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Meta"We are working on changes to make reddit a safer space for discourse." (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorGarl_Vinland

I've always wondered how long reddit would let subs like this exist. Over the past few months there has been an increasing amount of censorship (just look at the CEO lawsuit shit) and shadowbans resulting from it.

Yesterday, reddit admin /u/kickme444 had this to say:

We have a problem right now where there are people/communities that exist under the "freedom of expression" point, that do not create a safe space to encourage participation.

The order of these points is important and a safe space to have discourse is of the upmost importance to reddit. We are working on changes to make reddit a safer space for discourse.

If you're not familiar with the term, 'safe space' is pure SJW-speak for a hugbox. And he used it 3 times in as many sentences. Who do you think is going to define what makes a space safe?

Surprisingly, I don't see many people talking about this. To me, this is as close to a warning as we're ever going to get. Either admin imposed changes to subs or full subreddit bans are the only thing he could be alluding to.

To restate what has been said before, www.puerarchy.com is the place to go for news in case of a shut down.


[–]1Halfjor 606 points607 points  (187 children)

Reddit is home to communities like /r/picsofdeadkids and /r/coontown, yet TRP gets the most vitrol.

I know some people feel "threatened", but at the end of the day the vehement opposition to TRP still blows my mind. Where's the evidence of doxxing and malicious activity that places like /r/shitredditsays have? How many times has TRP raided other parts of reddit? Show me the rape strategies and the horrifying discussions that take place here. Show me all the exploited people and damage TRP has caused.

Maybe if it was a small community you could brush it off or censor it. TRP now has over 100,000 subscribers. Our discussions are more thought out and intelligent than 99% of the communities on this website. Hate speech? Unsafe space? If you can't handle swearing and rough language you should go back to fucking kindergarten.

If you want a very simple compass for who has the wrong ideas and intentions, look for the people that want censorship. If you can't push your ideas without censorship, you have shitty ideas. Ideas that can't face opposition or criticism are automatically bad. Nothing intelligent or well thought is produced in a censorship ridden echo-chamber. Take a look around TRP. We don't censor anything. Thoughts and ideas flow. Opposing viewpoints are deconstructed, analyzed, and discussed. We don't have language guidelines and bullshit "safe space" rules. That is how strong and valuable ideas are developed.

Fuck man. /r/TheRedPill is populated by 110,000 men. They discuss what's important to them. It's not about women. It's not about hate or ignorance. It's about men. A huge amount of the discussion is unrelated to women. Fitness, careers, non-romantic social issues, and much more.

I can't even imagine how stupid someone must be to think the could justify censoring this community. If I had my way I wouldn't ban anyone that had different views than me. SRS, TwoX, Feminism, and any other communities like that are welcome on reddit. Free and open discussion is the key to a healthy society. I think most everyone here would agree with me.

Censorship makes me fucking sick. If this community is banned, reddit is officially dead.

[–][deleted] 186 points187 points  (30 children)

Maybe if it was a small community you could brush it off or censor it. TRP now has over 100,000 subscribers. Our discussions are more thought out and intelligent than 99% of the communities on this website. Hate speech? Unsafe space?

One of the things that brought me here was just the sheer number of traits of intelligent discourse. Which other subreddit do you get a hundred thousand people writing structured essays with good grammar and reliably getting others to read the entire thing? Even subs dedicated to things like academia don't get that and feminist subs sure as hell don't get any of that.

[–]widec 53 points54 points  (13 children)

It's also a place where you can argue just about anything you wish, as long as you have some facts or knowledge to back your statements up. There's some topics that you can't even mention on most subreddits without getting yourself banned or the post/comment deleted.

[–]puaSenator 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Not only that. You can come in with no facts and a terrible position everyone disagrees with. That's why TRP gets shot about talking about rape apology and violence. It's not that we condone it, but so long as the person is genuine and makes an honest attempt with their position, no matter how disagreeable it is, we will entertain it and discuss it.

[–]mister_barfly75 10 points11 points  (10 children)

There's some topics that you can't even mention on most subreddits without getting yourself banned or the post/comment deleted.

You've just posted on TRP. Now go and see if you can post on /r/offmychest. Chances are, you can't - you're an active member here so you've already been banned there. A lot of subs on Reddit are all for freedom of speech but only if you agree with their Mods' agenda.

[–]mryddlin 5 points6 points  (1 child)

haha, I just visited the subreddit, got banned.

also got banned from / sex because of the last RANT - why do I have be dominate man all the time ,why don't women want submissive men.

you've been banned subreddit message via / offmychest / sent 57 minutes ago you have been banned from posting to / offmychest:

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    [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    LOL. Yep. I am banned. The fear must be pretty strong in those ones.

    [–]Enzemo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    I just went there after commenting here and was autobanned. Do they run some bot to scan users post history or something? Seems extremely petty

    [–]mister_barfly75 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    As far as I can tell they have a autoban feature which automatically weeds out anyone who posts in TRP or fatpeoplehate.

    [–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (6 children)

    Dude, EXACTLY. When I discovered TRP it was a shock to my system because it was so obviously created by intelligent and articulate people.

    It's hilarious. My job is non-intellectual, and when people ask me what I do for fun i occasionally mention the fact that I enjoy reading and writing sociological theories on the Internet. They look at me confused because they don't know why I would do that. They don't like reading and writing because it is not fun for them. LOL!

    (Coincidentally, those same people who would never think that anything "smart" was "fun," are all somewhere on the SJW spectrum.)

    I'm here because it's fucking fun and I learn new shit every day here. It feels like the only place I can truly be myself to be honest!

    [–]Jigsus 12 points13 points  (3 children)

    This thread is becoming a hugbox.

    I guess trp is a safe space.

    [–]GuidoBandito 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    You just inspired me to write again.

    [–]sweetleef 28 points29 points  (3 children)

    How does that have anything to do with the mods' agenda?

    If intelligent discourse were a deciding factor, they wouldn't be using phrases like "safe spaces" in the first place.

    They don't give a shit about discourse - this is about corporate pressure to get rid of non-PC material, and mods imposing their biases on the people they have power over.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 27 points28 points  (0 children)

    You should differentiate between

    Reddit Admins which have control over all of reddit

    and

    Reddit Mods which basically only have control over one particular sub.

    Admins can fuck things up for us. Mods generally cant.

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      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      No half the subs are dedicated to links to lolcats and adviceanimals and other internet memes.

      [–]snakehayter 91 points92 points  (47 children)

      You're trying to find logic behind SJW's actions, there is no point. Our discussions are safe, helpful to the uninitiated, and unrelated to what SJWs associate us with(I.E date rapists or domestic violence).

      The real problem is our discussions don't fit the modern SJW narrative. We talk about things like how women arent infallible, being fit is healthy, men being masculine should be encouraged instead of shamed, and how feminists/sjws spew bullshit, these topics dont fit the narrative, so we get censored, because SJWs obviously have no valid argument to make against us besides dragging our name through the dirt.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM&feature=share this video will explain a lot

      [–]1Dark-Ulfberht 76 points77 points  (16 children)

      It's not hard to understand the logic behind SJW actions; the problem is that you are looking at their arguments.

      Just remember that humans don't do justice; they do power. They just use words like "justice" to help sell their particular form of power-grab to outsiders.

      Pay no attention to their arguments; there is no point in trying to find logic in those. Recognize that these arguments exist only as a form of marketing. Always remember, pay attention to what people do, not what they say. Once you start doing this, it's a lot easier to figure out why people do what they do.

      [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

      This. SJWs are little more than power-hungry authoritarians with some window-dressing that only naive morons can't recognize for what it is. Unfortunately, the world is made up of naive morons.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (12 children)

      Just remember that humans don't do justice; they do power. They just use words like "justice" to help sell their particular form of power-grab to outsiders.

      At the risk of downvotes... Some people are just trying to bring justice. I've met a lot of volunteers and (non-feminist) activists who are very sincere.

      [–]1Dark-Ulfberht 23 points24 points  (6 children)

      I have, too. And, when I peel that onion back ever so slightly, I find people typically do these jobs because it gives them a sense of superiority over those they are "helping."

      As an example, I recall a social worker who would, from time to time, interact with my social circle. She sucked in a lot of ways: unattractive, poorly educated, quite unintelligent and rather slovenly. Of course, her favorite thing to do was talk about the bad decision-making skills of her "clients" and all the good she was doing trying to rescue them.

      Once, the last time I spoke with her I think, I called her bullshit. I said quite frankly that, of all our social circle, she was by far the least talented and accomplished by any measure and that I could only imagine that the reason she enjoyed the company of deadbeats was because it gave her some delusional sense of superiority.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      Oh yeah for sure.. I would say that covers the majority of people who are doing something to help others that doesn't overtly help themselves. I suppose in a way that is empowering themselves, although I would see it as more of a comforting act to themselves, like giving themselves a hug and talking themselves up in a mirror.

      Holy shit I would love to be there. What did she say after you did that? Were your other friends OK with you saying that to her?

      [–]1Dark-Ulfberht 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      She just clammed up and stopped talking, which was kind of the point of my comment anyway.

      My friends' reactions ranged from laughter to silence. I was kind of on the outskirts of that group to begin with; I just knew them through a girl I was hooking up with at the time. As a result, my give-a-shit level was pretty low. Also, I don't think she was particularly popular with that group, and I was subtly complimenting them through my insult, anyway.

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        [–]Tom_The_Human 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        Disagreed with one of my flatmates on feminism. He's normally a rational guy with well thoughtout arguments, but got pissed at me and outright refused my (factually based) arguments completely. He literally got pissed off because I said it was guilty of using false statistics - nothing more, nothing less.

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          [–]ManOnManPlaydate 8 points9 points  (5 children)

          I typed out a long one to their article. Their article was good. I wanted to post there but forgot my pass. Here is my post:

          This was very well written and actually enlightened me a bit on certain subjects. I understand that the political and social battles of the 19th, 20th and present centuries are vast topics. I feel it overlooks some more "crude" and "un-PC" observations, although it mentions Marxism. Please read, I'm not just shitting on Jews, more on their wildly disproportional influences now and in the recent past.

          For better or worse, when the Jewish thinkers behind Communism, and the Commie/Zionist split gained incredible financial and social power (in part through merit, money, part through in-group actions, and through divisive tactics and revolutionary approaches like the Frankfurt school and well funded 'fringe' initiatives - as mentioned) they became the forerunners and main agitators of many movements - playing both sides if you will.

          Culture of critique and critical theory (mentioned) are part of this, and the transformation of the US under media influence and global dominance in the 60's was led by trotskyites, commies, and cultural Marxists. They had the money and the connections. A lot of the crazy 'left wing' and anti-tradition stuff comes from them originally, and they backed it legally and socially. With ever increasing power over institutions, money, and thus government, they were able to become this Power Bloc. They became untouchable, especially post Clinton (openly admitting their control).

          Gov'mt candidates NEED Jewish support, or risk getting cast out. But this fairly cohesive group now has so much money, power and influence that they essentially fund and run both sides of the Dem/Rep platforms. Meanwhile, social initiatives and media nonsense keep the lower classes divided... but the upper classes can't speak out for fear of banishment or profit from not doing so. This seems almost too perfect. In part, it is so perfect BECAUSE of the "Judeo-Christian" thing, where the other power bloc in the US - Christians - kowtow to Zionist and Jewish leadership, enabling them massively.

          The white guilt and all that "SJW" stuff comes from gentiles too, but the leaders and agitators (especially in media) are Jewish. Are they all in cahoots, all-powerful? Of course not. But they have built a very strong insular culture of their own where their narratives or the ones they like are pushed and ones they don't disappear for lack of funding or attack. It's become a serious issue, and unhealthy for the country. They have perfected media and manipulation of the lowest common denominators (especially 'marginalized' groups) to a T.

          Comments welcome. I like to learn, just be civil. If anything I said here is wrong, do tell. I know it's pretty broad but I feel that ignoring the European bank houses > Communist/Zionist funding > War, revolutions and political strife > Globalist/internationalist "cabal" status on the back of America post WWII... all perpetuated to put Jewish people in 'charge' of all the important facets and misdirect everyone else is detrimental to a reasoned outlook.

          [–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          To get clinical: "psychological operations (PSYOP) are planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately behavior".

          Softball talk about 'culture war' is dealing with secondary fallout issues (blowback). It is nothing but boushy deflection from primary actors and motives. It is late, late, late in the game to debate whether SJWs (aka useful idiots) should be taken at face-value.

          [–]frequentlywrong 6 points7 points  (2 children)

          For better or worse, when the Jewish thinkers behind Communism, and the Commie/Zionist split gained incredible financial and social power (in part through merit, money, part through in-group actions, and through divisive tactics and revolutionary approaches like the Frankfurt school and well funded 'fringe' initiatives - as mentioned) they became the forerunners and main agitators of many movements - playing both sides if you will.

          Marx had close ties to the Rothchilds (who are jews). If you're unfamiliar with them, they were the wealthiest, most powerful and most secretive banking family in Europe for centuries. Hell they are likely still the wealthiest people on the planet, but they are smart enough to hide their wealth and not appear on any lists.

          Rothchilds have incredible power and are linked to almost every powerful secret society. Council on foreign relations, trilateral commision, fabian socialist, bilderberg group, etc. Think of any major world politician or powerful person, he belongs to these groups. Supposedly they all stem from fabian socialists whose sigil is literally a wolf in sheeps clothing.

          Honestly I think the jewish part of it is not that important. They're globalists. People who will stop at nothing to gain more power over more parts of the world. The fact that it was all started by jews is kind of an accident of history. Because only jews were allowed to be bankers in the old days which made some of them like Rothchilds incredibly wealthy. I highly doubt judaism itself plays a big part in their plans. The pioneers just happened to be jewish.

          [–]A_DERPING_ULTRALISK 8 points9 points  (21 children)

          He had me up until he said the Civil war was to eradicate slavery. It wasn't.

          The rest was pretty good though.

          [–]1edwardhwhite 16 points17 points  (2 children)

          actually every states articles of secession said it was. The contrary view was made up in the 1890's to soften the facts for souherners.

          [–]DarkyDarkskin 3 points4 points  (8 children)

          What exactky was the main cause?

          [–]2niczar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Supposedly States rights, even though future Confederate States passed a federal law forcing abolitionist States to chase fugitive slaves on their behalf.

          [–]monolithdigital 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          I believe the official statement coming out of the south was

          states freedom... to own slaves.

          [–]tangman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          What else? Money and power. After the South seceded the federal government was short on both, facing financial calamity without the import tariffs that were paid mostly by the southern states.

          https://www.lewrockwell.com/2006/01/john-v-denson/why-did-lincoln-invade-the-south/

          The original Constitution, still in effect before the war, prohibited all "direct" taxes on the people, i.e. income, estate, gift, etc., so almost all the revenue to operate the Federal government in Washington was derived from an "indirect" tax on imports. The South, being agricultural, had to import almost all manufactured goods from Europe (primarily England) or buy the products from the North.

          The whole thing is a good read too.

          [–]RPthrowaway123 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          States rights but slavery was the final straw, a powder keg issue that ignited the rest.

          [–]jgj09 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          Yes, the Civil War was about slavery. No it was not fought over States's Rights. What you are referencing refers to the "Lost Cause" mythos of thinking that you will see in a lot of post-war literature written by Southerners.

          Read "Apostles of Disunion" by Charles Dew. Short and interesting read if you are into Civil War History. It has a plethora of primary sources that concern the messengers sent out by South Carolina directly after they seceded. These "apostles" went out to the state legislatures of the other Southern states, attempting to convince them to secede along with SC. What reasoning did they give the other states? If they wanted to keep their slaves...they had to secede.

          Now, if you are talking on an individual basis, most Union soldiers didn't fight to free the slaves(as 99% of them were racist back then), and most Confederate soldiers did not even own slaves, so they weren't fighting to keep them. Lincoln's goal was to free the slaves, but if he came out and announced that as the reason, he risked losing the Border States like Kentucky and Maryland that had not joined the Confederacy. Thus, during the early years of the war Lincoln always stated that he was simply trying to keep the Union together.

          Really interesting subject, but the VAST majority of historians that even remotely dabble in Civil War History disagree with you. Slavery caused the war...but it's not necessarily the motivating factor that got soldiers to go out and fight.

          Ask Historians has a good section on the Civil War Causes debate on their FAQ. The bot won't let me link but just go to their FAQ on the sidebar if you're interested

          [–]M_Vitruvius_P 25 points26 points  (2 children)

          The reason why communities like the ones you initially mentioned will be allowed to exist on reddit well after TRP bites the dust is because the average person is willing to acknowledge the reason those kinds of subs make them uncomfortable.

          Those who oppose the ideas and strategies in TRP pull the whole 'cover ears, I can't hear you' song and dance when they ask themselves - or in the case of the vocal members of reddit, when someone else asks them - why TRP makes them uncomfortable. They know in their bones that at least some of the ideas here could legitimately improve their lives. Unfortunately for them, that thought goes against the narrative they are immersed in and that narrative is pretty damn cushy. It is much easier for the plugged-in to view TRP synecdochically: TRP makes me uncomfortable, find a part to disagree with, dismiss the whole, go back to being comfortable. But that nagging feeling that TRP is on to something never goes away.

          If a person does not expose themselves to discomfort or stress - in the gym, in academia, or in the arena of fact against opinion that is internet - then they cannot grow. This does not mean you have to accept an opinion you disagree with, but you do have to understand why the other party came to the conclusions that they did. TRPers are quite good at doing that... once they make it beyond the anger phase.

          Personally, I am not concerned with those who find comfort through the censorship of TRP (or any idea/movement) as they are not displaying a capacity to grow. These individuals will subsequently fall behind those who can and do grow.

          TLDR: Haters gonna hate not because you're bad, but because you're good. It's easier for them to hate then for them to elevate themselves to your level.

          -edit: SP+G

          [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          Responded to someone up above who said something similar but you are spot on.

          I'm not a fan of people with excuses AT ALL. As a lifelong personal growth believer, i know that none of us is perfect so we should continue to look for opportunities to change and grow.

          What iv also realized in the last 5 years is that SO MUCH of the population just cant deal with the notion that they could be wrong. Its a ego defense mechanism. Tyler from rsd talks about that.

          People would rather bury their head in the sand than admit that their beliefs got them a disfavorable result.

          That all of the lies they CHOSE to believe, needs to be uprooted, and they will have to admit to themselves that they aren't as intelligent, or confident, or attractive, or XYZ as they THOUGHT. and its Their fault for believing in those beliefs to begin with. Its a tough PILL to swallow ;)

          [–]dvrzero 21 points22 points  (4 children)

          I've had posts on this sub get removed for "men's rights" that weren't even close to men's rights related content.

          So yes, this sub does censor. There are quite a few subs that censor much less than this one. No, I won't mention them.

          [–]ametalshard 18 points19 points  (1 child)

          Yeah, no one should get it twisted; every sub has mods. Every sub is a monarchy. The point is those mods should be the only people moderating.

          [–]sunwukong155 22 points23 points  (13 children)

          We don't censor anything.

          Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the mods come out saying they will ban people for "bro-knighting"

          That is to say, they will ban people for advocating that you shouldn't sleep with other people's wives/girlfriends and that its immoral to do so?

          [–]Tom_The_Human 8 points9 points  (12 children)

          Shh, quit interrupting the circlejerk.

          But seriously, one could offer the dissenting opinion that, as this is a place for discussing sexual stratergy (which is amoral), this is not the place for that.

          [–]sunwukong155 11 points12 points  (10 children)

          Yeah except sleeping with people's girlfriends and wives isn't a sexual strategy. Learning game, lifting, increasing your social value and doing things that gets women into bed with you is sexual strategy. Sleeping with someone's wife is an action in of itself. And it's immoral to sleep with people's wives.

          Unless you believe in moral relativism, in which point you can call anything amoral.

          The way I see it, sexual strategy is amoral, but that doesn't mean every action a red pill subscriber makes to get laid can't be judged morally. You can beat the shit out of a guy to impress a punk girl and call it amoral. You can get a girl addicted to crack and give it to her for sex and call it amoral. Or you can just be awesome and fuck single chicks who want to "have fun", which there are plenty of.

          Either way. It's a discussion we should not be censored from having. I think guys who sleep with people's wives are scum, you think they are amoral. Nothing wrong with that.

          [–]Tom_The_Human 7 points8 points  (5 children)

          I subscribe to the idea that the onus is on the person in a relationship not to cheat. However, sleeping with a friend's partner is immoral.

          [–]sunwukong155 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          Yeah that's a position I respect. And it's not something I rail about on the sub but I feel strongly about the gradual degradation of our culture and society and I think it just immoral to sleep with someone's wife if you know they are married. I don't give a fuck about girlfriends, but marriage should be held to a higher standard.

          The best way we can start fighting back against the divorce rape men suffer from is to respect marriage again and not let women cheat and abandon their husbands. If a girl locks down a beta bux , she needs to deal with the draw backs or be disgraced. As red pill men we can at least find a different easy slut to fuck for the night. Shouldn't be hard for anyone who takes self improvement seriously to do

          [–]AynRandFor200 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          There has never been a better reminder of the absolute power that the hint of access to a vagina has over beta males than to watch white knights grovel by way of euphemism. I call it auto-erotic-pedestalization.

          I don't expect an outright ban of the subreddit. I expect rules which force "inclusiveness" and moderator punishment when "appropriate" measures aren't taken for "harassment". Fun times are ahead.

          [–]coffee_and_lumber 6 points7 points  (3 children)

          I'd like to see a poll among TRP-following people in long term relationships and see how many of those relationships benefited from the strategies outlined here.

          Especially vs. the advice given on /r/relationships.

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            [–]Tom_The_Human 8 points9 points  (1 child)

            Although you are right, when someone uses the "99%" figure, they vary rarely mean it literally (although our detractors will wilfully misinterperet it as so).

            [–]sweetleef 11 points12 points  (3 children)

            how stupid someone must be to think the could justify censoring this community.

            This has happened to every big forum - it may start out with open participation, but the mods and admins always get full of themselves and start looking for ways to exert their power and biases on everyone else.

            They start banning and regulating and meddling with the content, and eventually it reaches a point where people just abandon the forum en masse. It then either disappears or becomes some kind of corporate ad-farm shithole like digg or AOL.

            It's well on its way at reddit - anything sufficiently controversial is already restricted, shadowbanned, or just removed without notice. The default front page is already an absurd mix of facebook-level pop culture celebrity garbage, progressive/SJW propaganda, and corporate astroturfing. You have to work to find your way past that crap, and they aren't going to change things to make it any easier.

            The good news is that hosting is cheap, and another TRP site/forum will surface soon enough, where the cycle will repeat.

            [–]Tom_The_Human 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            another TRP site/forum will surface soon enough, where the cycle will repeat.

            There are plenty of dedicated TRP forums already out there.

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                [–]Willyam2010 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                "It's not about women. [...] It's about men" Sounds like hate speach to me.

                Anyway, to a leftist, freedom of expression means freedom to conform and repeat ad nauseam the "truths" laid out in the mainstream media. The rest must be hate speech. If i should keep one thing from the US it would be the first amendment, even if it's not good enough: what good is freedom of expression if you are denied access to the spaces where your ideas can get visibility? It's all about the control of opinions and through it, of the people. We do live in the matrix.

                [–]chaimkikestien 22 points23 points  (18 children)

                Erm no. I got banned from TRP on a different account for discussing race realism. No pejoratives or invectives were used. I simply questioned the "we are all equal" line presented in one thread. We are not all equal. The biological reality is that the races are not the same. Each race has different strengths and weaknesses.

                Please don't go congratulating yourself when your sub is less committed to free and open expression than is coontown.

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                    [–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                    I can't even imagine how stupid someone must be to think the could justify censoring this community. If I had my way I wouldn't ban anyone that had different views than me. SRS, TwoX, Feminism, and any other communities like that are welcome on reddit. Free and open discussion is the key to a healthy society. I think most everyone here would agree with me.

                    I thought this was the point of reddit when it was first created.

                    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    This. Soooo much this.

                    Censorship has and ALWAYS will be promoted by the weaker side in hopes of leveling the field.

                    Although i don't agree to or subscribe to all things TRP, its been a great outlet of discussion, intelligent debate, well articulated thoughts,.. And yet shit subs that actually glorify violence or hatred exist.. Because they don't threaten those who run reddit. Such bullshit.

                    Im a big believer in personal development as well as Darwinism (maybe to a fault). Look, im not delusional enough to think Im the most badass, alpha dude ever. But iv worked on myself to be pretty badass and alpha. .. AND If you're threatened, maybe you gotta look at yourself and look at where you're failing; where you can improve. If not, life will do away with you. This includes subreddits full of people who just hate TRP because they don't understand, aren't willing to try, or just don't want their pretty little beliefs challenged because they would have to rethink every sorry, shitty decision in their lives.

                    But then there are asshole SJWs that resort to childish tricks to be heard.

                    [–]Moneyley 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    When the truths told here cant be rationalized/accepted, they are criticized. Women aren't supposed to "hit a wall" women can't "be handled" this easy. "If you tell women what to do you'll lose her respect" lies after lies that TRP has discovered using the simple approach of just working on yourself. The consensus here is to work on the best version of yourself and a philosophy that says we dont have to pay on the first date, just like women dont have to put out on the first date. They want the first part but the 2nd part still sticks? Reddit defeated by keyboard warriors- is where this is headed

                    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 79 points80 points  (49 children)

                    The ironic thing about "free speech" is that it is often the more moderate voices that get shouted down. Is anything we are saying here on TRP all that radical? We've got people on here discussing Nietzsche, David Hume, and Marcus Aurelius. People basing their arguments on scientific evidence, evolutionary psychology, and rational thought.

                    The only thing "radical" or "vitriolic" about TRP is that we don't fit into mainstream thought. But most things didn't when first conceptualized.

                    [–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (2 children)

                    TRP is the radical notion that women are just people.

                    [–]DrMungMung 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                    I think that's the issue.. we don't automatically view women as perfect beautiful creatures devoid of responsibility for their actions... we see them for what they are... human beings.

                    [–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                    Most of TRP is just a common sense approach to human nature. The core of what's said here has been known as long as humans have existed. The masculine being attracted to the feminine is not exactly a radical idea. Plenty of RP teachings in religious texts.

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                      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 34 points35 points  (23 children)

                      I understand your point ... but why should we allow feminism, fem-centric social conventions, and misandry to define the way we as men talk about male issues? Women talk about men however they want, objectify us, call us pigs, denigrate masculinity ... and society thinks that is all completely fine. That's bullshit.

                      Rollo has pointed this out before.

                      [–]Code_Bordeauxx 5 points6 points  (11 children)

                      To hell with PC speech and all the fem-centric social conventions. But with all the ridiculous ways AWALT, among other things, is thrown around here (Edit: by this I mean by naive new members), there is certainly some room for improvement.

                      [–]1james-watson 13 points14 points  (2 children)

                      TRP does all of the things you state because individual women, who belong to the larger group of feminists and the feminist legal/political apparatus have made ALL men's lives extremely difficult over the past 50 years.

                      One look at family courts, divorce law, custody, alimony and the entire divorce-industral-complex makes this abundantly clear. There have been many books recently, and even a documentary [1] detailing exactly these issues.

                      Men, as a whole, have every right to be extremely angry and vent that anger toward feminist legislators that have made these injustices not only possible, but justifiable.

                      Until you've gone through a divorce with assets and children, been falsely accused of sexual assault, and stripped of everything you've worked to built, you cannot possibly fathom what is happening to men in the west today.

                      In reality, men have reacted with extreme dignity and poise to the viciousness with which they've been treated in society. If the sexes were reversed, there would be riots and bra-burning until every responsible individual was jailed.

                      1. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2636456/

                      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                      You still don't get AWALT do you? It's an inflammatory tongue in cheek response to NAWALT. The point being that if 5% of women are NALT then it pays to proceed as if AWALT.

                      Exceptions are found to every rule, yet it's most efficient to react to the rule that these exceptions don't exist (most of the time).

                      Not every bullet kills!

                      I'm still wearing body armour.

                      From this and the rest of your post you don't understand TRP and now concern trolling over your misinterpretation of it. Winner.

                      [–]PlebDestroyer 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                      Wow, I had no idea who Nietzsche was before reading your comment and now I can see that his philosophies are embedded deeply in a lot of TRP theory. Love this guy's stuff from what I saw in a short youtube video.

                      [–]LordXerces 110 points111 points  (16 children)

                      "Safe space". That term makes me shudder. The SJW movement is actively working towards turning every place on Earth into a McDonalds ballpen. They're constantly portraying the world as a dangerous place where words can give PTSD if you're not careful, and more and more people are swallowing these delusions of fear and paranoia. God bless Generation V(ictimhood).

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                        [–]1kick6 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                        No, no. Those plastic balls are far too hard.

                        [–]Ailer 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                        I always preferred Generation V(igilante) myself. Not only is the world a dangerous space, it is a dangerous space only they can fix, regardless of any mechanisms already in place. They don't trust existing methods and organizations... it's them vs the world.

                        It'd sorta be RedPill if it were bettering themselves instead of trying to change the world. Missed it by that much.

                        [–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        The word triggered is my trigger

                        [–]coffee_and_lumber 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                        "Safe spaces" are fine. For women. They are attracted to security and strength, or at least the appearance of it. We know this more intimately than most. Go ahead ladies.

                        However, this is not something for men. This sub, as one of the more masculine areas of Reddit, should not be a "safe space". Everyone is open to criticism and derision here, as well as praise and respect. And sometimes, it (metaphorically) comes to blows. But you earn your place, either way.

                        If the entire site were "cleansed" tomorrow, there would still be justification for keeping "unsafe" areas if they are male-centric.

                        [–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        The thing is there are already safe spaces for women. /Twoxchromosomes, /askwomen, /feminism and really most of the default subs usually don't allow or upvote non PC material. They're demanding that all of reddit become a safe space, which is just silly. If they cant handle a block of text written on the internet, they need to grow up.

                        [–]sweetleef 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        turning every place on Earth into a McDonalds ballpen.

                        McDonald's ballpens are far too unrestricted.

                        Their ideal is a male-funded ballpen that only admits overprivileged, shallow-headed women and their effeminate obedient eunuchs, where everyone has to pretend to be interested while they whine and rant about how the world doesn't give them enough attention and free shit.

                        [–]1runnerrun2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        At the same time feminism is quickly is going out of fashion so it should be interesting to see what's next.

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                        [–]PartyTrickster 28 points29 points  (2 children)

                        For someone pushing an agenda, we're more dangerous now than when we were so hated most people took us as a joke. Now we're a threat. Not saying that means they'll be stupid enough to shut us down, but they have more reason to now than they did before.

                        Amen on not being victims. Let's keep the discussion objective.

                        [–]newls 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                        Aye, just because it'd be silly to shut the TRP sub down doesn't mean they won't do it.

                        [–]ilikesquash2 26 points27 points  (12 children)

                        I think the "less hated" also has to do with people ACTUALLY reading and finding out what Redpill is. Then realizing that there is no hate going on in the sub. A tiny bit of anger yes (we are in fact human), but no real hate. People start reading what we are about and see it is "Improve yourself" and NOT "Women are the worst and should be destroyed!" as a lot of uninformed people seem to be thinking.

                        When i see people being banned simply for subbing TRP, I giggle because it shows how uninformed and judgmental that mod is. I can say with out a doubt any Mod that bans anyone because they are associated with TRP, has no idea what TRP really is.

                        Now i understand Reddit is its own thing, but Say TRP is banned. Shouldn't there be evidence to back up what the reason for the banning an entire sub? Also LOGICALLY this is a "SAFE PLACE" for like minded men AND women. So technically them banning TRP goes against their statement.

                        [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (10 children)

                        There's some misogyny here. I just don't care. If people want to hate women then they're free to do so and I'm not even gonna think less of them for it. It's their right as a human being.

                        [–]ilikesquash2 12 points13 points  (5 children)

                        Is there Misogyny, yes but not any more so than misandry in other pro female sub. Unusually on here top comments on these posts are people telling them to calm down and to not focus on the woman and to work on themselves. At least that has been my TRP experience.

                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                        Okay but I'm not chalking that up as a plus or a not-minus. I'd hate if we started caring, positively or negatively, about misogyny here.

                        [–]DarkyDarkskin 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                        And sadly it is an understandable feeling.

                        [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                        We're biologically programmed to love women. You know why? Because they suck. We're not biologically wired to love men because the very idea of hating the providers, defenders, and builders was so absurd that there was never an evolutionary pressure to do it.

                        [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 20 points21 points  (5 children)

                        we no longer top the lists for worse subreddit

                        Only because we're not allowed to be mentioned. Posts that do are quickly removed.

                        [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 31 points32 points  (2 children)

                        Ah, yes. The great subscriber spike of June 2014, when an /r/askreddit thread gave us 1,500 new subs in under 24 hours. Reddit lost its collective mind about that, and now we are Reddit's Voldemort; they whom shall not be named.

                        They forgot the golden rule: There is no such thing as bad publicity.

                        [–]widec 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                        There is such thing as bad publicity, but it usually applies to already established brands. If you're running McDonald's, you won't benefit from the recognition of bad publicity, as everyone already knows what McDonald's is.

                        [–]FreetoFire 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        Cutting a man's tongue out just shows the world you're scared of what he might say

                        [–]foldpak111 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        we'll still make it happen and get something going on another site. RSD on YouTube is basically all you need for RP material and there's hundreds of hours of content available

                        [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

                        No offense to whoever put it together, but http://puerarchy.com/ is a shitty site to foster any kind of community. It's essentially just a poorly-designed blog with old articles. There is no obvious way I'm seeing for someone to make a post. Even an old archaic forum would be better suited. Forums like this, this, or this.

                        If you want this community to die, send them to www.puerarchy.com in its current form.

                        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 63 points64 points  (7 children)

                        Voltaire: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise"

                        More on point, to learn who wants to rule over you.

                        We take criticism, we exchange ideas freely, sure there is butthurt in that, but that's how life works. I've not yet seen a call to doxx nor harrass anyone who dissents with our thinking, but it happens in other subs against us. Mostly I laugh about it, because I've had people try to kill me in real life, and calling me names with multiple accounts online is an ineffective means of persuasion. Yes they've done that. Filled my inbox with drivel and bad names the horror. They can attack us with impunity, yet we are to blame. They hate us and accuse us of hating, when we simply observe the world around us rather than try to force it to be something it's not. They are the religious zealots, shouting and trying to kill or destroy any dissenting views, because their ideology is based in feels, myths, fiction, and wants, not reality, just like a religion.

                        This is a safe space for men, well as safe as we can get these days. A threat to ban us is akin to saying men do not deserve a space like this. It simply demonstrates what we have been saying, men are expendable, and feminists don't want equality tney want supremacy. They can have their subs, where they can say any hateful and bigoted thing they like, but we are somehow not allowed to simply talk about improving our own lives?

                        The weak silence dissent through heavy handed force. Ideology that needs force to quell dissent is inherently weak, and obviously not based in reality. Doesn't matter if it's talking snakes, golden chariots, supposed rape culture, or the wage gap myth. There is no factual basis behind it, it's an often told lie that gains creeddence through multiple hearing, not via reality.

                        Who is claiming victim status? The war on women is just as fictional as the war on Christmas. Dissent against either nets you an angry tirade. Dissent against TRP nets you amusement. I find this entire thing absurd and amusing, as if 51% of the population is somehow downtrodden, especially when they have 100% of the vaginas.

                        [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 14 points15 points  (4 children)

                        Voltaire: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise"

                        For the record that's a misquote. I forget who said it, and it's still a valid statement, but it wasn't Voltaire.

                        [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                        It was a white supremacist if I recall... (Not that that invalidates it)

                        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        I thought so, but I'm nkt sure who either. Still stands on it's own merit.

                        [–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (2 children)

                        "Safe spaces" are for pussies that can't defend their viewpoints.

                        [–]1kick6 35 points36 points  (21 children)

                        Apparently "discourse" now means "echo chamber."

                        That's fine. There's a lot more to this red pill thing than this sub. If it goes away...we move on.

                        [–]648262[🍰] 5 points6 points  (20 children)

                        In a way it would be interesting to see what would happen if this place went away. It would force an evolution in a way.

                        [–]1kick6 7 points8 points  (13 children)

                        The evolution has already taken place. There's SO MUCH MORE to TRP that already exists. You owe it to yourself to read some of the blogs, and visit the forums. If your ONLY exposure to the manosperhere is here...you're doing yourself a disservice.

                        [–]648262[🍰] 8 points9 points  (12 children)

                        Yes, but the "TRP" generation is an evolution of the "PUA" generation in a way. I want to see what the next generation brings.

                        [–]1kick6 11 points12 points  (10 children)

                        It's the same generation. TRP is just PUA getting beyond stupidhumantricks and trying to create the men that PUA was trying to pretend to be.

                        PUA was the "fake it" TRP is the "make it."

                        [–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 3 points4 points  (5 children)

                        I can give you a little history on that.

                        I was a member of the DGM (Don't Get Married) forums which got shut down by proboards 5 times. Every time it got shut down, 3-4 forums came up in it's place in addition to itself. One of it's deaths spawned the MGTOW forums (which also got shut down a few times).

                        The manosphere is like a hydra, because it is based on truths and facts. The tighter they try to grasp onto it, the more it slips through their fingers.

                        P.S. When DGM5 shut down, I didn't look for a DGM6. By that time the pretty much universal answer/consensus among the board was to take the expat path of the three solutions, the one which I'm not likely to take.

                        [–]648262[🍰] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                        I think such things are normal. Look at Napster, Torrents and Popcorn Time. It's a Hydra, all of it.

                        So shutting it down will provide some sentimental issues for some, but it would enforce development - which could be good.

                        By that time the pretty much universal answer/consensus among the board was to take the expat path of the three solutions

                        Which three?

                        [–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                        There are only three solutions to feminism: Revolt, Expat, or Turtle.

                        There is no political solution to feminism as long as women control 55% of suffrage, and the only way to remove that is via revolution (revolt) or wait for the system to collapse and rebuild from the ashes without women's suffrage (turtle). The third option is to escape this insane society for one which follows natural law (expat).

                        [–][deleted] 104 points105 points  (25 children)

                        Shutting us down will lead to so many new unplugged. I bet that's a contributing reason that we're still allowed to exist. Fuck that hugbox shit though. Where's the safety in TwoX if I want to show up and rant about how sluts and alimony laws ruin any meaningful prospect of a good marriage or if I want to shout at "survivors" that they know damn well they weren't raped?

                        [–][deleted] 89 points90 points  (13 children)

                        Isn't it disturbing that the more we seem to "progress" the more it looks like "censorship"?

                        It's just ridiculous to me that people love to scream. Freedom of speech and then in the same sentence say something like "but some things just shouldn't be said".

                        [–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (5 children)

                        So long as it's the other guy's speech and not your own, it doesn't seem worth protecting. I get that the first amendment doesn't force reddit to let all speech on their venue but it'll go seriously against reddit's mission statement if they shut subs like ours down.

                        [–]sithman25 46 points47 points  (2 children)

                        "When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; after all I was not a communist.

                        When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; after all I was not a social democrat.

                        When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; after all I was not a trade unionist.

                        When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out."

                        -Pastor Martin Niemöller

                        [–]dark_g 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        "When they came for the librarians, I remained silent --and boy, were they proud of me" [couldn't resist].

                        The whole thing smacks of corporate over-reach. People presumably offended by TRP have to go out of their way to see it to begin with. A more appropriate joke: a woman calls the police complaining the neighbors across the street are naked and having sex. The cop looks through the window. "--But you can't see a thing" "--Yes, but if I stand on the dresser I sure can!"

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 30 points31 points  (1 child)

                        Stop using logic. SJW's don't speak that language.

                        We're dealing with an anti-intellectual cult that wants absolute control, and they want to exterminate all opposing viewpoints.

                        [–]kalstate 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                        Philosopher John Gray says progress is a myth: http://www.vice.com/read/john-gray-interview-atheism

                        [–]newls 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                        Whenever a judge somewhere hands down a harsh punishment upon a false rape accuser or a legislature defeats an insane misandrist SJW bill you always see some key feminist talking about how the judgement 'ruins the progress being made' or some other BS. Let the silly hens sqwark.

                        [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 16 points17 points  (3 children)

                        Isn't it disturbing that the more we seem to "progress" the more it looks like "censorship"?

                        "Scratch a liberal, and you'll often find a fascist underneath." I forget who said it, but it's spot on. Liberal ideology taken to its logical conclusion is a totalitarian nightmare on the order of Stalinist Russia or the Mao regime.

                        [–]sweetleef 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                        It is - but so is conservatism. And so is socialism, and communism, and all the other "ideologies" that seek to define, and more importantly control, what is best for you.

                        Any ideology other than supporting the maximization of individual freedom is just wordgames to exert power over others.

                        [–]PedroIsWatching 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                        Horseshoe theory of political spectrum. The progressives have now looped around to the same level as a religious southern Republican - an "Authoritarian Liberal".

                        [–]newls 21 points22 points  (1 child)

                        As long as TRP exists on reddit, SJWs and feminists will continue to populate the site and generate activity about how we're all evil motherfuckers. Female demographics are VERY good news for advertisers.

                        That's why the TRP sub is probably here to stay for a while yet.

                        [–]1Zanford 15 points16 points  (6 children)

                        The Joss Whedon fiasco is a nice example (male feminist Avengers 2 director thrown under bus for daring to give Black Widow a soft side). Several front page posts about that, including Mark Ruffalo (Hulk actor) going to bat for him in an AMA. The comments are almost all positive. Heartening given that male comic book fans luv to white knight.

                        [–]RPthrowaway123 19 points20 points  (5 children)

                        I found the entire situation hilarious. Joss Whedon is a great writer and director (regardless of his politics, I've enjoyed his work) who has always made sure that his female characters got spotlights. And a lot of them were great characters, including Black Widow. He makes one small mistake with his writing and BOOM he is next up on the SJW pyre. Not only that, but they misinterpreted the line - BW calls herself a monster for being a trained assassin, not for being infertile. All that goes out the window, of course, when the SJWs are roused to their internet battle-stations. Insane.

                        [–]Mengs87 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                        I hardly term what he did as a mistake. All he did was to flesh out her character, like any other screenwriter.

                        [–]RPthrowaway123 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        Yeah, poor wording. I meant to say that in their eyes it was a "mistake".

                        [–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                        Here's a funny little fact:

                        Whedon has made no secret of the fact that he is quite chummy with Feminist Frequency's Anita Sarkeesian.

                        http://i.imgur.com/emAPIfR.png

                        Jonathan McIntosh is the co-writer and co-producer of Feminist Frequency. There's even decent evidence to suggest he is the puppet master of the entire FF operation, and Anita is merely his mouthpiece.

                        Here is Jon trashing AoU on Twitter:

                        http://s10.postimg.org/n8w94t33t/1430766021906.jpg

                        And Joss STILL stands by FF 100% even though it's pretty much revealed by this whole fiasco that they are full of shit and will criticize fucking anything, including his own work.

                        Battered wife syndrome?

                        [–]RPthrowaway123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Basically! This is why there is no point "negotiating" with feminists...even the whitest knights who sells their souls for the cause can and will eventually be burned at the stake for imagined "misogyny".

                        [–]wolfNshepherd 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                        Shutting us down will lead to so many new unplugged.

                        We get loads of new subscribers when we're linked to from individual feminist/SJW subreddits and blogs. Imagine if every single one simultaneously wrote about how we'd been taken down? They'd take a victory lap all over the internet while inadvertently sending us more curious minds than ever before.

                        [–]Masonjarteadrinker2 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                        Whether this gets shut down or not, I'm glad I came across this sub in my lifetime.

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                        [–]_eskimo_brothers_ 9 points10 points  (4 children)

                        Nah, but I'll start on a version 2.0 of this sub if need be. If we archive and catalog everything that currently exists we could create a forum just like this where ips aren't logged thus making it similar to reddit without the politics.

                        [–]Meatassault 10 points11 points  (2 children)

                        That's a great idea- archiving it all. If this sub goes, I'd be happy to help kickstart a RP forum. Sick of this SJW bullshit. This is one of the very few subs here that is worth a read and is not full of bullshit unfunny lame jokes and typical karma whoring comments.

                        [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        I've already done this.

                        The Top 500 posts as HTML and JSON:

                        https://mega.co.nz/#!pIwGhSRQ!w00uhGcVZ4IhFwbovSVw6MmwaVDQKZEIn3Nh3s_DVj0

                        [–]buster2209 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                        How much safer can one get when sitting in the comfort of their own abode typing and responding to words on a monitor...?

                        The fuckin' gods wept...

                        [–]jsphere256 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                        Safe space... aren't we literally talking about text on a screen here? I'm confused about what exactly makes a comment thread unsafe. Possible danger of getting criticized and BTFO for saying something ridiculous? Sounds like the real threat to SJW's is any contact with the outside world at all.

                        [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                        I never understood this. If "polite" society refuses to participate in "impolite" conversations, "polite" society is then, by necessity, abandoning those listening to such conversations to be informed solely by those who are not so polite.

                        [–]NSA_web_spider 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                        I say if they shut it down, all 100,000 of us move to 2XC. Keep posting like we usually would, but just swap out the genders. Maybe we can get them shut down too?

                        If they want to ruin this sub, they shouldn't try to ban it, they should make it part of the Default. That's a foolproof plan for ruining any sub.

                        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                        Would never happen it would be celebrated

                        [–]ANakedBear 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                        But what if this is MY safe space?

                        [–]Tarnsman4Life 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        CIS men are not afforded safe spaces

                        [–]Riddick_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        www.puerarchy.com - is a poorly designed website and not a viable forum. puerarchy.com = Fail.

                        Also shift out of the reactive mode. Instead of waiting for Event Horizon X, the TRP community can make a project to build an alternative forum independent from reddit. Get a proper domain name. TRP in the name, not purewhatever.

                        Control over this website should be divided over a few trusted key people, for example current mods in TPR, so that the project cannot be Sold or Shut Down without all parties agreement.

                        First move the side material, and then transition those that want to participate in a alternative forum based on similar TRP ideas. Only then TRP will be truly free.

                        That being said if this Feelz like "change" gets in gear, there are some real-fucked-upTM subs that will likely go first.

                        Sidebar - > Join the Emergency Mailer List, if you are reading this and haven't done so yet, DO IT NOW!

                        Note: I suppose the only good thing is that puerarchy.com is running the Emergency Mailer List. Then again, who is behind this project is not clear, and who is collecting all this information. Some disclosure is needed.

                        [–]coffee_and_lumber 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        It's easy to drum up vitriol for this sub. You can find plenty of outlandish, egregious statements against women and others here. Most of which isn't supported by the mainstream of TRP. But it's allowed nonetheless. A lot of men here have to go through an extended and uncomfortable anger phase upon realizing they've been played by society. It should be uncomfortable, and they should exorcise their demons. I know I've written (or at least upvoted) fucked up statements here, but I've also had plenty to say and agree with that was downright on point.

                        However, those who have decided we're evil will only cherry-pick the worst that comes out of here and totally miss the overarching mission. What we are doing here will be good for society as a whole, and it can be argued that this is only a natural response to 21st century feminism way way overstepping the bounds of reason.

                        I don't know about the rest of you, but what I've learned here has only strengthened my marriage and my bonds with my male friends. I'm more focused and powerful at my job. I spend my time more wisely. I am getting in shape. I am experiencing a sort of gravitational pull that is attracting both the interest of women and the trust of other men and adding a nice glow of validation to my steadily rising confidence. I have to wonder how many of those on TwoX or Relationships are making comparative headway.

                        [–]THE_Masters 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        Reddit had become a stale dry place for me lately and this is one of the only subs I still come back for. It's the only sub that engages me, there's stimulating topics, not just about bullshit that doesn't matter. I feel like I learn something new every time I come here. At the end of the day this is a self improvement sub that brings nothing but a positive environment for likeminded people if someone wants to take that away then I hope they rot in hell.

                        [–]Blacknite007 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                        http://www.puerarchy.com/ Hasn't been updated since August 23, 2013. We need to do better than that guys in case reddit shuts down /r/TheRedPill/

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                        [–]rp-disciple 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                        Can you elaborate on this? Do you mean for their employees?

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                          [–]_eskimo_brothers_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Yeah, my guess... It's not T-Mobile blocking him.

                          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                          Exclusively male spaces are anathema to feminism. They absolutely must have their viewpoints injected and pushed.

                          [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 30 points31 points  (3 children)

                          What you guys need to remember is that reddit is a partnership between multiple corporations and the government. The most obvious symptom of this is how certain things strategicly float to the top of the front page at specific times.

                          Anti Russia, Anti Syria, Anti Gaddafi, Pro LEO posts got shilled to the top at key times. Meanwhile nothing negative gets said about Saudi Arabia, America's butt budy despite their funding of terrorism and real opression of women.

                          The next thing to remember is that there is tremendous money behind the feminist agenda which is a convenient shoehorn for the government and globalist agenda. That street harsment video had a budget of 100k. How? Why?

                          Women in the workplace drives down the cost of labor. Safe spaces promote censorship. Feminist laws fill jails. Planned Parenthood aids in the depopulation agenda. Not letting your wife spend all your money is abuse according to feminists. Everything that feminist want the elite wants too. Here is some delicious copy pasta on the subject.

                          To secure the draft, individual brainwashing/programming and both the family unit and the peer group must be engaged and brought under control.

                          Factor II - Father The man of the household must be housebroken to ensure that junior will grow up with the right social training and attitudes. The advertising media, etc., are engaged to see to it that father-to-be is pussy-whipped before or by the time he is married. He is taught that he either conforms to the social notch cut out for him or his sex life will be hobbled and his tender companionship will be zero. He is made to see that women demand security more than logical, principled, or honorable behavior. By the time his son must go to war, father (with jelly for a backbone) will slam a gun into junior's hand before father will risk the censure of his peers, or make a hypocrite of himself by crossing the investment he has in his own personal opinion or self-esteem. Junior will go to war or father will be embarrassed. So junior will go to war, the true purpose not withstanding.

                          Factor III - Mother The female element of human society is ruled by emotion first and logic second. In the battle between logic and imagination, imagination always wins, fantasy prevails, maternal instinct dominates so that the child comes first and the future comes second. A woman with a newborn baby is too starry-eyed to see a wealthy man's cannon fodder or a cheap source of slave labor. A woman must, however, be conditioned to accept the transition to "reality" when it comes, or sooner. As the transition becomes more difficult to manage, the family unit must be carefully disintegrated, and state-controlled public education and state-operated child-care centers must be become more common and legally enforced so as to begin the detachment of the child from the mother and father at an earlier age. Inoculation of behavioral drugs [Ritalin] can speed the transition for the child (mandatory). Caution: A woman's impulsive anger can override her fear. An irate woman's power must never be underestimated, and her power over a pussy-whipped husband must likewise never be underestimated. It got women the vote in 1920.

                          Factor IV - Junior The emotional pressure for self-preservation during the time of war and the self-serving attitude of the common herd that have an option to avoid the battlefield - if junior can be persuaded to go - is all of the pressure finally necessary to propel Johnny off to war. Their quiet blackmailings of him are the threats: "No sacrifice, no friends; no glory, no girlfriends." Factor V - Sister And what about junior's sister? She is given all the good things of life by her father, and taught to expect the same from her future husband regardless of the price. Factor VI - Cattle Those who will not use their brains are no better off than those who have no brains, and so this mindless school of jelly-fish, father, mother, son, and daughter, become useful beasts of burden or trainers of the same.

                          [–]magus678 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                          That video really is no credit to you. I mean the guy opens with insults about being "a follower or Darwin."

                          What, like a biologist?

                          [–]RP_Guru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          TRP an unsafe space? Absolutely! TRP is totally unsafe if you don't responsibly use an alt account to prevent doxxing.

                          Funny how the danger comes from the SJW mob outside of this subreddit, rather than from this discourse within. I guess that's just SJW double speak for you.

                          [–]georgedonnelly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Just signed up here:

                          http://puerarchy.com/mailing/?p=subscribe&id=1

                          This mailing list will be used to send out an alert and instructions if Reddit's TheRedPill ever went down (due to admin action or otherwise). Sign up here, your email will be kept anonymous and will not be given away or sold. You probably won't even get any email from us anyway. Only in an emergency.

                          [–]fap_the_pain_away 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          "Safe space" = censoring heresy from the liberal faith.

                          [–]OnlySubsILike 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                          How much safer do you have to be behind your computer screen at home -.-

                          [–]cariboo_j 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          Aah shit whenever you hear the words "safe space" you know its gonna be some bullshit SJW censorship.

                          "Safe space" as long as you accept the politically correct dogma without question.

                          Also its the fucking internet. You are sitting in your home behind a computer, anonymously. There is zero physical danger. Zero. If you feel "unsafe" reading opposing view points on the internet you are a useless human being and probably not fit to vote.

                          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                          Censorship, the final resort of the liberal.

                          [–]juanqunt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          Funny that TRP is the safest place I've found for men to actually discuss their feelings and thoughts without being bullied by feminazis.

                          [–]LaggyCamper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          Sooooo...... Reddit will become tumbler 2?

                          [–]grewapair 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                          What we should do is voluntarily suspend trp for a week and have all of us flood twoX with our views.

                          They'll be begging us to come back here!

                          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                          Cut the fucking hysterics.

                          TRP is not as important as you assholes make it out to be. Furthermore, the amount of subscribers to the sub is a solid assurance that it won't get banned.

                          Pretty damn sure admin is referring to pages such as /r/strugglefucking, /r/coontown, /r/girlsfuckingdogs and such.

                          [–]Goldfulgore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Maybe it has to do with this.

                          He is calling MRA as a misogyny.

                          [–]fhghg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Wtf? I can get robbed, raped, and murdered on reddit? Definitely had no idea there were unsafe spaces here. Thanks for the heads up.

                          [–]hipsterparalegal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          For a significant number of young people nowadays, free speech and free expression just aren't important values. That's fine, let them have their fun while they're in power. The worm will eventually turn, and when it does, I'll be there to laugh, point my finger, say "I told you so, you fucking dimwits," and shun them from polite society.

                          [–]halfnerf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          When that happens I quit using reddit. I don't need an echo chamber, I need someone that challenges my ideas and provides me new material.

                          [–]Beta_Tendencies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          I'm new here but honestly, if you guys need to migrate somewhere it's better to be proactive than reactive. If donations are needed I'll drop some money. I haven't had a chance to read or absorb all this yet and I'd be sad if all this knowledge just disappeared. Tell me it's at least archived somewhere?

                          [–]easyrandomguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          https://github.com/reddit/reddit

                          good thing reddit is open source. time to create our own reddit...

                          [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                          A want for 'safe space' is rooted in the feminine need for assured security. That security can never be assured. Feminized men who's Beta Game it is to identify and appease the feminine in order to be accepted by women don't understand that dynamic.

                          If they did they would know that women only want security and 'safety' within the perception that their environment is dangerous. Twitter can't do this, Reddit can't do this.

                          The truth of it is that Reddit admins can create all of the 'safe places' they want and boot all of the subs the women they pander to ask them to boot – those women will still seek out the 'unsafe spaces' that develop in that wake, into which they'll interject their worldview.

                          This is why Male Spaces are so appealing for feminist justice warriors to force themselves into - they're more exciting than the contrived 'safe spaces' their virtual Beta orbiters create for them.

                          Safe is boring. Perfect is boring. That's what Reddit admins probably wont consider when they decide to purge the subs.

                          Women don’t just want to build a better beta, they want to tame the alpha. In fact, the former is just another way they are trying to approach the latter. They want to take an inherently unsafe activity and make it safe. They want to submit to a man without having to submit; they want a man who can tame their feral self. They want him to trip their danger signals. Even better if he is a stranger from a strange land (the manosphere).

                          They wan’t this all to happen without giving up their freedom. They want to lose control to a string of strangers who have all of the hallmarks of very dangerous men, and they want a promise that this will always end well.

                          They want to know that this will be safe, without it losing the excitement of it feeling unsafe. They are telling men to build a sort of amusement park where they can ride the roller coaster and experience the fear of falling or crashing, while knowing that just behind the scenes grown ups are actually in charge and are responsible for them safely feeling 'unsafe.'

                          But they don’t want to be hemmed in. So instead of building an actual amusement park, they want roller coasters to spring up randomly in the same exact circumstances where the real danger they mimic would appear.

                          They want to be driving their car on the freeway one instant, and the next experience the fear of careening out of control the next. They want to impulsively jump off the edge of the Grand Canyon and have a parachute appear and deploy at the last minute.

                          And all they ask is your guarantee that all of this will be safe.

                          [–]primevalist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          The world is getting tighter and tighter, with more and more censorship and control over the masses. First they will shut us down on their sites, then they will go after our sites. It's only a matter of time.

                          [–]NYCMusicMarathon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          SJWs trying to knock out the free speech of this site.

                          Because the r/TRP speaks mostly the truth.

                          And

                          SJWs are afraid of truth,
                          they believe their emotions come before the Red Pill's power to communicate.

                          Reddit History
                          this happened to r/ents which became r/trees.

                          Be Vigilant,
                          I believe Good triumphs over evil. I think Social Justice Warriors are evil.
                          And are relentless opponents.

                          Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.
                          John 8:32

                          [–]manwhowouldbeking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Another step forward to turn reddit into tumblr.

                          [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Of course my response to that line of thinking is "Great, then trp isn't going anywhere as it's a "safe space" for men and women who are a part of our community to speak their mind".

                          [–]Statecensor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                          SJW activists make complete and total sense if you understand how they think. They do not want critical thought or intelligent debate. They exist only in "safe spaces" that allow them to hide from critical thought and discourse. If you make the mistake of trying to have a conversation with one and you do not agree with them on every single point then your "problematic". The word problematic is sorta like the catch all term that Scientology uses to describe suppressive person or maybe a better example would be enemy of the state from the old soviet days.

                          Some of you guys seem to run into problems because you hear SJWs talk about having a debate and a conversation so you believe they are sincere when they already had a conversation in their little committee in a safe space and decided on the facts before the debate and anyone who disagrees is "problematic" and their only interest is engaging in demagoguery and attacking you.

                          [–]ItsCold_ItsCold 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                          Any place we could migrate to? Thanks in advance.

                          [–]no_face 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          reddit is open source. We can simply host it ourselves -- a one subreddit site -- easily.... if each of us donates a dollar, that should take care of hosting for a thousand years

                          [–]1Mikesapien 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                          Here is some explication on the "safe space" phenomenon. No, it's not what it sounds like to any sane or normal person - you know, somewhere protected from risks or hazards. It's really leftist code for censor-happy echo-chamber.

                          I made the mistake of earning a lib arts degree, and in my nine semesters at college, we started to hear "safe space" repeated like a mantra. "Let's make it a safe space" began to adorn bumper stickers, posters, even syllabi.

                          It doesn't mean a "space" that's actually "safe" - it means don't take my class, or, don't post on my forum, or, don't attend my club, or, don't speak at my uni. You get the idea.

                          And in a classic example of extremism becoming a parody of itself, some took "safe space" a bit... literally. That's right, grown-ass adults (whom the state considers old enough to gamble, smoke, drive, vote, attend school, pay taxes, buy and use firearms, buy and use substances) with rooms for "trauma" and "stress" that come "equipped with cookies, coloring books, bubbles, Play-Doh, calming music, pillows, blankets and a video of frolicking puppies." And to bury the irony needle a bit further, I'll just point out that these are the exact same PC and SJW morons, by the way, that whine about the infantilization of women.

                          Here's a protip: if you legitimately think you can get PTSD from lectures, or assignments, or twitter, then you've probably never seen any trauma of any kind at any point.

                          So yes, TRP, we should probably take this "safe space" talk seriously. Never mind that it's infinitely naive (an asteroid could strike the Earth and kill every last one of us with no warning at any moment); they're angling for political power, and with Orwellian language like "safe space," they're likely to get it.

                          [–]TheSliceman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Its good that we have an EVAC plan, but what we really need is a decentralized reddit.

                          A reddit that cant be censored by anyone. We have the technology.

                          [–]roxtafari 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          It's a pretty funny coincidence that the Reddit Admins also announced the return of the r/Beta program on the same day.

                          [–]Kirkayak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          I hold that Voltaire was saying something important when he mentioned his willingness to die for someone's right to say something he disagreed with.

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                          OK, guys. Fuck Reddit. Why don't we just start our own site? Fuck reddit and the feel good SJWs. fuck the Shadowbans. Fuck everything.

                          Lets build a site. A brand new site. A new eden of sorts. I have background in web development. I'm sure many of you bros have related skills too. Anyone interested?

                          [–]audscias 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          I work on a web-hosting and ISP company. I am available for helping on anything you need.

                          [–]cashmoney_x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Since when does discourse need to be 'safe?'

                          It should be free and stimulating. Not fucking safe.

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          A safe space? The space isn't exactly safe for those whose opinions run contrary to what these reddit admins deem "the norm".

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          It's like when the police officer says, "I smelled marijuana."

                          No disrespect to the officers that genuinely do smell marijuana at a stop. I'm sure it happens a lot. But far too many officers have dragged out that tired old device when looking for an excuse to illegally search someone's vehicle (probably because sense of smell doesn't register on that dashboard cam).

                          Same goes for the phrase "zero tolerance." I don't think I need to go into that one.

                          "Safe space" is the same kind of shit. If I hear the phrase, "I smelled marijuana," "zero tolerance," or "safe space" I reflexively cringe. My butt clenches up a tad more, I start looking around, and I'm pretty much waiting for the other shoe to drop.

                          Like "zero tolerance," or the marijuana thing, "safe space" is one of those phrases that, when you hear it, it means somebody's about to pull some dirty, nefarious shit.

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