ScienceStudy: Women prefer muscular, dominant, wealthy men (self.TheRedPill)

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Macho men, particularly ones in suits, still reign supreme on the totem pole of sexual attraction, a new study finds.

Researchers at Coventry and Aberystwyth universities in the United Kingdom looked at three years of data from TubeCrush, a British hot-or-not-type site where users upload photos of male London Underground passengers, to evaluate the male archetypes straight women and gay men found most attractive.

One striking initial observation by the researchers was that most men uploaded were white, despite London being a fairly diverse city. Popular images also often made sure to focus on a man’s biceps, pectorals, and chest, particularly if he was muscular in those areas.

Many accompanying comments also emphasized a man’s physique and supposed sexual prowess, the researchers note.

Another frequent theme in popular images was displays of wealth, whether it was through jewelry, fancy attire, or expensive technology.

Meanwhile, men who demonstrated less dominant or aggressive behavior, such as fathers, or males who seemed more sensitive or awkward, fared worse on TubeCrush.

“From smart-suited City workers to toned gym-goers flashing their flesh, the men featured in the photographs on TubeCrush show that as a culture we still celebrate masculinity in the form of money and muscle,” says lead researcher Adrienne Evans. “They are marking the middle-class, wealthy, mobile and sexually powerful male body, not as a political one as feminists intend it to be, but one that should be actively desired.”

Although some positive attention can certainly help a guy’s self-esteem, Evans argues that women are still looking in the wrong direction.

“It’s a problem because although it appears as though we have moved forward, our desires are still mostly about money and strength,” she concludes.

Do not try to lie, Evans. You DO NOT prefer poor, awkward, fat males. :)

The researchers’ findings were published in the journal Feminist Media Studies.



[–]--69 1163 points1164 points  (88 children)

And men like thin women with big tits. I know, I was mindblown by this groundbreaking discovery too.

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    [–]illusiveab 195 points196 points  (31 children)

    I mean..if your friend likes big girls, that's cool. But let's not pretend like fucking big girls for the sake of getting laid is a legitimate means by which to judge the standard. I'd rather jerk off or work harder than simply accept "welp this is the best I can do" and act like I'm hitting my pinnacle just because I'm getting laid a lot.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 135 points136 points  (17 children)

    You’ve got the right idea but don’t be so quick to dismiss guys that do that. If you’ve ever been through a serious drought, then you should know that not getting any can create a crippling feedback loop. Dudes that can at least get some are often better off in their attitudes towards women than those who haven’t gotten their dicks wet in a minute.

    You are right though; the goal should always be to be better and get better. Hunger drives men on a primal level. That fact should never be forgotten.

    [–]reddit_take2 68 points69 points  (11 children)

    Everyone’s been hogging before, it’s supposed to be shameful though. not accepted and damn sure not celebrated

    [–]Wolveryn 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    Hogging is the funniest term I've ever heard. Gold!

    [–]thetotalpackage7 39 points40 points  (4 children)

    It reminds me of the old joke which goes, "what does a moped and a fat chick have in common? They're both fun to ride until one of your friend sees you."

    Personally I would never date a fat woman. But I would say fucking one is way better than jerking off as long as no one finds out.

    [–]pmmedenver 30 points31 points  (3 children)

    Yeah or until she gets pregnant and decides to keep it.

    [–]harsha_hs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This happens quite often than you think.

    [–]sickofallofyou 22 points23 points  (1 child)

    They're called Practice girls.

    [–]fromthecrypt8 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    Extremely well said. This is true af. Dipping your schlong in some fat chick poontang if you’ve had an insane dryspell is better than getting into that negative Feedback loop where all your dick knows is the palm of your hand or a fleshlight.

    [–]SpecialSpnk 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Ya look at the incel examples. Those people are the trash of the earth

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      [–]7mile_ 44 points45 points  (3 children)

      Haha "Come save me". Like she couldn't just walk away from them

      [–]2Overkillengine 24 points25 points  (0 children)

      More like "Come validate me by confronting this other male on my behalf!"

      [–]_xX-BongRippa420-Xx_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      "If you save me that's fine. If not, I'll just let this bouncer whisk me away."

      Walking away seems the best option.

      [–]chuckthundercock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Only recalibration here would have been to hit on the big fat one and completely neg the hot one. You may have ended up with the hotter one. Given circumstances and fatigue, you did well anyway..

      [–]banjew 38 points39 points  (6 children)

      When I was 20 and 30 I liked big girls. Not obese, but curvy. Turns out I only liked big tits.

      Now that I'm older, I had my share of huge tits. I still like them, but now I much prefer thin, young girls. I could care less about their tits. Incredible how tastes change.

      [–]Troll_Name 17 points18 points  (5 children)

      Probably because the ones with big tits have disproportionately massive egos.

      [–]banjew 40 points41 points  (2 children)

      Thin young girls have much bigger egos.

      [–]Jonlife 28 points29 points  (0 children)

      Most guys will fuck what they can get. They lower their standards. This is cuck like behavior, but most men have ultra low self esteem. Especially when it comes to dealing with women.

      If you want to Guage a man's self esteem, just look at the of women he's keeping around.

      [–]SickofUrbullshit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Your friend must be truly desperate if he's dating landwhales.

      [–]Cenki 22 points23 points  (9 children)

      I don't frequent this subreddit but I wanted to pop into the topic, then I saw this comment and got disgusted about the pigfucker, and wondered if that term was allowed here.

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        [–]banjew 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        haha pigfucker, hogging, you guys are the best.

        [–]pmmedenver 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        "Allowed here"? You do realize its just a word right.

        [–]freshoutofgravitas 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        "Captain? You do have your whaling license, don't you?"

        [–]killzon32 104 points105 points  (2 children)

        That's sexist!!!!! Only women have the right to objectify men. /s

        [–]1ozaku7 46 points47 points  (1 child)

        No need for the /s, on this sub noone would take you seriously with that sentence anyway.

        [–]juliusstreicher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Exactly! Men can objectify men as well!

        [–]1mental_models 20 points21 points  (3 children)

        I'm more impressed by the people who obtain $funding for studies like these, than by the results(obviously lol).

        It's like getting a bunch of money for showing that water is wet...

        [–]plainposter 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        probably half the money spent every day is just wasted.. i think that's even an understatement

        [–]Gawernator 41 points42 points  (18 children)

        I thought we like blubbery obese women because it means they had wealth to eat a lot and stuff /s

        [–]1scissor_me_timbers00 23 points24 points  (3 children)

        "Rubenesque" is the term, and they weren't obese, they were just thicker.

        [–]EPArt 27 points28 points  (1 child)

        I believe kids now call it thicc

        [–]Troll_Name 12 points13 points  (6 children)

        It was attractive when it was rare.

        Pale skin is still attractive in East Asia, partly because areas other than Japan are just-now breaking into the wonderful world of wealth. Having dark skin meant you were a farmer or filth-worker, and thus effectively worthless.

        When China's rising middle class turns itself white through sun deprivation, women will fetishize the 'traditional' look.

        [–]thetotalpackage7 9 points10 points  (3 children)

        That's exactly what happened in the west. The Victorian ladies especially would walk around with the sun umbrellas. A tan meant you were a pleb outside scrubbing laundry on a washboard in a lot all day or picking some crop.

        [–]FractalNerve 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        I still believe that a muscular, suited, tanned man would get laid more often than a pale one, even back then. The "bad" color (cultural ideal) would only add to the hottness factor.

        [–]Phoenixtorment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Same thing with smoking, the upper class people would smoke. Implied wealth. Then the plebs started smoking, so the upper classes stopped.

        [–]Neal_Armstrong 8 points9 points  (5 children)

        A cheeseburger is not wealthy food.

        [–]Gawernator 16 points17 points  (3 children)

        Obvious sarcastic comment was sarcastic, went right over your head.

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          [–]EPArt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          lol well depends on how many you have for lunch breakfast and dinner not to mention the snacks

          [–]king_yallah64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          But really though, is anyone honestly all that surprised?

          [–]k-ma 513 points514 points  (6 children)

          In other news, water is wet.

          [–]LibertyIsNotFree 94 points95 points  (1 child)

          Sky is blue, tune in for more breaking news at 6

          [–]plainposter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          hey it's fuckin midnight and i'm still waiting for my breaking news.. where did you guys go?

          [–]bigz000 16 points17 points  (0 children)

          Does saying you’ve run your own study get you laid somehow???

          [–]OSaraiva 188 points189 points  (26 children)

          If someone studies this in 500 years, i'm pretty sure the result will be the same.

          [–]Alegretron 22 points23 points  (1 child)

          That look and manner of being will probably be folklore and legend by then unfortunately ... Like the Vikings or Spartans.

          [–]WolfofAnarchy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          On one hand I wanna raise a kid who's gonna be a fucking RP'd badass, have a fantastic life, screw heaps of chicks, explore the world, attain power and have a tremendous life, but on the other hand, I look at this world, and I don't want to put someone into it.

          [–]Moneyley 43 points44 points  (18 children)

          I wish; I think the pussification of men is rampant. Poor diet and lack of discipline as well as lack of brain gains is possibly going to change the dna of men. Look at the bombardment of recent allegations in combination with women starting campaigns against cat calling. They literally dont have any idea of how they want to be approached. I come here and read of another story where a bro was saved by recording his game, or simply recording himself during a uber ride. If anything, at one point, the suit (ironically because of these type of surveys) will be banned because it is "too intimidating" to women. Women will cry "its no fair, he wore a suit and said HI to me...I followed him to his room and he let me in but but I really didnt want to be in there".

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            [–]whenrudyardbegan 38 points39 points  (11 children)

            Uhhh no that's the problem, the last war killed off all the good men

            [–]1ozaku7 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            If feminism goes with the same momentum it does now, we will end up with a Rick and Morty episode that turns out to be true, where men are left to their destiny and only used to extract their semen for the hyperfeminine society.

            [–]rebelde_sin_causa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            In less than 500 years, everyone will be banging lifelike sex robots and totally ignoring the opposite sex

            [–]EPArt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            If the feminist havent started another world war by then and the world is post apocalyptic. Now I think about it that may be the best situation for men a post apocalyptic world most of the sjw and girly men may die first in high numbers probably getting killed protecting women.

            [–]BobbyPeru 115 points116 points  (2 children)

            So this confirms that lifting is good.


            [–]abstractplebbit 72 points73 points  (1 child)

            Yeah it's a good thing we have that settled finally

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            [–]areq13 25 points26 points  (13 children)

            Did you mean the OkCupid stats about match scores by race? Yeah, that was pretty clear cut, even on an urban, liberal site: white men were the most popular group and black women the least popular.

            [–]Churff 22 points23 points  (12 children)

            Cus nobody actively and looks for a black woman, unless she’s light skinned. I don’t understand how there can be such a huge gap in attractiveness between black girls and light skin girls. Lightskin girls are 2nd hottest for me behind white girls, and dark skins all the way at the bottom

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              [–]MasterOwls 14 points15 points  (2 children)

              This is a based post. 100% agree with everything. And the funny thing is I know you are not racist. You are a realist. Lord help you though if you repeat these valid points in public

              [–]hawkeaglejesus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              statistically, black women are the most poor, have the most STDs, the most obesity, the least education, and most likely to divorce.

              [–]RedwallAllratuRatbar 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              1. Actually children of like 2 extremely tall people or 2 extremely smart people is somewhat bound to be worse than them. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean

              [–]Perfect-Practice 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Define extreme.

              Extreme height and IQ are almost a disadvantage in terms of health and EQ.

              [–]plaudite_cives 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              he explicitly mentioned regression to the mean - because it's always better to somewhat regress from 130 parents' average than from 115...

              [–]Bostenboy 136 points137 points  (72 children)

              Living in the Bay Area and having worked in silicon valley, 98.5% of young Asian women I see are dating white men. As for the Asian guys, they're shit out of luck. Asian women are a great example of how all women will use any opportunity to get a more dominant masculine man when given the choice.

              [–]Gawernator 53 points54 points  (3 children)

              I see guys saying this but in Berkeley and SF I see a lot of asian girls with asian men too. More like 50/50 split. Definitely white or asian only though. lol

              [–]Bostenboy 23 points24 points  (2 children)

              I know right, only Asian and white. It's like the Asian men around here lost a bet or something.

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                [–]Bostenboy 114 points115 points  (9 children)

                True, but I think Asian men in general make great people. They are educated, work very hard, responsible with children, and respectful to people. They are what a women would describe as the perfect men but clearly you don't see women going for them and as much as they won't admit it, it's because they tend to be less masculine. Women instead fantasize about a Latino Don Juan type that goes around fucking and abandoning once she gets pregnant.

                [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (7 children)

                they for sure are. but they are raised to be beta. isolated from sports, forced to do extra homework or musical instruments, usually no good dominant male model, few role models to look up to (if they are focused on race, which unfortunately most minorities are)

                a lot of them have a defeatist attitude towards dating as well, which is the real killer for them

                Women instead fantasize about a Latino Don Juan

                they just fantasize about someone who is dominant and treats them they way they actually want to be treated (not what the movies/tv show). their mind will fill in the rest whether its don juan, the 50 shades of grey guy, whoever

                [–]J-baller 45 points46 points  (44 children)

                Black men are stereotyped as being the most dominant masculine men.

                [–]AllahHatesFags 123 points124 points  (2 children)

                Yeah but they are also the least wealthy.

                [–]Bostenboy 75 points76 points  (0 children)

                Dominant indeed, but they are also stereotyped as not having much money. Asian girls fucking love money.

                [–]1CoupDeGrace22 35 points36 points  (15 children)

                Propagandized into portrayal as the most dominant you mean, only idiots in the US believe that which is also reinforced by how garbage a big part of male population is here, most other white parts of the world( Most of Europe, Japan, China, Russia,) black men still sit on the lower parts of the totem pole.

                [–]red_matrix 39 points40 points  (14 children)

                Blacks in the US seem to be more aggressive, but it could also be a class thing too. Lower class and blue-collar (all races) seem to be more aggressive and have that natural DGAF attitude, it could be due to testosterone (from physical work), working around men all day, or just a fuck the man mentality.

                Modern jobs have men sitting all day, slowly dying, working in cubes under artificial light, and working with women, and in many cases nowadays working for women. I wonder how years of this could rewire a man's brain.

                [–]fromthecrypt8 20 points21 points  (3 children)

                That last paragraph paints an ugly picture. Speaking from experience, such an environment is definitely not good for a man. I can feel the estrogen build up by the day.

                [–]red_matrix 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                At least you recognize this, many don't and the longer it sets in the longer the subconscious impact will be.

                [–]fromthecrypt8 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                True, plus you can do things to counter it if you are aware of it happening.

                [–]Thinkingard 20 points21 points  (2 children)

                Its eugenics man... their history of slavery also meant they were selectively bred and not all got to reproduce or survive. Do pure African men ever strike you as dominant? Its always the post-slave blacks who kill it in sports and not the African countries.

                [–]plainposter 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                Yes, sort of disturbing for most people, but true nonetheless.

                [–]Andgelyo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                It is definitely a class thing. I grew up in metro NJ and close to NYC and most of my friends (regardless of race) had the IDGAF attitude. High school friends were in gangs, smoked weed, talked about hoes all day, etc. Shit it’s probably were I got my behavior from too. When I went to graduate school in Massachusetts it was like the upper class white men there had vaginas.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                Lower iq on average, also. Men with higher iq tend to be hyper intellectual, which often bars them from expressing their masculinity/true selves.

                [–]red_matrix 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                I'm not to sure about that. People in college back in the 60s and 70s weren't the wimps we see on campus today.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                That's because those in college nowadays aren't nearly as intelligent as those in the past. In the 60s/70s, those who went to college were top tier, intellectually. Today, every generic dope goes to college.

                [–]maplemaximus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                IQ tests only test a specific type of intelligence. People specialize in different forms of intelligence, we just happen to prefer a specific type in our society.

                As a black male, I've found my peers (mostly black) to be pretty competent in the criteria posed in an average IQ test. They on average aren't shit when it comes to being intellectual (which most people aren't), but higher IQ has little to do with masculinity. You're either a smart wuss or you're not.

                Men from the 60's and 70's were high IQ'd but weren't bitches because of how they were raised. Race realists discount environment greatly for the sake of confirmation bias. A black suburban kid with no access to the hard and confrontational life of his inner city counterparts is going to be a blue-pilled sissy.

                [–]majorketone 16 points17 points  (2 children)

                I have no scientific study to back this up but I feel as though there is a larger gap between attractive black men and unattractive ones. Like proportionally there are fewer very attractive black men than very attractive white men. Maybe something to do with a bell curve. Maybe I'm just projecting

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                  [–]FuckMichaelMcCoy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  I have seen some really good looking + dominant black men struggling to get a legit non-black HB8. Even some pro athletes end up with HB6-7s ironically. The ones I see with HB8's are usually light skin black girls (who are hot tbh) but rare to see them with a really sexy latina/white girl which are usually "trophy wifes"

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                      [–]StudntRdyTeachrApear 42 points43 points  (8 children)

                      Stupidity isn't alpha. I've fucked plenty of black chicks who were somehow even dumber than the most basic white whores I couldnt stand to have to talk to. Being witty, providing banter, or having the ability to add an intelligence multiplier to your physical prowess is not a meme. The meme is when beta nerds over compensate by marketing the only quality they think they have. Girls would 9.9/10 choose the better looking guy that can make her laugh because he's not stupid over the other guy who's a bit more physically masculine but dumb and boring.

                      [–]plainposter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      civility isn't alpha either

                      [–]abstractplebbit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                      Not to mention the least attractive

                      [–]Bear-With-Bit 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                      Asian women are hyper sexual, too. Don't let that coy shy conversative bullshit fool you. No one is forcing Japanese women to make all that porn, the Chinese chicks to give those handjobs at massage spas. Even if they are forced into that sort of work, good chance they actually enjoy it. If not, they can easily get an accounting job.

                      [–]Bostenboy 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                      Thailand literally sells sex to foreign tourists which is how they've become the wealthiest in the region from the tourist dollars. So yes, Asians are hypersexual and that's why it's funny when they try to say things about sexualization in the west.

                      [–]Utterberetacht 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                      Many Asian women are notoriously white-worshipping and self-hating, and will take every opportunity to throw their male counterparts under the bus. They have kids with white men hoping their kids will be white, but instead they almost always end up looking even more Asian than full-blooded Asians and becoming mentally unstable, e.g. Isla Vista shooter.

                      In many cases, Asian men are also their own worst enemies due to fobby tiger parents raising them to be neurotic subservient betas: over-focus on academic success, little exposure to athletics, no lifting, respect at gunpoint, etc. So my advice is to reclaim your masculinity, lift, learn+adopt game and if you have tiger parents, tell them to fuck off.

                      Those who aren’t the “typical Asian man” tend to slay well so yeah, being an Asian male doesn’t curse you to a life of celibacy.

                      [–]WestyWorld 43 points44 points  (25 children)

                      White females are the most loyal? That has not been my experience.

                      [–]Bruno-OS 67 points68 points  (5 children)

                      I think he means loyal to their race...whatever that means.

                      [–]SexlessNights 41 points42 points  (2 children)

                      They only date white dudes for the most part.

                      [–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 52 points53 points  (1 child)

                      When they get railed by a black dick they usually do it on the down low to protect their status.

                      [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                      Yeah not sure if there are any statistics out there, but if you look at trends in single motherhood, divorce rates, etc. it would be asians followed somewhat closely by white people, then mexicans and blacks at the very top end. Black people are huge outliers in all those statistics, having between 70-80% single parenting rates in developed countries compared to asians at about 15% and whites at about 28%.

                      So, realistically it's probably asian girls.

                      [–]Wel108 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                      I believe they are. For some reason white females only wanted hookups and a fun time, I'm hispanic. Whereas hispanic women, black etc will venture off and commit to men of a different culture.

                      [–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 15 points16 points  (2 children)


                      White females love the CC.

                      [–]pmmedenver 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                      I guess. All the CC riders ive met are miserable and depressed.

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                        [–]exotictantra 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        Looks like they have lumped Indians in this study with Asians.

                        Split them up and see who is most loyal group :)

                        for Indians it's an outlier to marry another Indian from a different group( language/religion/caste ) let alone a non-indian.

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                          [–]WestyWorld 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          I think by loyal, you mean loyal to their own race? If so, loyal isn’t the right word. Hoes and loyal don’t mix.

                          [–]trp_angry_dwarf 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                          I'm positive that white women require an "experience". So when on the carousel, their same-race percentage is low.

                          When they've "found themselves" and it's time to settle down with the beta bux, then they'll choose based on their background.

                          [–]Five_Decades 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                          It's not pc to say, but it's because of status.

                          [–]replepok 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          The most loyal when everything is going well, as soon as shit start going down they will be the first to go.

                          [–]jewishsupremacist88 15 points16 points  (9 children)

                          alittle secret about "white" women who are coal burners; they're mostly jewish. very few, on a statistical basis, upper middle class white women (meaning those of germanic descent) are race mixers.

                          [–]1TimmyTurnersNuts 10 points11 points  (8 children)

                          Coal burners? Lmao bro you got some issues

                          [–]jewishsupremacist88 2 points3 points  (7 children)

                          race traitors, race mixers, etc

                          [–]maplemaximus 2 points3 points  (6 children)

                          So people are supposed to be loyal to their race in regards to dating? Who the fuck are you to tell two people they can't be together?

                          [–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (1 child)

                          In other news, scientists have discovered that grass is green!

                          [–]UnskippableAd 21 points22 points  (0 children)

                          Pfft, they didn't add my lawn to the study then.

                          [–]Andgelyo 74 points75 points  (5 children)

                          TLDR: Be white, be muscular, wear a suit....yawn.

                          [–]ChinmayT2 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                          And if you are not white let it be. Don't use fairness creams. They don't work.

                          [–]plainposter 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                          why is everyone so obsessed with white people.. i'm white and my life has been mostly miserable because my parents and childhood were trash... all that matters is how your brain develops and how you interact with the environment.. it has nothing to do with your skin tone for fucks sake.. it's about how you use your brain to get ahead in life by any means necessary.. people who are saying skin colour matters are making excuses to not achieve things

                          [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 97 points98 points  (2 children)

                          From OP's quote:

                          show that as a culture we still celebrate masculinity in the
                          form of money and muscle

                          Oh, so women liking looks and resources is a cultural thing?

                          Thank goodness for that... for a second I thought we were going to blame female nature on female nature.

                          [–]Gawernator 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                          One day culture will transform to desiring homeless men... sike

                          [–]Psynaut 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                          Yes, we just need to parent girls differently and then 60 million years of evolution will instantly cease to have any effect on their instinctual desires.

                          [–][deleted] 76 points77 points  (1 child)

                          In other news, men prefer women with small waists, long legs, toned calves, firm ass and larger than average perky tits.

                          [–]AllahHatesFags 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                          Fine work by the No Shit, Sherlock Institute.

                          [–]IdolStud 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                          Survival and replication. These are groundbreaking findings!

                          [–]droid6 32 points33 points  (1 child)

                          What a stupid fucking study.

                          Of course woman want muscles, Money, power and good looks.

                          Just like most men want

                          Blonde, big tits, nice ass, does laundry and makes dinner.

                          Dumb ass shit.

                          [–]drkinferno72 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                          Women need muscles like life needs water

                          [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

                          Wow i always thought they liked stupid anti-social fat guys on welfare.

                          This is mindblowing.

                          [–]pmmedenver 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                          I know this is obvious to most of us around here but I like it because:

                          1. Its an actual scientific study. Most of the theory around here borders on bro science
                          2. Its important enough that it needs repeating often
                          3. If you ask women what they find attractive they simply won't give this answer. It is, for some reason, "counter intuitive" in many cultures.

                          [–]BrodinsOats 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          lol this was published to the journal, Feminist Media Studies. This isn't science.

                          [–]tuyguy 52 points53 points  (6 children)

                          This website is disgusting. I am absolutely horrified that something like this could be allowed.

                          First of all it is ILLEGAL to take photos of people without their permission. And then to go ahead and POST THESE PHOTOS AND RATE THEM! This is objectification and it is disgraceful. How can we judge ourselves as a species when this rubbish continues?!?!?!

                          Oh...it was men being photographed without permission? That's alright actually. Never mind nothing to see here.

                          [–]Flawless44 11 points12 points  (4 children)

                          It is absolutely not illegal to take pictures of people in public. You have no privacy there. It is also not illegal to post them.

                          EDIT In the U.S.

                          [–]tuyguy 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                          Maybe not but I think I made my point. If it were a site for rating women the owner and all users would be destroyed.

                          [–]Troll_Name 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          It's a civil matter. Criminal law isn't the only kind of law you can get burned by, as evidenced by pretty much anyone here who has been married or left for dead by someone else's divorce before. (Boss' wife cleans out the business accounts while her husband is drugged in a hospital bed.)

                          If you use someone else's likeness without their consent, then you had damn well better be well-versed in state law. Contrary to popular misconception, laws aren't exactly the same all over the world.

                          [–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                          "Study: ...Oh wait cancel the study this shit is obvious."

                          [–]nonouiswrong 46 points47 points  (2 children)

                          "B b but the media says dad-bod is sexy"

                          [–]JackGetsIt 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                          That whole thing was just a confirmation of how much women liked celebrities.

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                          [–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 44 points45 points  (4 children)

                          inner workings as to why these things are attractive

                          I may be misunderstanding your question, but the answer is so simple it hardly needs explaining.

                          tl,dr: Darwinism:

                          Muscular, wealthy, dominant men can contribute the best genes and the best provisioning to help raise attractive offspring. Dad's high social status helps that offspring succeed in life even more.

                          [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 46 points47 points  (3 children)

                          the answer is so simple it hardly needs explaining.

                          Evo psych is shunned hard in progressive circles. I've even met a girl finishing a PhD on birds biology tweets some stabs at evo psych. Let me write that again: a woman whose job is to know inside out how the biology and behavior of birds was shaped by evolution through natural selection would not consider for one second that same phenomenon to explain why human males of all ages are naturally sexually attracted to young and beautiful females. Nope. Gotta be patriarchy. Such is the power of ideas.

                          [–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 22 points23 points  (0 children)

                          Their argument is basically that humans are now more influenced by culture and ideas than by biology because we're so advanced.

                          It is true to some extent that culture and ideas greatly accelerate evolution, but that does not mean they invalidate the biological underpinnings.

                          Culture is a young and thin veneer on the human animal. Strip us of crude oil, electricity and fertilizers and we're back to cavemen priorities in the current year (big strong Gronk gets all the women because he enables survival)

                          Besides, culture and ideas themselves stem from DNA if you look deep enough.

                          Attraction is still non-negotiable; women are still attracted to men who would have done well in caveman times, and men are still attracted to women who look like they might bear healthy children (big tits, wide hips, healthy skin and hair)

                          [–]Gawernator 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                          Ha. She's probably intelligent too, but such is the power of brainwashing.

                          [–]2Overkillengine 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                          Many make the mistake of assuming that intelligence and education automatically counteracts ego protection and post-hoc rationalization.

                          Nope. Just gives a person more (powerful) tools with which to do so.

                          [–]foggydew42 15 points16 points  (4 children)

                          This study provides no insights beyond the fact that women find attractive men attractive. Only those who are deeply blue-pilled would be surprised by this.

                          Another frequent theme in popular images was displays of wealth, whether it was through jewelry, fancy attire, or expensive technology.

                          Women aren't so much attracted to money as they are to displays of wealth such as fancy watches or jewelry that convey dominance.

                          [–]AllahHatesFags 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                          I bet if the guy was surrounded by fat stack of cash or gold bars the women would find him attractive.

                          [–]Troll_Name 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                          Women seek resources. That doesn't mean they love the man who has them.

                          [–]gatsmd 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                          Everyone here needs to STOP thinking about the WHY and START thinking about the HOW.

                          The why, even in regards to science and technology, has driven men mad for centuries. The how tells us how we can do what works, from what we observe. Really, it's all that matters.

                          You want X, do Y to get it. Who cares why it takes Y to get X?

                          [–]winner_lahmacun 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          By constructing a strong base for our motivations, it is easier for us to universalize what is obvious. Because nowadays people easily turn a blind eye to things that are way too fucking obvious. It is easier to take advantage of science while arguing, since it is the most universal shit we have as humankind. That's why I think WHY is important.

                          [–]grass_cutter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                          That would be as useful as arguing amongst males why they like the shit they do, from crazy anime porn to some slut getting gangbanged by the football team to whatever.

                          No one exactly 'knows' why they have a certain type. They just do. Why do they like McDonald's Big Mac hamburgers and fries? Who the fuck knows why, they just do!

                          Of course the real reason is evolutionary biology of course. Through millenia it's honed instincts to attempt to make you mate with a worthwhile partner. Of course, many of the sexual attraction markers can be flawed in terms of actual healthy/ mating fitness, but ... it's was caused one's dick to rise.

                          In this case, women being attracted to wealth and power and strength and dominance? Color me fucking shocked.

                          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                          One major disservice that holywood is perpetuating is that a "Normal" dude can look like a super hero. I've seen numerous trainers and competitive lifters say "There's no way to look like them with out steroids". The super hero look is basically the 9" dick. Its used as the "baseline" of what they deserve. Its frustrating to be the strongest person I know and still not be close to looking like Hugh jackman (wolverine) or dwayne johnson (the rock) or dreamface hemsworth (thor).

                          [–]EvilBananaManRD 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                          Look up Fabian Buchert and others in his category (natural bodybuilding, no steroids). He's big but nowhere as big as some of those "superheroes", even though he was World Champion a couple years ago. Quite literally all professional athletes and many actors and models do roids on a weekly basis. Natural bodies don't get near that big no matter what.

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                          [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (2 children)

                          Implying that women's reason can overcome their instincts

                          [–]dyel24 17 points18 points  (0 children)

                          Implying that women understand their own behavior and that they understand women better than men

                          [–]destinationtomorrow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          whoda thunk it? whoda ever ever thunk it? money well spent on that study. next up... is water wet?

                          [–]crdr88 7 points8 points  (7 children)

                          I'm all of the above and this is not exactly true. I get passed over for normal guys all the time. I would double down and say, that from experience, I have tried to teach guys how to be wealthy, ripped and dominant for 10 years now. I get met with 110% pure skepticism. Wealth, Dominance, and Muscle is not a silver bullet. There are plenty of these dudes who are complete 100% assholes who are unbearable to be around. If you really take of the goggles. Normal guys get laid everywhere you go... Water seeks its own level. No two ways about it.

                          [–]FuckMichaelMcCoy 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                          You somehow managed to write something that made 110% no sense at all.

                          [–]360_no_scope_upvote 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                          Obviously your mentality and game needs work. Women know when your full of shit and forcing confidence

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                          [–]Troll_Name 21 points22 points  (1 child)

                          The fool bemoans reality.

                          The master exploits it.

                          [–]madcow13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Gotta love gold diggers. They keep men hustling. I guarantee that the majority of wealthy men did it over a woman.

                          [–]Dirtbuggy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          'I'm really attracted to weak poor men' said no women ever..

                          [–]nrafield 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          London? But I've read tons of articles how literally all the women in Europe are jumping into the strong, powerful hands of the strong super alpha middle eastern immigrants and leaving their cuck white beta bux betas behind!

                          [–]Stumpdrumpf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                          This is a study about a website called TubeCrush...

                          Not very representative and scientific to be called a scientific study.

                          [–]bob13bob 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                          so much ignorance in this thread. The average educational level of the posters here are even lower than I thought. Correlation vs causation. This is a correlation data picked from non methodological means.

                          If we had better that controlled for ethnicity, I would bet rich career focused > color of skin. The rich have set the smv and fashion setters for a long team. Even the names we were given follow a correlation of what rich people name their children.

                          The median white is way less successful than the median Indian or Asian in California. It's not because some skin color is better, it's because the selection criteria for international immigrating is much more stringent than being born here. Also, there is data that woman choose men who are genetically different.

                          it's mentally lazy, easy, and weak to just assume you're born better than your competition. I thought we emphasized strength and hard truths in here.

                          [–]1TimmyTurnersNuts 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                          TRP is great. Great content but every now and again you'll have your storm front fuckers show their colors(ironically). Don't have even bother arguing with them. Let them think "derp I'm superior cause I'm white! Derp!" It's not worth it.

                          [–]michael_wilkins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          where users upload photos of male London Underground passengers, to evaluate the male archetypes straight women and gay men found most attractive.

                          If that were reversed London would grind to a halt decrying this.

                          [–]petechamp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Just had a look at the site... most posts seem to be submitted by gay men...

                          [–]kam516 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          "In other news, water is wet"

                          [–]1WeedDaddy 8 points9 points  (3 children)


                          If you do an image search, most "blokes" on that site are DYEL tier: http://tubecrush.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/IMG_5945.jpg

                          To be fair, there was one guy who'd get the TRP stamp of approval http://tubecrush.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Tubecrush.jpg

                          Brits don't seem to skip the leg day, rather all the rest:

                          Oh dear, they seriously need to have a national discussion about manspreading.

                          [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

                          Lol they aren’t dyel tier at all. Keep coping with your dirty bulks

                          [–]pmmedenver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Let me know when you can fly with the wings under your arms. Until then, DYEL bro?

                          [–]Casanova-Quinn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Obvious results. You'll find the same thing on Reddit. Just look at the ladyboners subreddit. Most of the highly upvoted men are in-shape celebrities with facial hair.

                          [–]Despacit0 3 points4 points  (7 children)

                          It's not the muscles, not the dominant alpha type shit, it's ALWAYS money that wins. Show me a girl who doesn't like money and I will show you a unicorn with a cat riding it.

                          You can be the ugliest guy in the world, but you got money. You good nigga.

                          [–]FuckMichaelMcCoy 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                          Pathetic hamster. I have a high physical SMV and am not rich, can literally walk around Venice Beach shirtless and rack up dozens of IOI's from quality chicks.

                          I would be wearing nothing but board shorts and literally nothing else, just let my abs bring em in. (srs)

                          Meanwhile walk past preppy looking dudes who arent getting any female attention at all. Because they are vanilla ass cookie cutters who look just like every other guy trying to look wealthy.

                          [–]Despacit0 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                          bruh, show me a girl that will choose your abs over a 20 digit bank account and I will show you a flying pig.

                          EDIT: Even Bill Gates who's basically 200 years old will be choosen over your "abs and hot body" because of his money. You ain't got shit, money wins.

                          [–]I_Am_the_Spear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          In other news: water is wet, the sun is bright and what goes up must come down.

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