Field ReportNever believed treating girls like shit makes them want you, until yesterday! (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by ohRyZze

2 days ago I found out my GF of 2 years cheated on me like a year ago. Immediately I broke up with her and was kinda heart broken so I went out clubbing with some friends the next day. I was clubbing before that as well and whenever I tried to talk to a girl I was like "Oh ehm... girls would you mind dancing with us?" and even if they said yes I would dance with them and ASK for everything and only give them compliments!

Yesterday though I found this hot girl dancing in front of me, I remembered all the advice I have read on forums and subreddits about seduction so I turned her around and told her: "Dance with me ". She was surprised a little but eventually, she did. Throughout the day I kept being an ass to her from time to time and every time I did, she was, even more, interested in myself. As the morning comes close I didn´t give any fucks anymore and told her "Let's go outside I know a nice place we can go to". I didn´t even wait for her answer I just fucking took her hand and she went with it. Eventually, at the spot, we are alone make out and the usual stuff as it starts raining. I tell her we should go somewhere with a roof above us so we don´t get wet. I really dunno what I had in mind but as we were getting close to the bus station I just stopped there and took the bus back to my place. Again without asking and again she rolled with it.

Back at my place, I fucked her and the next morning she left. This was the first ever time I took a girl with me!! And it was the first time I tried some tips from the forums, mostly leading her and not just asking for things. As an added bonus, it helped me to get over the bitch my GF was :P

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[–]ohRyZze[S] 382 points383 points  (58 children)

Fuck blue pill standards lol. That's why you never take advice from women. Every time I asked a girl for tips she would allways be like: "You just have to be nice. Treat her like a living thing not an object." Obviously never worked

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    [–]The-Hardball-Player 154 points155 points  (0 children)

    "Excuse me Ms. Deer, I'm looking to shoot you or one of your friends. What's the best way to hunt deer?"

    "Thanks for asking, Mr. Hunter! The best way to hunt deer is to scatter free food all through the forest, put up "no hunting" signs, hop in your car and drive a hundred miles away. There's no better way!"

    "Thanks Ms. Deer, I'll do that right now!"

    deer laughs and enjoys food with her deer friends

    [–]1StoicCrane 28 points29 points  (3 children)

    Friggin, thank you! This is exactly what I've been posting on Kezia Noble YouTube video comments. Videos basically made to psychologically castrate men through female "advice". The level of BP viewers there are will make any aware dude cringe for months. Some men weren't meant to awaken their inner Alphaness.

    [–]M1ster_X 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Bluepillers have a purpose, to do the hard labor for the redpillers. Somebody's gotta make the CEOs their fortunes, right?

    [–]CQC3 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    lol, do you live in reality?

    There typically are no hard and fast blue pill or red pillers. It's all context.

    Your alpha CEO seldom exists, he might be a badass in the boardroom but there's just as many of those who are wrapped around their wives' fingers.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Brother! What is your name on youtube?

    [–]AncientScrolls 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    What if the wolf is born between the sheeps, like the Ugly Duckling? How is he gonna escape the feminist matrix if he has no one to point to him the redpill?

    [–]JackGetsIt 122 points123 points  (12 children)

    "You just have to be nice. Treat her like a living thing not an object."

    Women give this advice because it helps them weed out betas and build validation and resources through orbiters. It's kind of like asking a starving alligator the best location to cross the river at...

    I think most women under thirty are also hyper unaware of why they are attracted to certain men and are even scared and hostile about it because it's a loss of control. They just 'are' and gravitate towards what they are attracted to and exploit what they aren't attracted too. They do this completely intuitively with little to zero logic coming into play. I've met some amazing highly educated, intelligent worldly women with high power jobs that act like intolerant mindless children around men they are attracted too.

    [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (8 children)

    Each time I analyze women, they remind me of that fem terminator.

    Down to a fucking T. Even increasing breast size to manipulate men.

    [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 19 points20 points  (7 children)

    I mean, isn't that exactly what we're doing? Manipulating? I have no problem with women trying to manipulate me. It's natural.

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      [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I used to tell one of my exs to manipulate me all she wanted. And that the best, most effective way to do that would be to show some cleavage, bake me cookies, and give me some head.

      [–]UnKnownSurviving 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Interesting. Never thought of that way.....

      [–]theredpill196 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      Manipulation has a negative connotation, but every action is a manipulation.

      Picking up a pencil and putting it down is manipulating your environment. When talking to women I just tend not to use that word because it makes them think they're being dehumanized and used like a worthless object.

      You've just gotta be careful about the language because once you've offended someone, they aren't interested in your logic, even if it's sensible.

      [–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      The Latin root for the term manipulate is manipulus. It integrated to French to firm the term manipulate meaning to handle an apparatus in chemistry.

      Manipulation is to play or control in an artful or unfair manner to one's own advantage whereas the pencil analogy you used is more akin to influence. There's a distinct difference.

      [–]theredpill196 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Thanks for the heads up. I looked it up and you're right. I suppose it's often misused in the vernacular.

      [–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      As humans we're pretty much idiots. Myself included. We use words all the time without understanding their genuine meaning. Sometimes it's best not to use them at all and emote expressions. They're way more readily understood.

      [–]Discostu97 17 points18 points  (1 child)

      I don't think their reasoning goes as deep as you suggest. Not consciously at least. They give this sort of advice because they think it's what they should say. I've never heard a woman suggest you just go out there and show who's boss. It is what it is. And it makes sense, considering that most of them don't really know why they're attracted to someone.

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      They give this advice simply because it's what they want from whoever's fucking them. People know what they want, not what they have.

      [–]MartinMcFlyy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I've learned this can continue well into 30's

      [–]DontBeAStupidCunt 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      What they mean is “I want a bad boy with nice guy traits. If he doesn’t have them, I will take on the challenge to change him.”

      [–]theredpill196 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      I think the problem also largely stems from the fact that men don't know what women mean by this.

      Being "nice and treating her like a living thing and not an object" isn't in anyway against TRP philosophy, but you have to know what it actually means, not misinterpret it.

      Being nice means having good social skills, being a decent and fun person. This is high-status, high value behavior. Breaking rapport/ antagonistic flirting is totally in line with being nice because of the emotional sub-communication. The emotional subcommunication and the implied frame.

      A confident, desirable guy who knows how to flirt and humorously teases her in a socially calibrated way even if using language that would be harsh way is "nice" while a guy who is nice the ways guys interpret and is a total doormat/ socially unaware creep is not "nice".

      Treating her like a living this and not an object is also good advice, supposing a guy actually knows how to do that. Most guys who aren't good with women think treating her like a living being means being overly friendly/polite. Many guys coming out of blue pill conditioning will swing the opposite direction too far an starting treating women as fuck-toys, but as one advances, it's about realizing that treating women like people doesn't necessarily mean being supplicating, weak, overly formal, super polite,etc.

      It means remembering that they're people and being aware of their emotional needs and not being some abusive asshole who just doesn't care about their well-being. Many men will tell you to not care and advocate a sort of pseudo-stoicism because they don't know how to get emotionally involved without losing frame because they can't handle intense emotional connection without falling apart. The more grounded you become, the more you'll be able to handle it.

      [–]dontcheckmyredditlol 16 points17 points  (4 children)

      Treating girls like shit, will get your a girl temporarily. If you want to make it WORK with a girl, that is definitely not enough to make her stay. Girls like a guy who's cool and confident and can take charge. That doesn't mean they want a guy to be an asshole. Lol.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      The problem, though, is that before you can be with a girl long term, you have to convince her to be with you in the short run as well-- "temporarily." Ultimately it is on them to regulate how they respond to their desires. It's well within their power to not reward assholes with pussy. But if that's the way a given woman chooses to behave, why would I want to be with her long term?

      [–]dontcheckmyredditlol 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      You shouldn't want to be. Any girl like that is most likely a waste of time. Hopefully she grows up and learns to search for better.

      [–]Manreforged 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      But they all start out like that, and "growing up" usually means getting off the cc because the wall is imminent.

      If a ltr is what you want, best to give off the asshole vibe to give her tingles. When people say - don't date him, hes a jerk - She will hampster it away by saying she can change you.

      [–]1StoicCrane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      So pathetically predictable aren't they? Kind of make me resent that I'm hardwired to fuck them otherwise I'd want nothing to do with the idiots. Some are OK, granted but most are borderline retarded in behavior.

      [–]TurgidMeatWand 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I think it doesn't work because most blue-pillers idea of "nice" is to be needy, servile, and agreeable.

      [–]Boovs4life 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Or the classic "just be yourself"

      [–]Nydusurmainus 1 point2 points  (13 children)

      Yeah i wouldn't exactly call that treating her like shit, neither of you were there to find a serious relationship and you just didn't pretend. She was into you, she didn't have to think all night, she just had to go with it and if at any point that night she decided she didn't like you she would have just walked away.

      Context is important but remember as the famous poet and philosopher ludacirs says "you can't turn a hoe into a housewife" so if you end up wanting another serious relationship watch out for women like this because she clearly had no drive of her own. Self driven women are far more likely to be loyal as they work hard and therefore often see the value of what the male does. You'd be hard pressed getting a loyal woman to do anything like this.

      [–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (12 children)

      So how do you pick up GF or wife material?

      [–]Nydusurmainus 14 points15 points  (9 children)

      Not at clubs, get a hobby. Meet through friends. Spend time and observe

      [–]1StoicCrane 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Can't gauge if a potential GF or LTR will hop on the CC the moment you two get serious through hobbies. AWALT 24/7.

      [–]Nydusurmainus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You are fucking worse than an engineer with the acronyms.

      [–]1empatheticapathetic -1 points0 points  (6 children)

      It don't make a Fucking difference bro.

      [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children)

      I guarantee you, the quality of person that you meet at a club will be significantly lower than that of, say, someone you met while volunteering. If you're looking for wife material at a club, you very well may be retarded.

      [–]Ou-tis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      In general yes,if you are looking for a ltr/wife material girl she is not drunk at 3 am in a club.

      [–]majaka1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I go to meet ups and language exchange events.

      It tends to attract professional level women who are the higher intellect type and generally international or new to the country.

      Last week met a nice Sri Lankan, Colombian, Chinese and Japanese girl. Set up a date with three of them and banged one of them so far.

      Two of them are flakes, the Sri Lankan girl is the only one that turned out to be a bit of a gold digger but the other three are all above and beyond the type of woman I would ever meet in a club environment.

      It helps that I love learning languages and so meeting women that share that passion as well is just a cool bonus.

      [–]AncientScrolls 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      He doesnt. He will probably get hit by a "career-oriented women" in her 35-40s that got tired of riding the cock caroussel and is now looking for a beta provider , who thinks he is the big shot, to settle and turn him into her personal doormat/footstool.

      [–]UnKnownSurviving 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      YEAH! NEVER EVER take advice from women! Lol That shit never work!

      But I've gotta say, great job on your confidence/IDGAF attitude moments.

      [–]HQmellow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Whahaha. Are you seriously saying that treating a woman "like a living thing not an object" never got you laid? Damn people here are some kind of crazy. I'm not saying I get laid every week (sometime not for 2 weeks), but saying it "never works" is just straight BS. People like you should try and stick that red pill of yours up your ass. <3

      [–]chaosrunssociety 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      That's actually sound advice. Treating anyone like an object is just whack. Also, the word nice is so vague you should just ignore it like a platitude.

      But when you indeed take the lead, you're not treating her like an object! You're treating her like a woman - objects don't follow. Biologically and/or economically speaking, women need some directing; they're subconsciously loathe to give up their finite reproductive resources!

      You just sound like a mysogynist. The point is to love women, not hate them. But damn, you can love them without sacrificing everything it is to be you. Grow the fuck up.

      [–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      You just sound like a mysogynist.

      First all learn how to spell the word misogynist.

      The point is to love women, not hate them. But damn, you can love them without sacrificing everything it is to be you. Grow the fuck up.

      If you spent at least 5 minutes reading the side-bar (we all know you didn't) you'd understand that most women are devoid of lovable characteristics. All they seek to do is fuck guys with the best genes while handling guys with the most resources. Whether it be money, attention, validation, whatever. That's it.

      Before you don the armour of White Knightness go the hell back to TBP and spare us the stupidity. No one wants it here.

      [–]chaosrunssociety 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Have you even spoken to a woman? From what you said, it sounds like your entire worldview comes from reading a couple webpages and not life experience. That's not very prudent because - even if those webpages prove to be accurate - that's simultaneously playing roulette and being a puppet - both things clearly against the spirit of this community.

      Its one thing to condemn an entire half of the population based on experience in combination with a consensus of facts, and it's another to do so because a few websites say you should. Reason, skepticism, logic, and therefore masculinity seem to elude you.

      You're just another irrational sheep, waiting to be slaughtered by the nearest wolf.

      [–]1StoicCrane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Go argue with someone interested in the bull your posting. I'm not the one.

      [–]Shakydrummer 17 points18 points  (2 children)

      Basically. Being confident and leading a woman is considered treating them like shit, which is such a hilarious joke.

      [–]AncientScrolls 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Blame years of brainwashing by the feminist mainstream media, stating that being a man is a misdemeanor!

      [–]1ozaku7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Exactly, I don't see how he treated her like shit. He just took the lead and gave her the option to follow or go her own way. She decided to follow.

      [–]Eastuss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Came to that post expecting exactly what you describe in your comment, scrolled to the comments expecting exactly your comment.

      I'm pretty sure that if I go the TBP I'll see a post like "Terp basically raped a girl and is proud of it" or something related to "rape culture".

      [–]mydatingbible 79 points80 points  (5 children)

      Confidence works wonders my friend, having a plan and being a leader is what girls like, well done.

      [–]ohRyZze[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

      It changed my fucking world to be honest. Love this sub so much for the great tips.

      [–]slay_it_forward 10 points11 points  (1 child)

      Which was common sense to our grandfathers. It's only now, after decades of feminism that men need to be taught how to be men again.

      [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Jesus no kidding. I've realized there's many things in our current shit culture that are forgotten, but which were common sense to our grandfathers. Fucking "progress" my ass.

      [–]brainhack3r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      My GF literally tells me "I hate making decisions" ... She likes me being the leader. It's not even an alpha/beta decision. It's really just picking a direction and going with it.

      [–]HQmellow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I 100% agree with this, but not with "act like an asshole"

      [–]veganishell 261 points262 points  (30 children)

      You didn't treated her like shit, you just showed you're not afraid about rejection

      [–]ohRyZze[S] 55 points56 points  (29 children)

      Well by saying i treated her like shit, I was not referring to the things i wrote, but it was more of a summary of the things I didn´t write because it would be a huge post. For example, when talking to girls previously I would never think about criticizing anything she says but now I did in a really harsh way. She told me she is studying music for example and I told her: "That´s a pretty useless thing to study unless you are already outstanding at some instrument or singing. I can´t imagine you can sing well so what instrument do you play?". After she told me she doesn´t play anything she wanted to learn it during college I told her "That's kinda dumb, you aren't the brightest are you? And I thought I was starting to like you"

      [–]Scymnus 66 points67 points  (22 children)

      That's not treating her like shit, that's just being honest. The thing is when you've treated girls like princesses all your life treating them like any other human being feels like you're being an asshole. You'll get used to it.

      [–]ohRyZze[S] 14 points15 points  (17 children)

      So is it actually bad what I did? Or not good enough? How would you go about treating her like shit?

      [–]Scymnus 19 points20 points  (14 children)

      Nah it was just harmless flirting, but I'd say it was spot on. No point in crossing the line with new girls, reserve the nukes for plates/LTRs who step out of line.

      I like to go full patriarchal if I need to put a woman in her place, in this case I'd ridicule her for most likely ending up as a glorified prostitute for label CEOs given her lack of musical talent. This can only be done once you've established an incredibly strong frame, but do a search for "black knighting" if you want to know more.

      [–]ohRyZze[S] 15 points16 points  (11 children)

      God damn its so nice to learn new things about this. Currently i have 8 tabs open with red pill truths i gotta look through well make that 9 now :P

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        [–]ohRyZze[S] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

        Okay maybe i went to far you are right. But i am here to learn so thx for the constructive critisism.

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          [–]ohRyZze[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I know what you mean. Gotta be more carefull :)

          [–]Pro_Like_Me 3 points4 points  (3 children)

          yeah he's right. What you said isnt harmless flirting or being rude relly it was just a dumb line which gets you nowhere. You can be a "good" dick or a bad "dick".

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Well it got me somewhere haha

          [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I think the simplest formulation is to treat them like your little sister. They generally like a guy who is warm but aloof. Who is totally comfortable around them. Who will call them on their bullshit when they're being bratty.

          [–]lifeisledzep 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Careful mate. Sometimes this stuff can be overbearing when done all at once.

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I know i know :/ i even find a lot of contradictions which bothers me a lot when learning a new thing. Will take it slow step by step tho

          [–]mr-no-homo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Never heard of black knighting. Will look into it.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Start by realizing that you didn't treat her badly at all. You set the frame and led her. That is what they want so grata on figuring that out.

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

          Yeah he's being honest, but I think that qualifies for asshole behavior--calling a person dumb and all. Yeah, definitely asshole. I mean telling some random obese woman that she looks like shit is also being honest, but it's not a decent thing to do. Just don't date her if you think she looks horrible, and if enough men think likewise she'll figure it out.

          If this sort of talk gives her tingles, I can't fault her for a basic biological response more than I can fault guys for being turned on by women that dress like whores. Between the tingles, and her agreeing to have sex with the guy, however, is a space where free will operates, and she can be faulted for giving it up to a guy who acts like this.

          I'm not criticising this as a game strategy--what works works. I think for a lot of women playful banter is sufficient--male friends will sometimes bust each others chops, but it's self understood that this is just a form of verbal play, not genuinely "asshole" behavior. I don't see why it needs to be any different with women. But not every harsh remark can be painted over as just playful banter.

          I see the OP below wants to if what he did was "bad" from a moral sense: I would say yes, but it's not the worst thing in the world, given the fact that game is a response to the corrupt behavior of women in modern society, not the other way around. If you want to be a genuinely moral guy when it comes to dating women, it would be in your best interest to date within a subculture where women are less likely to give it up to men that play asshole game, and primarily date with marriage in mind. I.e. A dating culture where women are more likely to reward men who are reliable, principled, and honorable.

          [–]Scymnus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Being turned on by dominant behaviour is the true nature of women, no amount of social pressure can truly change that. They were always fucking around, just not as much and they were better at hiding it. You don't seem to fully comprehend this.

          We do what works, not what is decent. If you were looking for the morally correct amswer TRP is the wrong place to discuss it.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          "We do what works, not what is decent. If you were looking for the morally correct amswer TRP is the wrong place to discuss it."

          The question posed above was whether he treated her like shit, not did it work, so I answered it. My answer is the correct one, but I wouldn't have offered it, if the question wasn't asked.

          Because he seemed to care, I offered him an out: try to seek out a different sexual marketplace, which means a more conservative culture or religion--some being more effective than others for this purpose--where he can mate with a cleaner conscience. It won't change basic female biology, nor would I advocate he become a beta, because the female nature remains the same, but the dating dynamics change, as well as the probability of infidelity. Furthermore it becomes less necessary to become outright dark triad to demonstrate dominance. You can observe this even in general society: the traits required to demonstrate male dominance at some rich, preppy high school, are not as drastic, or socially destructive, as those needed in urban Detroit.

          Though I didn't need TRP to intuit this, I have seen it observed on redpill sites, that the response by men to the sexual behavior of women in modern western society, where sexual contraints are almost completely absent, can take 3 main forms: 1) MGTOW 2) PUA/Game/"Enjoy the decline"--which is what is most often discussed here 3) Date within the context of a different sexual marketplace (more conservative culture/religious subgroup). I suggested he consider #3.

          TRP is effective for discussing the lower impulses of humanity in great detail, free of PC, and for that reason it is a tremendous achievement, but in my view tends to be reductionistic as a result. People are born selfish, but more noble elements of their character can emerge (emerge, as in the potential is there all along) with training, though the basic animal instincts always REMAIN--one is simply better equipped to decide how to respond to the instincts, especially if he or she can satisfy the animal instincts to a sufficient degree to make the internal conflict less acute. The optimum scenario is where the animal impulses are satisfied to a degree, but are otherwise parlayed into socially constructive institutions such as marriage to an individual of sufficiently high SMV who also has the necessary character to go the distance.

          I'm aware that moral issues are not generally brought up on this forum, but they are occasionally. Your tendency to bracket moral questions for the sake of pragmatism does not actually make them go away, and because of what's at stake you may be ultimately in for a rude awakening if you get it wrong.

          [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          That is indeed treating her like shit.

          [–]Nydusurmainus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yeah I wouldn't have said that, I would have stopped talking to her. God that is stupid.

          [–]aDrunkenWhaler 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          That's definitely being a dick, but sometimes it works. Usually, if the conversation is done just between the two of you, younger women or women with low self esteem will eat that shit up. The daddy issues will surface, they'll search for validation etc. Smack them around in bed and they should pay you for the therapy session.

          [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I am honestly surprised that being this mean didn't get her to reject. I have never been anywhere this mean to a girl without getting her to leave me or cold shoulder me.

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Well you cant do it just as you meet her. You have to wait until you have her attraction.

          [–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Watch Gone With the Wind. You acted like Rhett Butler . Basically, like every man should be acting. Honest and with integrity.

          [–]Salted_Pretzel 40 points41 points  (14 children)

          Great job. I'm learning how to not give a fuck as well, it's hard as we are programmed to give fucks.

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 14 points15 points  (11 children)

          Guess the trigger was the breakup with my gf. It was truely the turning point where I told myself its now or never I am in my fucking prime years why should I give any fucks?

          [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

          Ive found that theres always "that one" break up thats the eye opener. This is the one that makes your brain click.

          [–]Darksh4dow88 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          You don't necessarily have to go through a breakup to recognize reality. I never had a gf and obviously no breakups but I just see that this stuff works, therefore I apply it and have success.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          I agree. But Im willing to bet theres a large demographic, myself included, of dudes here that had that kick to the nuts breakup that brought them to TRP.

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          It was my first serious relationship. We were together for over 2 fucking years all the other ones were 6 months tops

          [–]p3n1x 4 points5 points  (6 children)

          I am in my fucking prime years

          You are a man, your "prime" years start the day you produce sperm up to the day you die.

          "Prime" only goes away because dudes go beta, get fat & complacent.

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

          But you cant bang 16 17 18 year olds when you are 40

          [–]p3n1x 6 points7 points  (4 children)


          Yes, you can and it is legal.

          when you are 40

          lol, get over this bullshit now. There are plenty of young women that drool over a more experienced and financially sound male than a little nervous chihuahua trying to be the alpha dog.

          To drill down, what you learned to do a few nights ago, some of us have been doing for decades.

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          Lol mate sry that I insulted you personally. Its just that I THOUGHT no 16 or 18 year old would want ME when i am 40. Not generally

          [–]BobbyPeru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You'd be surprised if you take good care of yourself. I'm in my late 40's, but in the best shape of my life - I lift 5-6 days a week. I routinely get hit on by women in their 20's and 30's. My cousin has a 18 year old daughter, and she said I was ripped and hot when he showed her a pic of me without my shirt.

          [–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I can speak harsh sometimes, not insulted.

          If you continue down the path of self growth and exploration, you would shit your pants knowing the amount of woman that want your time and attention at 40.

          [–]5t3fan0 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          we are programmed to give fucks.

          we are programmed brainwashed to give fucks way too many fucks.

          [–]DadOnDabs 40 points41 points  (5 children)

          Be careful of going overboard with this like I did. It works on club and party sluts but having this approach in day game rarely works. Try aiming for the asshole with a smile. Basically laugh and treat them like a child but don't come off as a dick. Try coming off as an adult who doesn't take their child seriously.

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

          Yea would dare doing it during day game. Thx tho gotta bookmark that thats a nice explenatiom what the boundries are

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          You know, you have to try doing it during the day. That's the only way that you learn and find out what works and what doesn't work.

          EDIT: Fixed copy and paste error

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          Its the next step :P you know any good guids for day game?

          [–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Check out Tom Torero's youtube channel.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 28 points29 points  (0 children)

          How is what you did treating a girl like shit? You were a man being direct and not a sniveling bitch trying to get into a girls pants by pretending to be nice and pretending to care about her bullshit.

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          [–]ohRyZze[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          God damn stay strong bro :/ Look for a good post about break up on this sub. Just reading it helped me a lot. Just fuck girls hobestly there is no point in being nice to them

          [–]1SirKolbath 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          We've all been there, brother. It DOES get better.

          [–]GrabHerByThePEPE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Good luck mate. You're making the right choice. Get to the point where you're thanking you ex for cheating, as it helped bring you to [the point].

          [–]alefmale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Good man.

          Now take away those quotes from

          "left me"

          and you're on your way to swallowing the pill.

          [–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Her sister was a main proprietor of all of it.

          Nope! You were, with a dash of hypergamy. Start with the dude in the mirror before hamstering the blame onto the sister.

          [–]HangingSalami 6 points7 points  (3 children)

          Great Report. It sounds like you just spat da truth as harsh as it sound. Something obvioulsy refreshing about a man that truly speaks his mind...hopefully in a witty/sarcastic tone with sexualized overtones next time. Good Luck!

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          Will do ;) just wanted to throw this out as quickly as possible but there are more reports coming for sure

          [–]HangingSalami 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          cool. It would be helpful if you got more into the verbal back and forth interplay. Right now it sounds like you steamrolled asshole frame. But it worked...so why GAF

          [–]Sherlock--Holmes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          JSYK, you didn't "treat her like shit", you led.

          [–]butter_coffee 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          She liked being "led" by you so it could get pass her asd. If you ask her want sum fuk, and she says yes, that makes her a slut. If you just lead her implicitly, she can pretend she wasn't.

          [–]untonyto 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          I like how it sound like at every step you were surprised how well things were going because they are not "supposed" to work like that. Sometimes I try to really ruin the chemistry but you would be surprised how damaged these women are.

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Yea i never knew girls are like that. I allways considered my self a guy who knows how to get girls around but after discovering this I couldnt believe it how wrong i was

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          There's a big difference between actually treating a girl like shit and some light fun teasing.

          The only girls who will stay with you when you treat them like shit are damaged/daddy issues types. Quality girls have options.

          Girls like teasing because it lightens things up. There's this weird tenseness about asking someone for permission and being polite about shit all the time in a totally casual environment like a club. It's also a sign that you're nervous/approval seeking which as we all know is a pussy drier.

          Dudes only get called an "asshole" because 1.) they got the girl you had your eyes on and you're salty about it. 2.) She found out he's a player and got salty about it.

          Plus girls don't feel bad about rejecting guys like this so they're going to feel less guilty about calling him an asshole versus some nice guy who can barely get a girl's attention for 5 minutes once a year. It's like how women don't feel bad about shitting on or calling actual hot women "fat", "stupid" "ugly" etc.. Because they know it's not true and they're just projecting their own insecurities.. Lol.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You're right that women will criticize other women's appearances, but it's not solely due to their "insecurities." This is actually well established psychology, which is explained by the Sexual Strategies Theory. It basically proffers that women will criticize another woman's appearance or promiscuity, while men will criticize other men's resources/fitness.

          It comes down to differences in both sexes - females requiring a long gestation period, while males can theoretically inseminate thousands of women with little time in between. Why is that important? Well it makes the selection process for dudes kind of easy: I see an attractive female, I want to inseminate her. Females, on the other hand, have a bit more work cut out for them. They have to weigh things like a potential partner's resources, and his consequent ability to support her; his social dominance, and how that may manifest itself; in addition to those, she also has to determine how "fit" his genes are, which is determined through how "masculine" his physical appearance is.

          This is embedded in our genes for good reason too. Think of it this way - males never had to worry about being saddled with kids, but only had to concern themselves with reproducing as much as physically possible. And that's because reproducing as much as possible meant spreading your genes the most. Pretty straightforward, right? Well it's not the same for women, because once they actually choose with whom they wish to reproduce, they are saddled with the fucking kid for months on end. In other words, for women, the stakes are A LOT higher.

          And wow I'm now realizing that this is running the risk of being a complete non sequitur to what you said, but I couldn't help myself.

          SO, in sum, when your girl is criticizing another girls appearance or promiscuity, now you know why - Differential Parental Investment, and Sexual Strategies Theory. And now when you lose that girl you've been going after all night in the club, and she decides to run off with that other douche, you'll know why you go fuck that loser he's an unsuccessful fuck anyway, before zeroing in on your plan B.


          [–]ddelicia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Glad for you OP, happy you are making progress.

          [–]covertpenguin3390 4 points5 points  (5 children)

          Good for you man. Confidence is really all you need out there. Do be aware though, you're not over your gf yet. You dated for two years and both parties always pay the piper emotionally no matter what you do. Not trying to be a downer, but when you wake up in a few weeks hung over or whatever after not getting laid for a few weeks and getting shot down the previous night by a girl you were interested in, is when it'll finally strike (obviously I just made that up but I think you get what I mean). I say this so when it happens you're aware it's normal and already have made the mental decision to not contact your ex which you will have the strong urge to. Good luck man and keep slayin.

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          Thx bro i am completely aware of that. I looked up a post of a guy who made a plan how to get over it following it right now so i guess i will be okay

          [–]covertpenguin3390 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Nice. Yeah I remember breaking up with girls when I was younger and I would do what you're doing and feel awesome for a few weeks while my brother who is much older would try and say that I'm not over her yet. I of course was like whatever, and like always, he was right and it would eventually hit haha biggest thing is to be careful with alcohol and make sure that your career/school and the gym don't fall by the wayside when those bad feelings finally hit you. Seems like you have a good handle on it though.

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I even let myself grief for the first week until i start with the whole forgettong her thing. Dont feel ashamed to admit that I even cried a few times i just dont want to hold it inside myself so its easier tp get rid of after the griefing week :P

          [–]RPBulletDodger 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          You are gonna be just fine my dude.

          Great post and observations.

          [–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Thx bro. So nice to hear that

          [–]MakeDatingGrateAgain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          There's a difference between being "treating girls well" and "being a cuck" actually.

          [–]everyone_wins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Lol if that's treating women like shit then I'm a real misogynist.

          [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          And yet she will cheat on you eventually. What is your contingency plan when you became IDGAF, Red Pilled, PUA, High SMV and she still decides to mix it up by fucking some other guy?

          These posts about "Gee TRP actually works who would have thought!" are starting to become less and less relevant. I get that they are important steps for a mans unplugging. But why these threads litter the front page is beyond me.

          After a couple of years you like everyone else will come to the conclusion that modern women are broken and that no amount of treating her like shit will keep her in line for long. And I'm not even talking about a relationship. I'm talking about having a plate and having her flake because she believed something new or better came along. You can't depend on them at all.

          I've browsed TRP for years and for the last year or so I opted for a break and I noticed that there is no actual progression here. People hold on to the same values and beliefs they did years ago. Yet this doesn't resonate at all with my experiences. As I find that every year the rabbit hole goes a little deeper. More insight is gained. Am I the only one?

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          [–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          I have to say people in the club even if i dont hook up with then tell me I am at least top 20% of the guys there. Also many assume I am roch because I study finance (sortof a clichee here) but i just never tell them i am not.

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            [–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            My modell tells me its about 99% sure

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I was a "nice guy" as a kid. My girlfriend at the time asked what I would do if she began flirting with another guy and left me for him. I told her I'm just happy if she's happy.

            I was a huge cuck when I was 9. No father figure.

            Anyways. As I grew I learned. Long story short, I was nice to a girl when I was 19 and she broke up with me. I was a pushover I admit, but the point is that too much adoration is not good.

            So I became a dick because I just grew sick of it. I told my friend some women are stupid and to check this out. Went to say my goodbyes as I was leaving the state again and by the end of the night she was in tears and telling me to make sure to call her. I would have been able to bang but her family was in the house.


            Some women crave assholes. That's just how it is.

            Also, you weren't an ass. You were just assertive. I was actually an ass. She laughed and called it humor, but when I called her a snagged toothed, conceited slut, I was actually being serious.

            It's how you say it, not what you say

            [–]sumethreuaweiei 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            How'd you keep her still attracted on the way back? How'd you start fuckin, did you close the door and just start making out?

            [–]ohRyZze[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            Honestly i am sure you are gonna cringe but fuck it. In the bus it was pretty mellow we were still drunk as fuck and talked about eeeverything. At home we sat at the couch foe like 5 sec because it was my first time in the situation an i really cringed out. She told me she wanted to watch a mpvie tho so we lie in my bed watch some movie on the laptop and i fucking nodded out because i was so tired. She just kept watching lol and eventually asking if i am allright. Suddenly the laptop goes black and we realize we didnt plug it in. That was the moment when my brain clicked again and told me to not be a cuck. I told myself fuck it and said "yo this has to be a sign lets get naked". Well and then you know what follows. We went to the shower after that banged there again went to bed banged again and eventually fell asleep.

            [–]Questionnaire7 0 points1 point  (9 children)

            How did you find out so much later she cheated?

            [–]ohRyZze[S] 2 points3 points  (8 children)

            I never knew anyone from her friends circle. She had her graduation and obviously i was there. Suddenly a girl approaches me and tells me she cheated on me with her boyfirned. I didnt believe it at first but then she shoved me a cpnversation with her

            [–]Questionnaire7 0 points1 point  (7 children)

            She cheated on you with this other girls BF? wow

            [–]ohRyZze[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

            Yep. Honestly she is retarded. Her whole class mates hate her because of that i just never knew any of those who could have told me

            [–]Questionnaire7 0 points1 point  (5 children)

            Hopefully this other girl isnt with that guy anymore

            [–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Have an up vote. More, more, more field reports like that. It took you only 2 days. Godspeed.

            [–]Expectations1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The thing is, treating them like shit works short term, what it does is it makes it appear like you have something other than what the usual AFC has going on

            [–]bearinfoxhole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Good boy! I opened a cookie box on your name.

            [–]Danwphoto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            What does the term side bar mean?

            [–]TehJimmyy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            What made you finally so smooth ?

            [–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I was just really mad about my gf so i really wanted to bang a chick that night. So i started browsing all the forums

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Doesn't sound like you treated her like "shit".

            [–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            In my experience, the phrase "treating girls like shit makes them want you" has two particular contexts. In the dating stage, it is not about actually treating them like shit but having an indifference about them. It is being "outcome independent" and enjoying your life for you.

            The second context is when you actually get into bed. You get your clothes off and then drop this bomb: "Do you want to make love gently or rough?"

            A show of hands, please. (My experience has been a 30/70 split. . .give or take.)

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

            Great, in my opinion to be dominant you need to lead and break rapport. In your FR you're leading, and when you tried to be a dick you probably intentionally or unintentionally adjusted your tonality and body language to be more of a rapport breaking one.

            So when you lead, speak in a rapport breaking tonality and be calm in any situation (strong frame) you're 100% dominant, without treating anyone like shit( if you want)

            [–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            I donr get the whole breaking rapport. What does rapport even mean

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            Most people talk with a tonality that goes up at the end, and the worst is when they talk up at the beginning too or even the whole sentence. that is called rapport seeking tonality, you're talking in a way like you want something of the other person this also immediately makes you seem low status because a dominant man never ever needs anything from anyone.

            When you're talking with a rapport breaking tonality, your voice sounds deeper and it trails off with a downwards tonality. when you speak this way it communicates like you don't care about being friends with them or having rapport with them or needing anything.

            Most people miscalculate the tone that their speaking in, especially when they are talking to girls, or anyone of high status.

            [–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Fucking great thx. Didnt really consider that untill mow

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Try it out and let me know if you see the difference, If you're unsure how your voice and tonality sound like, record your voice in situations most people tend to seek rapport (girls, boss, meeting new people etc..) to find out what your tonality is. then improve by practicing. It is unbelievable how much impact your voice, tonality, eye contact and body language have on your perceived status.

            [–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Wednesday i go out again and friday I have a date so there will most likely be a field report which is more detailed and i will include my tonality.

            [–]_foursix_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Girls with a low self esteem are like this. A man with an ego can be just what a girl like that needs for gratification of her own esteem or, because they're weak willed, will overly rely on the guy's opinion of her. On a very low level you both won I suppose.

            [–]ransay3277 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Just so you know... Were proud of you.

            [–]insoucianc -4 points-3 points  (15 children)

            Just be mindful that this won't work on every girl. TRP is tailored to a specific demographic of women.

            [–]ohRyZze[S] 9 points10 points  (11 children)

            Which demographic if i may ask?. I thought the whole message is that every woman is like that but some show it less and some more

            [–]insoucianc 25 points26 points  (8 children)

            There's two demographics to be aware of: 1. Women that respond to masculine polarity (almost all) & 2. Women that value your particular type of masculinity (very few). While all women respond positively to a strong, confident, and charismatic man not all will go for a dudebro who only lifts and reads the sidebar. Women that respond to that kind of man are typically low value and not worth committing to beyond draining your balls in their throat, which is often the goal of subscribers here so that isn't necessarily a bad thing. However, if you want a high value girl you need to go beyond the basics taught here and develop yourself inwardly rather than just outwardly by developing a specialization that you are dominant at: intelligence, introspection, insight, and income to name a few. You also need to learn how to pass comfort tests if you want a long-term relationship, as being a Chad at all times is going to eventually put women you want a committed relationship to off, even if they were initially attracted to your physical, sexual, and aggressive approach of applying red pill principles. Ultimately, while the foundation of fatherly attributes such as confidence and outcome independence and control is necessary, different women value different things in a man. Some prefer big muscles, some prefer big brains, some prefer big hearts, most prefer a balanced mix of all three; the key is to decide which ones you prefer and then develop those attributes and put yourself into situations where those types of women are abundant.

            [–]WolfofAnarchy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I was afraid you were a BP lurker when you made that first comment - but this is one of the best comments I've read on here. Kudos, my friend.

            [–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Thanks dude allways willing to learn. As i said this wasnt the guide to how to do it much rather an experience from first time trying to apply the principals. Obviously you learn with time how to apöly them propperly

            [–]celincelin 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            some prefer big brains, some prefer big hearts

            Just no. Unfortunately. Get rid of this fantasy as soon as possible, boyo.

            [–]The_M0rning_Star 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            Big brains = big money, big hearts = good dad material. Two things chicks melt into puddles for...even if they aren't looking to get into a relationship OR have babies. Not a fantasy...just not as feel good as it initially sounds.

            [–]celincelin 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Big brains = big money

            No. It takes a lot to be a self made millionaire, but big brains is not in the list. Here's an example -- in Jobs/Wozniak killer duo, Wozniak was the big brains, and Jobs was the big money.

            Overall, you are talking about something that's called "beta bux" even on this very sub. That means you are a walking ATM, and it has nothing to do with sexual attraction.

            [–]insoucianc 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            A fool and his money are quickly separated, you need intelligence to continually grow and maintain wealth. Also, while being a dudebro can be excellent for initial attraction it will not sustain the committed and loving relationship necessary for raising happy, healthy, and wealthy offspring.

            [–]celincelin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            No big brains doesn't mean a fool yet.

            There can't be a "loving relationship" without initial attraction.

            [–]Banincoming 10 points11 points  (1 child)

            The demographic is 95% of women. The other 5% are lesbians, and it only works on them 40% of the time.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            This is dead wrong. Trp is not tailored to a specific type of women at all.

            [–]Pro_Like_Me 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            maybe its tailored to all women but not all women respond the same way or think the same

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