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LTRFriend goes on a large group trip overseas, watches as 90% of the girls cheat on their boyfriends (self.TheRedPill)

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I don't think there is any doubt left among us that if your SO decides to travel without you for an extended period of time that she should be plated or nexted. However, for those left that are still skeptical of this concept, or thinks what I'm saying is overly paranoid, please read carefully as I describe one of my good friends' recent Red Pill awakening.

For context: My friend Tom is a good looking, highly intelligent guy in graduate school studying geology.

Tom decided to sign up for a 5-week geology field course in Scotland this summer. The group of students in the field course comprised of about 20 guys and 17 girls. 10 out of the 17 girls had boyfriends.

After a long day of hiking and studying, the group would sleep in hostels or set up camp in the countryside, drinking and laughing around a game of cards or a campfire. On occasion, they'd even travel into Scotland's bigger cities for a night or two and enjoy the nightlife. It was really the time of his life, being able to travel in a foreign country while studying something he loved with people that shared a primary interest of his, drinking with them until the sun came up. But his time spent in Scotland was educational in more than just an academic way.

Tom is no idiot when it comes to girls but he vastly underestimated what alcohol+fun+isolation can do in combination when it comes to "unavailable" women. By week 3 of his trip, one-by-one, 9 out of the 10 girls with boyfriends had cheated.

The girl Tom hooked up with had a boyfriend of five years waiting for her back home. She proceeded to follow Tom around like a puppy for the remaining weeks, mate guarding and trying to convince him to be in a long-distance relationship with her when they returned to the states. Obviously, this was all done in an attempt to rationalize the fact that she just cheated on her boyfriend of five years. She wanted to be able to justify her actions, tell herself that she had met someone more special, that it was fate they had met halfway across the world and fell for each other. But alas, Tom did what every other guy on the trip did: pump and dump.

All those girls will go home to their boyfriends, bellies and vagina's filled with other men's cum, and lie to their faces about how mellow the trip was, explaining how much they missed them as they plant a kiss on their boyfriend's mouth with the same lips that were wrapped around a different dick just days before.

As horrible of a story as this is, I'm happy Tom was able to see this kind of thing for himself and be on the good side of things as "the other man". While he did walk away with some serious trust issues, hopefully, it will prevent him from being cucked in the future. This was a really harsh reminder that I know I needed as well.

TLDR; Friend goes on a 5-week trip overseas with a group of guys and 17 girls. 10 out of the 17 girls had boyfriends. 9/10 of the "unavailable" girls cheated on their boyfriends within 3 weeks. AWALT. If your SO wants to travel without you, let her. Then ghost.


[–]smallpenisweirdchode 382 points383 points  (95 children)

I work as a tour guide overseas. My tours range from 1-2 months, and I see this on an endless loop.

Every single tour I've run has had at least one girl cheat on her boyfriend. It's a statistical guarantee by this point.

The thing is, I have to add them all on social media for communication purposes, so I can see their boyfriends posting the classic "I love you, can't wait to see you in 2 weeks, babe!" on their Facebook walls. Those girls have straight up denied that they had any guy back home after taking home their third one-night stand of the week.

[–][deleted] 249 points250 points  (58 children)

after taking home their third one-night stand of the week.

I read this and I'm realizing how much sex the average girl can have if she wants to. It is virtually limitless for them. This is why, when dudes that get burned and improve their SMV and start slaying, they don't stop. It is simply their turn to experience sex as frequent as their counterparts.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 148 points149 points  (48 children)

You don't understand the way women approach sex. To women sex is a sum of it's larger parts. It's the story around it. That's why women love sex novels and don't love porn. To women tons of sex is meaningless (watch what they do not what the say) when it comes with constant dumping.

Women need that commitment and human connection. And they try for it with every single guy. In comparison, guy could probably get friendzoned by any girl out there but to us it's moot without the sex. You have to view these stories from a female point of view and not from your own.

To most average women every sexual encounter ends with quick or slow ghosting. No one sticks around, they are horrible at making friends. If they are slutting it up it usually means their families aren't that great either. A woman like this is mostly all alone. She might have allot of sex and meet allot of people but they all come and go. For guys it's different. We enjoy constant friendships throughout our lives exactly because we are the cheaper sex.

[–]Dynamaxion 16 points17 points  (7 children)

While what you say is obviously true by and large, there are some straight up horn dog women who fuck and chuck like alpha males. There are also, as many on this sub once were, feminine beta males who think of sex the womanly way.

For those women who treat sex like men and enjoy the one night stand... They're living it up. I've known one before, and if they're hot they can get literally whatever they want whenever they want. Orgy, celebrities, doesn't matter. Similar to how the super emotionally tuned, caring guy can usually get any girl into an LTR if they're hot.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 20 points21 points  (6 children)

there are some straight up horn dog women who fuck and chuck like alpha males.

First of all these aren't really women. They are as much a woman as a romantic emotional guy is a man. These women have physicall, hormonal and often mental difficiances that make them that way. The only reason why a woman would ever chuck a Chad is because she's trying to preemptively avoid further rejection. It's the biggest red flag ever. If a woman proudly proclaims she's a heartbreaker and dumps guys after ONS it means she's been so badly hurt that all she can do now is repeat her cycle of trauma and hurt others. It's the number one trait of B-type people and they should be put in the ground.

There are also, as many on this sub once were, feminine beta males who think of sex the womanly way.

Exactly you said it yourself. Those aren't really men and those women aren't really women. They are lost and degenerate and the more society is infested with them the worse things will be. Imagine these people having children.

Orgy, celebrities, doesn't matter. Similar to how the super emotionally tuned, caring guy can usually get any girl into an LTR if they're hot.

I think it's more about these women having deeply seethed issues. That or they were born with a masculine mindset and never wanted the romance. Just like some beta guys never want a hot fuck.

A healthy guy always wants the best fuckdoll he can have and have her the way he wants to. A healthy woman always wants the best mate that she can attract. Healthy women and healthy men create a symbiose where a healthy relationship is born. When a man isn't taking the sex and a woman isn't taking the commitment all you get is fucked up shit like orgies and cuck couples.

[–]anusbleach11111 36 points37 points  (17 children)

To women sex is a sum of its larger part. It's the story around it. That's why women love sex novels and don't love porn.

Valuable lesson here. This girl I was seeing didn't put out cause she kept saying "I want our first time to be special." This was after we hung out many times, only reason I didn't drop her by then was cause she was willing to blow me but was more reluctant with sex. I kept trying to escalate in my car and other public places. Perhaps she wanted a fancy hotel room? Idk I dropped her.

Another time I took a girl out on a date and went for a kiss, and she said the same thing, "I want our first kiss to be special." That rubbed me the wrong way so the next day I told her it's not gonna work out. I'm just looking for pure raw sex man..

[–]1PantsonFire1234 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Perhaps she wanted a fancy hotel room? Idk I dropped her.

That's the enigma. It's not something tangible like a fancy hotel room or candle lit dinner. It's the entire story that revolves around them. Women approach things from a sophilistic angle and put themselves in the center of the universe. That's why women say "it just has to feel right'. The guy has to be right, the moment has to be right and the story has to be right. Now every women deviates to a degree. Virgins are very picky and a town whore is pretty much almost a guy when it comes to sex.

"I want our first kiss to be special." That rubbed me the wrong way so the next day I told her it's not gonna work out. I'm just looking for pure raw sex man..

Honestly can mean two things. Either you are talking to a prude (low chance) or the girls are trying to BB you and string you along. It's up to you to pass those shit tests and prove you are AF. When they say special though they don't mean lots of effort, candle lit dinner etc. They just want you to be exciting, different. Making them feel as if they have a special guy. Making them feel special.

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    [–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    The story becomes dull.

    You said it man. Perfect summary of what I tried to explain. Women want to feel swept up. Like they are the exciting lead in a movie. LTR's often end up in routine and routine is the death of excitement.

    [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 19 points20 points  (3 children)

    Sex is easy for a woman to get. As long as she isn't completely repulsive (even if she's ugly), there's some guy out there who will fuck her. She just needs to make herself available.

    The fatal error that women make is in assuming that a high partner count equates to high value. That's true for men, but not for themselves.

    [–]d3g4d0 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    This is one of the most spot on things I have read in this sub in months.

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      [–]1PantsonFire1234 33 points34 points  (2 children)

      So do you think that it's just that all women cheat in that scenario or that the women who would cheat in that scenario go on solo vacations?

      I think that having a girl say she wants to travel alone is just girl speak for "I'm bored with you and I want to have fun without you" distilled to it's very essence.

      [–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      1. AWALT
      2. Selection Bias

      My answer is both...

      [–]1PantsonFire1234 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      Probably. Girls who are heads over heels on some guy would very likely not want to be away from him. If they do want to be away from him they aren't crazy for the guy. Hence why they cheat.

      [–]awaken471 125 points126 points  (3 children)

      jesus christ, thank god I have better goals than women nowadays

      [–]afkb39sdfb 56 points57 points  (1 child)

      Same. Far more enriching and fulfilling things out there. Just fuck and chuck when you feel the need to.

      [–]saargrin 12 points13 points  (11 children)

      Your job sounds interesting.. How did you get into it?

      [–]smallpenisweirdchode 27 points28 points  (7 children)

      1. I had experience traveling.

      2. Due in no small part to the resources provided by this community, I've built up my charisma and social skills.

      3. I went on a tour with one of the big guns in the company as my tour guide. Total luck.

      All three factors played their part, but luck was huge. There was one spot that was made available just as my tour ended, and I had just happened to mention my interest in the job at the same time.

      It's a field where there's a lot of competition. I have at least 1-2 people ask me to get them a job per tour, and countless people that apply from home.

      We're a small enough company that we only hire people that have been on tour with us. We can't tell from some PDF resume if they're good with people, or whether they can handle going out without losing control. There are too many intangibles that can't be written down.

      For the most part, girls don't tend to do well in the tour guide position. If you've been following this sub for awhile, you can probably guess why.

      [–]imn0tg00d 19 points20 points  (0 children)

      I have a similar job to yours, and i work in a tourist city. It really is open season. Girls are never going to see any of these people again, so they're extremely forward with me. It's insane how easy it is.

      [–]thetotalpackage7 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      are you porking a lot of the "ladies" on the tour or is that verboten?

      [–]saargrin 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      awesome

      what kind of tours do you guys do?

      1-2 months sounds like a trekking adventure ...

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        [–]TheReformist94 12 points13 points  (6 children)

        I literally don't understand why TRP is against men in LTRs cheating. The stats are literally here.they don't give a fuck. Purely from an investment/economic standpoint,or protecting your emotional wellbeing,its nuts not to cheat to cushion the blow.

        And no,I'm not talking about about spinning plates, because men have a need for LTR/stability as well.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 24 points25 points  (2 children)

        Why cheat in an LTR if you can just spin plates and be open about it. I don't moralize so nothing against it but the alternative seems easier to me. I also get the position that your word is valuable and you should maintain that value.

        [–]ChanceTheEMT 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        I agree...and 10 times out 10 in a LTR a women can, and probably will cheat. I've been left holding the bag as the loyal partner just to be crushed and resentful as hell, I definitely understand the "cushion the blow" part. I am very adament if I had a FWB or a side chick I wouldn't have fallen into deep, dark, life threatening, jail time earning behavior. Falling in love to one woman can be a death sentence on her whim. NEVER AGAIN

        [–]whuttupfoo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Because you’re adding unneccesary drama to your life that way. Not only that, but you increase your anxiety by trying to cover it up and hide all the time. Be open with your LTR about banging other girls from get go, you will be surprised at how compliant they’d be with that.

        Moral of the story is, don’t lie, own that shit and bang other women because you’re free to live life the way you want to. Don’t hide like a bitch. It’s not cheating if she agrees to it.

        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Anyone who thinks the average girl has had less than 15 cocks in her by the time she is 22 is either ignorant or horribly deluded. Only ugly and fat girls have low counts like that, attractive girls get pumped and dumped more times than 15 in a year. But what do I know? I'm just an old guy who had been all over the world and is extremely observant.

        [–]Dragon_Garoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Create a fake account, message them. lol

        [–]WholeFoodsMale 130 points131 points  (38 children)

        Damn, it's so true. I studied abroad in the Czech Republic a few years back and just about half the girls in my program had boyfriends back in the states. Student hostels might as well be student brothels. Preppy girls from the east coast looking to get drunk and study (strange dick) for a semester. I feel bad for their cuckboys at home who think their girlfriends are drinking cappuccinos and appreciating the architecture.

        [–]Luckylancer96 59 points60 points  (34 children)

        Maybe boys fuck sluts back at home too.

        [–]Psychocist 110 points111 points  (32 children)

        Yep. We should really stop perpetuating this BS that men can do no wrong and are 100% honourable. If they had hotties staring them down all day, best believe they are seizing some of those opportunities regardless of their relationship status.

        [–]1htbf 69 points70 points  (2 children)

        Yep. We should really stop perpetuating this BS that men can do no wrong and are 100% honourable.

        A man is as faithful as his options.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 23 points24 points  (10 children)

        It's not even remotely the same. The same would be if when the girl is cheating on her boyfriend abroad. The boyfriend starts a second relationship with another girl. That's what it would be like to them. They give sex, we give commitment.

        A guy fucking another girl next to his girlfriend is like a guys girlfriend friendzoning some dude and having him pay for icecream while the boyfriend is busy. You don't give a shit so long as you are confident she won't fall for him.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Most don't realize sex is different for men and women. Each sex has different needs/wants and views the act of giving sex differently. Good luck trying to explain this to most here though. For 90% here sex is sex.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 30 points31 points  (0 children)

        Well guys instinctively know how bad it is when a woman cheats on them. That's why you see guys calling out the slut. Sharing truths etc. We might want to fuck sluts but we are repulsed about being emotional with them. This is easily avoidable when you are plating one. But when your girlfriends turns out to be one you feel cheated. Guys project this disgust on women and figure women feel the same when they cheat on a girl. But it's not.

        You can even flip this around and see how women are disgusted sexually when they shit test a guy into betaness. So when they like a guy they actually try to not come across as beta instead of being submissive. Lots of girls that liked me and I knew wanted me stubbornly kept their distance after a fight because they were afraid i'd be disgusted by their needyness. Again, people project.

        Another great example is how sometimes girls try to make a guy jealous with another guy as a last resort. They actually end up fucking the other guy and figure this will somehow spark their targets interest. Because they project and know that if the guy would fuck another girl, they'd want him even more. But they don't realize that in the eyes of a guy it doesn't work like that. Having your girl fuck another dude is like having a glass fall on the floor and break. You can glue it together but it will forever show you it's cracks. And yet again, women don't understand this because they project their own attractions onto guys. They don't realize it will disqualify them for life.

        [–]Dragon_Garoo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        There was a great field report a while back, where a guy did exactly that - found a new partner. She came back from the long trip, and blew a gasket. "It was a mistake" "I didn't do anything" etc., etc., after saying she wanted to be free and have fun. He knew what was happening and just moved on. He held frame and just 'meh'. Men and women are different, to be sure.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Nothing will kill them more than you getting on with another girl. You fucking another girl, not so much. But the reason why guys are confused with this is because most girls are so insecure that the very thought of you fucking another girl romantically threatens their source of commitment.

        But you will notice once she forgives you and acts like nothing happened, maybe she'll be distrustfull but she will like you as much if not more. But for men it's the opposite. Girl does that to a guy and he might be blue as balls. He will resent her forever. Can't reprogram the anti-cuck-defense.

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          [–]Psychocist 8 points9 points  (14 children)

          That's a horny man doing what he was born to do and spreading his seed.

          To be fair, it was an extremity to make a point. The only reason men are loyal/monogamous is because of their lack of abundance or abundance mindset. As another comment mentioned on this page, look at what happens when we finally get to a place of abundance.

          you need to work on your impulse control

          That doesn't really matter, point still stands. We could say women need to work on their impulse control. Doesn't change the reality.

          Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. What is the problem with open polygamy, especially in a time of safe sex and birth control?

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            [–]Dynamaxion 5 points6 points  (3 children)

            look at what happens when we finally get to a place of abundance.

            I mean, I definitely don't run around fucking everything I can. I have better shit to do and worry about. I was only a man-whore temporarily for the ego boost as a way of making up for all the years as a loser. Nowadays I just try to be more social, get to know people, and enough sex comes along anyway naturally because you come off as genuine and fun. Sure I could get laid 10x more actively seeking it but it doesn't appeal as much because my ego doesn't ride on it anymore.

            [–]Psychocist 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            I think that's what has started to happen to me over the last couple of years, thankfully. The [over]exposure to pussy helps greatly in taking it (and sex) off the pedestal. That's allowed me to relax significantly about this whole thing and actually start having fun and focus on stuff that actually matters - mission, lifestyle, health.

            But my point was about loyalty/monogamy. Can you see yourself, in your position of abundance, first, even being in an LTR, but then staying in a LTR and only having sex with one woman for the rest of your life? If not, the only alternative is multiple partners. My argument is that the way men go about that is just as deceptive (and lacking honour) as the way women go about it.

            Hence, men are not infallible as some of these comments keep spreading.

            [–]Dynamaxion 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Can you see yourself, in your position of abundance, only having sex with one woman for the rest of your life?

            The only reason would be if I got super lazy or became so much of a workaholic that I just straight up didn't have time/energy to game anymore, so you settle for one so that you can keep fucking and have a companion with less daily seduction effort. Although in the workaholic scenario I'd theoretically have enough $ to just plate sugar babies.

            My ideal situation is to have an LTR where we screw other people/couples together (key point) on occasion or even enter a quad relationship with another couple. But I know that's not typical for the guys on this sub.

            [–]2dogsandpizza 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Maybe, but we all know the chances of that happening don't we.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            It should be noted that whenever women chose to get away from their boyfriends for a prolonged period of time. That usually means they want to get on with new dick.

            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            cuckboys at home who think their girlfriends are drinking cappuccinos and appreciating the architecture

            LMAO...it's delusional to think so.

            [–]0signal0 110 points111 points  (17 children)

            I remember times where I used to envy the guys who had very pretty girlfriends, but for some reason all of these girls enjoyed going on vacation without their boyfriends and would take their female friends with them instead.

            I am glad I know better, though I can't deny that the reality has rendered me bitter.

            [–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (8 children)

            Bluepill conditioning really is cruel. Cheating is one thing, but being conditioned to trust these hypergamous cunts unconditionally crosses the fucking line.

            [–]Psychocist 99 points100 points  (6 children)

            hypergamous cunts

            Careful. Channel that anger towards yourself, not them. Use it to improve yourself. You're still allowing their actions to affect your mood.

            [–]Pragmaticpandas 37 points38 points  (3 children)

            It's really been good to see more comments like this on TRP lately. Anger is a poisonous emotion when directed towards women in this context.

            I've done much better for myself by simply not caring. Once you've decided to not be BB for the rest of your life, you're not looking for women to behave well, and so you won't get angry when they whore around. Actually, this hypergamy tends to work in your favor.

            [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

            This is EXACTLY why it's time for me (and probably others, who have internalized trp) to take a break from trp. The law of diminishing returns applies massively in this case. Sure, I've improved many areas of my life, but my emotional intelligence with women has taken a hit, if only due to the constant reminder of hypergamy/slut behaviour always keeping me on guard around them.

            [–]Dynamaxion 16 points17 points  (1 child)

            Fuck yes. I think this sub is good for incel guys just getting off the ground. But once you have the skills required to reliably seduce women you target it's good to get this shit out of your head and just be who you want to be.

            This sub constantly tells men how they have to behave. You have to be possessive and uncaring and (figuratively speaking) slap your bitch around if she screws other guys. As someone who prefers open relationships but not one night stands, I really couldn't give a shit. To this sub I'm a cuck, but for me there's nothing more beta than giving up what you want and who you are to conform to the culture of some subreddit. To me, being bitter/angry/possessive towards women is often a sign you're getting revenge and are still butthurt about all the years Chad was swimming in it while you were dry.

            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            "To me nothing is more beta than giving up what you want or changing who you are to fit into a culture."

            This.

            It wasn't until I read 'The subtle art of not giving a fuck' and 'Models' by mark Manson that this truly sunk in for me. The pinnacle of alpha is allowing your true self to influence your principles, then let your principles govern your actions. Any copycat mentality really is the essence of beta and slavery alike. Trp is not separate from this in any sense.

            As long as you arm yourself with knowledge and don't hamster any of it away, any actions you take or perspectives you hold, are yours. All you have to do is accept the responsibility of outcome.

            [–]biggerbetterjobs 13 points14 points  (0 children)

            I am glad I know better, though I can't deny that the reality has rendered me bitter.

            The bitterness fades with time and you begin to tolerate female behavior the way one tolerates a storm ravaging their personal property. It merely becomes a matter-of-fact expectation and you do your best to insure damage is kept to a minimum based on previous experiences.

            No matter how shitty or good the chick is; 99.9% of the romantic relationships you build will be temporary. Most women are emotionally more fragile than men so they're more likely to branch swing to satiate their need for human companionship and possibly resources depending on the girl's personality.

            So man is now awakened to female human's animal nature. What does man do? Sit, sulk, and lament over this harsh reality? Or does man solve this problem for himself? Boys do the former until they attain self-discovery and progress toward becoming a man. At which point, they take the latter approach.

            A boy becomes a man and says "to hell with what others think about me or have to say" and does what's best for himself and what makes him happy. Man lifts, seeks out education to cultivate his mind and problem solving abilities, learns to become self-sufficient etc..

            The outcome is simply a man that women do not want to leave. He is a patriarch. He is physically fit/toned, has amassed a reputation of accomplishing valiant deeds and achievements, has a far superior intellect, and is a voice of reason, leadership and rational judgement. Things which woman desires for her own good.

            Think of the classic epoch The Odyssey. Odysseus is the poster man of the quintessential Western culture alpha male. Wise, a strong warrior, the head of a house, was lost at sea after fighting battles tooth and nail with his comrades and losing them all to merciless death... And he still returned home. And his wife Penelope stayed chaste for him since no suitors could outdo Odysseus in any accomplishment. Upon his return to Ithaca, him and his son Telemachus slay all of the suitors with their superior fighting abilities. Homer even makes remarks about Penelope feeling lust seeing Odysseus' body covered in blood after slaying the rogue suitors who occupied his house during his absence from Ithaca.

            But the important part of this is.. The only reason Penelope did not remarry is because none of the suitors could prove superior to Odysseus. At the end of the day, he remains the king of the mountain and keeps the girl.

            So if you're with a girl, you must be her alpha male to retain her chastity. She has to see you as superior where she is blessed with your leadership and companionship, not you being blessed by having a piece of arm candy. You're an alpha male you can have any arm candy you want.

            Surely one will never be a pinnacle alpha in every avenue imaginable, but one can maintain a certain status in a girl's eyes. Your girl isn't going to be regularly approached by guys on the tier of Dwayne Johnson or Ryan Gossling, but surely you can maintain a lifestyle where you're above the average (even those above average) drunk horny 20 something trying to pick up chicks at a bar.

            Play with fire get burnt. Date a hot chick and have respect for the complications that will come with dating a hot chick. Always submit to the omnipotent power of the natural world and accept it for what it is and you will be granted the wisdom to navigate it.

            I highly suggest reading The Iliad and The Odyssey. It's chock full of red pill truths and timeless wisdom.

            [–]spinalmemes 2 points3 points  (6 children)

            My girlfriend tried to go on this vacation with her slutty ass friend last month. "Oh we are just going to Denver for a week cuz i havent seen her in so long". Bullshit. I told her if she decides to go the relationship is fucking done and im not ok with bullshit like that. She didnt go.

            [–]Wissenschaft85 126 points127 points  (81 children)

            Who was that one girl who didn't cheat? Give her an award. lol

            [–][deleted] 198 points199 points  (75 children)

            I'd hold off until after her next trip.

            [–]jackandjill22 38 points39 points  (74 children)

            This is weird because I'm in an opposite scenario where a girl & I aren't exclusive but she wants to travel with me. We're sharing a room. I don't understand though. She doesn't even hint that she wants things to be "locked down" but she does "attach herself" to me.

            What does this mean?

            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 186 points187 points  (55 children)

            You're a plate. Enjoy your turn.

            [–]jackandjill22 18 points19 points  (49 children)

            • I need more details than this.

            We both model(met her on a bikini shoot). She's been latching onto me because of my influence. For all indications, she respects & admires me. When she does wrong she expects me to get mad, & makes it up. She doesn't go a day without texting me & when we first met(2 weeks ago) girl was blowing up my phone. Responds to KINO, no rejections. She escalates.

            • But she still keeps me at arms length. That's the part that doesn't make any sense to me. She treats me like she wants an LTR. But doesn't commit.

            Like she on Sunday I was invited to a lingerie party after a shoot. She was literally blowing my phone upset she couldn't come as my guest with me. But then other days, 1 word texts. Like WTF.

            My SMV is significantly higher than hers. So, there's that.

            [–]AwakenedSovereign 82 points83 points  (24 children)

            Bet your ego likes little miss priss riding your dick, eh?

            But she's getting something out of it too. This is all transactional (always is too). And that's ok, bro. Just realize:

            She treats me like she wants an LTR.

            She treats you like this because she is reading that as what you want. She is in 'act like the girl he wants' mode. Good place to have a girl, but keep your fucking head and don't take her seriously. Ever. Make sure you kick her dog next Tuesday and randomly ignore most of her daily texting bullshit.

            Oh and spin more plates

            [–]Urishima 19 points20 points  (4 children)

            Make sure you kick her dog next Tuesday

            Oi, the pup did nothing wrong. Ok, maybe he shat in your shoes, but that is unrelated.

            [–]jackandjill22 6 points7 points  (3 children)

            She has a little brother. I'll screw with him.

            [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (2 children)

            Even better, screw him. Then screw her mom and dad. Show her her whole family is just a cheap set of plates from IKEA you don't care about dropping. Then kick the dog.

            [–]jackandjill22 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            This is why I love this forum/community. 😂👌

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            One day she's writing crazy full length texts and the next day she's sending 1 word replies? Doesn't sound like a girl that's just playing and acting. All of this sounds as if she's trying to manipulate him into something. Which implies there's something she wants from him.

            [–]jackandjill22 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            I have more plates. She knows it. Girls toss themselves my way, she's fully aware of this.

            Okay. I'll stay sober. Hold frame.

            Thank you.

            [–]Mr-Ed209 26 points27 points  (11 children)

            If you want her as a LTR you just have to be patient and remain non needy. The fact that she was blowing up your phone while you attended a lingerie party shows she's nervous that you might switch her for a better woman.

            Every time you feel like you're doing something 'correctly/BP' (offering commitment, giving her your time) she backs away. It's in a girls nature to do this..

            Women aren't us. They look for different things in a mate. Where we as men like women who are young, loyal/obedient and offer affection (qualities of a good mother). Women want men who value their 'purpose' job, resources and social status above them (qualities of a good provider/father).

            If you can approach things in that manner it will make sense. 2 weeks is way too soon to be entering a LTR. You barely know each other. Chill out, carry on going about your priorities. In 2 months she will start giving you the 'sooo like what are we...?'

            [–]jackandjill22 5 points6 points  (10 children)

            Yea, you're right she's Love-bombing though. She's literally just dropped "I love you" tonight.

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              [–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              It's all one big manipulation ploy in the eyes of the BPD and NPD. Lovebombing etc. All done to appease the male ego. Their goal usually is comfort, attention and validation. But they also can't be alone, they need a man more than normal girls do. Either way, he's being manipulated. That's what the withdrawals off attention are for.

              I have two very good examples of this with two different girls in two different time periods. The first girl I was very young and somewhat inexperienced, normal SMV. She withdrew attention in order to get me hooked back in. In all probability she tried to get with another guy one last time, he dumped her and she came back to me. Scared I would leave her to she started to play push/pull and everything became a game. When we inevitably broke it off she also withdrew attention but this time it was done to get rid of me. It had no other goal but to be as nasty and vile towards me so that we would get into a fight and break it off.

              Equally the other girl I met many years later. My SMV was very high and I had enough experience. This girl tried all the techniques but none worked. Everything was done in an attempt to get me hooked. Shit tests, attention, sex, hot pictures, compliments and inevitably triangulation. But all of it was done in an attempt to keep me around. She never wanted me gone.

              [–]jackandjill22 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Exactly. Not only that. There's also, the charm which is exercised as "Plausible deniability" whenever she does something that seems off/bad behavior, she'll fall back on "I wouldn't do that to you I like you". The old Superficial charm.

              • I wasn't born yesterday. I'm no Dumbass.

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                [–]Mr-Ed209 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                If she starts putting on too strong you can talk it out with her. Talking actually works when it's done from your frame and position of power.

                Just tell her you like where things are going but you don't want to rush things.

                If she can't handle that like a reasonable human being then it might be best to move on.

                [–]godfatherlebron 9 points10 points  (3 children)

                Sounds like you have oneitis already

                [–]iamyeezusalmighty 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                Idk why you're so confused by her actions they seem perfectly normal to me. If you met her in any other social interaction other than a one night stand, and ended up fucking, girls act like this to justify to themselves they are not a whore. Girls are literally on their phones 24/7, just because she texted you a few hours in a row doesn't mean she wants something from you. Just means you have her attention for now

                [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

                It means you're doing something right. You're currently the guy she wants to have those peak experiences with. Enjoy it while it lasts.

                [–]biggerbetterjobs 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                You're either her plate or she's afraid of bringing up exclusivity in case it freaks you out and drives you to leave, so she'd rather enjoy what she has and not fuck it up. Probably a mixture of both emotions. Humans are complicated.

                [–]XelentGamer 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                They are like unicorns or fairies. Women with proper father figures who grew up carrying outdated ideals about what kind of man they need and what kind of women they need to be for that man. They have strong willpower and self identity to go through their youth ignoring most of society and choosing a rare path. Many fail, I'd say less than 1 in 100 make it to unicorn status and the number falls with each generation.

                For 95% of men they have no chance of getting a shot with a unicorn, unicorns are after the elites of men. For the remaining 5%, hopefully some of you, you have to recognize that most of the women you date will be typical sluts, some wolves in sheep's clothing and maybe if you are lucky you will be able to settle down with a unicorn.

                Fact of the matter is though, revolving your goals around fucking sluts will exclude you from this chance. Taking the truths of the redpill without the women hating and striving to improve your market value by becoming a high value man will though.

                [–]Rollo_Mayhem3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                This ^ when you get confused, remember hot chicks are the by-product of being focused, pursuing your goals/dreams, and raising your SMV...they are not the destination. Keep focused on doing what you enjoy, having fun, and dgaf about anyone else.

                [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                LOL. Don't get your hopes up. I married that girl. She's a bossy nag with trust issues, always wants to wear the pants, has no sensuality, expects perfection out of everyone around her, and doesn't put out often enough to be worth the headache most of the time. Some of this is her demeanor, some is my fault for showing beta behavior during the engagement and honeymoon phase. If you find this faithful girl, you still have to keep at the top of your game to get more than a pittance of beleaguered respect out of her. She saw how fucked up the rest of the feminine world was during high school, and is convinced that hers is the only golden pussy in all the land due to it's virtue. In truth, hers is the driest because none are good enough for it. That strong willpower is a double-edged swprd.

                Eventually I'm going to either break her or max out dread game and get divorced. Probably the latter; because her entire identity is completely wrapped around this self-identity of righteous perfection and virtue.

                Drool all you want over this archetype, but her ego is monstrous. Real Taming of the Shrew shit.

                [–]OneInAZillion 54 points55 points  (1 child)

                I always love a good TRP vacation tale.

                My buddy (RP-ish) went on a trip to Cuba and met a girl from a town near his, who had a fiance. At the time, he was looking to expand his up and coming business to nearby towns (hers included). He proceeds to fuck this girl for his entire vacation, a vacation in which her boyfriend was there with her, but she kept trailing off to go fuck my friend.

                All throughout this little episode she's trying to convince him to relocate to her city for work - telling him pretty much verbatim: "If you move to my city I'll leave my fiance for you. I'll be the best girlfriend blah blah blah".

                This was after knowing him for only a few days.

                She was considering leaving her fiance of who-knows-how-many-years just because some guy she barely knew displayed alpha traits and gave her a good dicking.

                I never tire of this shit and these stories. Thank you TRP, as always.

                [–]darkmoon09 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                This along with the OP are exactly the things that makes me believe im forever changed and will find it impossible to develop genuine feelings for women. It's like, why bother if they treat men this way? There's no respect for their "boyfriends" to any degree.

                [–]hmanasi93 106 points107 points  (12 children)

                Those last two paragraph's really take the cake. Once a whore will always a whore and that is a philosophy to stand by. And they won't be deterred for a single second to reconsider their actions and behavior otherwise.

                Likely all those women have beyond-beta boyfriends for them to even let them travel alone. But it is their loss, and certainly shouldn't be a surprise when and if they come to their senses.

                [–]Solipsistic_guy 52 points53 points  (2 children)

                Yep, if she can cheat on an LTR for you, she can cheat on you when the next Chad Thundercock comes along. Good on Tom for being rational.

                [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

                Its a very reassuring part of the whimsical nature of women you bring up.. It also cuts both ways and when she cheats ON you then its a lock she will cheat on the new guy too.

                When you calmly gaze at the situation from above you can see it has nothing to do with your or his strengths and weaknesses and is all about the girl being herself.

                Gives your ego deserved rest. Beating self up over womens lack of loyalty is blue pill conditioning.

                This is NOT a license to be a cuck. its more of a mindset to treat relationships with women as a man, not a lovestruck boy

                [–]Solipsistic_guy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Yes ! Be Marcus Aurelius not Nicholas Sparks.

                [–]1PantsonFire1234 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                Low value women generally only manage to attract betas. Then they go on vacation and try to shop for some more expensive shit. They are still very much the loser. Just like the guy who tolerates being with them.

                [–]jurguenklomiken 12 points13 points  (4 children)

                "let them travel alone"

                Always the same, you don't have control over her and she does not have control over you.

                [–]Canedude08 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                "I am not a dictator, I can't make anyone do anything, but there are some things I will not tolerate in a relationship. You are free to go out and do stuff with the girls, and go to Cabo, but I will not be around when you get back"--Tom Leykis

                [–]jurguenklomiken 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                Girls need to go out with their girlfriends and be slutty.

                Guys need to go out with the boys and hit on some chicks.

                Always have AWALT in mind, but living a life were you walk away or she gets passive aggressive every time your LTR goes out with friends is nonsense.

                [–]Canedude08 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                There's a difference between going out with the girlfriends, and going on vacay without your LTR. Frankly, if a girl wants to go to a meat market bar, then she doesn't need to be in a relationship. She doesn't need to be trolling for dick, just because you are kicking it with your friends. A guy that consistently needs to be out hitting on chicks, instead of being out with the guys shouldn't be in a LTR either. When I was in a relationship, I still had guys night out, I still hung out with my friends, but I wasn't out consistently hitting on women, I was just kicking it. I also wasn't going to meat market bars either, I was going to places where I could chill and enjoy myself and not be in that environment.

                You can swear to be on a diet and only eat chicken breast, but if you keep showing up to a butcher shop, eventually you will end up taking home that NY Strip. A guy that puts up with that is asking to be cheated on, he's asking to get cucked. Have your lines in the sand, and go from there. If she values being slutty and trolling for dick over being in a sane relationship, then dismiss, or demote her to plate status. Don't tolerate it within the confines of a relationship.

                [–]tanqop 44 points45 points  (2 children)

                I just spent 3 weeks abroad doing a course with people mostly my age. Around half of the girls that had a boyfriend back home and I got to know cheated. Nothing unexpected. Disappointed, but not surprised. The same logic was also valid for men, though.

                [–]WolfofAnarchy 35 points36 points  (1 child)

                The same logic was also valid for men, though.

                Yup. We don't 'deserve' to cheat any more than girls do. Let's not have that double standard.

                In other words, never commit, and fuck whoever.

                [–]shakespeareSMG 46 points47 points  (4 children)

                Women are much better at cheating than men, that's why this info is surprising to some of you. When you've been the other guy for a while you see it a lot--especially if you have lived in a place like Las Vegas.

                And that doesn't count the plates she's spinning with sexting or FB messenger.

                I would have guessed 3 out of 5, but hey it just goes to show you how accurate TRP is.

                Except for the one girl, but then, I wonder what she looked like...

                [–]Starter91 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                My guess is really statistically 80-90% women do same thing , does not matter which one but yeah, thats why 80-20 rule in my mind is so accurate , 80% of the women that do the same things, cheating, eating, sleeping, etc .

                [–]lebogglez 37 points38 points  (3 children)

                A big difference between men and women in my experience is that a male cheater knows what he does is wrong but ignores that for selfish reasons, while a female cheater will somehow rationalize that what she does is not wrong..

                [–]RideTheThunderBolts 30 points31 points  (1 child)

                It's in the Bible:

                "Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness." Proverbs 30:20

                [–]Dynamaxion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                Proverbs 30:20

                So true. I've done some shitty things before but by fuck if I didn't feel bad about it. Not true of the times I've had girlfriends mess around.

                [–]1PantsonFire1234 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                Women can't get cucked so a male cheater doesn't matter much to them other than it being a threat. That's why women forgive and can return to feeling the same for a guy, if not more because he proved his worth. Meanwhile women who cheat basically cuck the guy. Male hind brain kicks in and gets disgusted by her and will never feel the same for her. Because now the risk of cucking is high. And cucking equals genetic death, men who got cucked and din't feel disgust for it didn't reproduce. Even if he's blue pill and has oneitis, deep inside he will resent her for it. That's why you read those cringy posts where cucks lay down their guts for the world to see.

                Now a man getting into a romance with another girl while he still has a girlfriend. THAT is the equivalent of the female cheater. Because at this point a man has basically cucked his girlfriend into giving him sex while he gave some other woman his commitment, his affection.

                That's why women are so deeply concerned with "does he care about me" and men are concerned with "is she cheating on me". I mean these subredits are the perfect example man. TRP Is littered with slut alarm questions and tips, field reports and rants. While some female sub only deals in wondering if X Chad or Z Boyfriend actually cares about them.

                [–]30fretibanezguy 33 points34 points  (0 children)

                But but but but MY girlfriend would be the 1/10! We've been together so long, we're so close, there's NO WAY she'd just throw it away! It's like she's always told me.. sex isn't everything!!!

                /s and good post OP.

                [–]jurguenklomiken 30 points31 points  (10 children)

                In Europe we have this exchange student program called Erasmus.

                People don't call it Orgasmus for nothing.

                It's common knowledge here that couples don't survive it. period.

                [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (6 children)

                Yes, local men who live in areas where Erasmus students come are some of the luckiest bastards out there. As long as they look decent and have Game, they are able to swim in an infinite pool of international pussy.

                [–]jurguenklomiken 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                I don't know about that. Most local guys are Blue Pill as fuck around that age and most are in relationships.

                It helped me get a little bit of pussy without looks or game, but most importantly showed me the true nature of women and take them off the pedestal. A mild Red Pill awakening of sorts.

                Brits flashing tits in the club can do that to you.

                [–]Galactic-Unicorn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                God bless Erasmus and the whores it brings us.

                [–]TheDivinePenis 27 points28 points  (7 children)

                Sometimes I read posts like this and I'm just like "Fuck, can you imagine that 1 in 10 girl, though? Was she hot? Was she normal? Was she overtly Christian? How do we get more of that? " lmao

                [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 55 points56 points  (6 children)

                How do we get more of that

                Stonings in the public square...or at least fault based divorce.

                [–]director_solon 21 points22 points  (5 children)

                This. Not stoning, but ensuring that the cheating partners takes nothing that they did not earn.

                [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                but they had to fuck the fat boring hubby at some point. thats hard work man!

                [–]director_solon 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                Lol, I guess maybe we should just legalize whoring outright and just pay for our companionship.

                [–]hyugafan 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                That would unironically solve a bunch of problems.

                [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                see, there are several ways to answer this but honestly most guys trade resources for companionship anyway

                there could easily be two types of services : whores and old style geisha.

                Geisha were entertainers, and men paid for their company not for sex... at least not officially anyway.

                I don't have a problem with this at all.

                [–]Swagbbbb 27 points28 points  (17 children)

                I've been worried about this too. my girlfriend of 5 months is in Germany for 2 months to visit her Uncle who has a kidney failure. When she left a couple days ago she asked if I was coming so I told yes, the next week. This morning she texted me to say that her Uncle is in the hospital and he can't pick me up from the airport but early next month would be perfect. I told her I already booked the flight and I cant come past the 21 because it would cost too much to rebook. Then she texted me saying she was so sorry and she would help pay me back for the ticket but her Uncle is too sick to have anyone else in the house. Do you think she will cheat? She's only had actual sex with 1 guy before me in Germany but she goes to clubs and everything so I dont know.

                [–]Starter91 26 points27 points  (0 children)

                If you don't see a red flag here then i would know what makes you see one. Obviously she does not want to share the emotional side of hers with you. Why, i have no idea, maybe she is with you for other "assets"

                [–][deleted] 84 points85 points  (0 children)

                visit her uncle who has kidney failure

                she goes to the clubs

                Clearly she's grieving over her uncles state of health and really busy with family matters.

                she's only had actual sex with 1 guy

                Uh huh, sure. Can't tell you how many times I've heard that one.

                he can't pick me up from the airport, maybe next month

                Judge her actions, not her words. She's cancelling plans for you to see her and wants to spend the time partying and hanging out with other guys. She's putting you on the back burner in case she changes her mind. Do you really believe there isn't another way for someone else to pick you up? That solution would be simple.

                Yeah dude. No doubt she's cheating or going to cheat very soon. I promise you she will. Alcohol + Fun + Isolation is the formula that makes cheating inevitable. She has all three of those in abundance.

                Have her cover your plan ticket ASAP. Then save yourself the two months and dump her. If you don't you'll be cucked for sure.

                [–]ziggmuff 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                Something smells fishy. You can't visit and stay somewhere else?

                [–]RenanWtf 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                Exactly. Also, "since there is no airport pickup, better come a month later" It's Germany, ffs. Everything is close and accessible by any means of transportation.

                [–]LegoCamel6 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                Mehhh why bother? If she doesn't do it now she'll do it later... and in that case, is she really worth any effort?

                [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 34 points35 points  (3 children)

                she's getting a healthy dose of uncut german sausage. sorry brotha.

                [–]xXx420VTECxXx 13 points14 points  (2 children)

                and by German you mean a 6'2 Somalian

                [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                they're all germans now lol

                [–]Landpomeranze 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                You can get everywhere in germany from every single german airport for like 100€. If you don't mind me asking, which city and airport are we talking about here?

                [–]biggerbetterjobs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                It's best for you to not overanalyze the situation and let the truth trickle out when she comes home. It will.

                Until then, hangout with your friends and enjoy your summer. Don't dwell on it.

                [–]yomo86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Minor issue (hotel instead of uncles home, cab instead of a ride) shall be enough to offset a planned and booked flight. She even negotiates to compensate you. Man... Please. Look at it from a pragmatic point of you - she needs time. For what is up to you but I have some kind of hunch.

                [–]xXx420VTECxXx 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                She's going to ride that Islamic BBC...

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Med dude here. Kidney failure isn't a death sentence and some kidney failures can be fixed in a matter of days. I would very suspicious if my SO didn't want to come see her uncle because he was too sick and in "kidney failure". You do realize all dialysis patients are in kidney failure and live normalish lives.

                Unless she is retarded with medical diagnoses, something is fishy.

                [–]Shakydrummer 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                Not surprising in the slightest but also disappointing. They get to enjoy strange dick and justify it, it's practically a free pass. If they insist on travelling alone, just save yourself the headache and cut it honestly.

                [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 18 points19 points  (4 children)

                i used to bang this dime in college that studied some medieval history bullshit major, but some courses she took were anthropology related. so they had this trip for the whole summer to go to serbia, croatia, and a bunch of other eastern european countries as part of their coursework. so the following semester we meet up for a fuck and share our summers with each other. now, this girl was in a very serious relationship with her man (lol which of course never stopped her from hopping on my dick and other guys dicks even in college.. btw, her man was in the same school as us but he lived in the uptown campus lmao). so anyway, she hooks up with some serbian slav motherfucker who pounded her into oblivion the whole time she was there. and she says to me "hey, i needed to get fucked and my boyfriend is in the states, what's a woman to do?".. not only that, but she told me about all the other broads that went on that trip from our school, got their pussies smashed as well and many of them had boyfriends. nothing new and nothing changes.

                [–]majorbollocks[🍰] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

                Yeah I've been the other guy too and same thing the chick has the audacity to mate guard on me?!! LOL fuck that shit. Told her in no uncertain terms that we're not exclusive so I could still bang her

                [–]GhostySC2 18 points19 points  (6 children)

                I want to believe that two people can be loyal to each other and not have sex with anyone else while they are together. I desperately want to find that someone for me and share an amazing, fulfilling life with them... but with this stuff happening so often (I hear/see it happening around me too) I have so little faith in this perception of love and so little trust in other people. How can you reconcile feeling like you can't truly be happy unless you have that other person to share your life with and not being able to trust anyone and believing happy monogamous relationships are becoming a thing of the past?

                [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (3 children)

                Couple things.

                1) You need to come to terms with the fact that the fairy tale happy ending probably isn't going to happen for you when it comes to romantic relationships. Statistically, it simply isn't a thing you can depend on anymore. I personally have switched from wanting a partner to grow old with to wanting a partner to reproduce and raise a family with (with paternity tests after each birth). That would be fulfilling for me, regardless of the outcome after I have the children I want.

                2) These stories are horrible, yes. But not every girl is off traveling like this by herself. It's typically only girls that have had enough of the relationship and were going to cheat soon anyway. That's a large part of why they went on the trip in the first place. Be the guy she wants to travel with.

                3) Set firm boundaries early on in the relationship and make sure your SMV is always rising. That is your best chance to have a happy monogamous relationship with the woman always respecting/loving you.

                4) Again, decouple your sense of worth, fulfillment, and happiness from women. I am perfectly OK with dying as an old man living by himself as long as I have kids and grand kids around when I do. If I want companionship I'll either have male friends or I can pick up some old broad that I get along with well when sex is no longer that important to me.

                Make sense?

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                  [–]jm51 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  I am perfectly OK with dying as an old man living by himself as long as I have kids and grand kids around when I do.

                  That's me right now. Waiting for God and loving every minute of it.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Find yourself a traditional, conscientious woman. Religious even. That is the only woman you can really trust and bond with in an LTR.

                  [–]askmrcia 16 points17 points  (1 child)

                  You know I'm going to throw some sense into this thread. I know I'm late. But I've done my share of study abroads.

                  The girls that had boyfriends back at home and cheated on them when they were away, it was pretty obvious to know which ones these were.

                  What I'm getting at is I knew within the first five mins of meeting these women, which ones were going to screw around. So I blame the boyfriends for even getting into a committed relationship with them.

                  My last trip we went to London England. There were three girls and one was really good looking. She was easily the best looking girl on the trip. She and along with two other girls had boyfriends back at home. Those girls only came out to drink and party with us ONCE.

                  And it was the first day. We all went out to some clubs to drink and dance and stuff. They only did that once. While my wild ass did it every day I was over there along with some of the other women.

                  Instead of drinking with us, the girls that had boyfriends would go to be early or keep to themselves. Like it would be 10pm and either people would be in my room drinking or we would be in the girl's room drinking. The girls that were loyal to their boyfriends would just stay in their rooms and there was plenty of times me and some of the other girls tried to get them to drink us. They refused.

                  Now the girls that had boyfriends and slept around, I mean they were already talking about partying before we even boarded the plane to London. These girls were drinking with me and a few other people pretty much every night and you can guess where that lead too.

                  So what I'm saying is, your girl does not need to travel to cheat. The ones that are sleeping around when they travel are easy as hell to stop. Do they go to clubs while they are in their home country? Are they always on social media being an attention whore? Do they like to drink and party a lot? If the answer is yes, then these are the ones that will cheat behind your back.

                  [–]DouglasPR 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  you nailed it. When in similar situations I could point the girls that were up for cheating within minutes of knowing them. They showed clear signs they were not LTR material. Some were devious enough not to cheat with us in the group, but with strange local guys, reducing the possibility their boyfriends back home would find out.

                  [–]bigdaddyswag5 13 points14 points  (22 children)

                  Sorry, what do you mean by the last sentence? Like just ditch her after?

                  [–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (2 children)

                  No calls, no texts, no answers. She's dead to you. That way you don't obsess over her and move on as quickly as possible. You don't get sucked into the lies and the bullshit. Meanwhile her hamster goes into full meltdown.

                  [–]hyugafan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                  Fun to witness the hamstering. It's kind of like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.

                  [–]LordThunderbolt 30 points31 points  (15 children)

                  If your gf wants to travel abroad without you, either alone or with her girlfriends, let her go and don't object. Then ghost her. Don't bother try to change her mind or argue about how you don't like the idea. When they travel they go sit on cocks for fun.

                  [–]Xoramung 9 points10 points  (7 children)

                  let her go and don't object.

                  Not even with once by saying that's sounds horrible? I thought the man was supposed to lead that situation. I would like more clarity then just let her do whatever.

                  [–]CapitalDragons 10 points11 points  (4 children)

                  I would at least express that she will be plated at the very least if she leaves. Those are the consequences and you should hold frame. That being said, the urge to travel is a bad indicator anyways.

                  [–]AwakenedSovereign 43 points44 points  (3 children)

                  Girls aren't stupid.

                  When you threaten her with 'consequences', remember that she does not speak in the same language as you. All you are doing is telling her what she needs to lie about. This is why the strategy is to let them do whatever the fuck they want - WHICH THEY WILL DO REGARDLESS - and make your decisions based on her unfiltered behavior. Paradoxically if you succeed in this strategy and are willing to genuinely let go, she will be less likely to do anything that would risk losing you. We call it Abundance Mentality.

                  Maybe she cancels that trip to keep you. Then a week later she is fucking some local guy. Or has been all along. But you'll never know now will you?

                  Because you are a big strong alpha captain who warns her of the consequences of her actions because she is just a silly dumb girl who doesn't know better tee-hee

                  They fucking know exactly what they are doing. And they have since about 9 years old. That's a hard part of TRP for blues to swallow, but it's also true af

                  [–]lee-sinned 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  It's a lose-lose situation really. Because following this strategy leaves the possible scenario where you ditch the girl because she decided to go on this trip when really she planned to stay with you. ie she'd be that 1 other girl that didn't cheat on her SO. I know that in terms of expected value your strategy is the correct one, but still. Guess the ideal thing to do is to become really really good at identifying behavioral clues in order to figure out whether she's that 1 girl or not.

                  [–]LordThunderbolt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  If she doesn't know better than to decline going on that trip out of respect for you, she's not gf material. It's one of those things she should know not to do, by herself. If you tell her not to go, she'll see you as the bad guy who's controlling and won't let her "have fun". If you tell her you feel uneasy about her going on the trip (aka being weak and insecure), she'll reassure you with "words" that she is loyal to you but she'll go on that trip with even less respect for you and a thirst for foreign cock. If you let her go and take welcome her back when she comes home, she'll see you as a naive beta who lacks self respect and she can easily play you for the fool that you are.

                  If your gf asks if it's okay to go on that trip, you tell her that she's an adult and you believe she can decide for herself. The goal is to let her show you the type of person she really is, and not the person you want her to be. Of she goes, you next. If she stays, you reward.

                  [–]VancouverSucks 29 points30 points  (1 child)

                  "bellies and vaginas filled with other men's cum" L fuckin OL

                  [–]rapidprogram 26 points27 points  (17 children)

                  Reading this really hurts me... Makes me wanna cry... why nature, why...

                  [–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (0 children)

                  That's TRP. I'll take this shit any day of the week over of going back to a blue pill fantasy world. Be thankful you're aware and that you can learn to adapt.

                  [–]WolfofAnarchy 23 points24 points  (5 children)

                  why nature, why...

                  Reframe it positively --> Gives us Men the assurance that we should never commit and just fuck whoever we want. Enjoy life, know she's never yours, it's just your turn.

                  [–]Aeiexgjhyoun_III 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                  No I'm never hers. It's just her turn.

                  [–]Abi79 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  No I'm never hers. It's just her turn.

                  If a guy manages to grow as a man and follow RP principles, then this is absolutely correct. A man's gotta realize when he makes the transition from him being along for her ride to her being along for his ride.

                  [–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                  Have your cry... then get up and realize that this is the reality of the world, and what you are crying over... was the lie.

                  The sooner you accept that this is just how it is... the quicker you can get on with your life.

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                  [–]Johndoesmith67 22 points23 points  (2 children)

                  The important thing to know is your boi tom is in geology and once hes finished he needs to get in bed with a fat ass oil company and stack paper.

                  [–]Baldr48 8 points9 points  (11 children)

                  I've been thinking through a situation relevant to this all day.

                  I have an LTR of maybe 6 months who has been complimenting my lifestyle nicely. She is low milage, respectful, hot body, lives healthy and craves my cock like she needs it to live.

                  She has an overseas trip coming up that was booked and paid for before she knew me. It's mostly staying with family, but there is a 10 day Contiki tour that concerns me. I'd like to be trusting but AWALT.

                  Not sure if I should just let her go on the trip and hope my gut instincts will sus out any bad behavior or just end it and go back to spinning plates.

                  What would you do brothers?

                  Given the right circumstances LTRs are definitely my preference.

                  [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

                  6 mo. LTR? I wouldn't even give it that designation at 6 months, because a woman will rationalize it the same way. "Oh, it's only been 6 months...".

                  You have no choice on "letting" her go on the trip. If you try and say no, you're boned.

                  Go with your gut, go with your gut, GO WITH YOUR GUT. If anything surfaces that even hints that something went down, eject and spin her.

                  I figure one of two things will come of that.

                  1. You create more value through scarcity, and she doubles down on you.

                  2. She gets pissed and blows up at you, and tells you in vivid detail how she got filled in all holes by Chad Thundercock on vacay.

                  I call that a win-win.

                  [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 15 points16 points  (3 children)

                  She'll go on her tour. It's pointless trying to forbid it. You kiss her and tell her to have lots of fun.

                  While she's gone, make a point to meet other women so you don't feel like a cuckold.

                  When she's back, you won't be suspicious, just happy and a little guilty (in secret) about what you did while she was away.

                  [–]xXx420VTECxXx 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                  But if she doesn't fuck any guys you've gone and cheated for no reason.

                  [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  What do you mean, no reason. She was away for a long time and you were lonely.

                  [–]xXx420VTECxXx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Come on bro, don't you think thats a bit hypocritical? You have two hands, pocket pussy, drugs and a g spot.

                  My LTR has had distance for over 6 months, I didn't have to cheat.

                  [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                  A tough situation since it was booked before she knew you. It's easy for any of us to say end it and spin plates but the fact is we're not in that position.

                  I personally think the odds are stacked heavily against you but ultimately you have to make that choice.

                  I just plated my LTR a week ago for similar behavior. I'm a happier and less stressed man for it.

                  [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Medium is the message.

                  Also, 6 months is an STR

                  [–]slickmizzle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  You should let her go. It looks desperate saying to her that she can't go on a trip that was already paid for before. Either you say don't go and she'll resent you for it or let her go and don't worry about it. Gives you more precious time without her to better yourself.

                  [–]boardrider73 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  Man I went on a Contiki Tour in 97..Everyone was hooking up with everyone. I would not be real stoked on this. However, what options do you have? None.

                  [–]adam_varg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Dont do anything. Make sure she cant get even sniff of your concerns. If she does you multiplied chance of straying.

                  Then carefully watch her act during trip and after. If its smells wrong even a bit or your gut is saying you something drop her or snoop to verify.

                  [–]fromthecrypt8 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                  Swallowing trp is the best thing I've done in many, many years, perhaps one of the most important events in my life. Why? Because it genuinely fits like a fuckin glove with what I've observed in reality. I too have observed what OP is describing on many occasions.

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                  [–]The_Phoenecian 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                  Tell her you're glad the precedent has been set, and you're not gonna think twice before doing the same thing when the situation presents itself to you. You're trying to extract more pieces of the trickle truth. Gauge her response; if anything went down, you'll likely be able to see it.

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                    [–]mortalcoil1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                    On a similar note, if you are in the military and have a wife/girlfriend, she WILL cheat on you while you are deployed.

                    On a similar note, if your wife/girlfriend is in the military, she WILL cheat on you while she is deployed.

                    Women live their entire lives in a continuous state of sex accessibility. When this goes away they are completely unequipped to deal with it.

                    [–]purgisupp 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                    In other words, water is wet.

                    I was working for an youth exchange organization which hosted people from all over the world. Around 70% of them were girls. Saw this kind of thing happening weekly, often on the first night the people arrived.

                    Was a fun few years for me, and I really learned a thing and two. Remember a girl I spent a night with Skyping the next with her boyfriend how much she misses and loves him. Later she slept with 2 other guys within the few weeks she was there.

                    One thing I noted was that people from Asia were in general more committed to the ones back home and didn´t fuck around as much as those from Europe/America, though it still happened.

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                    [–]RPmatrix 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    The International Backpacker Trail is a partyminded fuckfest full of HB's with bugger all ASD becoz "who' gonna tell?"

                    It's a fucking casual orgy, pure and simple! And the hostels are well aware of this and cater nicely to such proclivities

                    Suffice to say, as a guy it's best to travel alone, if you go with a mate be ready to part ways whenever as things come up which will take you in opposite directions as nobody will be happy with a compromise, believe me, I've seen heaps of this

                    And, NEVER go on a Long trip with your GF, unless you're incredibily tight and already live in each other's pockets!

                    And IF your GF goes backpacking ... split up and tell her you can see what's up when she gets back. It will save you both a lot of grief

                    Otherwise it's almost certain that you'll break up somewhere along the way and it will suck for a while

                    It happened to a German couple I lived with in Australia for six months.

                    Eight mths into "their" trip, (we'd all moved out about a month earlier, I'd gone to Melbourne) she goes off travelling alone for a few weeks while Wolfgang went somewhere else "trusting her" LOL! dumbass

                    So when he called me after he'd just found out that she was running off with some french guy she met "on the trip to tasmania", he's shattered and I can feel his pain over the ph.

                    Amazingly we discover we're in the same city, I'm with two Swedish chicks having a barbecue and I Tell him to 'come over to my place' Right Now!.. He does and later I take them to this great party pub and Wolfy has a blast, get's pissed and ends up going home with some cute nurse! Superb! It was the best thing that could've happened for him and he was over his ex overnight! lol

                    TL:DR" ALL backpackers are Sluts. Male and female it matters not! If they're under 30 they're out to fuck with SFA ASD becoz "who's gonna tell"

                    edit: spelling

                    [–]1PantsonFire1234 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                    I'm wondering about the backstory of these girls. I think that any girl who goes on a vacation trip without her boyfriend has moved past the honeymoon stage long ago. The reason they travel in the first place is to put themselves in these bad situations. Because they are bored. Five years is a long time. I'm not sure about the others.

                    Also remember that if all those girls hooked up with the guys from the trip. That means that heavy AF/BB rules weren't even in play. They just wanted some other guy, probably because they are bored.

                    Most people beat a dead horse for far longer than they should. To understand that sometimes you have to let go. Especially when it comes to women. After the four year mark it's done, there's no spark anymore for either of you. Now this sucks for anyone who wants to build a family and secretly hates putting himself out there. But it's the truth.

                    [–]askmrcia 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                    Exactly!!!!!!! And that's what a lot of users here are failing to realize. Not every girl that travels is going to cheat and slut it up. I mean c'mon.

                    The ones that do are either in shitty relationships to begin with or were whores before they got into relationships. They don't need these trips to cheat.

                    Lets put it this way. The type of women you see doing this probably has one or multiple of the following:

                    1. You met them off tinder
                    2. They like to club and party
                    3. They already had a lot of boyfriends/sex partners.
                    4. They like to party (has to be said again) and drink and do drugs (yes weed counts)

                    These girls are going to most likely cheat on you.

                    [–]Glacierdust 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                    I went on a semester abroad in second year and in the program there were only 2 guys including me and 18 girls. The other guy was what Mystery would call an Average Frustrated Chump but, to be honest here, so was I. I knew of the red pill's existence but I was still a virgin who didn't lift.

                    Anyway, I did end up losing my virginity and then some (logistics were just phenomenal) and as OP said, a lot of the girls were in relationships and every single one cheated (one of them with me). I was very bitter that only one cheated with me because I had my eye on two others as well.

                    Here's the thing though: I recently dated a girl who got a job across the ocean for six weeks and I had to decide if we were going long-distance or bust. Thanks to the red pill awakening I'd had in second year, the choice was a very obvious one: I had to break up with her. And I did. I'll never know for sure how much pain I spared myself but I'm at peace with my decision and grateful to this subreddit.

                    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    Good for you. You did the right thing. Not many are wise and strong enough to do so.

                    [–]lionsling 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                    The truth of the matter is girls don't even have to travel that far to cheat on their significant other. All they require is the feeling of attraction and a little nudge in your direction. I remember in college this one girl wanted to "meet up" with me after class when I had remembered she clearly told everyone in our group she had a boyfriend of 3 years.

                    [–]goatwithbeergoggles 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                    Out of interest, how many of those 20 guys had girlfriends and did any of them cheat?

                    [–]MisterRoid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    I read stories about girls cheating on their boyfriends all the time when they travel to another country alone on another forum. It's basically a guarantee that she will cheat when she's going on a trip with her (girl)friends. Hell, they are cheering each other on to do it too.

                    [–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                    Worst part is when you realize that through microchimerism, if done unsafely, this dna will be with this women forever.

                    [–]S3LF-IMPROV3M3NT 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                    Can some older TRP contributors or endorsed contributors contribute?

                    I'm thinking of unsubbing from TRP. Not because I disagree with it, but because being reminded of the bitter pill kind of makes me repulsed by them and turned off. Like I don't really wanna put in the effort to chase them anymore.

                    I'll still apply everything TRP taught me like the importance of working out and the dangers of the ubiquitous BP fantasy... but it's kind of a buzzkill/turnoff for me when I'm inundated with examples of hypergamy and cheating and lying and what not.

                    So is it smart to monk-mode but also stop reading TRP because I already know all of the theory thoroughly?

                    [–]TimmySatanicTurner 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    I just smoked a blunt with yo girlfriend

                    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                    Or just spin fucking plates. Simples.

                    [–]aolders 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I might still be not completely unplugged, but can someone explain why you ghost someone without even mentioning that going abroad without you is something that is not acceptable? I'm from Europe and especially during your studies it's common to go abroad to improve your CV. Ghosting someone because of that without any warning seems a bit overkill. Wouldn't it be the same as a woman ghosting her boyfriend without any warning because he's going to a business trip?

                    [–]RedPill_Swinger 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    I've been group travelling since the age of 14, for many different reasons (education, work, ngo programmes, leisure etc) it always ended up this way. ALWAYS. Oh and also, cultures differed, nationalities differed, "characters" differed blah, blah, blah AWALT!

                    [–]iliotibialtract 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                    Am i the only person getting tense from reading those kinds of posts? xD

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                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    That's the hamster running at full speed haha.

                    [–]TheOldEskimo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    I already knew this was true, but just reading it breaks my heart all over again. How could you do that to your partner?

                    I hate that this is the reality of the world we live in.

                    No surprise, my ex cheated on me and left me for another man -- that's not the way she tells the story of course, but it's what really happened.

                    Fuck em'

                    [–]jurguenklomiken 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I lived on the receiving end of this situation. Many tourists and exchange students came to the Mediterranean to party. So many Americans, Brits and Germans wanting to ride some local latin cock. I assumed 90% of them had boyfriends back home.

                    [–]ECoast_Man 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Good one. I have been "the other guy" many times in this situation and several times the broads did a horrible job at hiding that they had a boyfriend back home. Saying "I love you" on the phone and shit in hushed voices and coming back into the room and saying they were talking to "mom".

                    [–]1skittles_man 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    This is why you beautiful bastards should be satisfied that you have found TRP. One of the main reasons these girls go on these vacations and cheat is because their boyfriends have no frame and no game. With frame and good game, you can mitigate some of this stuff, and even if you can't, you won't really care anyway because you'll be able to replace her rather quickly

                    [–]Dadoma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    True story. I myself was on studying abroad on an exchange program for 1 year and as I first met people there a lot of exchange program girls already had boyfriends at home. Maybe as much as 60% of them. So when they first told me that I was disappointed and thought it couldn't work out. But roughly 1-2 months in about 80% of them cheated or broke up with their SO's. One girl even set up an open relationship (LOL) with her SO's that would allow them (her) to fuck whoever they (she) wanted. I myself even got several of them to cheat after I noticed that this was how it goes (humblebrag). Moral of the story? AWALT. Don't let your girl go on exchange. It's simply a bad idea.

                    [–]ArmaniDiamonds 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    This is why I go to edm shows and raves. Yeah. Your ass and pasties on your titties shows your “commitment”. Wanna go back to my hotel room? Never once have I not fucked a girl once they decide to go back to the hotel with me.

                    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    What about the one girl who didn't cheat..... was she really ugly, really fat or didn't get caught ?

                    [–]BiteAndThrow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I'll bet on 'didn't get caught'.

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