sensitivity has changed, noticeably. I don't think that I am any bit less sensitive, I am just very selective about when I let it take hold of me, almost as if I had grown a "switch off" button on me somewhere.

    I'm sensitive when watching movies, playing games, playing with animals, writing my stories/screenplays or playing music etc. I can empathize with friends, family, even foreigners when I think they need it, and be there for them.

    But at the same time I give less fucks each day about random people and can stand my ground in most situations. I can zoom out and try to evaluate the situation and if somebody is bitching or trying to hurt me I almost instantly distance myself emotionally and act based on my conviction and economic principles (opportunity cost, sunk cost etc).

    I am genuinely shocked at the effectiveness of this. I don't understand how it happened but I'm glad it did.

    [–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    This. Being a guy leaning to more emotional/sensitive side of the spectrum is not incompatible with TRP.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    In fact the top PUA's usually have very heavy feminine characteristics to their personality. You don't catch fish with dust bunnies. You use little pieces of fish to bait them.

    [–]mortalcoil1 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    If a man is sensitive he isn't exercising enough or eating correctly. You show me any normal, healthy man alive, give me 2 months with him, weight training and eating right, his testosterone will be through the roof and he will be a pussy predator.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I agree that accepting reality does not always lead to happiness but at least you are no longer tripping over objects in the dark.

    [–]FamousM1 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    Little does he know if he had treated her like a little child, lead the interaction and act dominant, he could have slapped her ass in public and called her his slut and she'd be craving to suck the juice out of his dick by the time they got home.

    Could you teach me how to get on that level of not giving a fuck? Do you slap any girls ass without permission?

    [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    Do you slap any girls ass without permission?

    I can see we have a lot of work to do. Yes, by all means slap away. Grab em by the pussy. They love it.

    If you are rich and famous (or they are sexually attracted to you).

    Slapping random girls on the ass is a great way to pick up a sexual assault charge.

    There is a book called "the Subtle Art of Not giving a fuck." However, I would work on my Aspergers and social awareness before I went to that book.

    [–]1Inchado 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    No, sir. Don't slap a girl's ass unless you've already built tangible attraction with her, in other words, after you've at least made out with her.

    This is because many guys don't have enough experience to be able to tell when a girl is clearly attracted to them, so doing it only after some success with her seems like a good metric. Don't go around slapping random girls' asses, that will bring you trouble.

    Assuming you've made-out with her and you're looking to maintain a dominant frame, then I find slapping her ass in public while looking at her with a cocky guy smirk, especially when there's people around, will make her crazy. She doesn't know how to properly react. On the one hand she enjoys being the slut of a dominant guy. On the other hand she knows she's not supposed to be seen in public being slapped on the ass by a guy.

    The point is if you follow this sub's advice, if you raise your SMV and if you build a dominant guy frame, you can bring out of most women their slutty nature and do to her what blue pilled men would see as the most disrespectful and vile shit out there and have her enjoy the fuck out of it.

    [–]Georgeaid 66 points67 points  (8 children)

    Saw the post. Most comments are just hilarious. You gotta read them, here’s an example:

    “He was a big scary guy. She could have been intimidated?”

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      [–]donkey_democrat 36 points37 points  (1 child)

      Yeah he was being considerate. And he even left after he noticed the guy got all uncomfortable. He could have been a dick and pushed back, but instead he took pity on him and left.

      [–]TheBloodEagleX 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      That's not just anyone's comment, that was the OP's comment. Even worse.

      [–]1rife_omeqa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Hilarious how some people think women are intimidated by men.

      Women routinely get asked "want to go back to my place?" by strangers and accept to knowingly put themselves in situations they have no control over whatsoever. They are at the mercy of strangers and the unknown and they choose to do it repeatedly but some people think a "big" dude scares them.

      That level of stupidity isn't an accident; it's willful ignorance.

      Asking women back to my place feels strange even from my perspective. If someone taller/stronger/faster/more powerful than me that I'd never met asked me to go home with them i'd tell them to fuck off. I know what my apartment is like and what suburb I live in and what my intentions are. They have no fucking clue about any of that. Sometimes they wake up the next morning with zero clue of where they are. I point out a window in a direction and tell them the train station is "that way" or give them my address for an Uber because they are so utterly helpless and care-free that they couldn't even get home or back to the safety of a known environment without help.

      They take those sorts of risks on a regular basis but beta's think they get scared by a big guy. Those beta's could write a list of all the things they think women might find intimidating then at the top cross out the heading "intimidating" and replace it with "attractive/turn ons" and they'd be 100% correct.

      [–]askmrcia 52 points53 points  (11 children)

      This is the perfect example of a guy that listened to what women say they want from a man. I wouldn't be surprised if he visited the Xchoromosones sub and listened to what those girls say they look for in a man. Probably been told his whole life to act that way.

      Yea we can laugh and talk shit about how cringy this is, but we know exactly where this behavior came from. Don't know how old he is, but hopefully after getting rejected a few more times like this will wake him up.

      Honestly though the story sounds weird. The girl left her shit at his place but then told him to leave in the middle of their date? Was she just going to go grab her shit later or something? That just sounded strange.

      [–]DrBalance 31 points32 points  (1 child)

      She wasn't thinking about the consequences, she just wanted to fuck Chad in the toilets and would have worried about her stuff later.

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        [–]Remingtonh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Chad at the club would have probably driven her to his place to pick up her stuff in the morning.

        [–]GenieGenius 24 points25 points  (0 children)

        Women are emotional, not logical.

        [–]truedemocracy3 3 points4 points  (5 children)

        This 100%. Was raised by a single mother myself - this is the type of behavior we were taught. This is what feminist nuts online are teaching men as well.

        [–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        This is what feminist nuts online are teaching men as well

        Yea I see it all the time. If anyone has any doubts go ahead and go to the xchromosones, askWomen, or relationship subs and make a post asking what women look for in a guy.

        They will all say they want a guy who's nice, buy them gifts, respects them, makes them laugh, pays for them on dates, appreciate them, ect...

        You dont even have to go to those subs, go to a dating site and see what women put into their profiles. If you're too lazy for that then ask the women in your family what they look for.

        The nice guys or guys in this post are guys that listened to what women say they want in a guy. If you want to get women, you do the opposite of what they say they are looking for. We all learned this the hard way, hopefully the guy in the post wakes up.

        And I understand your point about the single moms. I too had a singe mom and she not only told me to treat women like a queen, but to not even allow them to touch me when I was in middle school.

        Ofcourse it killed my dating life in high school then she had the nerve to question my sexuality when I didn't have a date for prom. Single mom's are the worse.

        [–]truedemocracy3 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        You can expect shitty advice from xchromosones, relationship, etc. but venture over to ASK MEN and you will see beta soy boys give similar advice

        Hell, there was a thread the other month there about a guy who had a girl over to his place and felt bad for trying to escalate things. the advice? "there's nothing sexier than asking for a kiss". "Make sure to ask if it is ok every step". "consent is hot".

        Of course the people giving this shit advice usually have rock bottom SMVs themselves. Never trust anything you here on Reddit kids.

        [–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Yea I totally forgot about that sub too. And yea that example made me bang my head on the wall.

        I was over on the AskMen sub not to long ago and there was a thread about marrying a woman with a high partner count.

        Majority of the guys on there were saying how they were completely fine with their woman having a high partner count. Blew my mind. These dudes were basically playing the role of captain save a ho. And the thing is, young inexperienced guys will read that stuff thinking its right.

        [–]truedemocracy3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        One has to understand the majority of reddit are low valued losers, ESPECIALLY so for women here. How many attractive women do you know who post on Reddit of all places?

        On the ask men sub a woman was going off about how her friends are sexy and like consent. Of course when I checked her posting history it was in marvel comic book and video game subs. Now either she is the single attractive girl on the planet who posts on Reddit, likes video games, and super hero movies - or she is a fat hairy armed low smv slob whale.

        Real life experience >>> what you read online

        [–]Xilith117 27 points28 points  (4 children)

        Hey everybody, I'm glad to see that you enjoyed my story. I would just like to clear up a couple points real quick:

        I WAS dancing with her before (and briefly after) squarehead stepped in. It seems I wasn't very clear about this.

        Yes, I very clearly made the mistake of being too much of a nice guy. I recognize that.

        As someone else stated, I definitely think she left her purse at my place as an excuse to have less money on her so I had to pay for drinks.

        Thanks for the constructive input, everyone.

        [–]CutLiver[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

        Hey dude. I'm glad you're not taking this thread the wrong way. It might seem like I was making fun of you, but myself and most of the other guys here have been in similar situations. It's good that you recognize your mistakes. Honestly, I think you could be easily landing girls like this if you wanted to, it would just take some minor tweaking of your strategy (losing the niceness, going for the kiss/lay when she shows interest, etc.). Whether or not you want girls like this is up to you though. Above all else, if you see a girl disrespecting you, don't be afraid to leave the date then and there.

        [–]cashmoney_x 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        "Ask someone else stated, I definitely think she left her purse at my place as an excuse to have less money on her so I had to pay for drinks."

        I was one of those guys and I am surprised to see you considering this as opposed to just writing it off. You have the right attitude; there's hope for you yet and since she was so attractive you must be fairly attractive yourself so you have tons of potential.

        [–]Steve_O-- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Look man, I just hope you're super pissed at yourself and vow that this shit won't ever happen to you again and start reading and changing your mentality.

        God knows I've made mistakes like those and when I realized what I had done in the past I wanted to punch a wall...however; I went on a self - improvement mission and here I am. In much better shape mentally and physically. I needed to know, I needed to hit rock bottom to break from my old habits.

        From the book, No More Mr Nice Guy: "What if this was a gift?"

        What if this was the date / thread that made you change? Take it as a gift!

        [–]FindTheBus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        If by some chance you run into the big guy again, tell him you appreciate him being a bro once you showed she was with you, & you're figuring out what women like (don't use game terminology, people who are 'normal' / 'naturals' have a hard time reframing what comes naturally to them into textbook material, it weirds them out). Be real about it and you might end up with a wingman for some nights.

        [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (2 children)

        I HATE busy bars and clubs. My idea of a good time is drinking a couple bottles of wine at home with a friend or two. Clubs are just loud. You can't talk to anyone and you can't do anything other than having strangers sweat all over you. I didn't tell her this of-course because she loved bars packed with people.

        What the ever-living fuck? It's OK if you don't like bars and clubs. But if the club isn't your native environment, then don't take your date there in the first place.

        [–]Andgelyo 21 points22 points  (1 child)

        Don’t take dates there period lol I’ve banged plenty of women from tinder and never once did I ever brought a girl to a club. Getting cheap beers at a bar or buying them buck fifty hot chocolate is all I’m doing.

        [–]uebermacht 20 points21 points  (3 children)

        Why don't you link the said post?
        Here: http://archive.is/msFzO

        [–]CutLiver[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Because TRP automod removed it when I put the link in. Thanks for posting it.

        [–]uebermacht 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Links of archive.is are not gonna removed as you can see.

        [–]SanJustSan 40 points41 points  (8 children)

        This man has three possible futures.

        In one, he gets a high-paying job of some sort and some post-wall chick grabs him by the coat tails. Children and divorce-rape await.

        In the second, he wears a fedora.

        In the third he finds this sub or something similar and starts manning the hell-up. He looks back at this moment as the inflection point in his life, where he finally realised he needed to change something.

        [–]RPangerandacceptance 23 points24 points  (0 children)

        The entire time I’ve been picturing this guy with a beard and a fedora with a bunch of open mouth smile selfies on Instagram.

        [–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I’m guessing fedora is the likely course

        [–]beginner_ 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        Well at least she didn't bring big guy along and fucked him in his apartment. Overall she let him down easy and treated him fair enough. I mean she could have stayed longer and woke him up in the morning to get her things. So many ways this could have gone worse.

        Else typical nice guy stuff. The sex thing is just lol. He actually did great before that and got her to his place. At that point he could have simply gone for the kill or get reject. But no, he was "nice" and then also showed 0 backbone going to clubs he hates just because of her.

        [–]OneInAZillion 13 points14 points  (2 children)

        His problem is that he didn't respect her enough.

        [–]Yuri_TxM 12 points13 points  (4 children)

        I guess all of us have been in the same place, and I remember it's really hard to understand what's wrong, because for you, you're just doing everything right but they react "unexpectedly", and you assume that's how they are. Sad for the guy.

        [–]spencerc25 6 points7 points  (3 children)

        React unexpectedly lmao that's the exact way to describe it. Then they tell their friends "man she was slutty, she danced with another dude in front of me"

        [–]Yuri_TxM 7 points8 points  (2 children)

        He'll catch himself thinking "why the hell this girl went out with me and then groped another dude? It doesn't make any sense!"

        Well... Until you know what's going on, it really don't.

        [–]spencerc25 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Confusion is one of the worst feelings in the world, and I definitely had plenty of it when chasing women before youtube and redpill

        [–]Yuri_TxM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        And women love to use it against us. They feel very comfortable with uncertainty.

        [–]Skyhawk_And_Skyhead 15 points16 points  (0 children)

        "I hope I don't come across as too entitled"

        Jesus fuck man. Grow a pair

        [–]Gozsayin 30 points31 points  (0 children)

        Jesus I know I suck at parties but one on one is where I shine. That fact that u didn't even talk in the car on the way back was the nail in the coffin. Even after everything OP had done that car ride home could've been come back season in the making.

        [–]1Ramesses_ 45 points46 points  (20 children)

        Send him a pm with a link to this sub.

        [–]CutLiver[S] 145 points146 points  (12 children)

        There's a theosophical quote that reads "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear." I don't know if that guy is ready.

        [–]1Ramesses_ 53 points54 points  (7 children)

        You may be right. I just know that most have us have made his mistakes. And there's not a single guy who finds the red pill who doesn't wish he found it sooner.

        [–]The_Handsome_Penguin 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        This! I only found TRP after I was shit upon and cheated on by my long time LDR. I was the blindest BP guy that ever was.

        Reading TRP is like a whole new world of truth. I cringe so much at my earlier ignorant self now. I definitely wish I'd found out TRP earlier before I got so much emotionally invested in this girl. Still getting over the regular episodes of hurt and pain.

        [–]1OneRedSock 4 points5 points  (3 children)

        Every RP man would have liked the knowledge sooner, just as the earlier version of the same man would have assuredly rejected that very knowledge.

        /u/CutLiver has it right: when the time comes he will search why his attempts with women constantly fail. And he'll inevitably find his way to some form of the manosphere. But he needs a "mental break" with the bluepill to initiate this search on his own; it can't be foisted upon him preemptively.

        As it stands, he sleeps cozy at night thanks to his bluepill delusion. Sure, he didn't get sex; but darned if he isn't just one of the nicest guys you ever did meet - by golly gosh. And he respects women more than he respects his own sexuality; now that's being a Real ManTM .

        [–]Steve_O-- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        That's exactly how I found TRP - I had to hit rock bottom, I was confused, knowledge hungry, fed up with letting good horses slip away from my hands and not knowing why. I was clueless, angry, disappointed.... now I'm on a mission to change my mind, I cringe at other guys when they do BP crap like I did in the past.

        And yes, I wish I would had known this earlier.

        BTW, the guy that OP was talking about posted a reply on this thread last night and deleted it shortly after. So, he saw this....

        [–]spencerc25 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        It's easier to say that in hindsight though. TRP sticks because you don't want to go through the same experience of rejection again. If you don't have that rejection first, TRP principles may not stick. Remember, most blue pill guys probably consider themselves at least above average with the women.

        [–]jbnw17 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        I can definitely identify with this quote

        [–]eccentricrealist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Maybe try this thread. He'll see we're genuinely interested in helping out people like him because a lot of us actually were like him

        [–]Rudeyyyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        At least link him to No More Mr Nice Guy. I was cringing the whole time reading this.

        [–]donkey_democrat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Maybe, but you could still offer. You are right in that you don't want him to immediately reject the sub, but there is also the chance that he would also browse immediately and begin his transformation sooner.

        Given what we know of his current situation and mentality, perhaps a well written and persuasive introduction to this sub would win him over. I think the catalyst here is his recent failure, and perhaps he will build himself in the right direction since he is starting from nothing (as opposed to having mild blue pill success and restoring his faith in that strategy)

        [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 54 points55 points  (1 child)

        Why? So he can go "GET AWAY FROM ME YOU MISOGYNIST ASSHOLES!!! HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!!!"

        If he ever wises up, he'll find us. If not, fuck him. He's a retard who doesn't deserve our help.

        [–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 16 points17 points  (0 children)

        +1.

        Hold his hand and he’ll stay a child longer.

        [–]juliusstreicher 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        No way! This guy will not be helped! Did you read that he was STILL worried about being entitled, even at the END of his story?

        No, he has years more of White Knighting to go...

        [–]shubhidoobi 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        Rule No. 1: Don't preach TRP.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        He posted this 3 hours ago:

        "I just Googled shit tests and realized that half of everything she said was a shit test."

        Ya think?

        Gee, could me failing all of those have something to do with her loss of attraction?

        Somebody needs to tell the boy.

        [–]THEbigred60 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        I’ve been in a situation sort of similar to this and that was exactly the punch in the face I needed to get my head on straight. I kinda feel bad for this dude but he definitely brought it on himself

        [–]juliusstreicher 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        "In an effort to try to feel the situation out (and also an effort to be a decent human being) I told her that if she needed a place to crash, she could sleep at my place without me trying to have sex with her."

        Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

        [–]red_matrix 8 points9 points  (3 children)

        This has happened to me before, I'd be out with a girl, we'd go to a club and she would allow other guys to grind on her....in front of me. In my younger days I'd just dance, awkwardly and hope she'd go home with me - it never, ever happened. Is this some kind of bizarre shit test? Because that happened to me again later in life and I just walked out of the club, only to have her text me the next day asking 'what happened?'

        Also - if you're out on a date, don't go to a club...unless you want to deal with drama.

        [–]SlothOnRoids 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        true shit. Clubs and bars are terrible choices to hang out with girls you just met...only time I had a good time at a club was went with a group of people and we were just hanging out having fun, the focus was never to try and bring home some girl.

        [–]red_matrix 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Clubs are filled with betas and white knights - best to avoid. You don't need that shit behavior creeping in to your life.

        [–]SuperSchweinchen 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        Just gonna guess the comments:

        You did everything right, she must be a very shallow person who didn't appreciate you anyways, so whatever, right? You just do you, the right one will comeTM

        [–]rationalthought314 13 points14 points  (3 children)

        she said she wanted to stay at that club for the rest of the night but I was free to leave and meet up with her again later.

        This part gets me. If the roles were reversed the girl would be complaining how heartless the guy was for wanting her to leave and she'd have girls consoling her and saying what an insensitive jerk he was.

        And especially if he started dancing with a girl like that, she'd have been pissed since he was supposed to be out with her. Girls really do think of guys as disposable whom they can discard at a minute's notice without any thought to other person's feelings or any self-reflection on how that makes them look.

        Anyway, he dodged a bullet there as this is not a girl worth pursuing for anything for than a pump and dump. She's not going respect a guy who's nice to her as she has no problem with some hunky stranger just grinding on her without even talking to her. That's an unwanted pregnancy in the works there. Hell, she probably got an Uber back to the club and hooked up with the guy.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        I would have been like "alright" then ghosted her. And when she came to get her things be like "I left them outside for you. Get off of my porch" and moved on with my life.

        [–]ProveMeWrong999 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        Treat them like shit and you will be God in their eyes. Give them respect, safety and kindness, they will suck up everything you have and leave you before you realise how clueless you are towards what happened. #feminism #independantwomen

        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I am pretty sure it is more nuanced than that. This is a parody/Blue Pill feminist troll level understanding of Red Pill.

        [–]mortalcoil1 5 points6 points  (4 children)

        Honestly at 34, any woman who thinks a fun night is going to 5 or 6 different bars is not somebody I am interested in.

        I get it, they are probably way younger and I used to party like this and maybe at one point I would have been square head dude, but man, there are better quality women out there than bar sluts.

        [–]TearsOfChildren 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        I'm pretty sure us mid 30's guys are the minority in this sub.

        [–]mortalcoil1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I am well aware. This sub used to be really great. It has suffered massively from Beavis and Butthead syndrome. I barely read anything here anymore. It is way more PUA shit nowadays. People talking about pick up lines, and correct wording on lines, when a few years ago the whole point of TRP was it was anti PUA and stop with the games bullshit.

        [–]TearsOfChildren 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I subbed for the laughs, watching these guys attempt to figure out women is hilarious. They've got a lot to learn.

        [–]JoeAsheville 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I'll be 47 this year, and I enjoy every moment I'm here. I'm sure I'm less than one tenth of one percent in this sub.

        However, being RP is not only about women. It's about grabbing life by the balls and giving 'em a twist...is about being a real man that takes charge instead of allowing people to just shit all over you.

        Like many others, I just wish I would have found it sooner. It would have saved me a LOT of disappointment.

        [–]Warfrog 27 points28 points  (0 children)

        A moment of silence for our future brothers dry and withering penis.

        [–]PhaedrusHunt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        First date with my girl I went to take a piss. Came back some dude was talking to her. Close. I wasted no time. Literally got right between them, facing her, my back to him. He skedaddled shortly thereafter.

        A few minutes later we're dancing. ANOTHER dude comes up. Asks if he can cut in. I say no. He says I wasn't asking you, I was asking her. I say, well I'm answering for her. No. He skedaddles. A couple hours later I'm in her bed.

        Later she said how much of a turn on that was, and that if I'd handled either situation differently she just couldn't have gone any further with me.

        Claim your woman and stand your ground.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I was simultaneously LOLing and COLing (cringing out loud - yes I made it up). Why is he so upset anyways? The most important thing is that she felt respected and safe throughout the date. He should consider it a success.

        Edit: OK holy shit, I went over there and I was reading shit for fun. I started off laughing my ass off, but then slowly it just kind of stopped being funny and I just started to get horrified. One guy said he was 30 and couldn't get laid because he was black. LOL WHAT?!

        Another guy asked if it's ok to pursue a girl that he doesn't like that much. The only response is "no, first rule is don't be an asshole."

        And then the mother of all questions.

        How do I get dates with transwomen? I want to find a relationship with any woman since I am really desperate and I realized that I do not care about whether a woman is trans or not but many transwomen may think that heterosexual men wouldn't be attracted to them and not use conventional dating sites and apps. How to I open myself to opportunities to date transwomen

        After I read this one I just felt sad honestly, sad that our society could be failing so badly that a young man would be desperate enough to think this. Is that what his forefathers left their homes braved the Atlantic for? So that their descendant could live in a country where men are so desperate that they will date a man with fake tits and a wig? Goddamn. I need a beer now.

        [–]TheRealJesusChristus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        You dont bring up sex and say in the same sentence that its not gonna happen. At best you tease her a bit about it, but thats just.... emotional suicide

        [–]truedemocracy3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        God this is so blue pill it hurts. Even at the end when blaming himself for being entitled.

        [–]Remingtonh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        His first mistake was picking a party girl who likes crowded bars and clubs when he doesn't. He should stick to women with similar interests.

        [–]DrBalance 6 points7 points  (5 children)

        Painful. But the rest of the comments are just as bad.

        Once upon a time I would have listened to advice where they all circlejerk about her being a cunt, when pretty much every girl will do the same to a gamma male like that.

        [–]Steve_O-- 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        Oh god.... now I have to go read this! Lol

        [–]seducter 2 points3 points  (5 children)

        I see a lot of guys ripping on what he did without discussing what he should have done.

        Does this sound right:

        1. If they wanted to keep drinking, he should have just left his car wherever it was parked and cabbed it with her back to his place (wait wtf, he says they got an uber, why was the car an issue?), while teasing her about how responsible she is (is this any good: We could never be fuck buddies because I'm so wreckless and you're too cautious?).

        2. Shouldn't have had more than a couple drinks at each venue. Should have told her "All right, let's get out of here" instead of asking if she's ready for the next bar.

        3. She was on snapchat because she was bored, so he should have either venue changed, or pulled her to the dance floor for some grinding of his own.

        4. It should never have gotten to the point where the dude came up to them. The moment she said you're free to leave, he should have got up and left.

        Anyone have a better take on this? Genuinely curious.

        [–]CutLiver[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

        What he should have done is gone for the lay when they got back to his place the first time. Fuck going out to a bunch of other bars or clubs. He already had her. He was just too much of a nice guy to make a move.

        [–]seducter 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Ahhh that makes sense. So they DID go back to his place to drop off the car. Then uber’d out from there and it was too little too late at that point.

        Thanks man!

        [–]RedPilledGodEmperor 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Yeah, that part makes no sense. She came back to his place. Go for the lay and if she's not interested, have her leave. Although, he's too much of a nice guy to do that.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        I get the going for the lay right away but have her leave when you already planned a night clubbing and dancing? That seems autistic, not to mention butthurt.

        His big mistake was late in the evening not claiming ownership over the girl when he had the chance. Not many direct queries on ownership are ever made and he had the chance to grab it by the pussy. Instead he was inches from masturbating in the corner while his date ground on Chad.

        Is this your girlfriend? [Grabs girl out of Chads grasp] "She's not there yet bro but I have a good feeling about this one." All laugh. Tingles activate.

        Obviously the other big mistake was also not taking ownership. "You can stay at my place and we won't have sex." What the ever living fuck? Girl hears: I am not hot enough to make him desperately want me enough to go for it. He is not 'the one.'

        [–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I saw this post, most guys on that sub are fucking clueless and just perpetuate the bullshit blue pill social programming they’ve been fed, and rabid feminists come in to downvote red pill strategies in order to keep their narrative alive. I honestly feel bad for all the guys who get horrible advice like “just be yourself!” (Despite all failures that indicate bad strategy) or “don’t worry it will happen when you least expect! (Encouraging complacency and laziness). You know what they say guys, enjoy the fall.

        [–]TheWrathofShane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        "In an effort to try to feel the situation out (and also an effort to be a decent human being) I told her that if she needed a place to crash, she could sleep at my place without me trying to have sex with her."

        This assumes the women doesnt want to have sex. Stop assuming that.

        "She thanked me and said her legs weren't shaved so it wasn't going to happen anyways and I explained to her that I don't sleep with people for the first time when they are drunk anyways."

        Because a women getting drunk and going to a club is not going to want to put out /s

        Once again he cockblocks himself and he probably took her shaved legs comment seriously. Poor bastard.

        "We had a drink, got in the uber and started making our way downtown. (insert piano music here) Here is where things start to go downhill. I HATE busy bars and clubs. My idea of a good time is drinking a couple bottles of wine at home with a friend or two. Clubs are just loud. You can't talk to anyone and you can't do anything other than having strangers sweat all over you. I didn't tell her this of-course because she loved bars packed with people."

        Of course he doesnt like clubs. Clubs are all about dancing, a mating ritual, and this guy clearly isnt into mating.

        "At this point we were only half way through our scheduled bars for the night so after what felt like hours I asked her if she was ready for the next bar but she said she wanted to stay at that club for the rest of the night but I was free to leave and meet up with her again later. She was my date for the night, so of course I opted to not split up. I probably should have though because before long this big guy with a square head walked up to me and asked if she was my girlfriend. I foolishly said 'no' and he proceeded to grab her by the waist and began grinding on her. She was totally into it. So at this point, I didn't want to be the jealous date that breaks it up and I sure as hell couldn't dance with her from the front anymore so I just stood there, dumbstruck, and watched them 'dance'. I swayed back and forth with the music so as to not be the only person standing still on the dance floor."

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSvJaYxRoB4

        [–]VictxrSenpai 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I like starting out my mornings with a good dose of daily cringe.

        [–]drqxx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        This guy seems like a wet blanket/ no fun.

        [–]akq0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Well I think the sex thing is kinda weird, maybe he looked too serious? depends how you say it. 2 weeks ago I was flirting with a girl in a club, she was giving so much IOI, hair, touching me, teasing, laughing that at some point I looked her very deep in the eyes with that smirk face and told her "sorry, we are not going to have sex tonight", she made that weird face like it was the last thing she expected to hear, idk ...i said "yep", noded and made that expression like idgaf the outcome, enough to say she stalked me the rest of the night

        [–]showerdudes9 1 point2 points  (5 children)

        Honestly, what is the right response when a guy comes in and asks that, if he's bigger/more physically chad-like? If he starts feeling her up and she likes it, do you instantly leave or do you fight the guy or what do you do? You automatically just give up whenever a guy comes in and grabs your girl? (serious question, still learning)

        [–]Rtat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        most dudes are gonna be respectful if you tell them you're with her (i doubt guys would even ask if it looks like you're having a good time with the girl, the girl probably looked miserable with this guy which is why it happened), but if not and shes goes off and dances with the other dude just dip. have other options and dip. no thot you just met is worth getting into a fist fight over.

        but if she wasnt into the other dude and hes making unwanted advances on her you should confront, but that doesn't mean you have to throw fists. most dudes aren't going to be looking to fight

        [–]Augustuscrassus 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        "she asks to leave her jacket and purse at his place."

        I just went to the sub and said the same thing I will say here. She told him she wanted to fuck. He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. What in the bloody hell.

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          [–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The first thing I always notice about these is the complexity of it for a first date.

          ...only half way through our scheduled bars

          The fuck? KISS is so pertinent to game it even serendipitously spells kiss.

          "Venue bouncing" or whatever it's called, is shibboleth that hurts you more often than not. More variables = less control and the inverse is just as true. First date is always, something simple, take her to my place, escalate. She is always free to leave when she wants. If we bang she get's another hour or so of my time and then I tell her to leave.

          Dating is a skill, like anything else. The more you do it the easier it gets and the less effort you have to put in. When you can go for a coffee and a fuck in less than two hours on a first date, you're doing well.

          [–]INTJokes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          he took sex off the table when she was clearly a little into him

          Nothing in that story made me think she's into him

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          [–]pbgswd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Drop the bitch, walk out of the club, and go have a burger. End of story.

          [–]antariusz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Be the Chad.

          To paraphrase trump... Sometimes I just grab the hot girl at the club without saying anything, when you’re attractive they let you.

          [–]Andgelyo 3 points4 points  (2 children)

          Can’t believe guys like this exists, it’s like they were born Beta with beta genes imprinted onto them since birth. If a date was with me at a club (which I will never fucking do), and she starts dancing with other dudes, I knew I fucked up somehow and I would’ve left that bitch then and there. Dude should’ve talked and tried to get other chicks there.....oh wait he’s beta I forgot

          [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          They were not born that way. It is far more insidious than that.

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