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OP's girlfriend of 4 years breaks up with him, sleeps with the local Chad, then asks if they can get back together. He considers it. This is your brain on BluePill. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: Girlfriend of 4 years suddenly breaks up, sucks strange dick for a month, comes back. OP seriously considers taking her back like nothing happened. This... is what happens when you're brainwashed by society and feminism.

Full thread here.

For those of you who would like a back story, here it is.

My girlfriend and I have been dating for 4 and half years. We were going to move in together and everything but she told me she wasn't ready, and she told me a few days after that, that she wasn't happy and didn't know what she wanted. I think she suffered some depression and anxiety due to some medications. So we took a break. I know, a break is never a good thing. But I love her. I didn't want to end things, at all. So I told her to take some time to think about it and if you really don't want to be together anymore that's fine.

So we took about a month break, we talked a little bit here and there, but she came back to me very apologetic, ready to start over. So of course I took her back, I love her.

But she told me that while we were on a break, and at her best friends house, her friends cousin was there and he ended up getting my girlfriends phone number from her friend. He starting texting her and talking to her. She admitted to texting him and said she was nice to him but that's it.

So eventually he developed feelings for her and wanted to hook up. She told him she didn't feel that way about him, and didn't want to take it further. He took it badly and began threatening her and took it further and sent a Snapchat around that said he had been fucking her for the past month.

So here we are. She swears it isn't true. And I believe her. What bothers me, however, is that this took place when we were on a break. The problem, is that there is no evidence ethier way. TLDR; my girlfriend and I were on a break. She was texting a guy and he developed feelings for her. When she said she didn't feel the same way, he we t ahead and told everyone they were having sex.

EDIT: let me make one more point, I believe her because of how much effort he has put forth in retaliating against her and trying to exploit her. I saw the Snapchat. It was very mean, it was your typical response if someone had just gotten rejected.

EDIT 2: after a little research and asking around. I have found out that this guy has issues. He has abused girls before, and tweeted nasty things about them. I don't know if it makes things any clearer.

AskMen always gets threads like these once in a while, where you can tell that the guy's caveman instincts are screaming at him to run away from this woman because she's trouble - but he can't because society has told him that men are white knights who must protect the damsel no matter what.

So to recap: OP has been showering this girl with affection and love for four fucking years. And one day she gets up and walks out the door because "I'm not haaaaaaaapy". Even before we get into the rest of the post, there's your RedPill Truth #1: she's not yours, it's just your turn. If she can just leave in a flight of fancy like so, what would prevent her from doing it when you marry her? And then you'll truly be fucked due to our court and alimony system.

Anyway, so she goes on this break and comes back with a story about how a Chad-like man tried to get with her at a party and got her number. But but but but she totally didn't do anything with him!!! Just talked!!! RedPill Truth #2: trickle truth. This is a common mechanism women use to deliver bad news. Start slow, admit to doing something sort of wrong, but also end the story in a way that makes you seem moral and chaste. Then over time, if the beta pushes you for more info, slowly release more and more in a controlled manner. Never believe a woman's initial story.

And then of course, OP's juicy tidbit at the end of his post. "I have found out that this guy has issues. He has abused girls before". Girls. Not girl. Girls. As in, despite being a scumbag asshole, he still managed to attract multiple women (including OP's gf... even if they didn't bang, she gave him her number) so he could act like a douche towards them later. Compare this to your average Billy Beta computer programmer who's kind and sweet but can't even get a date. RedPill Truth #3: Girls are attracted to dangerous men. Ever wondered why all the high school bullies, the gang members, the drug lords, the sociopath Wall Street bankers end up getting the most beautiful and loyal women? It's because females, despite proclaiming that kindness/honesty/compassion is important, actually gravitate towards the most aggressive and socially dominant man in the group.

I don't want to witchhunt OP but I'll just say a look through his post history shows he's not in shape and generally is a beta male. My advice is for him to cut this chick out, lift, start enjoying some plates and regain his confidence.

Sadly, instead he will likely take her back, marry her, enter a dead bedroom, and have two kids who are oddly darker skin toned - but he'll shrug it off as some weird genetic quirk. And this is how he will live and die, because bluepill society has poisoned the minds of our men.

TL;DR: A woman's commitment to a LTR with a beta is about as strong as thin tissue paper. Do not lock yourself into marriage with these people.


[–]MasterPublishing 155 points156 points  (8 children)

She swears it isn't true. And I believe her.

... Oh boy... lol

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (6 children)

Exactly what I'm thinking. It's like when guys claim the whole "I know she would never/has never cheated"

[–]juliusstreicher 37 points38 points  (5 children)

"...because she's not that kind of girl!"

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 17 points18 points  (3 children)

"i just know it, i know her so well. we have a special bond. i just can't explain"

[–][deleted]  (2 children)

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    [–]yomo86 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    First thing you have to learn is: Talk is cheap, woman's talk is free.

    [–]merryhexmas 122 points123 points  (3 children)

    There's another bullet point to watch out for and it's how she is painting herself as the victim from the getgo. Notice how she crafts the story, the very beginning of how she met this guy:

    But she told me that while we were on a break, and at her best friends house, her friends cousin was there and he ended up getting my girlfriends phone number from her friend.

    You see that right there? She is setting herself up as some non-participant in this drama, her friend gave him her number, she certainly didn't do it. When does this ever happen or if it did when would it happen without her consent? It continues:

    He starting texting her and talking to her. She admitted to texting him and said she was nice to him but that's it.

    Again we have him doing all the action to her like texting isn't a 2 way street. Not her talking with him but he is talking at her basically.

    So eventually he developed feelings for her and wanted to hook up. She told him she didn't feel that way about him, and didn't want to take it further.

    Translation = They fucked, she regretted it and now wants back the security that OP would provide for her.

    The devil is in the details. Always notice that when a woman begins telling some drama filled tale that happened to her watch for how she crafts herself to be this unwilling participant in the whole thing. If that is happening you can be 99% sure you're being lied to. And it always starts off in the beginning details "He got my number somehow, I never gave it to him..."

    [–]MarvelousWhale 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Like reading the transcripts from an enigma machine, excellent translation!

    [–]itsmehobnob 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    he developed feelings for her

    That's just not how it works. You don't develop feelings for someone because of a few texts.

    [–][deleted] 215 points216 points  (33 children)

    Luckily, a lot of people in that thread are telling OP that she has issues and that the relationship is more trouble than it's worth. Also mentioning things like trickle-truth and all that.

    [–]RPStone 544 points545 points  (31 children)

    That was the best response.

    Day 1: Yeah I met him once or twice. Day 37: I wasn't totally honest, we had mutual friends and hung out for awhile. Day 72: Well I mean, we got drunk once and made out a little, but that was it. Day 186: Okay so we didn't just make out that night, we boned. Hard. But you and I weren't together at the time. Day 235: Well i mean, we dated for like, a week. Day 452: Well, we were dating for a week after you and I got back together. Day 827: Sooo, this baby might not be yours...

    Some people actually get it.

    [–]ransay3277 109 points110 points  (16 children)

    Best example of trickle truth I've read.

    [–]justj6sh 43 points44 points  (15 children)

    Have you ever seen Black Mirror?

    [–]axon3737 87 points88 points  (13 children)

    i love that episode, its fucking great.

    for those who haven't seen it: Black Mirror S01E03 The Entire History of You

    https://youtu.be/Sw3GIR70HAY

    [–]justj6sh 32 points33 points  (3 children)

    This really cemented the idea of trust that I've always believed. Trust is something earned and implicitly given, the second there is doubt its basically doomed.

    [–]BonelessSkinless 23 points24 points  (2 children)

    Yeah but there was truth to his doubt though. To me, whenever a girl suggests a "break" it means she wants to suck new D for the duration of said break. If you ever go on a break fuck other women. When she hits you with the "oh yeah we might have sort of" show her the pics from that night when Stacy blew you on day 2 of the break.

    [–]10211799107 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Let her confess and make her feel like shit, awkward, thinking you're gonna blow up. Then burst out laughing and take out the pics of the girls you fucked.

    Bonus if you ask her to blow you while you look at the pics and reminisce about the break that fixed your relationship.

    [–]BonelessSkinless 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    That's really the best way to do it. Pretty much the only way. As soon as she sees her loyal guy that she thought would stick with her no matter what insane stupid dumb nasty slutty shit she did is getting other girls that will only attract her more to you. Fuck her for a bit more and then Ghost after that.

    [–]AbdoulReborn 20 points21 points  (1 child)

    Jesus christ just watched that episode. My jaw was dropped the whole time. Fucking Brilliant.

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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      [–]aherne18 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Another sign she fancies the "AMOG": she acts subservient / head down, she assumes a subordinate position by default just because he has the best genes. She takes his side, laughs to his jokes, leans on him, can't control herself when he's present. If she were real life: her pupils would dilate, pulse increases, lips redden, talks non-stop rubbish to secure your attention. Then when you finally seal the deal she literally MELTS into your hands...

      This guy like a swiss made carbon copy of me! That's what I'm doing all day long: reading and interpreting what I notice! All of the things he notices I've noticed before just by concentrating on body language alone. With women, words are to be ignored...

      [–]Solon64 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Just watched that episode. Holy fuck. I was nauseated the whole time, i mean, i pray to all the gods that are or were that technology like that never exists.

      Absolutely masterful storytelling.

      [–]dons90 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Well I guess I'm now a Black Mirror fan

      [–]2IVIaskerade 60 points61 points  (7 children)

      Day 827: Sooo, this baby might not be yours...

      Isn't that usually day 6570?

      [–]MarvelousWhale 10 points11 points  (4 children)

      No, it's the day the son is legally is recognized as an adult and she is no longer given child support from the state so there's no more reason for her to keep a secret and it's one last "fuck you" after the divorce and custody battle they went thru for 9 years prior.

      [–]MuleJuiceMcQuaid 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      It doesn't always matter if you aren't the real father, you could still be paying for a bastard child under a court order.

      [–]MarvelousWhale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Someone's watched TheRedPill on Netflix lol

      [–]Throwawaysteve123456 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      You couldn't sue for reverse child support at that point? I couldn't find any cases showing that. The system is so anti-male, it makes me sick.

      [–]MarvelousWhale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Don't get mad, get Glad!

      And by Glad I mean wrap yo dick in Glad garbage bags to make sure that bitch ain't pregnant

      [–]Three_Finger_Brown 15 points16 points  (2 children)

      I just learned a former plate of mine just recently had a kid after getting back with her long term ex last summer. I last saw her about 9 months ago (no contact since) and we had been seeing each other for quite a few months. I always wore protection but you never know, I hope that idiot got a test done before signing the birth certificate, I know he knows about me because he called me from her phone last August telling me to "stop talking to her!" so I laughed, hung up and deleted her number. He must have seen my texts to her about our plans to meet up later that night and confronted her but she probably said I was just a friend or something (No, I swear we never did anything, you and I were on a break!!)

      But I am sure she is in the beginning stages of trickle truth, a few years and a good fight away from day 827....

      I am the Chad

      [–]MuleJuiceMcQuaid 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      I always wore protection but you never know

      What did you do with the condom when you were finished? Women instinctively crave a Chad baby so much they'll fish a fresh load out of the garbage.

      [–]RIPelliott 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      very proud commenter on that thread who rea- oh wait a minute I know you! word we just talked in this very same askmen thread. Cheers to us bro for doing our best to lay the truth down to him. Now its up to him if he wants to ruin his life

      [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 233 points234 points  (5 children)

      didn't know what she wanted.

      This is always an outright lie. She knows what she wants. She already knows his name. She might even already know the size of his cock. What she doesn't know is if she can keep your wallet in her orbit while she spends like with the other cock. This is blatant test. If you do anything other than point to the door, you have failed it.

      [–]BonelessSkinless 19 points20 points  (1 child)

      Exactly. As soon as she hits you with the "I want to be happy" bullshit show her the door.

      [–]Newbosterone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Or "I love you but I'm not in love with you." That means "I'll take your validation and money, but you don't give me tingles".

      [–]PLUTOKRAT 37 points38 points  (1 child)

      The slut, like all women, wants the macho genes, but the beta's money.

      [–]1jb_trp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      She knows what she wants.

      She's just holding on to one branch until a better looking one comes along. When that "branch" doesn't work out, she'll go back to the origional, until the next opportunity. Rinse and repeat.

      [–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (1 child)

      Whenever a chick says she's "not ready" she's not your girlfriend lol.. If she says "I need a break" she's DEFINITELY not your girlfriend. Think about it. If you're a positive addition to her lifestyle why would she "need a break" from being around you? That's like saying "you know what, I need a break from making a lot of money and being able to buy cool things. I'll try being poor and working at McDonalds for a while." (given she doesn't have someone else to branch swing to, or a lifestyle to branch swing to like single girl party life)

      I've had girlfriends/plates who have tried to move in with me literally after a month or two of dating.

      OP was probably a moist towelette of a dude and probably has the whole nice guy complex going on where he thinks women value men who bend over backwards at every whim for them. So despite maybe being physically attractive and a general good catch for her, she's turned off by the fact that the dude can't even tell her to cut the shit and have some demands.

      People like to virtue signal and act like this behavior isn't as common as day.. But it is.

      If you walk into an ice cream shop with a bunch of teenagers working and the boss is super lenient/liberal about his policies.. The teenagers are going to eat ice-cream when he's not looking, hook their friends up with free shit and goof off.. Perhaps even despite them knowing it's wrong to do so. They just do it because there's no penalty to reinforce them to behave appropriately.

      If the boss actually tells them "no free ice-cream", puts his foot down about shit, and fires people/penalyzes them for disobeying him.. They act in line and work efficiently as employees.

      [–]throwawaynoobye 87 points88 points  (9 children)

      this guy is a smurf, because he's blue as hell.

      sounds like the girl used to be on medication as is mentally unstable.

      well, soon he will post asking for help because his gf is pregnant and its not likely that he is the father.

      [–]juliusstreicher 20 points21 points  (0 children)

      Oh, he'll be pretty sure he's the father; after all, the other guy has issues with women!!

      He'll post because he'll want help stopping the other guy from lying about the kid being his, just because the baby looks so much like the other guy.

      [–]TheAC997 10 points11 points  (7 children)

      Chicks who are on mind/mood-altering medication are not worth it. Seriously. At all. I figured that out the hard way (but still easier than how many other guys learn it).

      [–]Misplacedstock 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      You can't lay that on us and not tell us the whole story.

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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        [–]TheAC997 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The anti-depression pill industry is a con-job. Psychiatrists prescribe pills, knowing that some patients will skip the pills for a week, then take a week's-worth in a couple hours. Sometimes, patients literally become addicted to doing stupid shit: they only take the pills when they're upset, so their subconscious makes them do stupid stuff, which will cause them to get upset and then take drugs.

        [–]yarow12 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Care to elaborate on that? I'm very curious.

        [–]TheAC997 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Had a girlfriend, then enlisted, then had to choose between marrying her or breaking up with her, since otherwise I couldn't afford us living together. We were married for a year and a half before I put an end to that nonsense.

        No kids were involved, and I didn't get property-raped, so I got off better than many others.

        [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        amen. hard way find here as well, despite what my boys were telling me. luckily it never got into anything serious. ended that shit quick. huge red flag if she tells you she's on meds or seeing a therapist.

        [–]ransay3277 25 points26 points  (0 children)

        What can you say... Ya look at wimmins with rose colored glasses, her red flags look just like flags.

        [–]Conceited-Monkey 21 points22 points  (1 child)

        OP's girlfriend suffered from anxiety, depression, medication issues and the overwhelming urge to have sex with another guy. It is sad he does not see this.

        [–]majaka1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Another terrible victim of circumstance. When will the victim blaming stop?

        /s

        [–]Ananonguy88 65 points66 points  (31 children)

        RedPill Truth #3 Girls are attracted to dangerous men.

        This is the atavism I just can't burn out my beta anger for and probably never will submit to it.

        There are two kinds of men. Men that women desire (caveman alpha), and men that other males respect and strive to be but not out of fear (the father figure, the leader). These two are contradictory. I'll never dwell into crime, unjustified violence and bullying just for pussy.

        It sometimes feels like women want us to be muscular cavemen mindlessly killing each other for the access to their vaginas. This atavism is simply destructive. It's backwards force securing survival on animalistic, non-civilizational level.

        Most non-sociopathic men want to build, create, conquer and secure wealth, women and resources through their courage, cooperation and hard work. They are civilization makers. Unfortunately, when they secure all of that, female atavism awakens and the cycle repeats. The fact that current state of civilization is dissolving and eroding virtues of manhood dose not mean they should be forgotten and never resurrected.

        That was the wheel of history by now. Strong men create good times, good times create weak feminized men, weak feminized men create bad times. The man with the biggest success was not the one that females followed, but the one that men wanted to follow. Betas successfully conspiring and cooperating against brutal kinds is what led to monogamy and highly advanced civilization that would never arise from the old alpha pack structure. The problem is that betas can no longer secure females through cooperation and agreement since the boom of gynocentrism leading us back to 80/20 rule since women are the choosers now and betas are beggars.

        Not sure how this will shape society in longer run, there are lots of theories about that, but I don't think we can go back either way. There is something new awaiting for us in the future.

        [–]menial_optimist 43 points44 points  (7 children)

        I'm supposed to reorganize & restructure every aspect of my own life just to attract and keep a woman loyal? Fuck that shit

        [–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (5 children)

        A woman's loyalty is not dependent on your actions. You can do everything "right" (alpha+beta tendencies when needed, lift, finances, game) and they could still leave for no reason whatsoever. They have no sense of loyalty beyond "I'll stick around as long as I get what I want". It's why men do stick around after they've been burned, they have some semblance of loyalty beyond the transaction.

        [–]tsirolnik 29 points30 points  (1 child)

        Maybe there's a reason for calling a dog - "Man's best friend"

        [–]RenaissanceMan79 22 points23 points  (0 children)

        Dogs are far more loyal than a woman could ever be and their love is unconditional

        [–]Frenetic_Zetetic 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        "I'll stick around as long as I get what I want".

        The ultimate end-game of all human psychology...on steroids, because it's female psychology.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        It's brutal too because it doesn't tell you anything about the person's nature. All people stick around when they're benefitting. The interesting people are​ the ones who stick around when it doesn't benefit them.

        [–]Frenetic_Zetetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It's even worse with women, as the poster above said, because they hamster and flip shit so they are the victim, no matter what. Guys take way more abuse and keep on tickin'. We tend to value principle a bit more. Woman are circular reasoning because circular reasoning.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Just the shitty ones that don't make you happy, or add value to your life.

        [–]DynamicPressure 20 points21 points  (13 children)

        The civilization builders weren't betas. They were alphas with a different creed.

        Look at the wolf and look at the sheepdog. Both have teeth, both are very powerful, one seeks to destroy the other seeks to protect and lead.

        Indeed the "bad boys" women flock to are simply the negative caricature of masculinity expressed. Today in the West we severely lack the positive caricature of the masculine.

        Women are attracted to that which is masculine regardless of the man's creed. In WWII, some French women willingly and lustfully fucked Nazis once the Germans occupied Paris.

        All women see and respond to is the masculine regardless of the context. This is what we are seeing play out today with the vacuum of classic functional masculinity filled with a surplus of the dysfunctional alpha males, beta cucks, and other losers raised by single mom's.

        Can you truly blame them?

        [–]Vrassus 2 points3 points  (8 children)

        Sources on the French-Nazi stuff?

        [–]DynamicPressure 5 points6 points  (5 children)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMMGDQXRie8

        EDIT: Also here 100% on point by Black Pidgeon Speaks, worth the watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw

        [–]Vrassus 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        Fucking Christ man. I've been reading into red pill and such for a while now and held it as apparently true, but this is the shit that redpilled the fuck out of me. Thank you. Do you have any guidelines or something to share? How to be the ... "German for the French woman" and such?

        [–]DynamicPressure 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        All you need is to simply understand that TRP isn't anything new. It is reality. It's gonna hurt for a bit, but once you start to look closely you'll get there.

        "These hoes ain't loyal" has always been true. It isn't in a woman's best interests to be loyal, her survival is based upon her ability to submit.

        Alpha cock is alpha cock.

        You'll be able to prevent the Germans/Migrants from cucking you by staying in shape, focusing on your mission, and engaging in constant self improvement.

        [–]1Goomich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Do you have any guidelines or something to share? How to be the ... "German for the French woman" and such?

        https://altright.com/2017/06/05/aging-open-border-swedish-spinsters-are-sleeping-with-their-migrant-boy-toys/

        [–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It's a well known point in history that I've seen in a few places including history Textbooks. They started to kill women who were known to be fucking Nazi's at a few points. Usually, they were characterized as prostitutes (part-time because of war poverty or full).

        But, I heavily suspect it wasn't just prostitutes. There were a dearth of young men sent off in the war and killed for years..

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yeah, it got bad enough that the government was worried about french lineages.

        [–]TheEagleAndTheSnake 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        When the Nazis lost the war and occupation of my country was over, women who slept and men who collaborated with them were hanged. Not officially, not by a trial, by the people. Wars are tough as fuck

        [–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        After the war they shaved the women's heads in France as a mark of public humiliation:

        http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/french-female-collaborator-punished-head-shaved-publicly-mark-1944/

        and, of course, in the media it's painted as misogyny:

        https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/jun/05/women-victims-d-day-landings-second-world-war

        [–]TheEagleAndTheSnake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Rofl the modern twist on that alone is a symbol of how fucked up society is at the moment. Thanks for sharing

        [–]Rodion-Raskolnikov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I love those pictures of French whores getting their heads shaved. It is hard-wired into female nature to cosy-up to the new invader/occupier when your own men have been defeated. It goes way back to tribal warfare during our evolution as a species. This mental reflex is why women find it easier to dump boyfriends and move onto Chad so quickly.

        [–]tyrryt 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        A man's ideal is to dominate, broadly defined. A woman's ideal is to secure the committment of the dominator. The rest is details.

        [–]cornylamygilbert 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        Pimp you were doing well then at the end it got convoluted

        Be the leader of men. If you wanna be bad to get bitches, then you're life is about bitches. And man that's hella sad.

        Be the Elon Musk who wants to put casinos on the moon and sell real estate on Mars.

        That fool deserves bitches

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Your anger stems from your impotence.

        If you're not capable of things, then you thinking of 'dangerous men' as some kind of evil doesn't make you a great man, it just makes you weak.

        work on that, you'll find this anger dissapate. This is your bodies way of telling you that you need to fix something.

        [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        That's understandable, but let's also take women's side into account here. The "goodguys" of your example are formed almost exclusively by conformance to their particular environment, their one tribe, one suburb even - you get my point. Sure, they may fancy themselves conquerors of the universe and great builders of civilizations (sometimes they are), but deep down all this is accomplished at great psychological cost, an early sacrifice & painful amputation of their natural independence. Something traumatic, that they would like to forget about or assume "it happens to everyone". These men are neutered in a sense. They are tame animals in an artificial pen, and happy to be there and serve in their role, which naturally they consider very noble. Think about how women's instincts must necessarily interprete it: go with the penned animal, and die if the pen is ever overrun, die inside every day while with him, but he's stable VS go with the beastman, might die next week from a bullet meant for him, but the sex -DAMN - and he'll survive anywhere, anyplace no matter what happens. That's no easy choice, women constantly agonize over it, all their life.

        So a better way to see the "big dichotomy", if you ask me, is the contrast between the tame, civilized man custom designed by Lucifer and the enlightenment for their specific needs (deliberately cultivated unbreakable dependency), and the unruly beastlike, and often criminal man of nature's own design (independence by necessity, not choice). You see where I'm going with that - women are often so finely attuned to these subtleties, they can literally smell the difference instantly. Naturally they also have an entire host of automatic psychological filters that help them separate what they want to actually fuck (the jungle) from what they want to use, by danging the fuckcarrot in front of it (the civilized man of great knowledge, morality, and wonderful sentiments that are all in his head and ain't got that swing at all).

        I wanted to point out how the "beastman" isn't really anything special. It's the male animal in his basic default state. He is whole, dangerous and unpredictable and often useless in peacetime, as he may be... he retains most of his balls, he has to because of the stuff he's into day in and day out. It's the men produced by civilization's taming meatgrinder that are special, fragile, terribly disfigured by pathological intellectualism and uniquely unattractive for fucking as a result. If that's not an evolutionary indictment, an invitation to die out and soon, I don't know what is.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        And the best part?

        They have no concept on what 'danger' actually means from behind their picket fences. Swear, maintain eye contact, and stand with your back straight? From her perspective, you may as well have just gotten out of prison

        [–]boboliboliobli 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        The laws must change with regards to alimony and child support. That's my 2 cents. Too many double standards today, something should give way sooner or later. Or so we hope!

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Laws won't protect you from being a pussy.

        It just shifts what screws you over

        [–]boboliboliobli 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        True. Still, the laws are so fucking biased it ain't even funny.

        [–]newName543456 15 points16 points  (0 children)

        Hey, they were on a break, so technically she didn't cheat, so he must take her back or else he's an immature manchild who throws away true love, right? RIGHT?!

        Wrong.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        Couple more important stuff, from the first paragraph:

        I think she suffered some depression and anxiety due to some medications.

        Women have that natural desire (and ability) to avoid responsibility so as not to tarnish their status as a "wonderful woman". This one lost attraction for OP, but she couldn't admit to it because it kinda implies there's something she could have done about it. So it's the fault of her medication or health condition.

        So we took a break. I know, a break is never a good thing. But I love her. I didn't want to end things, at all.

        And here it is, predictable as clockwork, the root cause of all OP's issues: More investment in her than she has in him.

        Always remember the cardinal rule of relationships boys. LTRs are a valid form of sexual strategy, but as soon as you enter one, and for the duration of it, you must always have it in mind.

        [–]SilverGryphon 69 points70 points  (16 children)

        Well I would have said "yes, but you have to make it up to me with sex first". If she was into it I would bang the shit out of her for a couple of weeks and then ghost her when my dick becomes sore. If she said no to sex, I'd ghost her even faster.

        [–]RememberingAlpha 44 points45 points  (4 children)

        can't negotiate attraction

        [–]juliusstreicher 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        Nope; but, you CAN negotiate a fuck!

        [–]LandoChronus 20 points21 points  (2 children)

        But you can play the game. In this case she would be using sex as the bartering chip, for forgiveness and reacceptance. Who cares if she's attracted, pump and dump her till you're bored.

        [–]Docbear64 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        The only issue I have with this is the dude who has to actively negotiate sex like that probably isn't getting laid much in the first place. On top of that I can hear the shaming bullshit he'd swallow up from here.

        [–]guifawkes 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Yeah I think just next her.

        [–]JackGetsIt 14 points15 points  (7 children)

        This is only the right option if you don't have some bullshit feelings harbored for her still and you can genuinely commit to the short term plating. This is not possible for most guys that got dumped by someone they liked a lot. You also have to be ready for her to go psycho when you ghost her after the two weeks. Probably not worth it. Also my experience with this is that most girls that crawl back are not willing to crawl back at any type of lower status in the relationship; in fact they often want extra attention.

        [–]SilverGryphon 9 points10 points  (6 children)

        Oh I'm real good at ghosting believe me. I'll ghost her so fucking hard she won't be spooked even if she saw a real one.

        [–]Thestriker17 5 points6 points  (5 children)

        you should write a thread about ghosting techniques if you are so expert.. at least to help a beta like me prosper.

        [–]BonelessSkinless 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        You just have to really not give a fuck. It's way harder than it sounds because every single piece of your brain and heart wants to give many fucks. But you can't. She will take your love and attention and go fuck another guy the same day. She didn't care about you when she was sucking his dick so why should you care about her? Fucking ignore that bitch forever and work on yourself!

        [–]gg_s 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        ghosting techniques

        You don't need "techniques" to stop talking to someone, you just stop.

        [–]MuleJuiceMcQuaid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        There is an artistry in replying to texts with conversational dead ends so she stops responding but isn't completely sure what is going on. You still live inside her head, but you aren't there physically. Like a ghost.

        If you cut contact completely she knows exactly what the score is, and that can be bad for several reasons. False allegations, poisoning the well with her peers, removing her as a future plate option, and so on.

        Which method of ghosting you use really depends on what your goals are for the situation IMO.

        [–]Slut_Slayer9000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Stop talking to them, and when that doesn't work stop being a pussy, and repeat step 1.

        [–]boboliboliobli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Yeah because it's realistic to think that he wouldn't rekindle his feelings for her within those few weeks of passionate sex!

        [–]casemodsalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Honestly just use her for sex and don't spend any money on her. Stop contacting her first if she stops wanting to have sex.

        This is when the relationship is all about sex now.

        [–]RenaissanceMan79 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        The real lesson here, pretty much the only lesson you need in dealing with women - don't fall in love. Snoop said it best though, "We don't love them hoes"

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        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        I would say there is nothing wrong with that job or any job that you find passion in and make good money.

        But it has a stereo type of guy that goes into it.

        I work at a bar on the weekends because being staff at those places is like tinder in reverse. As long as your in shape and serving liquor near a college you can get 5 to 10 numbers a weekend.

        And I work my main job turning the week.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        "Breaks" are kiddy shit. If a woman says she wants a break from a relationship, it really means she wants to fuck other men but keep you on the back burner.

        She will only return if she finds she cannot do better.

        [–]prodigy2throw 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        Good old tickle truth about to hit this guy like a freight train.

        Some guys just don't have it in them. Beta is in their DNA.

        [–]alefmale 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Beta All that sucka shit is in their DNA

        [–]thirdincomestream 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I'm just thinking that if a girl is ever unsure of whether or not she wants to be with me, that probably means she doesn't want to be with me.

        I want somebody who is EXCITED to be with me. Fuck that lukewarm shit.

        [–]Xoramung 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        The problem is even worse in the comments with the advice he is being given

        In your shoes I'd straight-up tell her it is absolutely not an issue if you did since we were on a break, and I can understand why you might have done it and that's fine, but if you lie about it to me after today we have a serious problem. If I said that to a person I trusted, I would take their answer to that as fact.

        I cannot even...

        [–]EscortSportage 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        1. How the fuck do you "develop feelings" for someone before you fuck them? What a loser, just losers all around,

        We have bigger things to worry about and focus on, making money, buying property, traveling the world, building a racecar, riding your motorcycle, lifting weights and reading books.

        Get shit done.

        [–]EnlightenedViking 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        It's the same script...over and over and over and over

        But until you go though it and hopefully find TRP there is no explaining they cycles predictability

        [–]metallicdrama 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        "Well, he only nutted in her once, it'll be okay, herpty derp"

        [–]EscortSportage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        "Sadly, instead he will likely take her back, marry her, enter a dead bedroom, and have two kids who are oddly darker skin toned - but he'll shrug it off as some weird genetic quirk. And this is how he will live and die, because bluepill society has poisoned the minds of our men."

        Well put OP!

        [–]LouisdeHeisenberg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Word to the wise from someone who didn't take a women back after she had two, yes two, blow loads on her during a 'break.' Never allow a woman back even if she texted another man only once.

        Good riddance. Thanks for playing.

        [–]ADVICEfromA-Z 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        My advice is for him to cut this chick out, lift, start enjoying some plates and regain his confidence.

        I'd also recommend he have sex with his SO 2-5 times a week if he wants a successful LTR. Sex is the canary in the coal mine.

        have two kids who are oddly darker skin toned

        I don't know about the other married TRP guys here with kids, but my SO has already agreed to a paternity test when/if we do have children. I recommend a paternity test to all TRP men who plan to have children.

        I also recommend a prenup if you are wealthier than your future wife.

        [–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Cringe cringe cringe BUT THANKS A LOT FOR SHARING THIS. As a reminder for all of us.

        Honestly, this is no different than alcohol addiction. I want to be constantly reminded of what would have happened IF.

        [–]Momo_dollar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Getting a number isnt really a big thing or very difficult. Cant be fucked to think too deeply about it but either she really did reject him and he reacted like a bitch, or they banged and she rejected him after for a relationship or more action and he reacted like a bitch. Either way the other guy in this is weak. Not saying the girls isnt blameless, but just pointing out in this case that guy has something wrong and isnt slaying or even if he is I doubt hes keeping bitches loyal to him.

        [–]Cloughtower 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        What can you even say to guys like this?

        The insidious nature of "trickle truth" was horrifically revealed to me in this post. OP is so young and inexperienced that the only wake up call would be catching her in bed with the other guy. If she trickle truth's hard enough, she could probably get him to be ok with that too.

        The seed of doubt that caused him to make the post isn't just paranoia, it's his every fiber attempting to open his eyes to his blind love.

        [–]throwawayclarkken 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Haha this was me till last year

        [–]HonkIfYoullHaveIt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I mean, they were on a break. You fault her for not being committed to her LTR, but she was straight up with him saying she wasn't ready when he wanted her to move in, and he desperately clung to the hope that things would just magically work themselves out. As far as I can see, she didn't really do anything wrong, and there's no reason to blame this on feminism or double standards. The problem here is that the dude was weak and desperate.

        Consider this same scenario being posted by a girl about her boyfriend. She wants him to move in, and he's not sure if he's really ready for that. They agree to take a break. He gives some rando his number (because, hey they're on a break, might as well see where things go!) and maybe he hooks up with her and maybe he doesn't. After a month goes by, they agree to get back together and this rando girl starts getting crazy, telling everyone she fucked the dude. The girlfriend gets needy and jealous and starts asking the dude what happened. He doesn't reveal everything because it's none of her damn business what happened on their break. Granted, it would be better if he was just brutally honest, but in the end, if she's going to be so desperate to cling to a failing relationship and then insist on dwelling on what happened during a break, that's on her.

        [–]HappyMexican 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Your point seems just as valid, just had a to read it twice to understand what you meant. Got lost in the second paragraph.

        It's true, there is too much seeing the "Feminism Devil in Parada" every where you look in TRP. The simpler fact is women are no different then men. TRP should be about disillusionment that women are any better or worse then a primal man looking to take what he can.

        • They are out for the best deal in life, just like us.
        • They want a mate that stays physically attractive, just like good ol us.
        • They want to have sex with more then one person in their life, just like every us there ever has been

        I mean its easy to stay loyal, dedicated and caring when you have no other options (Like most men think we are better at). But what if you have a shit ton of options waiting on your doorstep, or on tinder? When men are given that kind of power you get situations like Thailand. Where male expats often sleep with 3 women, then go back to their girlfriend the following weekend. Now thats branch swinging!

        Here in Western society women have that kind of power 24/7 and it costs them nothing. How would you act with this superpower?

        Feminism doesn't have anything to do with it. Women are just Human as men and feminism just allows them to be. Price of having a free society, not be used as scape goat every time we don't see a woman do things we don't like.

        Its annoying cause I really get into the posts, and tons of wisdom being thrown around on here. Then suddenly "Blah blah blah Feminism society to blame for our problems blah blah". We beat that horse to death so much its already been reincarnated as angry redpiller itself who beats other horses.

        [–]Cell_Technician 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        If you break the bridge, don't walk back over it to your death. There is another sturdier bridge down the road with bigger tits and a tighter ass.

        [–]gman992 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Maybe they were on a break?

        [–]ManowaR1488 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        One time working in the oilfield, I was on night shift for 3 weeks with a cute medic. She was about a year into the relationship. By the end of the hitch, she had convinced herself that she wasn't happy in her relationship just so she could feel better about dumping him just to fuck me for a weekend.

        After we had our fun, the guy took her back(Knew all about me) and they have been together like 4 years now.

        I'm still shaking my head at him.

        [–]Merwebb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Wont blame society for "poisoning the mind of our men"

        Blame on whoever can't see beyond that.

        [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        but she told me she wasn't ready, and she told me a few days after that, that she wasn't happy and didn't know what she wanted.

        biggest red flag right there. every single break up i've witnessed of my friends and other people, including one of my own, started like this. never try to persuade her to stay. just realize its done and cut your losses. especially the bold part. simply put, that means she, like all the other girls "just wants to have fun".. with other dudes and fuck as much as she can before settling down. so if you do convince her to stay, it will be limited and most likely will end up hurting more because she would go astray sooner or later.

        [–]ThisIsMyLulzyAccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        What would TRP's stance be were the genders flipped in this scenario?

        [–]Shakydrummer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yup, that's the best course of action. Hard next, deal with your shit, move on and enjoy better women. Best way to do it!

        [–]Notassexylol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        My bet is that she wanted to fuck him, hopefully start relationship with him. But when she saw that he is not interested in one but only wanted to fuck the shit out of her.

        She got back with her Beta guy who gives her security until she find's another one.

        This WILL repeat itself! Become a man and show her you'll not be threated this way and point at the door.

        [–]Hector_Castillo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Depressive medication = low self-esteem = dislikes being treated too well = seeks hard savage cock = fucked Chad.

        The fact that he's posting about this = his intuition knows she cheated.

        A break = "I need to fuck another guy and see if I can find better before deciding to get back with you; but I want you to still hold out hope for us, hence the term 'break'"

        He pushed for more commitment first; always the death knell of a relationship.

        Though one caveat:

        'RedPill Truth #3: Girls are attracted to dangerous men. Ever wondered why all the high school bullies, the gang members, the drug lords, the sociopath Wall Street bankers end up getting the most beautiful and loyal women? It's because females, despite proclaiming that kindness/honesty/compassion is important, actually gravitate towards the most aggressive and socially dominant man in the group."

        Yes, they are. They love the conquerors and the killers. But, there is a limit to it. Women want savage cock and romance. The best man can provide both; if they only have the savagery, she will be attracted, but will sometimes resist or after getting slain by him will eventually leave/cheat because of the instability (e.g., German chick who left her American husband for an ISIS leader; a few years later she left - he probably had too many sex slaves or wives and neglected her a little too much).

        [–]AssMaster95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Sounds like a few of my ex's. Biology can sometimes get in the way of what's best for you starting out.

        [–]Bloody_Rayne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You sir deserve gold especially for the racially aware last part. Congrats ! She dindu nuffin !