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CulturePost-post-wall single women figure out that when they're old enough to have gray hair, men don't find them attractive anymore. Wow, who knew? Now they call it "gray-shaming" and pretend it's another way that "society" is being sexist to women. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Comicus

https://twitter.com/attn/status/990981603374616576

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is like the ultimate hamstering. These women had all the time in the world - literally decades - to settle into a stable relationship and build families, but decided to spend an extended period of time riding the cock carousel instead. It never occurred to them that their one good quality that made guys desire them and allow them to have high standards, despite their shitty personalities, had an expiration date. Now that it's faded away and nobody wants them anymore, maybe it's time to reflect on poor life choices? Maybe admit that they should have settled for one of the guys they thought they were too good for when they were younger and still had a chance? Wrong! They're the victims, and it's everyone else's fault but theirs!

The gray haired woman complaining about "the dating apps" was the best part. Sweetie, if you're that old and still using dating apps, you're the one who fucked up. Also, how much do you want to bet the preferences she states are identical to what she wanted when she was 21? "I still deserve a guy who's over 6 feet, fit, rich and has no kids...even though I'm older than dirt, have saggy tits and have kids who have kids."

And naturally, their examples of how men have it better include guys like George Clooney and Anderson Cooper who've aged abnormally well, ignoring the majority of single men their age who are balding and have pot bellies and extra chins and are probably not doing any better than their entitled female counterparts.


[–]bunkmacleod 631 points632 points  (46 children)

The funny thing is that they say it's harder for older women to get dates than older men. Well it's harder for younger men to get dates than it is younger women but that's no problem right ? The Maximum Effort hypocrisy.

[–]Ganaria_Gente 118 points119 points  (26 children)

Hypocrisy is precisely why it's so damn easy to destroy the gynocentrist's arguments.

Everytime they open their mouth to bitch about something, it's easy to point out the double standards

Of course, not that the Marxists would care to be so consistent. ....

[–]DrBalance 53 points54 points  (2 children)

Seems if you point out double standards / anything to do with reality it's dismissed as 'shaming', 'mansplaining', or you 'just don't get it'.

[–]Unrealenting 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Truth is treason in a society built on lies.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

"In individuals madness is rare, in society it is the rule" -Nietzche

[–]blister333 24 points25 points  (7 children)

that was great, or when the chick whos what? 70? complained about dating apps? bitch imagine being a 70 year old man on tinder. good luck even getting matches

[–]Snazzy_Serval 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Actually men who are 70 and single do quite well. Around that age there are a lot more single women than single men, because all the single men are dead.

[–]Arie_R 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You're forgetting that when women are 70, their life partners may have died (often a few years older) and that's why they are single again. So the pool of single women in their 70's is probably much larger than the pool of single men of the same age. The few men who make it into really old age will have the pick of the litter ;).

[–]Snazzy_Serval 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're forgetting that when women are 70, their life partners may have died

No it's included. You just went into more detail and made a good point about women with older men.

That's why in the 50+ there are more single women than men, it's because the men are either married, or dead.

[–]VickVaseline 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Don't forget, it is also harder for most younger men to get dates than it is for most older women, and that's a shocking truth.

[–]315skwot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you think about it that way they definitely have it harder. When you're 20(or however old you were at the time) your brain is still pretty plastic and you can still learn. Not being super attractive to woman have made me a pretty interesting person. Now after college with a decent job and unattached, girls don't understand how I'm single and to be honest I get confused why they think so because of all the formative years. She on the other end is on the downward hill and man it must suck, it's what I imagine loving music and losing your hearing is like.

"There's few things valued less than a young man or an old woman" ~ TRP

[–]TheReformist94 21 points22 points  (7 children)

Grey hair is easily remedied by dying of the hair on the woman's part. It's easy for them to go on dates as people date in their own age brackets. They have plenty of options,I don't see any of them single with men their age are dating 24year olds.

I've seen it here in my office,the MILFs rele rate themselves and men in their 30s are drooling over them. Same Pareto principle applies,90% of the men in their 30s are invisible, and the MILFs eye up the good looking Tom Hardy's and the chads in their 20s.

Never heard of grey shaming

[–]handklap 39 points40 points  (4 children)

Grey hair is easily remedied by dying of the hair on the woman's part.

Also, don't forget how women love to shame men who dye their hair. A guy with gray hair shows up at the office one day with dyed hair and the entire female staff snickers behind his back about his "mid-life crisis".

The "silver fox" is another lie. What women mean by this is a good looking man (like George Clooney) continues to be good looking with gray hair. When they lie to themselves, "I like gray hair" what they mean is, "I like gray hair on men that are already very attractive".

[–]Infiltrator92 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Can't we say the same thing about anything about a man? A women can say, "I like men who dress "nerdy""

No, you like attractive men who dress like stereotypical nerds.

[–]tempolaca 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Same with bald men. Women only like already good looking, shredded bald men. He would be hot with hair anyway.

[–]Rick_OShay1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The "silver fox" is another lie. What women mean by this is a good looking man (like George Clooney) continues to be good looking with gray hair. When they lie to themselves, "I like gray hair" what they mean is, "I like gray hair on men that are already very attractive".

Not to mention "rich and famous".

[–]IronJohnKwando 346 points347 points  (22 children)

"We are just... disposable". Ah, to live the life of a man.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 268 points269 points  (17 children)

The most brutal thing you can do to a woman demanding "EQUALITY!" is to give it to her.

They only want the "good parts" of being a man, they want none of the sacrifice, responsibility or work. What we do isn't easy, we just make it look easy.

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    [–]calicotrinket 70 points71 points  (1 child)

    Yep, look at how many cried on Twitter when women could be drafted in the US. Their responses were actually "I don't want this kind of equality".

    Equality in a nutshell - take the good bits, but you know, the bad bits for all is literally oppression!

    [–]Infiltrator92 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    "I don't want this kind of equality".

    My god, I just laughed out loud when I read this.

    [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    ...and criticism feels like hatred.

    (that one actually is a feminist saying as well IIRC. Funny how these always work both ways)

    [–]thewrecker8 37 points38 points  (5 children)

    They only want the "good parts" of being a man, they want none of the sacrifice, responsibility or work. What we do isn't easy, we just make it look easy.

    There was a movie with Jack Nicholson where he was a writer and he did women's book's. In the movie, a woman he was dating asked him "how do you write women so well? " He said "first I start with a man, then I take away responsibility and accountability".

    [–]pennynotrcutt 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    He says "reason and accountability"

    [–]Zelthia 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    Is that called “Better impossible” or smth like that??

    [–]SKRedPill 27 points28 points  (0 children)

    Idealism is the oldest form of politics. The easiest way to gain a king's privileges is to demand the king's treatment, but none of the responsibilities

    [–]Ganaria_Gente 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Yep. I made an entire thread about it on the MRA sub but basically:

    Most bad jobs are taken by men. But of course the supremacists don't what them.

    And how about health statistics? The supremacists don't care about making that equal, either.

    All the good stuff only. For women only

    [–]abc69[🍰] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    they want none of the sacrifice, responsibility or work

    Tom Leykis said those same words back back when he was on the radio. I'll see if I can find an audio clip of it

    [–]Comicus[S] 41 points42 points  (1 child)

    I was so tempted to say just that. "Oh, you mean guys no longer want to put your needs and feelings at the forefront, support you whenever you're in need, and reward you for your very presence everywhere you go? Welcome to being male!"

    [–]ShotgunTRP 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    They outright do not understand that men don’t get this same treatment

    My mother used to always say “tell everyone about being depressed” and encourage me to splurge my feelings to literally anyone who would listen

    My guess is she assumed people would treat me how they treated her. By offering infinite support and no judgement

    My experience with sharing feelings was weird looks, no support, cold shoulders and losing friends

    It didn’t take me long to realise that this method was a losing one and there’s a reason men throughout history kept their shit to themselves

    Women just do not understand that men get completely different treatment socially.

    [–]blister333 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    i chuckled at that. same with the part about hiring older women- older men struggled their too. its apparent in tech for sure

    [–]thewrecker8 334 points335 points  (21 children)

    I love how anything that doesn't fit a woman's narrative is some kind of "shaming". So far we have: fat shaming, slut shaming, gray shaming. Whats next? I can't help the odor of my vagina so stop smelly pussy shaming...

    [–]redpillchill 112 points113 points  (8 children)

    yes. i've literally had that conversation with a woman last year (she was a friend of my ex girlfriend). "Vaginas are all like that. Men just don't get it."

    [–]dont_fear_the_raper 68 points69 points  (3 children)

    As if cock smells like fresh peaches from the garden of eden

    [–]HobbitForest 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    It does if you take a shower jeez.

    [–]CaptainSweno 39 points40 points  (1 child)

    Adam's peaches were fresh before woman made them smelly

    [–]moroi 31 points32 points  (0 children)

    Well... those tasty freshly shaven and washed bits of my teen plates would definitely beg to differ.

    [–]OCD_Orca 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    "So I can not wash my cock and have it stink. You would be okay with that, right?"

    Of course they wouldn't. The way to deal with these types of arguments is to expose the hypocrisy.

    [–]Sonos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    No they fucking aren't.

    [–]13thPlayer 38 points39 points  (0 children)

    That last one is meant to be hyperbole but I can clearly see that happening

    [–]BewareTheOldMan 47 points48 points  (1 child)

    ...anything that doesn't fit a woman's narrative is some kind of "shaming"

    Hence - women's frustration. Despite numerous attempts, shaming men is completely ineffective.

    Every now and then, you get the dutiful Beta Chump to sacrifice himself for the obese, financially-strapped, Single Mother of 3 kids with daddy issues, and that pesky little "past drug habit."

    However, more often is the "Hard No" based on fat acceptance, slut acceptance, Single Mother acceptance, etc. - especially Top 20% Men. Top Tier men scoff at the idea of "man-shaming" in ANY form and a lot of other males as well.

    When women readily accept obese, financially-strapped, divorced fathers/Single Fathers of 3 kids with mommy issues, and that pesky little "past drug habit" on a large-scale basis, they might have basis for their argument.

    [–]TheSelfGoverned 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    It wasnt long ago (2015?) that feminists had a huge push to get this entire sub banned. Amazing how quickly people forget that they attempted to squash freedom of speech itself in the name of protecting their victim (and male oppressor) narrative...and men almost bent to their wishes. Thankfully enough of us had a minor backbone, and now, it all almost seems like ancient history.

    And their narrative is so transparent...when men aren't even allowed to anonymously speak to each other, in their own spaces, on the internet...then who is the real victim, and who is the real oppressor? Feminism really is one giant culture-wide shit-test.

    [–]smaillnaill 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    Yes, there is a sketch in the vagina monologues about covering up the odor of vagina with fragrances. Quote: "Pussy is not supposed to smell like fruit. Pussy is supposed to smell like pussy!"

    [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    A little fruitiness won’t hurt

    [–]idontevenlift37 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Bruh I bet you’re accurately predicting the future with that, calling out a girl who has a smelly vagina from all the diseases she has from riding the cock carousel will probably become shaming pretty soon smh

    [–]MaxWyght 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    I can't help the odor of my vagina so stop smelly pussy shaming...

    Literally saw a post on instagram about that:
    "Vaginal discharge is normal. Vaginas aren't supposed to smell like rainbows and sunshine. Yeast infections are common."

    Vaginal discharge and unpleasant scent are symptomatic of yeast infection.
    Yeast infections are only common in vegan females, who consume higher amounts of carbs.
    Women with proper diets have a much harder time getting their vaginal yeast breed uncontrollably.

    [–]eccentricrealist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    That's because shame is their weapon of choice shitlord

    [–]Sp0kySc4rySk3l3t0n 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    If it weren't for Eve Adam wouldn't be tricked into eating the fruit

    [–]blister333 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    the funny thing is, they showed what looked like photos from an US/People type of magazine. who do you think buys those? who writes them?

    [–]1GroundhogLiberator 191 points192 points  (2 children)

    > ignoring the majority of single men their age who are balding and have pot bellies and extra chins and are probably not doing any better than their entitled female counterparts.

    These men don't exist, my friend. They don't enter a woman's mind, period.

    [–]blister333 40 points41 points  (1 child)

    unless they need help- flat tire, moving, homework, doing anything they dont wanna do...

    [–]reluctantly_red 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    unless they need help- flat tire, moving, homework, doing anything they dont wanna do...

    Which is why its not a good idea to own a pickup truck. :)

    [–]red_matrix 99 points100 points  (17 children)

    The media caters to women. Gotta sell 'dem ads.

    [–]2Dmva100 29 points30 points  (14 children)

    Soon well have 'Just for Women' grey hair eliminator, not in California though, gotta be genderfluid.

    Fuckers

    [–]Ivan_The_Reddish 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    'Just for Xir', you transphobic pig!

    [–]red_matrix 10 points11 points  (12 children)

    I've thought about moving to California a lot, I came close a few years ago. It's so sad what's happened to that place.

    [–]alucidexit 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I'm leaving California. Gonna miss the weather, food, and certain clubs... Not much else.

    [–]red_matrix 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    The weather and landscape is what I love. The cost is insane

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      [–]bowhunter6 13 points14 points  (3 children)

      Oh, the white people there are fucking it up just as bad, my friend.

      [–]numchux53 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      They did now they are leaving. So many California based business are moving their HQ to Dallas.

      [–]Darkone06 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Built a wall around Texas and make California pay for it.

      [–]2Dmva100 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Lost my coffee on that one haha

      Cali would be sold on the idea if you convinced then it'd keep white cowboys away from their sanctuary cuckstate

      [–]red_matrix 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I thought it was progressive terrorists?

      [–]cuteman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Have you been into one of those stores like Sephora and Ulta?

      It isn't men seperating people into 800 different colors.

      [–]PutItAllOnRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      As a professional ad seller, you're god damn right. Baby needs new shoes, so I'll sell your wife even more expensive new shoes!

      [–]The_Lightskin_Wonder 78 points79 points  (9 children)

      That's like a homosexual person calling me out for not finding them attractive, my brain can sort out a good looking woman in a crowd instantly, I don't choose this. It's not like I choose to find younger woman attractive, and they're are probably a few grey haired women I would fuck , you're just mad you're not one of them.

      [–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (7 children)

      Trans people are doing this. If you don’t want to fuck their multilated penis stub that means you are discriminating.

      [–]Andgelyo 27 points28 points  (0 children)

      They could go fuck themselves, nothing wrong with a straight man denying someone he does not find attractive.

      [–]blister333 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      bro not gonna lie, i thought Moneypenny was quite attractive for an older, gray haired woman

      [–]meowgoesdog 127 points128 points  (16 children)

      The whole thing is ridiculous as fuck but what is the funniest thing is that they are somehow trying to blame men for being called attractive even with grey hair

      A "silver fox" or whatever is a term used by women so how are they even gonna blame us for that?

      Overall I think it makes very much sense that we don't find grey haired women attractive since it very much screams out "this woman is no longer a potentional mother", no1 likes brown bananas

      And it makes sense that women themselves despise it aswell since women hate not being wanted, can we just not accept that certain things are meant to be harsh and mean, that's just life, modern age women want life to be filled with happines and rainbows, they are really just big babies

      [–]truedemocracy3 47 points48 points  (4 children)

      Once again it's women denying the natural truth. Men value fertility. Women value status/power. I feel bad for the ones that actually bought this lie and are now late 30s, single, and in trouble on the dating market

      [–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      I don't. At all. I don't wish it on anyone, but I understand that everyone gets a share. It's just a matter of timing. Men get it early and women get it late. I don't even understand why there's a discussion.

      [–]truedemocracy3 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      I think it depends on the situation. If "be nice and kind, a woman who loves you for you will come around. "the one" will happen when you least expect it! Personality over everything!" is the Blue Pill in dating for men then the equivalent for women is "You can have it all! Chase that career and party around while you can in college and your 20s! Dont worry about settling down! You will get Mr. Right because you deserve it!". Both of these encompass a Blue Pill mentality.

      If someone is a decent person, and the vast majority of humans are, then they simply bought into the lie and never realized they were playing against the clock. I take no pleasure in seeing a woman in her early 30s with emerging wrinkles, grey hairs, extra weight, etc. who badly want kids but is having no possible outlet to achieve that struggle. However, if there is one benefit to being a man it's that our pain comes early while for a woman it comes late. And pain is how someone finds this sub. So a woman can find the equivalent if she truly wants in her 30s but by then - too late

      [–]1Entropy-7 20 points21 points  (5 children)

      Perhaps an even harsher reality is that some guys can be attractive with no hair at an advanced age.

      Dwayne Johnseon is 46, but then again he is 6'5" and about 265. Jason Statham is 50 and more average sized at 5'10" (but depending on the movie, as low as 6% bodyfat). Bruce Willis, now in his 60s. Patrick Stewart, now in his 70s.

      [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

      Amazing how hyper-famous millionaire bald dudes overcome their chrome, i wonder what the secret might be?

      [–]1Entropy-7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      They can carry it, but it is all relative. I am not hyper-famous nor a millionaire but I have not had a problem in the last 20 years since I started going clean shaven.

      Some people make curious comments like "you have the right head for it". I mean, WTF? I am not a fucking Klingon.

      Celebrities in this case are merely examples of guys who don't have gorgeous hair who are still in the same league as other hyper-famous millionaires that do.

      If I said I know Joe who shaves his head and slays, you have no first hand knowledge of that.

      I'm not saying that every guy could work it anymore than every guy could be a "silver fox" but there are enough examples that it really triggers post-wall broads who try to identify some injustice or hypocisy in male and female value standards.

      [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      Plenty of older bald guys crush puss

      [–]Zelthia 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      I’m heavily balding and I am definitely more successful with women than I was in my 20’s with full hair. I am only starting my RP journey, but I definitely do better than I did when I was 120% BP.

      Maybe it’s the leaner body, maybe it’s the attitude, I don’t fucking know. Balding nowadays is simply no handicap. So easily overcome by frame, career, lifting...

      [–]AnteesAntaas 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      modern age women want life to be filled with happines and rainbows, they are really just big babies

      I'm realizing this more and more.

      [–]pinkalligator333 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Actually brown bananas are great for making banana bread, the bread just expires fast 😉

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        [–]thecorgisleeps 75 points76 points  (37 children)

        99% of women want 6ft fit guys who make 6 figures and have huge cocks and dont mind making fun or ignorng short guys, but they dont want to do things as trivial as buy hair dye or lose weight??

        [–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (19 children)

        The sad part is women could have that guy (6'0, 6 figures, lifts) when they're past their prime if they were more prospective in their mating.

        If women settled in their early to mid 20's for a guy that has potential but hasn't quite made it yet it will pay off for them when they're post-wall and he's hitting his prime. She would enjoy a couple decades of that guy while she's on the decline (there's a good chapter about this in the first rational male book).

        It never works out like that, though.

        [–]truedemocracy3 63 points64 points  (9 children)

        Yea I see this quite a bit. I love dating around (takes a lot for me to even consider an LTR) - and the difference between dating women in their early and late 20s is hysterical. For some reason women are told to 'find themselves', 'travel', 'have fun' (all code for taking dick) in their early 20s and buy into it. By about 25 - 26 they look around and shift gears to 'dating'. Many are ok with this, but man if they dont land someone then it is FULL PANIC BUTTON MODE in late 20s/early 30s. We are talking on 2nd date 'Dont waste my time', 'I want to be mutually exclusive', 'do you want kids', etc. etc.

        The saddest thing is pre-RP me would have been ecstatic with this. Even understanding that 'I won in the long run! She ended up falling for me'. Sadly the truth is it's her situation that drives that decision, not preference. And for that any potential relationship is built on a lie

        [–]blister333 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        my sisters' 30th birthday party was a great example of this. her friends who were married had such better attitudes and didnt complain nearly as much as her single friends. i heard lots of complaints about being pumped n dumped, it was hilarious. i wish i recorded some of the convo's, they'd fit in perfectly here

        [–]loveladee 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        That's the worst thing man for me now - is even if I want a relationship with a woman, I can't tell if she actually loves me, or if I'm convenient to that moment or need. Then I realize, there probably isn't a difference between these things

        [–]reluctantly_red 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Sadly the truth is it's her situation that drives that decision, not preference. And for that any potential relationship is built on a lie

        This!!! Sadly I had to learn this the hard way. I worked hard to change my ex-wife's situation and as repayment got dumped for a richer guy.

        [–]truedemocracy3 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Jesus, some loyalty. And that's the severe downside of LTR/Marriages. You can be a great husband/boyfriend. You can provide, protect, maintain frame, lift etc. But if someone with that higher SMV catches an eye for your wife you can still lose it all.

        [–]Comicus[S] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

        Very true, when I was younger my early 20s girlfriend that I'd been in a loving, 4 year relationship with dumped me because I didn't get a great job right out of college so she assumed it meant I was a deadbeat who would never go anywhere in life. She herself was still in college but still thought she could do better than me. Six months later, my career got into full swing and since then I've gone through several replacements for her, while she's still single, alone, and working minimum wage jobs and unpaid internships.

        [–]The_Chiselnator 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        Nah. You miss the point dude. She didn't dump you because you were a deadbeat. She dumped you because you now entered a population of men where you were at the bottom of the pile i.e. the working man.

        Previously you were quite cool and a top tier dude compared to your college mates. She could handle that. But then you left and entered a different demographic and she realised that, comparatively, you were actually low value.

        It is just her lizard brain at work. Looking out for her interests. Making sure that only the very best sperm get close to her precious, irreplaceable eggs. Does she think she made a mistake? Fuck no. Thinking that way is nurturing a revenge fantasy. She hamstered it all away long ago and in her mind you dumped her.

        LMAO! Them bitches are operating in a different astral plane. Forget the bitch. Keep working.

        [–]cornerofficemouth 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        This is similar to my situation.

        <Flashback> Married my wife when we were both 22. She was out of my league. I was a tall, skinny, clumsy idiot fuck. But I had just been through years of fucking brutality with an abusive alcoholic father and the worst case of facial acne you can imagine. I came out of my teenage years stoic as fuck because of all my downtime. I wasn't afraid of rejection or people not liking me. After a while, my face had mostly cleared up, which helped with my confidence. I stared down my dad after he threw a fucking appliance at me and Irealized I could/should kill him in that moment. I didn't. I got up, shook myself off and it led me to realize that, not only did I not need him, but he was limiting me. Started living for myself right in that moment and moved on. <End Flashback>

        <Short Background> After we were married and had a couple kids, we moved to the suburbs and I started sliding, man. Got a little chubby, a little complacent. My wife hung in there like a fucking champ. Can't believe she put up with that retard. Anyway, I started feeling restless. Like I had immense will that was not being satisfied by 9 to 5 job, hobby on weekends, riding it out killing time until I died. Started getting my shit together. Focused on one area at a time. Started with dumb motivational shit. Mindset or whatever. Didn't feel like enough. Moved on to action. Didn't take too long for shit to come together. Started looking around for other people that felt similar to me. Restless guys looking for constant challenge and improvement. Found this place. <End Short Background>

        Anyway, to your point, I'm 6'4", 6 figure salary, I lift, all that shit. Don't get me wrong, I have a long fucking way to go to be close to what I want to be. But, to my wife, she knows she's with a man that has met the potential she might have seen when we were 22. She may have doubted my poor schlump ass the whole time, who knows. Probably. I don't give a fuck. It's always been my lack of satisfaction with myself that has cut the deepest. She still tests/complains/whatever all time, I think - I'm not really sure, I am just kind of amused by her crazy shit. I look at her now and I see what I saw back then, a cute girl with huge tits who believes in me. Not a bad thing to have, as long as you believe in your own chump ass first.

        [–]BewareTheOldMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Great story - glad you worked through your problems and came out better on the other side.

        Best wishes to you, your wife, and your family.

        [–]thecorgisleeps 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        And another sad thing is, many women where im at actually do go for the "bad guy" instead of a nice one who'll support them, not to say the nice guy thing is correct in every way, but they do have a point, because bad guys are exciting to women, heck even a friend i knew is pregnant now without a father.

        [–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 11 points12 points  (3 children)

        They only learn the error of their ways well past their prime when they've squandered their looks and their hair turns grey.

        Doubtful. Solipsism means women can't be introspective.

        [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

        I’m not sure I buy that women are inherently solipsistic. I know that biology can explain most female behavior such as hypergamy, but the few well adjusted women out there are actually capable of being highly empathetic. I think female solipsism is mainly a function of how women in our society are raised on piles of bullshit and held to no standards whatsoever.

        [–]wisty 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        I’m not sure I buy that women are inherently solipsistic

        People are inherently solipsistic, not just women.

        [–]okuli 16 points17 points  (9 children)

        As a 6ft fit guy with 6 figures in late 30s, I can tell you that 99% of women still want something else.

        For giggles I put in Bumble profession as Pastry Cook, and a lot of women started matching me and sending messages how lovely it is. Ugh... I have no idea why pastry cook is much sexier than software engineer at top tier company.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Because if you don't pan out they can make you an orbiter who bakes them pinterest worthy cup cakes they can Instagram #girlsnight

        [–]DragonSh1t 1 point2 points  (7 children)

        Can you elaborate on the software engineer thing?

        [–]okuli 10 points11 points  (6 children)

        I'm a software engineer, and no woman ever said how cool is that.

        [–]FeelTheBernieSanderz 24 points25 points  (3 children)

        Dude just call yourself an engineer, never emphasise the computer part with girls they HATE it.

        There's something about 'software/computer' that (almost rightly) implies an aspie nerd/beta soyboy hunched over a monitor which is uncool.

        Being an 'engineer' leaves room to maneuver and implies a more physical, mask/gloves on approach (manly).

        When women probe, describe MALE QUALITIES than the technicals, for example 'I lead a team ...' or 'We do IT work for <insert well known brand she will know> .

        They want to know if you can wrestle a BEAR, not a BUG!

        [–]okuli 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        just call yourself an engineer

        Wouldn't work, because where I live majority of population work either at Microsoft, Amazon or Google. Anytime I meet someone, they say: "let me guess... you work at Microsoft..."

        [–]DragonSh1t 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Just say you're a consultant for a high tech firm or some shit.

        [–]ApexmanRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        "99% of women want 6ft fit guys who make 6 figures and have huge cocks"

        yes they do... lights cigar..

        [–]AsmellyFinger 3 points4 points  (5 children)

        Some girls like normal sized cocks, but I see what you mean bro.

        [–]thecorgisleeps 32 points33 points  (4 children)

        My point being, they like guys for things guys cant control but women dont wanna do things they can control for guys.

        [–]catalina-out 4 points5 points  (3 children)

        I get the cock size and height. But you can definitely "control" your income.

        [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 72 points73 points  (5 children)

        The prime complainer was probably a fox when she was younger. She still has a bit of it about her. Very often such women have the most difficult time coming to grips with aging. They are used to be fawned over, romanced, taken on trips, parties on yachts, whatever.

        Then they get old.

        And they meet our old friend, Mr. WallSPLAT!

        Right now, the most unattractive thing about that woman is her cunty, entitled attitude. She's out in the world of men and suddenly what MEN want matters. If she was a bit more sunny and dyed her hair, then she'd probably do pretty well in the 55+ crowd.

        Oh, well...I suppose her cats won't care about her grey.

        [–]Comicus[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

        Exactly, she was so used to getting what she wanted by relying only on her looks that she never took the time to cultivate having any other good qualities, or learning how to bring something else to the table that doesn't have such a close expiration date. Evidently she still hasn't figured that out, and probably never will - can't teach an old dog new tricks, as they say.

        [–]Friendly_Jackal 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        "It's MY hair and I'll dye it if I want to!!"

        "Men are so worried dating a woman with grey hair will make THEM look old!"

        Translation: "my wants and preferences are the only thing that matters!!"

        [–]blister333 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        newsflash lady: most people dont want to look old

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I saw on PBS Newshour (yeah, I know) some old crone talking to Judy Woodruff, talking about metoo.....saying "You know, they aren't exactly harassing us anymore." in a really wistful tone....the horror in Woodruff's eyes was something to behold!

        [–]francisco_DANKonia 61 points62 points  (2 children)

        Literally nobody shames a woman for being old. They just aren't attracted

        [–]Ivan_The_Reddish 24 points25 points  (1 child)

        Other women sure do. Funny that.

        [–]OCD_Orca 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        [–]heynumba2 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        The irony of her explaining how she decided to "be herself" and not dye her hair any longer once she hit 50 while simultaneously caking on makeup to make herself look more attractive is just so perfect.

        [–]fukdembitches 37 points38 points  (1 child)

        It's understandible, the most vocal feminists tend to be ugly, bloated and entitled. They are soliplistic and hate taking self responsibility for their actions. Feminsm is akin to an opiate for these aesthetic failures to blame others for their wretchedness.

        Anyone can see that these landwhales ruined themselves.

        After all how often do you see 10/10 instasluts with 100,000s of followers bitching about "the patriachy" as an excuse for their relationship failures.

        [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

        Feminism is a political movement/religion designed to transfer power and resources from men to unattractive women.

        [–]BewareTheOldMan 25 points26 points  (5 children)

        A good line from the video:

        "Why should it matter what you do with your hair?"

        The base answer is "it doesn't matter. It's your hair. Do with it what you wish."

        Understand this: Men are NOT obligated to select you as a mate. After all - it's a man's choice as to who he selects for a mate.

        A better question is "Why should it matter what men do as it relates to their personal choice for a mate?"

        This smacks of everything certain women love to shame men for NOT doing for women. It's predictable behavior. I don't understand how women don't get that shaming men into selecting you for ANYTHING only makes it worse for the woman, but mainly for men as they suffer silently by giving in to societal pressure into "taking one for the team."

        Don't jump on that grenade guys - hold fast to your preferences. It's as if men are NOT ALLOWED to have preferences that directly conflict with women's preferences.

        Seriously though - man has problems dating, finding a mate, or marrying...it's men's fault.

        Woman has problems dating, finding a mate, or marrying - it's men's fault and a boatload of misogyny, male selfishness, and inconsiderate behavior.

        Good grief! If a man has capacity to select a better mate, he is somehow placing women at disadvantage for not choosing the lesser, much worse option.

        So... just what does a man get from either society or these women for their dutiful and selfless sacrifice?

        Appreciation? Gratitude? Veneration?

        I'll answer my own question with the fact that the man gets nothing and is expected to "take the loss."

        No thanks - give these women a "Hard No" if they are don't fit your preference. It's the same line women use when they deem a man "unsuitable." Let's offer the same in return because...equality and stuff.

        [–]JohnIan101 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        It's as if men are NOT ALLOWED to have preferences that directly conflict with women's preferences.

        This has been a long mindset among women. Only they can choose what they demand from a mate. But if a man does - it is sexist.

        'Don't you know... you're suppose to worship us?'

        [–]peaceful_strong_man 50 points51 points  (3 children)

        They are coming to terms with their fornicating history and overall delaying of marriage.

        [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 37 points38 points  (1 child)

        They don't seem to be "coming to terms" with it so much as they are getting pimp-slapped by reality.

        [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

        In 2016 everyone said shit is as crazy and illogical as it can get. In 2017 people said the same.

        It’s not going to stop folks. The natural pendulum counter-force that brings us back to sanity which many people desperately and hopefully cling to does not exist. The more women are involved in public life and decision making, the more bizarre and illogical the world will get. They will continue to reshape public opinion and the nature of our society to reflect their worldview as dictated by their biology. Women are going to continue working, voting, staying single into their 30s, and being promoted to positions of power in government, industry, and media. Buckle up.

        [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        i'm not worried. just as they spread information, people like ourselves spread information as well. there's a huge movement that pushed back against all this insanity. a lot of people are exposed to the red pill as well.

        [–]jm51 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It's probably never going to stop. Neither are the most outlandish conspiracy theories.

        What I have noticed is that more and more people have stopped caring about this type of drama. As an example, the YT of those women walking out because a female speaker stated the fact that on average, men are taller than women. It does the rounds, usual drama etc. but it was just 3 women. About half of the audience were women and apart from the vocal 3, those women did not object to being told a fact.

        [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

        Hahahaha I literally don't even know how to take SJWs/liberals anymore. Someone has to be paying you to be this fucking stupid

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        It’s mass insanity. Plenty of precedent in communist and fascist countries. This is why it’s so dangerous when the government becomes at all involved in telling citizens how to think.

        [–]lookoutitscaleb 30 points31 points  (1 child)

        Why do women wear makeup and perfume?

        Because they're ugly and they stink.

        [–]2Dmva100 29 points30 points  (8 children)

        Post wall slags would make for perfect sex slaves whilst you plunder their holes and lying about your vasectomy and telling them all the while you want that good ol' family life.

        Too bad they are ugly as fuck and nobody wants to stick their dick in their PhD

        [–]Gearski 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        PhD

        I think you meant community college arts degree.

        [–]therealpkg 17 points18 points  (6 children)

        Don't delude yourself... These bitches are nowhere near smart enough to earn a PhD.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

        they can't actually spell GREY

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

        Gray in America, grey in England.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        turns out I'm the idiot lol. now I know

        [–]therealpkg 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        And unlike them, you actually learned something.

        [–]blister333 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        i wouldnt go that far. plenty of purple haired femmi's at my school who are getting phds in english etc

        [–]TryhardPantiesON 30 points31 points  (0 children)

        What a bizarre world this is.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Let me tell you a story. My cousin is in his early 50's. He's got his own place, although he's a minimalist. He's in shape. Dotes on his kids. He was divorced a couple years ago.

        He's a pretty active dater. I think he uses zoosk or something like that. He was showing me the quantity and quality of women who were messaging him and how little effort it took on his part.

        Was he slaying 20 year old? Nope. But he had 5 or 6 plates spinning and plenty of options. The women he dated were 7-9 in their prime.

        But the point to this lady is, add value. What does some gray haired harpy bring to a guy like my cousins life? The women he showed me all had pretty much the same speel, "hey you're handsome! I like to [insert fun activity], I'm looking for someone to be a partner in crime..."

        The ones that got past his filter weren't entitled nor needy. If he dates them and they start expecting shit, out to the curb. If they start asking" are you ready to be my kids new dad? " to the curb.

        What this woman hasn't realized is that all her life she never provided enough value for a man to make a lifetime commitment to her. And now that her smv has drastically lowered she still doesn't realize that she has to provide value that her pussy alone can't.

        [–]Paladin2903 18 points19 points  (6 children)

        What women just can’t seem to grasp is that, life isn’t fair. Men age like fine wine, and many of us actually look better with gray hair (silver foxes). Women do not....EVER.

        Men have tons of time to settle down, build wealth, and most of us look better as the years roll on.

        Women absolutely do not. Any woman that is still single, in her 30’s, did something VERY wrong.

        While guys are just getting started in their 30’s, and are entering their best years, the best years of the female are winding down.

        [–]c_megalodon25 5 points6 points  (8 children)

        They need to think about what they can bring to the table than what they expect others to bring to them. You can be an old 55 year old woman or you can be a put together and hot 55 year old woman who respects poker night and knows that she has over 20 years of bj experience.

        [–]1Entropy-7 7 points8 points  (7 children)

        I am 51 and the plain fact is that I don't find women my own age attractive. I would posit that no guy finds women my age as attractive as comparable women who are significantly younger. I guess that I why I have been doing the "half-plus-7" thing for most of my adult life.

        I just watched watched Film Stars Don't Die In Liverpool. Annette Bening is 59 and she plays an aging Hollywood starlet from something like age 54 to 57. Great movie and I can see the attraction that a younger guy could have given their personal dynamics, but a) you are talking about a top Hollywood actress playing a top Hollywood actress who is tall - 5'8" - and slim - BMI 20 - so top what, 1%? 5% or women her age? and b) she is old now. Compare, her at 30 to her now witht he latter being perhaps the most flattering picture I could find.

        I suppose as a PS it is worth mentioning that she is married to Warren Beatty, who is 20+ years older.

        [–]c_megalodon25 5 points6 points  (3 children)

        I get your point, and I’m not going to defend a certain age as attractive or not because that’s really subjective and depends on more than physical beauty.

        I will say that mental compatibility is important if you want more than a quick fling. At 43, I’m probably going to connect better with another gen x woman than a 22 year old with perfect perky tits and an ass you can bounce a quarter on. For a weekend fling, I’ll go for the 22 year old.

        I actually use a “beach vacation” rule. You go on a beach vacation...there is only so much time you can spend in the room fucking your brains out. Eventually you are going to want to wander around the island and sit in the cabana drinking a pina colada and having a good conversation. Pick the best woman who is good enough for all the activities including the bedroom instead of just the bedroom.

        [–]ApexmanRP 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        I am late 40's and I am with you on this one.. Had a thing with a woman who was a few years older and she was fit as fuck, a real 1%'er, but even then I found myself being drawn to younger women again.. just.. cant.. do... it.

        [–]Graefinator 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        So laughable. They showed pictures of tabloids which didn't even have malicious titles, somehow linked grey hair to job outcomes, and then tried to blame dying their hair on men. Men don't make women die their hair Jesus Christ.

        Men get positive spotlight for grey hair because instead of convincing each other that our hair sucks when it's natural, we own our look and say fuck it, I have grey hair? Who cares I'm still a stud.

        [–]redd_reality 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        You ever step back and think - "they" can say whatever they want, I don't give it any mind, whatsoever?

        Losers gonna keep losing, winners gonna keep winning. I don't consider the intellectual introspection of losers, cause I'm too busy winning.

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        What about “bald-shaming”? Bald men are laughed at by women and chastised by the media. Is society being “sexist” towards men? /s

        [–]rooster-one4 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        Honestly, talking about any of this stuff isn't worth talking about, no offense OP. Once women harass their way into getting their way into one thing, it's off to the next made up issue.

        Pandering, even by just talking about it, to these child minds validates them as much as anything. Let them have their gray hair and a life of regret, and just leave it at the grocery store where it was found....and never think about it again.

        Don't give them purchase in your minds by thinking about this stuff. Get on with gettin' on.

        [–]TheDevilsAdvokaat[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        As if women are attracted to gray men, or men who look old!

        No-one is attracted to anyone significantly older than themselves unless they have some kind of mental issue OR are gold digging.

        [–]thewrecker8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        What's crazy about this whole thing is they call it shaming where it's just not finding something attractive. But it's okay for women to not be attracted to guys under a certain height, or doesn't have a beard, tattoos, is hairy, isn't hairy, has a certain kind of job, or has about a dozen other boxes that need to be checked before they want them. If guys don't find it attractive it's "shaming". If a women don't find it attractive it's her choice.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DYE MY HAIR

        ... She says caking makeup all over her face

        [–]crimsonkodiak 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        And naturally, their examples of how men have it better include guys like George Clooney and Anderson Cooper who've aged abnormally well, ignoring the majority of single men their age who are balding and have pot bellies and extra chins and are probably not doing any better than their entitled female counterparts.

        That's Apex Fallacy. It's one of the bedrocks of these kinds of arguments.

        [–]blister333 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        i liked how they picked people who are in hollywood/media related- one of the harshest and shallowest industries in existence. of course they held up, they were very attractive to begin with. same thing with a diane keaton or soon to be jennifer anniston. you'll see them for decades because they are among the few that hold up so well.

        [–]Darkone06 6 points7 points  (3 children)

        I actually like white hair, I have dated two young girls with white hair.

        One was albino (19yo) and the other one was in her mid 20s but her hair was white, white. I loved how unique it was. Turn me the fuck on.

        It really isn't the hair that is their problem it is their age and how they carry themselves. The gray hair is a symptom not the cause of their issues.

        [–]BewareTheOldMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        So... it's NOT the grey hair, but these women's attitudes?

        I concur - you see that in the video.

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        I honestly can't wait until I start to get some grey in my facial hair.

        [–]truedemocracy3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Never think about LTRing a woman who wasnt meticulous and feminine about her appearance BEFORE you met her. Because if she isn't - shit like this, 'mom bods', no makeup, etc. will only convince her to both be unattractive but that she is fighting some 'oppression' in doing so. To prevent this takes massive frame, and one other reason why marriage sucks. Hard to say "if you dont dye your hair I'm leaving" in that situation

        [–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Man this headline sure as hell triggered the feminazi brigade. Strike a nerve, perhaps?

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Why do you guys give a fuck about this ? Show your opinion by not fucking these women. There. Problem solved.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        older women are a lot more shallow than younger ones.

        [–]andreas-mgtow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        "I thought just let me be me"

        While I cake my face with 10 layers of fake up.

        [–]ntvirtue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        BWAHAHAHAHA the comments are GOLD!

        [–]watermelonicecream 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        The most hilarious part about this is the people doing the shaming are more than likely women.

        [–]EscapeTheGoat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Women don't like nice guys and I don't like post-wall women. At least men are honest.

        [–]Avskygod0 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        protip, women: it's not because of the gray hair

        [–]salinorum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Feel like people just aren't comfortable with themselves no matter what and then endlessly seek validation for the enormous hole of self loathing they e created in their psyche. I know personally all my problems arise out of one cause: not valuing my self worth

        [–]patrice_plz_come_bac 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Like we can not have any preference at al. We're just working cattle

        [–]sendengizledim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Of course they will find someone who loves them, and the point is confidence is sexy. They have to be just themselves.

        [–]plentyoffishes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Wall age is relative.

        For example, in Asia, anything over age 27 is washed up and discarded. In the US, it depends on where you are. In the midwest, many get married by 21, so being single in a lot of places past 21 is a curse, and by 26 you are "post wall".

        But in California, the wall isn't until late 30s. Go on any dating site or app. If a woman is at least semi-attractive, she will be bombarded by dudes, at any age up until about 40. I know many early and even mid-30s women that think the world of themselves, because hey look, I've got 17 guys that want to take me out this week!

        [–]JcHgvr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        In time you will know what it's like to get old. To feel so desperately that you're young yet to age all the same. Dread it, run from it, the wall still arrives.

        [–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Anderson Cooper is gay so I don't know how they can even use him as an example. Also he's famous so he's not a fair comparison even if he wasn't gay.

        [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        another leftist agenda to pussify the society and regress it into the abyss

        [–]Morphs_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        • edit: ATTN as the name implies is all about attention. And they apparently deliver here.

        These media outlets are just shit-tests for us. It's just nagging about something women have no control over.

        No amount of complaining in the media will make us attracted all of a sudden. Instead, it reinforces the fact that double standard hamstring is present on all levels, as long as a platform is given.

        My first reaction is to ignore this bullshit as much as we can because we frankly should not give a shit. Every day that passes, we are more able to seize what we want. That's the advantage of being the lame bloomer gender.

        [–]Whitified 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I for one welcome this push to end gray-shaming

        Older grey hair men should be able to date young girls without social stigma

        [–]TDG0922 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        A comment on the video;

        "C'est la vie. Women in their 20s have much greater facility in getting dates than men. It's only fair that men experience at some point that upper hand. Men "ripe" with age, women simply "rot"."

        Indeed.

        [–]Schraelnick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Sure, it has nothing to do with wrinkly skin, crows feet, sunken dead eyes, more baggage than a Southwest Flight, or the fact that in your prime you most likely sucked and fucked your way through 30-40 cocks, while ignoring men who you thought were below you. What goes around comes around toots.

        You listened to your feminist sisters and this is what you get.

        You get nothing! You lose! Good day ma'am!

        [–]AussiecuntTRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Jesus christ. The total avoidence of reality in that video. Here is the reality: Older and confident men are more attractive on average to women than young, inexperienced ones. Meanwhile, younger looking women are more attractive to men. Is that right or wrong? Of course not. It's such a sense of entitlement. It's ridiculous. Just like the fat activists who want to force people to find them attractive.

        If you're a woman and want to go gray then do it. Just realise you will be found less attractive to men and there is nothing fucking wrong with that.

        [–]oliviadregne 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        No wonder people like this are a dying breed.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Are they? I think we delude ourselves when we pretend that things are shifting back to sanity. I think we’ve got a long way yet to go.

        [–]Mr_Get_Right 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That's what's on my mind. Gray hair.

        [–]KHJohan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Almost no men become silver foxes, since almost all men get bald. I wonder why we dont hear about bald-shaming.

        [–]batfish55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        ignoring the majority of single men their age who are balding and have pot bellies and extra chins and are probably not doing any better than their entitled female counterparts.

        Yea, sure, Clooney and Cooper are aging abnormally well, but I think in general, dudes, just average dudes, age better than average women.

        [–]donkey_democrat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That video in the link was literally AIDs. Of course is misses the point completely and simply states that any difference in treatment must be artificially done by men across the world.

        [–]ButtRobot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Haha sucks for them. I get compliments on my early onset grey all the time.

        [–]SKRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That twitter link activated my Retard senses.

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