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The women who denied you will come to resent you when you surpass them in the SMP. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by laylowwww

Quick background:

29 years old, workout often, have a good paying job in a desirable city and some cool hobbies like backpacking/hiking, writing and traveling.

I never had a problem getting laid in the past, but I would throw myself in the orbiter category too often with girls that rejected me. I've been reading on here for several years after a breakup with my ONEITIS. I've learned and applied a lot since that time.

The same girls that rejected me 4 years ago and were happy to maintain a casual relationship now carry resent for me as I'm established and have improved myself tremendously in the last several years. I ghosted many of them, but the ones that would reach out could pickup the change in my tone and the way I carry myself. Most of these women are crashing into the wall and can sense the serious decline in their value as mine has risen drastically. I'm talking Me vs. Them at age 24 and Me vs. Them now.

Most of you are familiar with the age old saying: "Men age like wine, women age like milk." This is seriously true and as you come up in age, you'll see it first hand.

The advice I have is simple; Put yourself first, LIFT, grooming is a priority, read voraciously and create the life you want. Put positive thoughts into action and tune out the noise. Your vision needs to be greater than your thirst for women and your need for validation.

Your validation will come when you achieve something worth a shit, not from a one night stand or otherwise.

Cheers gents, keep working hard.


[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 369 points370 points  (79 children)

I'd add the caveat that this resentment will mostly come from girls you orbited. Girls that knew you with low smv but you didn't orbit, will tend to be thrilled that they have broken ice with a high smv man. They never had you as their puppy so they don't mind seeing you as a wolf.

[–]Dead_Art 162 points163 points  (61 children)

Yeah those women treated you badly and they know it, they resent the fact that they failed to see potential in you.

[–]2soccerbum312 295 points296 points  (32 children)

Women don't understand potential

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 149 points150 points  (11 children)

Exactly this. Women are not long-term abstract thinkers.

Mods, a point for this man.

[–]Modredpillschool 33 points34 points  (0 children)

100% agree. Women live in the present. That is the basis of Briffault's law.

[–]suxxos 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Lots of guys who have "potential" become complete losers.

[–]trpraducu 38 points39 points  (4 children)

No, not really.
Potential means: maybe the guy is a bit skinny but has good height, bone structure, he comes from a poor family but is serious about his education and so on.
That's actual potential anybody with common sense sees a 1.000.000 miles away.
"Potential" in womanese means "he's cute & witty, he has a bike and plays in a band and he smokes pot and drinks & drives but he's soooo smart the police can't catch him, he has great potential".

[–]CanuckinFL 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I doubt even that it’s that logical, nor that much about the guy. It’s about feelz and that’s moment to moment, man. You give them too much credit.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. If you can make a woman feel the "burn" of chemistry she'll love you for it.

[–]2soccerbum312 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh I agree people do waste their potential, but that doesn't mean they see what they want to see

[–]ianpac 31 points32 points  (1 child)

I would say it is more buyer's regret. The dilemma for young women is to pick the male with the greatest utility but that is hard to do becasue suitors are projecting a false image not their true selves. This is why women insist men be honest. Women kick themselves when they pick a loser and realize they ignored a winner who is now no longer interested in orbiting them.

[–]RockhoundFIN 12 points13 points  (0 children)

A good question to ask here is why the fuck would any self-respecting person be honest with someone who is gaslighting them? Yeah, women love honesty while giving none of it themselves. Lying is a BP trait, yet respecting one's own privacy is just common sense. No point projecting a false image, it will crumble eventually anyway. No one other than you has walked a centimeter in your shoes and is thus utterly incapable of judging your life. Except yourself. Women love doing the judging yet hate when they're judged.

[–]suxxos 10 points11 points  (14 children)

He was uninteresting, so he wasn't fanciable, now he is a different person, so he became popular, how is it women's fault? If you met a chick who is obese and has bad hygiene and choose to completely ignore her, then after 5 years meet her again and find out she is slim as a model and dresses and grooms like a princess, will you also feel guilty for not having seen her potential? I don't think so.

[–]Soulofbuddha 8 points9 points  (13 children)

thats not an equal comparison. Dont try to justify womens attraction to material needs with mens attaction to physical beauty.

physical beauty is part of who you are, and signals good genes, and women are quite picky with this as well when it comes to which guys they date unless the guy is super rich/famous.

not dating someone because they arent wealthy and because you think you have better options (even though those options only want them for sex, not relationships) is very superficial and materialistic and those women dont deserve to be happy.

[–]mydogfartzwithz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Honestly they resent that Op didnt get with them since theyre so used o being seen as the prize. Its really sad what lengths females go to to chain up their dogs.

[–]xrorox_rp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They resent him only because they hamster away reality.

He reminds her of reality, she feels bad, so she looks for the closer man to blame.

[–]Awes0meApple 10 points11 points  (13 children)

so whats the reaction of the girls who weren't orbited? will their perspective change? can you try to game them again? I'm in a similar situation.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 9 points10 points  (1 child)

What I mean by not being orbited is basically that you hung out in a similar circles but never really interacted. You knew each other existed but never had any meaningful interaction.

I can think of two girls off the top of my head that reacted positively when they saw me after I had increased my smv by losing weight. They had both seen me in high school when I was a football lineman and had a lot of fat on me. Then in our early 20s they saw me when I lost all of it. They came up and started chatting me up, saying how good I looked, touching me and what not. One I really regret not capitalizing on but I was pretty blue at the time.

Obviously, if there is a long period between when they saw you at a lower smv and when you are peaking the effect will be strongest. If they recognize you they will give you some IOIs and it should be easy. If not then your SMV might still be too low.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (10 children)

A girl who didn’t appeal to you when you had low SMV... and now you want to game them now that you have more options and a higher SMV?

I mean yea you can probably game them pretty easily, but why would you want to?

[–]mauriciogs96 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Maybe because he can? I would do it too, think it like winning easy money with little effort just to have pocket money, just for the sake of being ambitious

[–]Awes0meApple 7 points8 points  (4 children)

just because i didn't orbit her doesn't mean that she didn't appeal to me. i'm asking because i wanna know if it's a waste of time or not.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No it’s not a waste of time. Girls from your past will be attracted to the fact that you improved yourself and should be relatively easy to game

[–]BewareTheOldMan 217 points218 points  (11 children)

...well - these same women had their chance at you four to five years earlier. They went in another direction and now trying to "circle back" to the men they placed in the beta-orbiter/backup category.

The newest development in the dating and marriage dance is that women are realizing their former beta-orbiters are "unavailable" now that they're all of a sudden ready for a Good Man/Nice Guy.

The Nice Guys are in revolt. They have to face their reality – just as men had to face beta-orbiter status years earlier.

It’s only when women no longer have the advantage of their former beauty, youth, and fertility that men are being "unfair."

It’s ironic.

[–]Robx9001 257 points258 points  (7 children)

If you can't handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 93 points94 points  (0 children)

Lol way to flip the feminist mantra.

[–]zevfern 40 points41 points  (0 children)

I don't know why people don't recognize that this saying is a double edged sword.

[–]nofilmynofucky 29 points30 points  (0 children)

If you didnt want me at your best I don't want you at your worst

[–]Zack_all_Trades 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Haha I'm laughing way too hard at that, well placed!

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 54 points55 points  (2 children)

Yup, all the nice guys that were just backup husbands for these women after fucking hundreds of dudes in their 20s and then bitching about those dudes to said nice guy, are finally waking up and realizing they don't want some washed up old hag who had a different dudes blowing his load inside her each night.

[–][deleted] 125 points126 points  (23 children)

Mike Jones has a good song about this “Back Then”

“Back then hoes didn't want me, now I'm hot hoes all on me" ... “They used to love to me diss me, now they rush to hug and kiss me now They tellin' all they friends when I leave how they miss me now”

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 35 points36 points  (1 child)

lmao was literally about to post that

[–]mwait 19 points20 points  (1 child)

You forgot to repeat each of those lines 4 times.

[–]tr0n_cat 9 points10 points  (9 children)

This is one of the most RP songs out there.

[–]JamzeNeu 24 points25 points  (8 children)

almost every black rapper is deeply redpilled.

[–]thehillah 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Probably because they reach their "peak" a lot faster than the average male so they're usaully the ones to realize "bitches ain't shit" much faster as well.

[–]Soulofbuddha 3 points4 points  (0 children)

yeah, its because most of these black rappers didnt get any attention from women at all before they gained fame and wealth. As you notice most of these black rappers are quite ugly and physically unattractive according to women, and coming from the hood means they lack socioeconomic status and potential as well, most of those who live in the hood and try to be gangsters or rappers fail. Being a badboy gangster on its own really doesnt make women interested in you unless they are also stuck in that circle and same environment as them.

[–]JamzeNeu 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Interesting. This is a debatable topic.

[–]sdce1231yt 18 points19 points  (1 child)

The guy has a good point. Lots of Black rappers grew up in very tough and terrible conditions. Pretty much poor and the likelihood of success wasn't good for them, due to all the drugs and violence around them. Growing up in homes where many times, the father isn't around.

They saw how women treated them before "they made it." Then, they make some albums that become successful and they are making more money than they ever thought possible. What ends up happening is those women that ignored them are now going after them. That's why they know how women are and why they say "bitches ain't shit." They have seen both sides in a pretty quick span of time, and in many cases overnight.

[–]Bafa94 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I think some of it is black culture in general. My mum has been drumming shit into me for as long as I could remember that years later I've seen posted on here as red pill concepts.

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    [–][deleted] 172 points173 points  (28 children)

    It’s simple.

    Men really start to hit their stride at 28-32 in terms of value, and can appreciate from there even.

    Women tend to depreciate in terms of looks from that point.

    Any woman that depended too greatly on her looks in her twenties is bound to have a little bitterness in her when she is older.

    [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 56 points57 points  (15 children)

    Only if she didn't successfully enchant an alpha during her peak beauty years and sink her claws in him. Those women fade in beauty more at ease, as long as he stays alpha.

    [–]marplaneit 76 points77 points  (8 children)

    The thing is, most girls who are above average looking, below 25 yo won't commit to nothing serious, and guys who are succesful and are pass age 28 won't commit to a girl unless she is a unicorn. What I am seeing now is a lot of bitter woman in their late 20's unable to lock down any quality guy, while these guys are having the party of their life. I have a loot of older cousins and this is the dynamic among them and their group of friends.

    [–]BewareTheOldMan 42 points43 points  (6 children)

    It's a huge mistake for women to start the "husband search" in their mid to late 20's. I advise any woman who will listen to start the search much earlier. This offers the best chance of locking down a Good Man based on their highest SMV window.

    Women have to improve their RMV/intrinsic and overall value as well, but sexual attraction gets them initial interest. They have to prove themselves as great wives/mothers before the end of their prime years. For a lot of women, based on the amount of partying, drugs, late nights, and the excessive amount of indiscriminate sex "the wall" could hit as early as age 25.

    There are some men who won't even consider a woman over 25 as a wife. I've seen a few men state words to that effect in TRP by implementing this age limit as a hard and fast rule with no exceptions.

    Many women think the "man buffet" will last forever, but find out much later that's not the case...and then the bitterness sets in because men "won't cooperate" with their flawed sexual strategy.

    [–]marplaneit 22 points23 points  (4 children)

    Yeah I know! All they have to do is lock down a nice smart guy with ambition. There are looot of them easily available before 23-25. They only have to be supportive, and with time the guy is going to rise in smv.

    They can't see it, or don't 'want to see it, or they just think they will be able to lock down something at 28 lol. A cousin of mine is like this, quite attractive for her age (30), a lawyer but she is losing her smv at super fast rate... he dated a lawyer, and a doctor in the last year! Both of them dropped her when she asked for something serious LOL. And these guys were way below her in physical appearance... she is getting so desperate and biter that is painful to watch. She bashed my 18 old sister's boyfriend in Christmas, a 30 old fucking woman doing that was the lowest I have seen.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    They can't see it because it is not in their nature to see it. That is why the women's family plus societal pressure would have "encouraged" her to do the smart thing in years past. Oh well. Be careful what you ask for!

    [–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (3 children)

    A pair bonded alpha is like winning the fucking lottery for a woman.

    [–]1empatheticapathetic 60 points61 points  (1 child)

    Even then she'll Fuck it up if he doesn't provide enough excitement/dread/drama.

    [–]Your_Coke_Dealer 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    And the women who did that, assuming they didn't cheat and stuck to sex in relationships only, locked down said alpha at the expense of not using their beauty for fun on the cock carousel. AWALT speaks of women's potential, not practice, and some women consciously choose not to hoe around so it nets them a better man. This is not to say such women are unicorns or that they may not at any time change their mind and decide they want more/other guys instead

    [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    What's ironic is that these girls using their beauty to hoe around for alpha cock are essentially alpha windowing themselves.

    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 20 points21 points  (3 children)

    Women depreceate even in early 20's. Excess drinking, drugs, jobs and stress meant for men, too much skin damaging makeup, no sleep, but with biologically and mentally thinner skin than men wreaks havoc on the female form. Praise the gods I'm male. My value just keeps increasing every year. Ill choose my life over any woman that has ever lived on the planet.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    The partying really starts to hit them from age 22-28.

    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Women just age faster in general.

    [–]yomo86 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    This is one of the most underrated comments on TRP. Women do have a chest of gold between their legs.

    They have a source of power when a human should not have that corruptible power. Even without the tingles and the feefees, giving a 17yo nubile hot cheerleader the same amount of influence in the SMP a man in his mid-thirties, battle-hardened and molted for success has AND then taking it slowly away after 27 is a freakish twist of nature.

    [–]1clon3man 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    There's also opportunities for both sexes to decline with chronic health problems. What's my point? Trends are useful to recognize but you can't fixate on them. It's a tough world out there for everyone who isn't following a good path, which includes weak men and useless women. There the underlying element of life's' challenges that isn't discussed enough in this sub. It's not clear to me how people should deal with getting old, men or women.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I agree about life’s challenges. This is a young forum, with many youthful opinions, stories, and boasts, but the theories extend to all ages. You are judged by your peers, after all. I would never compare my success with women to a twenty year old beta. In later years, how well you advance as a man, grow a family, retire, maintain a happy existence can be improved by the principles and theories found here.

    [–]goat_of_departure 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Too true. We need more discussion on how to deal with true difficulty; things that can’t be fixed by lifting, career advancement, learning game, etc. Your chronic disease example is a perfect one.

    [–]mummersfarce_is_done 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Yeah. There are certain things in life that you basically await for a miracle to solve. I have a rare condition that can't be fixed due to difficulties in it's structure. Already experienced an internal bleeding happened in my brain. It has been 3 months since that. 2 months of lying in hospital made good work on my toned muscles, I was a skeleton when I wake up.

    My right arm is a bit numbed, a bit weaker and much less agile. It was like this before the incident too mind you. I usually wake up with extreme pain in my neck, it goes away after some time during the day but everyday starts demoralised due to pain. Doing any hard lifts are out of the question completely. I used to go to swimming which gave me an amazing body. Plan to continue so after I get a bit more better.

    Do you think breaking up with a girl is painful? I couldn't laugh lauder son. I didn't write this to get sympathy points. I actually do well all things considering and doctors think I am recovering on an astonishing rate. I think emotional resilience TRP journey gave me helped A TON. Still, some discussion on how to overcome this difficulty would be welcome.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    A little? These bitches furious.

    [–]RedHoodhandles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is so true. It is also a very interesting time to see what couples in the social circle form during that age period. A lot of ex hotties with nice guys who have their career on track and now rock the 'told you so' attitude. Man, someone is in for a surprise.

    If the friendship survives the house, wife and kids time period, I will be there without feeling the need to twist the knife deeper. I will just be thinking 'Told you so'.

    [–]VerisimilRed 189 points190 points  (69 children)

    Hi!

    I really like this post. It outlines the basics of a man's ability to improve and take responsibility for himself. It also highlights female flaws.

    The male equivalent of this is coming to resent a female friend because she doesn't reciprocate your beta affections.

    When a female starts resenting you because you improve yourself it's because she almost knows that she's watching the gravy train choo choo off into the distance and SHE'S NOT ON IT.

    Fuck bitches, get money.

    Sincerely,

    Verisimilred

    [–]CasualCocaine 56 points57 points  (12 children)

    Amen, fuck birches get money.

    Edit: lmao I was on my phone. The subsequent conversation is hilarious.

    [–]VerisimilRed 88 points89 points  (11 children)

    Beeches, birches whatever you want man because ATALT (All trees are like that).

    [–]aga080 23 points24 points  (1 child)

    friggin trees man, they are all the same with their photosynthesis and stuff

    [–]hello_im_phil 36 points37 points  (2 children)

    Not the discussion regarding wood I was expecting, but did not disappoint.

    [–]1kenpachitz 33 points34 points  (1 child)

    Yeah ATALT, but I swear this one’s different. Shrubs do exist guys!

    [–]1empatheticapathetic 29 points30 points  (0 children)

    You've been blinded by national geographic.

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      [–]freshoutofgravitas 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      this child is really going out on a limb

      [–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I think that I shall never see anything as lovely as this.

      [–]hibloodstevia 7 points8 points  (4 children)

      So, are we signing our comments now? Is that what's cool these days?

      [–]VerisimilRed 27 points28 points  (1 child)

      It might not be, it might be, who knows?

      But heck I'm gonna do it anyways.

      Sincerely,

      Verisimilred

      [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

      Women peak first, then learn the realities of the smp.

      Men learn the realities of the smp, then they peak.

      This is why women ultimately lose in the feminized West. They literally don't know their value will dwindle after 25 and before they do, it's often too late for them to lock down a beta or even alpha they could have easily locked down in the past.

      Also, recognize the ego validation you're inspiring here. This is a feel good platitude post and with that comes incessant mental masterbation.

      The reality is, these girls didn't choose their fate; society did. Blaming women for hypergamy, shitty values and promiscuity is the same as blaming you for being a suplicating beta at 21 instead of the alpha you "should have been."

      [–]2Dmva100 146 points147 points  (57 children)

      Most importantly, make sure to blatantly showcase your value to the post wallers/single mommas and fembots by having a hot young 18 year old on your arm when you're in the 30+ age bracket. The vapid, entitled nature of these fat slags really is an eye opener when they try to age shame you.

      To which you respond:

      'Quit staring and cook me dinner, or else I'll just assume you're only good for sex.'

      You don't owe women shit.

      [–]Nomfwic 88 points89 points  (5 children)

      Had some age shaming this weekend. Post wall plaster blaster couldn't keep her eyes off me the whole night ( with hubby right next to her) . Soon as one of my plates ( hb8 18yo amature model thingy) comes and showers me with affection, she literally attacked both of us, calling my plate a bitch and asking me why im with a 12yo... all the while I'm observing her actions and laughing. She never got it .

      [–]2Dmva100 68 points69 points  (0 children)

      'Sorry I don't prefer roast beef.'

      'Ok mom, did you make my chicken noodle soup yet?'

      'Are you suggesting my girl isn't empowered enough to make her own decisions?'

      'Fuckoff fatass.'

      All very appropriate.

      [–]juliusstreicher 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      That's the weird shit. When I was mid-30s, I had one girl that I was hitting on at school; she put me off on one pretext or another, constantly. She was then mid to late 20s. I then started dating a 19 year old. So, I ran into the older woman at the library, and she started lecturing me! "You have psychological issues; you never got any when you were that age, so, now, you're compensating for it!"

      She was right, and I smugly agreed! Still don't know what the whole point was, since I sensed that she still didn't want me for herself.

      [–]Docbear64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I feel like Women and shaming go hand in hand if you're not the dude that they're chasing. Also seeing that you gave up chasing her for forever in order to date someone younger , more vibrant , and more available had to bruise her ego . Hell Shit tests could be considered as defensive strategies wrapped in shaming language to see if you'll fold. At the end of the day you're dating a kitten as the older woman ages into an old cat , who cares what she thinks ?

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        [–]Omnibrad 113 points114 points  (17 children)

        All the hot ones are in college and it’s not that common (from my observations as a college aged male) for them to date that far up.

        They're not "dating" that far up. They're just riding a carousel of dicks. They won't tell you they fucked a rando 35 year old only to get pumped and dumped. You don't observe what they do behind closed doors.

        [–]Nomfwic 42 points43 points  (15 children)

        Besides that, they aren't only in college, there everywhere. Creating an active social circle with fellow high value men ensures you run into them often.

        [–]fromthecrypt8 34 points35 points  (13 children)

        Agreed. Even on tinder you can create a fwb profile and you’d be surprised at how many young bitches have enough daddyissues to wanna fuck men even as high up as twice their age. Not saying it’s a huge amount, but at say 34 you will be able to hit 22 year olds with no problems related to the age difference.

        [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (12 children)

        Yup I’m 32, my girlfriend is 21 and hot.

        [–]MarcusAurelius78 1 point2 points  (10 children)

        How’d you meet her? Genuinely curious now after OPs original question of where to meet younger women.

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (9 children)

        Dating app in that case. I was spinning plates but she just stuck around. So now we are a couple.

        [–]aga080 21 points22 points  (7 children)

        careful bruh! the young ones can be sneaky, and feel zero remorse when they move on. make sure your self-improvement is your priority, not training some young chick.

        [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        ^ this...just bang her, do your thing and whatever

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

        Yup - I’m sure she’s the unicorn! 100%!!!

        Just kidding.

        Of course my own development is the priority. But currently things are going well and she’s giving me a lot - so it’s a good arrangement for now.

        [–]juliusstreicher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        careful bruh! the young ones can be sneaky, and feel zero remorse when they move on

        Unlike the older ones, lol!

        [–]MaTArcher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        And seriously you really gotta go through it to understand your reply fully. It almost hurt.

        [–]MarcusAurelius78 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Nice, Tinder?! If she’s a keeper there’s nothing wrong with making her your official woman, best of luck man.

        [–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 37 points38 points  (0 children)

        They aren't dating these men, they're just getting their box plowed in the back of his BMW after a fun adventure, while telling all their friends and you they're busy at home studying or some bullshit

        [–]ShakaLeonidas 33 points34 points  (4 children)

        Not advocating this nor am i ashamed of it but, i had 18 yo Gf at age 30 whom i started dating 2 yrs prior(do the math). Met her at a nightclub. She lied about her age and we were together for 2 yrs straight. We took week long vacations, i met her folks, the whole shabang. After uncovering the truth we gradually grew apaet offer the Next couple of months(no trust.) We even hooked up here and there for the next 3 yrs after the initial break up. That relationship is the final straw that brought me to TRP.

        Im 32 and pull 18 yo pussy with muy eyes closed. I dont tell them my age, what i do for a living, what i drive or anything. I dress very basic. Jeans and t shirt or sweatpants and tanktop. 90% of the time they just come up to me in the grocery store or at the mall etc. I dont have super right game either. I keep my mouth shut once i see they show intrest and want to potentially give up the pussy.(young chicks are flaky, gotta let them convince themselves they wana fuck. Too much Game scrambles their brains.

        Girls dont care about age of mates. A 17 yo chick will fuck a 37 yr old guy if hes physically attractive and not bat an eye. Is it legal? Not in most Westernized places. Is it moral? Sexual strategy is amoral and so are 99.9% of female kind.

        Trust me chicks do alot behind closed doors way sooner, more often and in a different fashion than anybody is comfortable with openly talking about or accepting.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Shit man I had a 19 y/o gf at 39.....fucking awesome, and like you, it brought me to TRP.

        [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (2 children)

        stick with the 21-24 crowd. they're at peak SMV and can legally get into bars/clubs without a fake. last thing you want is for shit to hit the fan and you get fucked because you bought rounds and she was underage.

        if you lift and read the sidebar on how to talk to women, it's easy. i'm mid 30s. i get nasty looks from women who are 30+ whenever i bring out an early 20something plate.

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          [–]askmrcia 19 points20 points  (8 children)

          +? All the hot ones are in college and it’s not that common (from my observations as a college aged male) for them to d

          Yea I used to think this way too until I see a lot of girls I know from age 20-22 dating guys in their 30s and 40s. 18-20? Those girls are going to stay young most likely.

          Where they meet them at? Usually through other people and at parties and ESPECIALLY weddings.

          Now girls that work retail jobs (cashier, bartenders, waitresses, clerks, ect...) they will either meet guys at their jobs or through co-worker's friends.

          But I know several women (all my younger sister's friends who are 22 and lower) dating guys much older.

          What I'm getting at is that there are plenty of women 18-22 that's not even in college. You have girls trying to be models, actors, dancers, ect... These girls will be at places where guys are much older then them.

          [–]marplaneit 15 points16 points  (7 children)

          This 18-20 nah, they hardly ever will date a 30+ guy. But low 20's do it all the times, most of them even brag about it. Tonight I went to a house party, and this girl was bragging about fucking a doctor, he was in his 30 plain looking and was plowing this hot girl... she was 22

          [–]Darkone06 9 points10 points  (6 children)

          The value part isn't his looks is the fact that he is a doctor.

          Doctor's are known to make Bank and are consider high value.

          Even then a good friend to have in your side is always a doctor or lawyer

          [–]marplaneit 11 points12 points  (2 children)

          yep I'm in medical school lol, I already have some value... also I was trying to pick up this girl and she told me "Uhg you are handsome, but I date older guys... but can call me when you graduate" after I told her I was graduating in a year... I just looked at her buffled, i'm a young upcoming guy who is fit, and has a lot of ambition, and this girl only has a nice face and a nice ass is turning me down like I'm piece of drying shit on the asphalt. I could have literally been her ticket out of middle class. I probably could have picked her up with tight game, but It is just not worth the hustle.

          [–]3nebder 20 points21 points  (1 child)

          You’re expecting women to think like men. This one tipped her hand early, you should be grateful.

          Very few can think more than 2 days in the future. They want to cash in on the cow, not raise the calf.

          Graduate and slay.

          [–]aga080 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          doctors WERE known to make bank. times have changed drastically. its a rat race in the medical field at this point.

          [–]ianpac 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          Irrelevant, the public perception is doctors are well paid. Unless they work in the health services themselves they will not know the reality.

          [–]Your_Coke_Dealer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          And if they do work in the health field, then they pursue doctors over status instead of money

          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 14 points15 points  (1 child)

          Honest question, how do you even get 18-20 year olds as a 30+?

          You Day Game like an MFer. Further reading:

          Older Men, Younger Women: How & When It Can Work.

          "Women are a Lagging Indicator" or "If You Build It, They Will Come"

          [–]juliusstreicher 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          My secret was to go and hang around the colleges. Find some cheap class, and lurk around the hallways while waiting for class. Take extended breaks in the lunchroom.

          In short, go to where the 18-20 year olds are.

          [–]ShakaLeonidas 7 points8 points  (2 children)

          Bingo. Im in community college now. Its like fishing with dynamite.

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            [–]MarcusAurelius78 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Either you’re good looking and look young OR $$$.

            [–]marplaneit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            yeah... you a re right, 18-20 hardly ever date 30++, not matter what people here say. Now.. 21-24 yes. They date older guys a lot, and it's not like they have 0 value! Now 25+ holy shit, they lose like 1 point every 2 year.

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            It's revolting when I'm working out at the gym and some 35+ ham beast is eyeing me up with a greasy smile, basically licking her lips.

            Just Deadpan stare her in the eye and shake my head side to side. No.

            It's only fucked because I guarantee a part of her feels entitled. Her ioi (dear God) certainly gave that impression.

            [–]BrownGummyBear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            This is literally my plan for my thirties. I'll be ripped as fuaaark by then as well.

            [–]WISE_TURD 17 points18 points  (3 children)

            My observations (28 years old):

            • Single women approaching the wall are pretty desperate in general.

            • Girls in ltr's that are approaching the wall have a serious case of wandering eye. I'll catch people's girlfriends eye fucking me all the time. They're just anxious to know whether they're still hot or if they already smacked the pavement headfirst.

            • Girls you plated back in your early 20's start hitting you up when they're approaching the wall. Facebook messages out of the blue etc. (the obvious answer is: "it's great hearing from you! drinks sound awesome, but i'm really busy at work. I'll get back to you when it's not so crazy". Ghost)

            They just played the game wrong. A smart women would do everything redpill suggests as far as personal development except keep n count low and have some self control in general. Apparently it's way harder for them than it sounds because all i hear is SPLAT these days.

            [–]Nomfwic 39 points40 points  (0 children)

            I thing we've walked a similar path brother. I to was a unsuccessful beta simp desperate for females. Got by on looks but no discipline was present .

            Now the tables are starting to turn. I have grown passions and hobbies thst I once thought was not important. Living healthier and lifting really cemented the positive mindset and its only up from here. They say women are maple trees, men are oak . The do grow and mature faster... yet they hit the ceiling quickly and the results are ugly.

            I have all these brothers on this forum alone to that for what I have achieved and what I am yet to achieve.

            Thank you guys!

            [–]askmrcia 39 points40 points  (7 children)

            Well we know girls don't tend to view things long term. If you were a pretty decent average guy in high school and college, you will struggle with women (that are good looking).

            However, when you get older, you will most likely (and you bastards should) have more money, a better job, more status, ect...

            Girls don't see that far the line. They don't care if you're some dude busting your ass now and will be good to go when you are older. They are like the NFL when it comes to contract signing (what have you done for me lately).

            Hell even when you are older, they don't give a shit that you missed all those parties in college studying for your software engineering degree or whatever. They only see the finish product. So remember that.

            As long as you have your shit together, STAY HEALTHY, and no kids, you will be fine when you are older. I still say, enjoy the struggle in your 20s, practice what works with women and don't work. More experience the better.

            Last thing you want to be is some fat CPA corporate slave that don't know how to talk to girls. Good luck at that point thinking your age is going to help you pull women.

            [–]softlikedrake 23 points24 points  (0 children)

            As a CPA this hits hard. Definitely not fat/ out of shape but could definitely be hitting the gym harder for them gains. Never had a problem pulling girls as I'm not autistic around women, but truth be told you're either improving or declining... can't get comfortable. I needed this.

            [–]downtownMalone09 55 points56 points  (3 children)

            Yep. She was hot shit and you were average Joe. Then she became a 27 year old single mom of 2. Meanwhile, you hustled at your job and worked out like a madman. Before she would have never dated you, now she hates you because youre better and now out of her league

            [–]zevfern 27 points28 points  (2 children)

            She could just be a washed up 20 something, no need to push the single mom meme like NiceGuys™ do.

            [–]Jonlife 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            Here's some insight. Why are you still concerned about what they think of you? Considering you've moved on and improved yourself to bigger and better.

            It's like still wondering what those kids who made fun of you in high school are up to and what they think about you currently.

            Your issues ua that you still seek female companionship. My advice: if you're still seeking female interaction male sure that it only on your terms. The minute you start to compromise with them, it's basically giving into all her wants.

            You already understand sexual market value. They'll never fuck with you again so long as they're always reminded that they'll never be better than you (physically and mentally). Yes, the minute a female thinks she's above you is the minute they start monkey branching and making unilateral demands. This "everyone is equal" bullshit mindset by men will always have their women saying "I want an open relationship..."

            Understand your boundaries, your value, and don't flinch on them.

            [–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 20 points21 points  (4 children)

            I'm starting to see it now at 26, women who used to have tight asses and stomachs are seeing them drop to the floor like duffel bags by the day, and I'm just constantly improving and getting better day by day in comparison

            [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            bro, those chicks you used to find hot back in school are proper gank now hah!

            [–]hawkeaglejesus 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            To me it's not even their bodies. You can see it in their face. Girls that used to have very soft feminine features look like they're literally shriveling up. There's tons of girls I used to find hot that now suffer from "man face"

            [–]10211799107 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I suspect drinking has a lot to do with it too. It's as if alcohol speeds up their decline.

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            [–]ThickDickWarrior89 15 points16 points  (0 children)

            This is is the beauty of the game; enjoy.

            [–]Dead_Art 15 points16 points  (0 children)

            I wholeheartedly agree, as a young man I was never lacking in the face department but I was just skinny due to an Auto-Immune disease. Women were happy to have a casual relationship with me, have me go to events and things with them and at the time I was just hoping to meet a friend of theirs or something.

            Ten years later these same women approach me with almost a hostility when saying hello in passing, like they're mad at me for becoming well rounded and not getting fat, bald or falling off the rails. They're upset that I don't treat them like the beta-blue that used to listen and never get to talk, I must have become an asshole right? In reality I just put myself first because nobody else will, I no longer treat every person as potential for expanding my social circle, I don't try to show off my talents or wit, and I don't forgive mistakes or obvious faults just because she's a woman. It all seems obvious to me now but I used to see these things as Not being a Real Man. But fuck that, it's just another manipulation technique to get you to submit.

            Never submit.

            [–]beliefthistuff 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            How are you even keeping in touch with these women after so many years? You aren't in a college or high school setting anymore, don't most people just kind of go their own way?

            [–]EminemLovesGrapes 15 points16 points  (0 children)

            My guess is social media.

            You're on Facebook, you have these girls as friends.

            They're 21ish and before you know it the "we're way too young to be pregnant" or "hey I'm partying it up" posts come in.

            Meanwhile OP isn't partying or sleeping around. Being an orbiter probably.

            Then a few years later OP starts posting his gym gains. School gains. Job gains. Hobby gains.

            The women who used to totally ignore him suddenly see pictures on their wall of this guy, and think "holy shit he improved" and boom. This situation.

            That's just my guess.

            Of course there's also social gatherings like reunions. Parties. Through mutual friends.

            [–]Greg4581 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Agreed. Many women are shallow and only see surface value, rather than seeing potential. Then when you activate that potential, they regret not seeing it at the time and they project their frustration onto you.

            [–]i4mn30 7 points8 points  (2 children)

            Your vision needs to be greater than your thirst for women and your need for validation.

            I think if all the thirsty dudes in the world got this, then we'd have a much, much more productive world and be achieving so much more shit. Probably would have had a Mars colony by now.

            Instead we sit with 40 tabs of pornhub and 30 of xvideos, 10 from yesterday's bookmarked porn, all ready to be consumed like glutton.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

            If I've learned one thing in this world that I'd want other people to remember that I've learned: There is no such thing as retribution.

            Remember that. It will help you get over unnecessary bitterness.

            [–]face_north 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            Well all these ideas of women hitting the wall in late 20 s or early 30 s might be true ...but not absolute in todays online dating world. I have seen inboxes of these stale breads ( read aged women) flooded with msgs/right swipes from men. One of them had over 100 guys in her lot... ever ready to take her out for wine n dine n movies n shopping n what not. So they have 100 s of options still to chose each weekend as to who will get "lucky" ..

            [–]Japaliicious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            MILF/Older women fetish has grown quite a lot because of today's society mommy issues.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            If TRP has taught me anything, it's this concept.

            23 here, never had problems getting laid in college. Graduated with a good paying job now. Just got a nice car, starting to travel, and for the first time in my life have no desire to pursue women.

            Don't get me wrong, I get horny and consider hooking up with babes from Bumble. But then I step back, jerk off, and I'm over it. It'd just be a waste of time and resources for such instant gratification, when I could instead channel them on things I actually enjoy (guitar, reading, road trips) that will ultimately lead to self improvement... easy easy pussy in my 30s.

            Feel so bad for the chumps that chase nothing but tail throughout their 20's. Have a couple of friends like this, have tried to apply TRP concepts with little avail. The blue pill is a potent drug.

            [–]grewapair 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Who gives a shit? It doesn't make you any happier when some post wall hag wants you. The fact is, she didn't want you when she was hot. And that ship has sailed.

            And no, they don't regret ditching you for Chad in your 20s. If they had it to do over, they'd ditch you again. No tingles, no regret. They weren't going to give up Chad or even the opportunity for Chad just to have some guy they didn't like for ten years who turned out well.

            Thinking or dreaming about any of this is a waste of time. Think about the women you get, not the women you dint get who now you don't want.

            [–]hawkeaglejesus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Your validation will come when you achieve something worth a shit, not from a one night stand or otherwise.

            Quoting another post. "The meaning of life will never be found inside a vagina. Pussy is something you get sometimes because you like pussy. Pussy is not an achievement. Go do something you can be proud of."

            [–]face_north 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            give this man some Gold ! ha ha

            [–]Don_Himself 3 points4 points  (4 children)

            They never """denied""" you, you just didn't meet the required standards to force them to submit before.

            And they don't """resent""" you, they're just re-testing your fortitude extra hard to see if you pass requirements to force them to submit. you've failed many tests before so further testing is required to see if you can withstand. pretty much seeing if you're really as good as advertised or just faking it.

            women don't hate men for becoming attractive. that's a completely ridiculous way of contextualizing the male-female sexual dynamic. you could be building an empire full of subs at your fingertips but instead you decided to create a Me vs Them standoff which isn't fun nor healthy. if theyre quality bitches, Conquer them unapologetically and build your harem.

            [–]MaxBrodin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I see one flaw in your argument. Just how a woman at 25, at a peak of her SMV does not see anything wrong with it, you don’t see that you are at a physical peak at around 30. You think you earned it, and it could be true. But it could also be that you simply aged and will continue to increase your SMV and provider value until another peak at 37.

            [–]FudgingEgo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Which books have you been reading?

            [–]VerminatorX1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            What is "grooming"? I haven't found definition in glossary, and google results are kinda creepy...

            [–]ejkej89 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            If you are balding then you don't age like wine. Some guys need hair transplant.

            [–]aga080 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            This guy gets it!

            good thoughts OP, we need more encouraging posts like this.

            [–]hb8only 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            give them feeling that they have a chance and then bring out that you are seeing 20yo girl.. I would LOVE to see their reactions!

            [–]bitchpotatobunny 2 points3 points  (10 children)

            Women at 29 are hitting the wall? I was under the impression the wall was around 35ish. Late twenties simply separates those who take care of themselves versus those who relied on the beauty of youth and let themselves go.

            In my experience, mid to late twenties is the target range. That's when a girl becomes a woman and tends to grow into her sexuality. That's when they go from "hot" to "sexy" and actually know how to have fun in bed. Before that, they just look good and let you do whatever, but don't really know much themselves.

            I'm not trying to take away from the message of this post; it's a good one and rings true. I'm genuinely curious if there is an agreed upon age range for the wall or not.

            [–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 9 points10 points  (4 children)

            No you just repeated all the BluePill feminist talking points. You need to purge that from your system.

            [–]Jaang_Empire 23 points24 points  (1 child)

            For women with model-tier looks, personal trainers on call, and a home gym that actually gets used as more than a place to hang clothes, the wall can hit as late as 35.

            For your average American woman, who basically relies on youthful good looks + makeup, the wall starts hitting at 25, and by 35 she's 75 pounds over the line into obesity.

            "Knowing how to have fun in bed" is something that can be taught in two or three two-hour fuck sessions, even to borderline retards... but is almost impossible for an Obeast to pull off.

            [–]juliusstreicher 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            That's when a girl becomes a woman and tends to grow into her sexuality.

            That'w when a girl becomes a whore and tends to ride the CC at warp speed.

            FTFY.

            [–]bitchpotatobunny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            LOL. Touche. Still works for me. Not trying to keep her around.

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            [–]ronaIdreagan 33 points34 points  (6 children)

            Is four years ok to escalate to an arm touch ? Asking for a friend.

            [–]Jaang_Empire 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Is your friend a sperg?

            Asking for myself.

            [–]PillDragon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            That explains the downvotes

            [–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            You need to ask for consent first.

            [–]richpianoooo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            chill he is 16 why act like a dick to the guy

            [–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            No, it's just about right. Just think: when you actually have sex, around age 70, how great it will be, because you waited!

            [–]biglaughingcock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            im 20 now so I can only look forward to the future. but good for you man, don't get tied down any time soon!

            [–]face_north 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Correction "Men age like wine, pussy like bread".

            [–]kane4life4ever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            What industry are you in mate?

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