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Blue Pill ExampleFriend's Fiancee Cheats on Him with CHRIS BROWN - An Unbelievable Case Study in Hypergamy (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by gardenofbacchus

EDIT Since i'm understandably getting people doubting this, I've looked up Chris' whereabouts for the night in question - http://www.songkick.com/artists/519159-chris-brown. I'm not posting pictures as it's essentially doxxing this girl and no-one is going to believe it's her anyway, as no one actually knows her.

This story is 100% real. There's photos of Chris with this girl in his car, with her covering her face. I've got them. Anyone can check the background if they're really bothered, it happened a little under a month ago in Vegas, I don't know the name of the place but it was a rooftop bar somewhere.

My good friend and his fiancee of 4 years have been in the U.S since the beginning of the year, he's landed a good IT role and has been flown over there. This girl is his college sweetheart, his first proper girlfriend. This guy is not a beta male, by any stretch. He's in great shape, good looking, has cool hobbies and is naturally red-pilled, minus the "never get married". I've always known him as a Chad and he's been a hound-dog with me growing up, always claiming he'd never "settle down".

His fiancee is gorgeous, they're looksmatched for sure and she's for the most part a down to earth, level headed girl. I've known her for as long as I've known my friend. She works as a nurse and makes good money. He's making average money at the moment but is forecast to be pulling big numbers in a few years.

The information I've been told is she went out with a group of new work friends she's met in LA to Vegas for a weekend for one of their birthdays. When grilled over this my buddy said he knew he shouldn't have let her go but he "never thought" this would happen, since she doesn't drink and is a homebody for the most part. Mistake one.

So my friend is at home working on a project, and his fiancee is out in Vegas. Somehow she ends up at the rooftop bar Chris is at, I was told she started drinking and the rest is history. She messaged my friend saying "I'm with Chris Brown!!!" and apparently he didn't believe her and just wrote back an emoji or something dumb. Mistake two.

This was on the Saturday night, my friend had the details to the hotel they were all supposed to be staying in and had called her on the Friday to check in, and she was fine. He said he didn't think he needed to call her again on the Saturday, and trusted she'd just be home safe with her friends. Mistake three.

Long story short, she went home with Chris, was snapped in the backseat of a limo/one of his cars covering her face. She received a BBC workout and stayed at a hotel with him all day, presumably indulging herself further in the obscenely endowed C.Breeze before he basically kicked her out and she had to get a cab back to the hotel.

She didn't tell my friend for over a week.

He's completely destroyed and is moving back home. I've spoken to him twice, once after it happened and then again today for an update, which is why I decided to make the thread. She's staying with her friends in LA.

The take-home is this.

Hypergamy doesn't care. My friend is a good looking, interesting, red-pilled man who makes good money and has a bright future. It doesn't matter. Chris Brown is a millionaire celebrity, a literal God in the eyes of most women on the planet. His huge dick is public knowledge. He is extremely good looking. He's an asshole. His presence would've been completely and overwhelmingly intoxicating to her, and him taking interest in her would've been simply too much to handle.

Women are slaves to hypergamy. The biological mechanisms inherent in female sexual strategy override any and all logical or objective thought and morality. Chris Brown is better than her fiancee. When a woman cheats with such a high value man, she isn't doing it because she's consciously vindictive towards her partner. It is simply her biological imperative to do so. To NOT cheat with Chris Brown (the highest value man she could conceivably obtain the genetics and resources of) would be a betrayal of her biology.

Never even entertain the idea of a girl's weekend away. Do not let your women go out to clubs without you, ever. Never inherently trust a woman, no matter how "strong" or "unique" your relationship is. Understand hypergamy, don't dwell in bitterness but really understand it and internalize it. There is always a man better than you. Briffault's Law - your relationship and anything you've ever done for a woman means nothing and is forgotten in the face of hypergamy.

And most importantly, and as always gentlemen, AWALT.


[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (29 children)

I recommend all men live by the very simple standard when it comes to LTRs:.

Failure to avoid the appearance of impropriety is an automatic NEXT!

It's as simple as that. By failing to do so they're demonstrating through their actions they don't have what it takes to be LTR material. PERIOD. Failure to abide by this rule of relationships is how you end up like the guys described in the link below and in OP's story.

Relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKU9wkPBvGg

So what are examples of apperance of impropriety? A big one is disappearing after a night out with her friends. Realistically if you're in an LTR she shouldn't be out after midnight to begin with. Going out now and then is cool and all, but never with a bunch of single women behaving like she's single too and staying out late. Nothing good happens after midnight if you catch my meaning.

It's not a surefire rule of thumb, but it's a good one nonetheless. If she goes out, then if she's smart she'll be the "stick in the mud" who insists she's home by midnight for example, and most assuredly before the alcohol hits. There will be no staying over at someone else's house where odds are good it really means she's getting smashed by some strange. This is why I say it's better to avoid those girls nights to begin with. Like Father Tom says in the above link, the whole reason women go out to begin with is for male attention, otherwise they'd be drinking their own drinks, listening to their own music, all in thee comfort of their favorite PJs in one of their living rooms.

Another appearance of impropriety is hiding the phone, being secretive about texting, and generally being deceptive about who she's in communication with. This one should be self-explanatory. This is why "Trust, but verify" exists. Maybe the secrecy is something innocent, like planning your surprise party, but the odds are more likely she's in contact with Chad from the office.

[–]cellphon 551 points552 points  (143 children)

Great post.

Mind sharing the pics?

Also, it's just funny that for Chris brown it was a random one night stand hoe, and for the couple it was an apocalyptic event that they will both relive for the rest of their entire lives.

Celebrity appeal and power are very fascinating.

[–]redaftrp 309 points310 points  (6 children)

C. Breezy said it best: "These hoes ain't loyal."

[–]JF803 147 points148 points  (2 children)

"When I call up, she gon leave, and I bet that bottom dolla she gon cheat"

[–]CallMeHaseo 21 points22 points  (0 children)

He was literally trying to tell us something in the low

[–]Your_Coke_Dealer 62 points63 points  (1 child)

OP fucked up; there's never a more appropriate time to use that as the post title

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Kicking myself for not thinking of that. I actually laughed out loud when I remembered that damn song

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

  • "Why give a bitch an inch when she'd rather have 9"

[–]1Zanford 36 points37 points  (0 children)

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButForMeItWasTuesday

I've had conversations like this.

Friend or plate: "This friend of my friend dated Celebrity Dude X"

Me (if in a RPing mood): "Would Celebrity Dude X refer to it as 'dated' or just banged her a few times? Come to think of it, would be remember her at all?"

[–]Pragmaticpandas 96 points97 points  (98 children)

For the guy it was an apocalyptic event.. for the girl, I highly doubt she will lose much sleep.

[–]slumdog-millionaire 294 points295 points  (82 children)

I beg to differ, she's not with Chris Brown, he just fucked her and kicked her to the curb and it cost her a man she was willing to marry so in her unwitting quest for better she's now left with nothing.

[–][deleted] 353 points354 points  (24 children)

We're witnessing the making of an Alpha-Widow. Almost married Chad but threw it away to fuck Chris Brown. She will compare these two guys with every new guy she dates. She will settle for nothing less for years until she realizes she's lost her beauty. She will then settle for a beta bucks while trying to catch young dick in her 40's

[–]PlebDestroyer 137 points138 points  (2 children)

ahhh man what a world we live in.

[–]TheSelfGoverned 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Yep, and it's all the fault of the evil patriarchy. /S

[–]-ATLAS-_ 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"Blame it on the al-al-al-al-al-al-alcohol baby"

[–]1Original_Dankster 92 points93 points  (2 children)

And she'll emotionally torment that beta for being inadequate.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (1 child)

I can see nights where he comes home from work and gets berated by his wine drunk, and Xanax addicted alpha-widow.

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 36 points37 points  (5 children)

This is exactly right. Was going to include this in the OP but thought it'd be more interesting to leave it open for discussion.

She's essentially broken and will quite literally be unable to have another relationship, until she's 40 and reality hits her. Every man she's involved with from now on will be compared to not only her Chad fiancée but Chris fucking Brown.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Good point. I've said it again and again that whoring around can have detrimental effects for a woman. It might be a sudden fun experience but genetically she gets deselected. Although the fact that OP describes her as hot and her boyfriend as Chad while also having the actual looks to catch Chris Browns attention for more than a bathroom quickly. Something tells me this girl ain't your average bottom feeder.

Girls like that can actually get away with some beta-slut behavior. It's passable, most average girls however can't. Kind of like a balding, manlet, dadbod can't say the same perverted shit to women like good looking guys can. Average women can't behave like worthless crap and expect any guy to see it through the fingers. Even one slip up can be a deal breaker.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (2 children)

the worst part is she attracted chad literally in her prime... sometime in college, and now they've been together for 4 years. realistically she's now already somewhere between 23 and 27. she will never be as attractive as she was when she met chad.

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

She's 26

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Women peak at 21/22 so she's already on the decline. She's definitely alpha widowed both on the hookup front and the relationship front.

[–]JohnGalt316 153 points154 points  (51 children)

i'm sure she is attractive and will find another hot guy in LA

it is a myth that good looking sluts will get their karma

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 78 points79 points  (20 children)

i'm sure she is attractive and will find another hot guy in LA

You don't get the point:

She had the best she could possibly get and then she even got fucked by a DT celebrity.

There will never be a guy who can live up to the standards she has now. None will ever be good enough for her to stay longer with him and she will always have that nagging feeling that she could do better. After all she managed to hook up with a celebrity, right?

That is her punishment.

Will she still get sex and find some idiot who is willing to throw it all at her? Sure thing. Will those ever live up to her expectations? Nope.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 21 points22 points  (2 children)

There are also 10's who actually dated Chris Brown or comparable celebrities for a duration. This girl got a weekend out of it. Other girls get a bathroom blowjob. These are all measurable levels of female sexual success. This girl is somewhere in the middle, most girls are somewhere at the bottom. It's sad really. TRP is mostly about these girls. What 9's and 10's do and get away with isn't much discussed over here.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 19 points20 points  (13 children)

You don't get the point:

She had the best she could possibly get and then she even got fucked by a DT celebrity.

Let's roll with the assumption that OP didn't make this up and isn't embellishing the qualities of his friend (we have to accept these as premises).

What does this tell us about his friend's fiancée?

Well, for starters she's probably really hawt - I don't think a celebrity would fuck some random 7, since a guy of that status could reasonably expect to get better. He also said that she was a down-to-earth, sweet girl. Crap about the ONS with a celebrity, but well.

Now how things turn out for her depends on how far that crap follows her. If she manages to sweep it under the rug, she's still the hot and surprisingly down-to-earth girl, odds are that she might also find a decent guy again.

If she doesn't manage to blindsight a guy about her past shenanigans, he's aware that her sweetness is a facade and that she's not only capable of cheating, but has done so in the past (and the best indicator of cheating is a past as a cheater), which is a hard hit on her attractiveness (for me personally to ignore that crap, a girl would have to be so insanely hot in my eyes that I couldn't think clearly). Any high value man who isn't a tool would nope out of there.

[–]Sdom1 11 points12 points  (2 children)

she's still the hot and surprisingly down-to-earth girl...

Down to earth girls don't fuck Nelly when they've got a fiancee they love (allegedly). OP thinks she's down to earth because she's hot (people are programmed to assume the best about really good looking people) and she had locked down the highest status man in her vicinity, and thus being "cool" maximized her status. So, she was so super sweet and down to earth, and OP fell for it hook, line, and sinker. I'll bet there were signs he missed - there always are.

I'm not trying to bash OP, it's just a reminder that there's always more to learn.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

stuff like this WILL always get out. Every high value man she could snatch will eventually find out, and if he is indeed a man, he is going to leave.

Also it's a HUGE turnoff for me, when a girl I previously thought was sweet, loses her facade for a second and shows me her true face, it's like snorting a line of redpills. A sudden shift of reality occurs, going from "oh she's so sweet" to "guess just another pump and dump girl". Still figuring out why that is though.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, Madonna/whore is a thing, even if the concept has been adopted by feminists.

[–]CCIG2 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Au contraire, she isn't necessarily that hot. Look up the Derrick Rose accuser. Celebs fuck dogs all the time.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

odds are that she might also find a decent guy again.

except that decent guy will never compete with the celebrity that she fucked. it's the same thing with amber heard and elon musk. amber heard dumped celebrity phenom johnny depp for tech phenom billionaire elon musk. same deal with tiger woods' ex... she was banging BBC who is also the best golfer in history. none of these women can move down. ever. they can only move up. so this fiance has to find some celebrity higher than chris brown or she's settling and it will nag her and eat her up inside forever until she divorce rapes her beta because she's unhaaaaappppyyyyy.

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    [–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    It's an unwinnable cycle because hypergamy. She was already happy, but she saw an opportunity to be even happier followed by sadness and uncertainty. She took it.

    If she got another Chad esque dude she wouldn't have suffered any karma and she'd do it again. She isn't going to learn from her mistakes until it is too late.

    Maybe you can call that karma but that is just her following her hypergamy. She never will be 'happy' if she is as hot as she thinks she is.

    [–]slumdog-millionaire 11 points12 points  (17 children)

    sure but she has seen the consequences of her actions and she must be feeling some regret over where she is now

    EDIT: so that at least is some form of karma/justice

    [–]vwzwv 50 points51 points  (16 children)

    She just learned she could attract Chris Brown. With that knowledge she will learn she can land another quality guy. Ugly to think about but karma for her is not a sure thing.

    [–]1GroundhogLiberator 50 points51 points  (4 children)

    Karma for her would have been Chris Brown punching her in the face

    [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    He maybe did and she enjoyed it.

    [–]Reformed65 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    "omg im so beautiful that I was able to make Chris Brown have feeling over and me and get angry at me like omg thats proof i'm not a slut otherwise he'd just dump me lol im so hawt brb lmao rotfl 😆😆😅😅😅😛😛😛😛😛 gtg be a strong independent women 👠👠👠👠👠🍌😜"

    [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    With that knowledge she will learn she can land another quality guy.

    Chris Brown sure is a quality guy...

    Also that guy will never be good enough since she will not be able to attract and keep a celebrity of his status or above. "Well, he is not Chris Brown, you know."

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      [–]Remember5thNovember 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Here's a perfect example of the reality of your comment. A guy on reality show found out the woman dated Fabio and lost all respect for her. It was quite funny. Here's an article relating to it.

      http://www.seattlepi.com/ae/tv/article/The-thought-of-Fabio-was-just-too-much-1138349.php

      [–]1PantsonFire1234 15 points16 points  (7 children)

      What allot of guys seem to forget that while women deploy 80/20 on men. That 20 will deploy 80/20 on women. That's why you hear women complain, cry, get alpha widowed and generally act like victims. The pattern repeats and hits them back in the face.

      Think of it like this, women select the sex they give away by filtering the male population down to the core and then test if they can get commitment and prolonged attention from these men. This is where male selection comes in. Around the top 20% off this female population gets lasting commitment, dates, relationships and perhaps even marriage. This is a big thing for a girl. The bottom 80% just get pumped and dumped. They are as affection starved as the incel beta men are for sex. OP's example just showed how this woman managed to get selected by Chad for more than a bang. Only to be Chris Browns cumrag. This is where sexual selection drew the line for her. Right between marriage with regular Chad and a weekend with Chris Brown.

      And this girl is actually rather succesfull if you frame it like this. Most girls never get to this level. They get deselected by average Chad and don't even get a glimpse from A-list celeb/star. Perhaps a quick toilet session. Bottom feeder material, ends up with beta men (bottom 80%) for commitment and affection.

      They are on the same level as sex starved cucks. Only they aren't sex starved but commitment starved. It hits them just as much. As above so bellow. Women being the choosers of men has revealed a big flaw. This is where a guy can win ground.

      [–]OzzyDaGrouch 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      Some good points. It's important to know exactly how obsessed with you a woman is. Because if she's not she will get distracted. Stop trying to get true commitment out of women who aren't at least bending over fucking backwards for you from the get. Trust me.

      There's always someone better looking out there with more enthusiasm and less effort. Stop wifing up the hard to gets because if they wanted it they'd be fucking getting it

      [–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      It's important to know exactly how obsessed with you a woman is. Because if she's not she will get distracted.

      It's hard to gauge sometimes though. Sometimes a girl initiates and tries to talk to you constantly. Or acts very clingy when you are together but after one mishap she's gone. Other time a girl could be quiet for months only to finally fess up she can't stop thinking about you. Women hide all this pretty well from my experience, perhaps you know more.

      Stop wifing up the hard to gets because if they wanted it they'd be fucking getting it

      I think the best rule is to only give commitment when it's asked by the woman and you deem her worthy. Never give commitment or affection freely. She has to feel she has earned it. One of my favorite tactics is having a girl slightly misbehave on me (nothing major) and triggering a massive fight where I soft next her. Eventually should she return she will be like butter in your hands and beg for more. Once you give her a slight ounce of that affection it will feel like a cocktail of drugs for her. And she feels like she worked hard for it. Now you use that slight affection as a bribing tool since you can always take it away. Kind of like how women use sex to control beta men but instead you use affection, commitment and attention. Make it feel worthwhile and take it away with bad behavior.

      [–]-ATLAS-_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Oh, it was an event for her, but in a good way. You can bet he goes straight to the top of her dick list of people she brags about to her friends. She'll just accidentally leave out the part about cheating on her fiancé and the part about how she let him do everything he wanted and things no other man will get to do. Remember, cheating in Vegas or Miami "doesn't count".

      Eventually this girl will finally have the lie that fits the pain and makes her able to get past it (if the guy calls her a whore or slut even once, she'll tell the story that he was abusive... If he checks her phone or asks where she's going even once, it will be that he was too controlling, etc...). Once she has the right story to get past the short term pain, she forever is going to have a good memory of this and make it a bigger deal to her friends as a bragging of bagging the rockstar.

      [–]bd31 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      "Now the moral of this story is cuff your bitch Cuz hey, I'm black, handsome, I sing plus I'm rich and I'm a flirt" - R. Kelly - I'm A Flirt

      [–]D3ATH94 51 points52 points  (25 children)

      I'm gonna be honest. The fact that OP didn't provide pics in the first place and told us to look it up, OP is just making the story up for that sweet karma and validation.

      [–]slumdog-millionaire 13 points14 points  (4 children)

      yea the top comment is asking for pics and I don't see anything, not sure I believe this one.

      [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

      I agree with this to some extent. While I don't wanna completely deny the possibility of this, it doesn't necessarily need to be true. And again, that's 1 out of a 100 chances.

      And that's not me trying to advocate in favor of marriage, I personally do think it's kinda unnecessary.

      But, the mistakes highlighted by the OP make him sound like a chode. I mean, there's always gonna be times where you'll have to leave your girl alone. You can't keep checking up on her like some insecure chode (even though I would love to if I could). Truth is, shit like this will always happen. What if Chris Brown came to the hospital she works at, and she just needed to check his temperature in a different way.

      The only "mistake" I kinda agree with is letting your girl go to Vegas, I have turned down any offers any of my girls has ever made to take me there esp. if we're in a monogamous relationship. And even then, you can't always prevent that from happening.

      Also, I mean there's always a better guy than Chris Brown too. So, if she had Dr. Dre come in, she'd prolly leave Chris Brown's ass for a bigger, richer and more jacked "BBC". And btw, this is not me trying to be a white supremacist or something (cause I'm brown myself), but I find it super ironic that the guy with the biggest dick on the planet is a white dude (wtf lol!).

      So, the point I'm trying to make is life is too short to be lived with fears and insecurities, because your girl can always cheat. In an alley, with her Uber driver in his uber, at work, etc. The best you can do is not get complacent in the relationship and continue to better yourself so that if she leaves, you come back into the dating pool being better than ever.

      [–]D3ATH94 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      It kind of does though need to be true. Otherwise you end up pretty much saying "The narrative was right, but the facts were wrong", and all that does is just self-validate without proof, which is never good.

      [–]I_AM_CALAMITY 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      Does it really matter? You don't believe some girl somewhere has cheated on their fiancee with a famous person?

      [–]1GroundhogLiberator 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      My friend's cousin got cucked by OBJ. My friend swears to God that this is a true story. They're still together though.

      [–]Sdom1 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      I never got this. How the hell can you stay together? Every time I looked at her, I'd be reminded. It would quite literally drive me insane. If for nothing else, I'd have to separate myself from her for her safety and so I could stay out of prison.

      I would have hate in my mind constantly, which is a really draining emotion to maintain. Fuck that, nobody is worth that.

      [–]1GroundhogLiberator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      The real trauma is that Giants games would be too painful to watch and you'd be forced to become a Jets fan.

      [–]SlothOnRoids 159 points160 points  (13 children)

      Thanks for the morning coffee to wake me up. No matter how good-looking, alpha, wealthy, and whatever else traits that you believe will make your chick stay faithful...you WILL get blown the fuck out by an A-list celebrity, athlete - all of the above, especially when you throw alcohol in the mix.

      The dude even sings 'These Hoes Ain't Loyal' for God's sake. "When a rich nigga want ya, and your nigga can't do nothin' for ya".

      [–]honorbound43 70 points71 points  (4 children)

      I mean for god sakes he made the damn song. His friend is a dumbass. THE MAN MADE A SONG ABOUT IT

      [–]Your_Coke_Dealer 48 points49 points  (2 children)

      Remember, for every absolutely perfect godlike Chad, there's a woman getting bored of him. Women are insatiable and will always seek to trade up given the opportunity. Once upon a time someone stole Chris Brown's girl too. There's always a bigger, chaddier Chad somewhere. All a guy can do is improve himself to reduce the number of those above his SMV, and realize that for whatever woman he's with, it's just his turn.

      [–]honorbound43 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      Personally i like the whole you were only renting anyway, until you put a ring on it you don't own shit. No one is satiable, you're in it because you either to or you haven't found something better and figured out how to get out of your commitment. Don't expect the world out of relationships, that's why you always have other pursuits.

      [–]Leftmove 19 points20 points  (4 children)

      So that raises the question, what's the point of all this? As per the OP, even if you are Chad, someone else better will eventually come along. In the end, what's the point?

      [–]Hoops_Junkie2 28 points29 points  (1 child)

      To never invest emotionally, isn't worth it.

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      Well, that's not completely true, because any relationship built will have some sort've emotional investment inherently. The point is to not be butthurt and dodge relationships like the plague, but to accept that she belongs to the game.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH63L-2dmrE lol finally understand what situation this song is for.

      [–]chim_city 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      [–]MagicGainbow 300 points301 points  (40 children)

      He got lucky, if she was dumb enough to throw it all away for a pump and dump with a wife beater that she had no long term chance at...she would have done it anyway and chances are not gotten caught (it being Chris Brown is lucky in that pics existed so long term concealment wasn't an option).

      Your buddy has everything going for him, is now single and has had the glamour of marriage kicked in the teeth in front of him...long term I think hell be fine as long as he doesn't take the retarded ex back.

      [–]beta_no_mo 119 points120 points  (11 children)

      Hey, but now she can at least tell everyone that she got plowed by Chris Brown.

      [–]acetylcysteine 111 points112 points  (6 children)

      Especially her next husband.

      [–]Reformed65 96 points97 points  (5 children)

      "But you fucked Chris Brown! Why can't have I have sex?"

      "Well hubby it's because he used me! He charmed me and then dumped me! You're not like that, are you? You're not like Chris Brown?"

      "Oh no no no honey bunny I'm no where near that disgusting man."

      "you sure damn right you ain't nowhere near his level and status, you a tool, fucking well why am I with you instead of him?"

      "What did you say?"

      "Nothing."

      "Oh okay :)"

      [–]throwaway789812 40 points41 points  (2 children)

      Fuckin hell this just is true to such an insane extent.

      Been a beta orbiter for a decade. Re-learning and having to unlearn 20 years of beta-brainwashing is a herculean task but at least I've learned this part all too well.

      NEVER go for a woman with exes with SMVs >yours or too many in the past.

      [–]1kenpachitz 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      20 years

      Jesus Christ. I've been feeling like a bitch for 8 years of industrial strength orbiting and didn't realise some people had been doing it since before I even went to grade school.

      Keep your chin up, man. We'll all get over this eventually.

      [–]Throwawaysteve123456 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      "BS BS BS BS BS BS, then why am I with you, instead of him"? Fuck, I thought that was just my girls phrase. Haha. AWALT.

      [–]MagicGainbow 37 points38 points  (2 children)

      Lol that's not even a decent brag.

      [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      No man should ever be impressed by a woman's sexual escapades. Especially the hot ones.Women are sperm receptacles, the bottleneck of reproduction. Sex is nothing to them. It's all about what that sex can provide them. Only other women find sex with high status guys brag worthy.

      [–]crash11235 41 points42 points  (1 child)

      Absolutely. His friend dodged a huge bullet here (marriage) and learned a valuable lesson as well (AWALT).

      If he's as high value as claimed, he'll be able to pump and dump a few himself, and be on the road to red pill recovery.

      [–]albino_red_head 11 points12 points  (6 children)

      Never even entertain the idea of a girl's weekend away. Do not let your women go out to clubs without you, ever. Never inherently trust a woman, no matter how "strong" or "unique" your relationship is.

      Does everyone here agree with this? I'm a bit conflicted here. This may be LTR advice, but even then, if a woman will be swayed, wouldn't it be wise to get that knowledge out of the way so you can move on? Trying to forcefully control your woman to stay at home when a weekend getaway comes up seems counterintuitive to not giving a fuck.

      [–]gardenofbacchus[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      The more of the redpill you digest you'll realize that things like "stoicism" and "not giving a fuck" are great mantras to live your life by, but they are male abstractions and bear no influence or meaning to a woman. You being stoic and not giving a fuck means nothing to a woman if she's in a position to act on hypergamy.

      We attribute things like controlling possessiveness and jealousy etc etc as beta traits, this is because in terms of male behavior we see it as weak and beta. Women do not. They see you controlling them as being a leader, not weak. As much as we wish women were on the same page as us, that they look at controlling possessive men as beta and weak, they don't. It's wishful thinking, and projecting our male fantasies of a NAWALT, that women somehow are at least receptive to the behaviors we believe they SHOULD be, because it makes rational sense, like stoicism and indifference. They're not. Possessiveness turns them on, they all desire a man who tells them what to do, coupled with him being high SMV and attractive of course. Another depression reality and delusion crushing truth about women.

      [–]MagicGainbow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      It depends on the nature of the weekend and who'd be there, if it was in anyway dodgy i'd say ''you can go but I wont be there when you're back.''

      [–]Squirmme 5 points6 points  (7 children)

      She said yes to being his wife while harboring these potential actions... makes me sick

      [–]MagicGainbow 10 points11 points  (6 children)

      Its not so bad, as of now she pretty much traded in the best she could hope for for a wife beater...chances are future valuable decent men will not be achievable now that it's out.

      She threw away a marriage for Chris Brown of all people...like what was the end goal here? Even if my some strange miracle he decided on the spot that the fiancee was the woman for him and to never look at another...he has a history of beating the shit out of more valuable women than a cheating hoe...their is literally no upside I cam see.

      [–]1empatheticapathetic 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      In her mind that makes him EVEN MORE HIGH VALUE. Even Rihanna wasn't good enough for him, and Rihanna is chasing him herself.

      Twisted logic.

      [–]Squirmme 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      End goal must have been find a way out of this marriage

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 131 points132 points  (11 children)

      The biological mechanisms inherent in female sexual strategy override any and all logical or objective thought and morality

      Female hypergamous biological mechanisms ARE her thought and morality.

      It's not that "hypergamy overrides her morality". The reality is that hypergamy IS her morality. She is what she does. The pretence of morality is just that: a pretence. A pretence that exists to secure her beta bucks.

      She won't feel shame about any of this because this is what she is DESIGNED to do: fuck hot men, get other men to support her with their resources. She'll regret getting caught of course... but not her actions.

      Men see this as a betrayal, women see this as winning. This is a failure of our sexual strategy (ie getting cuckolded), but it is the victory of hers. The only flaw in her plan and her strategy was getting caught.

      But I'm sure she can hamster that it was her boyfriend's fault (for letting her go to the party, for not reacting enough [or too much] when she said she's seeing the guy). If she can make it HIS fault, then she might not get kicked out on her ass.

      This is reality gentleman and there is no escaping it. Hypergamy cannot be reasoned with, stopped or controlled. Live your life accordingly.

      [–]electricspresident 27 points28 points  (0 children)

      Underrated comment, even after so much of reading TRP I've forgotten that 'hypergamy is her morality' thanks for the reminder

      [–]JohnnyCocktails93 11 points12 points  (2 children)

      By not letting her go he would have caused her to resent him, making her more likely to cheat anyway. Focusing on ways to prevent hypergamous female behavior is an exhausting and ultimately fruitless endeavor. She will do as her biology says. TRP is supposed to teach men to accept that. Not find the silver bullet to keep her from cheating. Sure you can max out your own potential and behave in a way where she respects you but ultimately it's just your turn. Theres a fundamental peace of mind to be found in accepting that simple truth.

      [–]setzer_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Well said man. Thanks for the post. Nice to see people still writing good things around here..

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      By not letting her go he would have caused her to resent him, making her more likely to cheat anyway.

      Exactly.

      Focusing on ways to prevent hypergamous female behavior is an exhausting and ultimately fruitless endeavor

      It's better to take advantage of it, than to have it take advantage of you, yes.

      TRP is supposed to teach men to accept that

      But mannnnnn it's a struggle. Too many here have this idea that "I can use TRP to find My One True Love and with my leet TRP dread skillz I can keep her in line and live Happily Ever After (tm)".

      but ultimately it's just your turn. Theres a fundamental peace of mind to be found in accepting that simple truth.

      Absolutely. Not just a peace of mind, but an acceptance that means you live your life very differently.

      [–]PlebDestroyer 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      What do you think about the fact that even A-list celebs like Chris end up catching oneitis as related to his recent restraining order from that one female celeb who's name I cannot spell?

      If there is no escape for Chris Brown and all of his abundance, how can there even be a shred of hope for us?

      Is the answer simply - never LTR? Never play the game?

      I'm starting to think that LTR is THE most beta thing a male can do.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      What do you think about the fact that even A-list celebs like Chris end up catching oneitis as related to his recent restraining order from that one female celeb who's name I cannot spell?

      What makes you think HE is guilty rather than her?

      However, all men are vulnerable to oneitis - most believe in the "one true love" dream, and invest accordingly. They get upset when it doesn't work out. Being a celeb doesn't change this dynamic.

      If there is no escape for Chris Brown and all of his abundance, how can there even be a shred of hope for us?

      Depends what you hope for.

      Is the answer simply - never LTR? Never play the game? / I'm starting to think that LTR is THE most beta thing a male can do.

      My conclusion too.

      Serial monogamy is a reasonable solution, although you have to continually invest in yourself and not let her ever get in a position where she can eviscerate your life when things end.

      [–]1GroundhogLiberator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      But I'm sure she can hamster that it was her boyfriend's fault (for letting her go to the party, for not reacting enough [or too much] when she said she's seeing the guy). If she can make it HIS fault, then she might not get kicked out on her ass.

      We've all gotten a text from someone who spotted a celebrity. How could he have known she was actually with Chris Brown and not just in the same building as him?

      [–]prodigy2throw 181 points182 points  (18 children)

      But Chris Brown is an asshole to women. Women hate assholes!!! - every woman ever.

      [–]OracleofFl 82 points83 points  (12 children)

      ...until it is time to select who they hook up with. They choose that asshole every time.

      [–]prodigy2throw 160 points161 points  (7 children)

      If your girl listens to Chris Brown you're allowed to hit her.

      That's a rule

      [–]2littleblacktruck 32 points33 points  (0 children)

      This comment made my morning. Lol Thx.

      [–]acetylcysteine 38 points39 points  (3 children)

      The fact that a man who knowingly beats women is still able to continue his career with hardly any repercussions is a joke within itself.

      [–]prodigy2throw 29 points30 points  (0 children)

      Tells you all you need to know about women's nature

      [–]gardenofbacchus[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Heard of Jeremy Meeks, buddy? A redpill all-you-can-eat right there

      [–]jackandjill22 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      He left his girlfriend who supported him the entire time through his prison term.

      [–]TaylorWolf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I was at the movie theater the day Chris Browns recent new movie came out. The amount of cute young girls pouring into the theater blew my mind! These girls all looked so young and innocent... dressed properly, glasses, library looking girls. But they all want a glimpse at that abusive bad boy. It was mind blowing moment for me

      [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

      But if he gets her pregnant she is set for life.

      [–]wiseprogressivethink 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      And this is the evolutionary reason why women will throw everything away to be with a celeb for a single night - possibility of procreation with A+ Alpha is worth it.

      [–]gardenofbacchus[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I also specifically remember seeing this girl "like" a status on a mutual friend's facebook a while ago that was ragging on C Breeze for being a woman-beater and how the OP was glad he'd never be let in to our country (Australia). Fucking poetry.

      [–]russe1lwestbrook 61 points62 points  (4 children)

      This is the heart of Red Pill for me. Many make trp out to be this amazing gem they've discovered, when in fact trp is not paradise, its reality. Reality is a bitch and even within the top 10% of successful red pillers, many of them will never be celebrity millionaires, and knowing chicks can at any time get on their knees and let another dude cum on their face after she said she loves you is painful reality. She does love you, but her nature is like OP said, in the presence of such an intoxicating male presence with status she can't help herself. And that's what it means to swallow the pill to accept that reality, not just "get buff be alpha get bitches"

      [–]1empatheticapathetic 19 points20 points  (0 children)

      You stop caring once you've read about it or heard about it enough times. Another dude has already came on that girls face before she met you. It's going to happen after you, the (formerly) hurtful part was not realising when your time period was over while still investing in her.

      [–]Jenk3383 59 points60 points  (6 children)

      Had a girl cheat on me with a semi famous European DJ while on vacation in Paris. They had an ongoing text friendship before this which she claims was strictly platonic. She came back from her trip and said they were dating now and she was sorry for cheating. I replied "bullet dodged" and ghosted. It worked and she begged for me back. I wisely (or maybe foolishly) plated her instead of getting back into a relationship. The DJ is performing in our city this week. He's banging her as I type this. AWALT.

      [–]gardenofbacchus[S] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

      A guy I used to rent a warehouse space off, his girlfriend used to tour Europe "DJing" for a month at a time and she was fucking Russel Brand the entire time. Absolutely amazing, the guy's whole life fell apart and he was sleeping in the warehouse in a sleeping bag, surrounded by garbage. A 36 year old man. I'd often hear him on the phone to her begging and crying at all hours of the night. A horrid memory for sure, the sound of a grown man sobbing to a woman while she's being dicked by a celebrity in another country

      [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      women touring is euphemism for groupie which is euphemism for band harem.

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      [–]Your_Coke_Dealer 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      The Clintons are a poor example; I don't think Bill and Hillary were ever married for anything besides being a mutually beneficial political power couple. Bill cheated a lot (and got caught), and it's not a stretch to assume Hillary would have as well even without her daughter looking like the offspring of Webb Hubbell.

      [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      Women even cheated on Emperors, Pharaohs, Kings, Chiefs, and top military leaders during the peak of patriarchy past where they had awful punishments at their disposal. Us plebs aren't safe either.

      [–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (6 children)

      Didn't Rihanna give him herpes, which is why he knocked the shit out of her?

      So, now your friend's unicorn probably has herpes too.

      Classy.

      But whey did he "come home"? Did he quit his job over this stupid twat?

      [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      He beat the hell out of her because she hit him in the face with her shoe? while he was driving. She didn't cop to that little tidbit of information until a radio interview well after the incident occurred, but you'll never hear that in the conversation about "woman beater Chris Brown". The narrative is too strong. That doesn't mean he's some angel though and I suspect he's the type that has a hair trigger and jump to physical violence regardless. Just something about his personality that gives me that vibe about him.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      That doesn't mean he's some angel though and I suspect he's the type that has a hair trigger and jump to physical violence regardless. Just something about his personality that gives me that vibe about him.

      That's probably what attracted Rihanna to him in the first place.

      [–]juliusstreicher 37 points38 points  (1 child)

      Didn't Rihanna give him herpes, which is why he knocked the shit out of her? So, now your friend's unicorn probably has herpes too.

      Which means that the friend has it, since the whore didn't let on for 2 weeks.

      [–]Ninokun 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      they had an Argument because she found sexually explicit messages on Chris Browns phone and she became physical first, even threw a book at full force on him once., thats when he snapped, why you think he isnt in Jail.

      Black people hit each other regularly anyway, same in thailand mind you, Women get violent extremely easy, I wouldnt advice hitting back full force, but a good ol slap in retaliation is actually better than just taking it. U should never hit a women if she didnt hit u first tough, thats not gonna make her respect you,.

      [–]JackGetsIt 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Don't forget lesbian couples. They are brutal as fuck to each other sometimes.

      [–]Barvazon 17 points18 points  (1 child)

      Mistake two. Mistake three.

      Mate guarding would not help him. He's already lost.

      [–]thedaynos 52 points53 points  (9 children)

      you point out mistake one, two, and three as if your friend could have made any different decisions, or made any mistake at all that could have changed this whore's life course here.

      you admit that chris brown is way better than this man. so is your friend supposed to 1) not let her go out? meaning, lock her up or "ground" her? 2) text back with something better than an emoji as if that would make him BETTER than chris brown? 3) calling her on saturday would not have changed anything, at all.

      not sure what the lesson learned here is aside from AWALT

      [–]tyrryt 19 points20 points  (7 children)

      The lesson is that if your fiancee says she's going Vegas with her friends, tell her she'll need to find another sucker to finance her when she gets back.

      [–]reecewagner 203 points204 points  (36 children)

      I feel like this post contradicts itself. Women are going to do what they want - she's not yours, it's just your turn. "Do not let your women go out to clubs with you, ever." LOL? This isn't Saudi Arabia bud. Women are self-directed human beings, and if mine wants to go out and pop Chris Brown's dong in her mouth, enjoy loneliness darling, there are plenty of other vaginas in the sea.

      [–]JackGetsIt 41 points42 points  (8 children)

      He said, "never let women go out to clubs without you, ever" and this is pretty good advice. Especially clubs in major cities that have lots of high power men and players. You're just asking for disaster.

      If you've ever met a higher quality women who had a good father figure they will actively shun this lifestyle (after getting into an LTR) because they deep down know that it's a recipe for disaster and they don't want to blow up a marriage (or potential marriage/meal ticket). That's actually a good way to piss off a trad-con women to tell her it's OK to go clubbing with the girls. She will see you as a weak beta bitch and then she will actually want to go clubbing.

      Sometimes early in a relationship women will ask if they can go out with the girls just to test your reaction.

      [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

      -"How would you feel about me clubbing with the girls tonight?"

      -"Cool, have fun. (Being single)"

      [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      "How would you feel about me clubbing with the girls tonight?"

      How do you feel about being single again?

      [–]PlebDestroyer 19 points20 points  (4 children)

      Sometimes early in a relationship women will ask if they can go out with the girls just to test your reaction.

      Yes. And if you do what you're suggesting then you will come off as needy and highly invested, thus lowering her attraction to you and increasing her likelyness to cheat.

      This is like TRP 1st page stuff man.

      Say yes you can go out. If she does, then plate her.

      [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 25 points26 points  (0 children)

      "Do not let your women go out to clubs with you, ever."

      It has nothing to do with let. It's a question of what she brings to the equation. If she wants long term COMMITMENT then she shouldn't be going to clubs without you. If she just wants to fuck, give her a kiss on the cheek and tell her to have a good time. It's her choice.

      [–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 23 points24 points  (12 children)

      How will you know your girl just popped CBs dong in her mouth?

      Are you comfortable kissing her for days? You may never even find out. That's the problem with your hands off approach.

      Set boundaries and enforce then.

      A woman not going out to clubs/bars alone is a very reasonable boundary to set. If she doesn't like it then bounce, otherwise you could be the schlub kissing a woman that just got a celeb load in her mouth because you're so alpha and confident

      [–]reecewagner 6 points7 points  (4 children)

      There's validity to this also. Perhaps I stay too emotionally detached to care.

      [–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 9 points10 points  (3 children)

      I think your way is the best way to go if you're guaranteed to find out.

      My goal isn't to stop my girl from cheating, if she wants to cheat she will.

      My goal is to not let it happen under my nose and never find out.

      [–]samenrofringslikeLBJ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      What are some good ways to find out? I had that happen to me years ago, went on a business trip over the weekend and got back to an LTR that did 3 dudes while texting me I miss you bla bla. It took 3 weeks before a guy told me about 1 of them and the rest she confessed to me. I'm definetly in the emotionally detached group ever since, I have no intention of entering an LTR in the next 10+ years and just keep 3-4 active FWB's at a time.

      [–]richardguy 2 points3 points  (5 children)

      Yeah, I'm not really certain I agree with the whole 'you seeing other people hun? fine by me' approach half the guys here seem to have. Especially the LTRs. I won't lose my head about it but if there is a serious commitment with a young lady in my life I will let her know I am not down with letting her hang out with other dudes, alone.

      [–]recursoinominado 96 points97 points  (4 children)

      Women are self-directed human beings, and if mine wants to go out and pop Chris Brown's dong in her mouth, enjoy loneliness darling, there are plenty of other vaginas in the sea.

      Fucking gold, i think this mentality is a LOT healthier than "never get in a serious relationship with women again."

      I am in a LTR and i am aware that she can cheat me anytime, but if she does, its her loss, seriously, red pilled men are fucking RARE, she probably will never able to find another man like me in her entire life and will end up with a spineless beta that can't make her pussy wet even if his life depends on it. Like this hoe that OP's talk about, she is fucked, literally.

      [–]CQC3 40 points41 points  (0 children)

      Pretty much. That's the red pill in a nutshell for me.

      It's all about odds, opportunity and probability. AWALT; all women CAN cheat. Question is if it will be worth it for them. The better you are, the less worth it. The BP mindset will blind you to sexual dynamics, that's the TLDR of it. It blinds you from the ruthless selection process and how no option is ever really permanent. People come and go. Culture also warps the rules of this process.

      ALTHOUGH, it's not always that clear cut. Many bitches are irrational and fucked in the head, they'll cheat on you for arbitrary reasons if you can get away with it. Proper vetting is so important, it's important to get a good feel for people. Vetting won't prevent you getting cheated on, but generally speaking you want to be with a woman who--if she did cheat, it would be for obvious or logical reasons like a higher value man appeared out of the wild and offered something of equivalent or more value than you do. Sometimes this "thing" of more value isn't always clear to guys, but if it's more valuable to her then that is all she needs.

      Women will make mistakes and believe they're getting a better deal, then when they find out they had it better with you well, we know what happens then. Inbox: heyyyyy

      [–]wardamneagle23 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I think this is a view that seems to be under-expressed on this sub. I agree

      [–][deleted] 139 points140 points  (19 children)

      .."His huge dick is public knowledge." I knew nothing of Chris Brown's big dick. You keep repeating it like I was expected to know another man's size. And the way you're talking about it, makes me think you only wrote this because you wanted that "BBC workout".

      [–]sourdieselfuel 91 points92 points  (3 children)

      I think OP is secretly in love with Chris Brown.

      [–]RichieFinn 72 points73 points  (0 children)

      OP IS Chris Brown. Hes in a low place, any publicity will do.

      [–]JE_12 9 points10 points  (4 children)

      Game is the only one I've heard of because he keeps posting pics like this on IG

      [–]WolfofAnarchy 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      Hahahaha what a beast. Also a piece of fucking shit but he literally gives zero fucks, which is admirable.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Woooow. Someone's been popping a few too many benzos

      [–]Honduran 43 points44 points  (5 children)

      If the only thing between your girl and infidelity is "a night out" then "a night out" isn't your problem. Remember that.

      [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      Your response overlooks 2 important factors:

      Believe it or not there are many women who under normal circumstances would never cheat. What changes with "a night out" is the addition of 1. booze and 2. access to high status men. Add those two things into the mix and all bets are off.

      This is why club sluts are best to be avoided, to include taken women who think it's okay to go out and behave as if they're single, which I described above as a failure to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

      Legit LTR quality women will tell their friends she has to be home by 11 or 12 and will be a stick in the mud all night (good), or that she isn't comfortable going out with them to bars/clubs (better).

      [–]PlebDestroyer 9 points10 points  (3 children)

      your girl

      exactly who's girl isn't "a night out" the only thing between your relationship and infidelity? Last time I checked, hypergamy is universal.

      In other words, either your girl simply doesn't have nights out (or even leaves the house without you. see: Afghanistan)

      OR

      You drop the idea of "your girl" entirely because monogamy and hypergamy do not mix.

      [–]Ninokun 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      u dont need to live in afghanistan to have a girl that has at least the respect, to not go partying all night in an environment made looking for hookups lol.

      Generally its best to look for girls that rarely went out before the start of the relationship anyway. checking her facebook is a good Indicator, too much pics of alcohol in any kind of situation is a dead giveaway.

      [–]PlebDestroyer 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Checking the car fact's doesn't guarantee shit. You need some sort of methodology on how to handle an incident (have car insurance) or not bother with owning a car at all and uber everywhere.

      [–]biggerbetterjobs 70 points71 points  (7 children)

      Never even entertain the idea of a girl's weekend away. Do not let your women go out to clubs without you, ever. Never inherently trust a woman, no matter how "strong" or "unique" your relationship is.

      I understand your shock with your friend's situation.. But it's literally impossible to just "not let her go out" without being an actual abusive loser who holds their girlfriend hostage. Women are going to do whatever they want whether it's being straight up with you, lying to you and doing it behind your back, or dumping/running away from you. Or if they actually do obey your requests, they'll guilt trip you, call you insecure, lose respect for you etc..

      Understand hypergamy, don't dwell in bitterness but really understand it and internalize it.

      And when you do this, it's almost like reaching nirvana with respect to sexual dynamics. There's nothing you can do so there's no sense in dwelling or being bitter. There's an endless supply of attractive women with decent personalities and even if they're taken, you really don't need to be a top tier guy on the level of Chris Brown to hook up with or sweep a girl off her feet who's in a relationship.

      On a lighter note. Your friend's eskimo brothers with Chris Brown. At least that's kind of cool and worth some locker room talk credibility... NOT TO SOUND LIKE A CUCK OR ANYTHING LMFAO

      [–]CQC3 20 points21 points  (0 children)

      Agreed. I thought the whole point of "she's not yours, it's just your turn" was that you should let go of control of such behaviors.

      It's also not tremendously great for your reputation. I think it's fine to put your foot down and draw the line of what is or is not acceptable, but that's just a modus operandi, not really practical if you want an LTR--and that's where the issue lies. Having a "real" LTR is sketchy at best. It obviously requires trust, and if you've been here long enough that notion is something to laugh at. If you're going to trust someone, always do so being prepared to have it broken. Never trust believing the worst case scenario is unthinkable.

      Your friend's eskimo brothers with Chris Brown

      HAHAHAHAHAHA

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        [–]biggerbetterjobs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        If my girlfriend insisted on doing something like that, going to Vegas alone to party, I'd probably break up with her because I find that unacceptable.

        This is acceptable and the healthy way to deal with a violation of boundaries.

        What I was insisting upon is telling your girlfriend you do not permit her to go out to clubs or whatever yet staying in the relationship with her.. As in actually not permitting her to leave the house.. Not saying "I'm not okay with that and I can't date someone who likes to go out to clubs", breaking up or resolving the issue and carrying on with your life. The former isn't healthy, the latter is totally acceptable.

        That being said, I'd encourage someone to look at themselves in the mirror and ask them why they're uncomfortable with their girlfriend going out with friends now and then. Is it that their girlfriend acts sketchy as shit about it and acting like a ho? Or are you personally insecure about it because of what you read at the red pill, a prior time getting cheated on, etc..

        It's wrong to jump to conclusions before you see obvious evidence. IE: texts from ex-boyfriend (unless he's an obvious bitch who left her for obvious reasons and plays nice guy cuck/gay friend), random chads blowing up her social media (not just IG likes), stuff she's obviously trying to hide, she's acting funny about etc.. It's pretty easy to tell when a chick's being a slut because if you're relatively experienced with dating, you've dealt with your fair share of sluts/manipulators. A girl having a social life and having a night out with friends does not necessarily correlate to slut behavior.

        That being said, don't ever doubt that a homebody "unicorn" type hot girl with "no friends" who essentially exists as your waifu can't get dick at the drop of an instagram post delivered to her quicker than dominoes half hour guarantee. Dated that type of girl, been there done that. Got cheated on and left cause I was a beta bitch. If a girl's gonna cheat she'll cheat and she can do it whenever she wants. Doesn't matter if she's a homebody or a club slut.

        [–]JohnGalt316 37 points38 points  (8 children)

        lol @ wifing up a nurse

        that is a top tier slut profession

        only thing worse are teachers

        any girl worth keeping in a LTR would be over clubbing at this point

        [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 31 points32 points  (4 children)

        haha for real. nurses are top grade whores

        [–]Med_rapper 21 points22 points  (2 children)

        As a medical student I can confirm this.

        [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        i don't know what it is about that profession. i've got to know many nurses through two of my buddies, who are also nurses. every hospital is a fuck fest pretty much.

        [–]Med_rapper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Stress and a lack of men around. My medical school is like 70% female, 10% fags, 15% nice guys, 4% of dudes who just mind their own business and 1% studs who tap all the girls.

        [–]iAMTinman_Dealwithit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        100% agree. Never date a teacher. They will talk to you like their kids.

        Soure: Experience.

        [–]Thizzlebot 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        that is a top tier slut profession only thing worse are teachers

        lol are you guys serious? Waitress and bartender are the worst BY FAR

        [–]Steve_Wiener 50 points51 points  (13 children)

        The biological mechanisms inherent in female sexual strategy override any and all logical or objective thought and morality.

        This is bullshit. This is giving women an excuse and letting them not be held accountable for their actions. Women can control themselves, she chose not to.

        [–]sonder_one 13 points14 points  (1 child)

        Women have no agency. Feminism says so. Our experiences say so. Egalitarianism is an ideal, not a science. We are not the same.

        [–]samenrofringslikeLBJ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        A woman is similiar to a child, we don't hold children responsible, we show them the consequences and hope that they learn. But women by definition can't comprehend cause-effect-reaction, hence why amused mastery is the key to interacting with females, just smile and be happy and next her back to the CC.

        [–]2awalt_cupcake 16 points17 points  (9 children)

        There was a thread on here a while back showing how women have different chemicals in their brain during stressful situations. All signs pointed to they literally cannot control themselves. Their biology makes them indulge and look the other way on self introspection and discipline.

        [–]Wizardglick 22 points23 points  (1 child)

        I think your friend should be happy that he found out before he married her. Sucks, but it would suck more if he had to pay alimony. And I couldn't find anything on this. Do you have a site where these pics are?

        [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        You're assuming NAWALT. The vast majority of every female that has ever existed would have done the same in these circumstances. Opportunity and convenience are the only barrier to such things.

        [–]LeJamesBron32 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Dude we've got to see these pics. I'm about to do some detective work.

        [–]CQC3 17 points18 points  (5 children)

        While I don't doubt the message of hypergamy and AWALT, what is happening here is a bit more than that.

        It's really a case of ego validation. You see, women grow up having something valuable that the world wants in some parts greater or lesser depending on her looks--the vagina. Imagine if you were born with such a thing, you'd have a hard time finding other qualities that could trump the inherent value that your vagina already has.

        My point is that it isn't just hypergamy at work here, it's about massive ego validation and opportunism that is worth--clearly, FAR more than a good relationship with your soon to be husband who is already quite the catch (where have all the good men gone?)

        Just being able to be Chris Brown's pump and dump is an enormous and intoxicating ego-validation that is worth destroying your entire relationship with your fiance. You'll forever be able to brag that you were "good enough" to be dicked by Chris Brown to all your girlfriends for the social cred that's worth. But you have more value than just what your pussy offers right? Even though you stake your entire value on what man you can latch on to for an accurate estimation of your self worth.

        Women use men as sounding boards for their own status. Never forget that. Always look at the actions, women will cry about how they are objectified and how the sexist patriarchy dehumanizes women into sex objects.

        I'm not in the anger phase though, I won't look at every woman and say that she is like this, because that is not true. However, you should always know that every woman is capable of this. It's not unthinkable.

        [–]juliusstreicher 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Just being able to be Chris Brown's pump and dump is an enormous and intoxicating ego-validation that is worth destroying your entire relationship with your fiance. You'll forever be able to brag that you were "good enough" to be dicked by Chris Brown to all your girlfriends for the social cred that's worth. But you have more value than just what your pussy offers right? Even though you stake your entire value on what man you can latch on to for an accurate estimation of your self worth.

        Further, if she has a good publicist, she can work herself into being quite a porn celebrity in her own right. Imagine how Brazzers, et al, could market "the girl who fucked Chris Brown", and a few interviews on Maury or wtf talk shows put this kind of stuff on. A new Farah Abraham.

        [–]zeeohsixer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        "You'll forever be able to brag that you were "good enough" to be dicked by Chris Brown to all your girlfriends for the social cred that's worth."

        And this right here gents is the fucking problem. Women value celebrity status above all else. Who is Chris Brown really? He is a piece of shit thug who can sing songs he probably doesn't even write. He won the lottery of life, lots of people can sing good BFD. I don't think women know what a real alpha male is, nor are they good at judging men. Much of this can be blamed on the softening of our society and the lack of strong male role models in young women's lives, the rest is in nature.

        Chesty Puller> Chris Brown -Most people don't know who one of those men are. Another problem.

        [–]jonathanthesage 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Chris wrote a song about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRN_LkCa_o

        [–]1swaglordobama 21 points22 points  (1 child)

        So what? Why so shocked? Why is it at all unbelievable? I would be more surprised if she didn't.

        Girls like sex, girls like high status males. Celebrity status is near the peak of SMV.

        Don't act for a fucking second that if you were at a bar/club on a trip without your girlfriend and some stunner approached you and wanted to hook up you wouldn't do it. Let's say it was Megan Fox from 10 years ago. Would you really say no?? Come on...

        Even if the condom broke and the girl got pregnant, her having chris brown's baby comes with many perks for her.

        Get over monogamy. Relationships are wonderful but polygamy is our nature. Social conditioning tells you that you and your partner have to be exclusive with eachother, but honestly that's a crock of shit.

        Girls view emotional investment in relationships as much more important than physical investment. Sex with other partners, for you and her, is not a big deal as long as neither of you are becoming emotionally attached to them. I agree with that. Girls tend to be open to that as long as you're upfront about it. It's only when you are dishonest / sneaky about it that it becomes a problem.

        Also lmao at the guys in here bashing Chris Brown. His music may suck but he fucking slays. Respect other people's success, don't bash it. There's a reason he is where he is and you aren't.

        [–]el_Technico 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Sounds like Chris Brown did your friend a favour.

        [–]JackGetsIt 18 points19 points  (1 child)

        I did not know Chris Brown was branching out into the fitness industry.

        Is this 'BBC workout' an isolation high rep low weight workout? Or more compound movements like squat and deadlift?

        [–]Pragmaticpandas 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        I'm guessing it's primarily hip thrusts

        [–]electricspresident 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Are the photos coming? I mean she is covering her face so I don't see what the big deal is

        [–]D3ATH94 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        He's lying for internet points, just ignore him.

        [–]PlebDestroyer 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        So the only way to win the game is not to play.

        Don't fucking play.

        Edit: Jesus christ this is one of the sickest things I have ever read. That fucking ending hit so hard.

        [–]useyourmouth 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Only one thing for your friend to do now...make it his life's pursuit to fuck Chris Brown's mother.

        [–]1The_BitterTruth 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I don't really think you can chalk this up as mistakes on the guys behalf. She chose to be a whore and cheat on him. The responsibility is on her.

        [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        Mistake 1 was him becoming exclusive with her and then obsessing over her actions--giving her the power to crush him emotionally.

        [–]Reformed65 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Under the assumption that this is real (as this is a hot topic, hot enough for the mods to chime in and verify), this is only natural.

        Why is it that women, when they become old and ugly, do they talk about bad boys dumping them? It is because that's when they acknowledge the "dumping" part. Before, in their prime, they didn't know the value and consequence of a break-up since the second the broke up happened, they'd find another man.

        She, and all women, are under the assumption that if they're beautiful enough to attract a man sexually, then she's beautiful enough to earn his monogamy commitment.

        She has been alpha-widowed, this was a once in a life-time opportunity, she's stuck in her own world but eventually when she hits the wall and marries a poor beta, she will see Chris Brown on TV (maybe, he and his career survives that long) with younger women and she will then realise that she had been played.

        For now, she will boast to all her friends of this encounter with him. Just like how Monica Lewisky couldn't hide the fact that she was "so beautiful that even THE President of the USA had to fuck her."

        I remember seeing another comment a few weeks ago, of a man and his submissive and feminine wife, one day a superstar came to the local mall and the man and his wife met him there, due to the actions of his wife that she had shown, he came to the conclusion and stated "if he (the star) had asked, she would suck his dick at that moment."

        [–]jamesbwbevis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Op is pointing out "mistakes" his friend made as if that matters.

        You shouldn't want to seriously date or marry anyone that would cheat on you as soon as someone better wants them .

        It just so happens that is every woman on the planet.

        In other words, never marry or even date seriously because she doesn't love you, you're just her best option at the moment

        [–]d3g4d0 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        I'm failing to see your buddies so called mistakes. She's not yours, it's just your turn. He shouldn't have gotten engaged in the first place. He dodged a bullet. Completely destroyed? Moving back home? Please. Why? That's taking 10 steps backward.

        "Never even entertain the idea of a girl's weekend away. Do not let your women go out to clubs without you, ever. Never inherently trust a woman, no matter how 'strong' or 'unique' your relationship is."

        This is mate guarding 101. When it really boils down why should you care about your woman going out to the club without you? If she cheats, she's cut from your roster. It's as simple as that.

        [–]casecarino 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        these hoes ain't loyal.. lol

        [–]TheWaterTemple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Your friend fucked up by having a fiance. Mistake one

        [–]meaningintragedy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Mistake one
        Mistake two
        Mistake three

        Personally I don't see these as mistakes. Preventing her from doing what she did would only delay discovering her true self.
        It's good he knows this after 4 years instead of 20 years of marriage (and getting divorce raped).

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Your boy should love Chris Brown for saving him this thot.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Actually makes allot of sense. If this story is actually true then your friend at least has to recognize that. I've seen girls cheat with actual lower SMV guys for god who knows what reason. Apart from the shit genetics Chrissy has, he certainly has got the alpha swagger down because of his superstar fame. It's this social status that made his girlfriend turn hoe. It's actually somewhat sad but then again, I bet every single guy here would bang a female super star if he could just for the achievement. For women it's slightly more whorish and she definitely took a hit to her own SMV in order to get that 'experience' but one the other hand. How can you blame anyone.

        What I find ten times more sad are the hordes of girls who attend concerts of super stars and shit, screaming like idiots and fooling themselves they have any sort of shot with him. Wasting daddies money. It just shows how little women understand their own SMV. This girl actually did it, so yeah AWALT but effective. Which is more than most skanks could say they are.

        His huge dick is public knowledge.

        This is just plain wrong. I've seen the NSFW pictures and he's a dicklet man. Take it from a guy who's hung, he definitely ain't. This just proves how people will say inaccurate bullshit about someone who has high social proof. Like a fucking rap star.

        He is extremely good looking.

        Also highly debatable.

        [–]wanderer779 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        This is a good example of how your mindset and reaction to events is often way more important than the events themselves. I know a guy who slept with probably hundreds of women. If this happened to him he'd probably look at it like, "hey, I was able to pull a girl that a celebrity who could sleep with anyone was interested in. Now have a hilarious story, plus I'm single and I have a good career. Life is good."

        [–]MrBellsprout123 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        Not to mention Chris Brown beat the shit out of Rihanna, and no bitches give a shit about it.

        [–]sepelion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Chris Brown isn't better than her man. She'll learn that soon enough, if she hasn't already. She's a weak-willed slut who is no different than a pig addicted to junk food.

        [–]F_Dingo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Your friend just dodged a bullet thanks to Chris Brown. Imagine the abyss he'd be staring into if he was married.

        Do I let my wife continue to cheat on me or get my clock cleaned in divorce court?

        [–]Zack9764 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Sacrificing a wonderful long term relationship to fuck a guy for one night. How little self control can you possibly have lmao

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Damn I know Chris doesn't give a shit but I'd be worried about some beta faggot killing me cuz he trusts women.

        [–]Lampcookie 10 points11 points  (5 children)

        The statement 'not letting your woman do x, y, and z without you' is fucking pointless. It's honestly such a beta thing to say. Why be in a relationship with someone you don't trust? Personally, I have better things to do than worry if my girl is cheating.

        If AWALT, then maybe relationships aren't for you.

        And if they do cheat on you? Oh well, their loss right? You just hard next and move on.

        Just my two cents.

        [–]yes_we_can_t 3 points4 points  (4 children)

        Truth, hard next is obvious, but how do you know they cheated, unless they're dumb or unlucky enough to be outed?

        [–]Lampcookie 6 points7 points  (2 children)

        You don't, really. That's the risk you take while developing a relationship with someone. That's why I said maybe relationships aren't for you if you have a problem with that.

        I believe in full transparency, but a lot of people are snakes. If I find someone who matches my personality in regards to honesty and willingness to give information instead of requiring interrogation, I might consider an LTR. That way if they cheat, you will probably hear it from them first.

        [–]Conceited-Monkey 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        How on earth were points one to three mistakes that the fellow could have behaved a lot differently? If a girl wants to go out, she can unless you lock her up, and if she is dying to fuck a celebrity she can do that too. The only solution to hypergamy is to maintain your own SMV, and to not be afraid to replace women when necessary. The guy in this story is lucky. He could very well have been married to her, and she would do this, and then he would also get to experience divorce rape.

        [–]three_seven_three 2 points3 points  (11 children)

        Should I just kill myself? A life like this isn't worth living. Nothing I do is gonna be enough. Nothing special about me. This is so tragic and AWALT is more real now than ever. What's the point?

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