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Rant/VentingDon't be a slave (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardArchwingerx3

Society and civilization, for all the good they provide, slap us squarely across the face and rape us up the ass with one singularly painful drawback: to be a man in society is to be a slave.

Society’s path for you - for all of us - is clear. To placate us with pornography, sports, alcohol, video games, creature comforts, the illusion of a path to success, the illusion of remuneration for our labors, while extracting maximum productivity from us until the day we die. We trade something priceless, that we will never recover – time – in exchange for something governments around the world have made up – money. We then spend that money on pornography, alcohol, overpriced food, creature comforts, a nice apartment or big suburban home, a fancy car, fancy clothes, cable television, cellular telephones, fake wooden furniture, fifty trips to Bed Bath & Beyond for clutter our wives think is cute, and then we need to get paid again. The endless cycle of sacrificing our very life essence for more of this worthless stuff continues.

The true beneficiaries of our labors? The women and children we support. Feeding yourself is cheap and easy. Feeding a family actually isn’t that hard either. But supporting a wife, one or more children, and all of the stupid shit they think they need? Shit you would never buy if society hadn’t convinced your mentally pliable family that everyone ought to have it? Painful. That diamond engagement ring you got your wife? Four months’ salary – 640 hours of sitting at a desk somewhere if you’re white-collar, or doing something backbreaking if you’re blue-collar. That suburban home? 40-80 hours a month to pay the bank, 95% of that payment being interest on a six-digit loan. You’ll be done paying that off in 30 years. That’s about 60,000 hours of work, give or take. Paying for your kid to be in little league? That’s a few extra hours a month at the office. A bigger chunk if you have to buy some equipment this month. That queen-sized bedroom set with matching dresser, nightstands, and an awesome memory foam mattress your wife loves? There goes an entire month at work, plus all the overtime you put in before Christmas, plus your Christmas bonus. Every trip to Pottery Barn, every time your wife logs into Amazon, 20 bucks here, 50 bucks there – don’t think of that as dollars. Think of that as your time, your sweat, your blood, your very life essence. Every time your wife logs into Amazon, she’s spending dozens of the limited hours of your life in about ten minutes buying birthday presents for her friends’ kids and baby shower gifts for her cousins. You’re working like a slave so that she can win social points within her circle of friends.

And when she’s out with them spending your money on ten-dollar cocktails, she’s badmouthing you.

Why does society care about you supporting your family? Because if you didn’t, society would have to foot the bill. And for many people, society does. Your government takes 20-40 percent of that worthless money you sacrifice your life to earn and spends it supporting people who aren’t you. Once a year, they make you do a bunch of paperwork, and if you figure out that you’ve actually given them too much money over the course of the year in the form of an interest-free loan, they give you a chunk of that money back, without interest. You feel like you’ve won the lottery! What a great government!

From the day we’re born, we’re raised by weak-willed, self-important, narcissistic, feminized parents – each generation worse than the last. We’re placed in schools that indoctrinate us into a culture of rules and socialized behaviors, that teach toward standardized tests and focus the entirety of their resources on bringing the dumbasses of the world up to just slightly below average. The slaves-in-training that rattle their chains are diagnosed with disorders that just a few short decades ago didn’t even exist, and are force-fed mind-altering drugs to curb their disruptive masculine impulses. Not that long ago, disliking school, homework, studying, and sitting still for 8 hours at a time was pretty common for an eight-year-old boy. Now it’s a psychological disorder. Being a boy is a psychological disorder.

By the time we hit puberty, we’ve been taught that sexual impulses are evil, and our only shot at a decent life is to do exactly what we’re told, buckle down, finish school, then spend massive amounts of money (or accrue incredible debt) going to more school, where in the pursuit of a degree, we take a few required courses to learn that nine tenths of us are apparently rapists and that for generations, we have oppressed and enslaved women. Thank God all of us are in that other ten percent. When all that’s said and done, it takes us forever to finally find gainful employment, despite all of our education, and we don’t earn that much more than we would have without it. But we’re happy to have any job so we can finally start buying all of the shit we’ve been told we need, to demonstrate what great providers we’ll make for a family one day.

Because that’s what we’re told our goal in life needs to be. We’ve done it all to prepare ourselves to one day meet a good woman, marry her, have kids, and support a family. If you’re not married and taking care of a family – good care, not just passable care (meaning lots of money, not just adequate money! Only losers have a savings account or save for retirement.) – then you’re not a real man. You’re just a child. What’s that? You don’t make the required minimum salary of $5,000 times your age? Don’t worry. Nowadays, you don’t have to save money until you can afford to buy cars and furniture and televisions. You can just get them now for 29.99 a month here, 59.99 a month there, 74.99 a month there, and pay them off in 5, 10, 20 years. Whatever. You can start saving for retirement a little later, and have that big-screen TV now, right? I mean, surely you won’t be working until the day you die to buy shit for your wife, right?

Meeting the right woman is pretty hard nowadays. Women are waiting a lot longer before getting married, even though they sure do seem to spend a lot of time at bars and clubs and house parties and girls’ nights looking for the right man. And they sure do seem to have a hard time figuring out who’s a good provider versus who’s just good-looking. A lesser man might think they’re just putting off marriage and fucking hot guys until they’re too old and the hot guys don’t want them any more. But that’s an evil line of thinking.

If you expect a woman to like you, spend time with you, maybe even have sex with you, simply because you’re a great guy who treats her well, that’s sexist. You are to approach a woman with your head bowed, and beg for the privilege of picking her up in your fancy car so that she can judge your wealth, then taking her out to eat and to participate in entertaining activities. Only if she finds you sufficiently interesting does she deign to spend further time with you, at your expense. You are to ask for nothing of her and to expect nothing of her. You’re essentially buying her time with no guarantee of sex, kind of like an escort. Deep down, you wonder if that muscular guy from the club she used to date before you had to do all this before he got any.

Eventually, most guys who really want to get married will find someone to support. And even though 50% of marriages don’t last, we all think we’ll be different since we’re serious about marriage. We’re going to take good care of our families. We’re not going to cheat. We’re going to work hard. We’re going to treat our wives and kids like queens and princesses and princes and give them the best life we can, even if it means sacrificing ourselves in the process.

And even though our wives piss all over us and minimize everything we do for them and badmouth us when we’re not around, we’re okay with that. That’s just playful banter. It’s funny. TV sitcoms tell us it’s funny. And if we ever stop raising the bar and stop doing more and more for them, we’re greeted with anger, seething hatred, blazing disrespect, and threats of divorce, so we promise to do better.

And then we’re surprised when we learn that a lower libido in marriage is not, in fact, normal, and that our wives’ libido is quite healthy. At least it is when she’s fucking some loser from her part time job. And that it doesn’t matter how much we gave or how much we loved or everything we sacrificed, or which party cheated on who. She gets the kids, the house, the majority of your assets, and if the court-ordered check you send her every month is a single penny short, you go to jail. So even after your wife leaves you and takes your children, you’re still supporting your family from afar.

But don’t worry. You just didn’t meet the right girl. That one didn’t work out. Don’t be bitter. Marry another one and support her, too. Love’s more important than money anyway, right?


[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 269 points270 points  (53 children)

This reads like a brilliant manifesto of Briffault's Law. When the woman sees no further benefit from association with a male, then no further association takes place. Whether or not the male is actually providing her benefit is of no consequence. Reality matters not; only her perception is important.

This is fundamentally why marriage today is as broken as it is. Whatever a man does for a woman is viewed as "special" only insofar as that act remains one of rarity. Once a benevolent act is repeated, it is no longer viewed as "special", it is now viewed by the woman as "common" and "expected". Look at Valentine's Day, and the marketing and commercialism surrounding it. Getting your woman chocolates and jewelry is no longer "special"; because if you don't do these things, society tells a man he is literally a piece of dog shit.

This all boils down to a simple principle: common things are not valuable, rare things are valuable. Dirt is common and worthless; gold is rare and valuable. And the more and more our feminine-imperative society demands from men, the more worthless we become over time.

And as /u/Archwinger so eloquently put it, what we are really trading for all of these vapid 'expectations' is our time. Henceforth, men's time just becomes more and more worthless as expectations upon our time continues to rise in society.

Which is why I stick to the old mantra when it comes to marriage: the only way to win today is not to play. Keep spinning plates. Keep your investment in women low, and keep the things you trade your time for as rare as gold.

Be the Alpha that can tingle a woman, and make her view the bag of Skittles you buy for her as being more valuable to her, than the 5,000 square foot mortgaged house her Beta husband is working his ass off for her to live in.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 187 points188 points  (21 children)

Got my haircut the other day, and the hairdresser asked me what I was doing for V day. I mentioned how I didn't care much for it and its just another night for me. After mentioning I had plans but wasn't getting roses or anything, She tried 6 TIMES to get me to at least get the girl I was meeting with a hallmark card.

The conditioning of women's entitlement has become so bad that a complete stranger will fight to try to get you to a buy a woman they don't even know a gift. Real.

[–]maddenmadman 94 points95 points  (14 children)

Hard out man, the poor dude who cut my hair the day before valentine's day said he was spending $1000 on a private lunch in a hot air balloon for his fiancee and couldn't believe me when I said I wasn't doing anything for my girlfriend.

Why should I let society dictate when and how I have to spend my hard earned money on the woman who I let into my life? I'll make her feel special when I determine it is right to do so.

[–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 44 points45 points  (4 children)

I remember the first and only time I got flowers for a girl on Valentines Day. It felt like the most ungenuine, and unappreciated gift I have ever given. Never again.

The best gift I have ever given to a girl was a small beach sand souvenir from Cali, which must have cost me around 5 dollars. It was unexpected, and the girl I gave it to was genuinely lit up with joy because of it. Years after it, she always reminded me how she still had it and she still carried it in her purse. I'm sure she still has it after almost 10 years.

[–]laere 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Big diffetence between cliche gifts and something genuine, for sure.

[–]TekkomanKingz 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I guess it's not always "the thought that counts" huh? LOL

[–]Rooi_Aap 20 points21 points  (2 children)

$1000! That is a lot of haircuts...

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    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    This is so true. I will reward my gf when she deserves it. Not because it happens to be a certain day. Or at least that is how ot should be

    [–]Pm_MeyourManBoobs 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Haha $1k straight down the tubes. He didn't get fucked that night, guaranteed.

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      [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      I just made my GF read about Japanese valentines day traditions instead. 1 box of chocolate for me. Nothing for her. Damn I love Valentines day. And the reaction. Oh and in March I buy one for her when all the gifts are on sale. (White day)

      Win / win.

      [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      That's one of the things I appreciate about not being from the US. You can always sell your stance on V-day as "I don't follow US traditions on principle" and will get away with it.

      [–]iwannagethugeee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I feel that. I just followed GLO's advice in a previous post - just buy some lingerie and go out to lunch. She loved it, and the opportunity to make her feel sexy was much cheaper than a fancy meal.

      [–]1beerthroway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Which is why I don't like going to female hair stylists anymore. When I was younger I liked the fact that they were pretty girls, but then I learned how boring they are and not the best conservationists. I prefer male barbers and barbershops.

      [–]Gotmilkyy 53 points54 points  (24 children)

      The way he portrayed money was fantastic. Money earned=Your time

      There's probably a more eloquent way to put this but this is what I got out of it. When you, or anyone, spends money it's like spending someone's time.

      10/10, completely changed my perception. Thank you, Archwinger.

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        [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 110 points111 points  (17 children)

        Time is the ultimate resource.

        Time can be converted into anything. Money via work. Pleasure via play. Strength and skill via training. It can also be squandered by just sitting around doing nothing.

        But no resource can be converted back into time. Once time is gone, it's gone for good.

        Spend it wisely.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (14 children)

        Not true. Having money can buy you medical treatment/a good lifestyle that will extend your lifespan. Hiring people to do jobs for you such as plumbing, fixing the electricity and such also saves time. Learning skills such as basic IT will also save you time. The conversion backwards is just not as obvious or quantifiable.

        [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

        I think that's what he meant by "spend it wisely". All those actions simple lower the time you will spend on something else, none of them actually give you more time. For that you will need a time machine.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        Won't argue details.

        Reduced time = more available time for other resources. It's why executives have private jets despite the high costs, because their time is valuable and therefore they gain more time to do other tasks by spending money on rapid transportation.

        [–]1oldredder 3 points4 points  (10 children)

        If you're sick already and it's bad, if you're aging and it's far gone, no money can buy that back.

        The only thing that extends your life-span is a long-term since-childhood good diet and that means no garbage junk-food and no over-eating.

        Once you're already sick it's too late.

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          [–]MyRedPillLife 1 point2 points  (5 children)

          Think about the huge gap between public and private healthcare. Sure, they may not perform miracles but statistically the latter is more effective than the former.

          I always felt that public hospitals are a moral front placed by the government to be used as scapegoats/excuse when someone cannot afford to buy his way into a proper bed with proper monitoring.

          I once tried to get into a manga series called "Monster". The first 2 or so chapters essentially displayed that: The head of the clinic ran towards treating a mayor because it would boost their overall reputation while making dosh and let a poor man die, shrugging it off as "we did the best we could". And yes, they cannot treat everything under the sun but the small percentage they can matters by a lot.

          It has been said only a dozen of times in this sub that the the most pure form of discrimination is the one between the rich and the poor. I cannot agree more.

          [–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          what? This is utter nonsense. Public healthcare is literally the most efficient healthcare there is because you get a gigantic boost in bulk purchasing and a gigantic relief that a tiny fraction of taxes covers it all.

          US healthcare doesn't raise quality of life or life-span vs Canada and yet costs 10x to 100x as much.

          I'm in Canada. We're living the dream on this one. My cost of living is literally not even 30% of the equivalent person for the same services in the USA. My healthcare won't even cost me $300 in a year much less in a month.

          Private healthcare always over-charges and lies about what is needed for medication/testing to ensure top-billing. There's a huge crack-down in this taking place now but I won't push hard on this - there's fraud in public healthcare too. The prices, however, are all much, much lower.

          And in both cases what I wrote is still true:

          If you're sick already and it's bad, if you're aging and it's far gone, no money can buy that back.

          [–]MyRedPillLife 8 points9 points  (3 children)

          I just think you're lucky to be born in a place where public healthcare is treated differently. I'm from eastern Europe and I've spent the last few days going from one public hospital to another escorting a parent, waiting for hours in queues until we decided to get a loan from a neighbor to buy her a proper doctor. Not everyone is part of the first world where you're from. This is already a difference of money between us in terms of countries, way before you consider what kind of healthcare money can buy.

          Your healthcare is awesome because you're in the first world. First world means developed country which means MONEY! Would your country be able to provide top notch healthcare if they couldn't afford to maintain it? You just shifted the comparison from "poor person vs. rich person" to poor country vs. rich country and you missed the fact that we're still talking about people. You cannot possibly imply that Bulgaria, Greece and Poland have the same quality of public healthcare with Canada or Germany. It's still a comparison of fat wallet vs. empty wallet. And if you think that all hospitals are equally effective you better take those rose tinted glasses off, because the difference between the highly skilled doctor and the poorly-skilled doctor is not just in how much you pay them for but what you're paying them for. The difference in skill isn't just for demonstration.

          What is it that you don't understand?

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          There is a book called "Your money or your life" by Joe Dominguez and Vickie Robin. No other book has driven home the Money earned=your time concept for me.

          There is in exercise in the book where you calculate your real hourly wage (whether your salary or hourly doesn't matter). In a word, AMAZING. I read that book 10 years ago, and still look at items I buy in terms of hours spent in labor.

          $100 pants? nope, 1 1/2 hours of labor. $200 dinner with that girl? nope, 3 hours of labor. I'll cook.

          So many ways this mindset helps me orient myself in the world today, from buying shit to evaluating investments to taking on new jobs.

          Read the fucking book.

          [–]LukesLikeIt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          You should watch "In Time" with Justin timberlake, director Andrew Niccol. Explores this concept well.

          [–]1cover20 14 points15 points  (1 child)

          So, break the conventions. For Valentine's, my wife and I fucked, then I cooked a meal, then she cooked a better meal. Meals are for the kids too, of course.

          "I love you" was never said once.

          [–]DonArturo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          This all boils down to a simple principle: common things are not valuable, rare things are valuable. Dirt is common and worthless; gold is rare and valuable. And the more and more our feminine-imperative society demands from men, the more worthless we become over time. [...]

          It sounds as though you are alluding to the Diamond-Water Paradox and its solution, the theory of marginal utility.

          In terms of marginalism, be the Alpha who knows how to keep the marginal cost of his time & attention sufficiently high so as to ensure it will be valued.

          [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 122 points123 points  (6 children)

          If the rules of the game are stacked against you dont play by the rules.

          [–]TurboRaptor 62 points63 points  (1 child)

          I was lucky enough to have a badass lawyer as a father and this was one of the most important lessons he taught me. NEVER play by the rules, rather bend them to your favor. similarly, the only "fair" fight is the fight you will lose.

          [–]enticingasthatmaybe 26 points27 points  (0 children)

          “If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.”

          ― John Steinbeck

          [–]dimarond 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          If there is a law, you can bend it. If there is a rule you can break it. (Quote from the Revolver).

          [–]NeoreactionSafe 92 points93 points  (25 children)

          This is another first rate post... on quite a roll with good quality writing today on the Red Pill.

          It's funny how when you actually write out the thought process of the Beta male it becomes painfully obvious what a delusion it really is, but when you live it you can be seduced.

          I know until I hit 40 years old (now 53) I was another guy believing in the Beta male dream. Fortunately during the dot.coms I saw such madness going on that I had to rethink everything and that's ultimately what made me drop out of the Rat Race. (that and 911)

          Going on 14 years now just coasting on savings... not being a consumer... not investing in women.

          I was a MGTOW long before I ever heard of the concept.

          And I've owned two large homes... that's something I'm not interested in anymore. My life is extemely simple by choice and there is a freedom associated with owning few possessions.

          "Women love houses more than people."

          [–]twistyquasar2 8 points9 points  (18 children)

          how did you get savings like that

          [–]marty2k 25 points26 points  (17 children)

          Start saving 10% of every paycheck. Whatever the fuck you do don't touch it! Give up something that takes up that much money (TV, video games, subscriptions, fancy dinners, gadgets) and pretend that's what you spent it on. In just a few years you'll have a good start, and if you keep it up you'll be good.

          [–]Kunichi 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          That is what "the richest man in babylon" book says. 10 % every paycheck, definitely worth to read.

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children)

          If you're making half decent money it's really not tough at all to save more than that. Obviously you don't want to cripple your lifestyle but by cooking your own food, fixing your own shit and not buying the junk you see on TV you can save so much money that would otherwise be frittered away on meaningless crap.

          I'm currently saving 1/3rd of my paycheque each month, even more when I do overtime and I'm still on the lower rungs of my career.

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            [–]partylikeits1899 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            Etfs. High dividend stocks

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              [–]NeoreactionSafe 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              When you get your paycheck put it directly in the bank and forget that you put it in there. Continue this for years. At some point you realize you have freedom.

              The "trick" is to not increase consumption.

              Increase income, but keep spending constant.

              Don't get seduced. Don't change you habits... avoid effeminate luxuries. (it's hard I know)

              During the dot.coms they would shower us with delicious food and grand parties, but you need to enjoy that but have the will to walk away from it.

              [–]partylikeits1899 5 points6 points  (2 children)

              Can confirm. I've been dropping 33% of take home pay in a savings account for 5 years and 10%-20% before take home into retirement since I was 24.

              I left my career for an entire year in 2014 to accomplish as goal/dream. I got hired back with a big raise and I'm now living off one paycheck and investing the other.

              I don't have fuck you money, but if include the 100k valued land I inherited, my net worth is around 315k. I don't own a house and I have no debts at all. I just live in the cheapest studio apartment I could find. I just turned 33

              [–]marty2k 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Land is where it's at, man. Do you pay anything on it? If not, you're fucking golden. If everything fails, if you go penniless and can only get a job at McDonalds you can still live comfortably. Grow some food, get solar panels, etc.

              [–]partylikeits1899 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Nope. Its paid for. Its part of my great grandfathers old farm. 27 acres with a spring and creek. I want to build a cheap place and let it be my base camp. Ive got the money to build a small cabin on the place and it feels good knowing that I'm pretty much already set. I love my minimal lifestyle. My free time is far more valuable than money... Especially when the money is used to horde useless shit that doesn't bring happiness or add value to my life.

              [–]twistyquasar2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              thanks for the tip never thought of doing it like that.

              [–]IDefyAxioms 5 points6 points  (5 children)

              not being a consumer

              God, I just don't get that. TRP pushes such an 'anti-consumerism' almost 'mountain man'-like mantra about things to buy, and it has never made any sense to me. I always saw the ability to buy whatever you want, whenever you want as sort of the pinnacle of life; at that point, you have officially won the game.

              I grew up very, very poor. Living on monthly wages which lasted approximately two weeks, always in danger of getting evicted from our apartment, every time we got a little bit of money, it disappeared in an unfortunate turn of events (not even related to purchasing 'unnecessary items), accumulating possessions only to have to pawn them off to make rent, that sort of life. All of this was largely due to my parents living their lives in ways that just weren't conducive to supporting a family where I grew up.

              As a result, growing up all I wanted was money, stuff, and security. Wanted the best life I could buy. Essentially, the polar opposite of how I came up. And so far, I have molded and positioned my life, lifestyle, connections, and direction in such a way to achieve that. To me, that is freedom. It's fun. It's secure. Never having to worry about if I will have a roof or stuff next week. But I am also speaking from a perspective of youth, and I don't have the past experiences that a lot of people in the sub have.

              So, why wouldn't you want that? What turns you off of that lifestyle?

              [–]MrMontage 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              There is very little that money can buy that is more valuable to me than freedom having the money gives me. If you've got a stash of fuck you money, spend the rest of your cash however you like, but nothing is more valuable or as liberating as a big pile of fuck you money. You don't ever have to do anything you don't want to. What could be more valuable than that? The simpler your materials needs, the less fuck you money you need, meaning the closer you are to achieving that freedom.

              [–]Redrog1 8 points9 points  (2 children)

              It's fine that you want to do that. But if you are not a moron you'll naturally grow tired of it. Think of the poor beta that suddenly has an epiphany, changes and starts banging club sluts, one after another. You might ask why he keeps banging such low value girls? Well, he could not have that and now he is enjoying his moment. But if he is not a moron, he will grow tired of it and see it for what it is. Sure he will bang a slut when he feels like it but he won't be crazy about it anymore once that phase has passed.

              Spend money, enjoy it and then pray you are not a moron.

              [–]NeoreactionSafe 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              "A Fool and His Money are Soon Parted."

              Being a "good consumer" is all part of this feminized society where we are supposed to value ourselves by what we own. It's silly... foolish.

              Buy what you need of course, but don't link your emotional attachments to material things.

              Poor people often spend their lives working out emotions of neglect and so "the stuff" feeds this empty space in their soul. Cure your insides and you don't need it.

              [–]fvvx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I grew up in the opposite manner. It's alright if you want to buy stuff and enjoy it but never make it turn you into a slave. I see too many of 'new money' buying stuff they don't need to impress others and struggle with savings.

              [–]stolidfact 28 points29 points  (17 children)

              Reminds me of that one book, "Your money or your life", which advocates a more minimalistic approach to possessions and following one's passions instead of being a good consumer.

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                [–]RedPillProphet 11 points12 points  (6 children)

                there is considerable backlash from others that see you bucking the system.

                Can you elaborate on that? I have gotten A LOT of backlash from family regarding my choice to not marry and have kids but what are some ways ppl fight against minimalism?

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                  [–]RedPillProphet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  The reaction usually starts by trying to convince you to consume more ("you should buy a house") to shaming language ("you're a loser for not having X type of car or gadget"). Sometimes it is not as harsh but still dramatic. Imagine some guy who has slaved away for years in a job he hates paying a mortgage. To insinuate (again, passively, only an asshole would throw it in his face) that all that effort is "wasted" can cause some serious self-evaluation and shock.

                  This is making a lot of sense now. I have lost count of just how many people have told me to buy a house by now and I am only in my mid 20s.

                  Or subtly asked me when am I going to buy a new car while there is nothing wrong with my current one.

                  You'd be surprised to learn that my very religious eastern as fuck family is the worst when it comes to being materialistic. They are frugal with money but militant about saving and amassing wealth. Their consumerism is replaced with an ever deeper greed. They like money so much that they find it hard to spend it even on things.

                  [–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  Even you closest friends may hate you if they see you are freerer than them in the things that count.

                  Not in the "smoke weed erryday" concept (ever wondered why everyone will always gives you drugs for free, the first time?), but in the "I don't need to waste moneys on my girlfriend" way.

                  In the "those bullshits thinghs don't bothers me" way.

                  While they are still full binded to the stupidest, most self-harmful society rules. Even the simple fact of you not having some worries is enough to make some people mad.

                  [–]fap_the_pain_away 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                  As far as materialism goes, just say you've gone green/"eco friendly" and the leftists can't complain about your lack of consumption. Instead, they'll give you mad respect and start feeling guilty about the air they're breathing.

                  [–]1oldredder 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  no shit. Some post a week ago here or on asktrp featured a woman screaming (writing) that it's "creepy" that a man is minimalist. I replied it's creepy a woman wants to clutter up a man's space with shit he doesn't need just so she feels better, much less expects / demands him to waste his money on shit he doesn't need to clutter up that space when he knows better.

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                    [–]MrMontage 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    Who we also in general tend to despise.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I should have searched the comments before writing my own "Your money or your life" comment. This is the best book on personal finance I've ever read.

                    [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 68 points69 points  (11 children)

                    Most men need surprisingly little to not only survive but also to thrive and be happy. Society thus has to drive men to overproduce and overspend via social obligations, especially when it comes to women and children.

                    The smartest companies are the ones who have figured out how to manufacture social obligation, thus we have:

                    • Hallmark Holidays such as Valentine's day, Mother's day, Father's day, Secretary's day.
                    • DeBeers promoting the diamond as an engagement gift
                    • The modern wedding-industrial complex, wedding registries, honeymoons
                    • Baby showers and high-production-value birthday parties for children

                    Thanks to social obligation, men are not only enslaved, but also willingly go along with the system. All you have to do, in order to break free, is to realize that you don't have to do any of this crap. No more roses and chocolates on Valentine's day. No more fucking diamond rings or tennis bracelets. No more weddings and no more wedding attendance. No more meaningless cards sent out of obligation. No more meaningless birthday/christmas gifts. No more minivans. No more designer furniture or window treatments. No more 5 bed/3 bath/3 car garage home with swimming pool in the suburbs.

                    Say yes to freedom.

                    [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                    wedding industrial complex

                    Lul

                    My buddy literally saved thousands by adjusting the nomenclature from "wedding" to something else.

                    [–]trp_angry_dwarf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    There was a great story out here in Australia on this. When booking your venue, say it's a party for 200 people and get the quote. Come back later and say wedding and it's at least 25% more for the same service, food, drinks package etc.

                    [–]Letesse 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                    "Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life..."

                    [–]1deptii 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    Speaking of wedding industrial complex, don't forget the divorce industrial complex. Husband and wife go to divorce court, and while the wife fights for everything, it's the lawyers that are winning.

                    [–]Hitlers_Boss 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                    Wait, what if i want the 5bed suburb house anyway though? I dont care about rings and weddings, but a yacht Sounds mighty fine to me.

                    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                    My personal goal is to just rent out my own little apartment or condo type thing for myself while buying some real estate (as a portion of my investments) for rental purposes so I can make enough passive income to not even need to work while still in my 30s. Dunno if this is a good plan or not but I have a few years before I can get started on it anyways since I'm only 16 and don't have much money >_> I'm fine with buying 5 bedroom housing for rental purposes but wouldn't really want to live in one I own, seems kind of tie downy and needlessly large.

                    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                    Put the house in a trust, have the trust rent that house out, you be the tenant and have 4 others live in the other rooms, no one knows you own it, you still pay rent, 100-150 each per week for rent depending on the market and split all the bills, you just need to have the mail for the trust go to a po box so the other renters don't see.

                    This is my plan anyway, also works if you are living with a woman as well, you don't own the house, you're a renter she leaves and you keep your house.

                    I need to speak to a lawyer to get the specifics of the process. I plan on owning nothing, but trusts that I control owning all the shit I use.

                    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    Marry a rich, homely girl and inherit her father's yacht.

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                    [–]1oldredder 5 points6 points  (8 children)

                    fiat - IOU - money was created by central banks and governments. Gold money, silver money and bartering huge amounts of goods by the ton, nation to nation, even past city-nation to city-nation, was more established by need than by decree.

                    Barter is incredibly efficient in bulk with goods that everyone needs. It is only inefficient with goods that are not in wide demand, are heavy and/or spoil easily. They, however, are immune to fraud with quick, easy inspection whereas the legally-forced fiat IOU note is fraud in and of itself in all but the most hardy of rulers.

                    Pretty much in history the only one mentioned is the tally-stick that didn't fall to this fiat nonsense of hyperinflation & failure.

                    There's a reason for this: if the money supply grows at the wrong rate, too slow or too fast compared to the goods & services combined plus all revolving credit as needed to spur the economy for medium-risk financing, the economy will collapse in the long-run, have volatility in the short-run. It takes a firm hand of guidance and morality to avoid this, basically where greed doesn't overcome the mind of the one in control to do this.

                    Generally this is why a market is better because the market doesn't have the power to collude to universally gain one party instead of all unless there is no more market and only 1 party is in control of everything again just like a King with a fiat currency controlled by no one else. That process can happen over time as well but it's already in place by default in the major nations of the Earth.

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                      [–]fap_the_pain_away 129 points130 points  (14 children)

                      I know TRP is focused on simply how things are, and is thus amoral, but I've got to say... we're clearly the good guys. Anyone who disagrees with this movement, brainwashed or not, is an enemy of truth. The blue pill world is the enemy of men's freedom.

                      Society is basically one big slave colony, with men being the more productive ones. It's truly sickening. Luckily, one can play his hand smartly and attempt to maximize his freedom.

                      This place literally saves lives.

                      It's an ugly, twisted world. Make sure you learn how to enjoy it.

                      [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 86 points87 points  (4 children)

                      Women are slaves, too. In different ways for different reasons. But most of them like it that way. Being a non-slave is hard and risky.

                      [–]Cryocasm 25 points26 points  (0 children)

                      Being a non-slave is hard and risky.

                      It's incredibly hard until you meet people doing the same.

                      Society characterizes MGTOW, Strong-Minded men, men who quit the system, men who want to have a nice life and realized their struggle as enemies of the state. Nothing is as dangerous as someone who is unplugged. Just the very aura of an unplugged person hurts these mindless masses. They cannot handle what's outside their primitive bubble that's 30, 40, 50 miles in diameter in which they spend their entire lives. All they ever think about is work, their shitty boss, bills, bills, interpersonal relationships, bills, how to be the most popular, and bills. None of them think about what's beyond their home, what's out in the world, where the real fun is. Going to Africa as a "life changing experience" doesn't count because you did it for college credits and social appraisal; you took away nothing like the narcissistic cunt you are.

                      Exiting the system and doing it properly puts everyone in danger, your government because you see through their shit like glass, your soon-to-be former friends because it hurts their feign world, your parents because it hurts their vision of what you were supposed to be. Men who exit realize that they are not special, saying "everyone is special" is equivalent to saying "nobody is special". To become special you must go beyond what you were taught.

                      Keep on fighting, I hope we win this one in a few decades and turn culture back proper as we currently don't have one.

                      [–]shadowq8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Would love to here your take on women enslavement.

                      [–]SlappaDaBayssMon 73 points74 points  (4 children)

                      Be shotgun baby - parents both 27

                      Live relatively normal life until about 9

                      Budweiser "iced tea" cans all over the house

                      Parents have friends over for cocktails all the time.

                      Vivid memory of mother riding away on back of motorcycle with dads friend

                      Affair. Busted. Divorce (10 now)

                      Cue spiral of depression and alcoholism in both parents.

                      Father is functioning 12-pack type. Mother is RAGING FUCKING PSYCHO

                      Mother has hep C, multiple blood transfusions - in and out of hospital and jail through teenage years. Lots and lots of tear filled drunken episodes.

                      Teenage me thinks he matters and can help. Disappointment.

                      Be 17, Dad, who was only levelheaded person in family, gets sick, dies 4 days later. Ironically, the hospital same room my mother almost died in a few years prior.

                      Spend next few years drifting between friends and relatives - smoke insane amounts of weed to numb pain

                      Run into old family (true) friend, RedPill as fuck, sees me down and out, offers me apprenticeship, room, guidance.

                      Time goes by, learn many skills and self-reliance

                      Eventually come here last year, and all of a sudden MY ENTIRE LIFE MAKES SENSE.

                      I really apologize for the greentext - I know the formatting rules - but this kind of stuff isn't easy for me to talk about. Nonetheless I still wanted to share. I'm 27 now, and I could very easily be sitting in a very similar position that my parents were at this age, were it not for the Manosphere.

                      This place literally saves lives.

                      [–]1R_E_D_1 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                      Thank you for sharing. Your story is encouraging for those living in like circumstances. Keep strong and keep building yourself bro.

                      [–]fittitthroway 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                      What do you do nowadays man?

                      [–]SlappaDaBayssMon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                      Well after the economy turned I got kind of forced out of the trades. I serve tables and bartend right now, working on a general AA because I still haven't found anything I'm passionate about enough to go through all the BS needed for a degree. I'm kind of at a weird plateau, but shit'll work itself out.

                      [–]Hitlers_Boss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Thats awesome for you. And just as great for the redpiller who helped a friend out of the darkness. For all the "live for yourself" mantra, i think its important to realize that some of us came here through others that cared enough to show us the way, others by accident. In any case, if theres ever a desire to help another man, i think it would be to instill values that can lift a man out of the shithole feminazi thinking and into a healthy and independent state of mind.

                      [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                      "This place literally saves lives"

                      Im one of those guys. This place pulled me out of a rut.

                      Thank you.

                      [–]Soriq 28 points29 points  (3 children)

                      We trade something priceless, that we will never recover – time – in exchange for something governments around the world have made up – money.

                      Reminds me of Patrice O'Neal's explanation of a Time Ho

                      It's not just women trying to whore out our time, it's society as well. Good post.

                      [–]1jb_trp 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                      Warren Farrell makes a great comparison of Men to Slaves (starts at about 8:00) in his book, "The Myth of Male Power."

                      [–]Traz_Onmale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Historically, both the male and female role can be compared to slavery. It only becomes unfair nowadays if a woman breaks free from her role while still expecting men to adhere to theirs.

                      [–]Soriq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      He really goes into great depth about what has happened to men and the similarities to slavery. Very relevant to the OP

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                      [–]the99percent1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                      Health is your number one resource. Followed by time. If you are not healthy, then time is significantly shortened.

                      Health is the most valuable resource you have. Preserve and don't squander it.

                      [–]1oldredder 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                      Time and leverage. Be it learning, investing or the purely mechanical kind of leverage, when you learn/do one thing which rapidly decreases the time/cost of the next (series of) thing(s) you earn back your time, save it, even if it was still wise to use your time for your benefit without the leverage.

                      Spread-sheets instead of calculators, rules of thumb in place of voluminous texts, memorizing patterns of weather & local maps instead of relying on maps in hand or GPS, etc. - there's various benefit/cost situations to balance out over time and all of it leads to you saving time thus having more time when you do it right.

                      [–]loveofnotes 11 points12 points  (3 children)

                      I realize a huge part of this post is anti-materialism, but you have affirmed that my ambition to experience a motorcycle is real.

                      [–]self_made_guy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I want one too. I'll get one, if it becomes boring I'll sell it. If not, I'll keep that beast.

                      I say go for it.

                      [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                      I'm printing this out. Brilliant.

                      [–]ModAerobus 33 points34 points  (14 children)

                      This post hurts to read because of how truthful it is. I urge the mods to sticky this.

                      Archwinger, you have shown us yet again that you are wise.

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                        [–]1oldredder 18 points19 points  (11 children)

                        and what is money today, vs what was money 100, 200 and 500 years ago?

                        Here's a hint. It wasn't paper, it wasn't IOU notes, it wasn't empty promises that can go to hyperinflation.

                        It was gold coin, and often silver coins too.

                        See that we don't use those anymore?

                        That's the key.

                        As late as 1933 you could, in America, trade $20 directly for a gold coin & they were legally equal currency. A lot of money in those days. As late as 1964 American quarters had 90% silver and Canadian quarters had 80%.

                        None today.

                        [–]WacoKid212 7 points8 points  (4 children)

                        I feel too many people on TRP don't appreciate the importance of this. The destruction of our money has direct correlations with the downfall of the American male.

                        [–]1oldredder 12 points13 points  (2 children)

                        For sure. And it's global. Not the peso, rouble, not the Franc are gold anymore and the European Euro is a horrific Frankenstein replacement of other currencies that were fiat but earlier were matched to gold before.

                        This is in fact the real red pill - finance, economics, war, agriculture, fraud/crime, sexual strategy & legal changes to all of it over time in every locale - but somehow this subreddit got the crazy idea to take just ONE subtopic and consider that to be the entire red pill. That, to me, is crazy-talk.

                        You can't exit 2% of the Matrix and be "unplugged"

                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        When the 2% occupies most people's actual time, and is the hardest emotionally, it becomes quite clear. Once you are through the first 2% (assuming you mean human relations), once the epiphany and acceptance occurs, the rest of the 98% is smooth sailing.

                        You don't even need to be red pilled for understanding economic or political reality. Any beta I know can understand this stuff easily. And, more importantly, is willing to accept it for what it is.

                        [–]LukesLikeIt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        It has allowed the ruling class to steal from the people through inflation. Inflation IS THEFT. Devaluing every other $ note by printing billions more each month is how they steal from you to continue their debt game. The total worth the bank "holds" remains the same but the amount each note represents decreases. When the note was tied to a fixed resource inflation was blatantly easy to see through.

                        [–]fap_the_pain_away 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Money used to be a certificate of deposit, backed by real actual gold/silver. Today we use currency backed by absolutely nothing. It's scary to think about.

                        [–]Shade_Raven 25 points26 points  (10 children)

                        Having a wife and kids is such a trap. You're spending and sucking your soul so 2+ people can live better or exist at all. Fuck that , the human race is overpopulated and I'm selfish. I care about me.

                        [–]Moolg86 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                        i'd almost say it needs an anger phase trigger warning. /s

                        but really, this is sidebar worthy.

                        [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (6 children)

                        Being a man in society is not being a slave... you're thinking of marriage.

                        Get a high paying job. Don't get married. Don't have kids. Retire early and live frugally.

                        [–]1oldredder 6 points7 points  (5 children)

                        a high-paying high-tax paying job is even more slavery as less of your work-hours translate to your own keeping. Having tax-free investments that grow reliably (hard) is, however, the way to do this (fiat paper) or to store goods that last a long time, are universally needed, or perhaps just needed a lot by your personal future rather than that of everyone (to barter).

                        What's bought cheap today and lasts for 10 years but rises in price is equal to getting financial gains every year of the future you could have bought the same things at higher prices - but didn't.

                        [–]fap_the_pain_away 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                        Can you give examples of physical goods that rise and keep up with inflation?

                        [–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        food, energy, land for agriculture.

                        Precious metals is a "yes" but with a qualifier: it actually has a giant 30-40 year cycle inverse to real-estate and some reasons for that is both are affected by loans/margin/credit and one is very easily carried while the other is not but is very attractive in stable times.

                        I'd also suggest: ammunition, guns, axes, hammers, nails, "lumber" (warning: if not properly treated it won't last so you can't just store it forever), alcohol, morphine (this shit will last forever), tobacco (can spoil but can be kept a while in good conditions)

                        [–]1reph 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                        I'll take a shot at this:

                        • Income-producing land & real estate
                        • Certain collectibles (art, vintage automobiles, etc)
                        • Precious metals

                        [–]delightful_dissident 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        A few more examples of collectibles:

                        • Firearms and ammunition

                        • Autographed sports memorabilia

                        • Dinosaur bones

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                        That was a rant worthy of anything from Esther Vilar's pen. I am telling you, Arch, there is a book inside you. Oh it may not be a best seller but it may also be one of those read by men who need it for a thousand years.

                        [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                        There are a lot of books inside of me. I'm just too busy trading my irreplaceable time for income.

                        [–]cariboo_j 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        I think it's important to live as a bachelor for a few years.

                        If you are unfortunate / foolish enough to (1) get married and (2) marry a materialistic woman, you will at least know from experience you can live without all the bed bath and beyond shit and big screen TVs.

                        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        My grandpa told my grandma he's not getting her shit on Valentines day because everyday with her is Valentines day. She accepted that with a smile and that was that.

                        [–]fortifiedoranges 25 points26 points  (9 children)

                        If you even casually browse TRP and decide to get married, you are dumb as fuck.

                        [–]JayViceroy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        This made me lol. As blunt as it is, it's also completely true. I just saw a picture of Dan Bilzerian and this billionaire I met in Miami last year named Bill Dean on a boat with 20 girls but reminded me of when I met him in person. I met him at the club on his property next to his mansion. He had just walked downstairs from his bedroom and had two 20 something year old model type chicks in bikinis on each arm and was high on some shit. Bill Dean is like 50. Don't get fucking married.

                        [–]kevkos 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                        Yeah but the guy that wrote The Rational Male is married for 18 years or something. Not sure how he justifies that, marriage aint red pill.

                        [–]JayViceroy 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                        He also argues that the dating scene and women in general have changed so much that if he was 20 something and single today he would not get married.

                        [–]RPDBF 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        Did he get married prior to being the "Rollo" though? (I forget) if you're already married and then discover/become red pill I guess you have to work with what you got and try to have a RP marriage because divorce is too expensive.

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                          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          I read this in George Carlin's voice. Bravo.

                          [–]giffengoods 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                          What's your call to action? I genuinely didn't get it. If working our asses off to make good money and have nice things are pointless, what are you suggesting we do? (Serious inquiry)

                          [–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Given (giffen?) your name I'd think the answer is obvious - improve yourself in tangible, permanent ways, stock up on real tangibles where it makes sense for your life, ensure you have real value, real skills, good health and fitness - and don't buy into the fiat consumerist feminist / Marxist regime pushed on us.

                          Unplug from the bullshit. Participate, as you desire, in what's left of society that isn't 100% bullshit to you. You gotta make your own evaluation depending on your locale & needs which aren't the same as every other man down to every detail.

                          [–]exceptionalEBOLA 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Sacrificing yourself for the sake of your offspring is a mans biological purpose. Lots of quality points in this post, but taking care of children is one of the most primal satisfactions.

                          [–]ChadThundercockII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

                          Neo: What truth?

                          Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.

                          [–]gprime312 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                          Daily reminder that gay guys have it best.

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Hang out with your best mate and get blow jobs? Count me in

                          [–]DonArturo 9 points10 points  (9 children)

                          Good screed. This reminded me of the Slave Test:

                          Are you a slave? Recently I wrote about how governments manufacture and evoke powerful symbols to essentially brainwash us and keep us obedient. I used an analogy of similar tactics in the past to efficiently maintain the obedience of household slaves. [...]

                          The slave test is incredibly simple. Just act like a free person. Go about your own business doing as you please violating no one, and politely decline to obey any orders. For instance, if someone claims you must produce for them on a regular basis, decline their demands. If you get a regular bill in the mail for anything you didn’t explicitly request, send it back with a polite statement that you choose not to pay. If, while driving safely without causing any accidents or harm, you get a blue light signal requesting that you pull over, give a polite wave and continue about your business. If after not paying one of those regular bills, you receive a printed order to show up at a certain location at a certain time, politely decline. If a man orders you to get in the back of his locked car, assert your freedom and politely decline. If you are able to peacefully go about your personal activities and politely decline to obey all orders, and if you are not subjected to violence for disobeying, then you have passed the slave test! Congratulations! You're a free person.

                          [–]LastActionHero86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Came for the /r/meditation coincidence, stayed because I’m divorced at 28 and just discovered this sub. Thanks for this post, really well written.

                          [–]someguysomewhere321 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                          Slavery has,been around since the dawn of mankind and today's min wage working conditions are little better than those of a peasant farmer working a landowners land.

                          Spending 9 hours at work (1h unpaid break) + at least 1h commute for most is not normal in settings closer to nature. A hunter / gatherer doesn't spend that kind of time working and a self sustainable farmer doesn't either.

                          If you aren't on the lowest end of the slave chain (no health insurance and spending virtually all your time working min wage jobs) you're still earning scarily small amounts, if you calculate your hourly income based on money you actually have left at the end of the month after your standard non luxurious living expenses.

                          This is of course still much better than in developing countries, but none the less you're a slave to the x percent that run the show.

                          Even a high paid manager is still a high level slave.

                          Being my own man has been much of my journey to me, going from min wage slave, to self employed slave (if the is no big upside you're just replacing one job with another), to business founder (without loans, not getting pimped by banks) to passive income investor.

                          I'm not wealthy and live a moderate lifestyle, but I'm free at last, while the current generation largely won't be able to retire in western Europe.

                          [–]markfeel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          [–]zarus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          According to Duc Saint-Simoun, one of the primary causes of the French Revolution was the culture of irrational extravagance that was encouraged by King Louis XIV of France, which led to widespread debt and social disorder.

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                          [–]fhghg 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                          Meditate, educate, procreate.

                          [–]Rougepellet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Even before redpill, i never really understood valentines day and didn't care much about it. Now i realize how retarded the whole thing is. "But its supposed to be a day to show how deep your love is" shut the fuck up. What asscrack decided the specific day i am to drop hundreds of dollars for something "special" on a specific day every year?

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Wow. simply wow. You've successfully described millions of men's lives and I'm included.

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Give society or women 10 minutes and they will take 10 years.

                          It's not only possible to waste your life, it's made easier every day.

                          Get out. Go. Do something. Get action before it's too late. It may already be too late.

                          [–]SelfEvolved3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          What is the fucking solution? With career etc. What is the alternative to going to uni to getting a job? start working retail? I want to hear some advice ahah i'm 20 years old and I feel pretty lost.

                          [–]bojackhorsemen 4 points5 points  (11 children)

                          As someone that girls fuck for free, I've never understood why I should date or get married. Seems like a bad idea to me. Lol

                          [–]surfjihad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Well bojack you are kind of a big time washup actor

                          [–]1oldredder 5 points6 points  (8 children)

                          Your time is free? Or the girls line up so fast you literally just open the door and they're already stripping and trying to suck your dick?

                          [–]kevkos 4 points5 points  (6 children)

                          We're all slaves. Taxes are extortion at the point of a gun. Slavery.

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                            [–]kevkos 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                            "It's not perfect" is a copout. Your money gets extracted to pay for drones to bomb the middle east, not just waste.

                            Success comes despite the government, not because of it. They are not here to protect anyone, they are here to take their cut. If their so-called "services" were so essential, why must they force everyone to pay for them?

                            Newsflash they ARE stealing your money via taxation and inflation.

                            When was the last time some cop stopped a robbery from happening? That almost never happens, it's up to you to protect your wealth, the government won't help.

                            You are a slave all the way, you can't leave, there is no choice, and you must pay or go to jail. Not freedom. Slavery.

                            [–]swishandswallow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            My two cents: The first part is completely true, we do exchange our time/sweat/blood for stuff that only that has perceived value (except necessities). We pay into a system that takes more than it gives, BUT that system has gotten humanity this far and WAS crucial to our existence up until now. Now the system is taking more from us than what we are getting. We are giving time/labor and getting back debt, sickness, stress. With the technology available today we can live off the grid, grow our own food and literally enjoy the fruit of our labor. The second part I disagree with, I think The Red Pill isn't about fanaticism or bitterness. TRP is about reality and level headedness. We KNOW that love and loyalty is a myth, we know that interaction between men and women is an exchange, nothing more. Men that know how the system works can use it to their advantage. You should be on top of your game for yourself, women will gravitate toward that. Red pill men know that there is no love, when a woman says she "loves you", what she's really saying is, " you currently satisfy my needs". When you know the system you can toss a woman to the side because you're not bound by the shackles of "love" or society's "norm" and go for the blond in the coffee shop with the big knockers because she will now satisfy your needs.

                            [–]PRjuan 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                            one way out of this madness or at least something that would help a lot would be to legalize prostitution.

                            And that is why it wont be legalized....

                            [–]DonArturo 16 points17 points  (3 children)

                            It already is perfectly legal in my part of the world. (A gentle reminder that not everyone on TRP is located in a certain arbitrary region of North America.)

                            [–]hibloodstevia 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                            I guess the question that is more to /u/PRjuan 's point is whether or not having legal prostitution in these other countries makes a difference or not.

                            Well, anyone have a comment on that?

                            [–]Blu37empest 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                            I honestly feel it doesn't make a difference at all, women are almost oblivious to the fact that every industrial area is littered with legal brothels (Sydney, Australia). Of the few times I have been to them, usually 2-3am the carparks are all full with 10+ girls working at a time. The common misconception here is that "normal guys" would never go to a brothel, but almost everyone I know has used one before at least once if not regularly. For contrast im on an average wage of about $300 a day and the brothels in my area charge $100 per 40 mins so its not all that expensive IMO.

                            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            This. I wish I had more to say, but I am overwhelmed by reading this.

                            [–]thatguylikeaaronhall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Love is more important than money I'm 17 and have never held this ideal. I'm glad you recognize the bullshit in this statement.

                            [–]watersign 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            one of the reasons why we're seeing an economic slow down......more and more people are waking up to the scam that the American dream is...

                            [–]MyRedPillLife 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                            "It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." - George Carlin

                            [–]DoctorConiMac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            This reminds me of Mark Passio's What On Earth is Happening podcast. The last 3-4 episodes have mentioned the gender dynamics at work in the world from a universal perspective.

                            Does anyone else listen to the podcast?

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                            [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Depends. Sometimes a guy could see 2 women, see 1 will put up resistance, see the next will just give in for sex now, and just go for that girl. That's game/strategy too but it's not what he did with the 1st girl - he just next'ed her.

                            [–]aa223 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            I think from the comments the question I should ask is how much stock do any of us put in our time? As you know time is finite and thus our finances are finite so how much do we value our time and how much are we willing to invest in our time lost?

                            [–]TRPKid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            This was a good read and really helped put the big picture in perspective. Thanks for sharing.

                            [–]bluedrygrass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Excellent read, worth every second of it. A perfect summary of what it's like to be a man in our society (and even in the recent past ones.)

                            Particularly significative the self medicating drugs, videogames andother harmful stuff part.

                            [–]Entershikari 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            You don't buy stuff with money but with your time

                            [–]Imrockbottom 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            Great post, but I gotta ask. How do you escape the financial "matrix" so to speak? Sure, practicing frugality/minimalism and staying single and childless helps, but how do you make money without wasting time in higher education or working like a slave?

                            [–]Shade_Raven 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Why would anyone give you anything if you give nothing of value. That's not how it works.

                            [–]Waldo00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            How else do you control the population in a civilization. Money is made up for the losers who otherwise wouldn't contribute anything for society.

                            [–]Hennez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            This is a great read OP. Exactly what I've been thinking even before swallowing the pill.

                            The question that arises from this point of view is the following: how to break free?. Is the thing that I've been thinking the most about lately. One thing would be to mentally break free (is the first step required) and the other, a bit more difficult to acomplish, to break physically free (that is materialistically).

                            In order to achieve the latter you will require to take the most from the society that we're trying to break free from and then make the best out of yourself in order to triumph IN it. It's a bit fucked up but doable. As there is not a single road to achieve this, the way to achieve it is often clouded in mistery and a life-changing trip for any man attempting it.

                            What would the TRP community's thoughts on this matter be?

                            [–]Dillett7799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Add Tim Farris's "Four Hour Work Week" to your reading list for a more in depth talk on this same subject. For you red pillers who still refuse to read (I know you lazy cunts are out there) it's available as an audiobook.

                            [–]Totsean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Every time I think about marriage this place kicks my ass. Thank you for reminding me what's more important.

                            [–]Lord_Varys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            A house can be a good investment. Better than renting where you just throenthr moneu away and have nothing to show for it.

                            And sports leagues for junior are good for him. Teaches him to compete and be a team player. If you wanna have a kid might as well make him the best he can be.

                            [–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            The Manipulated Man is required reading for anyone here at TRP. Good post.

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