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Red Pill ExampleWife had threesomes, lied to husband about it. He found out and handled it in the most RedPill way. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

TL;DR of original thread: Wife had multiple MMF gangbangs in college, then met a "nice guy" to settle down with afterwards. Didn't mention anything about her past to her husband. He found out through a mutual friend and was shocked.


Well, she updated today. After much reflection, her husband handled the situation by maintaining perfect frame and taking decisive action. I'll let her words speak for themselves:

Basically he feels that he was "conned" (his word) into the marriage, saying that he wouldn't have even dated me, let alone married me, if he'd known what he knows now. His view of me has been irreparably changed and he no longer sees me "as someone worthy of being [his] wife". (quoting him here... fucking prick) Beyond the sexual aspect, he says he no longer trusts me because I "kept something this big" from him our whole relationship. Nothing I could do or say could convince him that these were past mistakes and not reflective of who I am today. He wasn't angry with me, didn't call me a slut or anything like that. Never once raised his voice. Part of me wishes he did, although I can't exactly say why right now. It felt like I was being laid off from a job.

She wanted him to yell and scream like a beta who's not in control of his emotions. She wanted him to display weakness so she'd feel better about herself.

But he didn't. He remained calm, stoic and in control the whole time - causing her to fall into self doubt and confusion. Well played, sir.

My husband owns multiple businesses and wouldn't get married without a prenup. I signed it, honest-to-god thinking we'd never, EVER have to use it. Well, he had the fucking document with him this morning. He said he'd pay off the remainder of my student loans, which he isn't "legally obligated" to do. While I appreciate that, I am going to meet with my lawyer this week and see if the agreement can be challenged in court.

Smart guy to get a prenup before getting married. Notice that the woman STILL wants to challenge it in court. Even after lying to her own spouse about sexual deviancy, even after he agreed to pay off her loans in an act of generosity, her greed can't be fulfilled. She wants more. She wants half his money and his business.

The lesson of this story is twofold. 1) Don't allow your emotions to rule you - rule your emotions instead. Notice how his maintenance of frame led to him having the upper hand in their social interaction. 2) GET A FUCKING prenup. If you absolutely must get married (which is a terrible idea according to most established RedPillers here)... if you absolutely must tie yourself down legally and financially... have a backup plan. Women don't need this, the courts are already stacked in their favor. But we do, because men are the ones who make the money and innovate through business. And therefore men are the ones who are targeted when it comes time to split assets during a divorce.

Bonus quote just posted a few minutes ago:

It's totally a troll post. Reads like a Redpill fantasy. No way a real woman manages to fit every one of their sick stereotypes.

This is the beta's way of coping with reality. Examples of women behaving badly? Must be a RedPill troll! Such an easy explanation for every bit of evidence that we manage to throw at them.


[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin 391 points392 points  (43 children)

She wanted him to yell and scream like a beta who's not in control of his emotions. She wanted him to display weakness so she'd feel better about herself.

She wanted him to hand her a Victim Card. He didn't and she's pissed that her easy-out hasn't appeared.

Edit: I agree with the commenters. It's very matter of fact and straightforward. It reads like a guy wrote it.

[–]reasonableman1 72 points73 points  (16 children)

Yea, it is surprising that she isn't blaming everything on him. It isn't what I would expect from a woman getting her just deserts. I think it is very suspect.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 144 points145 points  (15 children)

Also... she's downplaying her biggest offense:

She told him she was a virgin. He had zero sexual experience.

So when they had sex, he thought it was a really big deal. So the marriage really never would have happened if she had told the truth. She played him, plain and simple.

[–]RatherPlayChess 170 points171 points  (12 children)

See, THIS makes the entire ordeal make sense. I couldn't wrap my head around why a happily married man who finds out that his wife had a threesome would divorce her. It just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.... Finding out your wife had threesome(s) when she claimed to be a virgin is a huge fucking deal.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (10 children)

I remember reading the original bit on RP about this and didn't see anything about her saying she was a virgin then either. Hell I even skimmed the original text and didn't see it there.

My point is are we positive she claimed to be a virgin? It would make more sense certainly I simply don't remember seeing that.

[–]strps 29 points30 points  (6 children)

The lied-about-being-virgin part was made up by someone in the thread after the post was deleted, because no one could figure out why multiple threesomes in the past could lead to a divorce.

[–]reasonableman1 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I think it would push him strongly in that direction if it was a pattern of being more sexually giving with other people, but very stingy with him.

[–]SampSimps 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I don't recall it being as serious as lying about being a virgin, but she significantly downplayed her sexual history (only a few serious relationships, vanilla sex, etc.). Also, maybe I'm getting this confused with another similar story, but there might have something about her refusing the husband blowjobs, but she used to do them freely.

The more I think about it, that last part might have actually been the guy who found out about his wife's amateur porn past based on a link someone sent him of a video showing his wife giving a blowjob on camera.

[–]diversity_is_racism 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I couldn't wrap my head around why a happily married man who finds out that his wife had a threesome would divorce her.

Sane men don't marry whores.

[–]random_reddit_accoun 59 points60 points  (9 children)

It reads like a guy wrote it.

According to the gender analyzer here:

http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.php#Analyze

The post is "weak female" on both rating types.

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    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Any history on the lady OP to verify if real?

    [–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 16 points17 points  (4 children)

    Yup, total troll post, that whole thing.

    [–]rpkarma 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    Yeah. Even I think it reads like a TRP fantasy. But, this can and does happen, so I'll withhold judgement at this point as to whether or not it is a troll post.

    [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 68 points69 points  (0 children)

    Well, he had the fucking document with him this morning. He said he'd pay off the remainder of my student loans, which he isn't "legally obligated" to do. While I appreciate that, I am going to meet with my lawyer this week and see if the agreement can be challenged in court.

    And straight to the money drawer. Typical.

    [–]Squeezymypenisy 163 points164 points  (77 children)

    Did you read the last part? She is trying to get his prenup thrown out in court. She thinks she is owed something for spending the last 5 years with him. I doubt her effort will succeed. The top comments are against her though. Damn he maintained good frame.

    [–]bat_mayn 132 points133 points  (34 children)

    She thinks she is owed something for spending the last 5 years with him.

    This is what a lot of women think of men. I mean really, what does it say about a woman who think she's owed reparations for being in a relationship with someone?

    [–][deleted] 94 points95 points  (6 children)

    Women think of marriage as just legalized prostitution. Sexuality for them is fundamentally transactional in nature. This has probably always been the case but the modern world has pushed it to extreme levels.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 31 points32 points  (3 children)

    If it was legalized prostitution then the sex wouldn't stop when the honeymoon was over.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    So you're saying it's like the man is paying half his life's work for what could potentially be nothing at all?

    It's almost like marriage is a sham used to screw men over.

    [–]foomfoomfoom 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    That's called "the pension plan."

    [–]evoblade 55 points56 points  (0 children)

    Women think of marriage as just legalized prostitution

    Not just legalized, but state-enforced.

    Not all marriage is like that, but if you don't work, have a nanny, a maid, a cook and consider your occupation "socialite", guess what? You are prostitute. An escort with a long-term, state enforced contract to exchange sex/companionship/time for money.

    [–]Dravous 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    this is why she's so upset. she traded the last of her prime breeding years to him, which was the primary source of value she had to bargain with and now she's getting nothing for it.

    the problem, however, is that she committed fraud at the beginning by misrepresent the product she was offering....not unlike a car with tampered odometer.

    [–]Squeezymypenisy 16 points17 points  (21 children)

    It's probably where the idea of "50% of your wealth going to the woman" idea came from. And alimony. Thank god that doesn't exist where I live in the States.

    [–]Titan5000 17 points18 points  (20 children)

    Where do you live, and how is the job market?

    [–]Squeezymypenisy 9 points10 points  (19 children)

    Texas, and seems to be doing well depending on your field. Maybe not oil and gas anymore. And I was wrong, Texas does have a type of alimony, but its much different from California's and other states and does not last for long.

    [–]817682 9 points10 points  (3 children)

    This might be helpful:

    http://www.divorcenet.com/states/texas/txfaq01

    TX is not a divorce paradise for men.

    [–]bustanutmeow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Could I get a TL;DR for non lawyer types?

    [–]CrimsonDeep 4 points5 points  (13 children)

    Time for me to move to Texas

    [–]1 TRP SupporterFred_Flintstone 8 points9 points  (11 children)

    There are a lot of tech jobs in Austin. Normal people who are sick of the crazy SanFran liberals tend to move there.

    [–]NakedAndBehindYou 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    For fuck's sake don't encourage people to keep moving to Austin. The traffic has gotten bad enough as it is.

    [–]Squeezymypenisy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Not to mention all of the companies moving offices or opening new ones in Dallas. Toyota, Raytheon, At and T

    [–]Titan5000 11 points12 points  (31 children)

    Maybe not the place to ask, but what are the circumstances to a prenup being thrown out in court, if there are any? I would assume things like infidelity/assault or something along those lines. I've heard that prenups are not airtight - what's the best way to ensure maximum effectiveness?

    [–]mrp3anut 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Prenups are typically considered to be not "air-tight" because people get them for stupid reasons.

    1) Nothing will protect assets gained during marriage. So if you earn it after the wedding day but have a pre-nup stating zero alimony, and you get all property purchased with your paycheck it will be thrown out since you cant sign away marital property before you gain it.

    2) You cannot force your spouse into homelessness with a prenup. So even if all your wealth was from pre marriage you cannot legal give her nothing if she spent 10 years raising your kids and has no jobs skills now.

    3) Dont put stupid petty shit in a pre-nup. "I get all her lingerie." is petty, kinda weird and is an avenue of attack for a divorce lawyer.

    4) Make sure she gets her own lawyer, and that there is a reasonable amount of time, 6+ months, from the time the pre-nup talk is officially started to when she actually signs it.

    5) Consult a reputable lawyer that works in divorce law before you think about marriage or even talk about prenups with the bride to be.

    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 32 points33 points  (12 children)

    Additionally - prenup has to be very early. You can't spring it on her last minute. That would count as duress for some bizarre fucked up reason.

    Weird that failure to disclose all assets counts against you.

    Just. Do. Not. Marry.

    [–]68461674897051454980 14 points15 points  (11 children)

    if it's any time near the wedding, it can easily be thrown out. if she did not consult legal counsel, it can and probably will be thrown out. if the judge views the terms as unfair, it can be thrown out. if it was around what a lawyer can say is some other major time in her life (dad was sick, dog was lost, wedding planning etc) it can be thrown out. the lawyer can also try to prove that she was coerced into signing it, especially by some financial threat (sign it or i'll kick you out). i would think that the more unfairly the judge views the terms, and we know how judges are today, the more ridiculous excuse they'll accept to throw out the prenup

    she is also still legally 'entitled' to her full alimony payments (lol).

    prenups are garbage, word to the wise would be to do some research because there are much better protection options out there depending on what you do, it sounds like this guy could have taken advantage of them and been 100% protected. Sucks for him, hopefully it works out

    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    if it was around what a lawyer can say is some other major time in her life (dad was sick, dog was lost, wedding planning etc) it can be thrown out.

    I want to get marriage thrown out because the guy was under some stress (work is difficult, dealing with bridezilla, feeling horny)

    [–]whataboutudummy 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    Please, please share links or more info or a point in the direction to these methods more fool proof (between the women and the gov, we need it to be fools proofed).

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (11 children)

    This article is a good summary: Link

    [–]Titan5000 26 points27 points  (10 children)

    Unbelievable - so you can't validate a prenup on the grounds that your wife gets fat and gross/withholds sex per section 5? She's not even the same person that you married at that point and is committing emotional abuse. The system hates us.

    [–]Squeezymypenisy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Someone with more knowledge will most likely come along and answer this. From my understanding she would have to prove that she signed the document under duress. Now how difficult this is depends on location and local laws so I am not sure in this exact situation. On occasion this sub does have fear mongering where people see several examples of prenuptials being thrown out and then everyone thinks they are completely useless, but if you do it right and don't cheap out like some guys try to do, it can give you a lot of protection, not 100% though.

    [–]thehonestdouchebag 26 points27 points  (1 child)

    Another important lesson that men need to learn. Women will act civil and loving until they realize it is truly over ( or they decide it is over ). Once they see they've reached the point of no return the vast majority will turn into batshit crazy money hungry harpies.

    [–]newls 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Seriously it'll fucking shock you. She'll turn into a sociopathic deranged surgeon, trying to chop you up into bits just for the sport of it.

    [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Five years won't buy you much in Florida. Even without the pre-nup a good lawyer can show she's only entitled to the increased value of the businesses, if there is any identifiable increase in value. Alimony would likely be less than two years. And all debts prior to the marriage wouldn't be up for equitable distribution.

    In Florida, pre-nups will usually stand up if they were drafted by a competent attorney. They function as contracts and as long as you allowed for at least three months between the signature and the ceremony, you ought to be good so long as there is a severability clause in place just in case one or two clauses get determined to be unconscionable for any reason.

    Whenever a pre-nup comes up for dispute, I file a memorandum in support of maintaining the pre-nup so the judge is quite aware I know how to win on appeal if I don't get the ruling I want. Haven't had one thrown out yet, haven't had to appeal one yet.

    Learn about pre-nups in your state, and be prepared to quiz an attorney about the one he is drafting, and ask about an arbitration clause and make damn sure the arbitration clause is a separate paragraph from the rest of the body of the dispute resolution clause.

    [–]Sadpanda596 7 points8 points  (3 children)

    Just remembering from law school (don't practice in the field), there are a variety of non procedural reasons a prenup could get thrown out. Two most relevant would be whether she was put under duress in signing it - you want to give the future SO's plenty of time to think it over. Another is if the terms are unreasonable - if you had a lawyer help you with it chances are youll be alright. Basically, you cant be married to a woman for 20 years and then kick her to the curb when you're retiring at 60 and except the prenup to hold up giving her nothing. After being married for only 5 years, most courts would be pretty happy giving her relatively little of what he earned. He wont be able to dodge child support though.

    Also, if either party provided false information when they got married! You have to fully disclose your financial situation.

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    [–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (2 children)

    We have built a life together, I gave him 5 of the best years of my life and I've been 100% faithful to him - I don't fucking deserve to be tossed out like a piece of trash.

    I don't understand. He gave her 5 years of his life and has been 100% faithful to her as well. Does that mean he deserves half her money?

    No, because that's idiotic. I don't understand how it makes sense the other way around.

    [–]RPthrowaway123 30 points31 points  (0 children)

    Gave him 5 of the best years of my life

    There it is! She realizes she's not young and hot enough to bring in another guy of his caliber. So of course she's gonna try to rape him with the divorce, if only so she can drag him down a few pegs. What a spiteful, hateful harpy.

    [–]Transmigratory 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    It sounds like even she knows the divorce rape is going to fail.

    [–]2rp_valiant 111 points112 points  (49 children)

    the comments are tearing this woman a new one too - for the beta haven that is /r/relationships, they're injecting some serious Red Pill truth into the thread.

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      [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 96 points97 points  (15 children)

      The message is clear:

      • You can't claim that "the past is the past" if you think revealing it will end relationships
      • Lying by omission is still lying
      • Get. A. Fucking. Prenup. Don't get married.

      There, that's better.

      [–]SabaBoBaba 30 points31 points  (14 children)

      Too late, did it before I found TRP. Marriage is Red Pill on hard mode. I'm lucky though my wife was born in Korea and raised abroad. She seems to lack a lot of the entitlement that western women have.

      [–]CrimsonDeep 27 points28 points  (0 children)

      . She seems to lack a lot of the entitlement that western women have.

      Make sure she stays near family and has a growing relationship with them, foreign women can still get infected with the terrible condition of : socialus feminitus

      (No not a real scientific term)

      Aka social justice feminism.

      [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 25 points26 points  (2 children)

      She seems to lack a lot of the entitlement that western women have.

      It's going to take serious, continuous effort on your part to make sure she never develops that sense of entitlement.

      If you live in the west, then she's surrounded by a culture of female entitlement.

      Best of luck to you, man. I don't envy you, that's for sure.

      [–]gxslim 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Remember Eddie Murphy's bit on "half".

      [–]2rp_valiant 38 points39 points  (10 children)

      one of the key factors is being lost between the lines in this thread too, and that is the fact that the woman claimed she was a virgin when they started dating. Considering the high value placed on marrying a virgin (and for good reason), discovering that she was not only not a virgin but engaged in MMF threesomes is a massive slap in the face. The fact that it was the friend that ended up revealing this fact only makes the situation 10x worse.

      [–]FattestRabbit 24 points25 points  (4 children)

      that is the fact that the woman claimed she was a virgin when they started dating

      Is this true? I thought I read through both threads pretty thoroughly and didn't see this. I thought her lie was simply omission and she was outed by her friend at some gathering. If this is true... holy shit.

      edit - I'm not calling you a liar. I just missed that huge detail and it does change the story for me.

      [–]TravellingIndian 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      but engaged in MMF threesomes

      MMF is gangbang not threesome. Let's keep TRP free from unisex terms

      [–]KettleMeetPot 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      Lying by omission is still lying

      This, I can't explain this enough to people for them to grasp that concept. Omitting information to manipulate the rational thinking of another adult is just as bad as any form of lie.

      [–]totorox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It's not lying, it's for his own good. "Nothing good would have come of telling him the truth" (actual quote from the thread)

      [–]beltwaytr 26 points27 points  (10 children)

      Honestly, I don't think you've done anything wrong and if this (something that occurred when he wasn't in your life whatsoever) is a deal breaker for him then you are better off. He's being a childish idiot about it. The past was meant to stay in the past and I don't believe you were obligated to talk to him about your sexual exploits with previous partners. The way he is acting is ridiculous. I understand he may be bothered by it but wow, handle it like a man, dude.

      Got to love hamsters trying to defend this woman's behavior. I mean who really believes sexual history really doesn't matter? I can't seem to wrap my head around the thought that so many women think it's 100% ok to be a total whore early on in life and expect a happy and functional marriage later on. The OP even goes to say this

      I'm not "better off" without him. This is the man I love, we've built a life together. A divorce would completely ruin my life.

      Which translates to "This is my meal ticket. I can't lose this or I'm fucked."

      [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      If sexual history didn't matter then it would have been no consequence of advise her to future partner of it way back when. She did not, which would reasonably lead one to conclude that she was quite aware that her promiscuity and behavior were of consequence and acted accordingly in her own self-interest.

      Tough luck, lady. And now that the internet knows that not only you were promiscuous but you also suffer from delusions of undeserved entitlements as well, potential suitors need only Google your name to know to not even bother. Better start hoarding cats. You're in for a LONELY rest of your life.

      [–]muyuu 6 points7 points  (5 children)

      There are also some affirmation replies to her straight off sluts anonymous. See for instance this obvious call for validation and its replies: http://i.imgur.com/xaFlgSV.png

      [–]thehonestdouchebag 11 points12 points  (3 children)

      I don't even know what level of cognitive dissonance they have to engage in to not understand how somebody finding that out about their partner may cause feelings of disgust and repulsion, not coming from a place of maliciousness.

      [–]an0n4btc 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      level of cognitive dissonance they have

      I think the supporters are all in the same boat. Quite easy to cheer for your own team as an active member/participant in the sport.

      [–]LeGrandDiableBlanc 102 points103 points  (19 children)

      One of the comments struck a chord with me:

      It was apparently something that you knew would be a big enough deal to your husband that you didn't want it coming out. That's certainly your right. But it is silly of you to pretend that something you felt that was worth hiding is somehow now insignifant enough for you're husband to divorce you.

      Has anyone else noticed this thread of cognitive dissonance everywhere? Why is it that almost everyone who says 'the past doesn't matter' use that as a justification for... hiding details about their own past? Instinctually, they know that these things matter!

      If I have found one thing that every woman I have ever met has lied to me about, it has been their sexual past. Every. Single. One. No exceptions. (I found out the truth through third parties, or from the horse’s mouth through trickle truths, a form of lying.) Women instinctively know how valuable their sexuality is. Not only in the sense of fertility and paternity, though this is the foundation for the instincts. They instinctively understand that giving up sexual access is the single most complimentary thing they can do for a man. It is the highest form of compliment that they have to give. They equally understand, thus, why it would make a man angry to hear about how the value in his woman he has worked hard for was given away on a whim to other men for, what, some fleeting excitement? How am I supposed to feel if you're charging me for an inferior product to that which you used to give away?

      The only recourse is this kind mental gymnastics, whereby the reason something matters in the first place is obscured precisely because it matters.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 33 points34 points  (0 children)

      How am I supposed to feel if you're charging me for an inferior product to that which you used to give away?

      Exactly. Increase value by increasing rarity. Even when it's common as muck.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 22 points23 points  (5 children)

      The sexual past is so, so unimportant, she will lie hard to keep that unimportant thing a secret.

      Yeah, sounds unimportant, doesn't it? /s

      [–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      If I have found one thing that every woman I have ever met has lied to me about, it has been their sexual past. Every. Single. One. No exceptions.

      There's an old saying: "When a man tells you how many sexual partners he's had, divide it by three to get the real number. When a woman tells you how many sexual partners she's had, multiply it by three to get the real number."

      So that perfect girl you're in love with who says that she's only slept with 3 guys in her entire life? The actual number is probably 8 or 9.

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

      You see it a lot because a big push by liberals (which you see a lot more on the internet) is that actions don't have consequences unless you're a white male. You see this across everything, but very much so for women. That's what the whole sex positive movement is about. You also see it in cases in cases where someone pulled a knife on an officer or pointed a gun at him, and they cry that the cop should have just restrained him somehow, or depending how stupid the poster is saying the cop should have just ran away and minded his own business.

      [–][deleted] 189 points190 points  (15 children)

      My husband owns multiple businesses and wouldn't get married without a prenup. I signed it, honest-to-god thinking we'd never, EVER have to use it.

      I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my GIANT THROBBING ERECTION

      [–]Groshub 45 points46 points  (3 children)

      That sentence was literal porn

      [–]bonerfleximus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      The only sexier sentence would be : "I expected him to be happy to find out that I'm pregnant, but he LAUGHINGLY reveals that he's had a vesectomy!?"

      [–]68461674897051454980 17 points18 points  (9 children)

      sadly for him, there is a large precedent of prenups being thrown out in divorce court. If she can prove she was 'not in a reasonable mind' when she signed it (eg it was signed 'shortly' before their marriage, or around some other event in her life) it can easily be thrown out. Even if she was in sound mind, let's say she didn't have legal counsel at the time, it can be thrown out. If the terms are what a judge would view unfair, her lawyer could say he coerced her into signing it with some financial threat. A judge can also throw out the prenup if they view it as 'not fair'. Also she'll still be getting alimony if the judge sees fit as a prenup doesn't protect against that, and his full asset value will be used to determine that.

      Get the right lawyer, and that prenup is swiss cheese. It's unfortunate that he didn't go for a stronger form of postmarital protection, but hopefully it all works out for him.

      word to the wise - prenups are not best option, do your research.

      [–]bustanutmeow 14 points15 points  (4 children)

      What other option is there?

      [–]femmefatale1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      there is a large precedent of prenups being thrown out in divorce court.

      There really isn't. Only a small percentage of prenups get thrown out. They are just heavily publicized.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      An oasis of justice in a desert of female entitlement.

      [–]FattestRabbit 76 points77 points  (8 children)

      His view of me has been irreparably changed and he no longer sees me "as someone worthy of being [his] wife". (quoting him here... fucking prick hero )

      This quote sums up my thoughts, especially after seeing her decide to challenge the prenup. So much for her leaving with whatever dignity she claimed to have as a "changed woman" from her drug-fueled DP-me college days.

      [–]Skull_Kid_kakaka 47 points48 points  (5 children)

      From a logical perspective I can see why she would want to challenge the prenup. Her best years are behind her and she just spent the final wisps from 26-31 with this man. There is also a certainty that his money will end up being spent for her legal fees and she STILL has education debt.

      His lawyer may have prompted him to pay her debt as a way to validate the prenup, but making one concession has opened the door. I'm guessing she will also try to kick him out of his own home next or claim he was abusive / the prenup was signed under duress. This divorce is an opportunity for a big payday on her part - why not take it?

      AWALT

      [–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 29 points30 points  (1 child)

      He offered to pay off her debt (accumulated while she was riding the CC two horses at a time). That's MORE than generous

      [–]Skull_Kid_kakaka 40 points41 points  (0 children)

      Hahaha what makes you think Family and Divorce law has anything to do with fairness and common decency? As far as the state is concerned, they want to assure that this CC 30+ woman doesn't end up costing THEM money in the future.

      In her mind she probably thinks she's owed at least half of his present and future earnings for spending the last of her youth without cheating (or admitting to it). She knows the odds are stacked against her to pick up another person with the kind of wealth he appears to have that hasn't already divorced with children in another family.

      My biggest surprise in all of this is how well the husband checked the boxes and that she didn't immediately start breaking things. He was probably recording that conversation as well if it was legal in his state.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      I've said it before, I'll say it till the day I die: the most important lesson of TRP is simply AWALT.

      [–]thehonestdouchebag 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Another example of the modern strong independent womyn fighting tooth and claw for a mans financial support.

      [–]DrunkNewb 42 points43 points  (4 children)

      My RP buddy and I were trying to track down the original post after it got removed; thanks for the archive link!

      This story is such absolute gold. I want my daughters and sisters to read this shit so they know how men really think when it comes to your sexual history. Its ultimately your choice, but realize that society's "you can do whatever you want" mentality is really only hurting your chances later on down the road.

      Ladies, make good decisions NOW for your life LATER.

      [–]1aguy01 74 points75 points  (0 children)

      Women have the right to fuck whoever they want, and men have the right to think they are sluts.

      [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      ts ultimately your choice, but realize that society's "you can do whatever you want" mentality is really only hurting your chances later on down the road.

      That's the reciprocal side to women saying "I can do what I want with my body", isn't it? That's absolutely right, honey bun, but guess what? I can do what I want with my commitment, time, money, and resources. And that includes choosing not to marry slutty whores.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      Usually women get away with this though. They are not usually caught out on their lies.

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      [–]through_a_ways 63 points64 points  (3 children)

      The comment thread by Thomas_Becket and Silmariel was completely deleted. Certainly not the first time I've seen whole threads of uncomfortably true comments get censored by mods.

      Lying about being a virgin. If I recall correctly, she had a reasonably extensive sexual history, while he had none.

      [reply by silmariel]: Ah! Well that is pretty bad. I kinda get why the husband would be heartbroken about that. He probably felt it was a significant thing being her first, and then to find out he was lied to, and manipulated. The thing about being dishonest is that, once you do this to a person, its not really up to you to determine wether their reaction when they discover the deceit is within reason. You are the cause of his pain, it is not your right to decide how much he is allowed to hurt. If he needs to divorce you, then that is the consequences of your actions tbh. And about the money, the lie you told is pretty big, and it might not go well for you in a courtroom. Most people would recognise it as manipulative and deceitfull. - Its not a good mark on your character that after breaking his heart you want to go for the moonies. And btw. This is not about your sexuality, or your right to do with your body as you please. You can do whatever with whomever. But to lie to your SO about your virginity, making them feel special - making them believe you trust them above all others, making them think you give yourself to them, and to noone else, is insanely manipulative. - You should have been honest, the moment you realised that this was an important issue for him. - Instead you lied.

      It's the most reasonable, well thought out comments, which expose the ruthlessness of the the female side, which always get censored.

      [–]RPthrowaway123 19 points20 points  (1 child)

      Even by /r/relationships standards that's reasonable. The mods are definitely censoring things they don't agree with. What a crock of shit.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I can't believe they had the balls to lock it down early so it would drop down. What cowards/hamsters.

      [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 34 points35 points  (4 children)

      It got locked because the comments weren't going the way the female moderators over at /r/relationships wanted them to go. I've noticed a whole lot of covert RP over there lately, and I'm willing to bet their mods are having private discussions of concern about it. I remember it was only like a year ago where comments like the ones in OP thread got down voted to hell, reported, and deleted.

      The misandry bubble is getting ready to pop. I really think men, even plugged in men, are starting to sense a rift in the Matrix. They're getting tired of being told they are insecure man-babies simply because they don't wanna wife up whores. And the whores are starting to panic, and rather than change themselves, they will double-down on sluttery.

      [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 43 points44 points  (4 children)

      Nothing I could do or say could convince him that these were past mistakes and not reflective of who I am today. He wasn't angry with me, didn't call me a slut or anything like that. Never once raised his voice. Part of me wishes he did, although I can't exactly say why right now. It felt like I was being laid off from a job. [emphasis mine]

      You were laid off from a job, darling. Being an honest, dutiful wife IS your job, and you failed in it.

      What have I said in the past?

      Remember, women are candidates applying to be your girlfriend. Don't just hire someone because you want the position filled. Make sure you vet your candidates fiercely and hire the right one for the job.

      Hopefully our plucky hero's pre-nup will save him from being divorce-raped, and he will have the good sense not to get married at all next time.

      [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 26 points27 points  (0 children)

      If I have a history of robbery, I will not be hired by a bank. If I have a history of abusing children, I will not be hired as a daycare instructor or a teacher. If I have a history stiffing credit card companies, my credit score will suffer and I will have a hard time securing loans.

      I sell health insurance. If I commit insurance fraud and have a history of fraud in "my past", the state will take my insurance license away. Why? Because of my past behavior.

      But for some reason, none of this logic applies to women and past whorishness. Women, it seems, will never, ever understand this.

      "My past is the past and that doesn't matter!"

      Yes, hon, it is all that matters. We are all judged by our past all the time, every day, in all facets of life and society.

      [–]JovianTrainWreck 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I'm glad I'm not the only one that cringed at that particular part of the comment. The fact that she said that offhand suggests that she's primarily upset for losing such a choice beta provider after her little carnival escapades (owns multiple businesses? nooice)

      Gotta say it's refreshing to see the husband have such frame and a solid backup plan in play for fucking once. Call me a naiive optimist, but I can only see the settlement going well for him, with or without his generous favor on her student debt.

      [–]joazito 18 points19 points  (5 children)

      Original post text was removed, and we're only hearing one side of the story. But here's a few things left unclear:

      • Someone mentioned that OP presented herself as a virgin, supposedly as the husband.
      • A comment mentions that OP denied the husband some stuff in bed. I can only imagine his reaction "she did MMF, but she wouldn't do X with me?"
      • Who knows what the friend told him. For all we know OP might have been unfaithful and the friend somehow leaked this.

      We can imagine OP's husband to be wealthy as he owns several businesses. OP signed a pre-nup, but expects 5 years of (alleged) fidelity to be enough to get a good portion of that wealth.

      Personally I wouldn't leave a woman for having threesomes before we met, but all the other stuff rubs me the wrong way. I wonder how (in)frequently they had sex, maybe she was giving him minimal service only and he figured that she just wasn't attracted to him.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      You can bet the reality is worse than it is presented by her

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      She stated that she was 25 when they met

      Never said I was a virgin. We met when I was like 25, come on. Any time I mentioned an ex-boyfriend - not sexually, just in conversation, like "Oh, I went to [destination] with [ex-boyfriend]" - he'd get pissy and unhappy. He never came out and said it, but I could tell it made him uncomfortable. So early on in our relationship, I made the conscious decision to stop talking about my past boyfriends completely.

      The crux of her argument really is stated in this reply she posted:

      To protect his fragile ego, I have to start my life over at square one. I'll probably have to move in with my parents. I don't even know if I'll have a car by summer.

      It all comes back to what material possessions she can suck out of him.

      [–]Newdist2 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      I don't even know if I'll have a car by summer.

      Cry me a fucking river. She can buy a used car for under $1k.

      What she means is she won't have Beta Cucks making the monthly payments on her 2015 Kia.

      [–]totorox 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      OP denied the husband some stuff in bed.

      Anal and facial. Not in any particular order.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 53 points54 points  (3 children)

      My favorite comment so far is this

      Why is he a prick? If he had known about your past when you two began dating and decided to stop because he wasnt comfortable would he still be a prick? I can see how he feels deceived and in this sub people will tell you that the way one feels cant be helped and are not wrong.

      I guess now you can try to find someone that will accept you for your past and he can find someone who he doesnt feel like deceited him

      The fact that someone made an honest-to-god rational statement like this is fucking gold if you ask me. Cue hamsters to come to the rescue though.

      Forget about the bit where she had a history of being a slut. No he's the one with the questionable character. He's the prick. Lady needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror, if she can even look at herself that is.

      [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 6 points7 points  (2 children)

      Lady needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror, if she can even look at herself that is.

      That's if she can actually see her reflection with all of the encrusted cum in her eyes. All she will do is use this as an excuse to hop back on the carousel ASAP. She'll be at the bars hunting down Chad T-Cock in no time. Only problem is, being that she's now 31 and not 21, she's gonna find that it's Cock Carousel on hard mode. I see a lot of beta "settling" in her future.

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        [–]bassivemalls 20 points21 points  (0 children)

        Ah yes, the pre-nup. Remember guys in America pre-nups only protect you from your assets before marriage. Anything he made during the marriage she has a right to. Yeah. Even with a fucking document signed beforehand you're not fully protected and if you made all your money while you were with her too fucking bad.

        [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

        5 years of living in affluence...

        Student loans paid off...

        Get dumped for lying...

        Pissed off and now challenging prenup...

        Getting support from female redditors and white knights...

        I've lost count of how many of these I've read on this reddit. Women often have entitlement issues.

        I thought it was about him recognizing that she was sexually restrictive with him and sexually free with others - which seeded doubt in his mind about her true feelings for him, but even though I still think that is a part of the mix here, can definitely understand why the husband feels conned about being misled. That's the lynchpin in this situation.

        He has money - sounds to me like quite a bit of it. She gave him a false image of herself to cash in on his ability to provide. He found out and dumped her like the terminator.

        He convinced her to sign a prenup? Dude is alpha.

        I'm guessing that the way the marriage was going, he wasn't the happiest about it. Probably over the years he kind of figured out that he sold himself short in the marriage and couldn't quite put his finger on why, and didn't have a moral reason for breaking the marriage vow. He probably felt the same sense of duty and empathy we all feel when in a commitment. Then when the bomb got dropped on her rampant promiscuity it was his get-out-of-jail-free card. It was a confirmation of the feelings that had been tugging at him. It all made sense.

        Has anyone ever gotten into a serious LTR and then found yourself becoming increasingly miserable with the person you are with? Habits are difficult to break. We men have a natural instinct for duty. Not at all like women who have a natural instinct for self preservation. Its not easy breaking a promise of commitment. After all it is a promise. So many of us get tied up to situations that are not ideal for a myriad of reasons. In his case, it was blatant deception. We feel guilt and pity. We do care about that person to some degree, but we're also not happy ourselves. Difference is with most men is we stick it out and try to make it work - almost always at our detriment. Women, in contrast, will dump you in the street and not lose a blink of sleep if they begin to see a relationship as unfavorable.

        We don't always get gifted a free exit door like this guy got. The woman that told him the truth did him a BIG favor - and probably knew full well the consequences. No fucks were given. It was about time that Mr. Big knows the truth.

        Over the past few years of reflection, I've come to realize that both man and woman, everyone is entitled to pursue their personal vision of happiness and fulfillment. If a woman wants a divorce because she's unhaaappy then fuck? What can you do? Shit happens. Man the fuck up and take your lumps. IMO, same applies for the man. He has a right to personal fulfillment as well. I think this applies in all situations EXCEPT when children are involved, then both parties need to adjust the priority to the children. The problem here is in western society, men don't really have the right to pursue happiness. We are held to our commitments, even at our detriment. Women are not held to this same standard. Men are expected to maintain a portion of their martial commitment (financial) multiple years beyond divorce and woman are not (very rarely are they).

        As for the lessons we can draw?

        For one... Never Listen and Believe always Trust but Verify.

        Two... Marriage is for raising a family. If you have no plan to engage in that, then you have no reason to marry.

        Three... If you do decide to marry, you need to have no doubts about your decision and no disillusions about your risks. Take precautions. Don't be hasty. Build up sufficient pre-marital assets and establish yourself before considering the step. Get a prenuptual agreement and make sure to the best of your ability you abide by its conditions.

        Brothers, we live in a time where we are labeled the enemies of society, while being expected to support it while operating from codified disadvantage. Everyone one of us can be slandered, libeled and even jailed on a woman's whim without any proof whatsoever. It happened to me, I know. Furthermore, women see us as stupid, servile targets to be manipulated for their gratification. Today a man must raise his awareness level and plan his life with no small caution.

        Look at Mr. Big. His wife lied to his face, lived that lie for years and was planning to take it to her grave. Does that sound like someone who gives a flying shit about her husband's wants/needs/happiness? Sure as fuck to me doesn't.

        Why? Because she's a selfish idiot who doesn't GAF.

        Keep your radar up fellas. Even alphas like Mr. Big can get shitfucked by being too trusting and naive.

        [–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 39 points40 points  (12 children)

        I totally see this guys perspective. I'd be pissed to to find out you've married the town whore. This guy can have the pick of the litter only to find out he ended up getting that woman everyone talks down about when she's not around. He got fucked over.

        And her "that's not who I am now" defense shows a complete lack of empathy or understanding of the situation.

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          [–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 41 points42 points  (2 children)

          I've double teamed girls before, and every one says the same thing, "Yeah, we wont judge you. Let's just have fun and fool around! It's just sex, no one is going to judge you for exploring your sexuality!" But no one is ever thinking of that chick as dating material. I know I was thinking, "Wow, I feel bad for the poor chump who decides to date this whore. She's a great fuck though."

          In my experience, that's sort of the line most guys go along. Most guys will encourage this behavior so they can get their frills, but those women are sort of seen as the undatables, and more like the fuck toys of society. They have a role in society, but that role is not being a quality wife a guy will be proud of being a part of.

          That's why I feel for this guy. He thought he was getting one of those quality women he spent his whole life building up for. He built businesses, went to school, learned life, and so on.... And then found that perfect dime to call wife.... Only to find out, that no, she's not that woman you tell your friends about, instead she's that woman that guys go talk about fucking and dragging around that even other chicks laugh at.

          Now he's "that guy"... Everybody knows "that guy"... He's the guy that's willing to date the slut, that every one secretly judges him about. He had to settle for the town bicycle leading every one to think, "Damn, this guy must be desperate if he had to get such a used bike. Says a lot about him."

          Just goes to show how important it is to not be naive and to do your vetting hard.

          [–]RPthrowaway123 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          That's the saddest thing. But its really not that different from how women use so-called nice guys - as their sources of free validation/food/rides/whatever. So I don't feel the least bit sorry for them anymore.

          [–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          It's just one of the huge misconceptions between genders... Women have their own game going on, and they usually get away with it. At least RP men see how women play their game, so we aren't surprised and know how to defend against it. RP guys usually don't get suckered into it.

          Guys have their own game going on too. The women that see it, know how not to get fucked by it. Some will complain about, like MRAs complain about it. But at the end of the day, they know what's going on. The smart ones avoid it, while the ones that don't see it get used by it. Like the slut being told to just be herself and how she wont be silently judged (RSDTyler does it all the time), but then that guy goes on to the nice wholesome girl after he's done using the slut to fulfill his urges.

          [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 21 points22 points  (2 children)

          I would be ok with it so long as she is a total oversexed slut whore having hot FFM threesomes with me every weekend too.

          But if I'm getting starfish sex and the last guy was getting threesomes, she'd be in the doghouse before she finished her first sentence.

          Fuck marriage.

          [–]MagneticJohnson 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          agree with this. the only way to stay with a chick like that is if she's willing to start having ffm threesomes from here on out (and/or letting him cheat). she wasn't even having anal with this poor sapp (nor "letting" him cum on face). holy shit he must feel pathetic.

          [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

          It's not who she is now... Because she's married.

          It was who she was shortly before dating our anonymous TRP hero.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          lol "our anonymous TRP hero" made me laugh out loud.

          that guy handled the situation according to the textbook. amazing.

          [–]totorox 11 points12 points  (2 children)

          She totally swindled him if he was a virgin when marrying her. She presented herself as a good girl in order to gain his commitment. Now she's bitchy she has "lost 5 of the best years of her life".

          [–]Newdist2 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          she has "lost 5 of the best years of her life".

          The best five years of he life were 16-21.

          The next best were 21-26.

          But she gave Sir Cucks-A-Lot the third best five years of her life.

          [–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          Like other's have said. She knew what she was doing... She knew he'd hate it and not sign up with her if he knew better. That's the reason she kept it secret from the start. She knew it was a VERY big deal.

          Instead she tried to sell him an ideal image of herself, but now he's seeing the real version and feels ripped off. Heck, I think if she told him from the start, played the naive and exploited woman, card from the start, she could have at least mitigated the damage done here. He would probably still be with her if she played it right. But instead she decided to lie.

          [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

          I found a web archive of the deleted original post before the update mentioned in the OP, which you can view here : http://i.imgur.com/PFOmsmh.png

          Here's the text of the original post:

          My husband [M34] of 2 years found out some unsavory details about my [F31] past, and I'm scared it could lead to divorce.Relationships (self.relationships)

          submitted 2 hours ago by husbandhatesme

          TL;DR - My husband [M34] of 2 years found out some of my [F31] sexual exploits in college. He has barely talked to me since he found out, and I'm afraid our relationship might be finished over something I did 10 years ago before I even knew him.

          I'll try and keep this short. We've known each other 5 years, been married for 2 years, and up until last weekend things were perfectly fine. Maybe once in a while we'd bicker about money or something, but 99% of the time we were happy together. While out last weekend for a friends birthday, a (now ex) friend of mine told my husband about a relationship I had in college.

          My husband knew about my college boyfriend, but obviously I didn't share intimate details about our sex life. Well... it came out that I used to engage in threesomes with him and his male roommate. Probably 12-15 in total, but all my husband knows is >that it was 'more than once'.

          College was a totally different time in my life. I was drinking every weekend, doing recreational drugs every month, partying, having casual flings - just like everyone else at that age. It was a hedonistic "live for today" lifestyle that I thankfully grew out of. I look back on those years with a lot of regrets, and not just about my sex life. I mean, it was 10+ years ago. I'm a totally different person now.

          Regardless, I know my husband sees me in a totally different light. He hasn't slept in our bed since he found out, and he's barely spoken to me all week. I'm so scared he'll divorce me, I'm walking on eggshells just trying to stay out of his way while he works through this. I really want to sit him down and clear the air, I just don't know where to begin... I feel like one slip of the tongue and our relationship could be completely over.

          I know I'm not a good person for keeping this from him, so please don't lecture me. It was a chapter of my life I'd thought I'd closed for good. It was my ONE secret, and I honestly debated telling him about it but came to the conclusion that no positive outcome could come from it.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Doing God's work son. Thanks.

          [–]SabaBoBaba 24 points25 points  (5 children)

          Oh, if I were that man the moment I hear about her wanting to challenge the prenup in court is the moment I withdraw the offer of paying her student loans. I will not help someone who spits in the eye of my generosity.

          [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

          I'd bet 50 bucks that he did find out and that's why the threads were deleted.

          [–]thedude122487 9 points10 points  (3 children)

          Honestly, I thought the people who were trolling in that thread were the blue pillers saying things like

          This sucks. :( The comments on your previous post also suck. It's evidence of really immature thinking to condemn someone based on something harmless they did more than ten years ago.

          which is completely a red herring. He's not divorcing her because of something harmless she did more than ten years ago, he's divorcing her because she lied about something that would have caused him to not marry her in the first place had he known.

          [–]zephyrprime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Sluts make worse wives. That's just the simple truth. The fact that she is now trying to ream him in court by throwing out his pre-nup is just proof of that.

          [–]DreadLockedHaitian 41 points42 points  (5 children)

          I'm just confused at the whole 'anti-red pill' circlejerk. She's clearly a loose woman and no self-respecting person would put up with that shit.

          How the fuck does one justify this type of behavior?

          [–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (4 children)

          "Sexual Liberation" has had decades to convince people of this.

          [–]1Halfjor 55 points56 points  (2 children)

          Of course. She was just exploring her sexuality by letting random dicks explore her vagina.

          I'm all for sexual freedom but too many people act like it's a powerful and enriching experience to slut it out while you're young. Trust me sweetheart, you aren't gaining wisdom and a deeper understanding of yourself by sucking two different dicks on a Saturday night.

          If you don't get STDs and know the repercussions (like this guy not wanting anything to do with you) then do whatever you want. I'm sure getting banged by different guys all the time is awesome. Sex feels great. Acting like it's improving your character and enriching your life is 100% bullshit though.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          too many people act like it's a powerful and enriching experience to slut it out while you're young

          Education is hard as hell. So is developing a physical talent. Rather than do that, people opt for the easy, and claim it as an adventure.

          See also first world "travelers" (i.e., tourists by another name) who think going to some dumpy, poor village with a North Face backpack on makes them more sophisticated and worldly.

          [–]CrimsonDeep 18 points19 points  (0 children)

          . Sex feels great. Acting like it's improving your character and enriching your life is 100% bullshit though.

          This is feminists biggest shit test to society.

          At least a positive came out of feminism, more plates than you can count if you learn game.

          [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Yes. Think about it; today's generation of millennial 20-somethings have had the "sexual empowerment" drivel drilled into their heads by their mothers, aunts, and volleyball coaches literally since they were old enough to say the word "vagina". They genuinely do not understand why men have a problem marrying them when they've been sluts all their lives. They literally don't get it, and cannot comprehend it.

          So since every one of their role models has told them that slutty=empowered, in their minds it must be men who are broken for not respecting them or accepting them.

          [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

          he says he no longer trusts me because I "kept something this big" from him our whole relationship. Nothing I could do or say could convince him that these were past mistakes and not reflective of who I am today. He wasn't angry with me, didn't call me a slut or anything like that. Never once raised his voice.

          I caught a case of feels for a girl last year which was my last serious relationship. When she talked about wanting to be serious and I agreed, I told her that I expected her to discuss any serious feelings should they come up. It was a rebound situation with her ex so I wasn't expecting it to last very long, but I failed to establish good boundaries and expected her to be loyal which I recognize in hindsight was a recipe for disaster.

          This quote is funny because she had a habit of making me a few minutes late for work, so when I brought it up, she requested for me to yell at her for it. No, you're an adult. You know what you're doing.

          Anyway, while the sexual favors didn't stop (it only lasted about a month and a half) it appeared she made up with her ex-boyfriend and broke up with me. I didn't yell at all, and I remembered TRP and I said "well I accept that, you can't negotiate desire."

          She tried to LJBF-zone me, offer for me to date her younger sister because we apparently had more in common, and then left. I didn't follow up about her sister, I'm smart enough to know that it was a shit test. I ran into her a few weeks later and she asked me to lunch. I followed up, she flaked, then I flaked, and then I finally told her "too bad about lunch" and she said sent me an essay "hope we can still be friends and not awkward" and I said "Good to hear from you, unfortunately friendship is not consistent in my intentions with you but it won't be awkward for me. Peace" and I've been going dark ever since.

          I never once got angry and I dealt with my feelings like a man. Before red pill, I would have whined and complained and left confused. But I know so much now, and I know my future relationships will be healthier for me.

          [–]lLoveLamp 11 points12 points  (29 children)

          Noob question that's been bothering me since I've swallowed the Red Pill about a year ago.

          Following TRP mentality, a girl that got involved in such sex acts in the past (threesomes, gang bang and other 'deviant' forms of sex), will be permanently stained? Meaning she will never be looked up as a marriage, or even LTR-worthy?

          [–]OneTouchHowMuch 17 points18 points  (19 children)

          In short, yes. Women emotionally bond through sex. The more partners they have, the more this pair-bond ability diminishes. A girl who has all of those sex acts will lose the ability to bond to her man because the mechanism has been dulled over time.

          If LTRs/Marriage are about long-term/life-long partnership, don't you want someone who is physiologically capable of that? She may WANT an LTR/marriage, but she will lose biological ability to stay emotionally invested in it.

          [–]lLoveLamp 7 points8 points  (3 children)

          Women emotionally bond through sex. The more partners they have, the more this pair-bond ability diminishes

          This just make me click. It's not so much about the sex itself but the reason why they have sex, which is, as everybody knows, for comfort and proximity, I.E. emotional reasons.

          As much as I like to think people needs change over time, this type of behaviour just illustrates a very clear sign of emotional instability. Since they're seeking this stability in a relationship, we'll, we know what it involves.

          I hope I summarized this correctly. Thanks for taking the time to respond, this really helped clearing out some of my reflexions.

          [–]OneTouchHowMuch 12 points13 points  (2 children)

          "Girls need a reason, guys need a place"
          - Dad

          [–]OneTouchHowMuch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Btw, those experiences don't make her a bad or immoral person. Just the opposite - that kind of sexual experience can be very fun in the right environment. I'd rather have a MMMF experience w my bros and this girl than some virgin because I know that it will emotionally fuck up the virgin, whereas the other girl it's more physical.

          Her past just represents a poor traditional LTR/marriage partner.

          [–]thehonestdouchebag 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          Important to state ( when presenting this point ) is that this view is backed by cold hard numbers. The more partners before marriage, the higher the chance of divorce.

          [–]Hellse 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          That's up to the individual and what they care about, and what they've been led to believe.

          If you would have been OK with something that had been disclosed upfront, you can still resent later if that same thing was hidden and accidentally discovered. That's when it becomes an issue of trust... ie. "what else don't I know about?"

          [–]Stephen_Reeves 8 points9 points  (6 children)

          Even after everything I know, and have experienced, the fact that she would still go for the pre-nup blows my mind every time. Women are like a completely different species.

          [–]totorox 8 points9 points  (4 children)

          Yup. Concepts of fairness, honesty, loyalty are abstractions that don't have the same meaning to them. Those are just social norms they know they may be expected to follow, but they don't really see their reason for existing except that "men will be upset if we break these men rules".

          [–]Dravous 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          this comment has sparked something in my curiosity. I wonder if this is related to how feminists push social engineering so strongly(ie; "teach men not to rape"). perhaps in their minds, doing horrid things like this aren't really something that men are inherently repulsed by but rather something that is kept in check by socially reinforced norms, as women's behavior is.

          [–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Interesting idea. I wouldn't be shocked by that.

          When I was really getting into researching about gender about a year ago, I read that some feminist academic lawyers had written papers saying that men and women should be under different legal systems for much the same reason. Men like objective rules and a solid code of laws to make everything clear. Women are much more about the situation, and the objectiveness doesn't really matter nearly as much.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Same here.

          AWALT is real. I have to consistently remind myself of this. It takes a concentrated effort but this woman's story will make the task that much easier.

          [–]Waldo00 17 points18 points  (1 child)

          The women just seriously don't understand the male perspective. They have never been told to respect a man or his desires. They don't understand the problem, or they cannot ever admit that they do, as that would translate directly to: I don't give one shit what you want.

          [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 22 points23 points  (0 children)

          ah no... they totally understand the male perspective.

          Hence the lie in the first place. This is all just hamstering to try and rescue the situation after she got caught lying.

          [–]LadyLumen 18 points19 points  (2 children)

          I think she also wanted him to get angry because anger is a sign of passion. Sometimes people get the most jealous or angry at the people they love because of all the passion they feel. But this marriage is basically a deflated balloon. There is no passion, no feeling left. This guy has emotionally detached himself and is ready to move on, that is why she is angry.

          To flip the genders here, we should imagine that a man lied to a woman and told her he had millions in the bank before marriage. Then she finds out that he's dead broke, unemployed and in debt. Would a woman want a divorce in this situation? Most likely.

          [–]1KyfhoMyoba 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          The opposite of hate is not love, it is indifference.

          [–]1iluminatiNYC 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          As someone who sent my divorce papers to my then-wife to her job, then coldly told her that there was no way we could ever reconcile, I can back this up. Once a man is fed up, there's nothing to do. After that point, the marriage is a bad business deal that has to be wrapped up. She needs to realize that she screwed up and now has to take the L.

          Here's to hoping he had the adult beverage of his choice (or a nice meal if he doesn't drink) in order to celebrate this flawless victory.

          [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

          When I dropped the divorce talk on my wife last September, I was stoic the whole time. It's how I naturally get when stress rises; I'm in control of the situation, not the other way around.

          She was upset, mostly it seemed, by the fact that I wasn't crying and visibly upset because I was going to leave her.

          Why would I be upset? I'm making the decision... I'm making the decision because of our dead sex life. I'm upset that I feel like I have to start over after 15 years, but I don't need to be an emotional mess about it.

          We have since "reconciled." But I've started an MAP to raise my SMV. I'm aloof to her shit tests (though they are so few and far between in the past few weeks) and I'm aloof to any time she turns me down for sex.

          The point is, that one talk set in motion all TRP actions by me... And then I found this place, and realized I did everything right starting last September and was clearly a social and financial battery for her matrix before that. Most importantly, she has demonstrated by that (and a few smaller times) action that I have the upper hand.

          I get this guy's position. He clearly had the upper hand the whole time in the relationship... Specifically the financial aspect coupled with a pre-nuptial agreement. She likely felt like she was better physically and sexually because of her past, and she probably liked thinking about how everyone knew except her husband; she felt she was the "hot one" and her husband was (hamster warning) lucky to have her even though we all know - we. All. Know.- she rationed sex acts out to him. Because if he was getting the anal he wanted and the CoF he wanted he wouldn't feel so "conned." Now he realizes he wasn't in control, he was a financial and social battery keeping her matrix alive.

          Time to unplug, sir. Welcome down the rabbit hole.

          EDIT: spell-check corrections

          [–]Requi3m 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          They deleted her post and every comment that was not %100 feminist minded. Typical /r/relationships feminazi moderators.

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          (quoting him here... fucking prick)

          This woman is gonna fight tooth and nail. Calling names just to get petty vengeance, knowing she doesn't have much chance to win in substance.

          Part of me wishes he did, although I can't exactly say why right now.

          So she could get him emotional and tactically use it against him as the drama unfolds.

          We have built a life together, I gave him 5 of the best years of my life and I've been 100% faithful to him - I don't fucking deserve to be tossed out like a piece of trash.

          Classic hamstering to obtain some moral high ground to get some cash and to bring more justification to her bitter vengeance.

          He's ended friendships and business partnerships over less.

          Holy shit.

          [–]RPthrowaway123 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          She's wishes he'd gotten angry because that's instantly ammo in the abuse cannon. She can claim he had anger issues and boom there goes the dynamite.

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Princess is upset because she hid and lied about her past life decisions from someone who's supposed to be her "life partner"

          Now she's contact lawyers attempting to financially rape him. Shows how much she loved him!

          I've got to say, this guy is RP as fuck. Smart man.

          [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children)

          nice to see a story with a happy ending

          [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          Yet to end. Can't trust the courts. Might end badly.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Smart guy to get a prenup before getting married. Notice that the woman STILL wants to challenge it in court. Even after lying to her own spouse about sexual deviancy, even after he agreed to pay off her loans in an act of generosity, her greed can't be fulfilled. She wants more. She wants half his money and his business.

          Holy fuck guy is willing to give her far more than her prenup would 'entitle' her to and she still wants to try and take a swing in court for CASH AND PRIZES... I hope he retracts the offer and she gets jack shit now.

          [–]Carbone 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          I don't think your husband is a bad guy. Maybe he just has different views on sex.

          he just has different views on sex.

          views on sex.

          This is where we're failing. The machine accept those types of behaviour as normal.

          It's stupid how we demand to know everything about an used car before purchasing it ... but when we're speaking about our reproductive partner we should pull the trigger without doing some Due Diligence.

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            [–]stolenlogic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            I love that she called him a prick. Damn that's a tall fucking horse you're riding in on there madam. Maybe I can interest you in a second horse to ride?

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

            Hides a threesome, gets shocked when man finds out, that was the "old" me, then sues for all the money she can. this bitch is straight up worthless

            [–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            I wanna buy this woman's husband a beer. He's handling the situation like a boss. I hope she gets absolutely nothing in the divorce.

            [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (1 child)

            no longer sees me "as someone worthy of being [his] wife". (quoting him here... fucking prick)

            (my emphasis)

            She lies to appear worthy of being his wife, and then calls him a "fucking prick" when her lies reveal she isn't. She's trying to hate him to justify screwing him over in court.

            Fair play to the guy... hopefully solid prenup although shouldn't pay off the rest of her loan. Especially as she's talking to a lawyer to try to get more.

            Cut her off!

            [–]MattBoBat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I love the comments that are like "Good riddance! What an asshole!" hahahah. Uhm.. did you read the post? This woman is freaking out because the easy life her husband has given her is being stripped away now that he learned of her deceit through a mutual friend.

            [–]1DetectiveDing-Daaahh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            At least we can tell she KNOWS why he's acting detatched and unemotional, and that's what's eating her up. She recognizes that every time he sees her he pictures the penile rotisserie that she was all too willing to engage in, which no doubt is helping him get on with his own life, rather than grieving over the loss of his innocent little angel.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            0) Don't get fucking married in the first place

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            She was mad he didn't get angry because that would have allowed her to feel like he was the one attacking her and thus that it was HIS fault that the drama/yelling/problem existed.

            You know, if this woman really wanted him to never know it, she could have managed to do it. She could have gotten rid of her cock-carroussel rider friends for instance. She let some evidences because she was planing for a divorce for a long time. That's why she calmly decided to not take into account his generosity and to get as more as she can.

            Even better than a prenup : don't get married.

            [–]oldbluebox 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Handled it the exact way any respectable man would.

            [–]the_red_scimitar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            It'll be slightly glorious to testify about her college history - to get HER to HAVE TO admit it, in public, in a courtroom.

            [–]WWJaxD1973 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            I think this man should be a role model. And this whole post and her previous one should be archived for future Red Pillers.

            I myself am new to RedPill philosophy and find it fascinating. However, I read the first post from the OP on this and I wanted to comment in anger because I was frustrated that she could be as stupid as she was to not understand where her husband was coming from or why he would think like he might have been. I wanted to yell, "You stuid cunt! You were a whore! You lied! You omitted the truth!" but I kept my fingers silent.

            Big ups to this whore's husband for doing it JUST like he should have and for being what should (and had better be) an inspiration to us who are just starting.

            [–]MUH_ROADS 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            i personally have no problem with a woman doing what she wanted to do in the past as long as she comes clean to me beforehand. i was a man whore before, during, and after college. my current girl of two years now did her share of things in the past as well. we're both humans, but we had no problem discussing these things and are now in a monogamous relationship. as long as we agree on things its all good.

            this bitch fucked up and i don't blame the guy at all for wanting a divorce.

            [–]itwasntme19 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            He was too harsh? but getting both holes pumped full of cock at the same time wasn't? great logic.

            [–]Garconanokin 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            If it gets to court, I look forward to this bitch's slutty laundry being aired in front of the community.

            Edit: it's nice to see majority support for the guy in the follow up thread.

            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

            If she knew this was a potential deal-killer before the marriage, why didn't she get it out in the open and potentially save them all some has.....

            oh wait

            he's worth a ton and owns a bunch of businesses.

            GOT IT.

            With the women, it'$ alway$ about $omething, huh.

            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            It speaks volumes about her that she felt that she could convincingly hide this for an eternity. AND that she believed that her "friends" who knew about her past behavior would keep it hidden for her.

            [–]1raceAround126 2 points3 points  (5 children)

            I gotta ask, opinions aside.

            Let's say you are with a woman and everything is great, all top notch and all the rest.

            Exactly how does this come up? "Hey baby, just so you know, I spent most of my 20s getting spitroasted by random cawk"... I mean, not to defend a slut but how does this come up?

            Don't get me wrong, if I found out this about my girl the hard way (i.e. friend or former boyfriend) then it would be a nope nope nope all the way to fucknopesville.

            [–]kevkos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Morals of the story:

            1. Don't marry. Ever.
            2. Don't make the assumption that you know EVERYTHING about your LTRs past based on how she is in the present.
            3. Despite the above, I would see nothing wrong with him showing a little anger here.

            Showing anger doesn't mean flying off the handle, it means making it clear you are angry, and you are also cutting her out of your life.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (9 children)

            everyone defending the woman please answeer this question - if its no big deal why keep it a secret?

            [–]aa223 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Even if she loses her husband/meal ticket, look at the bright side, she has a swarm of internet betas and feminists to empower her and that is what truly matters at the end. Okay time to stop drinking.

            [–]CastratedBetaOrbiter 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            This thread makes me ill because I've witnessed this result in divorce rape for the man. Pre-nup or not, the courts are going to be on that cunt's side.

            [–]1oldredder 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            But-but-but she's a special snowflake that just needed to discover herself before denying her husband the best sexuality she ever could have given him and never will. Clearly now the only way to fix her feelz is by extracting all contents of his wallet.

            She just wanted to have some Richard Salad, that's all!

            [–]HeisenSingh[🍰] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            i got down-voted is SRD for writing all this could of been avoid if she was honest with him from the beginning.there said the past is past and threesomes were normal in college. i said what the fuck kind college is that no wonder america has high divorce rates when there start of a marriage with those kind of fucking secrets and think its okay.

            [–]_Meursault 8 points9 points  (3 children)

            We have built a life together, I gave him 5 of the best years of my life and I've been 100% faithful to him - I don't fucking deserve to be tossed out like a piece of trash.

            like a piece of trash

            Except thats exactly what you are, a piece of trash. Notice how the "best 5 years of her life", in her own words, are the wall and post wall period of 29-34ish. She realizes that her changes of finding another wallet husband have lowered dramatically in this short span of 5 years, and she wants her financial compensation damn it!

            This really just bums me out. I know getting married is financial, emotional, and legal suicide now a days, but if someone wants to raise kids in suburbia, what are our options? Adopting as a single father would be nigh impossible ("What are you, a pedophile?!") and even if you pay a woman to be impregnated and birth your child, she can turn right around and decide to keep the baby at its birth.

            [–]chaimrosenstein 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Top tier: Surrogacy, using one woman as the womb and another woman's eggs for litigation-proof conception. It burns money though because it takes several tries due to rejection issues.

            Second tier: Surrogacy using a single woman's womb and eggs. Hopefully she won't contest the handover.

            Third tier: Kids with a LTR girlfriend.

            Bottom tier: marriage.

            (LTR is above marriage because LTR is more honest)

            [–]mister_barfly75 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            even if you pay a woman to be impregnated and birth your child, she can turn right around and decide to keep the baby at its birth.

            And then take you to court for child support for 18 years, regardless of whether or not you actually get to see the kid

            [–]AugmentedFury 10 points11 points  (14 children)

            I don't fucking deserve to be tossed out like a piece of trash.

            Oh yes you do..

            Congrats to the husband. He made the right choice.

            [–]KettleMeetPot 11 points12 points  (13 children)

            It's totally a troll post. Reads like a Redpill fantasy. No way a real woman manages to fit every one of their sick stereotypes.

            That comment fucking cracked me up. That dude has no grasp on reality, obviously hasn't had many female friends/companions and doesn't watch the news.

            To top it off, the only valid points in all of those comments were the ones about

            his sexual morals may simply be different than yours and to him that isn't acceptable

            And it's 100% true. He may have only been with a few people. People are confusing disclosing sexual past and "TELLING EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERY PARTNER"

            I don't necessarily care about a females sexual past. But if I found out she was into getting railed by 10 dudes at a time or fucked her dog as a teen... I'd probably walk away. I wouldn't need the details. And I'm a pretty sexually liberal guy.

            [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

            I agree... I mean on the surface, you think, "okay, she's sexually liberal" and that's kind of hot... But then you can stop thinking about the never ending circle of cock around her and the river of cum flowing from various orifices.

            shudder

            Sexual moral congruency is important... The past is the past, but that line would never work for a background check for a job and I think a LTR is more important than a job in that regard.

            [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (4 children)

            or fucked her dog

            Surprisingly common. Oral at least.

            [–]QuattroStig 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Don't allow your emotions to rule you - rule your emotions instead.

            As someone who seeks to improve myself in every way, I will admit that this is something I have overlooked for the longest time. This is my new area of focus.

            [–]SleepNowMyThrowaway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            My husband owns multiple businesses and wouldn't get married without a prenup. I signed it, honest-to-god thinking we'd never, EVER have to use it. Well, he had the fucking document with him this morning. He said he'd pay off the remainder of my student loans, which he isn't "legally obligated" to do. While I appreciate that, I am going to meet with my lawyer this week and see if the agreement can be challenged in court. We have built a life together, I gave him 5 of the best years of my life and I've been 100% faithful to him - I don't fucking deserve to be tossed out like a piece of trash.

            No sense of honor, of decency, of Justice.
            The Female ID open for all to see.

            [–]Mister_Kurtz 2 points3 points  (11 children)

            Just so I understand, this had nothing to do with her behaviour once they were together. Whatever she did was prior to them getting together. Am I right on that?

            [–]ThatsRite 10 points11 points  (10 children)

            No. She maintained a fraud throughout...

            [–]Lowoctave 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            wow i hope he crushes her in court. What a gold digger.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Seems like the guy isn't sexually promiscuous, I think it's reasonable for him to expect the same of his wife.

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