1056
1057

CultureSerena Williams has a meltdown at the US Open - and the rest was expected (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by SKRedPill

TL:DR - The hamster quickly reframed the issue from on-court coaching and code violations into a woman's victim issue, totally throwing out the rulebook. Talk of sollipsism and shaming tactics!

Tennis is one of the best sports you can watch if you want to know what great champions are made of. A lot of masculine lessons can be learnt from it - mental strength, dealing with one emergency after another, what to do when things don't go your way, how to live right on the limit of controlled power and intensity, what separates the greatest from the merely very good, and more. The mind of a player is palpable in a match. It's an individual sport, so you're responsible and can't blame anyone else.

A peculiar thing about tennis is that, even the tiniest percentages in performance make for a very significant difference as seen on court, matches have been lost where the first player had match points and couldn't close it out, and the 2nd fought back. Close matches can be separated by as little as 1 point in 150, and the best players do that extra part consistently better than others.

So tennis is in fact one of the best sports to highlight the differences between men and women, where the 15-20% difference between men's and women's at peak performance (we're comparing the best of both, not the median or mode, otherwise that gap would be a lot bigger) can put them in 2 other universes of performance. Just watch John Isner serving at less than full power against WTA players as an example.

So for a change, I watch the US Open women's final yesterday. Half way through, Serena's coach is accused of coaching during play and the umpire Carlos Ramos gives her a code violation for receiving coaching during the match (her coach actually admitted to it btw and hamstered that 'everyone does it' - so this wasn't just pulled out of the umpire's ass). Later on she got another penalty for racket abuse as well and finally a 3rd one that cost her a game for yet another spat. As per the rules, a second violation gives you a point penalty and a 3rd consecutive one gives a game penalty. A 4th (which didn't happen) is disqualification from the match.

Just open up Youtube and see for yourself what happened after the 2nd penalty.

She went nuclear, basically accused the chair umpire of insulting her character (projection), calling him sexist, a liar, a thief, partial to men doing worse things (nope, I've been watching men's tennis, and even Nick Kyrgios isn't this bad, and yes men do get penalized).

She makes it into an issue of her being a woman and being black and what not, threatens the umpire that she'll ruin his career and that he owes her an apology. Eventually when everything failed, she starts the waterworks - makes it all about discrimination and victimhood (the ego loves victimhood, it's the hamster's best weapon), that she's a mother and has a daughter, wow. And when it was all over she claimed that she'll continue fighting for equality.

“I just feel like the fact that I have to go through this is just an example for the next person that has emotions, and that want to express themselves, and want to be a strong woman. They’re going to be allowed to do that because of today,” Williams said. “Maybe it didn’t work out for me, but it’s going to work out for the next person.” -- that's what the issue of on court coaching finally got re-framed into.

She also melted down in 2009 after the umpire gave her a double fault for stepping over the line while serving, and was disqualified for threatening the line judge.

Men usually argue with line calls, late challenges, time violations on serve, medical timeouts, illogical decisions and things related to the game. Usually men smash rackets (like Baghdatis, Dimitrov, Safin, and Paire smashed all their spare rackets and forfeited - and for some reason it actually becomes hilarious when overdone).

Women however, always make it about them (sollipsism) and their victim cards.

You know what's worse than this? Check out the twitter reactions. Google highlights these in my search results specifically. The hamsters are unbelievable.

"... Serena Williams didn't have a meltdown. She defended her honor on one of the grandest stages in a sport she's dominated for her entire adult life that continually disrespects her. Don't reduce her justified frustration to sexist behavioral stereotypes ..."

"... (2/2) When a woman is emotional, she’s “hysterical” and she’s penalized for it. When a man does the same, he’s “outspoken” & and there are no repercussions. Thank you, @serenawilliams, for calling out this double standard. More voices are needed to do the same..."

"...The hypocrisy of the umpire to penalize @serenawilliams in a sport that celebrated the antics of John McEnroe and Ilie Nastace is a blatant display of sexism #usopen..." - seriously just how does this shit pass muster?

McEnroe has been disqualified from matches and penalized numerous times. David Nalbandian was disqualified for kicking a line judge (unintentionally yes, but he apologized). Even Federer has been booed for breaking a racket. Andy Murray has melted down a lot until 2016, and he's been plastered for it. Djokovic would have nearly been disqualified from the French open in 2016 (which he eventually won) as his racket came within inches of hitting a line judge. The thing is that the men are aware enough not to get 3 code violations (which results in a game loss).

The worst meltdown I've ever seen was when Victor Troicki went mental over whether or not the ball fell on the line (and even there it wasn't as personal - there was no Hawkeye and it turned out he was right). Safin holds a world record, having smashed nearly a thousand rackets (it sounds funny now though). Hot head Fabio Fognini was kicked out of the US open in 2017 with a $24,000 fine for verbally abusing an umpire (a woman in fact), and lost all his prize money (over $72000) and points as well, and was hit with a 2 grand slam ban (ouch!) - but he apologized later and accepted he'd behaved unacceptably. Nadal is one player who never melts down - he hasn't even broken a racket till date.

However, regardless of what google says, at least Youtube commenters have more sense. The thing here however, is that google search results are becoming biased now. As if the media wasn't enough.

Meanwhile, Osaka, the winner, was reduced to tears at the end despite having won her first grand slam. Well, she's Japanese and shows conventional femininity. The crowd didn't treat her well, and she's not a Djokovic that she can just shrug it off with stoicism.

The umpire, Carlos Ramos, who's officiated both the men's and women's matches at all 4 grand slams, kept frame throughout, didn't say much about it, but admitted he stayed indoors for a few days for his own safety. And he didn't get a shred support from anyone, zero. Well, now they've apologized to him, but the whole apology thing was 'hush-hush', behind closed doors, nowhere near the publicity level of the comments made to him.

So typical isn't it...AWALT! The umpire argued with a strong independent woman, and the result was spectacular.

And the man got absolutely no support nor sympathy, was called names regardless of his standing and was essentially left to fend for himself. Even the apology wasn't made in public.

And before we say double standards, it takes 3 code violations in a row to be docked a game penalty. If this wasn't Serena's 3rd violation in a row, it wouldn't have happened. So much for rules. Once emotions are involved, women throw out the rule book.

It also serves to prove a point that I first came across in a "A billion wicked thoughts". Women with higher testosterone can often act more masculine and outdo other women, but this also turns them into AWALT on steroids, boosting all their feminine behaviours as well. The result is volatile. I have an aunt who I swear must belong to this category. It's like that girl inside is bottled up and comes out explosively.

And the worst part about tennis isn't even this incident. It's the fact that women get equal pay for playing 3 set matches matches that are shorter than the entire 4th set between Dominic Thiem and Rafael Nadal in the quarterfinal. In fact if I was being truly fair, I say that the fact women don't play 5 set matches means you never see the legendary battles and comebacks that you see in men's tennis, which are on a whole other category of epic and that's the real problem with women's tennis - there are no epic matches. The days of Graf's generation are long gone. Even technically the men are far superior to the women right now as well.

Maria Sharapova or Billie Jean King came up with a shit test that men also need to play only 3 sets in Grand Slams when asked about it, and it doesn't take a genius to understand that this would completely pull down the sport and make grand slams irrelevant. I think BJK even claimed that the AO final between Djokovic and Nadal took a year off their careers -- well, they're still playing at the top. That is what female egalitarianism does to societies in the long run.

I don't hate women players -- I just wanted to point out that AWALT is an inescapable reality despite what an egalitarian society popularly likes to believe in, if anything, in today's climate it's gotten worse. This incident became a good example of what happens when you start arguing with a woman - the issue of on court coaching aside, it very quickly veered off that, descended into shaming tactics, got real personal and another reason to claim victimhood, sexism, etc. And it's very good mileage for the media. This instant ability to reframe an event into victimhood is an excellent tactic, one that totally took the focus away from being a sporting event and into a women's issue and also totally took the focus away from her opponent, who won.

In consolation, there's the men's final between Djokovic and Del Potro tomorrow, and I am sure I will not be disappointed.

EDIT : And it was an excellent final - that 2nd set was longer than the entire women's final! Djokovic is back, and now he's on par with Pete Sampras. He's equivalent to playing against a wall on the other side now that can also attack, with inhuman flexibility and defense - but I wonder when the crowd will ever start to like him.

The only problem with that match? My SJW friend (a girl) posts about Del Potro crying and says "It's ok for men to cry" ... and a bunch of guys totally approve, one even admitting how he's mastered the waterworks. I wrote "Bullcrap" - no reply yet. Society now has gone beyond 'feminine correct' -- it now believes that feminine expressions are the only ones in existence at all.

EDIT : As it turns out, the statistics reveal a completely different story altogether - men players are penalized 3 times as much as women, and outnumber women 8x in the racket smashing department, but in the coaching department, women are penalized twice as much!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2018/09/13/carlos-ramos-returns-chair-serena-williams-row-statistics-back/

That's more proof of the reality of RP human behaviour right there.

PS : Guys, Serena Williams' husband is the co-founder of reddit... just hope this doesn't get TRP shut down.


[–]sogardnitsoc 157 points158 points  (10 children)

Youtube reactions:

" Serena had to make some tough decisions on the court. Do I use the race card or the gender card? "

" What an arrogant, conceited unsporting woman! Her behaviour is a disgrace to the sport. Tragic that Osaka for playing the most phenomenal match had to hear the stadium booing and will not make the headlines tomorrow. And no Serena, it does not 'always happen' to you here. The last time it happened it was because you threatened to kill the lineswoman and shove a ball down her throat. Stop playing victim! "

And the best one:

" Women and men are equal so these women should be playing 3 out of 5 sets just like men. IN fact, its very wrong that they get paid the same as men for doing LESS work. "

[–]SKRedPill[S] 44 points45 points  (2 children)

You know what's worse? Women claiming that men should also play only 3 setters in grand slams. Shit test, shit test, shit test...

[–]AppreciateYa 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yep. It's a perfect example of women pushing society towards degeneration.

i.e. pushing men's tennis to be weaker, with less endurance, simply because that's where women are at in terms of athleticism.

it's like a race to the bottom type mentality. ultimately, it's crabs in a bucket:

"gee, I suck, I can't do hard stuff. therefore you shouldn't either because it makes me look bad!"

[–]SKRedPill[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Extreme masculine societies try to take over and explode, extreme feminine societies implode and get taken over.

[–]tempolaca 24 points25 points  (2 children)

The difference between Youtube and Twitter is that youtube has anonymous up-votes, and in twitter upvotes (retweets or likes) are not anonymous.

This shows that the majority of people can see through women's garbage, but in twitter they are afraid (and rightly so) of the feminist inquisition, so only feminist tweets get upvoted.

However they have no problem anonymously upvoting youtube comments.

[–]SKRedPill[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Social media is feminine 7th heaven.

[–]LukesLikeIt 493 points494 points  (59 children)

How the fuck is it sexist when it’s benefiting another woman...............

[–]jonsonton 270 points271 points  (0 children)

rational debate vs emotional debate

[–]BoughtenCockloft 98 points99 points  (8 children)

Because a woman’s feminism doesn’t include other races.

[–]Typ_calTr_cks 53 points54 points  (5 children)

Asians fall similar to whites on the progresisve stack.

Her opponent was an asian woman, and therefore below her on the oppression pyramid.

[–]Afrofreak1 22 points23 points  (1 child)

The oppression pyramid... I think I just peed myself.

[–]Duchat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And everyone below you on your pyramid.

[–]1-Fidelio- 7 points8 points  (1 child)

only half asian. Half black.

[–]SKRedPill[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Solipsism means that "no one but me" can be at the top of that one...

[–]waking-life 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Damn I never thought of this before. Excellent!

[–]Cord87 4 points5 points  (0 children)

eh, I watched a pile of highlights and didn't see anything about race come up. It was all about being a woman and how as a mother she'd never cheat

[–]anticultured 17 points18 points  (4 children)

How can racism only be one directional?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Because everything that ends in "ism" is assumed to be one way. It's part of the victim culture. A pretence of equality while being designed to give special privileges to only one group.

Black people are not racist. And the greatest lie of all: women are not sexist.

[–]SKRedPill[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Speaking of sexist -- Women and other women...dear god. Much of the shaming of women is in fact a feminine invention.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right.

Slut-shaming from women is them trying to maintain the price of the one thing they offer men.

There's always a selfish motive that they try to hide behind "doing good for other women".

The classic "she has low self esteem" means "I would like her to stop devaluing my pussy by charging so little for hers".

Of course women will never accept any responsibility for their own actions so men have to be blamed somehow - regardless of how convoluted the reasoning.

[–]pm_me_tangibles 5 points6 points  (0 children)

when it's against what a woman wants and it's a man doing it - it's sexist regardless of what "it" is.

[–]D_Gandy 26 points27 points  (39 children)

Because she feels that the Male athletes are held to a different standard, not that her opponent is getting an advantage she isn't.

Also JFL at OP calling Tennis one of the masculine sports, fuck no. Boxing, MMA, Rugby, Football, Basketball all are far more masculine.

[–]Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff-- 39 points40 points  (34 children)

Football is all about bending the rules and tactically fouling as much as possible in order to get the upper edge. There's no honour or masculinity in high-stakes football, it's a covert, acted, psychologically feminine game, and the players are often man-children, they could never handle the pressure of the average tennis match.

Unless you meant NFL which is even gayer. A true farce.

Tennis is similiar to boxing, Man vs Man, Will vs Will, no one to rely on, no one else to blame, can't cheat; only the best, strongest, fastest, most enduring survive. You've obviously never watched top-tier tennis before, if you did you'd see the sheer force and power oozing out of the men on the court.

[–]JohnBugman 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I also love the sheer power and force “oozing” out of men

[–]NYCSPARKLE 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"NFL is gay"

"I love lapping up that sheer manliness oozing down the tennis court"

:|

[–]Usafrdj 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'm simply saying women's tennis. However I do agree about tennis being a great sport, it's one on one competition. Men's tennis that is. I stick with football being the greatest sport of all time. It truly seperated that the wheat from the chaff.

[–]Usafrdj 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It truly seperates the wheat from the chaff*

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree with you here, but I think boxing and MMA is too much about show and other non-sense, they dont go in with their heart and often I think both boxers are fine with the outcome that seems pre-determined. Like mayweather - mcgregor. No1 actually believes fights like these are legitimate, do they?

[–]PMnewb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Boxing and MMA have flagrant problems with poor judging and rule-bending.

Wrestling is the purest combat sport. There's no showmanship or vanity in wrestling, and the better man always wins the match.

[–]sourdieselfuel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminded me of Eminem's take on it:

"In football the quarterback yells out hutt-hutt While he reaches in another grown man's ass"

[–]omega_dawg93 3 points4 points  (12 children)

NFL football is 'gay?'

either you didn't play, or you think the violent collisions (with tremendous speed) that happens on that field could be easily handled by you.

boxing is the most brutal sport, physically & mentally. tennis doesn't compare.

[–][deleted]  (5 children)

[removed]

    [–]omega_dawg93 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    just tell any nfl or collegiate player that the sport is soft... and you think it's gay. that's your pissing match.

    [–]the99percent1 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    It's pretty soft tbh. Add in all these stoppages make for such boring viewing.

    Go watch Aussie Rules for a proper oval ball sport. Non-stop action and players have no protection at all.

    [–]1RPAlternate42 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    Football is geared around taking the biggest and fastest guys -Fodder for the grid iron combat- and having one or two true thinkers dictate the pace.

    Football's closest allegory is open field warfare: only the generals write the outcomes.

    Tennis is closer to boxing than football is. The masculine part doesn't come from the player sizes or abilities (those are top tier at this level) but from the 1v1 battle of wills.

    Football isn't soft or gay, but I don't think it's high on the manliest sport considering none of the players, save for a select few, can actually make outcome-effecting decisions.

    In tennis, like boxing, when the player fails, there is no other blame but his own... No one to pick up your failures, no one to carry your bad day, no one to replace you when you go down. If you fail in boxing or tennis, you're done. Fail in football and 10 other guys can make do. Or you get replaced by the next string.

    In tennis you are the next string

    [–]omega_dawg93 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    tldr: team sport vs individual sport.

    football is fast and violent as hell. when you're physically beat on then tired, your mental stability gets tested.

    tennis... you hit a ball. football... a 240 lb linebacker hits you.

    [–]haroldpeters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    if its not gay, why do all the NFL players date transvestites?

    [–]SKRedPill[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    It very quickly got reframed from an on court coaching issue into a women's victimization issue.

    [–]Prison4SideofBeef 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    It very quickly got reframed from an on court coaching issue into a women's victimization issue.

    This is going to end with only female umpires for women's tennis, watch.

    [–]NeutronStaRP 413 points414 points  (22 children)

    I felt sorry for Osaka. She had the greatest achievement of her life overshadowed by the enormous ego of Williams. First, Williams' behaviour was a disgrace. Journalists are glossing over it somewhat by claiming she called the chair umpire a "thief" - rather, she repeatedly insulted his character and integrity across a number of games, and had a full-blown tantrum. She was later proven to be a liar, which also makes her a cheat.

    It goes to show how low society's standards are for women when such people's actions are defended. An umpire who did his job, against sustained bullying and intimidation, who crucially was proven to be right, is held up as the villain while the diva is treated as the victim. Meanwhile, the rightful winner, who thrashed Williams, and just about everyone else she played at the tournament, ends up in tears because a foul woman stole her moment away from her.

    Modern women.

    [–]SharpestMarbel 108 points109 points  (0 children)

    This exactly...

    Osaka played well, which only threatened Serena and got her unhinged, which required her coach to illegally provide guidance from the stands. She got called on it and the rest is just a melt-down of embarrassments to Serena's career.

    [–]QQZeMane 47 points48 points  (0 children)

    I don’t know. Ms. Osaka played great, made her shots and kept her composure throughout the match. When the pressure was on, she won three straight games, including two consecutive service breaks, after going down 3-1 in the second set. That was what triggered Serena’s meltdown.

    She did everything right, and deconstructed, both physically and mentally, a veteran opponent. It was a tremendous accomplishment on one of the sport of tennis’s biggest stages, and her opponent’s on-court, petulant-brat behavior does not diminish Osaka’s accomplishment one bit.

    Not only that, but I think Osaka’s post match reaction, to having just won the US Open, was pretty normal. I probably would have reacted the same way

    [–]1atticusfinch1973 58 points59 points  (2 children)

    This is also one of the highest rated tennis umpires in the game. He didn't get there by making bad calls.

    [–]Leviathan97 55 points56 points  (1 child)

    And he handled it well. As a wise man once told me, “There’s never any need to raise your voice when engaging in an argument that you literally can’t lose.”

    [–]SKRedPill[S] 44 points45 points  (0 children)

    Twitter is literally hamstering it away. At least the google sponsored tweets.

    [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (11 children)

    Imagine working every day to the full extent your body can handle, having to convince friends and family that you mean business, that you're passionate, having to compete with every other person in your immediate training circles, waking up every day with a goal and purpose and having the willpower to stick with it even if you plateau. Imagine feeling the exhilaration of your first win. And then your second. And then disappointment in yourself at your first big loss, finding the courage to keep going, to get back up, and to fight like hell all the way to the grand final to face off against the person who inspired you to be who you are today. And then to be robbed of the opportunity to win or lose on your merit because the greatest female tennis player to ever live had to have a tantrum.

    [–]Prison4SideofBeef 40 points41 points  (8 children)

    So Osaka defeated the greatest woman's tennis player of all time to win the US Open at 20 years of age, and did so in such a dominating fashion that she caused Serena to mentally break down.

    Sounds like all that hard work paid off. I doubt she feels slighted here.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

    That's a good way to look at it, I suppose. But we have the observer's advantage, I doubt she could have taken that perspective while in the match.

    [–]Prison4SideofBeef 19 points20 points  (5 children)

    I'm pretty sure Osaka was simply happy to win the US open and is not concerned with this telenovela the US media is trying to sell.

    Serena was melting down because she was getting dominated by a younger and hotter version of herself. So she had to hamster herself in to being a victim of discrimination.

    [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    Have you seen the video? She gets Boo'd in the first thirty seconds and when asked a question later in the video Naomi Apologizes for winning in the manner that she did while in tears. This combined with the original vid of Serena going off at the Umpire makes for a pretty tragic watch.

    [–]Prison4SideofBeef 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Serena is an old used up hamster whose time is at an end. I am sure Naomi will win many more titles.

    Look at all the white knights white knighting for Serena, that's sad. Serena made it all about her but some how turned herself in to a victim martyr despite her being entirely in the wrong the entire time.

    [–]theboddha 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Osaka should not have apologized. Williams losing by tantrum is the equivalent of "you can't fire me, I quit."

    Shameful display by Williams.

    [–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Youre wrong then, she wasnt "simply happy about winning" she was extremely apologetic about having won, why do you talk about the match if you didnt see it? She cried and apologized to serena (which is beyond absurd when serena should apologize to her) and serena got the crowd to turn on Osaka so Osaka was so sad about the entire match and the fashion she won in. Even though she was 10x a better player than Williams, Williams managed to make it about "ME ME ME ME ME ME" and destroy what it could have been for Osaka. So if you think that Osaka is simply happy to win the US Open then you are incredibly misinformed and didnt watch the game, she was extremely apologetic about having murdered Williams on the court which she should never have been if Williams hadnt destroyed the moment for her.

    [–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    She did feel slighted, though. She was apologetic about having won which is absurd. Osaka was in TEARS (and not tears of joy) she was crying because serena and the crowd was against her and the moment had been ruined. Everyone should feel so bad for Osaka. The moment was completely ruined because of this piece of trash woman that is Williams. It shouldve been the greatest moment of her life and it proved to be a disaster.

    [–]NeutronStaRP 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Going off on a tangent a bit, but I think Steffi Graf still has a strong claim to be the best of all-time. While she won fewer grand slams (by 1 at the moment), she was equally dominant on all surfaces, in an era when the transition from clay to grass was much harder than it has been in the last decade. Plus she won every slam in a single year. Maybe I just don't like Serena much, though.

    [–]NotLuceBree 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    My favorite was when she told the umpire "Don't talk to me!"...and then moments later proceeded to KEEP TALKING SHIT.

    She fucking lost her shit and deserved to lose, plain and simple.

    [–]MurkyArtichoke 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    I believe Williams was Osaka's idol growing up. Imagine beating your idol in a Grand Slam final only to have your idol throw a tantrum like that.

    [–]bkrugby78 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I was watching this at a bar (it was the only thing on). Williams behavior was disgraceful. Here you have a woman, who has dominated her sport, has ensured she will be a legend for years on end, and she was losing. Yeah, legends lose sometimes. Sometimes Babe Ruth strikes out, sometimes someone hits a homer off of Nolan Ryan. It happens, but if there is one thing that annoys me most, it's when people are classless in defeat. That is what Williams was, classless. Osaka played her butt off, she idolized this woman, she deserved a helluva lot more respect than what she got. Instead, you get people saying what Williams did was A-OK. Well, it wasn't ok, not at all.

    As fans we all complain about the referee's when our team loses. "Ah the referee's botched that call!" It's fine for us as fans, but imagine if some NFL player goes on a massive tirade screaming at a referee. There would be articles calling him a sore loser and crybaby. Serena doesn't get the same treatment, hmm, I wonder why.

    [–]PPMAeurope 89 points90 points  (3 children)

    I lost it when she played the sexism card.

    [–]keystothemoon 60 points61 points  (1 child)

    The sexism thing is ridiculous considering that she also cited her motherhood status to the ref as a reason she should win a point:

    "Don't treat me differently because I'm a woman but award me a point because I gave birth through my vagina."

    This is such blatant hypocrisy.

    [–]SKRedPill[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Oh that's so AWALT. You know, if there was ever one thing that ever cemented why you never take women's statements seriously, this is it.

    [–]plein_old 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I had to go online to research and found that McEnroe was disqualified from a Grand Slam tournament for verbal abuse to a chair umpire years ago.

    These people talking about sexism seem to be concocting things out of thin air and then disregarding any facts that don't fit their agenda.

    [–]A_Midget_Stripper 326 points327 points  (22 children)

    inb4 this thread gets censored by reddit bosses.

    [–]the99percent1 179 points180 points  (13 children)

    Im truly surprised trp is still going strong

    [–]SKRedPill[S] 61 points62 points  (12 children)

    I hope they've archived everything somewhere.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 26 points27 points  (0 children)

    [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    trp.red

    Don't worry, we have good mods

    [–]Anthroider 17 points18 points  (4 children)

    There is a rp site that is doing that. I forget the name of it

    [–]tekn0_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Trp.red

    [–]El_Serpiente_Roja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Back up plans have been made a while ago if the day ever comes when reddit shuts us down.

    [–]SKRedPill[S] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    Reddit's co-founder is Serena Williams' husband? Yikes, didn't know that. Should read the news better.

    [–]bojsihtekat 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Reddit husbands/bosses

    [–]vkrishnan89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    i.e her husband? 😬

    [–]TheNotoriousKing 74 points75 points  (3 children)

    She just kept trying to shame the umpire repeating “ YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY!” x 100 no argument or logic just hopping she can shame him into admitting he was wrong (even tho he wasn’t lol)

    [–]charm3 49 points50 points  (2 children)

    Not only that she said -DO IT almost like an order. Nopoints for guessing the outcome if genders were reversed.

    [–]Leviathan97 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    If she had only left it alone after her initial monologue to the ump (“I don’t cheat to win. I’d rather lose”), she’d be a hero (even though she was, apparently, not only cheating but also lying about not cheating). The crowd fucking loved it. Never sell past the close.

    Instead, she completely lost composure. The errors compounded and the rage destroyed any chance she might have had to get back into the match. On some level, she must’ve eventually rationalized that a loss was inevitable, and then it was simply an exercise in finding anything to blame besides her performance in the first set and loss of emotional control in the second.

    The only apology owed here is from Serena to Naomi. She shat all over what should’ve been the proudest moment of that young lady’s life. Completely classless.

    [–]SKRedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Check out what happened to Fabio Fognini.

    [–]TheRedPillMonkey 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    It's a weird day when a post on TRP agrees with a post on the same subject on TwoX

    [–]PeterPansSyndrome 207 points208 points  (34 children)

    What's really funny is how people really assume that she is really the best tennis player ever and that she would stand a change against men. When her and Venus got shat on by the number 203 male player at the time (who a few weeks later was demoted to 600s).

    https://www.theguardian.com/observer/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html

    [–]SKRedPill[S] 50 points51 points  (1 child)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcprxDdAdeE

    John Isner, serving at 80% of his max. But that's 6'10' John Isner we're talking about. Still Federer could also easily out ace any one of them.

    [–]Blackhawk2479 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    The best part is he played them both in the same afternoon (1 set each), and whilst they were out on the training court preparing that morning, he played a round of golf and then had a couple of beers!

    [–]randomTATRP 61 points62 points  (6 children)

    I love that story. Hopefully next time I hear about women and men being the same, I'll bring up this shit.

    [–]the99percent1 37 points38 points  (3 children)

    They earn the same amount despite playing only best of 3.

    Men tennis is way harder bo5.

    [–]SKRedPill[S] 37 points38 points  (1 child)

    Consider this - the 4th set between Dominc Thiem and Nadal was longer than any women's grand slam match in the US Open - those guys were destroying the ball with a ferocity of another level. In those brutal conditions. And when the tie breaker in the 5th is gone, it gets crazy. This Wimbledon we had 2 crazy matches (Federer vs Anderson) and Anderson vs Isner (again), and the Djokovic - Nadal match went the full distance as well - two bull elephants at it. A 3 setter doesn't come close.

    [–]the99percent1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The longest grand slam final was the australian open final.

    6 hours of back and forth between Novak and Nadal. It was absolutely brutal.

    [–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Men should be paid more if they were only playing 1 game. Because the level of that game is infinitely higher than a womens 3 sets. its not even funny. It doesnt have anything to do with the length of the match (3 sets vs 5 sets) it has something to do with men being infinitely better than women.

    [–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (22 children)

    She is definitely the best female tennis player ever, largely because her strength has never been matched by another pro female player. Any men's player in the top 200 would beat her with ease though so it's completely ludicrous of anyone to say that she's the "best athlete ever" or "best tennis player of all time" and your example proves it.

    [–][deleted]  (7 children)

    [deleted]

      [–]kittyclaw200 16 points17 points  (3 children)

      If Serena was playing during the Martina, Chrissy era she would have less than a quarter of her grand slam wins. Serena is not an intelligent player, Martina and Chrissy would have exploited Serena's weaknesses which are many. This current crop of women players have no grit or composure. Most of the other players have no more than 1 grand slam to their names. Serena is a beneficiary of a poor group of players in her generation.

      Compare that to the current mens game where you have 3 GOATS playing against each other for many years and have amassed the majority of titles between them. 3 other non GOATS (Murray, Warwinka, Cilic) have a few grand slam titles over the last 10 some years between them. Murray and Warwinka will also be hall of fame inductees. It's really unbelievable.

      [–]freejosephk 41 points42 points  (12 children)

      She is most definitely not the best female tennis player ever. In fact, she is painful to watch. She is inconsistent on the court and in her win-loss ratios, and she is undoubtedly the queen of the unforced errors. Twenty years in the sport and I still see her hitting off her back foot.

      You compare Serena's winners to unforced errors ratio to that of Stefi Graf's and Stefi blows her out of the water; Stefi, who had an 81-3 year during one of her dominant years as champion. Translate that record to any other sport. It's an unheard of stat in any sport at any time in history. Only Michael Jordan's Bulls have ever had a similar record afaik.

      Saying Serena Williams is the best female tennis player is like saying Shaquille O'Neal is the best basketball player ever. I mean, a case can be made for that but is he really? Or is he just big? Is Serena just a big tennis player? I argue that she is, because her technique and her stats don't match that of a champion.

      I would much rather watch Stefi Graf or Justine Henin or Kim Clijsters play than I would Serena, just like I would rather watch Hakeem Olajuwan, Michael Jordan, or Kobe Bryant play over Shaq.

      No, Serena is not the greatest tennis female player ever; she's only the biggest.

      [–]bojsihtekat 6 points7 points  (2 children)

      Martina Navratilova was the GOAT.

      [–]Prison4SideofBeef 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      It's an unheard of stat in any sport at any time in history. Only Michael Jordan's Bulls have ever had a similar record afaik.

      What about Arsenal going unbeaten in the premier league?

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      In tennis, even 2-3% differences in stats translate into huge differences on court. Close matches are often separated by 1 point in 150, a discrepancy of 15 points is a wipe-out. The best players statistically, do everything a tiny bit better consistently again and again over the others, and this makes the difference between just good and legend.

      Now consider that women and men in terms of peak performance differ by about 20%. Women generally use bigger, lighter, and more powerful rackets which are also more forgiving to play the way they do. Even with that, the difference in athletic performance is startling.

      [–]Dolphinfucker 43 points44 points  (1 child)

      I don't watch tennis so I don't really know, but it looked to me like she gave up and was looking for drama to cast blame away from herself. I think she already knew she was going to lose, so when she got called out for the first code violation she saw that as her opportunity. She stopped playing tennis and started playing victim.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 86 points87 points  (2 children)

      This is the effects of a “girl power” gynocentric society, she thought she was bigger than the game, every word she said dripped with entitlement.

      If a male player had attacked a female official like that and gave him a code violation the world would be celebrating her as a strong woman for standing up for herself.

      As for equal pay, it’s simply ridiculous, if they want equal pay they need to draw equal numbers, that’s the only way it makes sense for sponsors to invest the same amount of money. Maybe women should switch off the Kardashians and spend their weekends watching sports before they go out and demand an entitlement driven equal pay.

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

      > If a male player had attacked a female official like that and gave him a code violation

      Actually it happened to Fabio Fognini in the US Open last year, with a 2 grand slam ban. He called a female umpire a whore and many other abuses in Italian. He was banned from the tournament (singles and doubles), forced to pay a $24,000 fine, lost all his prize money (he lost over a $100 k in total), and had all his points docked.

      https://lastwordontennis.com/2017/09/02/fabio-fognini-disqualified-us-open-word-abuse-first-round/

      For the hothead he is, he eventually apologized and said that his behaviour was totally unacceptable.

      And here's McEnroe being docked a game point for 3 code violations : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGL6AXcbDoo

      [–]gamerr222 13 points14 points  (4 children)

      Do you have proof for the claim that black people have higher T? I haven’t seen any evidence for this

      [–]redsporo 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      I can try to find it, but off the top of my head, blacks have higher T, DHT, and E than whites.

      Asians have higher T, and lower E, as do Mexicans.

      Some studies show blacks having nearly equal T, but none show them having lower.

      99% of the broscience out there (hurr facial hair etc) has nothing to do with T levels, but genetics

      [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 66 points67 points  (4 children)

      Women are volotile. Women are even more volotile when they take anabolic steroids.

      Putting the Win in winstrol. Puting the Lol in Stanazolol.

      [–]OilyB 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      Putting the 'a' in volatile.

      [–]vorot93 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Poor grammar and orthography truly are TRP's pandemic.

      [–]OilyB 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Fuck! That's Gaylubeoil I corrected and teased?! (Sorry /u/Gaylubeoil !)

      [–]Some_Random_Guy_1138 95 points96 points  (4 children)

      I have always found the "equal pay, less play" ridiculous

      [–]NoOneMakesItOutAlive 24 points25 points  (2 children)

      I read they’re going to make mens set of 3 soon so it’s equal. This isn’t a joke btw.

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 45 points46 points  (0 children)

      And that's what a feminized society does - turn everything mediocre instead. I hope that never happens. 5 set matches are legend stuff. And Billie Jean King and Maria Sharapova want to take that away.

      I hope someone out there sees it as a shit test. Anyone with an ounce of logic will laugh at the idea.

      [–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Nah they arent going to do that. But men should be paid more regardless. They are much better players. Dag&red soccer players dont get paid more than tottenham players and they all play 90 minutes.

      [–]ArthurTheAstronaut 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      Jesus man.

      After reading your post, I saw the SportsCenter snapchat story covering it so I checked it out. My god...

      "That's not right....this is not fair...."

      [while crying] "There are men out here that do a lot worse, but because I'm a woman...because I'm a woman you're gonna take this away from me?!"

      lmfao. you wut mate?!

      She knew exactly what would happen if she continued to talk shit to the ump, and that's exactly what happened. But somehow it wasn't because she received coaching, or broke her racket, or continued to talk shit to the ump after the first 2 violations...it was because she's a woman.

      [–]haroldpeters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      yep... she done gone red pilled some tennis fans

      [–]morningdew420 55 points56 points  (3 children)

      Recently subscribed to this thread and absolutely loving it. Nowhere else can you get these kinda posts before a beta or feminist starts taking it down 👏

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 44 points45 points  (0 children)

      The mods are zero compromise here that this should only be a space for men. That's why it works. Any other place and the possibility of a 'discussion' is exactly zero. Well, amazingly, they've survived till now.

      [–]1atticusfinch1973 41 points42 points  (2 children)

      Another major factor about the Williams Sisters is that they are all about marketing and self-promotion - at least Serena has been - since the start of their career. The whole catsuit thing at the start of the open confirmed it.

      This display of childishness and her arguing and whining also caused Serena to lose a whole game as a penalty. I've been watching tennis for over 30 years and I actually don't think I've ever seen that happen, especially in a major final. What this meant was that even though she lost, all anyone can talk about is her, she has videos all over ESPN and Youtube and suddenly she's relevant and trending again after being away for a year.

      You think that wasn't planned? Her PR people right now are drinking champagne and partying.

      [–]spiritxfly 18 points19 points  (1 child)

      And all of this somehow perfectly aligns with the controversal Nike commercial a few days ago to which Serena was the number one supporter(she wears Nike). Your comment deserves more upvotes, not sure why those downvotes..

      [–]Killing__Time_ 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      Bro. I was at a party yesterday where a woman literally was shouting that all white men are pigs etc. I didn't give a fuck but this other white dude decided that, for some real or another, he must argue with her. He said that this is a massive sexist generalisation.

      You know what happened next. Turns out she's half Malay (doesn't look one bit Malay, if you ask me) and decided that was enough to qualify her to bash a general group freely. Long story short, she made zero points to defend her stupidity, started throwing insults and making it awkward for the entire party, and that dude just decided to drop it after I personally told him he had nothing to gain from it (he identified himself as a third wave feminist, whatever that means).

      What Serena did was no different. Playing victim has, unfortunately, become a strength. Over time, victimhood will become the common rationale - how much repressed are you by society? You're scored based on your repression - 11 point for being left handed, 35.69 points for being born on the side of the mountain that doesn't see the sunrise, etc. Tallied up, if you get a high score, you're given previleges that you didn't get - so now you can be a doctor and operate on my hernia without getting a license.

      [–]unplug9000 16 points17 points  (1 child)

      I saw the US and UK news reporting about sexism, her fighting for women, blah blah. I laughed, because it's the same nonsense they always push.

      Newspapers in my country simply ran headlines that "spoiled Williams lost the match".

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Serena Williams makes HUGE BOLD SHOCK claim -- I've filtered out the tabloids from my google search, it has never been better.

      [–]Prison4SideofBeef 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      “I just feel like the fact that I have to go through this is just an example for the next person that has emotions, and that want to express themselves, and want to be a strong woman. They’re going to be allowed to do that because of today,” Williams said. “Maybe it didn’t work out for me, but it’s going to work out for the next person.” -- that's what the issue of on court coaching finally got re-framed into.

      She is encouraging other women tennis players to meltdown and cry and use their race and gender as a weapon against the judge when they don't get their way?

      What an epic meltdown.

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      If one feels the need to vomit something, whatever that is can only be toxic and it has caused indigestion at some level. The hamster has rationalized vomiting into strength, while real strength is closer to stoicism!

      Speaking their mind, saying they're only human...they're all rationalizations for the feminine tendency to periodically vomit emotions that have gone foul. All women need that emotional housecleaning from time to time, but usually it is not handled very well.

      [–]ArchetypicalDegen 21 points22 points  (1 child)

      Tennis is a great sport to see mentioned here. Federer is an alpha male without fitting the usual over-compensating stereotype we see. He is a man who focuses on honing his craft to absolute insane levels - even when he's on top, he improves. When he got old, he fought even harder to develop his technique. He's a dedicated family man who isn't afraid to show his sensitive side in public. He's also extremely respectful and grounded despite being one of the most successful sportsmen in history.

      I really hate Serena turning this into a sexism issue. Men are always hated for their negative behaviours on the court (and for good reason, tantrums are pathetic). Hell in Australia, we pretty much disown players if they're poor sportsmen.

      Serena being such a petulant child all the time is basically women being given a test and failing it. She could have embraced the positive traits of masculinity and been a good role model for women. Instead, she displays the worst traits of women for all to see.

      I feel so sorry for the girl who defeated her. Imagine achieving such a massive life victory, and having it be massively overshadowed by people claiming that you were handed it.

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Federer can be a crybaby when he wins a tournament (till that point he's very stoic), but only because he won and earned his reputation as a legend, and is otherwise as alpha as fuck. That's like one of two occasions where men crying is fine (the other is if someone close to you passed away). Otherwise I always thought he was a bit too sensitive. As a kid he'd cry for any point he lost. After his coach died in an accident, and he woke up, grew up into a man. Now he's the most respected player ever.

      I can't imagine a tennis world without someone who can play like Federer. His movement, his shots, they are graceful yes, but very masculine graceful. It shows that there is a masculine aesthetic.

      What you say about Serena holds good for a lot of women trying to act like men, if anything it only blows up their feminine behaviours into something very volatile. Too bad for Osaka, she started crying despite winning - at least she still shows normal femininity.

      [–]Mitchell78 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      I don't get why some people (especially in the US) call her the tennis GOAT, debatable if she's even the female tennis GOAT, Graf, Navratilova, Court all won far more tournaments then her and certainly Graf & Navratilova faced far stronger competition, tennis isn't just about slams.

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Women's tennis will get a lot more respect when they play 5 set matches. Donno why no one's trying hard to get that to happen - in today's society you'd think there'd be outrage on that by now.

      I mean, even in men's tennis, it's those 5 set legends that people always speak of.

      [–]Adx_tour 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Women players get equal pay for 3/5 the work.

      [–]mysterr9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Seriously, it's Martina, Steffi, and then everyone else. Serena is in the top 10, but that's as far as I would go.

      [–]DominusABC 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      As a fellow tennis fan, I fully agree with every point that you presented in this post. It was indeed a quite shameful Women's US Open final today to say the least. That event serves as a good example of the sorry state of our society when it comes to pedestalizing women, solipsism and straight-up nonsense.

      At least the men's final should prove to be a great (and very different) sight to see, although I'm not a fan of Delpo.

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      The biggest meltdown I've ever seen in men's tennis is Victor Troicki : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=165r4mM9edc

      This one is epic. But even here, it's only about whether the ball fell on the line or not. It didn't get nearly as personal.

      [–]SharpestMarbel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      That's the double standard... Serena's meltdown is all over the news about how "unfair" the line judge was to her for enforcing the rules of tennis, while implying it is what gave Osaka the victory. What no one mentions is that Osaka played very well. Don't let Serena's ego overshadow Osaka's talent.

      [–]NormalAndy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Good read this- skillfully observed.

      [–]ziggmuff 90 points91 points  (13 children)

      lol womens sports

      the only thing I can ever stand to watch women do is scissor themselves naked with a dildo between them

      [–]suckymeh 69 points70 points  (9 children)

      College volleyball is pleasing to watch.

      [–]MoDuReddit 19 points20 points  (7 children)

      Apparently, most volleyball player girls really like to play it. I think it's the mix of prancing around being hot (good for the ego) and actual sports play.

      [–]suckymeh 14 points15 points  (6 children)

      I was referring to the booty shorts :)

      [–]MoDuReddit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      That's why it's pleasing to watch :D

      [–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      College women track and field is better.

      They basically wear panties and bra

      [–]suckymeh 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      In fact, I ran college track. To keep cool they often practiced with just the sports bra on top.

      For me, the hottest were the pole vaulter girls. They were the most toned, and it required great core strength so they always had a tight mid section.

      The shot put girls... Not so much :

      [–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I ran track in college as well so believe me I know.

      I'm with you on the pole vaulters.

      [–]SpecialistParticular 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Figure skating is nothing but gorgeous teenage ballerinas buttflossing gracefully.

      [–]twogreen 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      Is that that thing on ESPN 8:the Ocho?

      [–]TylerBlozak 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Death is about to leave the Drunken Clam after talking Peter Griffin, but pauses and looks up for a second to see what's on TV:

      Announcer: Now presenting women's professional...

      Death: Ok I'm out of here

      [–]ENTPunisher 12 points13 points  (1 child)

      Serena has always been a completely classless bull-dyke. Surprised she has any fans at all and/or hasn't been suspended for doping.

      [–]Leonidas_79 76 points77 points  (40 children)

      Serena is a fat, two-faced cunt. It’s always so obvious in interviews that behind that fake soft voice, that she’s an angry cow.

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 55 points56 points  (1 child)

      Ok, I'm not calling her names, just analyzing her behaviour. It only serves to prove a point I've noticed since I read "A billion wicked thoughts". Women with higher testosterone can often act more masculine and outdo other women, but this also turns them into AWALT on steroids. The result is volatile.

      It is also possible that women with high T have higher sex drives and outperform more feminine women, but are also more prone to bisexual or lesbian behaviour. For the record, the most successful player ever was Navaratilova.

      [–]Leonidas_79 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I am, because I can’t stand her.

      agreed.

      [–]Thunderfin 9 points10 points  (3 children)

      Keep calling women pejoratives, dude. That's what makes you cool and alpha.

      [–]imheregonow004 18 points19 points  (1 child)

      No need to call her slurs. She just did what she did to her advantage albeit failed. Women nowadays know that they can say shit like this and get something. But not in this case however. Twitter also has made this much worse.

      [–]HalfScoper 6 points7 points  (19 children)

      you forgot she‘s black, nothing racist but this just adds to the list of things she might wanna count up for you if it‘s necessary

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 19 points20 points  (18 children)

      T Levels. Black women and men have higher T than average. That is one reason why they're always at the top of the athletic world. Plus they're better equipped to deal with heat.

      [–]CryptoFuturism 12 points13 points  (11 children)

      Middle Easterners and Indians have more testosterone than both blacks and Whites, I thought that this was well known? This is why they grow facial hair so easily.

      The reason American blacks are muscular is because they have been bred like pack dogs for however long slavery was.

      If you look at Africa you’ll see what I mean given that North, Southern and East Africans are thin and short.

      I learned this fact about T score many years while I was still blue pilled in many things, so this could be one of them. I have tried finding studies to better revise the topic but I found all sorts of studies and I no longer no which institutions have what biases.

      For example, this paper states that White and blacks have the same levels of T:

      academic.oup.com/jcem/article/92/7/2519/2598282

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 18 points19 points  (10 children)

      Speaking of T, they've been revising the normal range of Testosterone downward over the years. They just did it again. Apparently a variation as huge as 250 ng/DL to 1000 ng/DL is considered normal now for young men - the first number was something which even my 80 year old granddad didn't have. That and sperm motility levels.

      It's a tragedy that no one wants to talk about. But in my country the fertility clinic industry's booming, and it's claimed everywhere that sitting around, drinking, smoking, sedentary living are killing men's T and sperm.

      [–]dumgum 16 points17 points  (3 children)

      This is something I was thinking about yesterday. We have systems in place to prevent obvious side effects from food and drugs, but nothing that can prevent silent slow changes in our bodies. Every day our average testosterone levels are lowering, due to plastic and who knows what else, and we're doing nothing but watching the gradual pussification of society. The insidious thing is that when it happens to everyone, it's hard to notice or understand the difference it makes, except that in a few generations the young men wouldn't even understand what it feels like to be a man. We'll have a society of women and lesser women.

      [–]NoOneMakesItOutAlive 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      This is true. That’s why you have to get out in nature as much as you can. Work out. Be social. Be confident. The emasculation of men starts with the internet. Before it was TV. And yes I know it’s ironic that I’m writing this on the internet but I really do try to limit my use these days. It’s very toxic.

      [–]CryptoFuturism 4 points5 points  (5 children)

      How can we get our T levels to reach those of our forefathers?

      I’m asking both personally and collectively.

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 16 points17 points  (2 children)

      Lift (but not more than an hour each day), compound exercises, some cardio, good sleep, oxygen, outdoor activity, natural light, good diet, lot of water, eat and drink only from metal or glass or porcelain. Try eating as much natural food as possible. Cut the alcohol and get up fresh in the morning. Get enough protein and carbs. Meditate, do yoga, burn stress away. Keep a good vibrant attitude and healthy beliefs. Good, masculine body language. Be fully present in everything you do.

      [–]CryptoFuturism 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I don’t drink. I doubt my forefathers meditated.

      I already aspire to, or execute the rest.

      I took what you said as: “RP man, when you’ve attained full Red Pilling you’ll still have lower T than your grandfather”.

      My question from there was, “how can we equal or better them”

      I assume that an RP life will get us to ideal T levels then.

      [–]Usafrdj 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It's to be expected. That's why I would never watch women's tennis. Yesterday was Saturday, and the part of the country I'm from we watched the sport we played growing up. Georgia vs South Carolina and Clemson vs Texas A&M was some good college football to watch. Football is basically the Red Pill on a 100 yard field.

      [–]Sexquestionhelp22 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      Alexis (co-founder reddit) responded on twitter, essentially backed her up on the sexism allegation (I actually met him when I was in college). Here's the tweet https://imgur.com/6neHc0w

      [–]1morescoobysnacks 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I watched some video about them. He's such a doting fucking soyboy and she's disgusted by his presence. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

      [–]BurningOrangeHeaven 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      The people you will see on twitter talking about this the most are the people who dont even watch tennis but just wana jump in and "support" Serena just cuz shes famous. They will say its cuz shes balck or cuz shes a woman. This fat chick at my job instantly said its cuz she black and they "stole" this from her and have been trying to put her down for a long time. "They give her random drug tests and stuff cuz she black and she looks muscular"

      Told her she dumb.

      [–]Chitlinsandgravy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Solipsism. The automatic defense of others is an extension of the ego.

      [–]Paladin2903 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      I’m still not convinced Williams isn’t a biological man. I’m not even slightly joking.

      [–]hirokinae 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Now imagine when we start letting m2f trans people compete in women’s sports “becuz muh equality”.

      Feelings over logic. Equality over results.

      [–]davvya 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      i'm sure there's instances of this happening in MMA, guys transitioning into females and beating the shit out of them! crazy that the people who want this type of equality are OK with women getting fucked up... the m2f trans would no doubt dominate in the other female sports too

      [–]tbu987 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      I dont really follow tennis but was shocked to hear that Men and Women somehow get equal pay when they are pulling in different numbers of audiences for tv views. If your doing more of the entertaining you should be paid more. I read an article and Nadal put it right “Female models earn more than male models, and nobody says anything,” So true. You want equality then stand by it.

      [–]man_on_the_street666 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      When all else fails, whine.

      [–]civilizedfrog 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Lesson learned from this debacle- You look pathetic when you lose your frame.

      [–]tolerantman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      [–]RPInjectionToTheVein 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Ooga booga tennisman be sexyss

      [–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      Who watches women sports anyway.

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      Actually women gymnasts, athletes, and swimmers / divers are very good. Volleyball, Golf. They can also weightlift well. But overall it takes a bigger toll on their bodies and they need more time to recover, and the difference is always 15-20%. Once you take sports where the tool is more important (shooting) than the person, then it drops quite significantly.

      Even badminton's good, better than its tennis equivalent (though when you compare it to guys like Lin Dan and Lee Chong Wei....)

      All this doesn't account for the fact that the overwhelming majority of women aren't nearly as interested in sports. I mean, try watching F1 or tennis and talk about stats and technicalities with your girl. I tried to get my cousins (girls) to play chess with me, and they got restless in minutes.

      Besides after watching all the men's sports, I hardly have any time at all to watch women's. They're competing on viewership, and the obvious choice will be men's.

      [–]ALLCAPS1980 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      Ummm was she any worse than John McEnroe?

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Had it been McEnroe, he would have been disqualified by now. And really, when men behave like entitled brats, it's beta as fuck and irritates everyone.

      [–]SharpestMarbel 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      McEnroe was interviewed about the Osaka victory this morning. He said the officials made all the correct calls the first and second time. The third call he was ambivalent about, but did not say it was wrong. From one tennis brat to another.

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You should find out what happened to Fabio Fognini...ouch!

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

      [deleted]

      [–]RedPilledGodEmperor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I'm confused. It's sexism when the person she is going against is (you guessed it) another woman?

      [–]SKRedPill[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      No, it was the fact that the umpire was a man... XD XD

      [–]Je_suis_throwy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      IT'S NOT ME, IT'S YOU!!!!111!

      [–]RedPill_Swinger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      What a loser I saw her on TV and here (Europe) media were talking about sexism.

      Lol they should be talking about agency instead. You lost bish get over it. Lmao

      [–]halfback910 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The first half of the post addressed Serena and I'm just going to address that because I pretty much agree with the rest of your post analyzing society's reaction.

      I mean, this is what you get at the top tier of athletics or anything else hyper competitive. The people who make it to the top are the most competitive and ambitious generally. When a call is made against them, they take it personally. They get upset, without even needing to go into how their tempers are high because of the physical exertion.

      The sad reality is that the best athletes will generally not be the best people. Why do you think the rare exceptions (I don't know, like JJ Watt maybe?) are given such attention. Because they're exceptions. For every JJ Watt or Michael Phelps you're going to have a ton of Serena's and Ryan Lochte's who are proud, arrogant douchebags who yell at referees, vandalize Brazilian gas stations, and do a whole Heavenly Host of other shit we don't approve of.

      Getting to the top is bad enough, but staying at the top for a while generally makes it much worse. Osaka was raised in Japan so her culture will have made her more feminine, but even so, give her the number of years Serena has had at the top and I guarantee you it will make her a worse person.

      It's why I don't believe we should idolize people who came out on top in meritocratic systems like CEO's and top athletes. Don't get me wrong, I love meritocracy. But the thing about meritocracy is that anything that does not get you to the top in that specific area is a useless hobby for its purposes. Being the CEO of a Fortune 100 won't depend on how good you are at building ships in a bottle or making souffle. Why would it depend on you being a decent human? Same thing applies here.

      The former best player in the world lost to the new best player in the world. She's a fantastic athlete but a shitty person so she couldn't accept it. AWALT stands for all women are like that. It can also stand for all winners are like that. Meritocratic systems reward people who forsake hobbies in favor of the merited activity. And being a good person is just a hobby.

      [–]haroldpeters 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      It was bad sportsmanship. She knew it, but made it excuses anyways to try and stem damage to her lucrative sponsorships.

      [–]cuntagous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      [–]quazimodo_007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      She cycling gear her hormones are fucked up after kid

      [–]dumbkidaccount 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      The absolute state of femoids 2018

      [–]AtlasCuckd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I miss Steffi Graf. Hope Andre taking care of that cutie

      [–]pro-complainer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I never knew that I wanted to see a redpill referee in action until now

      [–]orcrist747 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This is why I dont pay attention to womens sport anymore.

      load more comments (55 replies)