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Red Pill TheoryHow I've Learned to "Shit Test" Women - A little test that I've developed. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1starting_oveRP

Summary:

Women shit test us to find chinks in our armor. Since desire is non-negotiable, I've learned to "shit test" women to see if they see me as someone with sexual value. I want to share my experience and what I learned to perhaps help you with 'smalltalk' and add another layer to your frame.

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The Intro

Women shit test us. They do in unintentionally and intentionally. There's plenty of literature on TRP about this, so I'll sum up the best way to look at it from a comment someone here left once.

"Imagine someone hands you a crystal ball and they say it's unbreakable. What's the first thing you do? You throw it on the ground to see if it breaks."

When a woman shit tests you, she's trying to see if you break. In fact, You're unbreakable until proven breakable, and once you're breakable, it's over. She's testing your frame, your viability as an alpha, assessing your ability to procreate.

So why might I shit test a woman? I'm not trying to test her frame or whatever. I'm trying to see if I can fuck her. Or rather, if she sees me as someone she wants to fuck.

I'd like to be able to know sooner rather than later if she's interested, because if she's not, I'm moving along.

I saw this video from RSDTyler a while back. It's worth a watch, but in short, the betabux making sexual and lewd comments was dismissed and vilified, while Tyler (alpha) said similarly sexual and lewd comments and was smiled with and flirted with.

He goes on to explain that the women see the betabux as the provider, and not in a sexual way. When the beta says something sexual, he's told "no, you can't say that." The women were trying to force him back into the little betabucksbox where he belongs - he's so beta he's not even supposed to be sexual. They don't even SEE him as someone who could even possibly BE sexual. He shouldn't even be TALKING about sex.

Hmm, I thought to myself. I wonder....maybe.....if I make a sex joke, or a joke about sex, or a sexual comment, her reaction would tell me everything I need to know about how she's seeing me.

The Experiment

I remember the first time I gave this a shot. It was in my summer of TRP discovery 2 years ago and I was on a Tinder date.

I've always been a pretty witty guy so coming up with comments right off the top of my head isn't an issue for me, but saying them definitely was.

So I'm out with the girl (first time meeting), and we're talking, having a beer or two, and eventually I say:

"I really like going to bars for trivia" "omg me too!" "really?" "yeah!"

I think about the RSDTyler video and go for it.

"ok, well, maybe after we've had sex a few times, if it's not too awkward, you can come."

and....she smiled, and laughed, and said OK. I made a sex joke. Not even just a sex joke, a joke about SHE and I having sex, and she liked it. I got away with it, which meant she saw me as sexual.

We fucked that night. And she was a plate until she moved away.

The Test

Thus evolved my strategy. When interacting with a girl, I find a way to insert something playfully sexual into the conversation, even innocuously. It's always possible. Talking about "Game of Thrones"? Accuse her of being into midgets. Jokes and playful accusations are the best ways to go. If When she shit tests you, agree and amplify with something sexual.

If anything about sex comes out of your mouth, you have a chance to evaluate her. Eventually you'll get better at making it seem natural.

If she laughs, has a positive reaction, or even a neutral reaction: you're good. She likely sees you as someone with sexual value. Build on it.

If she has a negative reaction, says "ew, that's gross" or "don't say stuff like that" you're more likely being seen as without sexual value. Escalate in other ways and give it another chance if you want, but it's probably a next.

But if she says something negative in a positive manner, like "OMG you're sooooo naaassstttyyyy" and playfully slaps you on the shoulder, that's great. That's my favorite.

Anyway, you get it. You've got nothing to lose. If a comment lands, congrats. If it doesn't land and she throws the drink in your face, well, you weren't getting laid anyway.

In Conclusion

Definitely don't abandon kino and other classic escalation things. This is a supplement, not a replacement.

This "shit test" has worked really well for me and for my friends who I've encouraged to give it a shot. Desire is not negotiable, so figure out how she sees you as early as possible. It's amazing what you can get away with down the road when you know that she sees you as alpha.

Eventually it will just become part of your game and you won't think

execute
    sexual comment
    gauge reaction
        success?

As for the reverse, the Tinder dates where my comments were not accepted in strides ended with a wry "ok yeah nice to meet you, see you soon....!"

Eventually I evolved this little test to be used during sex, but I'll do that in a part 2 because the post got long (if people like this one)

Lessons Learned:

She won't fuck you if she doesn't see you with sexual value.

Shit test her your own way - joke about sex or say something with sexual undertones to gauge her reaction. If it's positive or neutral, you're on your way. If she recoils and reacts negatively, she might be seeing you as provider and you must reassess.

You cannot negotiate desire. Find out if she desires you early and exploit it.

Thanks for reading! I welcome any insight, criticism, experience, etc.


[–][deleted] 254 points255 points  (26 children)

I've been saying and doing similar for a while now. I'm glad somebody made the time to write something up for shit testing women.

If you were a billionaire, actor, sports star etc you'd be shit testing the hell out of women to see if they are worthy of your commitment. Men of value don't just give away their committment to any ordinary woman. They look for the princess that will make a good investment and will make sure that she is.

Alphas don't have to win women over, women have to win THEM over. Be the alpha. Shit test women and watch how they begin to try prove themselves to get your approval.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 73 points74 points  (5 children)

It's so fucking true. Assume that you are the prize.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 43 points44 points  (2 children)

No assumption necessary. You are the prize, period. A woman's entire survival strategy involves her hitching her wagon to your caravan and enjoying the benefit of your guidance and navigation.

But you don't hitch a wagon to your train unless its hauling something that's worth the extra weight. So it only makes sense to inspect the contents.

[–]masnera 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No assumption necessary. You are the prize

wow...you think of it and...Viola'...your the prize instantly...are you serious? as if majority of readers here are ...that close of being "the prize" status.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (13 children)

The thing is you can 'just be yourself'TM around women as a form of shit testing.

If she is shit testing you to see if you will break, if you just act exactly how you want to i.e making sex jokes, you are essentially observing if she is trying to break you. If she doesn't make too much of an attempt to control you or put you in a neat little box, you can assess if in a relationship she would attempt to limit what you want to do.

[–]thatisnotarabbit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think the idea is just be strong and brave. It takes strength and bravery to unapologetically be yourself.

[–]tobasoft 3 points4 points  (0 children)

same. I've always just done this naturally but never thought about it.

10/10 post.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 1 point2 points  (3 children)

you were a billionaire

your commitment

I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing at even the hypothetical notion of commitment as a billionaire. Elon Musk much?

[–]CQC3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Most of the time I just assume marriages at that level are for show or political reasons, putting on a facade. Sometimes not though. The only real reason I could see for getting married for me personally is to have kids. If you have THAT much money, there's definitely a way to get around the marriage part.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Old money scions are still wed to others like them for business/political reasons, but for those not at that level (don't know about others here, sure as fuck isn't me - a few mil is chump change), marriage is just stupid even with kids.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of the older generation of billionaires are married. It's a more recent phenomena where they don't, and we all know why that is here on TRP. But commitment also refers to any period longer than a few fucks or whatever. Some guys like short-term relationships even if they're not in it for the long haul.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 136 points137 points  (16 children)

This is a good write-up.

I'm actually writing a comprehensive guide to flirting and teasing as we speak, and I can tell you that your insights into testing a woman's buying temperature are very close to dead-on. I'll tell the mods to point you.

Stay tuned for my post. I think you will find it interesting.

[–]recursoinominado 13 points14 points  (2 children)

+1 this is my stick point, I don't know how to be sexual

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    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Step 2: Put your junk in that box.

    [–]onetowatch 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    +1 wouldn't mind reading it.

    [–]allnamesfckintaken 11 points12 points  (5 children)

    can you send me a message when you posted it?

    [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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      [–]blanxable 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Subscribing to this notification chain.

      [–]sqfo45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Help a brother out and hmu when he posts it

      [–]mikazee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Make sure to include examples of kino.

      [–]1starting_oveRP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Thanks for the compliment and the point! I am honored.

      Looking forward to your eventual post on the topic.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Would love to see your flirting guide.

      [–]Red_Faust 80 points81 points  (9 children)

      This is very good and I'm adding it to my toolbox for future use.

      I don't like the name "shit test", it's a misnomer. I prefer Mystery's term: "Congruence Test". This implies she's testing your congruence or frame.

      For men, there is the concept of "Compliance Test", is she allowing you to lead? Like taking her by the hand and spinning her: if she complies, she is allowing you to lead.

      Yours is like a "Lover Test" or "Sexual Test", does she see me as a lover or as a provider? does she see me as a sexual man?

      Coincidentally, I figured out that if a girl didn't want to kiss me the first time I'm meeting her (first night if I meet her in a pub, or first date if online), it's 99% sure she wants me as a boyfriend (provider).

      Like, she has this cute movie in her head where things must happen so and so, and progress at this pace, and kissing in the first encounter doesn't happen in this movie of hers.

      Correlation has shown me that in this case, sex might come down the road (or might not, as well), but also will end in very high drama when I set the non-monogamy rules and she absolutely refuses to hear anything about it (because it doesn't conform to the movie in her head) so in these cases I also stop pursuing them.

      [–]nia_kills 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Dammed thats an eye opener

      [–]JihadDerp 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      I haven't tried it yet, but from reading this thread I bet you could attempt a "beta/provider test" by saying you're a starving artist, or something similar that indicates you don't have much money. Maybe say it jokingly, maybe pretend to be serious. Gauge her reaction.

      [–]Red_Faust 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I assume the strategy that you mention is to not display provider qualities, only lover ones. Chase Amante writes a lot about that. You want to not display any provider qualities whatsoever as to keep them in the fast track.

      This is indeed what I try to do.

      [–]FrameWalker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Theres something known as an early frame announcement. You let her kbow youre somewhat of a d bag and the rest takes care of itself

      [–]FrameWalker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      The best term is polarizing

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      [–]CQC3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Like, she has this cute movie in her head where things must happen so and so, and progress at this pace, and kissing in the first encounter doesn't happen in this movie of hers.

      Yup, not just AFBB, but women want to act out the fantasies that have been sold to them just as much as anyone.

      I really do believe that a lot of fun in life comes from the culmination of culture and established meanings being role played through certain events or facades that we're all aware of. Women, in this case, want to have the boyfriend experience. That's the only time being a mushy guy will get you anything. But once she's tired of the BF experience--and she will be, well you know. Additionally the BF experience is of course...a waste of time if you just want sex. Which is why most BP guys get incredibly frustrated and hamster away any Chaddenings that occur (that would be Chad happenings)

      It must be fucking nuts to be a woman in this day and age. Almost all of them have an ungodly level of abundance mentality if you were to compare them to men. One of the most mindblowing aspects of TRP (and there was many), was realizing that women simply don't give a shit about sex the way guys do. It's on tap for them, and sex is symptomatic of the validation/greater fantasy she's playing out with her choice of chad. Hence why women seldom go for men who don't have some sort of "thing" going for them that equates to social capital of some kind. That thing can vary greatly, so at least you can get creative.

      [–]Yankee_Fever 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      So basically what your telling me is after 7 years, I should probably read the mystery method lol

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      [–]rot_barth 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      "You cannot negotiate desire. Find out early & exploit it."

      This. 100x this.

      [–]gigitygigitygoo 16 points17 points  (2 children)

      Doing this was a big turning point in my game and felt incredibly liberating. I remember the first time I did something of the sort was on a bowling date. Was showing her how to throw and said "Jesus your hands are small. My dick is gonna look huge in those things." She laughed and I was kind of surprised I just blurted it out.

      Now I try to introduce sex into conversation as early as possible to set the frame of the interaction. This was she's thinking about fucking so when I escalate kino it's greeted with a positive reception and she knows my intentions.

      I do this in person and in message form on tinder to avoid wasting time and money on dates. If they don't take kindly to the sexual comments then it's time to move on however if they do, then the chances of hooking up on the first date are much higher as I've already set the tone.

      Thanks for a solid post.

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      [–]gigitygigitygoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I haven't had any blowouts as a result of making such comments. On Tinder, worst case is they unmatch or just stop responding. When going out to game, which is rare due to my schedule and small social circle, worst is they just disengage and go back to their friends in which case I just assume they weren't that interested anyways.

      I've no idea what my close rate is but most of it is either from tinder or friends of friends and I'd say it's high. I'm in my early - mid 30's and date those around 25 and up for reference.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 14 points15 points  (11 children)

      Man, I've been working on a topic JUST like this so I'm actually glad you broke the ice.

      Male shit tests are EVERYTHING. I give them out over and over, 5-6 per date, per interaction, and it's how I've learned to recognize sluts immediately.

      Thanks for the write up mang

      [–]thewrightstuff88 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      I wouldn't mind seeing your take on it. Gauging sexual interest is always a fascinating topic.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      teaching men how to demonstrate their value and worth is my FAVORITE topic

      [–]Wel108 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Probably the MOST important thing when it comes to getting laid. I do the same, I can't even think of shit i say right now. It just kinda flows out when she says something. But just like OPs example, usually I'll make a comment about her and I and gauge her reaction.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Exactly; that's why the topic is so hard to write, I'm spending the past couple of weeks paying attention to it to try and figure it out.

      [–]Wel108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I'll write down things I say too

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      [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Coming very soon.

      I warn you: it's verbose on a grandiose level

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      [–]1starting_oveRP[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Sure thing, thanks for reading. Looking forward to your experiences and perspectives on this topic!

      [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It's going to be long

      Very long

      [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 29 points30 points  (21 children)

      While RSDTyler is a PUA, I'd say that his video is seminal in terms of TRP theory. The way he exposes the sexual shaming of beta providers is brilliant.

      [–]darkvinc 11 points12 points  (9 children)

      RSD Tyler is somewhat of a half-redpill ( or an hidden redpill)

      Saying things like get your fat ass out to the gym isn't exactly good for business as TRP states over and over again

      The guy runs a buisness and part of this buisness is making fat/scrawny betas think they can have 3somes with the hottest of chicks and their problem wasn't because they are fat and scrawny nobodies but because they have no game or they are '' low vibration '' (most BS PUA term ever ) I'm sure that he's doing more good than bad , but at the same time he can't just say your solution is not with me but in the gym , it's not a good idea to push paying customers away. The blue pill idiots are his best customers they would just like to fit the narative.

      This video is his best piece by FAR , he makes really hit or miss content, when he talks about bullshit like vibration and philosophical inner game i'm uninterested its just guru blabber. i like his concept videos AF/BB, the one with the White Knight too

      [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 8 points9 points  (7 children)

      Yeah, that's what I don't like about the PUA types. They are promoting a business so they say stupid shit like, "It doesn't matter what you look like, how tall you are, how wealthy you are, what your ethnicity is, etc, it's all about GAME!" Of course they don't want to limit their customer base.

      They do have plenty of good information but their message is corrupted by their desire for money. And that vibration stuff just sounds really weird.

      [–]blanxable 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Why, women really like vibration.

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            [–]circlhat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            and their problem wasn't because they are fat and scrawny nobodies but because they have no game or they are '' low vibration '' (most BS PUA term ever )

            I disagree, vibrating is a social term a lot of nerds need to learn, and you are sticking to sterotypes, a lot of good looking 6 ft 2 men with decent muscles can't get laid, while the most ugly of mother fuckers can.

            Game + Vibe can do a lot, of course games + vibe + looks is even better, but game is most important

            [–]1starting_oveRP[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            Completely agree.

            PUA seems to be about having a script, to "run a routine that works" with saying "certain lines" to "open on sets."

            Where RP is about changing your perspective, your outlook, and learning about the world. In turn those changes inform your actions.

            It's like the difference between "are you saying I can dodge bullets" and "you won't have to."

            [–]circlhat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Not really, Its the same concept as TRP but has some great openers, we use to have /trpGame which was welled recieved, in fact I think there are some really good tinder openers on here

            [–]J_AsapGem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            what i've realize it's not what you said it's how you say it, that's one of my problems i have this " 1 frequency flow " have to learn to change it up

            [–]MonkeyCoconut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I actually like Tyler, but I don't think this video is the best representation of what he's talking about. Once the girl starts going off on the beta after he asks if she's a pole dancer, he is kind of just sitting there and taking it. His body language is not confident at all, so we can assume when he asked her that question, he didn't really own it. Then comes Tyler who not only owns what he said, but smiles, immediately says "just kidding" and goes in for a hug. I don't think it's so much of him saying he's a dentist, as it is him not being confident about it.

            [–]magus678 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            As far as online community, PUAs predate TRP by a huge margin. The communities are cousins, if not (estranged) brothers.

            [–]recursoinominado 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            He is the most RP that you can get.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Indeed, if it wasn't for tyler i wouln't even be introduced to... well, pretty much everything.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            I found it to be kind of cringe-y to bring that stuff up when running game.. Like straight up just saying "Oh yeah he's a provider male that gets no sex and I'm the fun guy who gets laid".

            Theres a million other things you can talk about when running game that aren't social/sexual dynamics and by talking about this stuff she can sniff the PUA bullshit out of you.

            [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            Usually you wouldn't bring it up, but if there's anything women love to talk about, it's relationships and the nature of attraction. Anyway he was trying to prove a point and didn't really look like he was trying to pick up those girls. Finally, if you're dominant and attractive enough, you can bring up just about anything and they'll eat it up.

            [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            Solid post.

            he's so beta he's not even supposed to be sexual. They don't even SEE him as someone who could even possibly BE sexual. He shouldn't even be TALKING about sex.

            Women have a feel-of-disgust response to undesirable sex that men do not. This is triggered by sex-with-the-familiar (brothers, father) and makes her feel disgust. It's designed to stop inbreeding. This goes beyond the male "eww she's nasty" disgust response. It's why it's so important not to behave like a brother or a friend - she does NOT fuck her brothers.

            [–]nygeHuston 26 points27 points  (10 children)

            This isn't really a shit test at all. More akin to testing the waters or gauging sexual interest. Still solid concept, just wrongly named.

            [–]drawingroomgentleman 10 points11 points  (3 children)

            It's called many different things. I like the buying temperature metaphor someone else in the thread used, and your testing the waters.

            In abstract strategy games a move is called a "probe" if it doesn't represent a significant investment but forces one's opponent to respond definitively. Speaking of strategy, you may recall that Sun Tzu thought the best formation of all was that the void, in which one appears neither weak nor strong, neither concentrated nor diffuse. When a woman shit tests, she doesn't reveal any additional information (we already know she's a woman), while that moment in the conversation requires of you a definite response.

            Note how good agree and amplify appears from this perspective, even above ignoring the bullshit. It embraces the point raised, and then reframes it as simply a silly joke all along. Now she can either be (and have) fun, or keep to her point, seriously, with the risk of appearing foolish because she's missing the joke. Which do most girls go for?

            [–]Red_Faust 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            This is very insightful drawingroomgentleman.

            I'm in the process of compiling a body of works on power moves (strategies of power), will share in TRP when it's done.

            For example, "dread" or "gaslighting" would be two examples of power moves. I like this "probe" move that you explain, have googled about it in the context of strategy games and found nothing of relevance.

            Do you have any pointer or recommendation where I could investigate more about these?

            [–]drawingroomgentleman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            http://www.amazon.com/48-Laws-Power-Robert-Greene/dp/0140280197

            Law 48: Assume formlessness · By having a visible plan you open yourself to attack. · Stay adaptable and on the move

            Also consider reading the whole sidebar, include the references contained in the assorted links. There's a fair amount of good stuff, and it will shed light on much of the discussion.

            [–]greatmikeshark 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            This is a shit test. by your definition women don't shit test they just test the waters too

            [–]nygeHuston 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            No, a shit test is when a woman says something antagonist to you to test your manhood. There isn't really a male equivalent because men don't try to provoke women and test their "womanhood" because we are the more dominant sex.

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            [–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            That's true. A shit test is testing someone's frame but we don't want women to hold the frame so why would we test it? You can try to crush it, that's all.

            Shit test equivalent on women is qualifying.

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            [–]yaysmr 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Seriously. I thought this was just standard escalation strategy.

            You turn the conversation/interaction sexual to get her reaction out immediately, and to ensure that she knows where your ultimate intentions lie.

            It is a well written summary but its not ground-breaking.

            [–]forcevacum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Scrolled around to find these comments. You should be being obviously sexual in nature until you are turned down as part of your standard game. Speaking about sex in a joking manner puts the possibility of it on the table and fires the neural pathways into thinking about the concept, so at no stage will any physical moves be a foreign concept to her.

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            [–]disposable_pants 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Don't shit where you eat. No piece of ass is worth any halfway-decent job.

            [–]syf3r 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            I like it. It gave me not just an insight but also a framework to build on.

            I reviewed my experiences on women who I got hooked, and in the course of the interaction, somehow I stumbled on making sexual jokes that they were receptive to. They would have neutral reaction then, and I thought I made a fool of myself. But on a next meeting, they would more overtly show signs of interests.

            [–]skoobled 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Yep, good write up. It should be added that if she brings up anything sexual first, the test isn't so necessary (but you should build on it)

            [–]icecow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I've done this, but never codified it like you just did. I've known there's shit tests that can be run on women. I've tried to calculate them before, and was surprised I didn't get anywhere. It should be straightforward and socratic, and equally surprised there isn't a list of them circulating this subreddit.

            Is it legit making a post asking, "What are the shit tests you can run on women that you know about?" Maybe that's one for an Endorsed Contributor, or maybe I'll post and see if they delete it.

            [–]JihadDerp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I do this in online dating. The question of my job comes up EVERY TIME, so I reply, "Whoa slow down sweetheart, that's at minimum a 4th date question. IF you buy me dinner and blow me in the parking lot." If they come back with something quippy, it's on. I've had girls say stuff like, "Ugh fine, but I am NOT buying you dinner." Ding ding, we have a winner.

            [–]FrameWalker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Great tip, should be helpful to all. Polarize hard and fast. Theres a caveat, which is a girl often won't know if she likes you until you touch her.

            Run the same test, but instead of a flirty joke, use a mildly sexual touch. I think its more accurate for testing, but also likely to build attravyion.

            Also its easy to fake a laugh, especially jf your joke was especially creepy. Harder fir the girl to hide discomfort from someone touching her.

            [–]Drumfreak14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            You have put this theory into a great read. I have noticed this response from women that I meet on Tinder, because it's Tinder who gives a fuck. Woman who respond positively to, not to vulgar sexual jokes, are more likely to be a success.

            [–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            man this is fantastic. great post.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Wow - really insightful - thanks !

            [–]arul20 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Actually I've done this before (unknowingly), and I've encountered horny but high-class girls (one in particular) who will mask their desire and give you a false negative signal. But we ended up drunk and naked sometime after that so ..... I'd advise look out for false negatives. Positives are positives for sure ... but some of the subtler, classier chicks can hide what they really want and make you chase them.

            And the chase can be exciting ;)

            *edit - spelling

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            [–]MGHOW_ATL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yup. Assume the Sale or Force the No.

            Plate or Next, 1 or 0.

            We are Cylons.

            [–]metallica11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            You are a busy guy, your time is valuable and allocated towards investing in furthering your goals. You want to minimize the amount of time spent with a girl that is not going to lead to something sexual. Friendzoning and immediately walking away from a girl who assumes you are a groveling beta prospect has potential to fuck with her mind. Her seeing you with another attractive women in the future because you as a man move on will further fuck with her mind.

            I like it.

            [–]Gioware 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            That's not shittest, that's grooming.

            [–]Stythe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This kind of stuff is why I enjoy TRP. I do this naturally. Being witty came to me through building confidance and I constantly act like this with women, though I've never actually thought about the connection. I just knew it worked.

            [–]marty2k 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Great write up! You can also shit test women for other aspects other than sexuality. You can bring up things like gender roles, sexual past, and different personality traits.

            BTW good way to see if she's down to take it in the butt too.

            [–]Puc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I have also been using the gender role topic a lot, some of them really don't know how to behave when you throw that kind of comment to them. When other women are around, they sometimes 'rescue' the shit-tested one by answering for her instead. That way they are defusing the situation because they feel their whole gender is 'under attack' (I think of it that way). In my experience, this often ends with a playful remark by the rescuer like 'never mind him, he's just like that'. Maybe I should try again after isolating first.

            [–]BlueFreedom420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Pointless to shit test a woman. If she is hot then your test as a male is done.

            What would be the point?

            [–]masnera 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Have money, buff body, and a car and a place. Shit test will be a memory of forever past.

            [–]dissentforall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I've been doing this for years. Listening to Patrice O'Neal really cemented this idea into my head. The concept of making the woman qualify herself.

            It's also worth noting that women's perception can shift a lot once you show them you aren't putting up with their BS and pass their shit tests while engaging other women (chum the waters :P)

            [–]SoSconed 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            This doesn't always work, some women are naturally versed in 'hoe-speak'.

            [–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I had one plate a long time ago that I listened in on her conversations with other women. She was constantly practicing what she would say to other people to evoke reactions so she would be prepared. This is why she never got anywhere in life because she had no time to do anything else.

            [–]Yankee_Fever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Some women also want to be wine and dined because they feel it insinuates high value.

            I've met some low value women that wanted to fuck me but in their head they aren't "that girl". So.. They don't get the dick then. Not worth your time or effort.

            [–]theBreadSultan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            hmmmmm...stumbled across this sub via le random button...

            what you wrote reminds me of a few things... I'm a bit of an old boy now, but I used to be on it like no bodies business, I kinda made it the thing i defined myself by in my 20's, and got very good at it.

            I used to hit the town with a group of guys who were also top shelf characters...you had to prove yourself in order to go on the pull with us, and that was done by going to a park, armed with only 2 cigarettes and a can of coke, and getting sex.

            we all had silly names for each other: the Captain, the train inspector, tony (don't ask, it wasn't his name), the wanderer, etc names were given by others...mine was the legend...just to add some context.

            anyway...e-peening aside, and back to topic.

            early on I realised that the main stumbling point was exactly that which you had identified. is this a go or not. do I move or move on.

            personally i developed a bunch of tests..(this was well before ham fisted written books - that do make me lol...neg...lol, amatuer)

            anyway, I great test, one of my favourites is similar to yours, but subtely different.

            once you are engaged, and have a vibe between you...

            tell a shit joke.

            if somewhere public with others present, even better.

            If she laughs, check the laugh... judge her interest based upon it (tho not just that obv) It will tell you alot about how much she is on you...

            this works best when you are using the...let them work for it style of operation...but on any flex, will work beyond a certain point.

            there are a few personality types this will give a false negative on...but even then...it should be obvious that thats the type of person they are and give enough away for you to still judge from their reaction.

            just remember...be good, and good things will come to you. I have never lied to get into a girls pants and you don't either

            I could write essay's on this topic, but i won't bore you with that.

            be happy, don't be a dick and enjoy the fruits of the world ;-)

            [–]500eagles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I like the fact that you admit that this won't work 100% of the time. Some things work for some situations and sometimes things just don't work out the way it should. Also, good advice, thanks.

            [–]slay_it_forward 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Shit testing women (aka qualifying) is talked about a lot in the pua community. Examples:

            • what do ya got going for you besides your looks?
            • what is your passion in life?
            • i don't trust blondes...

            It's just getting them to invest. Getting them telling you why they are awesome, besides having tits and ass.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Making HER qua!ify herself to YOU. Its refreshing after she had her ass kissed by the parade of faggots hoping for a kiss

            [–]michael_wilkins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Great timed thread, I've been thinking a fair bit about what I can do to shit test Women, and to answer that question I need to know what I want in Women, and what aspects of their qualities will they display if they have that, then what can I do/ask to test for those qualities.

            I like the flat out sexual remark, I will definitely try this.

            [–]Manducor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Would this work through texting?

            [–]vulnerableguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I really want to see more posts like this. I want to know more thoughts from TRP on sexualizing conversation.

            [–]redarkane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Not gonna lie, that video kind of makes me hate women in general.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Well this is a shit-test to me.

            My definition: anything that disrupts the opposing player sexual strategy to favor yours (a rapport break?)

            Women forces you to reveal beta traits, men forces women to take a stance, covertly or overtly implied.

            [–]Mouthpiece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            This is sidebar material

            Like most of the men here, I incorporate playful banter and sexual humor into my game, and this post gives a clear explanation to consciously do what I've been doing unconsciously.

            Thanks for the great contribution.

            [–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I always abide by the maxim- "do not keep female friends, only keep female fuckbuddies"

            If you're not working towards that, then you're just another beta being used as an emotional tampon

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Well it's kind of logical, when ugly girls try to make sexual innuendo's toward me I also respond asexual.

            Making a sexual joke in an opposite sex conversation (or with gays) is covert flirting/seduction. So our great white walls instantly get raised when some low beggar tries get inside.

            [–]Not_Wearing_Briefs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            you've got up until about age 34 or so until women start to classify you as a creep for doing that.

            [–]TheEnglishman28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I can support this post fully. One of my favorite tactics when doing online dating is not to talk about "if we meet" but rather "when we meet we, we will be fucking and doing (insert whatever you like here)."

            9 times out of 10, they will say my confidence turns them on. From there, its a few messages for logistics, then meet up for the f-close.

            If she dismisses me, then I don't waste any more time.

            [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            What you've learned to do is just reframe their own shit tests against them.

            [–]feminists_are_dumb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            This is not technically a shit test but it is still a great idea.

            Also, you forgot your

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            [–]1starting_oveRP[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            I'll address your last point first.

            I usually frame my interactions such that they know I'm not looking for anything serious. I NEVER directly talk about "other girls" but my lifestyle and casual attitude toward everything should generally telegraph this is not exclusive.

            You'll be amazed at how long you can go on with these girls before they ask "so....what are we?" then, you hold frame, end it if you want. They come back anyway.

            As far as what to do with the plates do whatever you want.

            After the first date, if I like her, and it goes well, I'll consider her a plate in my mind and treat her as such. I'll generally wait until she texts me first (happens 90% of the time if we have sex and we 'fuck like she's never fucked before') and go from there.

            If not, i'll reach out and say "what's your schedule like for ____." I'll invite them over for a drink. They know what's happening.

            Just try different things, depends on the girl. I used to go to a bar on date 2 and maybe even date 3 but eventually I just tried to go for getting them over right away for date 2, especially if you frame it as a busy weeknight.

            hope that helps.

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              [–]1starting_oveRP[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              I really frame my interactions with them to prevent these assumptions right off the bat.

              If I feel like I've layed it out as clearly as I can, their assumptions are their problem, not mine.

              I've had one plate drop because she wanted to date. I let her go. She came back. We fucked for a while. Then she said she felt dirty just coming over for sex and wants to at least to get a drink before. That's reasonable to me but we haven't done it yet.

              So yeah, it's possible that they'll be "disappointed" but it's not your fault if you've framed it right.

              If i feel like a plate likes me more than I like her, and would push for an LTR, I'll drop. Have had to soft next a few like this. But still, they knew off the bat we were just causal. They caught feeling but my life is too busy for that right now, and I'm not the guy for that. That's true, by the way.

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                [–]1starting_oveRP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Recently most of my plates have been direct-to-home. If they are cool I really don't mind going out for a drink, or if it's to a place I like and would go to anyway.

                I don't contact them night-of though. I usually plan something a few days in advance.

                [–]ChickenBalotelli -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                Awesome post! Looking forward to part 2

                [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

                Tyler is not alpha. He resembles lover stereotype. You may copy his style if you interested in short-term sex relationships. Chicks don't look at Tyler as LTR-material. But he got some action - because his chicks wanted some action. That's it. See at least Robert Greene's book.

                [–]slay_it_forward -1 points0 points  (3 children)

                Owen Cook is the most classic beta there ever was.

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                [–]slay_it_forward -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                Epitome of beta:

                • socially awkward
                • physically unattractive
                • mild aspergers
                • unathletic
                • nerd

                He's spent his entire adult life trying to fix being beta.

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                [–]telenoobies -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                WTF THAT VIDEO IS FUKED UP!!!!!! HOW CAN THEY DO THAT