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Red Pill TheoryHypergamy 101 - Women See Men the Way Men See Jobs (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorGarl_Vinland

Imagine this: You have spent the better part of your life learning the skills necessary for your career. You've landed a job at a decent company, and over several years you have proven your value at what you do. Now that you are in your prime, even more opportunities are opening up. Better companies are courting you, with better packages than you are getting now. Left and right you get offers to work elsewhere. You are told how valuable you are. Your skills are exactly what they're looking for. You're wined and dined by all the big players in the industry, validated at every turn.

Do you stay with your current company out of loyalty?

Fuck no. You make the proper business decision and go with the best offer, because that's all it is; a business decision. Your friends don't berate you for leaving your old company. You found a better deal, of course you took it.

Should you take a low offer from a company that is barely surviving, that would be entirely dependent on you to do more than you would enjoy, for little to no extra compensation?

Fuck no. You go with the one that benefits you the most. You have what they want, and they will compensate you generously for it.

Should you have quit your old job before entertaining the idea of taking a new one?

Fuck no. You've been told your whole life that you don't quit a job until you've got another one lined up. What if you can't find one right away?

These are basic examples of the way most men view their jobs. You make the best decision for yourself. Morality has little to nothing to do with it.

Different people want different experiences. Some people want to go with the established company, where they will feel safe and secure in their future. Some people want to joing a startup, where they have more flexibility and a prospect for even better future. Again, these are just business decisions you will make, often dependent on where you are at in life.

Most women have spent their majority of their lives learning one skill above all others: How to attract and manage men. Their hypergamous nature leads them to the same conclusions about men as I described above regarding jobs. They show little to no remorse about it because it really is just a business decision to them. Which company do I attach myself to? The best one of course!

The main difference is secrecy. In business, this is all universally understood. Business is transactional by nature. Nobody argues that. But suggest that interpersonal relations are transactional by nature as well and you are labeled a sociopath.

By convincing men that relationships are not transactional, women hold more power. You should just love her for who she is. After all, she's different than those girls anyways.


[–]awakenedmale 123 points124 points  (7 children)

Good analysis. You forgot to use yet another apt analogy - those that jump from job to job too quickly become unemployable very quickly.

The message for the men, especially those who aren't millionaires, is to be a fulfilling startup company, or an NGO with lofty goals. A certain demographic of women will go for them, regardless. It will be a very small demographic, but those are the one's worth admitting into your lives.

[–]1DRMMR76 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is a very important point, and just as apt and spot on as the rest of the metaphor.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Also forgotten in this metaphor is the dudes who start their own business and don't need a job from someone else anymore. When his need for a job drops to nil then he doesn't bother looking for a job anymore. Just like women when their ability to attract a man drops to nil, they suddenly don't need a man. Am I right?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also forgotten in this metaphor is the dudes who start their own business and don't need a job from someone else other employees anymore.

I think that's more accurate. We're the ones running the business. If you're running a business where you wouldn't benefit from hiring any additional employees, you're running lean and efficient and it would simply be an additional labor expense rather than fill a necessary position or expand operations, that's what you're going for I think. It's not the men who are looking for the job in the metaphor.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those that jump from job to job become unemployable very quickly

Unless you have high market value. Then you get another job. It's not too different than consulting. Don't forget the consultants - high value, high performing, injection of a solution that some companies need and are willing to pay for.

In this analogy, that can be a woman with high sexual market value. She can go from man to man. But the k

[–][deleted] 355 points356 points  (20 children)

This is a great post. Simple, accurate, true.

This post highlights something I've realized recently: we are far from callous uncaring monsters. Actually, empathy is the foundation of the Red Pill.

The entirety of TRP is based on an extraordinarily empathetic view of women. The whole philosophy is based in putting yourself in a woman's shoes and trying to figure out what you would want if you were in her position.

Even the concepts of "Alphas" and "Betas" are rooted in a foundation of empathy. The Alpha/Beta concept is not very useful in life... unless you're thinking from a woman's perspective. These concepts are simply our best way of abstracting the principles that women seem to operate by.

If I were a woman, I would definitely allow submissive men to lavish me with gifts while I pursued the best possible partners. That is exactly what they do: AF/BB. But we can only arrive at the concept of AF/BB if we first empathize with women and feel their inner drives and desires.

In fact, it's the Blue Pillers that lack empathy. If they ever put themselves in a woman's shoes, they would immediately realize, for example, that women universally like fit men. Then they would go lift.

But the Blue Pillers never empathize with women. They assume that women are weak retards who can be "manipulated" into having sex. Since Blue Pillers lack empathy, they never realize that women are actually real people with their own agency... And frankly, the Blue Pill idea that women are dumb enough to be "manipulated" into sex by dudes like us strikes me as downright misogynist.

The whole philosophy of The Red Pill is based on empathizing with women and trying to give them what they want.

Your post is great, with a pretty masterful use of metaphor. The linguistic devices you chose have the effect of gradually and subtly showing me how to empathize with women.

You use the metaphor of the "job" because every man is familiar with it, and then you apply this metaphor in an inventive way to describe how women view men. Your post rings true as fuck to me, because it's simple, easy to understand, and thought-provoking.

The Red Pill: Empathetic Misogyny for Articulate Douchebags.

[–]ICanHearYouTick 43 points44 points  (9 children)

[BPs] assume that women are weak retards who can be "manipulated" into having sex. Since Blue Pillers lack empathy, they never realize that women are actually real people with their own agency...

Do they ?

I think they genuinely believe that by doing such and such (self-abnegation and shit), women will be attracted to them. They (most) aren't being disingenuous in their behavior. I know I wasn't.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

The BP mentality is "if I'm nice, do things for her, and buy things for her, she'll just have to reward me with sex and companionship"

Now just think of how that sounds to a women and you'll understand why they get so creeped out by friend zoned betas who admit their desire to be intimate.

What women think is "OMG he expects sex just for being my friend?! That is so fucked up!"

Ultimately women despise anything which decreases their sexual agency and limits their hypergamous nature. The BP mentality implies that sex can be bought through favors, gifts and friendships much like you'd expect the guy at best buy to hand you an Xbox one when you give him $300. When BP guys (especially friend zoned ones) get rejected they get pissed and confused just like you would if the guy at best buy refused to give you an Xbox One despite having the money for it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So...you're saying that women like the challenge of fucking hot dudes, just like men like the challenge of fucking hot chicks?

[–]sex_neutral_pronoun 14 points15 points  (6 children)

I think it's a mix of both. The admixture of nicety with deception. When I was a BP, I did mental backflips at once thinking that women enjoyed truly respectful men and avoided overtly "asshole" behavior. But my attitude was based in the idea that they couldn't see me for what I really was, a wolf in sheep's clothing. I felt them to be stupid because they couldn't see me for that. So yea, it was never wholly one thing or the other.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 21 points22 points  (4 children)

they couldn't see me for what I really was, a wolf in sheep's clothing.

They wanted the carnivore. You fucked it up by faking a "nice" herbivore. Acting feminine to get closer - what is that... Ninja Gay Game?

On the scale of Nice versus Nasty, there's no need to move the needle from neutral. It's the scale of Confidence versus Wimpy that a woman is more interested in. And ramping up the Nice can be easily misinterpreteded as Wimpy.

[–]sex_neutral_pronoun 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Acting feminine to get closer - what is that... Ninja Gay Game?

Not feminine. Interested. Interested in what they say, think, etc. It didn't work. That was then. But I take your point.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Glad you're past it... There's an epedemic of Nice Guy contortions going on - guys desperately trying to weasel their way into pussy. Women hate that shit in a guy. They lose all trust and respect.

[–]WS6Grumbles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that was me. Had to have it beat out of me.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ninja Gay Game

10/10 turn of phrase. These Betas are black-belt Ninja Gays.

[–]--Edog-- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This. Blue Pill = Wolf in Sheep's Clothing.

[–]RPthrowaway123 7 points8 points  (1 child)

That's a pretty good way of putting it. I think we put ourselves in their shoes and then try to logically understand their actions - we try to follow the hamster and see why it is doing what it's doing.

[–]fap_the_pain_away 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's what any good hunter does.

[–]tompanz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whenever a man is trying to figure out women, there are women telling him he's wrong no matter how right he is. They pride themselves in cultivating an air of "mystery". There's nothing worse than a man figuring out that women are just irrational and emotional people, and not the unpredictable goddess they try so hard to appear as.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Having empathy for and an understanding of women is a key to success with them.

[–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (3 children)

success in spite of them. We provide the value, the work, the guidance, the strategy while they provide ovaries and a pretty face while young. We need offspring, we need entertaining good sex, but other than that most women contribute no added value. SOME do of course but taking them all in we can write off most of them in that role.

Quite likely we'll see a race to the bottom for the majority of men too but it's taking longer since men have no choice but to work harder to get anything like a meal or a place to live.

[–]rprando 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Depends on how you look at it. The man provides for the majority of life's necessities, absolutely. But certain young women do provide charm and can make social gatherings much more enjoyable. Mothers and wives can also be extremely good care-givers. Just today I went in to get some wounds redressed from a motorcycle accident and the old lady treating me was a sweetheart. It really cheered me up. I recently lost both my mother and grandmother and I've gotta say that it made a substantial impact. Yes, my dad still brings home the money to pay for my school, but my mother was the one who organized all the family gatherings, kept me in touch with other relatives, would take care of errands and other hassles in our lives, and generally just made things more enjoyable.

Had it been my Dad, however, I imagine things would be much worse. So yes, men provide more overall for society and their families, but women, especially the right women, can have more utility than just birthing children. Unfortunately, girls today are being taught that they don't have to provide anything, which is validated by blue/purple pill guys who never demand anything of women. This way of thinking is basically institutionalized at this point. Even if you find a girl that was raised well you have to take some time to condition her and make it known that she will do her share and do it with a fucking smile on her face.

Viewing women as completely useless could actually prevent you from getting utility from them, although I completely understand that sentiment.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Honestly women given every chance to be useful have shown me pretty much just one use: being a hot girl with a wet hole. If not hot or not wet then no use.

Even if you find a girl that was raised well you have to take some time to condition her and make it known that she will do her share and do it with a fucking smile on her face.

NO, being raised well includes that from birth. That's how women used to be raised. The ones who are 60+ today were raised that way FROM BIRTH. Their parents taught them so husbands DIDN'T need to.

But certain young women do provide charm and can make social gatherings much more enjoyable.

Ya... the kind where they dance wearing nothing or nearly nothing.

[–]rprando 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like hot and wet and the cherry on top too.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 27 points28 points  (10 children)

Most women have spent their majority of their lives learning one skill above all others: How to attract and manage men.

At one point true. It seems there is a counter trend now though; women don't even feel as though they should have to work at it any more.

From what I read, this can be seen in the youngest ones now in college; it is certainly true in the post wall crowd.

Fat shaming, short (and/or wildly colored) hair on women, aggressive unfeminine women - all outgrowth of women's abandoning the idea that they should work to be attractive.

I think this is hilarious; absent attraction, women will also become unable to manage men. Without the carrot of desire, they will have no leverage. Well, voting, but to the extent it is observed the constitution puts limits on what they can do.

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      [–]JG60 11 points12 points  (3 children)

      They already exist. They're simply re-branded as tax-breaks. Thinks about it, a tax break is essentially increased tax on anyone not receiving the break. These tax breaks include the deduction system, head of household, and dozens of others.

      A tax break for single moms is equivalent to saying "we would like single men to pay for services provided to single moms"

      [–]WS6Grumbles 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      EIC only helps people with kids. I make less now than I did married and no longer qualify.

      [–]Shiningknight12 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      They're simply re-branded as tax-breaks.

      Thats somewhat of a myth though. There aren't any straight tax breaks for being married. You might benefit depending on your finances and work related benefits, but there are downsides as well.

      For instance, if you have kids and your wife doesn't earn much, she loses out on the Earned Income Tax Credit which she could qualify for if you weren't married.

      [–]JG60 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      No, it's not a myth. The earned income credit is a perfect example because it only affects people with kids. So if a woman fails to secure or maintain her Beta Bux then were going to impose a tax on everyone else to give her money. You're argument that it would not affect a married woman is irrelevant. She kept her beta bux.

      TL/DR Your counterpoint is equivalent to arguing that a corvette isn't fast because many airplanes are faster.

      [–]1oldredder 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      already did: tax everyone near-equally at the base level then offer credits/rebates that only women can get. That's still a bachelor tax. It's more lines of tax code but I've never met a government that didn't love adding more lines of tax code to get the same financial result.

      [–]1oldredder 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Women may portray to you & a group of men they don't have to work for it but they all admit to each other they do have to work for it. Men have needs, emotions, habits, expectations and value from work or potential for it and how a woman manages all those things controls how well she gets her man to be her man rather than a man free to wander to any woman.

      [–]Shiningknight12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Fat shaming, short (and/or wildly colored) hair on women, aggressive unfeminine women -

      Eh this is bigger on the internet than it is IRL. You do see those women but most of them are still pretty normal. The main issue is lack of hobbies and being glued to their phone, but thats true of guys as well.

      [–][deleted] 62 points63 points  (19 children)

      A lot of new subscribers read this kind of shit and think it's depressing. For any newbies reading this, I'd just like to remind you that corporation you work for is worth a lot more money than the workers they hire and the CEO will live way better than you do. Consider yourself lucky that you're a man.

      [–]tuxedoburrito 7 points8 points  (18 children)

      Could you explain what you mean by this?

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        [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

        It's harder to be a man/CEO/corporation but you can rise to far greater heights and live a much more rewarding life.

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          [–]Merwebb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yeah. Also the level and capacity of your workers are directly related to your company drive and goals

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          [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 56 points57 points  (7 children)

          Very good example. Spot on. The only thing I would say in this example is that you should think of it like an actress taking job offers. When she is young and pretty, the offers flood in from everywhere and she jumps from one movie to the next for 20 million a flick, then as she ages (see almost any hot actress from the 90's), the offers start to dry up from the lead roles in blockbusters, and move to the supporting/older woman roles in the indie flicks or low budget movies.

          By the end, the actress either embraces that she is the older woman now and takes those roles, settles down with a TV show, or takes starring roles in cheap movies that no one cares about, just to hold onto her last bit of fame and relevance.

          Good analogy above none the less.

          [–]RPthrowaway123 29 points30 points  (0 children)

          Or she goes full Madonna, and waves her tits around while everyone is screaming PUT THAT SHIT AWAY!

          [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          Voice acting is the mark of the falling actress.

          A recent actress that followed this path is Zooey Deschanel. When was the last you heard of her?

          She really got a lot of movies from 2005-2009, 25-29, and then really began to pitter out, so New Girl starts at 31 in 2011, which apparently she's leaving, but, to what? Some movie you've never heard of called "The Driftless Area".

          No one has cared about Jessica Alba since 2007

          Jennifer Anniston was at her height during Friends, but didn't have a career after it besides in mid-budget comedies that were pumped out by studies to turn a profit during summer and christmas seasons. Friends started when she was 25.

          Angelina Jolie gets roles that are directly related to her age like Maleficent. Maleficent was 2014, and the last thing she did before that was Kung Fu Panda in 2011, voice acting, and then in 2010 for The Tourist, which was with Johnny Depp, so it wasn't a nothing movie, and Salt in 2010, which was a big budget movie that she was supposed to carry, but that no one really cared about, and no one remembers. Jolie is always tauted as a telented actress, and used to be in contention for the #1 actress, and reputation, looks, surgery, being married to Brad Pitt, all carried her to 35, in 2010, but she hasn't done anything on the same level since.

          Changeling (2008) - plays a mother

          Beowulf (2007) - Is CGI

          I think you have to go back to 2005 and Mr. & Mrs. Smith to get to something where she was really in an A-List, top of the line movie where no one thought we need a woman who is a little older to pull this off.

          So, they get some roles, but they are really cleraly running out of gas by the time they get to 30, and have one or two last hurrahs by getting roles based of what people remember them being in their 20s.

          [–]CliffordTheBigRedPil 17 points18 points  (3 children)

          Amy Schumer had a skit about this, actresses reaching their unfuckable day and settling for mom roles. It's funny how digestible redpill concepts are when it's presented as comedy.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 16 points17 points  (1 child)

          It's true. Look at Julia Roberts, Meg Ryan, Demi Moore, etc. The wall is undefeated, brahs.

          [–]LukesLikeIt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          And that's when the actress you've been waiting years for finally gets her tits out because she has to forgo her morals for respect. They are average but your mind perks them right up again like you remember. And all is well in those moments.

          [–]Prattler26 81 points82 points  (61 children)

          All true, you just forgot one aspect: women's beauty and fertility starts declining very early. They have a limited amount of time to get their best job.

          [–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (9 children)

          Holy shit I finally understand why girls like older guys. They are the best job offers while they are young (income, social status, DGAF, stability).

          Older women like younger men because they are the best job offers at that point (more energy, less commitment, more OK with pump and dump). Many older women have it made by the time they are older so social status, income, and stability in a man matter less.

          Am I onto something here or am I off base?

          [–]rpscrote 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          and the veil lifts further...

          I love the manosphere

          [–]1aguy01 13 points14 points  (1 child)

          Up until their 50's, women are interested in men older than they are. About 4-5 years older is the sweet spot. Most cougars don't really prefer younger guys, it's just that they are still driven by their desire for fit dudes, which are few and far between at their age. One OkCupid graph showed this age preference, and beyond 50 years old women prefer a guy in his 50s, regardless of her age.

          [–]BrunoOh 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          Fifty year old fit dudes won't bother with fifty year old women. There are more than enough okay looking thirty and some forty year olds to go around.

          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          You missed that older women go for younger men because they're (The men) not aware of their future options.

          Older women don't have their own status. Women acquire status from men old or young, you don't see an alpha 40 year old settling with a 40 year old woman so she has to look down the age scale.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You're onto something there. But don't forget another reason younger women like older men - the older man has done enough self-work to shed his sheep skin (Blue Pill quality) and is more comfortable with himself,with putting himself out in the world, to regularly see the wolf that he is (Red Pill quality).

          [–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 81 points82 points  (13 children)

          Except for the fact that they do not see that. They see that they are getting overly compensated in their prime years, and with society telling them that they can have it all, they feed on to that notion. It fuels their emotions and makes them feel good.

          We see and know they are going to go through a decline, but they don't, not until they hit the wall.

          [–]waitfor_ittt 32 points33 points  (11 children)

          We see and know they are going to go through a decline, but they don't, not until they hit the wall.

          Coming this summer...

          We see and know they are going through a decline...

          (Sirens blasting, helicopters scan over desolate city.) Wahhhhh

          But they don't...

          (Crashing noises, group of 35 year old women huddles, then dead silence.) "What the fuck was that?" "SHUT UP GYNA ITS NOT REAL!"

          Not until they hit...

          "Oh my god... What the... It's coming right at us. HOLY SHIT RUNNNN!"

          The Wall.

          In theatres June 21st. You can run but you can't hide.

          [–]Nicholas_ 21 points22 points  (7 children)

          I've seen girls hit the wall at 23 (serious) because of their horrible diets, smoking since they were 17 and drinking excessively every single weekend. It's pretty depressing tbh.

          [–]GC0W30 8 points9 points  (4 children)

          According to the literature that this community basically accepts as gospel, the wall is usually AT 23.

          Saying it's 30 or more is accounting for outliers.

          [–]Nicholas_ 12 points13 points  (2 children)

          the wall varies. I personally know a woman who is 36 and has yet to hit the wall. Actually looks stunning if that's the word.

          Depends a lot on their lifestyle day in and day out.

          [–]GC0W30 12 points13 points  (1 child)

          The term seems to have two definitions. One is "the age at which she's absolutely never going to get any hotter" and the other is "the threshold at which most women realize their lessened capacity to sexually compete with the next generation of women in their ‘actualized’ sexual peak (22-24)" [credits to Rational Male for this definition].

          And, yeah, under either definition, the wall varies. Could this 36-year-old really fight with her 23-year-old self over a man and win?

          [–]Nicholas_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Unsure about that since I've only known her since she was around 28 or so but she hasn't changed one bit since then. She has the case of the Pharrel Williams going on.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Lindsey Lohan is a good example of this. I have no idea how old she is/was but she looks way better in her 2007 mugshots than her 2011 one. Then she looks way better in her 2013 one than her 2011, presumably because she did rehab and probably lives a healthier lifestyle (or at least not a completely destructive one anymore)

          [–]Ovadox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Ooh, I saw a hot bar-wench do this over the last year and half. Blazing hot to wouldn't even think about it. Couldn't believe a girl could be so stupid as to piss away her most valuable asset so casually.

          [–]Hrodrik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Isn't it more "you can hide but you can't run"? You use makeup and attitude to conceal yourself but in the end it catches up to you.

          [–]103342 24 points25 points  (29 children)

          Most of them don't see it that way until around the age of 25-27 when their friends start having kids and getting married.

          After 28 most of them start to get desperate and can be annoying as fuck do deal with those.

          [–]tuxedoburrito 4 points5 points  (28 children)

          The girl I've been interested in is 28, and has hinted at marriage and wants children.

          I'm 24.

          Think this is a bad idea? That I may just be "filling a Role?"

          [–]GC0W30 24 points25 points  (14 children)

          Unless you're already a multimillionaire who has seen dozens of countries and had hundreds of awesome adventures, a woman (LTR or wife) will just hold you back at this point in life.

          Do not get into an LTR until you are already the man you want to be. It is very, very rare for you to be that man at age 24.

          Right now, you're likely showing "LTR potential" to women for the first time... you're done with training/college and you're taking home grown-up paychecks, and maybe benefits, for the first time.

          I got married close to your age instead of just spinning plates. Big mistake. Stalled my career, and kept me from a ton of adventures.

          Don't even CONSIDER a wife until you're 30.

          [–]tuxedoburrito 5 points6 points  (13 children)

          I'm listening

          Why's that?

          All my friends are beta blue pullers who are married already for years at my age. I'm considering just getting all new friends. They're cool dudes but really aren't going anywhere in their lives. Not all of them, but a lot of the ones I hangout with.

          [–]Reddthrown 12 points13 points  (3 children)

          Because a woman will want safety and your time. At 28, she'll also want kids, whom you'll want to give safety and time to.

          This means less time to do other things, such as work (and excel at your job), go to the gym, or otherwise develop yourself.

          [–]GC0W30 8 points9 points  (2 children)

          tuxedoburrito, this guy just wrote half your answer for me.

          I'll also add that on top of what he wrote, if you're TOO successful she may ACTIVELY try to fuck your career up. She will do this because she fears the very real chance that you'll replace her with better.

          Another I'll add is that a good girlfriend or wife can just dump such a huge load of happiness on you that it's hard for you to strive... I'm sure there's an evolutionary psychology phrase that covers this, but that's not my bag so someone else will have to fill us in.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          This complacency is rarely spoken of on trp, but I find it frequently on mrp. It'd be great for you to take the time and do up a thread on this for many of those swallowing who need another cup of water to help.

          I would, but I've done my posting here and I'm only interested in commentary.

          [–]GC0W30 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It'd be great for you to take the time and do up a thread on this for many of those swallowing who need another cup of water to help.

          I don't plan on writing articles for years, if ever.

          I have swallowed the pill, I accept AWALT (including my mom), but I have a ton of learning to do.

          Haven't read half of the sidebar material (some of those are LONG, and some blogs linked have been going on for years) and I still want to lift, lose weight, increase income and improve or replace my LTR before I claim to be an expert.

          When I post, I'm not posting as a subject-matter expert; I'm posting as just a middle-aged divorced guy with a little experience who has listened to his friends tell their tales. I am sharing stories, and pointing guys in the direction of good resources. Half of the guys on here have problems so simple that ANY man over 25 who has read TRP for a week and is willing to accept AWALT can figure out the problem and solution.

          There are way too many jerks on the Internet claiming to be gurus when they're failures at what they are "experts" in. I guarantee you there are PUA authors/Youtubers who couldn't get laid if you dropped them off in Bangkok with $5000, and "finance gurus" who claim to have a private jet but in reality just got their cars repoed...

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            [–]tuxedoburrito 0 points1 point  (6 children)

            Well, sex for one. I'm a Christian and the whole premarital sex thing is forbade.

            How would I lose my shit? I'm not arguing I'm genuinely wondering

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            The divorce rate in the church is greater than outside the church. Something to consider.

            [–]tuxedoburrito 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Is it? I've always heard the opposite actually

            [–]Shiningknight12 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Is it?

            Here are the actual stats showing born again Christians have much higher divorce rates.

            http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

            I have found that these churches tacitly support divorce by praising single mothers and putting all the pressure on men to make sure the relationship works. Women are twice as likely to initiate divorce as men and the churches provide them with moral cover to do so.

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              [–]tuxedoburrito 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I mean cohabitation. Companionship. Support for one another. Maybe it's just a southern American thing but man, marriage is drilled into our culture hard. Literally all of my friends are married.

              [–]Hypnot0ad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Just give it a few years. Most of my friends at work got married a few years out of college, around 23-24 years old. Almost all got divorced after 5 or 6 years.

              [–]Ovadox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              You shouldn't be interested in a girl. You should make your intentions known early so you don't waste your time if she decides she isn't interested. Also, women want men who know what they want and go after it. If you're waiting around you're 90% of the way to failure right off the bat. Do you want marriage and children? If your answer is not 100% yes without hesitation, then you should not consider this woman for a serious relationship.

              [–]Reddthrown 2 points3 points  (9 children)

              It depends but based solely on the age gap it sounds like a really bad idea.

              [–]tuxedoburrito 0 points1 point  (8 children)

              Is four years that big a difference?

              [–]Reddthrown 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              The problem is that your SMV will keep increasing while hers will lower. In 10 years you will be able to date women younger and more attractive than she is right now. She'll be 38 and ugly. What do you think will happen?

              Also, she may just be looking for someone to "fill a role" as you put it.

              [–]renegade 5 points6 points  (6 children)

              Yes, you'll really resent her being older than you at all as you get older. My ex wife was 2.5 years older. GF is 5 years younger. Very happy improvement.

              [–]tuxedoburrito 0 points1 point  (5 children)

              Why is that? Does she resent you?

              [–]rprando 3 points4 points  (4 children)

              Because, assuming you're in shape, don't look like you were dropped as a baby, and not a social outcast, you will have many more opportunities to hook up with younger hotter girls. Your gf/wife will definitely notice and start to get bitchy and resentful, even if you make it 100% clear you're hers. That bitchyness will eventually get to you and you will lose attraction to her. Basically you're doomed, unless she's a supermodel that will be smoking into her 40s.

              I'm 23 and a lot of my friends are settling into ltrs too. But fuck that noise. I'm currently seeing a girl that's 19 and have been for a while. Even though she's young, hot, sweet, good upbringing, and hasn't raised any red flags, I don't see it lasting past my graduation because I want to travel and she will be in school. I have previously dated 2 other girls who fit the bill wonderfully, one while I was studying in Sweden. And then all the plates. What I'm getting at is there are plenty of suitable matches out there. If you're afraid to leave this chick you should try to raise your smv and cure your oneitis. You will find a younger, hotter girl and be just as happy if not happier.

              [–]tuxedoburrito -1 points0 points  (1 child)

              Yeah. I've been reading and swallowing the red pill for a few weeks so some terminology is new to me. Currently reading through models and rational male, but what is SMV? And if you say read the side bar that doesn't help. There's just so much information that I'm not there yet

              [–]Shiningknight12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              but what is SMV?

              Sexual Marketplace Value. Its how valuable women will perceive you and how you perceive them based on commonly desired characteristics.

              [–]tuxedoburrito -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

              I'm definitely in shape and do modeling for a few fashion lines. I don't have problem getting girls. But it's definitely been mentioned "why are you such a ladies man?" Before. So maybe this is a blind sided problem I didn't see before

              I've almost got my whole body tattood. I mean everything that can be covered by a business suit. Only thing left is my tummy and my back. But I'm afraid getting into a relationship will hurt that. And I want a Harley. And I want to live. Man; why am I thinking about a LTR? I just want to live and travel and get tattood.

              [–]Shiningknight12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I will provide an alternate view.

              Its completely natural for a woman at her age to want kids. Thats not inherently a bad thing. The bad part is that this drive can lead to her deceiving you to get what she wants. She may not actually be attracted to you or downplaying her own flaws to get what she wants.

              If you are certain she is head over heels for you and you are certain you want kids, than go for it. Otherwise, no.

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              [–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (6 children)

              Words of wisdom from Arthur Schopenhauer:

              "In the girl nature has had in view what could in theatrical terms be called a stage-effect: it has provided her with super-abundant beauty and charm for a few years at the expense of the whole remainder of her life, so that during these years she may so capture the imagination of a man that he is carried away into undertaking to support her honorably in some form or another for the rest of her life, a step he would seem hardly likely to take for purely rational considerations. Thus nature has equipped women, as it has all creatures, with the tools and weapons she needs for securing her existence, and at just the time she needs them; in doing which nature has acted with its usual economy. For just the female ant loses its wings after mating, since they are then superfluous, indeed harmful to the business of raising the family, so the woman usually loses her beauty after one or two childbeds, and probably for the same reason."

              "One needs only to see the way she is built to realize that woman is not intended for great mental or for great physical labour."

              "Because fundamentally women exist solely for the propagation of the race and find in this their entire vocation,..."

              "Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex: for it is with this drive that all its beauty is bound up."

              "Thus it lies in the nature of women to regard everything simply as a means of capturing a man."

              All taken from Essays and Aphorisms.

              [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              All taken from Essays and Aphorisms.

              https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/essays/chapter5.html

              An erudite RP manifesto that should be read by all men at least once.

              [–]Jonoczall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Thanks for sharing this. Great read. It really adds to the validity of what TRP teaches when an actual philosopher, independent of both our time and TRP itself, espouses the same truths.

              [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              All taken from Essays and Aphorisms.

              I ordered this the other week. It's resting with the other books at the moment. Schopenhaeur and Nietzsche are among some of my favourite philosophers. Both are a very significant contribution to the field of philosophy from the Germans.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              I agree. Schopenhauer is my favorite German philosopher because of his Eastern-influenced thought. Nietzsche was good too.

              I've tried to get through Hegel and Kant and just haven't been able to.

              [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I think Schopenhauer is well-liked not just for his quality of thinking, but likewise for his quality of prose. He was a good writer. A lot of philosophers are apt logicians, but don't write good prose. The logic is so raw and devoid of any artistic flair, which means it doesn't make for an enjoyable read. I get the feeling Kant's Critique of Pure Reason is going to be like that, although I may just be talking out of my ass because I haven't read it yet. (I was told to read Kant first to understand Schopenhauer's the world as will and representation.)

              Effectively, even for the intelligent, it is a slog to get through - like an academic paper, it is knowledge dense. The best way to communicate a way of thinking, IMO, necessitates an engaging if not aesthetically pleasing form of prose. Of course if you use rhetorical devices such as hyperbole and sarcasm for entertainment purposes, someone somewhere down the line is going to misinterpret what you're saying, and the knowledge of what you were trying to communicate is lost/vitiated by the passage of time and the re-interpretations that come with that.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Schopenhauer is an easy ready...no reading of Kant beforehand is necessary. World as Will and Representation and Essays and Aphorisms are great books. I've made it about 119 pgs. through Critique of Pure Reason and roughly 84 pages of Phenomenology of Spirit. I just keep finding reasons to read other things. It becomes difficult to follow especially when a dictionary is necessary every page.

              I picked up Being and Nothingness and read a few pages. Ugh. One day I'll make it through all of them.

              [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 14 points15 points  (0 children)

              This is exactly why I keep women in what I think of as "job interview mode". As long as I refuse to give full commitment, they dress nice, talk nice, do nice things for me. As soon as I commit myself fully to a relationship, a lot of that nice stuff goes in the can and their real nature comes out.

              [–]stevredpill 81 points82 points  (1 child)

              TL;DR

              Men are Hoes in the Working World.

              Women are Hoes.

              [–]ManOfGrapes 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              God this is gold. I laughed, but such a perfect way to describe it.

              [–]eaton80 12 points13 points  (1 child)

              Spot on explanation for how quickly women seem to leave husbands who have run into hard times financially or health wise.

              This analogy must be incorporated into sidebar knowledge.

              [–]scarletspider3 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              It is how women view relationships. They just don't realize that they accumulate mileage/baggage along the way. Most of them have such a surplus of validation growing up that it takes them awhile after the wall for all the reserves to dry up and that's when they start thinking about retirement with a BB.

              [–]cariboo_j 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              So true. The maddening part is that most men don't realize this is how women operate. If men truly internalized this idea oneitis would disappear.

              I wish I knew this in my younger days.

              [–]1reph 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              The comparison works in the other direction too: wise employers often pretend to love their employees, providing dinner, laundry services, etc, because BB often work harder in response to that.

              [–]balancespec2 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              Ehh. I view relationships as transactional and I'm a guy.

              Women are cars to me, college girls are the brand new models and the only reason I'd drive one over 30 is for stability and low maintenance. I'll probably keep a 30 year old as a daily driver and rent 20 year olds on the weekends and film myself with them at the drag strip.

              [–]FrameWalker 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              In the way of the superior man a central point of emphasis is that the essence of masculinity is mission oriented while the femine essence is love oriented.

              A man who is aligned with his goals and mission is at ease, regardless of how his ltr/plates are. A woman achieves that state when she is externally validated by her lover, even if work is going poorly.

              Even though we love work, we are skillfully opportunistic, we must be because it's our life. Same goes for women regarding men.

              [–]cariboo_j 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              That is evolutionary baggage left over from prehistoric times.

              In 2015 it is a maladaptation and serves mostly to harm men (except the few of us fortunate enough to be aware of it).

              [–]DawnoftheShred 6 points7 points  (10 children)

              I was thinking the other day about how back in hunter gatherer days the man in the tribe who was the strongest, or best hunter and warrior, was probably the most sought after male in the tribe. Would this be correct?

              If so, it totally makes sense that the most fit man with highest earning potential (ability to bring home food and provide protection) would always be sought after.

              But then you have a split in modern society bc you don't need to be fit to make good money, and if you make good money, even if you're a fat slob, that money can buy protection in the form of living in a safe neighborhood, providing a big safe/new car, etc., for the woman and children.

              But that still leaves the woman with desire for an alpha warrior...so is this where we've ended up as a society?

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                [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that tribes acted this way.

                [–]laserdicks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                I think he means that tribes are now acting in this way.

                [–]NormanoSilurian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Think of a Mafia family. Do the soldiers get some of the goodies? - hell yeah, its part of what makes a functioning team.

                [–]Hrodrik 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                I think that the new wave of untouchable powerful men, resistant to violent revolution, may be behind the increasingly worse female behavior. As it is harder and harder for a simple hard working man to sustain a family, women are more and more eager to jump ship.

                It kind of goes against a view that is often shared in this sub, that social democracy is why women are the way they are (makes no sense if you ask me).

                [–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                It is one of many intentional chain-reactions: taxes, feminism, inane laws to jail or potential jail people for normal activities, theft directly by banks from employees, employers, random citizens, even feeding the homeless is now a crime in many places - all for control. Government top-side control of the masses requires many points of leverage. Feminism is one of them. It's a means, not a goal.

                [–]reddiforlove 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Yes, this is exactly why with the rise of third wave feminism and the collapse of marriage, we have arrived at Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks.

                And just as aggression and strength (or cunning and intellect) were traits that males needed to survive and procreate in those days, it would follow that the women who passed on their genes were the ones who were best able to adapt to being "taken" by the alphas. This is why nice guys have literally no chance with women. Something to consider...

                [–]skoobled 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                I posted about the exact same thing awhile ago. It's a great analogy. Sex is to women what work is to men, in every way

                [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                Great post. A good friend of mine was ranting about his girlfriend the other day and I told him something similar to this post without using the business analogy. This guy is really insecure, emotional, low-wage job as a bank teller, no prospects or goals for the future, he's pretty much your textbook beta. Decently good looking physically and dresses well too.

                What I said it really comes down to is "happiness" whatever that may be for the individual. I said to him "If you're dating someone and you're not happy or having your needs met, and someone comes along that makes you happy and fulfills your needs, it would be wrong NOT TO CHEAT ON YOUR PARTNER." The new chick has pretty much solved all (or if not at least a few) of the problems you have with your girlfriend, she's clearly a better candidate and it would be wrong to not give her the time of day. Plus, the dread might wake your current girlfriend up to get her shit together and start making her man happy or he's gonna bounce.

                Why? Well they clearly don't give a fuck about you if your needs aren't being met (I'm talking basic stuff like regular sex, emotional fulfillment, respect etc..) not things that are ridiculous like expecting your wife to do anal 5 times a day with you for the rest of your marriage.

                My last girlfriend left me because I was a beta loser who lived with his mom and really had no goals or aspirations kind of like my friend (although, my girlfriend didn't either; hence "equality" (rolls eyes)). She met some guy who was physically better looking than me, made more money, had his own place, and had "cooler" friends. I don't blame her for leaving me at all, she made a good decision on her part, despite me being heartbroken. Good things will always come at a cost.

                That being said; later on I swallowed the pill and learned how things really work. I put the pieces together and it all made sense why she left me even though she said how much she loved me and how I was "the one". She said all of that stuff in the beginning stages of the relationship when I was happy and fairly successful. Toward the end of the relationship, I had let myself slide a lot and was near rock bottom because I put off all of my interests and passions to spend time with her due to my blue pill conditioning-what are you going to do? get on a life-boat or stay on the ship while it sinks?

                [–]newls -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                I see what you're saying but your friend is an omega, not a beta. A beta is a provider, someone who is insecure, emotional, and thirsty but makes money. Women see them for the resource they can provide.

                An omega is a complete loser who provides neither alpha fucks nor beta bucks.

                [–]Nicolay77 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Omega is too nice a letter to be wasted in that definition. It also conflicts with its meaning in computational mathematics.

                What about Epsilon?

                It matches with its mathematical usual meaning, as an arbitrarily small quantity.

                "Ohh, that dude is so Epsilon. I have Lambda friends."

                [–]fap_the_pain_away 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                A theory is better than a fact. A theory is an explanation that incorporates many facts. It unites seemingly unrelated events and puts them into a single story.

                A good theory is a simple explanation that unites a lot of facts together at once. It has a strong explanation:fact ratio.

                This right here is a damn good theory.

                [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (6 children)

                man this place is depressing

                [–]Hrodrik 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                Reality usually is. It's known that ignorance is bliss.

                [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                I think that's the first stage.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                It's commonly known that too much perspective can be a downer. (Randall Munroe)

                [–]One_friendship_plz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                It's because it's depressing that it sticks. Things that are more emotionally stimulating stick harder to our conscious, that's why women have a better memory than men, because they find things more emotionally stimulating, and a lot more frequently.

                We can't be neutral about our opinions, we need to be blunt regardless of how people feel about the situation.

                TRP cleverly words the truth in such a fashion that you're going to think long and hard about what comes from here whether you want to or not.

                [–]laserdicks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                At first. But it's liberating. And once you learn to live in the freedom the cheap bliss of ignorance turns into a lasting satisfaction which in my opinion is unmatched. And I'm applying this to everything, not just the red pill.

                [–]Merwebb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Embrace it or go back to the darkess of ignorance

                [–]1favours_of_the_moon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Most women have spent their majority of their lives learning one skill above all others: How to attract and manage men. Their hypergamous nature leads them to the same conclusions about men as I described above regarding jobs. They show little to no remorse about it because it really is just a business decision to them. Which company do I attach myself to? The best one of course!

                The main difference is secrecy. In business, this is all universally understood. Business is transactional by nature. Nobody argues that. But suggest that interpersonal relations are transactional by nature as well and you are labeled a sociopath.

                By convincing men that relationships are not transactional, women hold more power. You should just love her for who she is. After all, she's different than those girls anyways.

                In other words, we are constantly lied to straight to our faces for our entire lives. And we're supposed to just agree that there's nothing wrong with that.

                [–]648262[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Great post, +A!

                I remember someone here saying "men conquer the world, women conquer men", which aligns neatly with this.

                It's interesting that there are women who excel in business, and there are men who excel in the female world - but these people don't really get any respect for it.

                [–]wearnocrowns 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Nicely put. Nothing inherently bad about it. Perceiving surrounding reality as a job market is a challenge. Once you accept it as such you're naturally compelled to build yourself up to being a noteworthy company.

                You need to become a functioning company in the first place in order to employ people. And you will not tolerate a sponger or someone who doesn't contribute something you deem valuable or welcome.

                [–]Venkas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Dude im so saving this post. Great write up.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Great post, if I still were on my past beta ways, this post would force the pill right into my bloodstream in a second, excellent analogy.

                [–]Stand_Your_Ground_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                The only reason you would ever stay as a manager of a not very successful workplace is if you thought you could drag it up to being amazing because you thought it had potential. Employess that can do this/workplaces with potential like this are incredibly rare.

                This metaphor carries over. Girls who want to make you improve, and guys that have the willingness to improve - both rare, and that's why you must always self improve, to be the best YOU you can be.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                This helps explain why women want to married so bad. Wouldn't you want to sign a contract with a company in which you don't even have to show up anymore and still get paid?

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Don't men sometimes do this with women too? Yes, AWALT, but men aren't perfect either. Be realistic gentlemen.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                This comment was edited by /u/spez #ImWithHer What is this?

                [–]DEVi4TION 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I do the same shit with my women. I upgrade when possible.

                [–]plentyoffishes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                If a relationship is not transactional, what is it?

                Women not recognizing this is why they have so many problems.

                To the OP: Do you think this means guys should always be trading up? As she hits the wall, move on to someone younger?

                [–]pencilpusher13 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Oh man, i don't agree worth this at all. Most women stay with the guy even if they can get something better. At least in my experience. We're so afford of being alone that we settle. I'm sorry, maybe I'm reading this won't but this is so opposite.

                Again, in my experience, 80% of the time, my girlfriends were left by their boyfriends. 80% of those were from women who knew the relationship sucked, or the guy doesn't really like her. Yet they never had the balls to dump them because they had this idea that they needed to get married asap and have babies asap to the hot guy asap. Mind you, we are ages 27-30, worth all of this happening in that age period.

                Idk. Maybe not what you meant, but o took this post as a thought that women make business decisions about their relationship BUT (important) based on what's best for them. But what i see in real life is women making choices based on what they are jealous of.

                [–]evoblade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                This is a great point. I'll be saving this for future reference.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Women acknowledge this amongst themselves while these simps still hold out hope that what they believe about women isn't a lie.

                [–]thermality 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                As valid as many of these points may be, I find it difficult to reconcile them with humanism.

                [–]bitches_be_crazy86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Overall good analysis but there is one problem. It describes betas and traditional relationships.

                [–]TreePlusTree 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                And BB have such a nice retirement package

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The Gervais Principle comes to mind. Men are the Clueless. The poor, poor bastards. Competent, Passionate about their role etc.

                Women are Losers and Psychos. Both enter and leave relationships at a whim, both are typically incompetent. The Self aware female looser tries to as little work as possible to avoid being fired. The Psyco is manipulative and cross dealing.

                [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                That's the main difference of the way we raise the prime genders. One is taught to find fulfillment in another person (finding her prince charming) and the other is taught to find fulfillment through the intent of his deeds (the knight that saves her).

                These differences are just a consequence of that.