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Red Pill TheoryA List of Approach Invitations (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Hector_Castillo

Saw a really good post put up about looking out for signals, both positive or negative. Wanted to share a few I've noticed over the years.

Maybe these are obvious to you, maybe some will surprise you.

The positive ones I call approach invitations.

The negative signals I call "fuck off."

Recognize either and you'll find a lot more success with approaches, especially during the day. Remember, women are women and that doesn't change during the day.

Their invitations might even be super obvious but you're not looking for them because your culture has programmed you to think of nighttime venues as the only houses of worship for sex.

Approach Invitations

  • Looks at you for more than 1.5 seconds. Unless you have something on your face, she is signaling for you to approach or at least that she's interested. In most cases, don't hesitate. Immediately approach. Anything longer than this is the female equivalent of her saying, "I think your penis would look nice in my mouth."

  • Looks at you more than once. A quick glance and a lookaway could be ambiguous, but a girl looking at you more than once? Bright green light. Approach. Women are very careful with whom they look at, as they don't want to actively draw unwanted attention from losers (though they will dress scampy as a passive strategy for attention, many of it unwanted, and then feign anger when they get it).

  • If she's with a group of friends and they suddenly get quiet around you, this is a sign of attraction. They're nervous and submissive around you and you didn't do shit but be you. Introduce yourself.

  • If she's with a group of friends and their volume suddenly gets much louder than before, this is also a sign of attraction; they're trying to get your attention.

  • If she's walking close behind you at a steady pace, it's a yellow light. A girl who doesn't want to be in your presence will either speed past you or slow down so that you walk ahead of her. Look back and see if you can catch her eyes, smile, and hit her with a casual "hello." Sometimes she'll speed up then walk next to you for conversation.

  • If she's walking behind you, speeds up to overtake you, but then slows down once she's in front of you, this is a big sign. She wants you to see her, especially her ass. Upgrade to super green light if she walks in front of you after the passover. She really wants you to see her ass. A casual, "Excuse me," into a compliment or introduction works wonders here. A girl did this once and I noticed a back tattoo. Asked her about it and she hooked hard. A few hours later she was swallowing my meat.

  • If she's walking parallel with you and maintains your pace. A simple, "Hey, how are you?" suffices, since she's already in your bubble.

  • If you're waiting for the walk light, train, bus, etc., and she moves from standing far away from you to closer to you, she's interested. Upgrade to super green light if it's immediately after you enter the scene and you notice her notice you.

  • If a girl is standing around you and starts to look around aimlessly. Bonus points if she always seems to be interested in the area around you. If you want to be super sure and break your internal Matrix with how obvious women are, let her do it for a while but only watch her through your peripheral vision. You'll see her break the act and go from looking "behind" you to a quick stare at you or even a full check-out. If you want to have fun, catch them in that moment and give her very strong eye contact then open.

  • If a girl is in line with you or around you for more than a few seconds and sighs for seemingly no reason, hit her with a, "Having a bad day?" or make a dumb joke about the line. If there's something you can make any comment about in the vicinity, do it, even if it's dumb. The goal is to talk to her and she's verbally shown interest in talking to someone and since you're close it might be you.

  • If she's around you and starts to stand on the balls of her feet or arch her back, she's feelin' girly and nervous. Muster your best deep voice and make her purr.

  • If she moves her hair away from you and exposes her neck in your direction. Or if she plays with her hair at all, especially while walking towards and passed you on the street. Good video of a blonde chick doing this do Rory Mcilroy on the green. Check the Tube.

  • If she looks at you then looks down when you meet her eye, you've got submission. Which is good.

  • At somewhere like a grocery store, if she comes into your aisle and takes a strangely long time to survey the wide variety of fucking chicken or whatever aisle you're in, there's a good chance she's waiting for you to talk to her and then give her your chicken.

  • If she asks you for directions somewhere, there's a good chance she's interested. Out of all the people on the street, she chose you. This is a yellow light, as she could just be asking for directions, but strike up a conversation and if she stays in it, she's down to clown.

A lot of these windows are quick and you need to act. The hotter they think you are or the more masculine/aggressive she is, the more obvious the signs, but even the most predatory women will get annoyed if you don't pick up on their signals. By being subtle women avoid looking low-quality/thirsty and it also weeds out pussies/clueless chumps. Don't be that guy. Pounce.

Now, just as they give out approach invitations, they also give out their fare share of "fuck off" signals.

Fuck-Off

  • If she's wearing sunglasses or headphones, this is a passive "fuck-you" to everyone. Only the ballsiest of men will approach anyways. Get in her field of vision and gesture for her to take her headphones out. If you're hot enough, she'll be happy and even give you bonus points for not giving a fuck about the subtle barriers she put up.

  • She looks at you and then breaks up contact upwards. She's communicating that she's higher value than you (or at least perceives that you are, which is all that matters to her). If she breaks eye contact to the side, it's a yellow light. Could go either way. Also, if her breakaway is overly dramatic, it's also a yellow-light. Could be genuine disgust or she's trying to play hard to get (either because she thinks you're out of her league or she's ovulating and is angry horny).

  • She doesn't even make any eye contact with you or look in your direction while walking past you (you coming towards her and her coming towards you).

  • She randomly "answers" her phone in your presence. This is a big fuck-you, especially if she spotted you checking her out moments prior.

  • She sees you walking towards her and gets her phone out to text. Maybe it's her pretending to look busy/cool, but usually it's a "fuck you."

  • Resting bitch face. Though, this one is ambiguous most of the time and I particularly like bitchy girls, so I'll approach and even call her out on it.

  • Doesn't return eye-contact as you pass each other.

  • While standing around you is turned away from you. If she's interested, she'd usually give you some sort of invitation. Why? Because she noticed you. I promise. Women are hyper-aware of everyone around her. They have to be (the male human is both her greatest desire and the greatest potential threat to her safety).

  • She's walking quickly and determinedly towards her direction.

  • She's on your side of the street but switches sides as she walks towards you or notices you behind her/in front of her, and still continues to walk in the same direction.

  • She's next to you on a busy street but then moves and puts a person or several between you and her.

  • She chooses a spot in the coffee shop far away from you.

There are many more for both categories, but that should suffice to show you the general patterns of interest and disinterest.

However, there is one note that I've found to be really strangely true and has made me question my views on determinism.

If you see a girl and you find yourself getting excited, feel an extreme "pull" towards her, and find her breathtakingly beautiful (see: different from "hot"; that's your dick talking), I'd say there's a 95% chance that she will love your approach. Even when I was a newb and didn't really have any of my passive qualities on lock (fitness, fashion, hairstyle, etc), women who I found stunning would always give me really warm responses when I approached. I'd obviously fumble the actual conversation itself and either puss out and dip out too early or fuck up the escalation, but the attraction was there. That's not even game, that's straight biological symmetry (pheromones or w/e) or fate, if you're a hard determinist - either way, doesn't matter, it's a pattern that's too frequent to deny, in my experience.

I usually only approach nowadays if I feel that pull to her or if she gives me a signal, because after over 10,000 approaches, shotgun approaching tires me, but sometimes, if i'm the mood, I'll approach regardless of any bad sign, because fuck it why not. Sometimes you'll be surprised.

If you're hitting lots of walls with approaches, you're very likely ignoring "fuck-off"s and not looking out for invitations.

Hope this helps. Mostly applies to day game, but the signals don't change much at night, though they do get both more nuanced and more obvious at night.

Hector Castillo


[–]prodigy2throw 143 points144 points  (22 children)

Also worth noting that the more you approach and are around people, you will naturally pick up these cues if you stay conscious of people's actions around you.

The biggest battle for most people is getting out of the house and interacting with people regularly.

[–]Hector_Castillo[S] 38 points39 points  (16 children)

Very correct :)

I remember in an interview long ago, Mystery was joking to Jimmy Kimmel that the biggest thing is to "get out of the house." Jimmy kept teasing him about it, but no other piece of advice is more useful.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (15 children)

Double that for we remote workers.

I've been working remotely for 3 years. The 2nd year was wonderful, as I had a girlfriend doing a gap year before grad school living with me....we ate and fucked and backpacked....it was awesome. This last year has kind of sucked, but I needed some Monk Mode.

I'm taking a class partly to force myself out of my apartment. I live right next to a train station, takes me right to campus. I had success as a late 30's unemployed slob, without even trying....if I'm not a warlord as a 45 y/o very fit and well dressed professional who climbs rocks for fun, I'm doing something drastically wrong.

I saved your list, thanks for taking the time to put it together.

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    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    I hope you do!

    I think guys come to TRP in the anger phase.....I wonder how many pull their shit together, turn into warlords, and not have time for TRP....It seems like men who take much benefit should stick around after anger phase and post successes.

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      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Best dude I ever met on a group hike was fascinated by knowing the origin of life (biogeneisis) and 80% of the mind of one woman. Mid 60's, retirement in old school energy stocks. Great fucking guy. Oh yeah, trail head was at over 11.000 feet.

      Hikes can be savage, bro. Extra eyes amplify things. I'm too close to bitch now, bro, so I'll back off....thanks for the update.

      [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 2 points3 points  (10 children)

      Cheers brother. I'm also a remote worker (I write this shit for a living. Pretty close to dream job) so I understand the isolation thing. I usually pickup when on errands but sometimes I'll accept a party invite or force myself to go out because I realize I haven't talked to another human in person besides some plates lol.

      Monk mode is great tho. I love it.

      That travel girlfriend sounds amazing btw.

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      She brought me to the Red Pill, bro. I had a wife of 9 years and another of 3....first was a 4, second was a 3....(granted 1-10 is a shitty metric).....all of a sudden, I had a solid 8 19 y/o on my arm, at 39.....we had a 4.5 year run.

      Get this....she's already visited (and fucked) me once this summer, and is coming back to head up to Wyoming to go backpacking and watch the eclipse.

      We decided 2.5 years in that we would break up when she got into grad school....she wants a family and all that....we didn't know she'd have a gap year, she blew the GRE....I said there's no reason to leave, let's just have fun....she nailed the GRE the next go around (top 5% #'s) and got into a great school....

      Last summer, it was time for her to go. We packed up her stuff, I drove her out there, helped her set up her place, backpacked the coast, fucked in a cottage overlooking the ocean, and I flew home alone. How's that for a break up story?

      I became convinced there are better ways to organize my life.....TRP has been very instructive, as has Blackdragon.....I'm going for the Alpha 2.0 lifestyle, I prefer younger women (as we all do) but don't want monogamy from them.....I'm just a fuck toy, they really should be dating guys their age anyway. I'm going for a "older guy with his shit perfectly together doing his own awesome shit and is completely unneedy" vibe....I needed a year of Monk Mode but I'm pretty much there. Impeccable grooming, low bodyfat, visible muscles (and improving).....sweet bachelor pad.....got into lead climbing.....that's the most annoying part about approach anxiety, as if it's anything like climbing above the last bolt. I'm badly running out of excuses.

      [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      Last summer, it was time for her to go. We packed up her stuff, I drove her out there, helped her set up her place, backpacked the coast, fucked in a cottage overlooking the ocean, and I flew home alone. How's that for a break up story?

      Can't think of a better one, honestly. She'll remember you until the day she dies. No drama, just pure mature acceptance of the next step in your lives.

      .I'm just a fuck toy, they really should be dating guys their age anyway

      Pro tip, women love older men. The only reason the "creepy old man" meme has been spread in our culture is because older women shame older men from dating younger women. It's a mating tactic. Make older men think they can't get younger girls so they marry the washed up hags who can't land anyone below 40.

      Many of the smoking hot girls in college I knew all had at least one fling with an older guy while in their teens (I'm talking late 20s and even guys into their 30s). If you're an established guy (i.e., got money and something to his name), you can easily outcompete a younger guy, even if he's got better game, because you have something he doesn't - raw experience.

      A few of my clients are in their 30s and 40s and once I get them approaching hot, younger girls, it blows their minds how the women respond.

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      Some observations from having a smokeshow half my age on my arm for 4.5 years:

      • Younger women had no problem with it.
      • Put together younger men had no problem with it.
      • Old men fucking loved it.
      • Weak younger men and any woman above 30 fucking hated it.

      I've gotten a lot better at opening people, and in fact I'm going climbing this afternoon with a dude I met at a bar, really cool guy. "How to talk to everyone" is one of my favorite Red Pill posts.....at this point, I'm planning on following the Good Looking Loser's advice (shoot the breeze with many people.....at least once per day make sure it's an attractive woman and ask her out to drinks that night.....if they go for it or you're at the bar already, ask them to join you for a nightcap....oh, and never leave your place unless it and you are looking good) to land women & the Blackdragon model for actually spinning the plates.....I don't doubt coaching can be helpful, but I'm pretty good looking etc., I just need to get out there and do it.

      I know it's hard to believe, but the appeal of younger women isn't just that they're hotter (though of course they are). There's just such freedom in it. The top is blown totally off, anything can be talked about. I'm actually quite the catch, but it's in my nature to be generous and kind.....I have BB written all over me.....I'm doing older women a favor by leaving them alone. I will never give them what they want.

      [–]iamneptuno 1 point2 points  (6 children)

      Anyone who's getting IOIs while running errands needs no advice.

      I'm happy for you for having a handsome face, sport, but the majority of the male population lives in another reality, lift or not.

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        [–]iamneptuno 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        You are only getting IOIs out of the blue if you are above average looking. Period. There's just nothing else females know about you at that point.

        And many handsome males don't even realize the gift they were born with, because they never knew anything else.

        Another possibility is that those are not IOIs. The proximity is bullshit, getting silent or loud is bullshit, walking near you is bullshit. But if they look you in the eye and smile, or give you two or more glances repeatedly, that means something.

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          [–]iamneptuno 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          You don't count pheromones?

          No, I don't, because I have never seen them. The NoFap theories are plenty, but it's all useless broscience.

          Posture has no effect on attraction, except when it's actually deformed.

          There's no social proof running errands. By the way, your example is flawed, because it involves "a pretty blonde" already responding well with no previous social proof.

          Nah none of that is relevant, looks is the ONLY POSSIBLE THING, right?!

          When you're running errands during day -- yes, right.

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              [–]prodigy2throw 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              You ow out and fix yourself. Either you look ugly or say creepy shit. Practice getting better at that. Or it's just bad timing and you interrupted a convo. Happens. Not a big deal at all. Can't please everyone all the time.

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                [–]NYComrade 119 points120 points  (3 children)

                Regarding pulling out the phone when you are walking towards them- I think this is more out of nervousness or awkwardness than anything else.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 19 points20 points  (1 child)

                Also, many of the girls I've opened had headphones in when I went up to them. It's really not a fuck you. I just signal with my hand like I'm pulling out an imaginary headphone as I walk up to them and then open normally.

                As for approaching in general, so many girls will compliment you on having the balls to do that. Even if they don't like you. Practice up! It gets easier the more you do.

                [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 23 points24 points  (1 child)

                This is a very good reference of approach signals, one that every man should familiarize himself with if he is not already. Learn these, look out for them in the field, and use them to improve your opening game.

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                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Thanks man! Happy to help.

                Yeah, it's like defending against a punch. If you don't pay attention to the telegraphing, it's light out for Glen CoCo. If you don't see her approach (and it is really the female equivalent of an approach, isn't it, since they're the passive sex?), then she's gone. Lights out, no pussy. Although, I'll still approach after. Occasionally, she's not totally autorejected and you can reverse the slight fuckup from your hesitation.

                You're self aware of the issue of cluelessness, so that means it will be correct very soon.

                "The only limit is your mind!" or some other wise quip. Either way, soldier on, mang!

                [–]jumpinoutmyskin 66 points67 points  (8 children)

                This is quality stuff, but some should be common sense. I want to emphasize two of your points, eye contact and what she does with her hands.

                Two examples: You pony up to the bar, and gaze across the scenery. If you make eye contact with a girl and lock eyes, see what she does next. Some of the best green lights I have ever received are the following; 1. smiles 2. Looks down then back up 3. pushes her hair behind her ear (this one is my swooning point). 4. Looks to her friends then back at you 5. Awkwardly tries to take a drink/spills her drink/ trips over herself getting caught staring at you. You have about 2-3 minutes to make a move before she overthinks the situation and will next you in her head.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

                Yeah, it's common sense to guys like us, but for a lot of new RPs/PUAs/etc, this stuff breaks paradigms of reality. Had one client recently lose his shit at how often women are actually shooting him signals, especially when some of the signals he formerly took as signs of disinterest, like a girl looking down. Totally changed his world view and now he's gonna be an approach machine.

                1. pushes her hair behind her ear (this one is my swooning point).

                Oh yes.

                1. Looks to her friends then back at you

                Love this one.

                On a similar note, it was late in the interaction, but when I invited some chick to fuck in the bathroom, she went for a quick recon mission to her table and her friend listened to her, then looked at me, smiled, and then looked back at her friend and nodded. Friend approval is huge and if a chick looks at her friend then back at you, there's likely some lightning speed subcommunication going on.

                Now if only another group of her friends hadn't noticed us heading into the men's bathroom when they exited from the ladies' room and tried to intervene, I would have gotten more than a blowjob. Goddamned ASD.

                You have about 2-3 minutes to make a move before she overthinks the situation and will next you in her head.

                Yep.

                A fun option, if you don't immediately approach (or if you don't want to) is to move your group nearby hers and have animated conversations with your friend(s). Then, catch her looking at you again and open the group. She'll make some comment to you and then you're in. Social proof + approach invitation + natural open = ungodly wet women.

                [–]BlueBlus 11 points12 points  (6 children)

                should be

                I agree but most of us haven't had the luxury of having the ability to learn social cues.

                [–]antariusz 7 points8 points  (5 children)

                Too much time spent playing World of Warcraft. Lists like this were super useful to me when I was first learning pickup.

                The reason the hair playing thing is so powerful of a signal is that often women do it intentionally and consciously, because it's a learned behavior for them as a way to signal interest. Sometimes it's subconscious, but many of the other behaviors "always" are, and if she's conspicuously intentionally trying to get your attention, it becomes easy mode after that.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                I think my final /played in WoW was 9,600 hours. I quit back in 2011. Probably around double that with Street Fighter IV (all iterations; played competitively) and at 614 hours with Dota 2 (I actively play that meow when I don't feel like writing). Shit, this isn't the right subreddit...

                [–]antariusz 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                I was at around 10,000 hours in wow also, probably similar numbers in Everquest for the 8 years before wow, I don't remember my /played time there, but at least I was able to sell my character for 800 bucks (well equipped mage on Sullon Zek) before the market collapsed.

                But yea, for a few years I turned that level of dedication into getting laid and ended up with a 200+ notch count.

                So yea, I'm pretty much the poster boy for how this subreddit can improve your life, things are way better than they were for me when I quit.

                [–]zork3001 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                but at least I was able to sell my character for 800 bucks

                So you were entertained and earned eight cents an hour while doing so. Brav. OH!

                [–]kennybaselinesims 11 points12 points  (4 children)

                One sign I have noticed is a woman going out of her way to get close to you, or to get your attention. A few days ago at work a woman was walking past me and "accidentally" bumped into the back of my chair, even though there was plenty of space to walk through cleanly.

                This could be easy to write off as clumsiness, but I have noticed other signs similar to those mentioned in the post. Haven't acted on it because I'm new to this and this is work. That being said, I would like to fuck her.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                Yep!

                If a girl "accidentally" bumps into you, especially when you're both crossing an intersection or in a busy bar, it is not by accident. Women are too aware of their surroundings (usually) to do that.

                So yeah, I think that chick wanted some cock, if I were to guess.

                A good response is, "Are you okay?" in a nice but slightly patronizing tone, as if to say, "Aw, silly girl, you're so cute." Ask her name afterwards and bam, you're in set.

                [–]kennybaselinesims 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                I think I will need a different approach because she's at a more senior level than I am. Under normal circumstances I would completely disregard the age factor but I'm walking the work tightrope. It could look bad if I come off as condescending to a manager. What do you think?

                [–]adam_varg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Dont shit where you eat ffs unless its mcdonalds or something. No exceptions, it always backfire sooner or later.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                She's not going to see you as a sexual option unless she's sees you as an equal or superior. At some point, you gotta let her know she's the woman and you're the man. The rare exception is when she goes full Dom on you, but that relationship doesn't sound fun unless you're super green with women and need a crash course in how domination works.

                Also, shitting where you work - fuck it, dude, life is short. But I'm a crazy fucker, so when it comes to office politics, i'm not the best person to listen to (I've only ever worked at bars/nightclubs before turning full-time writer and I STILL almost got fired from every job I've had because I am quite literally that talented at lighting people's egos on fire. Never once had an office job, save for one summer counselor job and an assistant job with a professor).

                [–]JohnnyCocktails93 11 points12 points  (6 children)

                If OP is the same Hector Castillo from Girlschase - I'd like to give you a big thanks. Your material on that site really helped my development as a PUA and own my attributes/personality in a way that attracts women.

                Overall, my biggest takeaway from this post is the importance of being perceptive and trusting your judgment when you see a positive sign instead of second guessing yourself.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

                It is indeed the same one. I'm happy to have been a boon your journey, brother. Always brings a smile to my face to hear this.

                Your takeaway is accurate :)

                [–]electricspresident 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                You and Chase were my favourite writers other guys were good but they wrote more theory than practice work, also there was lack of development for mindset; cuz when u got the right mindset all the small shitt becomes easy, and that's where TRP excels better

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

                Thanks, man!

                Yeah, Chase's position (and mine, too) is that mindsets come naturally after you do the ground-work. We don't see thought experiments and cultural analysis as useful until you've seen some success with women, because then it's actually applicable and, also, you're not coming into a relationship with a woman (on any point in the spectrum, casual or serious) with too many preconceived notions.

                TRP is full of guys who are full of theory but I'm suspicious of their actual, IRL successes and how much they really apply said theories. Whenever I see a guy come into a thread, like this one, and pop off with something like, "I don't wait for invitations. I invite myself; I'm a man!" I immediately know that this guy is probably a beginner or a complete KJ. Rarely is he actually a successful natural. If he is, he's probably a low IQ sociopath.

                That's why on the GC forums, if you're not posting Lay Reports, we don't take you seriously. They're pretty hard to fake, too, and I've only seen one guy posting on the boards who I'm like 90% sure is making shit up.

                We prefer for a guy to get in a relationship, tell us what's going on, then we hit him with some knowledge. He learns in real time (or in retrospect when he comes back to us after some bad shit goes down).

                My MMA coach put it best - you can't learn to juggle by reading. Just fucking throw shit in the air and try to do it. The learning will happen naturally if you pay attention.

                Let's say you get in a relationship and get cheated on and weren't RP before said experience. Then you evaluate your relationship, find your weak points and realize why she cheated. That's how a lot of RP guys swallow the pill right? Well, there's the potential confirmation bias of the RP is that you naturally conclude that since women are hypergamous, she cheated...why? Well, because she's a woman and she's hypergamous! You wipe your hands clean of the issue and move on. She's a slut. AWALT.

                Unfortunately, this doesn't assess the actual problem - perhaps you weren't satisfying her emotionally anymore, or sexually, or she felt like the relationship wasn't going anywhere. Women cheat for a reason, even the crazy ones. At GC, the cultural/mindset arguments are secondary. Our first concern is how something happened and how to prevent it. For a lot of RPs, they either go full MGTOW or they completely dismiss LTRs. It's paradigmatic autorejection. I'm generalizing, of course, and there are a few studs I see roaming around here who probably succeed all around with women, but for the most part, you got guys in the "anger phase."

                But hey, man, if you've found a home at TRP, I ain't gonna hate on that. I mean, I'm hanging out here and seeing who likes my shit. I'll tell the host of the house how I feel but I'm not gonna concern troll.

                If the mindsets of the community are more beneficial to you than GC was, then godspeed homie. I'm just happy I got to play a small part in your growth. Means the world to me.

                Though, if you talked to Chase privately, you'd actually find him agreeing, at least on a mechanical level, with nearly everything in the RP, but what's amazing about it, is that he says it with such casualness and acceptance that it doesn't affect him anymore.

                "Oh yeah (insert really dark truth about women), but you can usually avoid it by doing X or just not dating that type of woman, but yeah, women are cute and silly."

                It's absolutely mindblowing how fucking Zen he is about the darkest shit. I've almost completely mastered this shit, too. I just need to attain absolute abundance and I'm done, but even now, with the "dark stuff" that a lot of RPs get mad about, I laugh about, because it is silly, even if sometimes it's really fucked up (e.g., FRA's, divorce rape, etc). And it's not schadenfreude, either. I have personal experience with some of that really dark shit that made me accept the dark sides of humanity with a smile and a shrug. It's really just better over here in the light.

                Edit: that turned into quite the rant =/ sorry bout dat.

                [–]CCIG2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                I'll go further than you and say that this subreddit actively filters out dudes who are successful with women, and only keeps in the inexperienced, the bitter, and the hopeless.

                For example, I posted a question on AskTRP a few months ago about how to follow up with a girl I had approached in the library. She was working at the desk and my opener was, "Hey. Do you have a stapler?" I got her # eventually and posted a question about logistics.

                Thread got a couple replies -- one of them said: your opener was wrong and made you seem like a beta. Don't ask questions during openers. Only make statements like an alpha; you shoulda said, "Give me a stapler."

                That reply got 15 upvotes. So that's 15 dudes who don't leave their rooms and don't know how to interact normally with people.

                Instead of learning the way that social interactions work via experience, they seal themselves off in a hermetically-isolated room Red Pill theories on how the world should work for a so-called alpha.

                [–]electricspresident 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Damn, really really appreciate the response. It means a lot. I was a crazy reader for a year and a half over there and I see now it makes more sense, learning by doing. I think I definitely had information overload from that site haha. Not hating, all posts were way above average and some were outstanding with revelations about the game that no other PUA/TRP has uncovered. After all game is skill.

                I lacked my inner strength especially since I'm pretty good at normal social cues but it's hard to get anywhere when you can't even get a foot in the door. I have currently solved everything except for social status like how does a nobody become somebody, especially in a cliquey town where people are only open to meeting hot shitt kind. It's a mental 'stuck'. I mean that's how you'll get your abundance easy. A good circle nets you a ton of friends that nets you ton of easy opportunities.

                Anyway I digressed, TRP allowed me to understand the inner workings of women. I got a sense of peace cause now I felt like I was in on the whole secret. Also the big one of lifting that's advised here so much is what gets ur foot inside doors u know - confidence, amused mastery so on comes naturally with little work while I felt GC required more work that seemed complicated.

                All in all good job and thanks for joining us, hoping u stay maybe talk about how u guys don't hate how these hoes can't be trusted ya know haha

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I think I definitely had information overload from that site haha

                I did the same, too. Before I started writing, I read every damn article on the site twice (and there were 1,000+ at the time, I think?). I sincerely went crazy a few times downloading it all. It takes time. I always suggest now that guys take their time and focus on what's in front of them.

                I have currently solved everything except for social status like how does a nobody become somebody, especially in a cliquey town where people are only open to meeting hot shitt kind

                Shoot me a PM or an email at [email protected] if you want to talk about social status. It's the first thing I really mastered having done the whole Big Man on Campus thing at my college. Reputation is a fickle cunt, but she's fun.

                Also the big one of lifting

                Yeah that changes your life. Only downside is I got super aggressive with all that T and got into a few fights because of it. Gotta be careful.

                All in all good job and thanks for joining us, hoping u stay maybe talk about how u guys don't hate how these hoes can't be trusted ya know haha

                Haha, cheers, man. I think I'll stay here for a while. Here and Seddit. These hoes may not be loyal, but if you play the game right, you can usually active their loyalty, if that makes sense? I love women, even when they're crazy bitches.

                [–]CCIG2 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                Great post

                When a girl makes eye contact with you, for like 2-3 seconds from across the room, what do you say to her when you walk up to her?

                [–]sHAWKAZAR 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                Gym girl, late night session that was last night. She would float round the hammer strength machines I was using as she would also be using the ones close and opposite me.

                Earlier on I saw her enter the gym (always a massive sausage fest so any female that enters heads turn) and she hit the bikes for a warmup. Well my end of session finished on the bike and she came back to use the bike next to me at the end of her session...double bike?! some dude took the last bike whilst she went to the toilets/WC, so she had to hit the treadmills, on the other side of me.

                I had it in my head she was into me...but maybe our gym programs just aligned that night out of coincidence. However she had ear phones in at the gym is a major 'fuck off'. Hell, even I wear them as it's my 'fuck off' I want to grind/therapy time.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                Look at her while cycling and see if you can catch some eye fucking and smile. Also, get off or stop for a break and see if she follows suit. If she does, "How much did you do? I'm slacking today" with a smile and light laugh. Should get her giddy.

                Double-bike = wants to ride your disco stick.

                Thing about "fuck-off"s is that if you overcome them, you're a god in her eyes. If you're sincerely devoid of fucks, go for it.

                Women are always open to approaches if you're the man for the job.

                [–]rathyAro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                I didn't read the thread because I want to avoid what I'm going to tell you all to avoid. Don't try too hard to read for invitations, it just gives you an excuse to not approach whenever you think you don't see one. It's an easy way to get into your own head.

                [–]1theoctopuss 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Point 3 needs focus. Many guys will assume that when a girl is quiet around them or doesn't actively interact with them, that she is not interested. Depending on your situation, continue talking for 30 seconds. If you don't get an obvious rejection by then, there's a good chance that she is simply nervous.

                [–]pratseek 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Nice work.. i think the post you are talking about is mine. i can say you have put in your time..

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Indeed it was! Thank you for the inspiration and the compliment, as well.

                [–]Cunt_Robber 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                Solid examples of both +/- signals. But what I really found interesting was the last remark, since Ive experienced that a few times with women. That strange tingle or impulse to pursue. I've both succeeded and failed on many occasions (your 95% seems odd). I guess you can explain it through subconscious pheromones or outside forces we cant voluntarily ascertain. Out of all the hard facts and analyses I read on TRP, this little bit stood out to me and I wonder if we can focus in on it; because, it's one of those things that make me hesitate. It's one of those yellow lights you're not sure whether to hit the brake or the accelerator on, and usually the moment of hesitation usually costs you the opportunity and even some regret. Has anyone else felt that strange "pull?"

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                95% was a random number, but it's super fucking high. I can't remember the last time I felt this way about a girl and had it go badly.

                What is it...I don't know, man. Mirror neurons? See, when you're only casually attracted to a chick and approach her, she's going to see it on your face. So when she rejects you, it might actually be because she could tell you weren't attracted to her, so she's going to feel the same way, too, to save her ego and because there seems to not be chemistry. It's not because you're not an attractive guy, it's because she thinks you're not attracted to her and follow suit. Isn't that something? Totally blew my mind when I first realized it.

                Women are masters at reading microexpressions. They do it immediately after leaving the womb. The Female Brain is a great book that covers this and other shit, too.

                But when you are sincerely magnetized by a woman? She's going to see it in your eyes and feel it, too. You can fake it sometimes, if you're good. Approach a woman and convince yourself that you know her already. Then, as you approach her with a "heyyyy, how are you???" she's going to read your face and hear your tone, and think, "Wait, do I know him?!" and act polite/warm, because she assumes maybe you met before but she forgot about you. Sometimes, once you drop the act and reveal that you don't know her, she'll dip out, but other times, she's still running that emotional program of familiarity and it sticks, even if she didn't actually know you. All that matters is how she feels for there to be attraction.

                If you want a more faggy term for it, it's called love at first sight, but saying something like that on the RP is pretty sacrilege ;p

                [–]Cunt_Robber 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Thanks for elaboration. I found it very curious that someone would address this phenomenon in the first place, with TRP being pragmatic and this being a rather esoteric subject. I currently feel this way about a co-worker and I can't read her too well because of the workplace "interference." I'm aware of not shitting where I eat but knowing that she will only do so for another week and then move to a different department (but still stay with the same employer, just not my dept), and since we are the same age, have considerable things in common; and since some older coworkers have actually teased us when we were together on work errands in the dept, I've started feeling that "pull." Since our job environment requires everyone to have a certain charisma (communication and interpersonal skills) with others, I cant be sure. Ive been reserved and have not pursued or made any moves. However, it's kind of getting to me, because what if she feels the same but hesitates for similar reasons in acting on her interest? I could easily make a move like subtly asking her out to coffee or something harmless but with clearer intent, but I held myself back. I'm probably making excuses. It probably sounds like oneitis, but it's not. It's the weirdest thing.

                P.S.: it wasnt love at first sight. It just feels "right" that we should get together, and I get a weird vibe from coworkers, as if they think so too. It's not that important - she's leaving my dept next week - but since you mentioned it I had to bring my experience up.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                I pointed this out in another comment, but prefatory warning: I've never had an office job (only nightclub/bar jobs prior to going full-time writer). But, shiting where you eat? Shit everywhere, dude. I mean, obviously don't be a retard, but life is short - if you can smash, smash. Suggest that you two grab coffee or a drink after work.

                Could things go bad? Sure. I know a guy who smashed two girls in his office and then got fired like a year later over a sexual harassment allegation that he, and I shit you not, "held prolonged eye contact with the alleged victim."

                Then again, I'm sure tons of studs bend over half the office and nothing bad happens.

                If she's leaving soon, then tell her, "Hey, let's grab a drink sometime soon," and then wait until she's no longer a coworker to schedule it (I'd avoid mentioning that you're waiting for that, as it makes you look weak).

                [–]Cunt_Robber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Appreciate the advice. Ive considered it, but I realized the project we are on is on-going until around the holidays, so if my moves go south it'll make it hella weird. So yea its basically shitting where I eat. Thats whats difficult about this. We've acknowledged we have similar situations and this has sprinkled instances of intimacy in our interactions but it stops short of bringing anything explicitly in the open. We're both aware of it, Im sure, but Im not sure she feels the same. Shes also a little higher on the ladder in our work hierarchy. She cant give me orders but she is more qualified. Im confident she at least finds my looks attractive but my status is relatively weak. The wisest thing is probably to move on. I dont lack abundance, which is why I dont suspect oneitis, but she is smart and high value and that is what attracted me to her.

                [–]3ncryption 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I call it "two deers in the woods". It's more profound than just attraction. It's a sense of "you match me perfectly".

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                [–]chadjugo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Dude that is fucking dope. I've barely hit 90.

                And I know for a fact most of the people here haven't approached one woman.

                Thanks for the motivation.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                2k cold approaches! Those are rookie numbers!

                Haha, I'm kidding. You're doing damn fine, my friend. Most guys don't make it to those digits. Finding lots of success?

                would you be interested in making a post on the stuff that you would do differently from 10k approaches?

                Sure, man! I think that'd be a great post.

                Are those nightgame/daygame?

                I do literally everything. I've worked in the nightlife industry so club/bar game is like walking around naked at home for me. Day game is also a specialty of mine. Put in lots of hours. I also dig the Tinderellas, and social circle game is my most natural game, since I learned game in college (and even wrote a book about it).

                Are you into RSD or pickup material also?

                Well, since you asked. Articles are on the right.

                Also, dis.

                My story is in that podcast, but if you don't feel like listening, been in the pickup community since 2013, was a natural before that. I've read or at least glanced at nearly every resource available. I've met everyone from Tyler RSD to Zan Perrion. This community is an interesting place. But I still consider myself a natural, really. I think the PUA label is losing its relevance.

                Oh and I'm 25.

                [–]clme 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                Also, remember your starting point (Bayesian Prior): if you are 5'9", 230 lb, bald, and brown, what you think is a green signal, is probably green in your head - she's unlikely to want you. On the other hand, if you are 6'2", 169 lb, ripped, hot, etc., your perceived yellow signal is probably green...it seems yellow because of your low self-esteem, etc. So, when interpreting signals (Bayesian updating with new evidence), always factor in your starting point (Bayesian prior: are you generally hot, or generally ugly).

                It would go without saying, but delusion is rampant these days.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                No. The proof is in the pussy. You know what's a green light or a yellow light by testing your assumptions, not mastrubating with thought.

                You've cherry picked shitty fundamentals to make your point; you've literally faked an entire thought experiment. Confirmation bias, except without actual hard data.

                Do looks affect your percentages? Well, duh, but it's a non-starter when giving advice and diagnosing problems in your game (except for when a super hot guy is being too much of an asshole to girls and they always eject from low-self esteem, i.e., attainability).

                "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe

                [–]Bisuboy 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                I feel like some of those fuck-offs should be clear to everyone, except for maybe refugees

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Indeed. In time, all will arrive.

                [–]dickinlipss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                I'm sure they get it too, they just won't be prosecuted because racism is worse than rape

                [–]AlexDr0ps 2 points3 points  (12 children)

                How often do all of you makes approaches?

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 2 points3 points  (11 children)

                Like i said, these days I'm super selective, but when I was going hard in the pussy, I was approaching 10-15 girls a day. On St. Patty's day 2 years ago I did somewhere between 50-100 in one day/night session.

                [–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (9 children)

                What did you get out of the 100 approaches? Numbers? Or just looking for something same night.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 4 points5 points  (8 children)

                It was a rough night. Mostly fun social talks, a few numbers, no make-outs (I was testing out the "don't kiss at the club" strategy, which I no longer strictly abide by but it does work for some and in certain situations), and one very close call with a stunning women at the end of the night (but I blew the close). It was my last night in town, so yeah, was mostly looking for a peace-out lay, since I'd had two conquests a few days prior (one SDL and blowjob on the other chick's college campus in some abandoned building, but couldn't push past the LMR because I sucked at it in those days).

                [–]kupakuma 0 points1 point  (7 children)

                Can you explain the 'don't kiss at the club' strategy? It doesn't make sense to me that would be a thing. I've never heard of it.

                [–]Htowngetdown 15 points16 points  (5 children)

                The makeout session may be all the validation she needs to be able to leave with her girlfriends and giggle about the night hey had

                [–]smirk_addict 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                Never thought about this. Thank you so much dude.

                [–]Htowngetdown 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Yeah but like OP said, it's not a hard and fast rule. Setting and context and all that jazz matters of course

                [–]smirk_addict 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Of course. I do ok man, but I'm more of a day gamer and don't have much experience in clubs and bars. I'm doing more of that because my town is small and I think i'd probably do better in social and high energy environments. Small town day gaming is just...exhausting..

                [–]Htowngetdown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                At least you're trying. I'm getting sick of bar-game and need to approach more during the day. That's why I came to this post I guess lol.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                Maintain sexual tension by not kissing her. Save it for after she's alone with you.

                [–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 3 points4 points  (6 children)

                Tbh i hate when i read stuff like this:

                If she's with a group of friends and they suddenly get quiet around you, this is a sign of attraction. They're nervous and submissive around you and you didn't do shit but be you. Introduce yourself. If she's with a group of friends and their volume suddenly gets much louder than before, this is also a sign of attraction; they're trying to get your attention.

                The reason i hate this is because its mental masturbation, bias, and rationalization. Basically what you're saying here is "no matter what the group/girl does shes attracted/interested". But some of the points are okay.

                [–]mrcouchpotato 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                I think a lot of this is based off the "assume attraction" rule

                [–]TRPrinny 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                I see how you would think that, but the key point is that their behavior changed to stimulus, that being you. Notice that one of the observations isn't, "their voice tone and volume remained the same as you were near, as if they didn't notice you at all."

                In interrogation, the tell isn't if someone is nervous or calm, it's if their behavior shifts from the baseline.

                [–]Johnnyvile 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                Yeah if they get quiet she's interested. If they get louder they want and attention and are interested. No matter what they do one of them is interested.

                [–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                If they get quiet they may be talking about something they dont want other people to hear. If they are being loud they are just having a good time and are paying zero attention to their surroundings - including you. You and people with your logic are retarded.

                [–]Johnnyvile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Yup. I just wanted to point out that both quiet and loud groups were listed in their post as them being interested.

                [–]yallapapi 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Wonderful quality post. Thank you

                [–]chadmarco 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                I wonder how many signals I've missed over the years. Sometimes I feel girls checking me out, but I'm kind of a weirdo so I always assume they are shocked by how gross and unkempt I am lol. I'd have to be raped before I'm convinced.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                I know some pretty lame dudes who still get invitations from women but don't see them. When I point them out and he approaches, it goes well. Life is strange.

                [–]chadmarco 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Yeah friends have told me they saw girls checking me out, they are much more aware than I am.

                [–]zapatosdemadera 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                If she's walking behind you, speeds up to overtake you, but then slows down once she's in front of you, this is a big sign. She wants you to see her, especially her ass. Upgrade to super green light if she walks in front of you after the passover. She really wants you to see her ass. A casual, "Excuse me," into a compliment or introduction works wonders here. A girl did this once and I noticed a back tattoo. Asked her about it and she hooked hard. A few hours later she was swallowing my meat.

                Once I was walking home with some books one weekend afternoon and girl who was jogging on the side walk did this to me: overtook, looked back at me, slowed down to get stopped at the cross-walk. Signs were so fucking obvious & I couldn't ignore her nearly perfect ass in those workout pants. Same result as OP, though had to build for a few days.

                [–]Need2LickMuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                This girl was playing with her niece or something, and I paid her no mind. Next thing I know, they're leaving, but not before her niece says "HI MAN!" to me.

                I just said "hi" and continued doing what I was doing. Would you say that the girl told her niece to say something to me so I'd talk to her? I know little kids are friendly af, but usually it's right off the hop they'll say hi to you instead of waiting for a 'perfect' time.

                [–]dickinlipss 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                The crossing the street thing is an open invitation to fuck with them. When someone does this I also cross the street. Watch their face as you pass by, hilarious.

                It's not like o check these cunts out either. I many time don't notice them until I notice someone crossing the street. I suggest everyone to do this.

                As a brown guy that's handsome and in good shape o get a LOT of stairs then breakaway contact that is "I'm better than you", it's like these bitches are mad they're attracted to you even though I'm better than them in all ways. They'll even go through various round of being caught loookong by me and they look pissed every time, never a smile.

                [–]Trooper_1868 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                You might be the only brown guy (apart from me), that isnt bitter about being brown. :D

                Awesome to know more are here on this sub/

                [–]dickinlipss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Yeah, you got to have fun! No girl can get the better of you because you can just call her out for racism, has to be a serious looking accusation though lol

                [–]GOATmar 3 points4 points  (13 children)

                you think your ancestors walked around a place full of beautiful women and needed a indicator of interest from a bitch to approach and conquer? Fuck no. they operated on Boner Power and made shit happen, no excuses. because otherwise, they literally faced incel/extinction.

                your indicator of interest should be 1) she's alive 2) she has a pussy

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 12 points13 points  (12 children)

                You're not wrong. But there is a such thing as ego-depletion and if you're low T or low on motivation and slam your head against the wall approaching tons of women (especially if you're new), and keep facing rejection, it's going to hurt your long-term success and likely convince you to give up the game.

                I'm an advocate of approach-addiction as a cure to approach-anxiety, but it's only suitable for so much of the population.

                Also, I dig the primal perspective and attitude, but we are social beings as well. Half animal, half civilized man. Act too much like an animal, and you will be treated as one by women, especially women of higher socioeconomic classes.

                [–]GOATmar 2 points3 points  (11 children)

                it's also worth mentioning that living in a diverse city and approaching different strangers there - not just women - will give you serious approach anxiety if new, way more than living in a homogeneous city.

                we are naturally xenophobic, despite what shitlibs say, and thus trust and prefer our own kind than people who look completely foreign to us.

                i can confirm this, since my job for the last year had been cold-approaching customers and trying to persuade them to make appointments. people of my race we exponentially easier to approach and talk to.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 3 points4 points  (10 children)

                This is true. Fair points.

                But get your social skills on lock and the slight barrier you get from ingrained xenophobia becomes negligible. Plus, the other side of xenophobia is the exocitism/invader factor. If you can "invade" a city and you seem comfortable and reasonably socially acute, you get extra points for having successfully assimilated to/conquered the new culture (I'm a Latin American from the U.S. who lives in EE, and despite some frequent language barriers, I have double exotic points on my side. Da wombo combo).

                [–]GOATmar -2 points-1 points  (9 children)

                the problem with this is that most quality women, especially when ovulating and from good family etc., will not entertain the though of miscegenation. it is actually repulsive to them, as deep down inside they know they'd be dating down, no matter how much we artificially boost minorities. genetic suicide.

                plus the native men that arent cucked are gonna wanna kick your ass, even kill you, for invading and trying to bed their beautiful native woman.

                that leaves a modern invader settling for a dating pool of degenerate, average mentally ill foreign women of which you'll have to put in double the effort in order to overcome obstacles to get the lay.

                no exoticism will make an average foreign chick as good as a hot chick of your same race.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 4 points5 points  (8 children)

                genetic suicide.

                I don't think this is true. Gene diversity is a very good mating strategy. The natural conclusion from your argument is that incest is good for genes (I realize you're not saying that, but it does branch from your logic). At the same time, evolutionary biology is a whack field full of confirmation bias.

                plus the native men that arent cucked are gonna wanna kick your ass, even kill you, for invading and trying to bed their beautiful native woman.

                True, hence the attraction boost of you surviving and thriving in said culture.

                that leaves a modern invader settling for a dating pool of degenerate, average mentally ill foreign women of which you'll have to put in double the effort in order to overcome obstacles to get the lay.

                Genghis Kahn would disagree.

                no exoticism will make an average foreign chick as good as a hot chick of your same race.

                I'm Latin and I'm far more attracted to white women than Latin women (although Venezuelans are stunning) and have also dated some of the most high social status women in my social circles.

                Look at the Kardashians. Although they're not aristocrats in the traditional sense, they do represent the popular culture and modern aristocracy (status bought by money, which is how most aristocracies start, is it not? Money and nepotism). They almost exclusively date black guys. Dating non-white is "cool" in the circles they run in. At the same time, they're not Ivanka Trump level of class, so I assume that will be your counter-argument and it is a fair one to make.

                You do have some fair points but they're a bit too extreme (not morally, but in terms of accuracy; I think you're ignoring some nuance).

                If an invading culture comes in and wipes all the men out, the women are excited to mate with the new men, as they've demonstrated their superiority.

                [–]GOATmar 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                The natural conclusion from your argument is that incest is good for genes (I realize you're not saying that, but it does branch from your logic). At the same time, evolutionary biology is a whack field full of confirmation bias.

                That is the definition of strawman. However, Nature favors incest offspring over miscegenated offspring, since mixed couples have higher chances of stillborn babies than any other.

                Gene diversity is a very good mating strategy.

                lol no it's not. That's liberal marxist bullshit. you wouldn't fuck the average nappy headed Haitian woman and procreate with her. because you don't want to destroy your genetic lineage. especially if youre actually good looking, with silky smooth hair and light eyes, great skin etc.

                if you want to put this to the test, go to the hood in brooklyn NY or atlanta or detroit or baltimore and go try to approach women there. LOL

                now you know how the gorgeous white women feel, and why nature has programmed them to be Racist.

                True, hence the attraction boost of you surviving and thriving in said culture.

                no amount of surviving is going to make undesirable genetics attractive to the beautiful women. to bed the most beautiful women in the world, Game is supplemental to good healthy genetics. it's why you see the hottest supermodels paired up with attractive guys that have tight game. you got to have it ALL together.

                Genghis Kahn would disagree.

                Genghis Khan ruled Euroasia/Mongolia... united tribes of his native land, and fucked women of his race almost exclusively. he didn't invade africa and succeed (which would be easy, since he would have been considered "Dating Up" in africa), nor did he invade and succeed in Europe.

                I'm Latin and I'm far more attracted to white women than Latin women (although Venezuelans are stunning) and have also dated some of the most high social status women in my social circles.

                That's because you're probably of european descendant yourself. I doubt you have nappy hair, and i bet you're lightskinned. confirm?

                Look at the Kardashians. Although they're not aristocrats in the traditional sense, they do represent the popular culture and their influence cannot be denied - they almost exclusively date black guys. Dating non-white is "cool" in the circles they run in. At the same time, they're not Ivanka Trump level of class.

                Kardashians are the dregs of their race. As you said, they are nowhere near Ivanka Trump. in fact this PROVES my point - the only women you see miscegenating are the mentally ill dregs of society who dont care theyre committing genetic suicide.

                If an invading culture comes in and wipes all the men out, the women are excited to mate with the new men, as they've demonstrated their superiority.

                Men invade, women invite. Yes. But these exact conditions have rarely ever been met in history, especially by an inferior race of people. The only successful conquering invaders the world has ever seen were european conquistadors. it is highly unlikely you will ever see, for example, women submit to a haitian invasion. no matter how dominant they prove themselves to be over locals.

                Genetics matter.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

                That is the definition of strawman. However, Nature favors incest offspring over miscegenated offspring, since mixed couples have higher chances of stillborn babies than any other.

                Yes, I conceded as much in the same comment. Also, source for stillborn rates? The Middle-East is primarily the result of incest and their average IQ's are shittastic.

                That's liberal marxist bullshit. you wouldn't fuck the average nappy headed Haitian woman and procreate with her

                Because she's average. A smoking hot Hatian woman? Yes the fuck please. Black girls are hot as fuck. Big asses and always suck great dick.

                if you want to put this to the test, go to the hood in brooklyn NY or atlanta or detroit or baltimore and go try to approach women there. LOL

                Never had a problem in ghetto areas with ghetto girls. Also, you're conflating your argument with two separate arguments, one of quality and one of diversity.

                Genetic diversity with a high quality women of another race is good gene mixing.

                I may have briefly strawmanned, but now you're changing arguments.

                fucked women of his race almost exclusively

                What? Chinese are genetically different than Asiatic mongols who are more closely related to Turks than Chinese.

                [–]GOATmar -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                source for stillborn rates?

                Google is your friend.

                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2867623/

                Because she's average. A smoking hot Hatian woman? Yes the fuck please. Black girls are hot as fuck. Big asses and always suck great dick

                Please show me a woman who is 100% haitian/african that is """hot""". You can only be so attractive with that type of textured hair. Most have big noses too.

                The black women you refer to are mixed african-american girls with lighter skin and european features. These women have a white ancestor somewhere in their lineage. Thus, not 100% black.

                In conclusion, no white/latino with options would ever fuck a pure african/haitian, let alone have offspring with them (which I noticed you didn't comment on...). It's called preserving your valuable genetics.

                Never had a problem in ghetto areas with ghetto girls.

                lol k

                Genetic diversity with a high quality women of another race is good gene mixing.

                Again, no it's not.

                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2867623/

                This is meme is cultural marxism designed to eliminate europeans from the gene pool by encouraging them to miscegenation their valuable genetics away. Notice every single black & white couple ONLY have black/brown/mulatto babies, and never white?

                It isn't rocket science my guy.

                Europeans already have the most diverse race on the planet BTW. So white people already "genetically diversify" among themselves.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2867623/

                Black/black offspring had the highest stillborn rate. That contradicts your "interracial stillborn rates are highest" argument. Also, stillborn rates might be one thing, but there's many more metrics than that when considering genetic strength.

                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2867623/

                This doesn't counteract this

                Genetic diversity with a high quality women of another race is good gene mixing.

                Your argument is quite literally that African DNA is inferior in some ways to white DNA. Perhaps there's some truth to it, given that no African civilization has really done anything too interesting (e.g., Ramses II was a ginger and most of ancient Egypt was more closely linked in DNA to Europe than West/Sub-Saharan Africa).

                single black & white couple ONLY have black/brown/mulatto babies, and never white?

                That doesn't mean anything except that whatever gene causes melanin production is dominant. I'm half white, half Latin and am slightly lighter than my father but give me some sun and I look straight Mapuche (my lineage).

                It isn't rocket science my guy.

                The condescension is cute but you should sharpen your skills in logic before prancing around thinking you got a big dick.

                So white people already "genetically diversify" among themselves.

                So you're supporting my argument? Genetic diversity is good. That's GG. No Re.

                Your real argument is obvious. You think European DNA is superior and shouldn't mix with sub-humans.

                Strange how those damn Mongolians conquered the largest empire on Earth. They're all pretty damn ugly and haven't done anything since, so "shitty genetics," but they still have the largest empire in human history on their notch-post. Exceptional humans can come from any race.

                inb4 "ur a marxist," which would be a stupid argument, bee-tee-dubz. I'm a deplorable.

                Regardless, the flag has already been waved as you conceded a central point. See ya on the flip side, bubz.

                [–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                lmao have you considered that they date black guys perhaps because they are black themselves? jesus...

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                i guess OJ could be their real father huh? lol

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                I don't really pay attention to what bitches do though. If I'm interested I say something. If it works, i bang, if it doesn't, I move on. Females are just so expendable that all I've really done is learned to value myself and dismiss their opinions of me, good or bad.

                [–]Salted_Pretzel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Wow these are great. This can really help me out.

                [–]ruboius99 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                CRINGE "Look back and see if you can catch her eyes, smile, and hit her with a casual "hello." Sometimes she'll speed up then walk next to you for conversation. "

                [–]Peter_B_Long 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                What is shotgun approaching?

                Thank you for this post! I'll keep this in mind and save it for future re-reading.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                You go out to the mall or a club, or any other place where there is a lot of normal people and women.

                You start opening sets left and right. As soon as one is ended, you approach and open another. And another and another. IOW it's something like spam approach, the name "shotgun" just sounds batter.

                Don't do this on your campus or in a small town, you'll burn through people fast and risk getting stigmatized as creep, unless you already have high SMV or status there.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Don't do this on your campus or in a small town, you'll burn through people fast and risk getting stigmatized as creep, unless you already have high SMV or status there.

                Yep. Was most popular guy on my campus when I started doing it. Then quickly became the most notorious guy on my campus. Interesting time.

                [–]tom_ferreiro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Always invite yourself to approach.

                [–]Mudpielol 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Thanks for this man, good stuff!

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                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                A man cannot make a thing happen before it is time.

                [–]sniffdat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                idk man those things mostly make sense to me but can't it just be that a girl looks stares than 1.5 seconds because she just finds someone to be interesting/funny/weird looking in a non-sexual context?

                second thing im unsure is the part where a girl will meet your stare with her eyes, look away and back into the eyes - can't it just mean that shes curious why the guy is looking at her or that she just wanna make sure that a guy is staring at her eyes without anything sexual in mind?

                sometimes i just randomly stare at people because im bored or theres nothing else to look at or w/e reason. is it really always a fucking approach invitation when girls do it?

                [–]ShamwowTseDung 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                just finds someone to be interesting/funny/weird looking in a non-sexual context?

                I know this may sound confusing given the subreddit that we're in, but if you just want to be social, these tips work just as well.

                second thing im unsure is the part where a girl will meet your stare with her eyes, look away and back into the eyes - can't it just mean that shes curious why the guy is looking at her or that she just wanna make sure that a guy is staring at her eyes without anything sexual in mind?

                When you spend a majority of your life receiving attention from so many people (most of which is unwanted, creepy, or scary), you may learn a few things to protect yourself from it all.

                Someone who is not interested in you, who has learned these things1, won't dare give you a hint of attention.

                I'd also like to say, in case this applies, that (IMO) sexuality has more to do than dick-in-pussy. But that's another topic for another day.

                1 We all have different levels of experience. Things change over time, with age, with location, etc.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                When she begins to speak louder in a group setting is by far the most obvious, that with side glances at you while she's speaking and you know you're in.

                [–]RandalJulian 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Quality

                [–]RandalJulian 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Especially the first round of "signals." Get it ALLLLLLL the time. It is nice to have some affirmation.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                cheers mang!! Keep on pimpin

                [–]c3n7uri0n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I recently had a situation where a girl threw out a couple of positive and negative signals. On one hand she made eye contact repeatedly and for at least a second, also looked down afterwards, but then she had headphones in too. Is it likely a woman would remove headphones to better allow for you to approach, or would she hope you'd approach anyway? Or maybe she's interested but too nervous to bring her guard down?

                Idk, mixed signals are difficult

                [–]jsidethecat 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                Is hair flick or hair preen an approach invitation? Please OP!! Answer me ,

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                Indeed it is. It can also be a snobby "fuck-off." Depends on context.

                [–]jsidethecat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                What could be the context for snobby fuck off?

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                She purses her lips when she does it or rolls her eyes. Or turns away mid hair-flip. Anything dramatic.

                [–]SillyPutty47 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Well, TIFU! This girl passed me then turned back to hold the door for me and our eyes met. I said thanks and she smiled. Then she passed me again in quick stride as I stared at her ass walking away...

                [–]Ayouui 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Girl on the vegas strip walked up next to me smiled said sorry for no reason walked in front of me behind me then in front of me again before disappearing. Didnt think anything of it.

                [–]snakw12 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Hey /u/hector_castillo great article. I usually get a lot of invitation signs, but I don't pounce as you say. Currently I'm on vacay with friends in a major European city where English is also a common language. I'm not sure how to approach when I get the IOIs and approach invitation signals. I speak English only but one of my friends is a native of the country.

                I noticed I'm getting stared at often by girls in this city, I look like foreigner from America. Earlier went grocery shopping w friend and I was on my phone and I looked up, saw the cute cashier girl staring at me. How would you have approached it?

                Point is I'm getting stared at and receiving approach invitations a lot by the European girls, but I'm not sure at all how to approach it when I'm out with my friends in the city

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                If it's a major european city, the chances she speaks English is high. I live in EE and have been all around Europe. Rarely do I find a girl who knows 0 english and have fucked girls with really shitty english.

                Approach :)

                [–]BuddhistSC 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Determinism has nothing to do with fate.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Yes it does. It's a form of hard-determinism.

                [–]BuddhistSC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Determinism is just a consequence of causality.

                [–]newName543456 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Pulling out a book e.g., out of purse and starting to read it is also a "fuck-off" in general.

                Even when I was a newb and didn't really have any of my passive qualities on lock (fitness, fashion, hairstyle, etc), women who I found stunning would always give me really warm responses when I approached.

                Similar.

                Hence I don't believe in starting from uggos and working your way up to hot ones.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Hence I don't believe in starting from uggos and working your way up to hot ones.

                Well, pussy is pussy :P I'll take an uggo pussy as long as she's skinny/has a nice ass over masturbation.

                [–]Marcus1138 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Just one addendum - if they're standing around wasting time surveying crap near you at a grocery store, it's at least as likely that they're just waiting for you to move so they can get whatever you're standing in front of.

                [–]DadOnDabs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The headphones thing can be taken a few ways.

                1) "I don't want to talk to anyone I'm in a bad mood" honestly this is very seldom why she has her headphones in. You will figure out quickly if that is why though.

                2) "I don't have anyone to give me entertainment so music will have to do" this is the case 99% of the time.

                I have walked up and held my hand out in front of a girl for her to hand me a head phone. She gave it to me then I listened to her music for a second and teased her about it. I wouldn't do this unless when you walk up she gives an obvious IOI.

                Another approach is to just walk up and make a motion for her to take both ear buds out. Then just start gaming her. If she only takes one out game her for a minute then grab the other ear bud and see what she is listening to.

                [–]trollreign 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I opened this thread to find out how to notice all the chicks that want me without me knowing.

                Instead I've found that I am actually quite well-versed in these cues and women just give me fuck-off signals all the time. Sad!

                [–]Betterthanuatlife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                This advice has been very helpful. TRP actually being helpful for once is a nice fresh breath of air. Come to think of it chicks give me a lot of subtle hints but given the fact that I'm no natural Cassanova and that my father never really taught me these important things (love him but he never really taught me anything about being a man) I never learned it until now. We need more posts like this. TRP has stopped being a place to Learn sexual strategy and has turned into a safe space for negativistic omegas. It's time we take back our subreddit.

                [–]rebelde_sin_causa 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                In south Florida, everyone wears sunglasses.

                [–]Hector_Castillo[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                Then eliminate said variable from the evaluation :)

                [–]thetrpthrowaway -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                A real man invites himself and doesn't waiting for an invitation.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

                That's a pretty good list...

                ...for a Latino fuckboi.

                What amazes me the most, is how sometimes people need this kind of obvious explanations, as judged by the comments. To which I would add - if you are one of the guys that needs that list, read it once and go out as soon as you can, don't wait for weekend or friends.

                If you see a girl and you find yourself getting excited, feel an extreme "pull" towards her, and find her breathtakingly beautiful (see: different from "hot"; that's your dick talking),

                Know the feeling. Have a post coming how to get around beauty.

                I'd say there's a 95% chance that she will love your approach.

                Yes, that kind of beauty-struck approaches are amazing experiences, there is some degree of romantic authenticity in them, that being said I'm pretty sure, at least when it comes to how I experience it, that this kind of admiration is bordrerline pedestalizing her simply b/c she's super pretty, considering that in majority of my cases she was never that ahead from other girls I know. It's not a jump from 10% to 90%, it's a small change from 80% to 85%. If it's that small difference, why give in to the feeling and be awestruck?

                That's not even game, that's straight biological symmetry (pheromones or w/e) or fate.

                It's for sure a physiological response, not coming from a logical construct of "what I want in the girl". I doubt it's pheromones (distance/time/propagation doesn't add up), so it's probably looks, if it's looks, it's a combination of beauty, body language and facial demeanor that conveys it's what your body looking in a woman (female) in that very moment. Notice it's not something that repeats again and again with the same girl and notice that sometimes you miss one detail (say she's turned around a bit and only after she faces you, do you loose a bit of that "pull" b/c something in her turns out less than ideal).