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Building PowerYou only need to be 20% better than the average male. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Kryptic_Knight

When you walk into a bar/room, what's the first thing that you think about when taking a glance? I bet its vastly different than what I have in mind. You more then likely start judging the clothes people are wearing, looking at the meathead hoping you can avoid him, already labeling the "sluts", etc. I don't, for one reason...I know I'm better than everyone in there, the moment I walked in.

What I realized a long time ago, people tend to worry more about who's looking at them, than how they should be enjoying themselves. Even Alpha's, you'll have these guys ask if their hairs looking good, and if the shirt they have on is proper, etc. It's a wasted of time.

What you simply need to know is that; if you're witty, charismatic, and intelligent (or appear to be), you can get away with a lot. You don't have to be a genius, you don't have to lift the heaviest, and you certainly don't have to be Chappelle on the mic. You only need to be better than average, and in a world of sheep, you won't have much trouble.

The average male is mousy, self conscious, slow paced, and doesn't work out at all. Your investment should only be "enough", not the maximum. You shouldn't try to be the wisest in the room, but the most accurate. And this applies to every aspect of your character.

As a human being, you're more than likely doubting something about your persona, but the truth is, there's nothing wrong with your sword, it only needs to be sharpened, your shield isn't dented, your arm just aches a little from holding it up for so long, and your spear isn't broken, its' just bent from hitting your target.

You only need to refine yourself ever so slightly. Your adjustments to your character are minor, but that 20% vastly outweighs the beta's and omega's out there.

A man needs a creed, let this be it.


[–]NoWayButLift 463 points464 points  (121 children)

I agree with the message. In a world where most men would rather spend all their free time jerking off and playing Fortnite, you’re already ahead of the curve if you work out and use your time wisely. That said, you should always be striving for excellence. Hit your goal and set a higher one each time. Don’t become complacent in life no matter what because as males the competition never stops. Someone will always be better than you, realize you are a beast and nothing can stop a man who’s motivated.

[–]seducter 221 points222 points  (95 children)

Christ, I know a guy who doesn't even PLAY fortnite... he WATCHES other dudes play it on youtube...

[–]Saberinbed 299 points300 points  (87 children)

Fortnite is for losers. Real men play PUBG ;)

I don’t understand why people shame playing video games here. I game a lot, but i’m also a dedicated lifter. Been lifting for over 5 years now. I also watch anime and read manga. I’m one of the biggest guys in my gym. I’m standing at 5 10 and 182lbs, around 13-15% bodyfat. You just need to balance everything out.

I’ve gamed and even banged a few girls from my gym. I tell them about my hobbies. They even come watch me play games. Nothing wrong with doing something you enjoy. Its all about balance. If i didin’t workout or go out and run game, then yes, i’d be a fat piece of shit, but i make the effort to lift, alongside whatever else i like doing for the other 22 hours i’m not in the gym. Most of my lifting buddies are all gamers and huge nerds too.

[–]NitricTV 224 points225 points  (6 children)

Most people here don’t know what balance is.

[–]nadolny7 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Of course not, we need to remember 90% of people here are still overweight and on the beginning of their goals, they don't care about balance, their mindset currently goes against that. Only after they somewhat reach their objectives they might realize one should strive for balance.

[–]2000inchbiceps 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Most people try to fill a void of boring meaningless existence with easy to come by excitement. Which is why video games can be so addicting.

[–]NitricTV 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I used to be like than but then it got boring

[–]dthlist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Same. At what age did video games get boring for you?

[–]NitricTV 8 points9 points  (0 children)

16 - Lost interest in games started hitting the gym.

17 - Started College

18 - Found TRP & just about confirmed everything I was doing.

[–]Asianhopz 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Oh well that's only because I hate myself too much

[–]PurpleSweetz 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Agreed. My entire day is spent doing productive things. Finally around 9-9:30pm when I get home, I enjoy a good 2 hours of Left 4 Dead 2 with my boys.

[–]SonOfSparda304 6 points7 points  (0 children)

People on here assume you spend literally all of your time doing those things. Fortnite is all I play now cuz I can't make tons of time for video games anymore and it's easy to get a game or two in without taking up more than an hour.

[–]HeavenlyMystery 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There are guys here that are afraid of opening themselves. As you said, if you like something, you like it, period. As long as you lift, do goof on study/job and bang girls, there's no problem at all. I agree with you 100%

[–]OVOXOKing 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Ninja would take your bitch.

[–]EmotionalProblem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ninja would FUCK (keyword) your bitch because he has money, that is it.

[–]assholeofthesky 20 points21 points  (0 children)

People shame here because videogames have no value apart from mindless entertainment.

That's why

[–]Fulp_Piction 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's about balance, if you've hit the gym, done yohr run and nailed your calories i dont see a problem with an hoyr of vg here and there. A day of Fortnite however..

[–]AlQWEffos239 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can’t even sit in the same seat for more than 35 mins, I don’t know how people can just sit in a chair for hours like a half a fruit cake.

[–]starky-kun 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mighty Mouse, arguably the greatest UFC fighter ever is a huge video game nerd. Ain't nothing wrong with playing video games dawg.

[–]MountainEphiphany 27 points28 points  (5 children)

As a fellow anime/manga person, one of the best music to listen to is anime music while lifting. It gets you super hyped up. Also, a lot of manga or anime is just a story. A lot of those stories involve some kind of underdog or just someone who overcomes adversity to succeed. I feel like you can learn a little from the story.

[–]xlithernigga 25 points26 points  (10 children)

Lol 5 10 182 pounds. You go to planet fitness?

[–]Fapisluv 35 points36 points  (1 child)

If he went to another gym he would grow taller.

[–]1Entropy-7 7 points8 points  (0 children)

[–]Coolios_Hair 21 points22 points  (0 children)

imagine going to a gym where he's the biggest guy there

[–]SonOfSparda304 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Where I live all we got is a planet fitness so I'm making the most of that. Smith deads are weird.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

5'10 182 could be hella shredded...

Edit: just read... Hes not shredded... Wtf... Eat more and get to 200lbs man.

[–]LeftHookTKD 0 points1 point  (1 child)

5'10 200 would make him a fat fuck

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At 13-15(he supplied the number)% bodyfat 200 pounds would put him at around 170-175 pounds of lean mass. Right now he is talking 155-160 based off of the numbers he is giving us. Good diet and some actually lifting he could put that weight on in a year and some change.

A general rule of thumb is about 2.5lbs of lean mass per inch in height, minimum. You should aim for 2.7-2.8.

Also Christian Guzman was talked about being 20-30lbs underweight compared to the average natural bodybuilder based off of his height. So that guy citing CG is a fucking idiot. In some videos he looks DYEL Mode. If you noticed, he shut up from my last post.

[–]EPArt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly that balance 24 hrs in a day if you sleep for 6 as an example you have 18hrs to do. No one sane will spend all of it playing games especially if they are on this forum. There are all sorts from mindless time sinks to puzzle/language games guys here judge games like the outside views redpill.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

if you're 180 and one of the biggest guys in your gym, you need to find a bigger gym. im 180 6ft and i am very active but im not nearly the biggest when i walk into a gym. usually dudes who are 200-250lbs are the biggest

[–]Saberinbed 2 points3 points  (2 children)

There is a difference between being big porportinate to your height, and just big because you weight more. I’m talking about aesthetically big relative to your height and build. Someone at 5 6 and 160lbs could look massive compared to a skinny 6 4 210lb guy.

[–]Flyn95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

6 4 210lb guy.

210 wont look skinny on 6´4

[–]Trooper_1868 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The fast majority of people like us, are not what you would call otakus. Was at the gym yesterday and talking to these two girls and 1 guy as I was resting in between sets. Girl says shes a massive anime fan, i gave her a sarcastic look and she thought I was judging so hard. She also figured that no way does this guy read manga. Not the biggest guy in the gym but I'm leaning out slowly, well I'm still high BMI, but its going away slowly. Its amazing what height and good body posture does for you.

It is all about balance at the end of the day, although Im sure you have those days where you just want to binge on manga when you find a new one. I dont watch anime anymore because of time constraints.

You're the first anime TRPer I have seen (other than myself). Hopefully not the last :D

[–]Saberinbed 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Haha i happen to be into asian girls, and most of them are somewhat into anime. Its really funny when you tell people you’re a huge anime fan, and they just look at you in shock saying “no way, because it just dosen’t suit me.

As you said, it is all about balance.

[–]Trooper_1868 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly man. Funny stuff ahaha

[–]primu5d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's rad. I'm a big anime fan, but clearly don't look like it. The big stigma around it sucks cause imo it's a lot more interesting than modern TV.

[–]Reliiq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I lift 4 years but moved from console/pc gaming to pokemon go - cardio/socialization/being outside. Gaming is a drug, but most of the drugs can be used wisely.

[–]noPTSDformePlease 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's no different than watching baseball or football.

Watching sports and watching video games are different versions of the same thing: watching other people compete at an organized activity.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 25 points26 points  (2 children)

I play a game called “IRL” - brought to you by the same folks who produced the smash hit “Outside”. The graphics and NPC personality development are amazing, although I admit, sometimes the plot lags.

[–]Zech4riah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sadly, these days you can really say that there is NPC's running around in this IRL-game.

[–]Blum1989 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My laptop can't run it, so that's what I usually do.

[–]golden_juicebox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ew. I find that shit bizarre.

[–]frooschnate 11 points12 points  (16 children)

I’m trying to get my little brother to put the controller down and read some books

[–]lastdumra 10 points11 points  (15 children)

Get him to put the controller down and go take a hike. Reading books is not bad but a bit overrated IMO. Books can be a source of delusional fantasies and escapism as much as video games and movies.

Maybe your brother is not really made for books. Get him to drop video games and go work on wood. Or take salsa lessons. Or go climbing. Or learn magic tricks. Or... You get my point, maybe trying to switch video games for books is not the right solution for him.

[–]thisishowiwrite 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Honestly, in my opinion, you're better off reading a fantasy novel than playing a fantasy game.

[–]lastdumra 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Yes, the power television or videogames have to hook you up is not comparable to the power a book have. The book can hook you up, but its more serene, video games and TV is more compulsive.

That said a book can still twist your mind around with stupid ideas and feelings, and more importantly they might not be for everybody, for some people books might not work as a way to get away from video games.

[–]chomponthebit 6 points7 points  (9 children)

The trick is to read non-fiction. Practical shit about the real world beats idealistic shit about a fictional world. You don’t see natural Alphas reading fantasy, but you sure as hell see them reading self-help books about finance and investments.

[–]chrisname 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Can't agree with this. Good fiction contains wisdom and insight. Even ASOIAF has psychological insight. If you read people like Dostoevsky or Houllebecq, even moreso. Guys like Hemingway and Bukowski were manly as fuck. If you read them it can rub off on you. (I want to emphasise Houllebecq because he's redpill as fuck.)

Good fiction is full of the ideas and insights of the author, and a good fiction writer is full of wisdom. Just avoid the Stephen Kings, Dan Browns and definitely the J.K. Rowlings of the world. Stick to the literary classics and the work of a few modern geniuses (Houllebecq)

[–]chomponthebit 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I’m down with fables and proverbs that illuminate great insights within a few sentences, but though many of the most effective men in the world are passingly familiar with great fiction, they make themselves experts on reality by reading books written by the adepts in whatever field they wish to improve upon.

My rule of thumb is imagination should be used to problem-solve in this world, not as an escape. Betas escape. Alphas confront the world and build Eiffel Towers. I really need to remind myself of this on the daily

[–]chrisname 4 points5 points  (2 children)

OK, we're probably not going to agree on this but I respect your opinion. I'll let my recommendations in my previous post stand for anyone who is interested in great literature, because you can honestly learn as much from it as from any self help book.

[–]chomponthebit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No worries. Steel sharpens steel.

I’ll concede the strength of turn-of-the-century fiction, at least Modernist & Realist, is telling the stories that history doesn’t tell (the gruesomeness of war, rape, mental illness, social issues incl. class, race, & women’s issues). Now, however, the pendulum must swing back to reality. We must inoculate ourselves against fiction. Or at the very least, Marvel and The SJW Jedi which the West is balls-deep in

[–]MormonRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the hallmarks of great literature is that it can move and teach you in ways that a few pithy statements can't. In every good protagonist, we see a mixture of who we are and who we want to be. We go with them on a journey, and in so doing learn valuable lessons about ourselves. Great literature worms its way into the crevices of the mind in ways that pure introspection can't.

[–]DayGameChirality 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Can't agree with this. Read some Frank Herbert's Dune and then tell me his work has no insight into real life.

Also, you need relaxation as well. You seem like one of those people who shit on entertainment and people who create these things, then goes on to listen to music on the radio on his way to work. That'd be hypocrisy.

[–]chomponthebit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I read the entire Dune series when I was younger, but it didn’t teach me the Weirding Way, how to access the genetic memories of my ancestors, nor how to fold space. It’s fantasy and escapism and added nothing of practical value to my life. Except maybe the prophecy that one day a messiah will come to liberate men from the clutches of the witches who now dominate us

[–]DayGameChirality 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The books are full of stuff that make me question the reality. You've just listed the most fantasy-esque stuff that's found in the books, completely omitting all the dialogue techniques that are used or society, ecology, religion, philisophy questioning.

I guess we won't agree on this: I need high novelty and excitement, and solely real life doesn't do it for me. Do read books

[–]lastdumra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. Always keeping in mind that everything you read is theory. Nothing beats experience, even in investing. But I agree with you.

[–]magx01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fantasy games have reading (A game like Oblivion has actual books in it to read) AND you get the benefits of playing a game. Best of both :)

[–]frooschnate 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dude ain’t even a gamer. We just play fifa and I beat his ass. But he’s studying at another state and lives with friends and they play fortnite every fucking day it’s insane.

[–]lastdumra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get your brother to propose to go to the carts or paint ball shooting. College kids should love that, gets them outdoor and its not terribly expensive.

[–]Kryptic_Knight[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This. Right here, is the important part. You pretty much nailed the lifestyle of an average male. Video games and masturbation station(s)...which used to apply to geeks/nerds. Now grown men with jobs, girlfriends, etc, are becoming more and more average...making it easier of course, for men like me...however sad their existence might be.

[–]TheReformist94 5 points6 points  (3 children)

This post is bs. If you go to a club there's a shit tonne of men looksmaxxing and you have to be in the top 10% for a girl to give you the time of day.sometimes,if none of the men cut it,no men hook up and everyone goes home not scoring.

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    [–]bigbodybuilderr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    OP has obviously never been to LA or NYC

    [–]MountainEphiphany 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    What if you play games for a living? Like, you actually make money streaming and making content on YouTube, etc... Sure, it's lame to play games or even watch, like someone else commented, but to be fair, sheep need to exist. For the streamers to make money, there need to be sheep that just like to watch the game. For CEOs to make money, you need a bunch of sheep with no ambition working in the office under him. I ask for myself, because although I workout, am an engineering student, and still read and do self-improvement, I play video games. I don't play for fun or to make my character look pretty; I play competitively, stream, and go to competitions. And I win (sometimes) and make money.

    [–]NoWayButLift 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    This is personal anecdote, but I live my life by the 80/20 rule and if you want to play video games for a small allotted time every so often go for it. I do it myself. Don’t tie yourself to the restrictions of this sub or other people. I naturally have stopped playing them less and less as I have developed different skills and better ways to spend my time.

    [–]EPArt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Just do you man you cant always go into what people say as a 100% non flexible rule. If you want to be a man unto yourself do whatever the fuck it is you want to do. If I listened to this shit 100% I wont be able to go into the games industry or make contacts and network at events. People say its time waste because they have no vested interest but if being involved in it makes you money and you can expand on it, it has value. You can be the Alpha above all alpha's but if you never enjoy or do want you want to you might as well be dead.

    [–]wknapek 53 points54 points  (1 child)

    Solid advice, I think that the beauty of humans is that we are all pretty similar but we can change ourselves to be better as long as we have the will and the wits to do so.

    [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    Not only that, but it's not unfair. If you're able to get yourself to a good place, mentally, physically, career wise....it's an honest symbol. Lifting like your life depends on it isn't a hack. It shows determination and grit.

    [–]Casanova-Quinn 114 points115 points  (27 children)

    This is the average male body. The average is basically a "dad bod". The bar is so low it's pathetic. Any man here should be able to do better.

    [–]DareyFathom 70 points71 points  (7 children)

    And for comparison, the average American female is 5'3" and 166 lbs. which is also so pathetic any female should be able to do better. And yet at least half don't.

    [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

    Life is sad. 165 is only ok for a woman around 5'10 or taller in most cases.

    [–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My ex is 5'9" and 130. Depending on your source, Gwendoline Christie (6'3") is either 165 or 185. 5'11" and 165 would be BMI 23 which isn't bad. Women tend to look better at BMI 21, however.

    [–]lorum_ipsum_dolor 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    I was out at a local bar/restaurant last night and I'd guess that 9 out of 10 women in the place were either overweight or were virtual landwhales. It used to be that a lot of guys were fat but most women were in decent shape but that's not the case any more.

    [–]naIamgood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yea that will be the case when restaurant serve one size for all! Its not enough for a man(So men munch on more fries and Soda) and its too much for a women.

    [–]t-away3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I wonder what the median weights are. I have to imagine the obese people skew the average to the right more than anorexic types skew it to the left.

    [–]LeftHookTKD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    And women really don't need to hit the gym or put in years of hard work. They just need to not stuff their face. Guys gotta build muscle to look good.

    [–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Thank fuck I live in China (average female BMI 23.4)

    [–]MountainEphiphany 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    Wow. I spend a lot of time in the gym so I think the average is a male that's physically fit. Also, most of my friends are physically fit. It's hard for me to imagine that this is the average because I spend most of my time with people who are much farther above it.

    [–]Fapisluv 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    It is not the average for young people in their 20's... most people stop working out around 25 years old. Maybe that's where the rp advice is based on, that if you are an old man who has their shit together and keeps fit, you are very ahead.

    [–]Casanova-Quinn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yes this data is based on men in their 30’s. Men in their 20’s are leaner on average, however they are mostly just skinny or soft looking. Lifting is advised on TRP because the average man at any age is not muscular.

    [–]blister333 21 points22 points  (2 children)

    5’9 with a 39 waist? What a pity

    [–]freshoutofgravitas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I read that in David Bowies voice

    [–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (3 children)

    The bar is so low it's pathetic.

    Not around here. I live across the street from a university. Nearby, the park I run at is where the pretty people go. This state has some of the most fit people in the country.

    Iron sharpens iron....sometimes I want to go to the deep south just to be a god amongst men.

    [–]chomponthebit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Do what the alphas (of both sexes) do. Emulate them. Surround yourself with them. I love this strategy, sir!

    [–]Pepethe1stofHisName 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    setting the bar pretty low there, Todd.

    So what is top 20% stats? I'm guessing it looks more like VanDerTodd (Todd #3)

    [–]afkb39sdfb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    If you don't have a better body that that time to get your shit together.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    That image includes stats from old 30+ year old married men which is irrelevant for almost everyone here because we aren't competing with them for anything. The average guy I see in my college is fit and almost everyone I know lifts.

    [–]Casanova-Quinn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    If look into the data you'll see that the 20-29yo average weight is 83.4kg and 30-39yo average weight is 90.5kg (Pg.9 of the CDC report). That's only a 7.1kg difference. And no where in the data was marriage status mentioned.

    In your case, you are in a little bubble because of your lifestyle. Colleges contain more fit people because of sports. And if you lift, it's no surprise that your friends lift. Birds of a feather flock together.

    [–]RedPilledGodEmperor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    wait, that can't be serious? That's absolutely pathetic. The funny thing is I know guys who don't workout that much and look better than that.

    [–]duehvdke 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    TIL I look better than the average man by a longshot. Thanks, lifting!

    [–]1Entropy-7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I get these epiphanies every now and then. I mean shit: I am one or two decades older than Todd and I don't work out regularly but I am looking pretty damn good by comparison.

    [–]MarcosDomingues 192 points193 points  (26 children)

    Wrong. Remember you are competing and being compared to the top 20%. The other 80% basically aren't even allowed to play the game, they're invisible.

    [–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (20 children)

    I agree with your point dude, the OP is confused or just has low standards. I dont know who he thinks HB8s & HB9s are but NOT A SINGLE legitimate 8 or 9 I know is even remotely concerned with the 20% in terms of who they want to end up with. They all describe a guy in the top 10% or higher.

    The 20% are the eligible bachelors that a attractive woman is willing to settle for if all else fails.

    [–]Gidanocitiahisyt 32 points33 points  (1 child)

    In theory, wouldn't the 20/80 rule apply again inside of the 20/80 rule?

    Out of the top 20% of men, the top 20% of THOSE men would be competing for the top 80% of the top 80% of the overall female population. This would mean that if the ratios were actually exactly 20/80 (I know it's not), only the top 4% of men would have access to the top 64% of women.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Last sentence seems spot on.

    [–]RSFrylock 6 points7 points  (17 children)

    low standards. I dont know who he thinks HB8s & HB9s are but NOT A SINGLE legitimate 8 or 9 I know is even remotely concerned with the 20% in terms of who they want to end up with. They all describe a guy in the top 10% or higher.

    That's why you go for the 5-7s. They don't have high expectations, and they won't leave you once the next best guy comes along. If your qualifications are too high, you won't find anyone.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (16 children)

    I never understood why men go for 8-9s. They're not special. Pussy is pussy. 5-7s are totaly fine and adore you if you're a 7. 8-9s are just full of themselves.

    [–]shubhidoobi 6 points7 points  (8 children)

    This. I don't get why people rate in 1-10, I do binary style. 0- would not fuck, 1- would fuck. Like you said pussy is pussy, doesn't matter if she's a 8-9 or 5-7, eventually you'll get bored of fucking same thing for years. And also there are NO 10's.

    [–]SpaceEnthusiast 2 points3 points  (5 children)

    7s and 8s and 9s are very different from each other. We've literally evolved to mate with the best possible mate. A 9 does something to the brain that a 7 simply cannot. If she's got a good head on her shoulders, being with a 9 is like being on drugs. It can feel incredible. But it's also quite dangerous if she's not that into you. I find that most of my friends simply don't go for such women, either because they have no idea what it'll feel like or BECAUSE they know and they're afraid.

    Also, there are plenty of 9s who have a decent head on their shoulders.

    [–]615bachelor 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    The OP is dead wrong. The average woman puts all guys in the bottom 80%. So if an average guy is around the 50% mark then being 20% better is only putting you at around 70%. Guys with an SMV value of 7/10 will be getting girls who are around the 5/10 smv level.

    [–]Kryptic_Knight[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    False. You're not really competing with the top 20%, you more than likely don't even know what that looks like. You're also far too closed minded about it. The other 80% are playing the game, they're just stuck running into the same wall.

    You're born playing this game, some of us just happen to know it.

    [–]MarcosDomingues 53 points54 points  (0 children)

    When you approach a girl, or when a girl considers you as a potential partner she will compare you to all her current list of options, and those 80% of guys are not included there.

    [–]wayneinthegame 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    I can't accept a little better than average as my creed. Good practical advise, and maybe its my inferiority complex but if I do something...i wanna be the fucking best.

    [–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 34 points35 points  (13 children)

    20% better than the average male is performing at 70%

    The old adage is that women are interested in the top 20% men and will share them if they have to.

    So your performance has to be 30% better than average, at about 80%.

    You shouldn't try to be either the wisest or the most accurate in the room, you should try to be that which works best for you, which is different per guy.

    I can be funny, but I'm rarely the funniest.

    I am average looking, mostly due to lazy grooming.

    I am however the most enthusiastic, happiest, motivating person and am acutely aware of subtle mood switches in people.

    Get to know yourself well, learn your strengths and weaknesses. You don't have to excel at everything (though I wouldn't normally admit most of my errors and flaws as it sounds low confidence to do so).

    You don't have to be best at everything but it's worth it to let your strengths shine. When I learned when to let my enthusiasm free reign and when to reign it back a bit to let other people speak.

    And it helps to get a good idea of the archetypical attractive male types that women want and recontextualise/recallibrate accordingly. For example, being funny is good, but be careful that you're not an entertaining clown. Learn to do it from a position of strength. Being smart and witty is good, but be careful that you're not doing it as a nerdy knowitall, etc etc.

    [–]freshoutofgravitas 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    wisdom is the only growth that won't blow out your ACL. I've met many girls who were sapiophilic, and gamed and banged accordingly. the intent isn't to be a know it all, but a know-what-is-needed, exactly when its needed. like when some has a broken leg, severed artery, its kinda nice to know how to tie a tourniquet. edit: accurate information

    [–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Good point. Reminds me of how Asimov for the first caught his future wife's interest by being able to simply and clearly explain the answer to the "what happens if an immovable object meets an unstoppable force?" question that she was just asking to stump him.

    [–]smallpoly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The numbers are goofy, and so is arguing over exact percent. How do you measure being 10% funnier? Apply for some grant money and do a study? The point gets across - it doesn't take much to excel in a couple key categories, and you don't have to be the best to do well.

    [–]Dynamite_n_Gasoline 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    "I fix what is bothering me" - David Goggins (PJRE podcast)

    [–]thisishowiwrite 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Fuck that dude is an inspiration.

    [–]2chazthundergut 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Being confident and friendly and giving out positive vibes will go much further than you'd think.

    I say this as a man who is only 5'9'' and 280 lbs.

    [–]FeelTheBernieSanderz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    What I'd say to this, becoming above average enter you in a positive feedback loop whereby your potential to grow becomes exponential.

    [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (10 children)

    I like the message but being in the top 20% will get you all the average chicks with less effort , if you want to be swarmed by 8s &9s then the bar is much higher than top 20 , think Top 5% or even less

    [–]1Entropy-7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    To "be swarmed" is setting a rather high bar. Being able to score 8s on a relatively consistent basis is much more doable.

    I think that the OP's point is that you don't have to be top notch to do well in the SMP, just better than the majority of other guys.

    [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

    Being in the top 20% is very subjective. Being in the top 20% at a bar in Tulsa is simple. Being in the top 20% at a club in San Diego full of Navy Seals and Professional athletes is a different story. I don't believe in associating with average or below average if possible. I would rather hang around the top tier striving forward.

    [–]Johndoesmith67 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    HEY! YOU LEAVE TULSA ALONE!!!!!!!

    [–]thegreatcornholio42 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Jacksonville is basically San Diego's East Coast cousin. Very similar situation

    [–]JosephBosa 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I would give Miami that title. Pro athletes live in San Diego or SoCal for offseason training due to the weather and all the elite coaches living here. Same with Miami.

    [–]thegreatcornholio42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    We have an NFL team in Jacksonville as well as 3 Navy Bases, a National Guard Armory and their main base is just outside of town, as well as a big port and four rail hubs including the main one for CSX. Jacksonville is more like San Diego than Miami

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    It's really strange....yesterday I was in the courtyard, grilling up a ribeye.....some dude came in the gate, went into the clubhouse...I'm pretty friendly with a quick smile, but the dude didn't look at me, not once. I guess I'm that guy now. Lift like your life depends on it.

    [–]Iwannachokekatie 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    I'm so swole not even chicks dare look at me, man.

    [–]xlithernigga 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    This sub isn't about being slightly above average it's about being the best.

    [–]Wolfoflulzstreet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Hell, you only need to appear to be 20% better. Women are already write their own story about you the moment they see you.

    [–]RPmatrix 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    the guy who can relax and just 'be themselves' is an easy person to talk to and be with ... he's way ahead of any guy who's in any way 'self conscious' and most likely quite awkward as a result.

    Girls are often happy to talk with such guys. Having girls 'happy to talk with you' = 'pre-selection' for other women to take notice of ... which is what you want when on the prowl, the more female validation you can get the better.

    That's why wingwomen can be so effective. I had a WW who could get me talking with any female in the club! She was naturally fabulous at the job! It was almost too easy with her on hand, lol. I'd also set her up with any guys she was interested in, but she was bisexual so sometimes we were 'competing' with each other for some HB

    NGAF is an essential M.O when in public. After all, you don't know what other people are thinking so why think that they're thinking about you?

    Worrying about OPO (Other People's Opinions) is a major waste of energy and only negatively affects your ability to "be in the moment" ... and you can't be a 'witty and amusing guy' when your mind is 'elsewhere'

    Great Game requires you being 'on fire and in the moment' with your attention 100% focused on the job at hand. Any half decent game needs you to be on the ball for the best results

    Teach yourself to 'not care' ... keep reminding yourself 'why it doesn't matter' and eventually it will 'sink in' and you'll find yourself NGAF without thinking about it and having the best time becoz of it.

    After all, you can't enjoy the moment if you're thinking of other things

    Field test: The next time you're out with friends, when you remember this, ask yourself about those who are not in your group; "how much attention am I paying to any of the other people in this place?"

    I think you'll be surprised at the answer, which is likely the same as the guy on the other side of the room's would be if asked! You're paying them no mind whatsoever, except when that guy dropped the tray of glasses, but that's it!

    TL:DR: Nobody really GAF about you or what you're doing, so why should you? If you do, learn how not to GAF, it just takes practice, like most things but it's very achievable

    good post OP, worth remembering

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    you don't know what other people are thinking

    Mostly they are thinking about themselves and how insecure they are. Once you see it with your own eyes it is almost laughable.

    [–]RPmatrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Mostly they are thinking about themselves and how insecure they are.

    I don't think they're being so 'conscious' about it, more likely trying not to think about it as they try to get drunk enough so that it's no longer inhibiting their 'truer selves' ability to 'socialize'. Maybe later, at home, drunk and alone they'll reflect upon their shortcomings and consequently feel extremely insecure!

    Once you see it with your own eyes it is almost laughable.

    At first, the it becomes sad when you realize these 'men' are reflecting our societies 'current values' .... which are FUBAR

    [–]mheyk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Truthfully the only thing I worry about walking into a bar is there bar seating and does the selection suck

    [–]thisishowiwrite 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The average male is mousy, self conscious, slow paced, and doesn't work out at all.

    This is a reflection on you, OP. You're moving in the wrong crowds. I don't want to be 20% better than shitkickers.

    [–]spoonhatt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Okay you keep working at 80% I'll stick to my 100%. Good base idea but why not strive to be the best?

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    #METOO doesn't apply to you if you're in the top 20%

    [–]Okthisopisnotsmarttt 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I can say with 100% confidence you are not better than anyone, anywhere you go. The only people who brag and thunp their own backa like this are losers who wont make eye contact and pretend to be awesome on reddit. Sorry.

    [–]buttgoogler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Holy fuck. The quote about your sword, shield and spear is golden.

    [–]Ddanndt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    who cares about these things Just be yourself don't think too much what anyone thinks about you,sometimes even if you haven't done anything wrong people gonna judge you and worst thing is sometime your own family will judge you so fuck it do whatever you want and enjoy your life

    [–]ApexmanRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    OP, I get your message, however, this should only be a stepping stone towards the top 20%.

    If you can rate yourself (objectively) 20% higher than the average male, then great, but don't stop.

    The time to stop, where diminishing returns will kick in, is when you hit the top 20%. Then its a matter of fine tuning to suit what you want from life.

    [–]Alexinfinite01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    These pep talks really help I find. Being a recovering blue piller is like being a recovering alcoholic. It's a life long battle but worth fighting

    [–]BurnoutRS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I wanna reword this message. You should strive for the best, but you should also understand that progress takes time and you have to be alive to have any chance to progress further. The last part being the most important. If you dedicate so much time to liftng that you miss assignments in class or fall behind on the job...

    I've had friends who held themselves to the highest standards, never gave themselves a break and they all were ridiculously high strung, stressed out, professed to "definitely have a mental illness" despite the only evidence they had to support that claim being that a doctor gave them an SSRI to try out. They were great people, theyve had successes but they never just let themselves be.

    Work hard, play hard. Ever find yourself unable to engage fully in recreational activities after prolonged sessions? say you binge a series, playthrough a whole game. if youre anything like me, you get to this point where youre not immersed in what youre doing anymore because on some level you know how superfluous it is to your life goals. The opposite can also be true, where you give yourself no room to breath and push yourself until youre nothing but stress.

    Finally, you should try scheduling some leisure time at the end of an intense day of working. get up, go to work, go to the gym and then go to a bar, go to a club any venue. Notice how you being spent from working puts you in the mindset where you couldnt give a fuck less about anyone elses bullshit, you just wanna enjoy yourself. Ive passed shit tests inadvertently by just being too tired to give a shit about whats being said to me

    [–]AJ_BeautifulChaos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Not sure if that's sound advice though. I understand the reasoning but since almost everyone is average hence the term they would need to give the maximum to get into the 20% above.
    It's safe to assume from the outset not be the champ and give it the best shot so to reach up to this 20% region you name.
    Starting out with the mindset "well let's not over-invest here" might not be enough. Same applies to workout and guys with average genetics.

    [–]As-You-Were 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I feel like that first paragraph could be used in a Scorsese film. Excellently put.

    [–]Flannellord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Are there any books or videos anyone can recommend that talks more about this?

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Your investment should only be "enough", not the maximum.

    Be all the mediocre that you can be? No thanks.

    [–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    When I walk to a bar or club my first thought is that what is the men/woman ratio and where is the hottest girl which I will approach. When I feel confident and good about myself (most of the time), it even doesn't come to mind to compare myself to others or to judge other people.

    The fact that you actually consciously think (or maybe more like tell yourself?) you are better than others tell me that you are still work on progress although in a good way and towards right direction.

    And yes, for average red pilled guy 20% better will be enough. For the ones wanting more, it's is just a waypoint.

    [–]Kryptic_Knight[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The point is that you don't have to try hard to better than the average man. I've gotten everything on the high spectrum of women....doesn't require a lot of work.

    You're extrapolating incorrectly; its not that I tell myself I'm better than most people in a room, its that I already know, because the general populous is the 80% that are boring, vapid and sheepish. Pareto principle, look it up. The 20% is what matters, ultimately.

    20% isn't just "enough", its the finish line...when it comes to women, if you want "more" then you're looking to work on yourself to a degree that makes you the 1%.

    [–]BENDERisGRREAT 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Looking at everything around the room you walk in is part of being a man. Only women and children don't pay attention to their surroundings.

    Hang out with some older guys, they survey a room they walk into and NEVER sit with their back to the door

    [–]Kryptic_Knight[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    You missed the point entirely.

    [–]BENDERisGRREAT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The point is you told everyone they shouldn't survey a room they walk into...

    [–]Flyn95 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    ?? how you know your the best looking guy in the room . as ssoon u see a 6´4 guy with godlike frame and 8/10 face u just leav the bar then?

    [–]FatmanO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    yes buying rope on the way is an option tehehe

    [–]naIamgood 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    people here think that they will workout, develop game and make all the jumps and voila! they will be the top 5% of the males. Some people need to accept that you may never be in the top 20% let alone top 5%. You must be content with that. That is not to discourage improvement but spending too much effort can sometimes be akin to polishing the turd.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    Polish the turd till you die man. What is the other option? To waste away?

    [–]naIamgood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    All I am saying is that the Improvement model is like an asymptotic curve. There is a "Plateau" and for alot of people that plateau might fall way below the benchmark of top 20%. This is the reality and there is nothing you can do except be content with that.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Reincarnation. Reincarnation is the other option. Wait, no, it's not real. Back to polishing the turd.

    [–]frhnwunderkid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    To hell with your mediocrity. Your mindset needs to be focused on making yourself as productive as humanly possible to become greatness. Especially if you're young.

    Read books Lift weights Eat with a goal Go out Flirt a lot Get rejected Learn from mistakes Acquire currency

    There's no right way to do this, but I'm sure as hell that being slightly above average just won't cut it.

    [–]Jfc_Manners 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Poisoning the well, I see. Interesting to see that more and more TRPers and using powertalk against the broader male self-improvement community to trick them into getting lazy.

    Bro, there are not diminishing returns to working on yourself. There are accelerating returns to working on yourself. You don't "need" to do anything, but man, you can do a lot...if you stop worrying about conserving effort and energy, and start thinking about doing as much as you can.

    [–]Kryptic_Knight[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You missed my point entirely, but good job at doing so, you're at maximum productivity when it comes to lack of reading comprehension.

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