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Red Pill TheoryThe ultimate, low effort guide to fucking girls off online dating apps (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by nitefuzz

TL;DR I’m a fairly average guy who spends only about 5 minutes a day on Tinder, invests no other time or effort, doesn’t go on dates, and adds a new plate every 2-3 weeks.

 


 

I originally wrote this guide a few months ago, but wasn't able to post it until now. As you can already tell, I can be a fairly lazy person. I pride myself on getting maximum results from minimal effort, which looks something like this (keep reading for some more examples). After being in a relationship for almost all of my adult life, a year ago I decided I wanted to be single and enjoy being young. Starting from scratch, I went on many dates, and soon became disillusioned with the concept of modern dating. Be honest with yourselves, if you could skip the boring, typical “coffee date small talk” aspects of getting your dick wet, would you? I certainly would, and so I endeavoured to find the best method to maximise the amount of women I slept with using the least amount of effort.

 

Let me preface this guide by making a few points:

 

  • I know and understand that dating apps are a somewhat taboo topic here. I get that and agree. However, they do have their uses.

 

  • This guide is only for people that have already some success on Tinder/Bumble etc. I’m not talking matching with 15+ people a day, but you should be getting a few matches here and there. If they’re not replying or you’re not getting numbers or dates, that’s ok too, you just need to be good-looking enough to get at least some matches (if you’re an ugly dude, you’d be better off with day/night game and skipping the apps altogether).

 

  • Again, online dating is a relatively niche aspect of dating overall. This method works well for me at this stage in my life. You should complement this guide with the traditional cold approach and non-app guides you read here.

 

  • You should be well-versed with Red Pill theory before attempting this. Frame, push/pull, SMV and all your typical side-bar stuff is all still very important.

 


Phase 1: SETUP

 

  1. If you already have an online dating profile, delete it and start a new one. Tinder’s algorithm in particular will punish poor profiles and swiping activities.

  2. You NEED decent pictures of yourself. I’m talking decent quality, in a variety of different settings (outdoor, social, bars and clubs etc.). Bonus points for having pictures with animals (steal your neighbours dog for a photo). NEVER use pictures of your car/motorbike/random memes. Use photos of you in a natural environment, as if you’re not even aware that someone is taking a photo, and limit ones of you posing for a photo (no selfies either, unless it’s with an animal).

  3. Restrict your distance to around 25km, and restrict your age range. I am 23, so my age range is 18-23 (I match with mostly 19-21 year old women). If you are older, say, 28, I would recommend something like 20-25. The narrower your target audience is, the more Tinder will prioritise your profile.

  4. Have something fun/flirty in your bio. If you’re above 6 foot, say so. I also recommend having something like “Perfect parallel parking is only my second most interesting attribute.” This is fucking GREAT because a lot of women will open you, e.g. “So what’s your most interesting attribute?”. Whatever you do, don’t put boring shit like a list of hobbies or sports, make it fun, interesting, mysterious, and question-provoking.

  5. ONLY swipe on women you genuinely find attractive and you would like to fuck. Tinder in particular will punish profiles that swipe on too many profiles. Your profile gains popularity if you are picky about who you swipe on.

 


Phase 2: ATTRACT

 

Do you wait at a bus stop for a few minutes a day on your way to work? Do you take a shit for about 5 minutes a day? Congratulations, you can use that otherwise wasted time to swipe on dating apps like Tinder and Bumble. Spend no more than 5 minutes a day, the goal is minimal investment (while you do other awesome RP things).

 

BONUS POINTS: Most people either have a work/spare phone along with their primary device. Make another account on your other phone and double your matches! This personally is not worth the time or effort for me, so I don’t do it.

 

After a week or two, you should hopefully have a good 8-15 matches (depends how attractive you are). Now, here is where my strategy differs from the usual, and where some may find it a bit controversial. I really do not enjoy dates, unless I am actively looking for an LTR. I just want to get laid, then do my own thing. So, what do I do instead? I hit the clubs every Saturday night. There are several reasons behind this strategy:

 

  • I go out with a couple of guys and girls each weekend and we have a lot of fun. Even if I don’t get laid, we still have a great night.

 

  • Did you get catfished? Who cares! Simply turn around, ignore her, and go approach one of the 100+ other girls in the club, or dance with your friends. It just doesn’t matter. It’s not like you’ve travelled all the way to a date to find out your girl is Gollum’s sister.

 

  • A one-on-one coffee date can be awkward, boring, or tiring (if it’s a week night after work). Contrast this with a nightclub on a Saturday night - alcohol and environment is everything. Everyone is in party mode, feeling good after a few drinks, and listening to music/dancing. This is the perfect environment for a girl to want to go home with you.

 

  • Your SMV grows exponentially. You meet a lot of people, and might even run into some of your plates while you’re gaming your next girl. Nothing screams abundance mentality more than dancing with a new girl, while knowing you can fuck your plate dancing three meters away if all else fails. The girls can smell it in the air too.

 

So how do you go from Tinder match to burying your third leg inside a HB8?

 

  1. On Friday night or Saturday afternoon before you go out, message all of your most attractive matches. Timing is everything here. Women on Tinder lose interest in a guy easily, so you want to minimise the amount of time between you first popping up on her phone with a funny message, and actually meeting her.

  2. What do you say exactly? Well, you can come up with something witty based on their bio/pictures, or you can just copy pasta the same funny line (either off the internet or one you’ve come up with). I usually come up with a funny line every few months and use it on literally every girl until I get bored of it (seriously, I copy and paste the exact same openers and replies to multiple women). I won’t go into too much detail here, but always talk about stupid bullshit and NEVER anything serious (work, school, hobbies etc.). Both I and the women I talk to don’t give a fuck about our love for “hiking” or “contemporary art”, we just want to have fun. You can see in a few of my conversations how I structure the messages. Here is a nice simple one, here is a more drawn out one, and here is how I turn boring, mundane conversation into something fun. Yes, I met all of them out and successfully closed. Your goal should be dating app > phone number > meeting out > fucking.

  3. You can probably see from the above examples I have a few “go to’s”. Whether it be meth cook, stripper, or pretending to run from the police. It's easy, simple, and I reuse the same lines and themes on each girl. The point is, it’s funny, unique, and mysterious, and that’s what they like. Do you have a female friend? Check out their dating apps. It will be full of horribly mundane messages from guys like “hey” or “you’re cute”.

  4. Once you have their number, you’re more than just “another Tinder guy” to them. You’re somewhat “real”. Keep the conversation fun and flirty, but don’t say too much. Focus on the details of meeting later on.

 


Phase 3: CLOSING

 

So, you’ve got her number, and you’ve texted her the club you’re at. 5 minutes later, she walks up to you. Congratulations! This is the easiest part. Think about it, she swiped right on you, gave you her number, and has now met up with you in a club. This process also acts as a sort of preselection. Rather than going up to a random girl in the club and trying to game her, most of your work is already done by the time you meet the girl. It should be in the bag by this point. Keep your frame, be fun and flirty, and under no circumstances buy her a drink. In fact, you should make HER buy YOU a drink. This is how I’ve literally gone from spending $10-$15 on a date, to MAKING $10-$15 from drinks girls buy me at a club. Also, let’s face it, how many guys go around asking women to buy them a drink? Almost none. It’s one of the cockiest, most unusual things a woman will experience in a club, and they are immediately flustered by it.

 

Ensure you throw in all the usual sidebar RP stuff like kino, push/pull, dread, abundance mentality etc. Once you get her home, give her the hard pounding she deserves, and send her home. Make sure you fuck her good, and you will end up with messages like this. I’m not a master in the bedroom by any stretch of the imagination, but the overwhelming majority of girls I take home using this method text me back for more, because they had fun.

 


Conclusion

 

So that's it. That's how you use online dating apps efficiently and effectively. It costs only a few kilobytes of mobile data and a couple of minutes here and there to swipe and message. You can certainly swap out the "closing in a club" part with a date, but for me, the club scenario is three birds with one stone - fun night out with friends, increase SMV, and a high chance of banging a cutie with minimal effort.


[–]bobbydreddits 250 points251 points  (32 children)

I changed my profile to say "my breakfast is world famous". Works pretty well on bumble, bitches love breakfast.

[–]onlyjedileft 148 points149 points  (5 children)

"My world famous breakfasts are only my second most interesting attribute."

[–]washington_breadstix 84 points85 points  (3 children)

Her: "So what's your most interesting attribute?"

You: "Perfect parallel parking. Wait, I mean my dick. Shit."

[–]apatel215 11 points12 points  (2 children)

i started using "guaranteed to outperform your ex or your money back" with some success. im also attractive so that plays into it but girls who USE tinder are horny for whatever reason they have..like a recent breakup lol

[–]Abeham10 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What do you follow up with when they ask you about it

[–]apatel215 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Okay so i realized it never got me laid necessarily but it makes the girl curious and in this case the chick was on spring break so limited time but anyway...

Only one in particular brought it up and i responded as such:

Her: so your bio in interesting, pretty cocky lol Me: sounds like it caught your attention

I Flipped it on her and she said something about wanting to "pick my brain." I told her she can do that in person if she would like. she says "wow you move fast." i clarified and said "i meant to get food or something, looks like your thinking too fast" she then said "I'm not sorry tho" (thats where my physical attractiveness comes in)

She was curious, i kept playing the mysterious card and she was obviously thinking about fucking me

does that help?

[–]yomo86 158 points159 points  (14 children)

Tinder is recreational to girls, it is not even a fuck app it is a validation machine. Thus, they don't read profiles. If you are hot, your profile can literally say you like to abuse women, and yet, they still fall for it or rationalize it.

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    [–]TheRealJesusChristus 18 points19 points  (2 children)

    They see „hot guy“ and read bio to come up w something if possible. If not just wait till first message. My xp at least

    [–]erthian 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Just like we do with hot girls.

    [–]TheRealJesusChristus 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Exactly. I see a fat landwhale, i dont even look the bio. I see a hb8/9/10 i look the bio to come up w smth original. Or at least good enough

    [–]ShittDickk 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I say "swipe right if there's room in your heart or butt for one more" and it's had some decent results.

    [–]bobbydreddits 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    You can write you abuse women and I'll stick to my approach, we can compare results

    [–]Saberinbed 13 points14 points  (3 children)

    Bro the girls on tinder are so ugly. There are 5s and 6s there acting like they are hot shit. Stick to day game if you’re not super attractive.

    Don’t fall for these posts either saying they lay HB8s on tinder. They are most likely 5s. You need to be model tier to lay 8s on tinder. At least my 8s.

    Daygame is a different story, you can be a 6 and lay 8s daygaming.

    [–]Incitatus002 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Agree totally. A HB7 and above doesn't need Tinder. Tinder is infested with catfishing fatties and skanks. I've tried it and have yet to meet one who actually looked like their photos. Always 20lb heavier and much less attractive.

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      [–]Saberinbed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      You need have so much going for your in terms of looks to be able to just hookup with a 7. You can just daygame and easily pull 8s. Only use tinder if you’re super good looking, willing to lower your standards, or just willing to bang anything, which is something you should never do imo because it lowers your self worth. I’d rather fuck like 2-3 8s per year than bang 20 5s and 6s

      [–]aShiftyLad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      agree with yomo86, mines says im a bit of a sociopath and daddy issues are welcomed and encouraged. works great.

      [–]Incendior 8 points9 points  (5 children)

      Can't say that's a bad approach, I mean who doesn't love breakfast

      [–]bobbydreddits 16 points17 points  (2 children)

      If you want to be even slicker about it just say "I own a waffle iron"

      [–]lorum_ipsum_dolor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Or better yet, "You'll never believe what I can do with a waffle iron".

      [–]DntPnicIGotThis 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      I like this. very classy but the msg is clear. effective against ASD.

      [–]bobbydreddits 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      All conversations start the same too. "So what does your breakfast consist of" etc.

      [–]DntPnicIGotThis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      super effective im sure. gonna borrow it for myself.

      [–]Gearski 94 points95 points  (39 children)

      I match with a lot of girls on Tinder but frequently get ghosted by them, or they aren't receptive to the shit I say, any ideas on that? Good guide btw, the new profile and limiting swipes is news to me.

      [–]askmrcia 61 points62 points  (5 children)

      You and everyone else. I too can make a post showing all my text/tinder successes (closes) and you would think I'm a god. But for everyone of those I get ghosted twice if if not more than that amount.

      This is in no knock on Op because I enjoyed the post. But this is one of many tinder advice posts that has been on here. There is no easy way.

      Honestly tinder comes down to being attractive and not being autistic in your messages. Being witty, funny and doing tricks such as the ones op mentioned is kind of like the new smartphone features. Sure some features may help here and there, but it's not that big of a difference or it's pretty meaningless. Like the slow mo feature in a phone camera.

      Bios? Bios those don't mean anything really. You can check photos without even bringing up the bio. Again just don't have anything autistic or basic in there and you'll be fine.

      Also it's an app at the end of the day. Meaning they will hide matches from you to try and bait you to upgrade to tinder gold. So the people that you're swiping on, alot of them are inactive accounts if not bots. So with that said, alot of active accounts may not even see your profile. So if you're getting a few matches here and there, it doesn't mean 90% of the women you swipe on are swiping left on you.

      With that said; plus the fact there are far more guys on these apps, plus women have a shit ton of matches to the point you're buried, plus some women are on there for validation and laughs, and yea some women may not even find you attractive is what results in any guy's match rate being low.

      Two weeks ago I ran into a fat chic who ghosted me at a club. I didn't know she was fat, so she obviously catfished me, but anyways she showed me her matches. She had to use the fuckin search bar to find me because she had so many matches. She was a 6 in her tinder pics and a 3 in real life. She had so many matches that I was buried so deep in her match queue to the point she needed to use the search bar to find me.

      That should give you an idea right there what you're up against. So dont get too down on yourself.

      [–]Lsegundo 8 points9 points  (4 children)

      I like telling the story from years ago when I first started having some online success. I was on a date that wasn't clicking, but it was fun so I stayed out.

      I decided to "brag" about how I was matching with 4 women a week online I found attractive( there were several others each week I did not find attractive) If you only have time for 1-2 dates a week 4 new women weekly is actually an abundance.

      She was an 8 in looks and a 3 in personality. I found out during the date she invited me over to cook for because she had a DUI.

      As I am standing there she whips out her phone, opens POF, and hands it to me... well over 100 unread messages and several more came in as I was holding her phone LOL Of course it was an ego boost that a woman with so much opportunity had set up a date with me ;)

      98% of us are never going to be able to compete with how much attention even the below average women are getting online. You can still use online to create an abundance for your self though.

      [–]askmrcia 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      I found out during the date she invited me over to cook for because she had a DUI.

      LOL!!! I def laughed out loud at this. Ha

      98% of us are never going to be able to compete with how much attention even the below average women are getting online.

      Got a story for you. I matched with a chick on tinder who stated she was a single mom in her profile. Looked kind of chubby, but I was in a dry spell so whatever. We met up for Pizza and we got on the topic of our matches. Showed her mine and I think I only had three matches where the girls didn't even respond.

      She showed me hers and her results were endless. Oh it gets better because she said she thought that I deleted her matches. So she proposed that we both swipe right on everyone for at least five mins straight.

      We did. My results was nothing. Her results? She got a match for nearly every guy she swiped right on with the exception of very few. Then out of those matches, like at least 80% of those guys messaged her instantly.

      It was so bad that her phone died within about 15-10mins because it kept going off from all the notifications and messages.

      Again this woman was in no way was the 8 you just described. She was a 6 at best. So there's your example of a below avg or avg female.

      [–]Lsegundo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      She had endless matches and was out on a date with you. You're doing something right. Keep up the good work.

      [–]redpilledcuck 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      How is a 6 "below average"? Wouldn't that be a 4?

      [–]askmrcia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      She was average in looks. Below average because she was a single mom

      [–]nitefuzz[S] 64 points65 points  (15 children)

      I have the same issue. Many girls either will not respond, stop replying, or just aren't interested in meeting out on a Friday/Saturday night. Your Tinder profile needs to be on point, and make sure you stick to the flirty and fun method of chatting like I mentioned in my post!

      For perspective, I would say out of every 20 girls I message, I will end up fucking 1-2.

      [–]Gearski 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      I'm probably hitting a similar rate for girls that are receptive or even respond at all, but I've only managed to get a couple of girls over to fuck in the years I've been using tinder. I think my text game is pretty weak.

      Tinder profile needs to be on point

      I'm gonna change my age range and make a new profile with better pictures, cheers lad.

      [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

      Tinder is all about looks. I'm yet to see ugly fat men pulling chicks on Tinder with "text game". The rule is to look good and not being retarded.

      [–]MagicCharles 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      to be fair any guy within a couple standard deviations if the average won't get a success rate much higher than 15-20%, online or not, its usually lower on dating apps though, because of the inflated SMV girls perceive of themselves.

      [–]characterulio 4 points5 points  (10 children)

      I think the best advice you gave was about the bio not being basic regular shit like I love sports, travels or w.e hobbies you have. After I put more jokey and abstract bio I got way more matches.

      Also I am wondering what you think about body pics for guys who work out?

      I had one shirtless picture where I was kinda flexing in a gym mirror and one where I was in the beach shirtless. I never had those two pics together as too many shirtless pics and the girl thinks your generic brainless gym douchebag. But when I had the beach pic I feel like I got way more matches. Since beach is already romantic and makes them believe you are adventurous but also shows off your goods without you trying to show them off.

      [–]nitefuzz[S] 15 points16 points  (5 children)

      I took this idea from RSDMax, but the goal is to indirectly show off your body. For example, a friend taking a photo of you playing beach volleyball with your shirt off, or you holding a dog laughing while shirtless. The goal is to get girls to see your abs etc. without making it too "tryhard-y" or "douchey".

      [–]characterulio 8 points9 points  (4 children)

      Ya that is what I thought. I also would do some pumpup before taking those "natural pics". Also some guys think this too much or stupid but this what girls do IN ALL their pics. Most of their pics have been atleast taken 20 times.

      [–]1Jaereth 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Not to mention I mean, you take the pictures and you have them for the foreseeable future. Idk, never seemed like a waste to me to invest some time into cultivating a good image for yourself.

      [–]characterulio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Ya it is definitely a good thing to have good photos of yourself. I think many guys don't know how to take good pictures like women do. First off if you have any girl friend or sister they probably know how to take create pictures especially if they have a real camera.

      If not you can just search how to take good photos for men and you will find plenty of articles on how to take photos of yourself etc... You don't have to go full pro but not having basic ugly selfie pics is a good thing.

      [–]nitefuzz[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      I don't think it's stupid at all. I encourage guys to do whatever it takes to get pussy (within reason of course). Pump up before a photo, shave your chest hair, go to a stylist for your hair, whatever. 10,000 years ago cavemen would have picked food out of their teeth with a bone or spent hours making a shawl out of sabre-tooth tiger skin to impress a potential mate. It's the same idea now, just different tools and strategies.

      [–]characterulio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Ya good stuff and totally agree. I was saying for the guys who don't do any of this and complain they don't get any.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      Bios aren't that effective anymore now that you can check all photos without opening the full profile. Tinder's about looks more than ever.

      [–]characterulio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The thing is I do believe MOST girls will check bios. I think only guys would skip bios. Ya when the first pic you can tell the person is not attractive you skip but if the person is remotely even attractive you check all pics then bio.

      [–]DntPnicIGotThis 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      there are a lot of profiles that are bots in these apps and even more women who are just in it for attention/validation.

      try not to get your hopes high for any single one and come up with a "script" to play out after you get the initial response.

      your "script" should be what combination of replys and statements that have given you positive results in past on apps (learn from your failures of where you went wrong as you already have it in writing).

      get the number same day, over the course of 10 msg exchanges max. too much longer than that and you are placing yourself in her orbit 💫.

      don't let her play you off as someone who'd she'd like to be friends with. keep it classy yet flirty.

      on cell you can be more unique towards her but the goal is strictly to set up a date. follow the side bar teachings.

      bonus tip. if you get her number on a Monday or Tuesday, you can comfortably set something up for the coming weekend. Wednesday is a gamble.

      from my experience never try to set up a meeting for the coming weekend if you start talking via cell on Thursday or Friday because her weekend is likely already set.

      hope this helps. Questions please ask

      keep lifting.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      This. I've also come up with a "script" and it works wonders, especially because it saves you time. As for the dates, I'll usually set up for Tuesday/Wednesday and then again Friday/Saturday. That way if you don't fuck on the first date for whatever reason you're more likely fuck on the second one.

      [–]DntPnicIGotThis 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      exactly. Time is my most precious asset and women no matter how unique they say they are almost always respond the same way to certain key phrases.

      this is a way to draw them into your frame and when they are in thats when you go for the number.

      Always get their number. never give yours because it keeps you in control of what and when something happens next vs you having to wait for them to reach out and controling the narrative.

      [–]Casanova-Quinn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Aside from having a good profile and not sending boring messages, one of the keys things I've noticed is timing. WHEN you send your messages is important.

      In my experience, sending messages on Fridays or Saturdays have the worst response rates. This makes sense because she is likely out with friends enjoying herself. But not only that, it sub communicates that YOU are likely NOT out with friends enjoying yourself (unsocial beta behavior). If you were out at a bar/club you would be flirting with girls there, not on tinder.

      The best time time to message IMO is Sunday–Thursday after 6pm. This is the timeframe when most girls are sitting at home bored. Also not messaging before 6pm shows that you're a busy guy who handles his business during the day.

      [–]lovs2spuge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I think that is just the nature of apps like Tinder anymore. Some girls use it strictly as an ego boost/dop hit and thats it. They swipe right on a certain dude in hopes that he already swiped and they get their validation.

      For every girl that replies to my messages, probably 3 of them don't or stop replying after a few exchanges. I don't care. I don't want to jump through a shit ton of hoops just to fuck.

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        [–]Gearski 0 points1 point  (9 children)

        Somewhere slightly above average I guess, but does it really matter in context of Tinder? I thought it might be my pic since it's just a selfie, but I'm getting consistent matches so I don't know.

        [–]VirginPlaya 7 points8 points  (7 children)

        If you ain't hot, you ain't worth fucking, mate.

        Would you pass a 9 because she has a mirror selfie? Women don't either.

        [–]Gearski 0 points1 point  (6 children)

        Why match me at all then? I get 15-20 matches a week and maybe 10% of those will respond to the opener. I'm not ugly, probably a solid 7+ on facial aesthetics btw.

        [–]VirginPlaya 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        It could be many reasons: you're not attractive enough for a specific girl, a chick only has tinder for validation and chatting, she found some one else in the meanwhile, she was horny at the time of matching you, but now she isn't, she's in a bad mood, she forgot about you, her goddamn grandma died... who knows. It doesn't matter.

        Variety of reasons.

        To go all statistical on your ass. As far as I know the average closing rate is 1-5%. So if you not getting 1-2 dates a month then yes, there's something up.

        It could be your photos, looks, what you text chicks or how quick you go for a meet (too quick is as bad as too slow). The most important here is looks, though.

        [–]Gearski 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        how quick you go for a meet (too quick is as bad as too slow).

        This is a good point, I try to set the meet up ASAP, first conversation always. Tinder girls are the flakiest set of girls I've ever seen, they want weeks of text game before a meet seemingly and I'm just not prepared to do that. Maybe this shit just isn't for me. My IRL approaches are going good rn but reading all these stories about guys with a constant stream of new plates from dating apps makes you wanna try lol.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        It's about hormones, and hormones are... moonish. You gotta act on the moment.

        [–]Lsegundo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        maybe 10% of those will respond to the opener.

        maybe you need a better opener? I don't even know what my response rate is. 30% maybe? I don't even care because I end up with more replies than I can take out. ( I date maybe once or twice a week, sometimes not at all)

        [–]Gearski 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Maybe, I try to say something playful based on her bio/pics. What's your go to?

        [–]Brutal13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        https://youtu.be/-Z49ixqSFAE?t=140

        You need to look like him to slay on Tinder.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That's simply the way it is if you're average (i.e. not model looking or social media famous). I'm above average and get around 10 - 15 matches a day but been pulling 1 - 2 lays off of it every week. Not bad but if you put it into perspective, that's out of 100 matches per week.

        [–]vicious_armbar 52 points53 points  (50 children)

        The real question is on a scale from 1-10 how attractive are you? Some guys talk about how easy game is, and suggest that other men use a minimalist system. But the fact is that many of these guys can only get away with it because they're good looking.

        [–]assholeofthesky 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        This, Attractive pictures/guys are essential.

        [–]nitefuzz[S] 28 points29 points  (41 children)

        Honestly? I'm nothing too exceptional. 6'3", white, maybe a 7/10 face, and average/slim body. I am certainly above average but there are much better looking guys out there and they absolutely clean up 5x more than me.

        A big part of my success on Tinder is I'm willing to slightly drop my standards. The really attractive women will almost always stop replying or never match with me in the first place, so I tend to go for the next tier or two under them - women I would love to fuck but maybe not necessarily date.

        [–]RedPill115 111 points112 points  (4 children)

        I'm nothing too exceptional. 6'3".

        Height is to women like boobs are to guys.

        You're like a woman with perky d-cup boobs saying "oh but my hair is just such a mess I'm definitely not that attractive".

        You're right about how it works for you. I'm not saying you're lying or anything. But it's because your height makes you extremely attractive to women.

        [–]truedemocracy3 18 points19 points  (0 children)

        6'3 here as well. Some women absolutely get off on height like you can be ugly but tall and they are all in. I'd say that is a sizable minority of them (maybe 10-20%). The rest, to me at least, it doesnt seem like a huge benefit. IMO 6'1 is the perfect height, at 6'3 it's easy to be too tall. Also, harder to have gains from lifting

        [–]john2kxx 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        Heh, that's a great analogy. Height isn't always translated well in pictures, though.. Assuming he's not announcing his stats in his bio.

        [–]11010010061423171431 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Lol, did you read the post?

        [–]john2kxx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Yeah, I vaguely remember him mention that, but I didn't put it together for some reason until I went back and looked again.

        [–]RandyBumgardner85 47 points48 points  (3 children)

        Your height gives a pretty solid advantage. I've seen a lot of dating profiles and height is by far the most commonly stated physical requirement.

        Totally agree with the bit about attractive chicks. I have to bang down 2 points if I want regular action from Tinder. I've actually had 3 hot, young LTR's from online dating but it's basically just a fluke when you match one. Having just come out of an LTR with a solid 8 my dick is currently struggling with the prospect of getting excited for a 6 and the whole experience is causing my oneitis to creep back in.

        My theory is that the top 5% of guys right swipe the top 20% of girls and the top 20% of girls right swipe the top 5% of guys. The guys who's profile is in that top 5% and have solid game must be absolutely swimming in high quality pussy.

        [–]TheReformist94 62 points63 points  (0 children)

        He's 6'3 and white.theres your answer.

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          [–]RandyBumgardner85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I have always got most of my action from POF (years ago) and Tinder. I live in a small village, work alone and rarely go out so I work with what I've got. I used to pull girls at bars but I tend to drink a lot when I go out and my game gets sloppy so the quality was usually low.

          [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (6 children)

          6'3. Try to be bald and 5'8.

          [–]ChadTheWaiter100 6 points7 points  (3 children)

          I get laid very easily at 5’9, in fact I get selected over my 6’2 friend who is good looking. The difference between us? Besides his height, is that I have a more powerful dominant frame.

          [–]says_cabbage 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Not really sure how to ask this but, How do you work on your frame?

          Or how do I emulate that.

          [–]ChadTheWaiter100 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          First you have to understand it. Tbh I don’t remember where I found it but there are a lot of good examples here on trp.

          I actually watched an interview yesterday with a kid who had a powerful fucking frame. It was 6ix9ine’s interview on “the breakfast club”. Take a look at it and watch how this fucking kid just clowns on these idiots who are trying ever so desperately to make him look stupid. (Also note that the kid had rainbow hair and facial tats but he is a rapper so he can do whatever the fuck he wants)

          Examples of powerful frame in the video - -

          • Charlemagne asking a stupid question and 6ix9ines response is “no (quickly dismiss and then return to his point)

          • throughout the interview many people try to interrupt him and he handles it with “no no no!!” Or “no look” and commands the attention back to himself.

          • at the VERY beginning of the interview the other dj (not Charlemagne) asks him a question and 6ix9ine says “no I don’t want to start there.”

          To me it’s just a beautiful display of dominant frame and I LOVE seeing Charlemagne get trolled as do many others. But check it out for sure it’s on worldstar I can link it to you if you want.

          [–]john2kxx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Back and shoulder workouts.

          [–]psychyness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm not 5'8 but I'm bald and 5'11. I'm also not fit (just thin). And I still can pull girls (albeit not HB8+ but HB5-7 range). I feel like you could do the same if you were in good shape at your height. Most of it is just confidence/ngaf.

          [–]lifeisweirdasfuck 22 points23 points  (3 children)

          lol dude is 6'3"" and says "nothing too exceptional". For people below 5'10 like me there's like a 0.0001% of online dating success unless you have a pretty boy face.

          [–]SuperCrazy07 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          There's a guy (he's actually known as "Tinder Guy") who does Tinder dates all the time at the bar I frequent and he absolutely kills it and is like 5'9" or so, not ripped, and not particularly good looking.

          I have no idea how he gets the girls to show (waitresses have suggested he has professional photos), but I've personally watched him get girl after girl laughing, making out, and walking out the door with him.

          I saw someone else once recommend that if you're within an inch or two, put that you're 6ft in your profile...most girls are short and can't really tell.

          [–]nitefuzz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I do have height on my side, but sometimes I don't even include it in my bio. If you're short, either don't include it, or lie. Give yourself an extra two inches.

          [–]alphamystic 5 points6 points  (8 children)

          Im 6'2, shredded white and got a solid B&W photoshoot pic. After that pics in a business suit, tanktop, and with female friends. I get opened by girls, even models. Still it's time consuming. Much effort> low reward. Having the same small talk over and over is just tiring.

          [–]truedemocracy3 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          I'm not in that league but am 6'3 myself, workout daily so in good shape (not shredded but visible definition shirtless), dont have professional pictures but have pictures doing daring and adventures sporty type things.

          Agree that the effort isnt worth the reward. Getting laid is easy, and once you get to that point you realize it isnt worth obsessing over - would often rather have a chill night with friends or even read a book over validating myself with some rando girl again. And you become REALLY good at first dates, to the point where I go on like a serial dating auto-pilot of charisma.

          [–]calamalakos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I'm feeling you man. I don't know what's been up with my head but I'm allowing women to affect my mood too much. I've fucked tons of women but each new woman I fuck makes me happy for a short period of time and the ones I don't, make me upset.

          Lasting happiness generally comes from things within my control; finishing a good book, making money, time in the gym, time with friends, finishing a creative project.

          This wasn't really a question, just venting I guess.

          [–]washington_breadstix 2 points3 points  (5 children)

          As a guy who's never been successful with women, I would gladly put in that time if it meant I could smash constant (decently attractive) pussy. I mean, I'm not trying to piss and moan here, but I think guys have to actually experience abundance before they can get to a place where they say "Man, all these hot model women talking to me is so time consuming."

          [–]alphamystic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yes but they are still superficial. When i compliment them they lose interest. Also flaking/ ghosting

          [–]Lsegundo 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          I would gladly put in that time if it meant I could smash constant (decently attractive) pussy.

          Would you? How much time are you putting into the gym? Into your career? Women are side effects. When your physique, bank account, and frame are right women materialize out thin air. I have been slacking on the gym myself.

          [–]washington_breadstix 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          I go to the gym 4x per week including a personal training session weekly. I never understood the "work on your career to attract women" mantra. I'm not looking to be a beta bux. My end goal is to have women objectifying me and wanting me for casual sex. If I have a shredded body, Stacy isn't going to care what I do for a living.

          [–]Lsegundo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Owning a house is a plus, being well traveled is a plus, driving a nice car is a plus, etc. There is more to life than getting pussy.

          but yeah the better looking you are the less anything else matters and the easier it will be to have girls on their back an hour after meeting them.

          [–]TheReformist94 6 points7 points  (4 children)

          "honestly,I'm average,I'm 6'3 and white" literally shut the fuck up

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            [–]DntPnicIGotThis 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            being attractive is important but being masculine and Alpha in general will take you places as well.

            I see im being downvoted for speaking truth. but rather than tell you why I'm right ill wait for you to tell me why I'm wrong.

            [–]Lsegundo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Just showing up as a man has really increased my success. With all the PC spineless "men" out there women are starved for a dose of true masculinity.

            [–]DntPnicIGotThis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            truth. I see you SoCal 😉 btw

            [–]Brutal13 25 points26 points  (9 children)

            Thanks for the guide!

            How did you find the algorithm of Tinder? Does it have ELO rating, like in Dota/CSGO/Overwatch?

            [–]dmou 36 points37 points  (1 child)

            Does it have ELO rating, like in Dota/CSGO/Overwatch?

            They will never admit, but a lot of people claim that it does. And I wouldn't blame them, it makes sense.

            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            They do have scores for users, so that basically means there is a ELO score.

            [–]nitefuzz[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

            Tinder will never tell anyone, this is just what I've learned after reading lots of information out there and my own personal experience.

            [–]Me_ADC_Me_SMASH 15 points16 points  (2 children)

            I quit using Tinder a few years ago, and back then I was just swiping right everyone until I was out of likes. Number's game I thought (while it really just was my ugly ass).

            I've reinstalled it now because it's low effort medium reward. But this time I swipe left on a lot of chicks because I frankly would rather do something other than get my dick wet in them. I noticed that I am able to swipe right a LOT more. Tinder cares about your ratio of swipe right/left, and they block you if you act like a bot basically.

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              [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

              (if you’re an ugly dude, you’d be better off with day/night game and skipping the apps altogether)

              LOL. As stats have shown, females perceive as "below average" (= to be avoided) circa 80% of men on dating apps. So it's not "ugly"; it's if you aren't in the top 20% for looks.

              [–]GainzdalfTheWhey 18 points19 points  (2 children)

              My main issue and a reason i sometimes want to quit is because they all look 5-10kg fatter in real life than in pics.

              [–]thesmithofwords 49 points50 points  (1 child)

              I have just stopped swiping on chicks without full-body pics. Any girl with only facial or shoulder up shots is 100% a landwhale in my experience.

              [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              exactly. its a dead giveaway. been like that since myspace days. sometimes they'll sneak a very well angled full body pic in there too where i have to do a double take. but usually you can spot something out of place and disproportionate

              [–]mostmodest- 14 points15 points  (7 children)

              Like this but hate clubbing haha.

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

              Feel free to swap clubbing with a bar or drinks with friends. Or, learn to like clubbing! If you go out with good people and are confident, it makes for a really good night. I personally hated clubbing from age 19-23, but when I dumped my LTR and became single for the first time in 5 years, I learned to love it quite quickly.

              [–]nawatcrow20 1 point2 points  (5 children)

              Any tips if you’re underage (can’t legally drink)?

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Unfortunately for you my man, you will have to stick with coffee/normal dates for a few more years. Or, you could swap clubbing with house parties if that's your current scene.

              [–]nawatcrow20 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              House parties are an option I didn’t think of that, thanks

              [–]Lsegundo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              What do you like to do? I like outdoorsy stuff and often just take women on a hike or out on the water.

              [–]MrGreySD 12 points13 points  (6 children)

              Great guide man. I am a seasoned online dater myself and this is the best (and closest to my experiences) that I've read.

              My flaw is that I hate clubs. I have bad hearing and they're not my natural environment. Used to do restaurant dates all the time and then TRP explained why they're bad. I tend to do quiet to reasonable noise level bars now.

              [–]unquenchable53 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Assuming you split the bill, why are restaurant dates bad?

              [–]MrGreySD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              They aren't strictly bad. But you're often sat far apart and there's not much opportunity for kino. Messes up the natural flow. Slightly formal. Etc.

              [–]hugeandhungry 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Been on Tinder for a few years and it's basically my only outlet for dating. I'm 44 and don't fit well into the pub or club scene. I've done very well on Tinder in my time having slept with hundreds of girls. (32 girls this year alone). I usually fuck 2-3 different girls a week from Tinder. The oldest I'll go is 35 and that's on a rare occasion. Mostly I get girls in the mid 20's range and sometimes luck out and pull an 18 or 19 year old. I've had two occasions when couples have messaged me to fuck the girl in front of the guy. One was 18 and the other was 25.

              I'd concur with most of the advice given here and for a younger guy, it's golden. Tinder game is VERY hard in my small city in Australia where the girls are renown for being some of the most bitchiest on the planet. I do very well with tourists or girls from other countries.

              When I travel, Tinder has been amazing and I've had some incredible sexual romps where whole days and nights have been filled with an endless rotation of pussy coming and going from my hotel room.

              I joined Tinder Gold when it first came out, so I pay 7 dollars a month, get the daily 5 superlikes and 1 boost a week. I've noticed this has changed for users who have signed up later, but it really helps my odds. as I don't have to swipe as much as I can see who's swiped me first. The Boosts are great and I can get 20-30 matches in a half hour with more trickling in over the week.

              I'm very short 5'5 while the average guy towers over me at 6 foot. I'm mid 40s but have kept myself in good shape over the years by not drinking, not taking drugs and getting my sleep in. Being short kills my chances with lots of girls, particularly short asses or asians. When asked my height, even if I lie and say 5'7, I generally get deleted. But I do very well with girls who are taller as they don't seem to mind - the last few were all 6 feet tall.

              I go VERY direct after a message or two to save me the time of getting stuck in go nowhere conversations. Snapchats are exchanged and I send them pics of my body (I'm a competitive bodybuilder) and short vids of me fucking. Yes, I don't know why this works, but I have found that most girls really go for it and they either send vids or pics back in return. Sexual texting has led to many late night chats ending with her coming over (or inviting me over) and fucking, so don't be afraid to push the boundaries

              I RARELY waste time with dates or meets. It's come over and fuck, or hit the bricks. The reason being is that coffee or drinks is a chemistry killer they've done many times before and it's just an opportunity for them to disqualify you. When I've shown up to dates on the past, I see the flash of disappointment in girls' eyes, because I'm not tall, I can't compete lookswise with the younger guys and most importantly, you can NEVER live up to the fantasy that girls build up in their head over what you will be like in real life. Therefore, DON'T waste a lot of time getting stuck in long convos or pointless drinks dates.

              Instead, I get girls to come straight over and as soon as I meet them at the front door, I begin making out and tearing off clothes.

              Another strange thing is that the best girls, the 10's I've met on Tinder have ALWAYS been super direct about meeting up and coming over to fuck. I have had some of my best sexual experiences with amazing looking women who have straight up asked me to come over and dominate them.

              I go into every fuck with the mindset that this is going to be my last fuck on earth and I make sure I murder that pussy. I'm shit at most things in life, but sex isn't one of them it seems.

              I could write pages about this stuff and my experiences, but things are already long enough. I have noticed that Tinder have really fucked with the algorithm lately making things MUCH harder. Girls are also wising up and being even more selective, or switching to other apps like Bumble which gives them more control.

              [–]Twentyfivedeep 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Another thing I'll add about the algorithm: Back in the day, swiping literally everyone and just deleting the nasty ones (or keeping them if they messaged you, as I'm pretty sure the algorithm takes response rate into account) seemed to be the best way to maximise matches (even once eliminating the ones you wouldn't have swiped under normal conditions). When I started using it again recently, I noticed I get by far the most matches if I simply don't swipe at all the first 2 or 3 days, and after that limit it to a very small number each day. You're completely right about new accounts, Tinder seems to want to suck in the new users, and force the old ones into buying boost by tinkering with the algorithms.

              [–]midgetpooooo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              There's no secret guide. You just look attractive and out of the thousands of chicks who see your profile some will find you attractive. Of those some you will talk to and they will be dtf. There's no secret, it's just luck. You make your own luck by being attractive and steering the conversation towards a meetup and number close. You don't even think about it, these girls are not real until you meet them so don't waste a thought on them.

              [–]assholeofthesky 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              I see tinder, i leave.

              low effort for an ugly guy? thanks!

              [–]AshWebster 6 points7 points  (5 children)

              If i hadnt experienced this 2nd account Tinder syndrome I would have caled bullsh*t, but after forgetting my old password i made a new one with a different email, switched up the photos and did bits of what OP has described.

              Lots more matches on this one.. Removed the bio and just put in stupid one liners.

              And like he says .. 5 mins a day MAX swiping.. Dont get steaming and swipe all out every day - my old account was a ghost town

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

              Many people don't realise just how much is happening on the back-end of Tinder. It's not random. Think about it, you're a guy creating a Tinder profile for the first time. Tinder is gonna give you the maximum chance of matching with as many people as possible. Why? Because their end game is getting you to buy their "Tinder Plus" subscription. You're more inclined to do this if you match with a ton of people.

              Vice versa, every swipe, match, unmatch, or superlike is taken into consideration, and Tinder uses this to either promote or punish your account.

              [–]Mr-Ed209 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Absolutely right. Me and a buddy figured this out while traveling and using the whole boost feature was the only way we could ever get matches to come through. Nothing for days, then boost to see sometimes 20 matches come in at once.

              Not only that but the matches you do get through it are waay hotter chicks. As if the algorithm knows to reward paying customers with the most right swiped chicks. It's digital pimpery!

              [–]steveblahhh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I still get about 3-4 matches whenever I swipe. Think it would be worth it to change? I heading to FL in a couple days and was planning on using the Gold membership for a month to set up a few meets.

              [–]Lsegundo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              go for it. It's $20 you can do it for a month and line up some potential dates the week before you get there.

              I used gold before a vacation last year. I setup 2 dates in 4 nights I was there. The women I banged I met at the bar though.

              [–]Mr-Ed209 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              Good write up and good tactics.

              It really pays to be smart on Tinder and time your matches for peak times and read your audience. I'll admit i waste too much time on it idly swiping and starting up convos with no real intent.

              One theory id put forward is being able to read the 'buying temperature' on girls and how it is so important. For cute chicks in their early 20s your club tactic is ideal. Many younger women just dont do one on one dates, they dont have to. They're just not going to risk the potential awkwardness of an encounter alone with a stranger. They can barely take a piss by themselves let alone doll up and catch a cab to meet some random. They also live active social lives, likely at college with big friend circles and feel 'above' conventional dating. They are however likely down to meet you in a club with the social security of their friends. It also plays more favorably to their ASD if they let all their friends know that you guys have been 'like talking for a week' on tinder.

              It's sucks, but to bag the hot 20 y/o's your going to have to bow to social pressure somewhat and meet more on their terms. If your games tight enough upon meeting them you stand a good shot of taking them home.

              One on one dating works best with girls over 25. These are the chicks who are living somewhat isolated lives. Stuck in a job that they ain't to keen on, surrounded by the same squares day to day. In my experience they're normally pretty receptive to mid week drinks and are generally a pretty sure bet for a lay.

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              This. Younger chicks simply aren’t willing to go on a date with some rando off of Tinder. They already have an army of thirsty men after them in real life. I say this being a 23 year old attractive dude (10 - 15 matches per day). I can only pull 23+ pussy on Tinder. Any hot chick below that age down for a date is probably batshit insane (that’s my experience at least).

              [–]XCKCX 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              I’m surprised that line works, it isn’t even clever. You’re probably better looking than average if you’re getting numbers with that.

              [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

              The world is full by good-looking people who care to believe they are "great at game" and good gamers who strive to believe they are good-looking.

              We tend to underrate our strong assets, and overrate our weak sides, and it's a psychologically normal attitude. OP is likely doing that too.

              [–]korean-bible 2 points3 points  (7 children)

              This guy is right about Tinder's algorithms. Rest of the guide is too much high effort.

              Look:

              1. It's all your photos. Yes, looks matter, but I mean your photos, damnit. You can "think" you're ugly, improve your photos, and get 10x more matches. Because it really wasn't you, but the photos, that were crap. NO SELFIES. And there are more detailed guides to this.

              2. Just act normal while texting. NOT SUPER MACHO AYE WANT SOME FUK. Not a pussywhipped pussy either. Think: Fun guy. With options. Where do you want to travel? Cool cool. What do you do for fun? Cool cool. Let's meet for coffee or the bar. Throw "shit tests" out the window. She says she's going to be 5 minutes late? "No prob" ... not ... oh my gawd I need to alpha dawg this ho! UNACCEPTABLE YOU SLUT!!! Nope, just remain calm. You're trying to get laid here.

              3. Nothing wrong with a coffee date. Usually the lay chances are lower though. Just get a drink or two on a Sunday-Thursday night at a classy bar. (Fri-Sat, uh... you shouldn't act like you or her or free ... LOSERS ... lol but seriously those are high value nights ... not for first dates). Then plow her (that's what I do). "Club game" on Friday or Saturday? Meh. Fuck that. Firstly you're introducing your social circle to a "new bitch" - you going to do that every weekend? Have Tinder floosies show up near your boys and have them watch? Low value. Also, the club = competition. Lots of shiny things and dudes. And not every bimbo on Tinder is a club chick. Why "invite" a Tinder chick to "da club" with 300 thirsty dudes? Like invest an hour or two of work (and too loud to talk) for what you can do with ... the 100 bimbos in front of your face!! If you're going to invest effort in a Tinder chick, take her on a date to a classy bar. Zero competition.

              "cutie" -- Yeah I cringe at this word. Yikes.

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

              No offence, but this reply was slightly autistic. Your number 3 point is just straight up retarded. If you introduce a "new bitch" to your boys and social group every weekend, they're all going to think you're the ultimate player and your SMV will go through the roof.

              Rest of the guide is too much high effort.

              Ok, I'll lay out the math:

              • 10 minutes setting up a new Tinder profile

              • 5 minutes per day of swiping/copying and pasting the same messages = 35 minutes a week

              • Let's say another 5 minutes of texting to meet up at whatever bar/club you're already at

              = 40 minutes total

              VS

              • Traditional date, where it probably takes 40 minutes AT LEAST to get ready and travel to the date location. Then, another 1-2 hours of awkward date conversation before you MAYBE get to fuck.

              = ~2-3 hours

              [–]emf41 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Your number 3 point is just straight up retarded. If you introduce a "new bitch" to your boys and social group every weekend, they're all going to think you're the ultimate player and your SMV will go through the roof.

              If you're not banging the girl that won't happen. This also applies to fucking girls in a social circle too, fuck one, you have a good shot at fucking others, but get shut down by one, and you won't get anywhere with the others. Women see being introduced to guys as a huge deal, if you've done it on date one, it's gonna make her feel cheap...I know guys who used to do this 10 years ago and they still don't get laid and are single.

              Traditional date, where it probably takes 40 minutes AT LEAST to get ready and travel to the date location. Then, another 1-2 hours of awkward date conversation before you MAYBE get to fuck.

              If it takes you 40 minutes to get ready for a date, you're doing it wrong. Besides, it takes you the same amount of time if not more to get ready to go clubbing. Plus, if you like the girl at the club, you still gotta talk to her, dance with her, isolate her, get her to your house in a taxi, which all takes lots of time.

              You also haven't factored in expensive drinks, covers, cabs, whereas the most you may spend on a coffee is $5 at a Starbucks or some hip coffee shop...clubbing adds up and quickly burns a hole in your wallet.

              [–]RedPill115 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              I'm nothing too exceptional. 6'3".

              Height is to women as boobs are to guys.

              You're equivalent a woman with perky d-cup boobs saying "oh but my hair is just such a mess I'm definitely not that attractive".

              You're right about how it works for you. I'm not saying you're lying or anything. But it's because women see your height as very attractive.

              [–]leselfhelpmeme 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              wow this will work great with my pickup line flow chart

              [–]zealanderx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Right.

              Maybe we can compare notes.

              I have an excel spreadsheet logging all interactions with women, via cell, online platform or in the field, aka "IRL".

              Essentially my spreadsheet is a goal seeking algorithm for a way to most efficiently attain the feelz. This OP message obviously be integrated with all my 8 different tinder profiles, each carefully selected to emulate a different variety of chad to see which females respond best to. I will report back with findings...

              [–]SlyFoxHound1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Good post my man. Noticed we are in the same area, actually moving to the valley soon haha

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Well if you see a girl buying a tall guy in a white shirt a drink, it might be ya boy u/nitefuzz haha!

              [–]FreshWhile 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Step 1: be good looking

              Step 2: don't not be good looking

              [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              i have two pics. empty profile. usually by 3rd text i get her number. i go straight to the point. no idiotic pick up lines.

              [–]JanMichaelVincent_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Informative post. Thank you

              [–]R41nmaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Thanks for this post. Some good stuff here.

              [–]warhawk109 1 point2 points  (5 children)

              This is a great guide if you’re already a social butterfly with lots of people to go out with. I need a guide for empty inside, and hates people.

              Good tips about profile I will definitely incorporate.

              [–]BillyBones8 2 points3 points  (3 children)

              This is a great guide if you’re already a social butterfly with lots of people to go out with.

              Exactly. I don't go out with friends often and I hate clubs. This guy sounds like an extroverted "bloke" or "bogan" type who probably would be hitting on girls all night in the club anyway.

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Actually, I'm more of an introvert. After spending the whole night or day with people I like to chill out and recharge alone in my apartment/bedroom for a long time. Also, I have a degree and am white collar, so I'm as far from the bloke/bogan stereotype as can be.

              [–]BillyBones8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Fair enough mate, sounds like you have a balanced life.

              [–]warhawk109 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              There are some good things in here to be sure. It just helps if you have all that social proof stuff to begin with. Doesn’t help if you are a non-drinker, or a non-dancer.

              This is also a guide for those that live within a city.

              My biggest pet peeve right now is that, while yes, I don’t live within the city, I live in a bedroom community outside the city. Most of my matches are going to live in the city. “Oh you’re really far” get that excuse a lot, even though my distance really isn’t that different from one side of the city to the other, in some cases even closer.

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              A lot of the hookups with girls happened with a single wingman, no big group needed. The group stuff only really started happening a few months later when my social group expanded.

              [–]HavelBro_Logan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I don’t really like clubs, got any other suggestions that can be fun?

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              [–]nitefuzz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Keep it mysterious. Although, my Tinder profile has the University I attend on it (automatically came through from my Facebook account).

              [–]PurpleDrank88 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              When you say you add a new plate every three weeks are you saying you hook up with a girl off an app every 3 weeks? Or that you decide one of the girls is worthy of being a multiple hook up plate?

              Where did you get your information on the algorithms? Haven't used dating apps in awhile because I got bored with them, but last time I checked all of this stuff on the apps' respective algorithms is all theory with no confirmation.

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              When you say you add a new plate every three weeks are you saying you hook up with a girl off an app every 3 weeks? Or that you decide one of the girls is worthy of being a multiple hook up plate?

              Generally I will fuck a new girl off Tinder every 2-3 weeks. I solely used the method above, and rarely go on "normal" dates. When I fuck a new girl, I can almost always plate them. Although I choose not to for a lot of them.

              I wrote this guide about 6 months ago, and while I still do it from time to time, my social group and status has grown a lot since then and I am finding I naturally attract women more so than before. People started to realise I was fucking a lot of women, and now some of my female friends/plates have started calling me a "fuckboy" (which just increases your SMV to be quite honest). But, I never would have got to this level without fucking loads of women off Tinder.

              Where did you get your information on the algorithms? Haven't used dating apps in awhile because I got bored with them, but last time I checked all of this stuff on the apps' respective algorithms is all theory with no confirmation.

              Youtube videos, word of mouth, other guides on the internet, personal experience. It's all theory with no confirmation because Tinder will never, ever admit or release information proving it, unless some programmer blew the whistle (which they can't because they're under NDAs).

              [–]Lsegundo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The moment Tinder releases their formula people would game it. Machine learning is very hot right now. I 100% Guarantee Tinder does some thing behind the scenes to try to make the app more appealing.

              I am sure Bumble front loads the most attractive women. I get a serious of 8-9s at first when I haven't been there for a few days. Why wouldn't they want the best looking women to pop up every time a guy logs on? It makes the guys like it more, which makes them use it more, which makes Bumble money

              [–]RedPilledGodEmperor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              You can always just find a way to invite them over or go to their place. while not as many chicks will be interested, the ones that are interested will be DTF. When I get my own place, I will just invite chicks over.

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              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Your Facebook friend count doesn’t affect your Tinder score as far as I know. It’s simply the fact that Tinder’s algorithm changed overtime to make (most) men pay for it to get matches.

              [–]ChadTheWaiter100 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              This is well written and very detailed. How do you get them to buy you a drink?

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              "I know you love me, but if you truly loved me you'd buy me a drink." (with smirk on face)

              "You get the first round and I'll get the second round." (and then never get the second round)

              "So you lost the dance off, looks like you have to buy me a drink."

              "I'll cook you breakfast in the morning if you buy me a drink, deal?"

              Honestly can be any number of lines, they're usually just so shocked that a dude is asking them for a drink that anything will do.

              [–]ChadTheWaiter100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Those are all good and creative. Noted. Thanks.

              [–]mediandirt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Say, " You should buy me a drink". With a smirk on your face.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The algorithm stuff here is liquid gold, I’ve gotten 5x more matches while being shitfaced in Tenerife than sitting at home swiping constantly with a big age range.

              [–]kingbraderz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              Where’s this sidebar I’ve seen people mention? I’m on the mobile app so maybe that makes a difference? Also fairly new to using Reddit regularly that could be why

              [–]RxDrugEvent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Don't worry, the first step to swallowing the red pill is locating the sidebar. You're making good progress.

              [–]WillisJackson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Tap the 3 dots in the upper right corner "..." and then tap community info

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              [–]nitefuzz[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I'm more of a Prohibition kind of guy.

              [–]panconquesofrito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Damn females are this super f* complex pursuit. Fuck that specie!

              [–]Wheresmyswag 0 points1 point  (6 children)

              Great guide. Few questions: what’s the best way to not have it be a club meet up? I’m not 21 yet so club/bar is out and I’m not big on going out like that regardless (bad hearing). Is there any way to go right from pickup line-bullshit convo-close? I get through 1 and 2 then fumble moving to 3 without a party.

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

              If clubs, bars, and parties are out, then you're really only left with your normal dates. Sometimes I will say something like "No one's ever beaten me at mini golf, reckon you could come close?" and then lead into a mini golf date or whatever. Just keep the conversation exactly like I did in my example screenshots - the location and type of the date doesn't really matter.

              [–]Wheresmyswag 0 points1 point  (4 children)

              Sounds good. Thanks my dude.

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              Some more advice, you will find it harder than usual because of your age, especially on Tinder. Don't let it get you down. I remember when I was 19-20, and I was an absolute gimp around women due to inexperience compared to what I am now.

              I'm 24 now, and myself and guys my age actively target women around your age range. Vice versa, women also prefer men 2-4 years older than them. So, you now have to compete with older guys like me who usually have their own place, have graduated college and earn decent money, and have 5-6 years of experience with adult dating/social situations etc. Sometimes I will meet a 20 year old woman in a club, and her 20 year old guy friends will act very weirdly knowing that they just can't compete. I'm not trying to brag or anything, but I wish someone had told me this when I was your age. If you stick with TRP and test things like the guide I wrote above, once you reach my age and get experience, you'll be absolutely killing it (more than me, I only really started at 23). The best part is that even 24 is super young for a guy - it's basically the very beginning of our SMV curve (we mature, our looks develop, our wealth starts increasing etc.). Women my age almost exclusively date guys in the 28-32 range now. Future is looking good man.

              [–]Wheresmyswag 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              Damn, more sage advice. So, I should be targeting 18-19 year olds and lowering my age range from 18-23 to like 18-21? I’m a month away from 21 atm.

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Yes, personally I would set your age range at 18-21. I still match and fuck women my own age, but I find that it's mostly 21/22 year old women I match with and end up meeting the most.

              [–]Lsegundo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Set your age to 33 - 40 Mrs Stifler is out there! hahahha

              Seriously make sure you get some good kino in at mini golf, tease her for being a crappy golfer. Tell her you're going to switch it up (to a different sport) because she is so bad at golf. Then tell her to go play goalie while you pretend its hockey. Don't shoot her in the face... at least until later on that night ;)

              [–]AlQWEffos239 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              What about if your still developing (269 pounds), is it still a good idea to use tinder.

              [–]SavvyMillennial 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yea the key is to get the number and set a meeting. Even for a nerd like me I was able to get a date rather quickly. Most of you look far better than me and have more swag so it should be no problem for you.

              [–]kingbraderz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              See thank you my issue was I was tapping on them while in a post has to be done from the main community page appreciate it!

              [–]GainzdalfTheWhey 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Ok so you text a bunch of girls where you are? what if 2+ show up?

              [–]nitefuzz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Pick the best one! Pretend to "drunkenly" lose the other girl and try to get her back next week so you can slam her too.

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