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Men's RightsSwedish man acquitted of rape charges thanks to audio recording, woman sentenced for false accusation (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by ovonbom

SUMMARY

Swedish 25 year old man had sex with a woman in a night club toilet; made a sound recording to be on the safe side; was later accused of rape but released thanks to the sound recording. Three years later, the woman was convicted (and sentenced to laughably small damages and fines) for false accusation.

http://archive.is/Id9ea (Google translated article by Swedish legal daily about the case.)

Some more info from the police investigation in the Edit section.

BODY

Back in 2013 a 25 year old "Swedish" immigrant was out clubbing at a dinghy nightclub in Stockholm and met a 19 year old girl whom he took to the club toilet and fucked. They were both in a playful and good mood and neither was remarkably drunk. All fine and dandy and I'm sure you've all done the same (albeit fucking people in dirty club toilets might not be my cup of tea). After the act, she gave him her number and off they went.

Sure enough, the next day the woman goes to the hospital and claims to have been raped. The woman pointed out the man's Facebook profile to the police and the man's DNA obviously matched the semen taken as part of the rape kit. The man admitted to having had sex, but presented an audio recording which caused the police to drop the investigation even though the woman maintained her story despite being confronted with the recording.

Instead, the woman was indicted and subsequently convicted for false accusations. As expected, the sentence and thus the consequence for putting someones job, future and social life in limbo, was a laughable $1600 in damages and a $380 fine.

Now interestingly enough, the reason the man had recorded the encounter was because he "had a hunch that it would be best to record what was going on" and that "there is a lot of talk going on about men being accused of rape." Well, apparently his gut feeling was dead on and so should all of ours be as well.

LESSONS LEARNED

  • Don't have sex with people and in places or situations that expose yourself to rape accusations

  • Cover your back, for example by an audio recording

EDIT So I got hold of the police investigation which confirmed most of my suspicions about what had gone on but wasn't reported in the paper. I guess you can extract a couple more RP truths out of it as well.

  • The sound recording is classified, but it has been transcribed by a police officer: “The conversation that can be heard involves the girl wanting to be fucked hard and the man confirming that. The man insists on going out to his car, but the girl wants it to happen where they are, or it's not going to happen. The girl moans, then the man moans. The sound of glass shattering can be heard and the woman says the man now owes her a drink. The man and the girl discusses whether he came or not. The girl says she wants to come too. The man asks for her number and she gives it to him.” The initial conversation is transcribed in further detail by another officer: "A female voice is heard saying 'fuck me', the man answers 'shall I fuck you?', the female says 'so fucking hard', the man says 'shall I fuck you? I want to fuck you baby'."

  • When the girl is confronted with the recording she initially says she “doesn’t want to hear it”. Later, she says during questioning that “she doesn’t recognise herself in the recording” and that “she can’t imagine herself doing such a thing.” She also says that “she reported a rape that she feels has happened” and that “it feels really annoying to be accused in return”.

  • The guy in question was a chubby immigrant with a turkish-sounding name who spoke Swedish with an accent.

  • The girl appears to be the all too common kind of lower-class girl from northern Sweden moved to Stockholm "in search of luck", i.e. going to clubs, blogging about her "posh life in the city" and trying to find a provider. Obviously, being banged by Apu in a club wasn't her idea of a good story to tell your friends, so when her friends found out, she went to the rape clinic.

  • The guy tried to call her the next morning, but she didn't answer. Instead, he called her friends (he had gotten their numbers too) and mistakenly mentioned that they had fucked the night before. The friends immediately became defensive.

  • The girl mentioned to the police that she has been raped once before (surprise surprise!), apparently when on vacation.


[–]NikoMyshkin 277 points278 points  (50 children)

It's totally unfair how people that outright lie about being raped are not prosecuted to the same extent as people who actually rape.

EDIT: more info on the case. even his lawyer basically said that he would certainly have been charged with rape if he hadn't recorded it:

If it had not been for the sound recording, I am absolutely convinced that my client most likely had been arrested, detained and against their denial convicted of rape and hence had at least two years fänglese. I note that - in order to clear himself, prove his innocence and to ensure that there has been about a voluntary intercourse: make sure to discover the Act by recording!

Just let that sink in - he would have been sentenced for rape if he had not proven his innocence. This, in a system that claims "innocent until proven guilty" and "it's better to let 100 criminals go free rather than incarcerate 1 innocent victim".

[–][deleted] 73 points74 points  (17 children)

It's because of the relative importance of perjury over rape in society.

This wanting equal punishment isn't realistic. Having said that, I'm surprised the courts don't treat perjury as more important than most other laws, they tend to hold the reputation of jurisprudence as the main concern over all others.

I mean, if you cannot trust the integrity of the court, all the rest falls away

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (10 children)

This is correct, and why there needs to be a separate offence of 'making a false rape accusation', different from attempting to pervert the course of justice, or perjury (should it have gone to trial). This is because we hold rapists as being particularly vile, they serve long sentences and go on a sex offenders register, and should it come out later it is not regarded as something like burglary or car theft.

Therefore, what the woman is attempting to do to an innocent man is equally vile, and may indeed lead to him being raped (remember that more men than women are raped in America, when you include prison populations in that total). So the punishment should fit the crime.

The alternative is the islamic idea of wanting two male witnesses, but I think making her take his sentence if her lies had been successful is better and fairer. There very likely will not be independent male witnesses around in a real rape, so that unfairly acts against rape victims. Making an offence of false rape accusation is something that can be brought only against someone proven beyond reasonable doubt to have lied about being raped (as in this case).

Another case in the news is the woman who was arrested in Dubai of having sex outside marriage when she claimed she had been raped. It seems that the evidence was clear that she made a false accusation in that case, too.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (9 children)

I don't see it having any significant dent in the amount of lying women do. It would be cathartic for those wanting a 'just world'

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Women hate accepting the consequences of their actions. It may not make a dent in the amount of lying in general, but I think it would make a big dent in the number of false rape accusations if they know they could go to gaol for it and go on a sex offenders register for life.

A woman in the UK recently had a rape case dismissed, which was the 18th she had brought, all false. She is still walking around.

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    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    You cannot out logic an emotional decision.

    All you would do is tie up the courts, they are already overworked. Unfortunately, like everything, a man is his best, and sometimes only defense

    [–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Don't over think this. A woman would be TERRIFIED at. The thought if a hefty fine , prison time, as well as the possibility of being known as a liar and criminal!.

    It would be a good deterrent.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Either way Its never gonna happen, this is just mental masturbation

    [–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I mean, if you cannot trust the integrity of the court, all the rest falls away

    the more i see this shit happen the less i trust it anyway

    [–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    This wanting equal punishment isn't realistic

    Rape is legally unusual in that it oftens comes down to contradicting testimonies. given that the word of a woman has often been seen as enough to destroy a man's life, we should take measures to discourage knowingly false accusations that intend to exploit this lack of burden of proof.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Instead of a crab bucket, if you absokutely have to nag society for things, at least ask for proper evidence, like with every other crime

    [–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    the problem is that often there is no possibility of further evidence. this means that either rape goes unpunished or false rape victims get punished ie either you trust men not to rape or you trust women not to lie and exploit rape laws to get revenge. neither option is acceptable, so we must punish for rape but also punish for deliberate abuse of rape laws

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Here, dont care, dont feel like arguijg over somethibg i have no control over.

    Truth? Women contain inherent risk, live accordingly

    [–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    there are things men can do to protect themselves. like audio recording. like next day texts affirming the 'great time' that was had

    [–]jtjt91733 17 points18 points  (7 children)

    To be fair Sweden is already pretty lenient on rape anyways, especially from migrantS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw

    [–]chinawinsworlds 0 points1 point  (6 children)

    Great video, really shows the issue well. I wonder if Sweden will end up being destroyed by a majority of immigrants, or if the ethnic Swedes will defend themselves before it gets to that point?

    [–]2comment 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    The devious Swedish plan is to let the immigrants fuck their women till they're dead tired, then to lick the creampies clean out so Mohammed won't be getting any babies. To push the ruse even further, the Swedish men will go transgender and trick any unsuspecting new Swedes in wasting their precious semen on them. If that fails, at least the new Caliphate of Cuckistan will be impressively diverse in several generations. 50 Shades of Brown.

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      [–]Lyradex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      The quality of some of the endorsed folks these days is becoming mildly worrying. -_-

      [–]jtjt91733 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      There's this but they've been labled neo nazis by the leftist media. And there's also this guy who i admire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juGVawEkVSk

      [–]Luckyluke23 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      I'm recording everything now. fuck this shit.

      [–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      keep it to audio only but yes this is basic self-preservation now

      [–]KnowBrainer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Those few weeks between arraignment and trial are plenty of time to bury an enemy under Yankee stadium.

      [–]PawnToKing 2 points3 points  (11 children)

      Innocent until proven guilty is an American concept. I don't know if it applies to the Swedish justice system.

      [–]GlennBeckAmerica 8 points9 points  (6 children)

      And a concept is all it is. Going to court In shackles a nd jail issued jumpsuit cause you couldn't afford bail always makes u look guilty. In my county jail...you cant where a suit to trial because someone escaped or some shit idk

      [–]MelodyMyst 0 points1 point  (5 children)

      A better lawyer will fix that suit issue.

      [–]TheReddHobbit 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      Odds are if you can't afford bail you can't afford a lawyer. Public defenders are a joke.

      [–]MelodyMyst 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      I've personally seen public defenders put suits on prisoners. Not all PDs are shit.

      [–]TheReddHobbit 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Sounds like a rare PD or a note worthy case

      [–]MelodyMyst 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The guy in question went away for 40 years. Correct, noteworthy case. I paid $1000 and showed up all in orange.

      [–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      PD's usually have a massive caseload and get very little time to spend with/on any particular prisoner ,, many of them are quite competent lawyers, they just don't get the chance to apply that knowledge

      It's like asking any professional to "do the job" in a tenth the time it would 'normally' take -- it either won't happen or 'corners will be cut' (aka 'taking a plea' = a Lot of saved time for everyone, courts,cops and Public Defenders ---

      This is how The Sysytem evolved, especially when the "war on drugs" increased courts caseloads by 3-400%! (at the beginning, now they deal with this huge caseload of 80% drug related crimes with "plea bargains" and everybody except the prisoner win

      Don't blame the Public Defenders,

      "Blame the game, not the player" aka "don't shoot the postman", PD's are oftengood lawyers who are forced into "playing the game with arbitrary rules and crooked referees who get paid to be crooked"

      [–]canders0424 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      Never in my experience with American law enforcement have I ever been treated Innocent toll proven guilty

      We as america may say it but we sure don't practice it

      More like guilty till late proven innocent people rich enough get a lawyer to reduce it to a fine

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yeah, that's total fucking bullshit. You don't need any proof to convict someone, it is the jury that decides and they can decide whatever they want to. There have been several cases in US history where the accused confessed to things like murder but got away with it and vice-versa.

      [–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      surely it must do. how can any modern legal system be otherwise?

      [–]Fashbinder_pwn 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      It would have to be "knowingly lied beyond reasonable doubt" or some extreme level of irrifutable proof of the lie. It'd be a sad world if you were scared to report a rape because you werent sure you could prove it.

      [–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Real rape will probably have plenty of proof.

      [–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      knowingly lied beyond reasonable doubt

      yes i agree exactly - never punish for interpretation - only punish when there is clear evidence that the accuser intended to use the legal system to exact punishment on a man when she knew he did not rape her

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        [–]NikoMyshkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        or tie it to the penalty for rape. also: false accusers should have to declare their conviction to prospective employers and partners.

        [–]iamanenemy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        It's totally unfair how people that outright lie about being raped are not prosecuted to the same extent as people who actually rape.

        Most sane and agreeable comment here. I've been saying this forever.

        [–]NikoMyshkin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        i can't see why this is not popular opinion. how many innocents are languishing in jail on false rape charges?

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            [–]MelodyMyst 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            Not independently they won't. The law and the direction of A country towards false accusations may change but the women who do this shit TODAY are immune from the ramifications the future may hold.

            [–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            What's needed are some lawsuits.

            [–]greatslyfer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            This girl on my FB argued that because some accuser put forward paragraphs and paragraphs of details of the a rape, that it is just irrational to think that she may be lying about the whole ordeal.

            Like of course just because someone puts in extra details in to their story that we are to assume they are honest cause well that's how evidence works right?

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            [–]Toolman890 18 points19 points  (2 children)

            100% the reason all of this happened and why she accused him. Need to drill it into every man's head to not make this mistake. A girl will do ANYTHING to protect her reputation, they have no moral scruples about it and in her hamster it is justified. In tribal times (still happens today sometimes) women would have these men killed through their lies. They don't care. It's why muslims flipped the script and decided to make the woman accountable. Because it's impossible to tell when they are lying or not, they decided to make her responsible to avoid such situations.

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              [–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yep, it was those phone calls that got him busted!

              [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 40 points41 points  (6 children)

              Now interestingly enough, the reason the man had recorded the encounter was because he "had a hunch that it would be best to record what was going on"

              If I had a hunch that a chick was so squirrelly that I should only bang her if I made a recording of it to protect myself, I'd probably (like 99.44%) simply forgo the bang. There's no pussy in the world that's worth 20 years in prison (or whatever).

              [–]1RXRob 43 points44 points  (3 children)

              But apparently he was a chubby guy of an undesirable race.

              Beggars can't be choosers.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              Turkmen undesirable? Give me a fucking break. The women where I'm at love the Persian/Turk look.

              [–]juliusstreicher 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Doesn't mean shit how it is in YOUR part of the world if the story didn't happen there.

              [–]poopcasso 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              So you're saying there's a chance you still would bang? Your last sentence is therefore pure bullshit. You'd still bang (.66% chance) despite maybe going to prison for 20 years or whatever (100% chance without recording). What the immigrant guy did was therefore a better option, just fucking bang but record it. No bullshit or excuses.

              [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              You're being too literal. And you need to check your math.

              [–]420PussyEater 58 points59 points  (2 children)

              Lesson learned: make sure she cums too.

              [–]Fartfacethrowaway 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              Haha, Perfect post and username

              [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 84 points85 points  (59 children)

              OK I've heard enough news of the kind. I am now convinced that some audio and/or video recording device is now as important as condoms on the list of things to take when I go out or on tinder dates.

              So friends, what apps or gadget do you recommend?

              [–]yichiro12 28 points29 points  (10 children)

              This was my thought exactly. After the australia guy this has to be standard issue protocol

              [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 21 points22 points  (9 children)

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                [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 26 points27 points  (4 children)

                Yeah. The triggering news was that a woman reported being raped to the UAE police & got charged with extramarital sex. Fucking patriarchy!

                But anyone who read the details could learn at the time that:

                • the "rapists" were not locals but brits.

                • they met in a club.

                • the guys filmed the sexual encounter on their smartphone.

                • she had recently split from her husband.

                So yeah anyone with red-pill awareness would have seen it coming: Analysis of the guys' footage revealed it was consensual. False rape accusation.

                Now the funny thing in the story is that the police dropped the "extramarital sex" charge after reviewing the evidence that... she had extramarital sex! So in reality, the charge was dropped because it was bad publicity for the country. The guys dodged a serious bullet.

                [–]sergeantbbbbs 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                She dodged a serious bullet

                [–]RancidTurnip 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                Come on man, this is the UAE; They don't shoot adulterers; They stone them.

                [–]RPmatrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                BUT only women can commit adultery ..... the men are 'allowed' (by Islam) to have many wives and gf's

                [–]Strongproudwoman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                She dodged a real bullet kek

                [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                Wow, the story I read about this yesterday made no mention that they believed she had made a false rape allegation.

                [–]PaulMurrayCbr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The lesson is: don't go to other people's countries and do things which, in those countries, is a crime.

                [–]samuelnine 16 points17 points  (2 children)

                Just a thought: do smart watches, like the Samsung Gear S2 etc, come with a microphone? If so, such a device would be well suited to record audio without having to summon your cellphone pre-coitus. All needed would be the proper app support.

                [–]BluestBlackBalls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Jailbroken phone with an Activator gesture for the recorder app

                Same with sndroid, rooted

                [–]Bea_OProblem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Mine does. Never used it for that before but sure as hell will now.

                [–]amekooky 13 points14 points  (25 children)

                I just use voice memos on my iphone .. my state is pretty friendly when it comes to recording conversation without consent. Of course I would try and avoid recording the actual act of having sex? I only record post sex talk

                [–]Moneyley 31 points32 points  (20 children)

                sadly in some states you'd get fined for recording your encounter despite that recording saving you a fuckton of money in attorney fees and of course over 30 years in prison. I've read cases where like in this one, the woman claims rape, guy records her and is cleared of charges but since recording is a crime, he gets a fine or some shit; meanwhile she gets off as if nothing happened. Fuck the system man!

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                  [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 8 points9 points  (15 children)

                  Certain states will simply not allow the recording as admissible evidence.

                  [–]Moneyley 20 points21 points  (2 children)

                  I can see her attorney's rebuttal to the recording "the recording was done against her consent, sort of like the rape was" mother fuckers

                  [–]sergeantbbbbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Think this is the case here in the UK. Can anyone confirm?

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                    [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    If it's illegally obtained (as is the case for you in NH), then it is not admissible as evidence. There are a few extenuating circumstances (such as recording the police) but most of them time they will not apply.

                    If I'm not mistaken, NH also treats your live-in partner as your wife when working out inheritance. Rather silly state.

                    [–]iamanenemy 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                    Really? I thought you guys up in NH had a better grasp on things, what with the "life free or die" and all. That's disappointing, as someone who was looking to relocate there.

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                      [–]iamanenemy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                      Don't you guys have strong representation and access to your leadership? That's one of the "selling points" for freedom-minded people moving there, according to the FSP.

                      [–]PinkySlayer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Ditch that free state project pipe dream along with all the other fairy tales you want to be true in life and you'll be able to deal with reality in a healthier way. It will never happen. The state will not be reduced in size or scope until we have a second revolution or civil war.

                      [–]tsudonimh 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                      Posting exculpatory evidence of a rape on any social media that had been ruled inadmissible in a rape trial would likely go viral.

                      [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Be that as it may, it would still be ruled inadmissible, and you run the risk of causing a mistrial. Something you don't want.

                      The courts are stacked against you. No point fucking with them.

                      [–]tsudonimh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Admissibility of evidence is generally ruled on before a trial, rather than during. If the prosecutor is aware of the existence of exculpatory evidence and is still going for a conviction, they're well past the point of just 'stacked against you'. The defendent is being actively fucked over. At that point, you need public opinion on your side.

                      [–]BluestBlackBalls 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                      The lesser evil; grin and bare it.

                      [–]Benedikto_ 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                      Then counter sue for everything she has because she tried to ruin your life.

                      [–]BluestBlackBalls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I hear you and I believe in the long run, such a response, would eventually allow for precedence to be set.

                      [–]Moneyley 10 points11 points  (2 children)

                      I do the same. Still got a recording of a girl I slept with from 2 years ago. Im not going to lie I go full beta on it but I do it on purpose. I say stuff like "I love how you feel in my arms" and also throw in some dirty talk so that in case she was to try something Id have her recorded on how much she loves to give me head.

                      The romantic stuff would be to try and show that there wasnt malicious intent with the hookup. Start another recording in the morning "lets go get breakfast, I hear this place downtown makes great (insert bs food here)"

                      You have to sell yourself as a good person for back up. Non of this was necessary if we went back to the 80's or before, hookups would just happen and both parties accepted it and moved on.

                      [–]BreathOfDick 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                      Fucking ridiculous that these precautions are a real necessity.

                      [–]Moneyley 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Its probably one of the only benefits of ltr's. In ltr's its likely that both parties will be sexting back and forth so it will be hard for them to have a case down the road. I usually have an instinct that kicks in when its a ONS. Then yea, I do take precautions including recording audio. But Im with you, it sucks. Both should be adults about it and understand that we have sexual urges and if the chemistry is right then it usually leads to sex, which isnt a bad thing.

                      [–]Wilreadit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                      The recording should not be done in a place where there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. Just head over to a open cafe, tell her to spell out what she wants you to do to her ass, record it and then do it.

                      That way you will not run foul of any wire tapping rules.

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                        [–]subtle_nirvana92 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                        Dont use your real name for hookups. Dont give out your number either.

                        [–]Wilreadit 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                        Doesn't matter, they will seize the cam footage from the club and fuck your ass.

                        Record your consent or keep you dick in your pants. Simple. Or snuff her after the sex.

                        [–]BluestBlackBalls 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                        Add some ish to the wiki:
                        How to Dispose of your Lover, Post-Coitus

                        [–]Wilreadit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        This is going to be the new zen.

                        [–]subtle_nirvana92 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        This is mostly a problem in cities on the coast to be honest. Ive never had a problem in the midwest.

                        [–]Wilreadit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        That is 'cause the cops are not smart enough to realize it yet.

                        [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

                        Remember, if it's news, than it's not normal activitity, or it wouldn't be news.

                        It's prudent to CYA, but it's faulty to assume it's 100% always happening.

                        [–]ovonbom[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        Good point, but the news in this case is that the woman was herself prosecuted and convicted. Swedish prosecutors never touch false accusations or perjury, especially in these types of cases.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        Oh I am sure only a minority of one-night-stands end up in the girl making a false rape accusation, but the news examples show that in the case it does happen, recording saves the day.

                        [–]RPSigmaStigma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        And I'm pretty sure even in this case she wouldn't have accused him of rape if he wasn't going around calling all her friends telling them about banging her. Honestly, that's pretty creepy.

                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Something like the Zoom H2n portable recorder. You want something voice actuated that you can keep in your pocket.

                        The same thing is being used by men in Canadian companies, if something on the MGTOW channel is to be believed. This is after a guy was accused of 'saying something detrimental to all women' or some such bullshit, at his company. He had actually said very little, and nothing but normal chitchat, to this woman. He would have been sacked, but he had this thing in his pocket, so he immediately pulled out the device and gave it to his manager. Of course, this proved he had said nothing untoward and he kept his job, but nothing was done to the woman who made this false accusation.

                        [–]Joshua44 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        I think it's more important to save all text messages. If you insist on record the act itself, there are cameras which look like a key fob for your car, but you must be very careful if you record sex acts with them. Posting the video as "revenge porn" or even sharing it with your friends without permission could land you in prison these days.

                        [–]rorrr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Cheap Android phone with a huge battery. There are many options with more than 4000 mAh and under $160.

                        A voice recorder with that kind of battery would cost at least $90, so why not have an actual phone that can be used for other things?

                        [–]cashmoney_x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Just go mgtow, get high, play an instrument, play video games, go on nature walks, hang out with buddies, save money and be done with it all.

                        [–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (5 children)

                        Here are the rules you need to follow to avoid situation like this:

                        • Dont fuck drunken girls. Even if they beg for it and you are equally drunk. Seriously, somehow society has decided that girls that gets drunk does not have responsibility but a drunk man has.

                        • If you are leaving the bar with a girl to get home, say goodbye to your friends before leaving. This will give you witness to that there was a good tone between you and the girl.

                        • If a woman says she has been raped/molested/had bad experience before, its a BIG NO NO !!

                        • When you have time, check the laws for recording and filming people where you live. If its legal have a camera in your bedroom, have one. Heck have one anyways, even if its illegal it will help your lawyer making a case.

                        • DO NOT BRAG ABOUT IT, if you brag about sex with a woman that later accuse you for rape, many men will betray you and witness against you for some white knights points.

                        • THE POLICE ARE NOT FRIENDS! Police in every western country is under pressure to increase the numbers of convictions for rape cases. DO NOT SAY ANYTHING to them, do not admit guilt etc.

                        • Following up the former point: DO NOT SAY ANYTHING. A false accusation starts at the bottom for investigators. They have nothing to start with and in majority of cases they need your words to make a case against you. They will say something like "we only want the truth", which is bullshit. Listen, in every country in the western hemisphere there is political pressure to increase rape convictions. Do not let yourself be the victim of this. When talking to police, "DO NOT SAY A WORD".

                        • Some people say that you should send a morning after text. Do that, but only send one. If she is not answering you should raise a red flag. If she is answering playful, KEEP THE TEXT, DO NOT DELETE! which leads to..

                        • DO NOT DELETE ANY TEXT/MESSAGE with her. Take screenshots of tinder chat, etc.

                        • If possible, make her text you the location of her place (say you need it later for getting home etc) so that there is proof that she was willing. Get the cabbies info.

                        • Provided you are not actually raping anyone, a woman will only accuse you of sexual assault or rape if she regrets sleeping with you. So be attractive, and make sure that you look good.

                        This man is an immigrant fucking a native swedish girl. Even in a country in sweden he would be chance less if not for the recording. It was a very smart decision he made because he would have been clusterfucked by the legal system.

                        [–]RPSigmaStigma 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                        DO NOT BRAG ABOUT IT

                        Don't brag about sex at all, not just because your friends might turn on you, but because if she finds out you've been telling people how much of a slut she is, she probably will accuse you of raping her. I'm pretty sure that's what happened to the guy in the OP. He was calling her friends telling them that he'd banged her in the toilet. That's why she made up the rape story, to save face, because "I'm not a slut!"

                        When you hook up with a girl, especially if it's something like a random toilet bang, not after an actual date or something, don't tell anyone about it. Why would you? Bro points or something?

                        DO NOT SAY ANYTHING.

                        Actually, you should say one thing, and only this one thing. "I will not talk without my lawyer present." Just sitting there silently will only cause them to pressure you harder for a statement, and it makes you look guilty. I don't care if technically they can't use your silence in court, police officers are some of the biggest beta white knights you've ever met, and if they even suspect you're guilty, they'll heavily bias their investigation and reports against you. Calmly state that you want a lawyer present. Be a good little beta and say "sir" and "ma'am", be cooperative, but answer every question with "I will not talk without my lawyer present."

                        [–]MelodyMyst 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons aboard my vessel.

                        [–]felipebarroz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Not talking without a lawyer is Justice 101, in my opinion. In every case that you're supposed to talk to the police, you need to have a lawyer by your side.

                        [–]meburpme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Nice little summary sheet for avoiding rape accusations

                        Commenting for later reference

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                        [–]BENDERisGRREAT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        I mean its a survival thing bro. Tell the alpha you were raped or take the beating he dishes out on the guy yourself.

                        [–]clonegreen 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                        What?

                        "it feels really annoying to be accused in return”

                        Sorry for your inconvenience, I guess we'll prosecute and imprison a innocent man then.

                        [–]drqxx 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                        Wear a fucking condom.

                        Don't get ne wrong drunk bathroom toilet sex is great but just wear a condom. Its the safest route.

                        Also at least in America don't talk to the police with out a lawyer. Its super important. Even if you have to shell out 200+ dollars its way cheaper then running your mouth to the police.

                        [–]SuckMyFist 26 points27 points  (8 children)

                        He was absolved only because he presented proof that he did not commit the crime, if there was no recording he would have spent decades in prison being REALLY anally raped by subhumans, and his professional and private life would be completely destroyed.

                        Luckily the Swedish court in all it magnanimous feminist generosity convened that the man's whole life was worth $1600 and the noble female fined $380, no prison time, no probation, no parole not even fucking social work.

                        I invite you to think about all men in prison right now because they did not record their sexual encounter with a holy cunt and were subsequently accused by the female of rape and convicted by the Feminist State to decades of prison. Listen to these poor men's lamentations in jail, their screams while they are being gangraped by real antropomorphic beasts, and realize you could be next.

                        Death to the Cult of the Cunt, Death to Feminism.

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                          [–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          Damn! Makes me want to be falsely convicted of rape in Sweden!

                          [–]NibblyPig 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                          I really want a watch that records audio 24/7 and will store the last several hours in a repeating loop.

                          [–]1jb_trp 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                          she initially says she “doesn’t want to hear it”. Later, she says during questioning that “she doesn’t recognize herself in the recording” and that “she can’t imagine herself doing such a thing.” She also says that “she reported a rape that she feels has happened” and that “it feels really annoying to be accused in return”.

                          Feelz > Realz

                          This is just another example of the female hamster working overtime! (see: Solipsism)

                          [–]fromdario 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                          Big mistake telling her friends he fucked her, that's why she pulled the rape card.

                          [–]drfezzik 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                          The false accuser should serve the sentence that would have been handed out to the victim.

                          [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Repeatedly abused and anally raped over years? Ha ha! Don't pick u the soap, bitch.

                          [–]omega_dawg93 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                          she reported a rape she, "feels has happened," and "feels annoyed."

                          i wonder how feels abt giving up pussy & then trying to throw an innocent man in jail?

                          these bitches. smh.

                          [–]youcantstopmyzed 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                          Thousands of years ago women survived because men were able to hunt. Now women survive cause things like false rape accusations and aliments exist.

                          [–]CrashXXL 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                          I was told by Gawker that this never happens.

                          [–]victor_knight 2 points3 points  (12 children)

                          Isn't it illegal to record people without their consent? Not siding with the ho, just curious about the risks of recording people and then using it.

                          [–]Tbonesupreme 15 points16 points  (9 children)

                          In most states, you can legally record any conversation that you're a part of. But usually, if it's a phone call, you have to tell them that you're doing it.

                          In person - you don't.

                          The things you learn to survive a divorce with a woman...

                          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 8 points9 points  (4 children)

                          But usually, if it's a phone call, you have to tell them that you're doing it.

                          What makes you think that?

                          Most states (and also federal law) permit recording a phone call if one party consents (which, if the person recording is one of the parties, is a lock). There are a minority of states, ~10 or 11, that require all parties to consent.

                          Source: I am an attorney. I am also commenting on a matter of general interest and not forming an attorney-client relationship with anyone (sorry, have to say that).

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                            [–]Tbonesupreme 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            I'm in Michigan. My lawyer told me I couldn't record phone calls, but to record EVERY face to face conversation we had.

                            [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            So I had my research associate, Dr. Google, do some digging for me and as it turns, the law in Michigan is unsettled. The law itself evidently reads like a "two party consent" state, but at least one Michigan court has ruled that since the statute talks about "eavesdropping", it's really a "one party consent" law because one cannot "eavesdrop" on one's own conversation (see the link).

                            The Michigan Supreme Court has not ruled on this, thus your atty was (wisely) trying to keep you out of trouble. With an "in person" conversation, there is no "wiretap" issue, like there is with phones.

                            So all that said, "two party consent" states are still in the minority, nationwide.

                            [–]NibblyPig 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                            In the UK you can record phone calls without consent for your own personal record keeping. I set up my phone to record and sync all calls to my PC.

                            A judge can override this rule if they wish in court, but by default you cannot use a recording obtained this way without consent.

                            [–]Swaggy_Mcswagson 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                            You know of a good reliable tutorial where I can do this?

                            [–]NibblyPig 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            I use bold beast call recorder :)

                            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                            It may be illegal, but which is worse: fighting a rape charge or fighting a wire tapping/spying charge which was only used to prove your innocence of the first?

                            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            The worst would be having the audio evidence thrown out as illegal, getting convicted of rape, and then being prosecuted for illegal wire tapping.

                            [–]ScarletNumbers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            Why were they talking in English?

                            [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            i've been recording on video (whenever i can) and audio for years now. this is a really good strategy i tell you guys. also, always back up your texts with these whores and back them up periodically. i have texts going back 7 years at least. this shit ain't no joke fellas.

                            [–]Wilreadit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                            She was the accuse-rapist, trying to get some cash via settlement. These whores are not disgusting. They are just AWALT.

                            My dear dick owners, never EVER fuck a woman without a recorded consent. It is not just important, it is the only thing that matters. Lean, fat, white, black, slim princess or a beached whale; fuck anyone you want but do not forget to record the consent and keep it.

                            AWALT

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                            [–]TomRoberts2016 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Better to leave on running that doesn't make large sized files and keep space free.

                            Imagine that you might have your life destroyed because you didn't have an extra bit of space on your phone?

                            Better start practicing secretly recording conversations with people.

                            [–]Reality_Facade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Rape is a serious thing. False accusations of rape should be treated equally serious.

                            [–]Spidertech500 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            What an amazing year: Brexit, Trump, Spez getting caught censoring people and now Sweden is uncucking themselves. What could come next?

                            [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            I note with interest that an article in an obscure Swedish legal newspaper remarkably gets over 1,000 upvotes on TRP. This goes to show how vanishingly rare it is worldwide for women to be held legally accountable for the grave injustice of falsely accusing a man of rape.

                            Let's keep this issue in the public spotlight where it belongs, Gentlemen!

                            [–]pewpsprinkler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Women who make false rape accusations should face at least 2 years in prison, if not the full sentence that the rapist would have received.

                            False rape accusations are very common, and are a weapon that crazy women use. Crazy women who do this might seem rare, but actual rape is rare too, so these false accusations are very significant when compared to honest reported rapes.

                            Ironically, the feminist propaganda that protects these false accusers undermines real rape allegations, since no one really knows whether the woman is being honest.

                            If you started to throw false accusers in prison, you would be a huge drop in false accusations. Thing about crazy women is, they are great at getting men thrown into prison, but they have a knack for avoiding prison themselves. They would mostly stop if they had real consequences to fear.

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                            [–]Limekill 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            Actually happening everywhere.

                            In Australia we have Lebanese whereas in Sweden they have Turkish. Those guys are a lot more forward and use their mates to help isolate chicks (I'm talking 'game' here), many times when they talk about nights out they will mention a guy who took one for the team (i.e. took the fatty). They provide drugs, have fast cars (wrx, etc), etc, so even though they are at the lower end of the spectrum (in terms of Education, IQ, job) girls fuck 'em.

                            [–]canders0424 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Feel like you have one protect your self no matter what now days

                            [–]huoyuanjiaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Sound recording is an excellent idea why didn't I think of that! Just need my phone with me.

                            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Honestly, why should the woman be punished at all? She's a fucking child. She has been conditioned to believe that regret= rape. I have no doubt that she honestly believes she was raped. The alternative is that she made a conscious, knowing and intelligent decision to have sex with an immigrant stranger in a dirty bathroom. She doesn't have the higher-order reasoning skills to understand that she is responsible for her actions, even actions that she later regrets.

                            So, I think the comments in this thread are too hard on her. You are giving her more credit than she deserves.

                            the bottom line is women are children, and you have to treat them like children.

                            [–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            she woman was convicted (and sentenced to laughably small damages and fines) for false accusation.

                            it's s start.

                            this women sounds like she just had the sex with him so she could claim to be raped the next day

                            [–]Profdiddy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            I think this is a good place to reiterate why these accusations take place. Several factors are at play. One, the guy was a chubby immigrant. Okay for a shame fucking but not as a boyfriend. His first mistake was not making her cum. His second mistake was not being attractive. His third mistake was outing the whore to her friends with the call. The whore herd likely shamed her and this engaged her ASD. Obey these rules, go forth and screw some chicks visiting the hometown tomorrow for Thanksgiving.

                            [–]ingenjor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Yeah, this turn of events makes so much sense. Swedish girls will happily fuck alpha-acting arabs from clubs rather than meek Swedish men, but to get outed to her friends was a serious blow to her reputation.

                            [–]TomRoberts2016 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Made the recording for "protection".

                            Yeah, that's why I do it too...

                            [–]ChehMendoza 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Little did everyone know, he recorded her not because he had a hunch that she would accuse him of rape, but because he would later use it to jerk off since he's a blind man and can't watch video recordings!

                            Saying he had a hunch was his excuse to record her.

                            [–]stawek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Lesson learned: don't fucking brag in front of her friends.

                            If they disapprove she will have to minimize the damage somehow. Either she says you are lying and she'd never fuck a loser like you, destroying your reputation with all common friends, or she goes straight to police.

                            [–]prinzklaus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Haven't seen it yet....the guy thought enough before hand to record the encounter, but couldn't think to wear a rubber AND came in her. That was a rookie mistake. Almost cost him dearly if he hadn't taken the other precaution. Hope he didn't catch any STD's from that pos.

                            [–]yummyluckycharms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Its better to ask forgiveness than permission. In today's age, with fake rape accusations being the norm and where the accusers will face little penalty for making them, its an idiot who doesnt take steps to protect themselves

                            [–]BiteAndThrow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            "The guy tried to call her the next morning, but she didn't answer. Instead, he called her friends (he had gotten their numbers too) and mistakenly mentioned that they had fucked the night before. The friends immediately became defensive."

                            Did the rape accusation happen before or after this? Also, calling her friends is a big mistake.

                            [–]iamanenemy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            1) Not sure why "Swedish" is in quotes. 2) This proves what exactly?

                            [–]UtopianKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Phew, oh god I have dodged so many bullets with women in my life by sheer accident.. here's one of them:

                            I was at a club with some friends, just hanging around. During the evening a chick checks me out once in a while from the other table. Later it was my turn to get the drinks, this chick follows me and starts making out with me, then she takes my hand and leads me to the toilets, locks the door and wants me to fuck her, she spread her legs.. I hesitated and asked if she had a rubber, because I didn't have any. She said we don't need one, she told me she was clean. Luckily I was too drunk and I lost my erection and couldn't get it up in time. The bouncer knocked on the door just in time, and demanded me to unlock the door. The girl said no, but I opened it even though my dick was still hanging out for everyone to see. I zipped up then I went back to my friends. When the closing time came, I saw the chick again with her friends, I asked if she wanted to continue where we left off, she replied "I have a boyfriend." Then I asked are you sure? Because it didn't stop you earlier. And then left without hearing her reply.

                            Anyways I always thought that damn that was my alpha moment: a hot chick wants my dick because I'm jacked and special and whatever. I used to be proud of that, and everytime I told that story I was "the man" because random women at the club just want to fuck me. But now after TRP I've realized that she just wanted my cum, to fuck his boyfriend over and if that fails, I was backup plan, and this shit is instinctual to women. And I was worried about STDs...

                            So anyway, thank you my flaccid little friend for saving me and some poor dude for the time being.. there were casualties none the less: I never bought those drinks:(

                            [–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                            Dirty club toilets rule. That's where I meet my ex-wives.

                            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                            thats where you meet herpes :)

                            [–]MeatCurtainRod 0 points1 point  (8 children)

                            If only the justice system in the west had the balls to face up to feminist hypocrisy.

                            Can we confirm if this man is a migrant? He might have gotten a free pass due to the whole muslim issues going on there.

                            [–]ovonbom[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                            An immigrant yes, but hardly a migrant in the sense the word is used today. The guy has a turkish sounding name as well as a job and a car back in 2013 (i.e. has lived in Sweden for quite a while) so I have a hard time believing he received any "muslim free pass". From the police, you'd rather expect the opposite (especially as most female police officers tend to be the same kind of lower-class girls from the countryside as the "victim").

                            Then I googled the female judge and found out that she not only bench presses 200+ lbs (!), but also has published articles about how Swedish courts must uphold the same burden of proof and presumption of innocence in rape cases just as in all other cases despite popular opinion to convict more rapists.

                            [–]Orbiter42 0 points1 point  (6 children)

                            why should they? it just leaves more pussy for the guys who are above the system...

                            [–]MeatCurtainRod 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                            why should they? it just leaves more pussy for the guys who are above the system...

                            Uh.. what is this 'above the system' crap? You a cop who abuses his power on the streets? WTF are you talking about?

                            [–]Orbiter42 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                            one of the underlining thoughts in RP, is that those guys of high SMV are allowed a wider degree of behavior. while the same laws, both legal and social, still apply, the Alpha male, is the one that females compete for, while betas compete for the rejected females.

                            thats what i mean, above the system.

                            [–]MeatCurtainRod 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                            is that those guys of high SMV are allowed a wider degree of behavior.

                            You are making a HUGE mistake. Being above the system isn't about SMV. You get that with power. Not SMV.

                            [–]Orbiter42 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                            ironically, they are the same thing

                            [–]MeatCurtainRod 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            ironically, they are the same thing

                            No they are not. This is a HUGE misnomer. Power is SMV, but SMV is NOT power.

                            [–]Orbiter42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            lol, of course one doesn't mean the other. you can have power, and still get slapped.

                            what i meant. the unsung quality of powerful politicians, ceos, or what ever. is they have a good read on body language, and facial expressions.

                            its like a big poker game. knowing when to bluff, intimidate, call, or fold. when a man abandons his instincts, to adopt the external expectation of behavior. that external pressure, always tames, and makes the man a beta. the man that recognizes this current, but uses it, rather than being dragged under. becomes the captain of the ship.

                            more directly in terms of women. a hard core feminist i knew, who would rant about roosh v. also posted a meme to the effect of "don't ask her for sex, carry her to bed like a viking." the same woman, that felt the need to stamp out any violence against women, would fantasize about being "taken"

                            when you follow the common assertion that females are wholesome, and morally superior. you turn off your very instincts that would lead you to romantic success, out of fear of punishment. how ever, making yourself the best version of your self, while fine tuning your instincts, to know when and when not to act, will elevate you above the system.

                            [–]samurai96 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Wait I thought Sweden was cuck central, how he get away?

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