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Field ReportConsider the bottom 80% - Your competition is pathetic (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by LordOfTheReptiles

I wanted to write down some thoughts I’ve had in regards to a recent post on TRP. The post is titled “Here’s the Top 20%”. I recommend you read that article because it is pretty insightful when looked at in the right way.

The writer gives statistics about what it means to get to the top 20% in various categories - height, salary, dick size, debt, and number of sexual partners. I wanted to flesh this out a bit more because I worry that many guys here are going to read that article and their takeaway is going to be that they aren’t doing well enough in these categories to succeed in dating and sex. I believe the intention of the article was to demonstrate that it is not nearly as difficult as you think it is to become a high value man, not that you HAVE to be top 20% to achieve success with women. More importantly, I want to emphasize that the vast majority of guys you are up against offer so little in terms of competition that it is not something you should spend any reasonable amount of time thinking about.

This will be a bit of a field report with some subjective opinions on where I think the majority of men stand in the world, and why it is much easier than you think to reach a point where dating is easy. This is not exaggerated for dramatic affect. I am simply trying to illustrate that most of you can be successful with women if you focus on the right things instead of obsessing over what the top guys are all doing.

This past weekend, I slept with 3 women between Friday and Sunday. One was a girl I had already been seeing, one was a girl I went on one date with about a week prior (date ended without sex), and one was someone I had never met before. Since people will undoubtedly ask, my “stats” are:

  • 5’11”
  • 31 years old
  • 15% bodyfat
  • $130k (salary + investments)
  • Ginger (I get compared to Dameon Louis, for a reference)
  • Live in my own apartment in downtown Boston
  • Tinder profile has recent pics from a bachelor party and wedding
  • Normal social life but nothing crazy
  • A few hobbies (rock climbing, photography, drawing, cooking)

This would put me as above average in the general population of men in my bracket and city. I’m not jacked, although I have lost about 40 pounds over the past year which has yielded a massive improvement in my looks. I generally wear dark clothes including a mix of button ups, graphic t-shirts, nice jeans and clean / higher end shoes and boots. I am hygienic, keep my facial hair trimmed and neat, pluck my eyebrows, gel my hair, and put on cologne. It takes me a total of about 15 minutes to get ready to go out.

Why am I talking about this? Because everything I just listed, aside from height, is completely obtainable for the average guy and virtually none of it is luck, genetics, or out of reach. Having orange hair could even be looked at as a detriment (no freckles, thankfully) and yet I regularly have women told me I’m their “first ginger”, and even sometimes hear “I’ve always had a thing for redheads”. It is not an exaggeration to say that most men do not even present themselves in an attractive way through basic hygiene and fashion.

Thursday night I had a girl I’ve been seeing over to watch a movie. She stayed the night, we fucked on my lunch break Friday, and then she left to head to her friend’s beach rental for the weekend. Friday night, I went out with a buddy of mine to see our other friend’s album premier. It was at a low-key bar, about 50 people, and I had no intentions or plans to hit on women. Around 12PM, a girl I had been messaging through Tinder asks what I’m up to. We had no plans to meet up anytime soon, but she had gotten off a late shift at her hospital and was bored. I told her I was watching my friend’s band play, and that she should stop by to check it out. I text her the address and tell her I have an extra ticket, she says she’ll be there in 20. This was a woman who had actually rejected my advances to grab a drink earlier in the week.

When she got there, she admitted she had messaged a few guys but seeing the band sounded like fun. You know why? Because the other guys were sitting at their fucking apartment and invited her to come straight there. They weren’t doing ANYTHING interesting. She told me she had never been invited to something like this. I asked her what she did for a living, and she told me she’s a doctor at one of the local hospitals. Before arriving, I told my friend and his girlfriend to make sure this girl felt comfortable, as she didn’t know anyone here and we had never met in person before. My friend’s girlfriend pulled her aside, got to know her a bit, while I was bullshitting with my buddy near them. It helped to diffuse the tension of her arriving to a venue of complete strangers. It showed that I wasn’t some guy sitting by myself asking Tinder girls to come out and just get drunk. Nothing about this situation was difficult on my end, yet it stood out to her as different than what she is normally invited to do.

After introducing her to the band, we got invited to an after party. At this point, after knowing me for an hour, she was excited to go and had no reservations about it. I made her laugh, made her feel comfortable, and showed that I actually have something to offer and talk about. We stopped by the party, and after 30 or so minutes we realized that we were probably the only people not on drugs. She said she felt weird, but didn’t want to go home. Given that it was 3AM at this point and all the bars were closed, I took the hint and said we can head back to my place. She said yes, again with no hesitation.

We get to my place, and the first thing she says is that she is impressed with how clean it is. I want to write this again to emphasize what stood out to her. A fucking DOCTOR was impressed that I clean my apartment. What does that say about the average guy in the dating scene? She was genuinely surprised that my god damn furniture matches, that I pick out artwork that isn’t just some melting clock you see in every dorm room in the United States, that I have real plants, and that I don’t have dirty clothes laying on the floor in my bedroom. Why do you think Jordan Peterson literally has a chapter dedicated to cleaning your bedroom in his latest book? It’s because the majority of the male populated can’t be bothered to pick up their shit-stained boxers off the floor and wipe the piss stains off their toilet seat. If you can’t take the time to do basic human chores, why would quality women want to fuck you?

The doctor and I talked about our experiences on Tinder for a bit, about how she’s tired of the way guys act on Tinder, don’t look like their pictures, don’t make an effort to get to know her before trying to have sex, and how her last date showed up in a baseball jersey to a restaurant and spent the entire time talking about the Red Sox. We fucked that night and the next morning after breakfast.

Later that night, another girl I had met once before texted me saying she wanted to hang out, so I invited her to a bar a few blocks from my place. She asked why that bar, and I said that they have good food and it’s close to my place if we decide we want to come back here afterwards. Again, same stories. She’s tired of dating, she’s sick of guys in their 20’s acting like children, sex with most men is boring, the list goes on. I tell her I’m into interior design, she says she wants to see my place. A half hour later she tells me she’s so glad she’s finally getting laid again.

Next day, I get a text from the doctor saying she’s bored and misses my comfy sofa. I invite her over and ask if she likes Sci Fi. She says no, so I put on the new Blade Runner to change her mind. We fuck afterwards. She tells me to text her whenever I want her to swing by. She says she likes that I made sure she had an orgasm. That is who I’m up against. That is who YOU are up against. Guys who are too fucking lazy for things like foreplay. Guys who think that vanilla missionary sex for 5 minutes is going to make her feel sexy. Guys who don’t ask what she likes and doesn’t like in bed. Guys who don’t pay attention to her noises and body. Guys that don’t know where her clit is, let alone touch it. Guys who say “nice tits” instead of SHOWING her that you like them.

Before people jump down my throat and accuse me of making this up - this was an above average weekend for me. I normally don’t put this much time into getting laid. What I did do is put myself into situations where it is possible if and when it arises. I would have been completely content with watching the band and going home. What stood out to me, however, was when the girl on Friday told me she wouldn’t have hung out with me if I had just invited her to my apartment. She liked that we actually did something fun, because these types of offers are so rare from men. When you put yourself into situations like this, you impress women and they want to be part of your life. If you actually take the time to do, say, and express that you care about and do interesting things, dating becomes easy. It becomes enjoyable. It gives you experiences that both you and the women will remember and appreciate. It makes you stand out among a sea of average and lazy morons.

I read an article a couple months ago about how Boston is the best city to be a single man in. This was factored out of a number of things, including the male-to-female ratio (many more women than men), how well educated the women are, how many women are single, and various other things a single guy would want. I can wholeheartedly say that it is filled with beautiful, intelligent, funny, and successful women. Many of them are unhappy with their dating lives, and it became very obvious why. I can break down the vast majority of men in my city into one of two categories. The first is the “Boston Sports Guy”. His entire existence and well-being are based around how well New England sports teams are doing. He wears baseball jerseys and hats when he goes out to bars, only talks about the Red Sox and Patriots, and would probably be honored to have Tom Brady fuck his girlfriend in front of him. His apartment is filled with sports memorabilia and little else. The second type is the “Cambridge Hipster”. He weighs less than the women he’s trying to sleep with, is hypersensitive about everything, wears purple converse and generic flannel like everyone else around him, and thinks that playing shitty music on a guitar is going to impress women with how deep he is. He agrees with everything women say and do, and thinks that being an overbearing nice guy will get him laid. Deep down he resents the women he pursues for constantly putting him in the friend zone. Again, this is my competition.

The guys on this sub need to calm down with the obsession over becoming “Chad”. AskTRP is flooded with questions like “what’s the alpha response here” and “is what I did beta”. Look, I get it. Guys are frustrated with dating so they blame women and compare themselves to the men that those women are fucking. Yes, it can be beneficial to mimic behaviors of people who are exceptional at something in order to improve yourself in that regard. A perfect example is watching stand-up comedy routines in order to improve your humor. That being said, reaching the top 20% in different categories does not immediately surround you with this aura that women just pick up on and want to fuck. These categories are components of a bigger machine. The majority of men are lazy, boring, and put little to no effort into the things they say and do. That is exactly why “alpha” guys stand out. Effort makes you stand out, not just the results of that effort. Giving a shit about something makes you stand out, but that doesn’t mean you have to be the best at it.

Instead of worrying about how tall you are, try to consider that the bottom 80% of men are so low effort that they barely exist in the eyes of women. You are competing with the top 20% a lot less than you probably think you are, because there simply aren’t many of them. Many of them get tied down with girlfriends and wives, and some of the men that are technically top 20% in these categories still are not dating because they don’t know how to be social. I know multiple men in the tech industry that earn well over $100k, are in decent shape, have some hobbies, and still don’t date anyone because they have no idea how to talk to women. Instead of worrying about what the alpha guys are doing and how much more they bench than you, try to keep in mind that becoming above average is incredibly easy by putting in a mediocre amount of effort into things that women notice (which are things that you should also care about anyway). Some simple things you can do to stand out among the majority of guys include:

  1. Good hygiene
  2. Matching clothes
  3. Furniture that isn’t disgusting
  4. A clean apartment
  5. At least one skill that can also be sexual (I learned massage and own a table)
  6. A career you care about, or at least working towards one
  7. Attending social events that are not just about drinking
  8. A dating profile that doesn’t have just bathroom selfies
  9. A social circle of people that are interesting
  10. Hobbies that she will want to be a part of (rock climbing for me)

That’s it. That’s what it takes to stand out. That is the bare minimum you need to make yourself attractive, and you don't even need everything on that list. I didn’t include lifting/fitness on here because that should be a given. If money is an issue, order new furniture off of WayFair (do not buy Ikea). Get a new haircut from a gay stylist, and tell him you want a masculine/clean look. If you have no fashion sense, go to an affordable but trendy clothing store and tell the girl working there that you want a new outfit to go see your friends band in, and let her pick it out for you. Take pictures of you doing things and being around people and use that on Tinder instead of a selfie. Say something other than "hey" when you message your matches. If you get nervous talking to women, then talk to them like it is one of your friends but make a note to turn the conversation sexual at some point. That is all you have to do. You don’t have to be Chad. You don’t have to be 6’5”. You don’t have to earn $300k. You don’t have to drive a Porsche.

Stop overthinking all this shit and comparing yourself to some douchebag on Instagram. Will she fuck another guy that has these things? Maybe, maybe not. Are you really going to spend your time sitting around, breaking down statistical benchmarks to try to calculate the odds of her fucking a richer guy? That is a MASSIVE waste of time and is going to drive you crazy. Just approach the girls you want to, show them a good time, and move on with it. I’ve been cheated on more than once, and I can tell you without a doubt that some of the guys were not “higher” than me on the dating scale. They just offered something I didn’t. I can’t do anything about it, but one thing I can do is enjoy the time I have with women without worrying about if and when they’re going to climb the ladder. The women I was with this weekend will at some point move on, and I don’t care. It doesn’t matter. When they find new guys, I’ll find new women because there is nothing stopping me from doing so.

One of the biggest ironies I see here is when guys complain that women could have the audacity to ever want to be with a better guy, as if the guys here wouldn't do the exact same thing if they could. Are you seriously going to act like if you were a sleeping with an average girl, that you wouldn't fuck someone who looks like a model if you had the opportunity? You're just insecure because it's easier for them than it is for you. Is it fair? No, it isn't, but it is reality. Women have some things easier than men, and the opposite is also true as well. As a guy, you literally get better looking as you age and she gets worse looking. You don't menstruate once a month, and you can have a kid in your 50's with absolutely no risk to your own health or the child's. Stop complaining that one aspect of dating is easier for one sex, when plenty of other things are easier for you. You can control almost every aspect of your life that makes you attractive or ugly to the opposite sex, so stop obsessing over guys that do it better than you. Your height is not the reason you aren't getting laid, it's the fact that you're taking time out of your day complaining about your height on the internet.

I am glad the author of the “Top 20%” article put those statistics out there, but that is all that they are. Statistics. Not one of the women I slept with this weekend asked me my height or my salary. They slept with me because I put effort into things. They know I'm successful because they can SEE it when they walk into my apartment. If a woman being impressed that I clean my apartment doesn’t say enough about the current state of men in the dating scene, I don’t know what else will. Your competition is dogshit.


[–]GuitarHero07 220 points221 points  (46 children)

For the most part, I agree with you. Some people overthink it and act like only guys who are built like action heroes and drive around in Ferraris can get attractive girls. This is certainly not true. The bottom 80% isn't very impressive. But, most of us aren't trying to compete with the bottom 80%. If you are trying to have carnal relations with high SMV females, the competition is stiff.

We're not here because we want to learn how to get with Plain Jane. We want Sexy Sally and the fact is that everyone wants Sexy Sally. There's no playing that down. I live in a similar sized city to Boston. All over this city there are high end apartment complexes and condos full of young, successful, fit, driven men. Theres plenty of people driving around in BMWs, Mercedes, Audis etc. Plenty of guys are dressing nicely, lifting nicely, have immaculate hair and have great bachelor pads. The beautiful girls here have plenty of suitors.

I'm not doubting the OP's success and in fact I am happy for him. I have also enjoyed a significant increase in success since discovering the so-called "Manosphere." But let's not play down how hard the game is. Without becoming "black pilled" and completely giving up, we should acknowledge that it's a competitive world out there and there is no substitute for grinding hard in life.

[–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 112 points113 points  (14 children)

If you live in a progressive city, like Boston, you will see these guys around - more if you're in the financial district, less if you're in Southie. They exist, there's no denying that, but there's an assumption that all of them are single, straight, and on the market. Many of them get tied down to relationships, because they pull a smokeshow and she reels him into commitment. Many of them are gay, because gay men generally put more effort into looks and appearance than straight men. Some of them are out and bringing girls back left and right, but there simply aren't enough of them to go around for the amount of women that want them. There's only so many women you can sleep with on a weekly basis, even if it is your primary goal.

It is always going to be competitive. That will never change. It isn't necessarily a bad thing, and it should push you to improve and work on yourself so you can date the women you want to. I'm not advocating for dating average girls - quite the contrary actually. I'm saying you don't need to be 6'4" pulling in $200k a year to get higher caliber women. You also need to consider if you genuinely, honestly want to date the Instagram models who spend all their time taking photos of their asses on the beach. Are they hot? Sure. They're also usually boring, shallow, and have very little to offer outside of their looks. To me, the girl-next-door type is usually a lot more fun to be around and has way more to offer besides just looks. They aren't difficult to meet. Fucking the club girls gets old after awhile, believe it or not.

[–]ethical_pa 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Here's the thing. A fairly attractive "plain Jane" or girl next door, with a nice figure is just attractive, if not more, because of the personality boost. Also, the quality of the sex has usually nothing to do with how attractive she is, and more to do with the chemistry between the two of you. Sure, if a 9 or 10 happens to be into me, I would pursue it of course. But, is it worth the effort for to make that your goal? For me, no.

[–]Trp2166 18 points19 points  (6 children)

So here's my dilemma: Im 19 and go to a party school where I'm in the top 10% of guys easily due to my social connections and the fact that I'm a pretty social. However, the guys and girls I interact with on a regular basis are also all top 5-10%, and you can probably imagine that girls who are 8/9s are going to be dating up for sure. The girls are one thing, but it also certainly doesn't help that everytime I go out or meet people essentially i'm with my friends who are all 8+, and in fact my roommate and best friend is one of the best looking and charismatic guys at my school whose fucked literally half the cheer team.

I'm somewhat of a late bloomer in terms of socializing so game when meeting girls at parties and immediately escalating is pretty bad. When people actually get to know me or talk to me they love me, almost every single time, but unless i'm drunk and super talkative the girls seemingly get bored and move on to the next guy, even if that guy is less attractive. Whereas in other social situations its much much easier to game girls, but those situations where we aren't at a frat party or pregame are few and far between.

TL;DR: Standing out compared to losers is easy, but when your directly competing with the "best of the best" it becomes much harder.

[–]3nebder 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Wing for your bro & get the 7.5 when he pulls the 9. Cooperation can get you further than competition with your boy.

[–]Red_pill_2017 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I feel you. Joined the top fraternity in my school but feel like I’d get more pussy being the stud of a mid tier frat. But what the other commentor said is true, I find myself 2 on 2 with fine ass bitches all the time, I just gotta execute.

Not that I’m doing bad for myself, currently dating one of the average looking cheerleaders at my school. Not bad for someone who was an incel as a freshman lol

[–]GuitarHero07 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I know that some of these Instagram models are very expensive prostitutes. That’s not what I’m talking about. We have to understand that just as many men are practically invisible to attractive women, a lot of women are simply undateable to top tier men.

A large percentage of women are obese or overweight. Others have already been knocked up. Others are post-Wall. Others are in committed relationships. So what percentage of women in any given city are young, single, fit, childless and sexy? I’m not saying it’s an impossibility small number as some are making it out to be. But it’s a relatively small pool of women.

Even an average girl is likely getting hit on multiple times per day. She has a bunch of orbiters in her social circle. On Tinder she has more matches than she knows what to do with. I guarantee she can go to a bar or club and have a wide variety of dicks to choose from. All she has to do is show up and look nice.

Again, I’m not disagreeing with what you’re saying. I mostly agree with you. I just wanted to fine tune what you’re saying just a little. You don’t have to be an “ultra Chad” to get laid on a regular basis by attractive women. But at the same time, unless you inherited tremendous wealth or naturally amazing looks, you will need to put in some hard work if you want to get with high SMV women.

[–]prostaddict 2 points3 points  (3 children)

One thing about Boston is that it's a comparatively fit city as well and fitness is big on the apps around here. My friend went from getting 10-12 matches a week to 100+ after posting an Abs pic. I am 31, 6'3'' pulling in over 200k a year, live in a high rise in back bay, and yes, it's easier than before, - but you hit diminishing returns after a certain level of income. That balance is important and frankly, at that point fitness may be the best SMV boost (for me anyway, I'd say I'm around 15-16%) - but tbf I've been primarily focusing on the apps recently

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Nice salary, are you in tech? I'm in cyber security at the moment, been at it for a few years but would like to bit but numbers like you in Boston

[–]prostaddict 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah - I work in tech. I found that you can make a lot of money in customer facing roles - I'm a Sales Engineer

[–]Skyhawk_And_Skyhead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seriously, people complain about the rent in boston but the salaries are fucking insane. I make about 1300 a week while going to school

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People don't go for club girls because theyre preferred they go for them because they're accessible. The less easier they are the more day/night game required to pull them.

[–]Biggie_Smores 34 points35 points  (1 child)

I don't care for a sexy Sally. It's like when you look at BMWs or Audis, I just see a high repair and maintenance ticket. Which is too much bullshit than i have time for.

Plain jane just needs an occasional lube and that bitch will run without a hitch for years.

New cars are like new girlfriends - they don't ride better - just different.

Choose your battles.

[–]BlackFallout 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Sexy Sally charges 395/ hour. Everyone can be with sexy Sally. This is how it is here in Vegas. All the pretty girls suck dick for money when rent is coming up. All the guys who are in the top 20% know this too and just play hump n dump for the most part. The pretty girls that are with a man for long is rare here. I have no examples actually. Dudes get bored and it's on to the next one.

[–]1elite5472 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Or 80-100 an hour in Brazil. At that price you might as well go do sex tourism.

[–]Psychocist 17 points18 points  (11 children)

This is why many low/mid-tier guys move to other countries to level the playing field. I did it by moving to Thailand. Even though there are plenty of young, successful, fit, driven men here, most of the women are 10x more attractive than the average chick where I'm from (UK). Therefore.. abundance. Couldn't care less whether one of them disappeared, no matter how hot she is. Some other sexy bitch will come along.

high SMV females

This is another important aspect. What is a high SMV female in the West? Is that a high-powered career woman with money and confidence.. a man? Or is it a beautifully feminine gem with a wealthy family? As has been said before - women fill the container. Sexy Sally in the West is a shadow of her Asian or South American counterpart. Let those top 20% fight over 'em. I wouldn't even consider it worth the effort.

that it's a competitive world out there and there is no substitute for grinding hard in life.

Yeh, grind hard for one thing in life: your personal freedom. Women are a side-effect.

[–]omega_dawg93 2 points3 points  (4 children)

in the west, a high SMV female does NOT need an education, personality, $, etc.

all she needs is a cute face, blond hair, blue eyes, tan skin, and big tits (real or fake). she will have 90% of all men after her even if she can't spell her own last name.

i've seen many, many men ruin their lives searching for, marrying, and dealing with their barbie doll trophy wife.

[–]SweatyDiarrhea 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is something I wish TRP would harp on more. Fellas need to stop being so thirsty, so environmental conditions force women to raise their own SMV levels as a whole.

[–]Irkeeler 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Although I don't necessarily agree on your cross continental move motivation being a higher SMV female(s), you got my upvote for 'grind hard for one thing in life: your personal freedom.'

[–]Psychocist 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Although I don't necessarily agree on your cross continental move motivation being a higher SMV female(s)

To clarify, that was one of the minor motivations. The core motivations was the second point: personal freedom. By reducing my living expenses by 80% I've been able to take on part-time work and now have full-time to focus on my own projects.

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    [–]KarmicPrism 2 points3 points  (7 children)

    What do you look like at top 10%?

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      [–]KarmicPrism 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      Got ya! That was what I meant. Shaved head and beard club, for the win. Although I'm more like 5'7. Post a pic brosk, so I can get some motivation, just recently shaved my head, and have a vibing beard growing in gloriously, just getting used to it, would be nice motiv to see a top percenter rocking the look as I'm still getting used to the shape of my head 😂

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        [–]KarmicPrism 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Yeah I'm not into the razored look for myself either. It feels like my head is just one large testicle that's been clean shaved and waxed after experiencing a violent bout of macroorchidism.

        [–]3nebder 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        I was clean shaved for a long time. Went to a music festival and didn’t shave for about 4-5 days. I found the short look is way better on me thanks to my laziness at the time. Who knew

        I keep my head trimmed to the 2nd setting on my beard trimmer. The beard is the 1st setting so its marginally shorter. Have to maintain every 3-4 days or for the weekend if I’m going out. Beard is full facial with shaved cheeks up top to make a neat line.

        Its a great masculine look. Get complimented quite often on it.

        Also get lean to bring out all your facial aesthetics. Got to 11-12% and the “chiseled” compliments start flowing.

        Get contacts if you can. My prescription is so bad it makes my eyes look out of shape from my head when you look through the front of the glasses.

        [–]KarmicPrism 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Yeah it really depends on your level of hair. How bad are you thinning?

        [–]3nebder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        thin enough on the crown that you can see scalp when you shouldnt. Could’ve went with minoxidil but said fuck it it is what it is. I’m old enough that balding isnt a huge strike against me. Got some silverfox in my beard that works in my favor.

        If you have very short/shaved hair up top you gotta have a beard that’s my main advice here.

        [–]vast_rightwing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        was in boston in the last year and the first thing i noticed was the crazy differential between guys and girls. the typical dude's arms were about the same size as a girls should be and a lot just looked like fucking slobs. most the people running around could either afford to live in boston or were attending harvard/MIT so im sure the guys had other things going for them but really threw me off compared to the young/wealthy neighborhood that I call home. However i can run up the road to a hipster looking district and turn heads.

        youre not shooting for 80th percentile, USA; youre shooting for 80th percentile, 10 minute diameter.

        [–]Hailteni NaHalitenina[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        But let's not play down how hard the game is. Without becoming "black pilled" and completely giving up, we should acknowledge that it's a competitive world out there and there is no substitute for grinding hard in life.

        +1

        There are two types of people in the world.

        [–]Adorable_Lengthiness 46 points47 points  (18 children)

        This is a great follow up that strikes home for me. According to the other OP's post, I'm a top 20%, if not top 10% on all of the items listed in that post, except n-count. I'm almost 30, 6'4", 200lbs with average looks, average dick size, earn over 100k in tech field, have zero debt and solid savings, great hobbies and passions that excite me and I have all of the typical puzzle pieces that should make me successful in the dating field. However, I have an absolutely abysmal n-count. Or at least, an abysmal n-count if focusing on the last 5 years of my life.

        I've only slept with 10-15 women in my lifetime (I've forgotten most of them) with most of them being from when I was 14-23. After 23, I had no action for 2 years and then got into my first ever relationship with one shitshow of a girl for a few years that I then ended almost 2 years ago after realizing how bad it was for me. Since then, I've only had one disappointing drunk hookup in some backwater town with a girl way below my standards just out of sheer desperation to get my rocks off with someone so that I could feel wanted sexually.

        No matter how much of a 20, 10, or 5-percenter or whatever the hell percentage I am in income/cock size/n-count/etc., it does absolutely nothing to make up for my lack of social skills and ability to advertise my value. If anything, it frustrates me even more because I feel, and more importantly know, how valuable I am, but nothing comes of it because how the fuck is anyone except me supposed to know how fucking awesome I am when I don't say or do anything to show it?! Nevertheless, the disconnect between knowing how valuable you are internally and other people looking at me and seeing someone far less valuable externally is a wonderfully terrible combination for fucking with your psyche and slowing you down or stopping you altogether from fixing the issues you have and getting better.

        That's not to say I'm not trying to do something about it. I'm here. I'm reading. I'm lifting. I'm thinking. I'm trying to progress. However, I've always been good at those things. The part I have yet to figure out and wrap my head around is how the fuck do I advertise myself. What I need right now is a class titled "Marketing Me: How to Sell Yourself", because if there's anything I've learned up till now, it's that I sure as shit don't know how to do it myself.​

        Good hygiene

        Matching clothes

        Furniture that isn’t disgusting

        A clean apartment

        At least one skill that can also be sexual (I learned massage and own a table)

        A career you care about, or at least working towards one

        Attending social events that are not just about drinking

        A dating profile that doesn’t have just bathroom selfies

        A social circle of people that are interesting

        Hobbies that she will want to be a part of (rock climbing for me)

        Lists like this are a great step in the right direction for me and are greatly appreciated. Now I just have to figure out what the fuck matching clothes and non-disgusting furniture are lol. I'm currently renting a room so all I can really do is work on my little private slice of paradise, but clothing wise I'm dressing and grooming like I'm still in high school with not much effort or thought put into anything (t-shirts/jeans to work, unkempt facial hair, etc.).

        It sounds like my best steps are to:

        • get my wardrobe revamped at a high quality store (where?)
        • get and set a grooming schedule - haircut, beard trim, eyebrows, pedicure/manicure, etc.
        • figure out how the fuck to sell myself in person rather than hoping that HB8 across the bar can read my mind and see how fucking cool I think I am in my head lol
        • $$$
        • Profit?

        [–]1Ramesses_ 35 points36 points  (9 children)

        I have found a consistent theme with guys who are on paper very attractive but struggle in real life to get laid:

        1. Not skilled or used to taking initiative with women
        2. Way too high pressure on themselves to succeed in every interaction with women

        On the first point one of the most important skills is simply making the move. The move = the two and only two keys to making this shit happen: isolation and escalation. Being attractive is useless without driving your interactions towards those two things. Ask the legions of guys you'll find on here with stories of girls they could have fucked if only they'd made a move. Or even worse the guys who are genuinely good looking but didn't get laid for years.

        Your job as a man is to get alone time with a woman and gently, consistently escalate the interaction. Simple steps. Start with light touches (hand on arm/shoulder, playful pushes, even simple handshakes or hug/kiss hello). Then slowly up the ante. Move into her personal space, be more overt with the touching. Eventually the kiss, etc. Likewise with isolation. If you start somewhere crowded move things to somewhere more intimate. Progressively get more and more private til you're somewhere you can take all of her clothes off without anyone seeing.

        Regarding point 2, when you want it too much it tenses you up. The key to women is to escalate while not caring. As long as you're invested in your moves working and she can sense that she'll be horribly turned off. I know it's hard but you need to find a way to approach these interactions without caring if they work or not.

        Think about this man. Literally everything on earth that you could do you will do better if you're relaxed. Doesn't matter if it's women, surgery, welding, sales or simple social interactions. Being relaxed always allows you to better execute your skills. So the solution is obvious then isn't it: RELAX! I know though. Easier said than done.

        You will be fine man. Some guys isolate and escalate naturally. But it's something you can easily learn. If you're already attractive you will be successful. It's inevitable. You simply need to target women who are receptive to you to start with. It's guaranteed success. Start to get a bit of momentum and confidence. The more of that feeling that shows the more receptive women you will find. And don't forget. You can't win them all. Even if you're Brad Pitt there will still be girls who prefer George Clooney. Nobody can get all of them. Nobody. So try and be a bit easier on yourself. We all strike out.

        [–]As32b 0 points1 point  (5 children)

        I have no problem establishing initial attaction .I escalate pretty aggressively and I feel like it's always going great until I try to bring the girl to my place.

        They often make up some shit like "I need to see my friends" etc. After that I feel like everything just dries off.

        Do you have any idea what I could do to fix this?

        [–]1Ramesses_ 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        Yeah man but context matters. Are these dates or attempted same night lays? A bit of resistance is normal. Contrary to popular belief women need to feel attraction AND comfort for you to close the deal. We unconsciously label women sluts and dismiss them as valueless if they don't need much or any comfort to fuck you.

        It's gentle continuous escalation not consistent aggressive escalation. If you're not getting anywhere it's not a big deal, you're just going too hard too fast which sets off their inner alarm bells. Keep at what you're doing but try pulling back at times and varying the pace. An example of this would be a passionate kiss followed by breaking physical contact and going to get a drink.

        Being more detached from the whole thing will help you. I know it's hard at first but once you have a consistent rotation of plates on your roster you won't really give a fuck with new girls half the time and then it becomes incredibly easy.

        So it's a two step process for you to practice in future: 1. Slow it down. 2. Vary the tempo (ie two steps forward one step back with everything)

        [–]As32b 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        These are usually at parties since I'm a student. But yeah, solid advice, thank you. I think I've just got the "Strike when iron is hot"-mentality from here. Maybe switching up the tempo could be the best for me.

        [–]1Ramesses_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Yeah I see. Ok I'm a bit old for student parties but I'm guessing if you slow it down a bit you will crack it pretty fast.

        Don't know how much of an option this will be for you but in the old days we used to plan dates across multiple venues slowly leading to your place with plausible deniability. For example you'd go from a loud nightclub or a place with live music to a more quiet bar to something to eat to I've got to show you the view/some item at my apartment.

        Even when clubbing this is a brilliant strategy because it's soooo much easier to get a girl to a different bar with the relative safety net of her friends nearby than back to your apartment. I would always try and get girls to go to multiple venues with me before getting them to mine. That way by the time the night ends you feel like you've known each other ten times longer.

        [–]UnderABrightRedSun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Follow up on this, but recently I was able to figure out in all my interactions with women I was interested in was never making her feel any emotion, like an interview almost.

        Since reading, and what you touched on here is touching/escalating. Now when I'm out I have to actively remember and think about touching, which is a problem because I'll get in my own head about when/how/ how to make it will recieved, which I'm no doubt sure it makes any attempt at touch cringey. So for someone early in their journey, how do you achieve the playful flirty touch without seeming like an autist?

        [–]187oddfuture 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        1. You can't completely revamp your wardrobe from one store. I just recently bought a shit ton of new clothes, and I must've gotten them from at least 20 different stores. Start with outlets. They carry last year's name brand clothes for steep discounts. Unlike tech, clothes aren't out of date six months after they're made. Anything along the lines of "that's so 2017" or whatever is just a meme. If the clothes fit good, and they're generic textiles, they're almost timeless. Along this line, shop seasonally. Stores give deep discounts on their out of season clothes (think winter clothes in spring/summer) and vice versa. Great chance to scoop up some quality threads. Read men's style blogs or search some instas to get an idea of the look you want, or for the conformist, for the look the average man in your field wears. Where you buy your clothes doesn't matter, it's how they look, and how they FIT. My favorite and best fitting shirt is a button down I got from Burlington Coat Factory for $14 as a joke for a Halloween costume. You just get lucky sometimes.
        2. Grooming. Easily researched. You work in tech. Google is literally a click away. Type something into the fucking searchbar bro. Shave every day or two. If you have a beard, buy a decent beard trimmer (think $40) and trim every 3 days if you want to keep your current length. Every time you go to a QUALITY BARBER, have them give you a straight razor shave. Shit changes lives. Don't shy away from having your barber trim your eyebrows. If he's a legit professional, he understands that eyebrow care/trimming is not gay and is not something to be embarrassed about, it's necessary. Typically men don't get manicures or pedicures. No one looks at your feet, they're in shoes all day. Our hands are supposed to be a bit rough and calloused, it shows that we work hard and is a masculine trait. Chicks dig it. Just trim your fingernails weekly and your toenails whenever they start getting long. Just shower every day and that should be enough moisture for your hands/feet, moisturizer is for women to get unnaturally soft/moist skin.
        3. Learn some game. It just comes down to confidence, which is most naturally conveyed through an IDGAF mentality. You shouldn't care whether you succeed or fail with women. There's no consequence. You know your value, so just approach and talk. If she doesn't like you, or can't see your worth, then she's dumb and it's her loss. I guarantee you don't put yourself out there almost at all. To get chicks, you have to play the game. There aren't any shortcuts. Read up on style, groom, and then throw on your best new outfit, hit the town, and mack on some bitches. You'd be surprised what a little game and fashion can do for today's man.
        4. You can never have too much money.
        5. You don't profit from women. They are natural consumers and men are natural providers. Don't fall into the trap of taking bitches out on $100 dinner dates. That doesn't lead to sex. Re-read the post and read the comments one more time because the best dates are lowkey, low investment dates. They test for connection, leave an out for both parties, and can easily be escalated into sex at one of your places if everything goes well. Plus, follow up dates at your place become much easier because she's already comfortable with you, and the frame is already pre-established that she fucked you at your place after drinks, so why go through the trouble of going to the best restaurant in town when you can cook a meal at your place? Simple.
        6. Also, last thing. Pay close attention to when OP mentions how he had that doctor over the second time. He asked her if she liked Sci-Fi. She said no. So he threw on the new Blade Runner anyway. (Impeccable choice, fucking phenomenal movie) Culture your bitch. Do shit you like, if she likes you, she'll follow. Doing things you like will naturally make you at ease, which will directly increase your feeling of DNGAF, which will lead to better outcomes and eventually more sex. Realistically, she doesn't care what movie you watch together. She asked to come over because she wants to get dick after a long shift at work, and doesn't want to overtly ask for it. (Get hip to Plausible Deniability) Facilitate it. You shouldn't have to put much work in to get laid. Bitches give plenty of signals, you just need to act on them. In fact, her asking to come over is incredibly overt to her. What's the last thing she did when she came over? She sucked your dick and then nearly broke your bed. She wants that again, so give it to her.

        [–]hearse223[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        6 was very impressive because I personally would have just put the genre the woman preferred, rather than try to expand her taste. Interesting!

        [–]xunilive 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Look at how men in Los Angeles dress. If you prefer a certain type then look at how men dress like in that area. For example, men in Venice dress differently than men in Hollywood, Long Beach, Hermosa, Downtown LA etc. Look up Lounges, bars, clubs or whatever your into and see what they wear. Do the same in different big cities, after all trends tend to start there.

        [–]throwargie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        tech field

        This is your problem, dude. No women in tech field. Petrol exploration engineers are top alpha males, big, burly, masculine and earn shitloads of money, but they see a women once every 6 months. They don't fuck either.

        [–]Systral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You've already slept with twice the average.

        [–]GymMeJimmy 59 points60 points  (21 children)

        I noticed girls really appreciate when you cook for them, they usually offer to wash the dishes. Just putting in effort will give the ability to fuck these women to sleep.

        [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 73 points74 points  (13 children)

        Yep. Most men can’t cook, let alone well. Not only is it impressive, but it’s one of the single smartest and most rewarding skills you can have in regards to your own health and finances. Doesn’t hurt that it ups your attractiveness ten fold.

        [–]GymMeJimmy 11 points12 points  (12 children)

        What's a good recipe that you like to cook for females? I agree with you, many male coaches say taking care of your health and finances attracts women.

        [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 87 points88 points  (8 children)

        It depends. If it’s someone new, ask her dietary restrictions first. You don’t want to cook steak for a vegetarian. Assuming she’s not, go with steak.

        Buy two steaks, the thicker the better. I like filets, but strip steak and ribeye are fine if you don’t want to drop the money on the more expensive cuts.

        Preheat your oven to 200 degrees and put a skillet on your stove, crank it up to high heat. Rub the steaks, both sides, with a cut clove of garlic (you should see the juices on the garlic), salt, pepper. If you have some rosemary break it up awhile. Drop a giant knob of butter into the skillet when it’s hot. Put both steaks in, and make sure to turn on your vent because it’s going to smoke. You want about 3 minutes on each side.

        Lift it up a bit and make sure it’s dark but not burnt. While it is cooking, use a spoon to scoop up the melted butter and coat the top of the steaks. Once it looks done on one side, the way it would come out at a steak house, flip them over. Another 3 minutes to get the same slight crisp on the other side.

        After that, drop them both on an oven pan that you lined with tin foil for easy cleanup. Put another knob of butter right on top of each steak, and then put them in the oven for 30 minutes. Afterwards, take them out and rub the rosemary on them. Cut them up into strips and put each one on its own plate. Fill up two glasses with dry red wine, preferably merlot (don’t spend less than $14 or more than $25 on a bottle). Bonus points if you can dim your lights, light some candles (go with CedarWood scent), and play “Chill Out Radio” on Pandora. Enjoy the steaks, tell her she’s sexy, and have great sex afterwards.

        [–]BarryMcCaulkener 26 points27 points  (0 children)

        Fuck can you just live my life for me? Or at least sign me up for your motivational newsletter that has this exact kind of perfect but oddly specific advice?

        [–]TheLanternFlame 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Lol, this became a cooking thread immediately. Great recipe btw. Another tip for those who don't know how to cook steak, the muscle on your inner lower (palm side) thumb is the feeling you must get for medium rare.

        [–]BL4CK_CAT 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        Great recipe, but this point:

        and then put them in the oven for 30 minutes

        i'd recommend you get a simple thermometer to read the core temp. it's the only way you'll get a guaranteed perfect steak

        Also, you can make a killer gravy with the fond that has build up in the pan

        [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Yeah I would recommend getting one of the oven safe thermometers that you stick into the meat. You can set a temperature and it will beep when it hits that temp.

        [–]ENTPunisher 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        I did exactly this. I'm a recent grad, she was a little first year student. Her eyes got bigger and bigger watching me baste that ribeye. Could have easily closed if I wasn't such a choir boy.

        [–]omega_dawg93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        steam some broccoli or mash some potatoes to go with the steaks.

        [–]BitsAndBobs304 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        if you want something that can blow your mind and mouth (hehe) at every bite but is also sensual to eat and not "gross" oily manly-meat-burger, you can learn to cook risotto.
        to master it, though, is not for the faint of heart.
        two nice "simple" risotto are risotto alla milanese and risotto with mushrooms, or a bit more complex ingredient-wise is black rice with zucchini and shrimp, although it's a more "dry" risotto, so less sensual.
        upside is that regardless of what she likes to eat or can't eat, you can change the recipe to fit the ingredients (unless she can't eat rice)

        [–]Hjalmbere 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        For the culinary challenged: Get some fresh salad, buy some readymade pasta sauce, fry meatballs and mix in pasta sauce*. Cook some pasta. Light some candles and serve some really good wine. You’re already way ahead of the competition.

        *Make sure you dispose of the jar so she can’t tell you’ve been cheating. If she asks you for the ingredients just wink and tell her it’s a secret.

        [–]cliffhung 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        My goto for day to day meals for a while now has been a pokè bowl style rice dish with any combination of meat, beans, and fresh or stir fried veggies. As with many things, the ability to make good tasting food is just as important as the ability to work with confidence. Steaks are great date night food, but simply cooking from recipes enough to know how to improvise gives you a massive leg up in flexibility.

        This is especially important if you're in a LTR or seeing a girl repeatedly. Knowing a recipe gets you in the door, my personal favorite is tri tip steak. Knowing how to stir fry, steam or bake together something good from available ingredients is an attractive skill to have, in addition to being immensely useful to workout meal planning and fitness.

        [–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 12 points13 points  (2 children)

        My go-to second date is to cook my special chicken alfredo pasta recipe, never fails, they always end up in my bed.

        [–]Orral187 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        Pasta makes me bloated and feel unsexy x

        [–]KarmicPrism 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        You don't have to eat 5 plates you fatty! 😂 <3

        [–]universalabundance1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Somebody has been watching AMS ;)

        [–]StoneColdStevePossum 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        Hey, I’m not sure how you guys feel about women posting here. I admittedly follow this sub mostly for...entertainment. But I can assure you that this post is true. I’m active in the dating scene, and a dude who even kind of tries is a magical unicorn.

        Put in even just slightly more effort than JoeBob down the road and your chances of getting laid or finding a woman or whatever your goal is will massively increase.

        Picture it this way, I take an hour to get ready every day, I clean every day, I cook every day, and then I have JoeBob texting me to go to his cold sad apartment. That’s not what I want. I want someone who matches my effort.

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          [–]HannibalBacara 43 points44 points  (20 children)

          Good post man. I agree completely. I just graduated college and the state of guys my age is pitiful for the most part. Especially hygiene and wardrobe.

          I feel like people on this sub underestimate how much just doing the fucking basics raises your SMV.

          I see guys out at bars who have fingernails a full inch long, wearing fucking sports jerseys like the guys you mentioned in your post. Unless these guys are Adonis' or have 10/10 game there's just no way they're getting laid.

          I discovered TRP about a year ago and although I definitely wasn't a bum by any means, the small changes I made made me so much more appealing.

          • I started going to the barber every 2-3 weeks instead of every 6.

          • Revamped my wardrobe for around $500 bucks in order to dress like a well put-together man.

          • Plucking my eyebrows once a week.

          • Treating myself to a pedicure about once every 2 months. I know it sounds pretty gay but your feet feel amazing afterwards and they scrape off all the dead skin. The place I go to basically does a half pedicure half foot massage type routine. It's also an activity I do with my younger sister to bond a bit.

          • Cleaning my damn room. I'm back living at home for 6-12 months while I start working to save some money but when I was at school my room in the house I rented was impeccable. I HATE cleaning. But I forced myself to do it every day.

          • Decorating my room. All I did was get furniture and bed sheets that actually matched as well as hung some framed vintage movie posters on the wall. Got a rock lamp for some mood lighting and voila. My room was better than 99% of college guys.

          I'm saving this post so I can give it another read when I'm less tired but this was a very good article. I think once I get settled into my job and move out I'm gonna take your advice and take massage lessons. That's honestly genius.

          [–]pFlap 3 points4 points  (4 children)

          How does one go about plucking one's eyebrows without severely fucking it up? Do you do it yourself or get it professionally done?

          [–]HannibalBacara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I guess the one good thing about growing up in a household with two sisters near my age is that they taught me that kind of stuff.

          I don’t pluck mine in a feminine way though. If you’re inexperienced just start by plucking the “strays”.

          Look up YouTube tutorials too.

          [–]AssDefect20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Alpha M has a good youtube tutorial.

          [–]TheBadGoy 42 points43 points  (9 children)

          In my opinion it's better to promote a more competitive mentality than saying "You don't need to try that hard" simply because the sexual market will only get tougher in the future.

          I do agree that you should be fun, charismatic and have a strong frame. Usually charisma is what gets her in your bed.

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 53 points54 points  (3 children)

          I should be clear that I’m not advocating that you shouldn’t try hard. I think you should aim to excel in all things you do. My point is that the bar to do well is much lower than guys realize, to the point where simply the fact that you’re trying at all is often enough to impress women. Most men do next to nothing.

          [–]graceful_aggression 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I understand what you are saying. What LordOftheReptiles is saying is that, don't overestimate the competition. People sometimes are overly critical of themselves, and to avoid that, requires a reality check sometimes. Similar to let's say a guy earning $200K a year which may think to himself, in his field, with his performance, should be earning twice as much. He gets a broader reality check by knowing that 200K globally is already very high. It's so that you're not stuck in a negative mindset of "it's never enough", I think. Push yourself but be proud along the way.

          [–]Gamelova 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          Right, but the real issue is guys complain about their experience with women, become MGTOW, mysogynytic, bluepilled, -whatever, maybe ask for advice, but bottomline, they don't do anything about it.

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

          It is easier to complain about the results you aren't getting than it is to do something to fix it.

          [–]always_sad12 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Why and how do you think the SMP will become more competitive?

          [–]TheBadGoy 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          Have you seen women today? Instagram has fucked with their mind so much that they actually believe they are models. Average as fuck girls promoting products, being endorsed and tons of Dubai shitters offering them money. I'm truly amazed at the size of their egos.

          [–]Theinternetroll 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          This, in combination with Tinder.

          You take a girl that's a 5. Put her on Tinder and she quickly realizes every time she swipes right, it's a match.

          Does she consider the fact that it's because guys swipe right on every girl? Of course not.

          They use it to inflate their ego and the 5 now believes she is a 9.

          [–]88VILLI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          A lot of guys here are giving/given up because it seems impossible if you don’t have any direction. This post is helpful to those guys in the sense that it should provide some motivation because it’s in your hands and it’s really not that difficult.

          It should also help guys in monk mode who are stuck reading theory after theory to become a dating god and skipping over the simple steps mentioned in the post. I think we are missing out on this point of view in TRP, judging by askTRP as OP mentioned. It’s easy to get caught in the bubble of ‘do this, do that, be an alpha, don’t be a beta’. Which is great, don’t be a pushover, but it’s not going to help if it’s the only thing someone thinks is important.

          [–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Boston is a great city to be a single guy, lots of women doing graduate studies and have a certain bar you have to meet, which most loser guys in the city don't meet, which means feasting for the rest of us.

          [–]tempolaca 13 points14 points  (6 children)

          I'm about 5'8 and I hate that a dumb asshole that does absolutely nothing with his life but he's 6'3 bascially is instant 10%, and I have to bust my ass only to scratch 20%. Can't imagine how's for the 5'5 guys out there.

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

          Simply being 6'3" doesn't put you in the top 10% of guys. Top percent of height, sure, but there are plenty of tall, goofy, lanky guys out there not getting laid because they're awkward. There's also short guys who pull chicks left and right. My brother is about 5'6" and has spent most of his life dating almost anyone he wants, because of the way he carries himself and his social status.

          [–]Supremedis 16 points17 points  (0 children)

          Tell me more about his social status.

          [–]expansion101 12 points13 points  (1 child)

          • There's 330 million people in America.
          • 165 million are male.
          • Let's assume 124 million of them are adults.
          • 20% of that is almost 25 million.
          • Consider how many men are fat, lazy, too old, etc. which can't even compete
          • You have to fill one spot in 25 million; many men aren't even trying to.

          [–]busyfit321 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          When one man can service very, very many women, enough are trying to make the market place quite competitive.

          [–]VegasRaider89 10 points11 points  (3 children)

          Its permanent hard mode here in Vegas. All the pretty girls become strippers, call girls, whores, looking for the next sugar daddy. The others aren't worth to look at. In 10 years I've only met one really pretty girl who was worth anything, she was an assistant manager to a restaurant, smart as fuck too. Amazing personality. She actually had personality. Every pretty girl I meet here are just fucking stupid. The stupidity is the most unattractive thing for me. And they never have personality more than a hardwood door.

          I started following TRP in 2014 and had great success. But it's a curse too. Being to smart, knowing how women work. I was never able to shake that instinct of settling down with the perfect girl and having a family in the back of my mind.

          I always lose interest in a girl after the first fuck date. Haven't met a single one that was interesting more than just being pretty. Except for that one fucking girl. I'm still hung up on. Its ridiculous. I met the perfect girl, and no girl has been able to satisfy me since. I didnt even fuck her, it was her personality.

          I keep looking at myself, reminding myself of everything I learned from TRP. I learned about "the one itis" years ago, but it still happened.

          The problem was I never met a girl I actually got along with or liked before, they're stupidity would eventually get to me and I would stop texting them back.

          I was born here In Vegas and dont know any other city. I have a great career right now as an HVAC engineer making great money. And I'm alone in my nice house. This town turns girls out. I hate it but cant really leave.

          Me:

          5’9”

          29 years old

          180lbs, work out every day

          $72k a year

          Day Walker with a tan

          Paying off my house

          Tinder, I dont use it here, all literal prostitutes on it. Or ugly girls

          Work 60 hours a week like a boss, cause I'm the boss.

          Hobbies (Building race cars, motorcycles, drag racing, camping, road trips, BBQing, grilling, I cook better than most women in the kitchen.

          [–]rigbed 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          It’s Vegas what do you expect. You can’t knock hot women for using their looks as their income. And personality doesn’t make more money if you keep quiet.

          Pay off your house and use the hookers on a regular basis. Besides, they probably are better off than most women in college debt.

          [–]trollreign 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Charisma needs to be mentioned here. It's a skill that lets you mingle with men and charm women. Charisma will let you advertise yourself and "radiate" the value that you were born with or have developed (i.e. salary, height, handsomeness, muscles, career, hobbies, etc).

          We men on this sub avoid the expression "charisma" like the bubonic plague. I suspect the reason for this is that there still isn't an alchemical formula for developing it. I still don't see any quality advice on how to improve charisma, and frankly I'm not convinced that it's even possible. The very fact that this thought process leads to what is basically a black pill conclusion, is probably the reason why the topic is rarely brought up.

          [–]conflagratorX 20 points21 points  (27 children)

          Do you really think that things like:

          1. Salary

          2. Clean apartment

          3. Furniture

          4. Career

          allows you to attract women on Tinder?

          [–]422456 57 points58 points  (3 children)

          These things you listed can be linked into the interior confidence that is then projected into the the outside world. By internally mastering yourself and your life, you can then pay more attention to the outside world. You will get nowhere in the outside world if your inside world is a mess.

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

          This, exactly. What does a woman see when she walks into an apartment that is a mess and looks like shit? A guy who is a mess. Someone who doesn't put effort into little things that are easily doable is a guy who doesn't take bigger things seriously.

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 14 points15 points  (5 children)

          No, I don't think a clean apartment and nice furniture make you more attractive on Tinder. They make you more attractive when a woman walks into your apartment. Good pictures that show you doing things, being social, and are taken with a good camera make you attract more women on Tinder. Women on Tinder don't know how much money I make. They can tell I do well financially when they see my place, but at that point it is sort of irrelevant because I have already done and said other things that made them want to come over in the first place.

          [–]CMajorThe3rd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I dont have anything to contribute other than smiling at another man who has found the same things as I in life are effective at attracting women.

          This is the kind of content I like to see here, simple, effective and undeniable.

          On with ya bad self, go make some pasta for some unsuspecting HB8 :)

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (14 children)

          lol good point. also $130k yearly is a shitload of money for like 90% of the usa population. thats simply not attainable for everybody, even if they try super hard and do the right things, only a small % of people can make over $100k.

          $130k puts you in like the TOP 10%...

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 18 points19 points  (9 children)

          I made smart investments and took my career seriously when I was in my 20's. When I was 30, I was offered a six figure salary after gaining tech skills that are marketable. I was a philosophy major in college with a C average. My first job after college was pushing shopping carts at Costco. Everything that got me to where I am today are attainable online (i.e. learning how to program) for very little money. Udemy offers courses for $20 that teach you how to program.

          [–]endertheend 1 point2 points  (8 children)

          Which Udemy courses would you recommend?

          [–]Psychocist 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          I taught myself programming 8 years back and have been in full-stack web development for almost a decade (mostly contracting, but also full-time for 3 years). The answer entirely depends on your preferences. Web development: JavaScript. Game development: C++. Enterprise: Java or C#. Mobile apps: Swift.

          It is a vast industry and every single thread leads onto another thread which turns into a 2-year rabbit-hole of technology. Labyrinthine is a good word for it.

          Try Udemy course "Learn Programming with Python in 100 Steps". Less ceremony than languages such as Java/C#/C++ and will allow you to quickly focus on learning some fundamentals instead of worrying about every little detail (i.e. static typing).

          [–]endertheend 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Thanks for the tip, I'll also take the python course.

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          I would look into a full-stack course. This teaches you both front-end and back-end development. Ruby on Rails is pretty common and marketable for back-end development, while Javascript is king for the front. An ideal course would consist of something like Ruby, Rails, Javascript, React, and some HTML/CSS to fill it out. React seems to be the hot thing right now (a Javascript framework) and there are plenty of jobs where all you do is code on React.

          [–]geo_gan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          To be honest it totally pisses me off that you basically have no formal computer based education - it appears you just learned stuff yourself in some basic courses - and you now have $140k salary doing exactly what I do. I have a fucking degree in computer science from a main university, that took five years, and another 20 years full time programming after that in the very things you mention (AJAX,JS,HTML/CSS/SQL) and I am not even earning HALF your salary. Also in my fucking POS country, they tax you basically 52% of everything you earn after an extremely low amount earned (less than 30k) so eg. if you earn 70k, then you only actually take home about 40k a year after tax. I am totally broke. I have no money or savings. I am as poor now as I was 20 years ago. I work 7 hours a day for last 20 years. I basically just pay mortgage/bills/loans/maintenance and have 400 a month (if I'm lucky) left to live on to buy food for myself and gas/petrol for car. Usually when I try and do anything, like go out or any form of entertainment, it means I run out of money and end up borrowing from next month. One of the main reasons I have not gone near women for years - can't afford to and have nothing to offer them. You young Americans really don't know how hard it is in the real world.

          [–]endertheend 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Thanks for that, Ill work on this.

          Also, is it possible to go totally location independent with programming?

          That is pretty much my main goal.

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          It is, but it is very difficult. You basically have to build a client base on your own and convince people to pay you for work. If you can get to that point, it is worth it, but I wouldn't recommend it to start. Work for a company for a few years and get experience, then try your own thing slowly.

          [–]Torabor64 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          It's not difficult to be top 10% in finances.

          Consider the amount of people unemployed, retired, or less than 25.

          [–]busyfit321 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yes but again, it's not the bottom 80% (or even 90 depending on your location) we here are competing with, nor do we want the 3s and 4s they are maybe fucking. There's more to this than NOT being a worthless slob.

          [–]CMajorThe3rd 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          You have no idea, get your shit sorted and Tinder is more of an À la cart experience.

          [–]Psychocist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Even I've experienced this and I have a pretty poor profile with one good pic. One of the reasons I don't care any more is because I know those platforms are ready and waiting when I'm ready to put effort into chicks again. Great for abundance.

          [–]3whatsthisgarg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Why am I talking about this? Because everything I just listed, aside from height, is completely obtainable for the average guy and virtually none of it is luck, genetics, or out of reach.

          I have made this exact same point many times (in some posts I deleted for doxxing concerns, I can see you don't care about that, whatever).

           

          This is a most excellent post, in many ways, and I really hoped it signaled the transition from the utter shit of summer of 2018 to the more better posts, but the commentary has not borne that out. Too bad.

          Well, I hope you post more. Good writing from your good life.

          Also, Boston is a great place. I went there a long time ago with my Jewish girlfriend to visit her cousins. It was hilarious: all Jewish college girls were dating all Irish college dropouts (me included). Good times were had in the city and on the Cape and islands.

          [–]1atticusfinch1973 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Thanks for referencing what I wrote and it's a perfect follow up example to exactly what you stated about my article - that it isn't as hard as you think to be in the top 20%.

          And I completely agree with your field report and have had the same experience, which is why I am constantly blown away at the amount of idiots who can't get laid off of things like Tinder. Simple things like having a clean place, inviting a girl to something fun (instead of just "come over and fuck") and being able to cook are just that - simple - but so many men can't seem to put in the minimal effort.

          Although the other side of that is that those guys are making it way easier for me, so they can stay the way they are.

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I appreciate that. I think your post gave some good perspectives, and I wanted to make sure that people got the right takeaway from it. It really isn't as difficult as people think it is to have a successful dating life.

          [–]male_specimen 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          I'm 42, and at my age it's amazing how few men take good care of their bodies. I started working out 4 years ago, and I now look pretty decent - especially compared to the men my age around me, who usually have large pot bellies/ "dad bods". This immediately puts me in the top 20%, looks-wise, and women certainly notice this.

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I think you notice this more as you get older. Guys who are lazy in their 20's generally stay that way as they age, and it catches up to you. You can live an inactive lifestyle when you're young and still stay in decent shape, but eventually you'll start to put on weight. The dad bod stereotype exists for a reason.

          [–]mentalfloss3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          I can't believe top males like this have time to consistently will this sub with fucking walls of text every day lol

          [–]OfficialHavik 7 points8 points  (3 children)

          If everyone looks-maxed and reached their maximum potential, it wouldn't really matter. The naturally taller, bigger framed, better looking, etc. guys would still win out. No matter how hard you work, if your competition works just as hard but is more talented, you don't stand a chance. You see it in sports everyday.

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          Sports are an extreme. What you're saying is hypothetical. It's the assumption that everyone who has a genetic advantage will work as hard as you do. They're not. Some are, sure, but not all.

          [–]Cgbgjr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          In this area 95% of the tall and even handsome guys slump and slouch, have big bellies and dad bods, lose their tempers whenever things don't go their way, and have no clue how to talk to women. No frame, no game, bad bodies.

          [–]Systral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Yeah, what I got from this is that OP is above average attractive as well as rather wealthy.

          [–]trpfaust 2 points3 points  (7 children)

          I’ve got a job opportunity in Boston, hear it’s pretty good in terms of gender ratio etc. Worth the move out there?

          [–]Freedom__Fighter 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          If you don’t mind having all 4 seasons... extreme winter and extreme summer.... COL is very high here... if you make under 75k things are really tight... i actually think a lot of women here are overweight and a bit basic, but there certainly gems out here. It’s EXTREMELY liberal here, so be really mindful of how much you expose yourself... you’re easily one tranny joke away from pounding your own sausage the night of a date... LOL

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          Yes, it is. If you don't mind high rent prices.

          [–]trpfaust 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          I’m from a high cost of living place already so it won’t be a huge change of pace. Mind if I ask what you pay for your place?

          [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          $2250 a month for a 750 square foot one bedroom.

          [–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Is it that high because you're in a great area?

          [–]ebaymasochist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          FUCK YEAH. Everything I thought while reading responses to that other post, with real world examples..

          I would buy you a beer right now if I weren't currently in the bottom 10 percentile of beer money!

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          [–]kittenssavedmylife 39 points40 points  (8 children)

          Fucking lift and make more money dude. Then you literally won't give a shit. Lol

          You're acting like your happiness literally depends on your getting laid. There's so much more to life lol. Women are easy. Everything else is hard.

          [–]1dongpal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          If conditions are different then results may vary, that means that statements like "Women are easy. Everything else is hard." are bullshit

          [–]vverons 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          women are easy

          This is what I hear constantly from trp but it’s not true. The amount of self development required to even be in consideration means you have to be better than 80% of males. This is before you meet them and game them which is something that takes years and years to get decent at.

          You're acting like your happiness literally depends on your getting laid.

          There are some people in life that are very successful and healthy yet the only thing they cannot acquire is a women. So making 100+, driving nice cars, career, etc. is there but the women are not.

          [–]busyfit321 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Some people here love to downplay the importance of getting laid for a male. It's like money. People who have a lot of it are the first to say it isn't important, the ones barely scraping by know the value. There's a biological imperative to fucking women, even if it isn't the most important thing. Why anyone wants to act differently on this sub of all places is retarded.

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            [–]ahab_dies 14 points15 points  (1 child)

            Have you actually tried lifting though? I'm willing to bet you don't know actually know whether or not it will help you because you haven't even tried.

            I knew an Asian guy with terrible acne who was a shortie. I'd guess he probably has a small dick, too. I didn't see him for 5 years and when I finally did see him again he had become jacked, like seriously ripped and muscular. He still had some acne but he had styled himself really well and had obviously been practicing some PUA techniques because he had a lot of women on tap and I'd see him get phone numbers in daylight cold approaches.

            He told me it all started when he began lifting. It gave him a great body and then the confidence to begin working on his game. When I met him again he was far ahead of the vast majority of men I knew.

            Try it before you knock it, brother. Losers aren't the ones who fail, they're the ones who never try.

            [–]mchief101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Well said. I also started lifting again after running for 7 months to purposely get skinny for a girl. I was blue pill as fuck and the chick dumped me in July. My lesson learned is to never get attached to a woman again, that shit made me feel so bad. Lifting is life.

            [–]Broder45 13 points14 points  (0 children)

            “Disregard females. Acquire aesthetics.” - Zyzz

            The man that has more women than all man-kind combined.

            Don’t look at the top % to compare yourself. Look at the mirror and compare to yourself yesterday.

            [–]SasquatchMcKraken 4 points5 points  (5 children)

            You're looking at this too superficially. Life is not a reality TV show set in Miami Beach. A lot of dudes on this sub intuitively think women are the mirror image of men and operate on a "hot-or-not" basis. That's not how it works, despite the swipe-left/right culture further distorting reality. Obviously winning the genetic lottery helps, particularly the younger you are. But how you make a woman feel is the decisive factor. First impressions are overrated in the SMP (again, in contrast to what hookup apps might have you believe).

            Edit: and you're not competing with the top 20%. There's not a global or even national market for pussy and dick. You're competing with dudes she knows/is around. It's all local, hence the stress on social circles. No need to compare yourself to some 6'2" Adonis 4 states away.

            [–]celincelin 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            That's not how it works, despite the swipe-left/right culture further distorting reality.

            Aha, and that culture obviously came from Mars and has nothing to do with our reality.

            [–]SasquatchMcKraken 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            Certain aspects of human nature can be amplified but that doesn't make it realistic. That's like arguing that a caricature drawing is as true-to-life as a photograph.

            [–]celincelin 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            Is grocery shopping a caricature of hunting-gathering, then?

            [–]conflagratorX 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Some men cant reach top 20%, me for exemple: 5'6 height, under 5 inches dick, unattractive face, balding rapidly, average eu salary, above average body.

            Salary has nothing to do with attraction unless you are some millionaire. Attractive/unattractive face has.

            [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            These can be fixed or circumvented. Height doesn't matter as much as guys think, it will just make online dating more difficult (which shouldn't be your primary focus anyway). Impress them in person instead. If you're balding, shave your head, grow a beard, and wear clothes that match that style. Get some tattoos if that fits. If you have a small dick, learn how to eat a girl out, read She Comes First and Sex God Method, and getting her to come back won't be an issue. At one point I had a woman offer to do my laundry in exchange for oral. Average body is something I shouldn't have to explain how to fix. If you have a low salary then learn skills that net you a higher one. "Repackaged bluepill" would be listening to your platonic female friends tell you that you're a really nice guy and that eventually a woman will see that. She won't, unless you change.

            [–]geecheemane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Well written and a solid perspective. Gonna go read the other post you mentioned. Thanks.

            [–]Schmoarndi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Good job on writing this post!

            [–]Lukap295 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            What is the name of Peterson's book?

            [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I know blue collar guys who have been to prison that get better quality and quantity of pussy than most successful guys (Career, Hobbies, Social life)

            The real difference is not being a pussy pedestal polisher and having muscles.

            The rest is up to you. Nothing wrong with having a clean apartment (Mine is spotless) but it wont get any bitchs panties wet

            As far as raising SMV, stick to Lifting and establishing a DGAF attitude and the rest you do for you

            [–]SensualSeduction01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Exactly. It’s funny to me how op concludes that it was his fucking clean apartment that played a major part in getting him laid.

            [–]IrishGoodbye4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This is great. Good shit OP.

            [–]lean_cuisine2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Ask a woman...you are spot on and can i get your number?

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            "If you can’t take the time to do basic human chores, why would quality women want to fuck you?"

            You seem confused. Quality women your age have husband and children and don't go around booty calling their fuck buddies. And even then the quality of most of them is questionable at best.

            Also, fuck buddies aren't your mother. It pretty much doesn't matter to them if you cleaned your room. If a fuck buddy comments positively about this it should give you an indication about the other guys she fucks. I really hope for yourself you double-rubbered up.

            "The doctor and I talked about our experiences on Tinder for a bit..."

            Did she go alle Freudian on you, lol? She's a tinder girl for fuck's sake and so she tries to downplay the fact that she's exclusively in for the good dicking she gets from there. Look at what they do not what they say!

            And read the sidebar, you need it.

            [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            In major cities, there are plenty of single women my age and even more so younger. I generally meet/date girls 3-6 youngers than me, but have met some quality women around my age as well. I know the assumption here is always that they're "post wall" women who are looking to tie a guy down and all that. Some women don't want kids and marriage, and for some reason people here don't seem to understand that. I know women who focus on their career first and don't want to get married, although admittedly it is less common. But they exist.

            [–]JustinDell990 1 point2 points  (5 children)

            You have sex with chicks, good for you I guess. What do they look like? Do they look like Taylor Swift? Bella Throne? Alice Eve? Megan Fox? Quality IMO is always more important than quantity. Yeah I could probably easily fuck some fat, 30 year old single mother. But I don't want to and knowing I can doesn't do anything for my confidence.

            Fact of the matter is only the absolute cream of the crop get the best women. The top 0.1 percent. The pro athletes, the A list actors, the rock stars, the male models, billionaires etc. These guys are your competition. Good fucking luck.

            [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

            Why would I be fucking Taylor Swift? I don't care that I'm not fucking the same women as professional athletes and actors. That's a fucking dumb comparison. The women I'm sleeping with aren't obese single mothers either, I just don't care that they're not perfect 10's. They're attractive and cool people, and I'm fine with that, because no one on this sub and less than 0.1% of the male population is regularly fucking the type of women you're talking about. So no, they aren't your competition.

            [–]the_lolboat 0 points1 point  (13 children)

            you're 5'11

            where is your manlet equivelent?

            [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 4 points5 points  (12 children)

            Not sure what you're asking tbh.

            [–]Broder45 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            OP. Where’d you go for the live band? Somerville? This is a scene I’m interested in getting into.

            [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Cambridge, but Somerville has similar scenes as well. Somerville is just a little too grungy/hipster for my tastes.

            [–]zncmckskaowidixjsjai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            In what do you invest OP ?, I am very curious about your investments, id you don’t want to tell here shoot pe a PM, thanks.

            [–]SOwED 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Reading only the title, that depends entirely on who's reading. David Beckham probably has the bottom 99% as his competition, while a low iq nearly down syndrome midget has the bottom 1% as his competition.

            [–]fuzzy_bunnyx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            While OP gives solid advice, we have to keep in mind that these women are not complaining about bottom 80%. They mostly match top 20% guys anyway. So they are basically complaining that guys with too many options to care don't put in much effort.

            [–]throwawaydegar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I agree with everything you say. Your experience sounds exactly like what i wrote about when I posted here.

            Great work. I say that not just because I agree it and it resonates with me but because I think you phrase just how easy it can be really well.

            [–]Xexitar 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            Agree with you. Apart from stating that 130k is "easily obtainable"... Maybe where you live but the equivalent £70k salary in the UK is the stuff of fucking legends.

            [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Boston is a fairly large tech city, so high salary jobs are common if you know how to program. I can't speak for other cities though, and I don't know what the job market is like in EU in regards to that.

            [–]NameUser18 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Lmao I know right. Always takes me a second when I see Americans on here saying they earn $100 000 or something and I have to remember they pretty much use Monopoly money at this point.

            [–]Xexitar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            You're considered "well off" in the UK if you earn like £30k.

            [–]MojoManUltra 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I need help approaching and being sexual with women any tips, advice?

            I’m still a Virgin at 26, and I want this monkey off my back. Been doing noFap and I’m fucking hungry.

            [–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Yeah, but it's just that the bottom 80% are not your competition. It's the top 20%.

            [–]Wty713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Sexy Sally always ends up betafying me before I can fuck her. Product of high smv but low self confidence

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Nice post man. Wish I had enough money to live in Boston. Still looking for a job post grad. I live in MA.. what’s the best areas to find an apartment in the city ?

            [–]Melman195 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            if you're okay living on the outskirts of town, winter hill isn't bad. It's still pretty gritty but Assembly Square is right there. Southie is too expensive and over-hyped. I'd also recommend the better parts of Dorchester too. You can find a 4 bed 1 bath for like 650 a month there if you're okay splitting a bathroom between 4 people...

            [–]Melman195 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            haha I live in Cambridge and oh my you are spot on about the cambridge Hipster. Some of them are such douche-nozels and they are such betas. Just go to Lamplighter on any given Friday night and you will find plenty.

            I figure most of these guys are orbiters for the women they hang around.

            [–]Hamilton950B 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I used to live in Somerville and cracked up at your descriptions of Sports Guy and Cambridge Guy. It's so true. You write very well.

            [–]oytrp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Nice FR, but I don't think most people would find it encouraging.

            "all you gotta do is live in a major city, have your own place, be in good shape and make 130k".

            [–]ChrimsonChin988 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Yes the bottom 80% is indeed quite pathetic. However, if you want to live the “baller” lifestyle you’re not competing with the bottom 80% but with the top 1%. Competition is no joke there.

            If all you want is to be ahead of the bottom 80%, your gf will maybe be around a HB7, you’ll never drive a nice car or live in detached house in a decent neighbourhood.

            Imo, if you’re not aiming to be in at least the top 5% you’re not even playing this game seriously assuming you’re at least somewhat intelligent etc.

            [–]theStoicist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            "Are you really going to spend your time sitting around, breaking down statistical benchmarks to try to calculate the odds of her fucking a richer guy?" HAHAHAHHA, I legit laughed out loud when I read this. The picture of a guy with a calculator muttering to himself as he did the calculations popped into my head. Great post mate!

            [–]tonikroosofficial 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            "When she got there, she admitted she had messaged a few guys but seeing the band sounded like fun. You know why? Because the other guys were sitting at their fucking apartment and invited her to come straight there. They weren’t doing ANYTHING interesting. " - If ANY of those guys were Chads, she would have chosen him over you. This is the reality.

            [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            This sort of thing just doesn’t cross my mind and you guys obsess over it. She messaged ME. I invited her to come out and she did. I invited her to come back to my place and she did. I made a move and she went with it.

            Why do I care that some better looking guy out there exists, and she could have hypothetically went to his place instead? There’s always someone better. So the fuck what? Right now, she chose me and wants to fuck me. At some point she won’t want to anymore. I don’t care. Just make things happen and enjoy them when they do instead of constantly thinking about god damn Chad.

            [–]Big_Daddy_PDX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Solid perspective. I agree that staying out of the bottom 80% makes most of this easy. I don’t need to run faster than a bear; I just need to run faster than the others.

            [–]Systral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Not to discredit your sexual achievement but it sounds like you have an above average attractive face to begin with and your overall stats make it pretty easy to get laid.

            [–]dannnnyyyyyyy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The new blade runner was boringggggg

            [–]BuffaloWang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            And to OP’s larger point, being cognizant and deliberate in, and of, your actions/words/persona is simpler and less time consuming than attempting to do so for other people’s.

            [–]1Here4Bach 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Okay good I was worried that you were putting yourself down.

            [–]simplisticallysimple 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            Not to sound arrogant, but as a guy with more experience than you (it's obvious based on your field report), I'd like to say don't diss the guys who invite girls over to their place right away. There are guys out there who do this with crazy consistency and who pull a lot more than you do just doing that.

            You succeeded despite taking them out on dates. Not because of.

            [–]LordOfTheReptiles[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            I agree, there are guys who absolutely do this. To each his own. That doesn't mean all women want that, and it definitely does not mean that all man can actually pull it off. If you're a good looking guy, great body, then yeah it isn't difficult. There are far more guys who look like shit, have horrible photos, and go straight for the "you trying to fuck?" line which turns a lot of women off.

            [–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I want to emphasize that the vast majority of guys you are up against offer so little in terms of competition that it is not something you should spend any reasonable amount of time thinking about.

            then why do i feel like i'll never make it?

            I've created this fallacy in my head that, it's Just always out of reach. maybe it was right infront of me all along and i just neede to reach out and grab it.

            [–]5-methoxy-NN-DMT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            gets called pathetic

            Thanks TRP

            [–]RodGronaArSkit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I slept with 3 women between Friday and Sunday.

            And 0 of them was wife material.

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