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Red Pill TheoryLearn the Art of knowing when to Shut the Fuck Up (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1The_BitterTruth

"It's better to let someone think you are an Idiot than to open your mouth and prove it."


Let's get right to the point. There's a lot of retarded shit on TRP recently. While I advocate writing down your ideas in order to better understand them - I'm also concerned that many TRPers are taking the same approach they do on this forum as they do in real life.

That is breaking Law of Power #4 with every breath they take:

Law #4 "Always say less than necessary When you are trying to impress people with words, the more you say, the more common you appear, and the less in control. Even if you are saying something banal, it will seem original if you make it vague, open-ended, and sphinxlike. Powerful people impress and intimidate by saying less. The more you say, the more likely you are to say something foolish.

Shut the fuck up once in a while, for a while. Give it a try. Watch it work wonders.


[–]Nothimorher 245 points246 points  (26 children)

An example of shutting up at the right time was when I was asked by a potential employer how much I wanted paid per hour. I told him what I wanted and his words were "Well thats a bit higher than we normally pay" I kept my mouth shut and after a few seconds silence he said Ok. If I had spoken first I would have handed all the control over to him.

This works with other people as well as most people seem to have trouble with silences and like to fill them. You can also collect a lot of information with that knowing when to keep quite.

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    [–]memphisjohn 46 points47 points  (14 children)

    I've studied the art and science of pricing and negotiations. in a situation where you have no choice but to talk first, you want to "anchor" high, obviously.

    But the biggest key to success is conveying the message as perfectly reasonable and actually a real bargain - e.g. if you stutter, gulp, voice cracks, blink, anything like that, you lose.

    But if you look 'em in the eye with a true air of "I'm worth more than this but I'm doing you a favor" and can hold it, you are much more likely to get the pay you want.

    [–]Jasperbeardly11 5 points6 points  (9 children)

    What did you read to study that?

    [–]InsideCenter 11 points12 points  (2 children)

    Not the same guy but in college I had to take a general education class. So I took conflict resolution/bargaining techniques, and we read this book called "Getting to yes". It's like 200 pages and definitely worth it. If you are interested in this kind of thing then that's the book to read.

    [–]bishopindict 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Influence by Caldini is better. Read it if you haven't.

    [–]EatmyShorts59 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    I have cliff notes on that book.

    Influence by Caldini

    http://lilblackboy.com/book-cliff-notes/

    [–]Maddin143 11 points12 points  (2 children)

    'Never split the difference' is a book i recently read about this topic. From a former FBI hostage negotiatior. Every chapter starts with a real hostage situation and ends in some key lessons learned.
    I highly recommend it!

    [–]EatmyShorts59 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I have cliff notes on that book as well.

    Never Split the Difference by Christopher Voss

    http://lilblackboy.com/book-cliff-notes/

    [–]fenghsui 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I personally learned from a Real Estate agent who is a client of ours. Ive been lucky to receive coaching from some of the top sales coaches in the industry. Yes sets, agree and reiterate, a lot of sales stuff is the same as pickup. Pickup is really just selling yourself as a sex object.

    [–]InsomniacPsychonaut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    he didn't say he read, he probably learned from living it himself

    [–]memphisjohn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's related to my job so I've been doing and learning for over 10 years now.

    As far as reading, everything about negotiation that I see gets at least a quick scan. Yes including Trump's books. And biographies of business people - especially autobiographies that have stories of "how I did it" - those are by far the best.

    Harvard has some non-degree programs that are really good and cover the science / game theory / biological / psychological basis of various things. I've taken a few paid seminars as well.

    I examine high profile negotiations in the news. I even watch silly shows like Pawn Stars and The Apprentice and American Pickers... even though their "negotiations" are staged, they are still entertaining - for example, watching how men vs women haggle.

    The "basics" of negotiation are pretty simple and well known to everyone who bothers to look.

    [–]wanderer779 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    The main thing is to have real leverage over them. I worked for a company that dominated a narrow niche. It paid decent, but they pretty much set the terms, cause their market share was so large. You could go in there like with all the steely confidence you wanted, but they didn't give a fuck.

    Not to say you don't make good points. Negotiating skill is definitely important.

    [–]BurnYourFlag 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    If you are talking about your experience being hired for this company you are wrong. When going into an interview you only have your perceived base level value. Negotiating for salary shows that you have a higher value then others. It also shows that your outgoing and have high selfesteem.

    [–]wanderer779 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, but it depends on the circumstances. Look at it from their point of view, if you are hiring guys to do job x, and you plan on hiring several hundred of them, and some guy asks for 20% more, you're not going to hire him just because of the way he carries himself. If you are then you are reducing your own profit. If you're hiring salesmen maybe, but this was a technical job.

    [–]whuttupfoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This definitely. Talk as if you have other higher paying options / bidders on the table too.

    I actually did this 2 months ago when I had $0 and was unemployed. I made it seem like I was an NBA player getting picked out by the best teams in the country. It increases your perceived value and makes them see you as the real deal. Walked away with $15k two days later

    [–]landon042 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    i like this alot, the silence and how people deal with it and what effect it has in those situations, good info

    [–]bigk12345 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Couple of Laws of Power

    Law 4 " Always say less than necessary"

    Law 34 " Be Royal in your fashion: Act like a king to be treated like one"

    [–]Stythe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    When I did sales we called this "The Silence Game" for Shits and giggles. We'd tell the person the price and then stfu. The first one to talk loses control. It's fun to do and it's totally applicable in any area of life. The amount if times I've seem a dynamic change because one person knows how to play the game is insane.

    [–]ManowaR1488 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I got a raise negotiation coming up in a couple weeks. Taking note of this.

    [–]Maddin143 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    read 'never split the difference' before. I guarantee you it will change the outcome of your negotiation.

    [–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    great example. do you think silence is better than just being flat out "this is the money i want, i deserve this"? if so can you explain the cons of my example, maybe it's too easy to bruise egos being that ballsy?

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      [–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I see. Leaving the ball in their court makes it on them to do the lifting, so to speak, for simplicities sake.

      [–]Byxit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Having negotiated dozens of consultancy contracts for myself, I find it preferable to have the employer offer you a pay figure. If you are asked the reply is, " I would expect the industry standard for this position." You will never know what they were prepared to offer if you don't force them to make the offer. If it's low, you can suggest your skills and experience warrant more. You can reference other companies and what they pay, and you can reference industry guidelines. Or, you can walk away. Surprising how often that will get you called back.

      [–]refusewool 51 points52 points  (0 children)

      How does a fish get caught?

      It opens its mouth

      [–]LymanRP 141 points142 points  (3 children)

      I once received a great piece of advice from a career mentor regarding work meetings that extends to all facets of life. When you're talking, you are providing information. When you're silent and listening to others, you are gathering information.

      It's important to confidently speak when you are purposefully communicating information with intention. However, learning to STFU, listen and gather information is a very valuable skill.

      Don't talk just for the sake of talking.

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        [–]CWRUW4 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        And at some point, in my opinion, it shouldn't only be wanting to "come across" as being attentive, but at a certain point the "act" actually transitions into wanting to be attentive. Let other people do the talking. Listen and you'll learn more about what's going on. Instead of being focused on the next thing you want to say, if you let time pass you probably won't want to or won't need to say it because it will be addressed, and if not, you'll have used the time to organize how you want your statement or question to come out of your mouth.

        [–]mrp_1844 34 points35 points  (2 children)

        Learn the Art of knowing when to Shut the Fuck Up

        This takes a long time to learn.

        [–]memphisjohn 32 points33 points  (1 child)

        Not really - you just need to re-set your default stance from "talk" to "not talk".

        Most people seem to go through life believing that their opinion matters about anything. The vast majority of the time that belief is false.

        In almost every circumstance, your opinion is worthless, has no authority or particular insight or value, and expressing it only serves to masturbate your ego while confirming to everyone who hears you that you are not at all special.

        This post is included in that category.

        [–]wanderer779 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        pretty good summary of reddit

        [–]Jaxx_Teller 60 points61 points  (15 children)

        Not trying to find something to say every damn second works like a charm. Force them to react to you. Force them to engage - you'll be surprised at how many women enjoy talking to a brick wall for the purpose of venting. Just shut the fuck up and let them speak you fucking idiot.

        [–]logicalthinker1 4 points5 points  (3 children)

        It really is a female thing. They love to vent about useless shit. I really want to just lash out and yell how fucking stupid and petty they are but I take the high ground and just listen.

        Allies in the workplace, even neutral coworkers, won't make your life hell being assholes. And that's what people hate about work. Asshole petty faggots who just exist to get in your way and make it more difficult.

        [–]TheDialecticParadox 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        I just switch off until I realize they're done. Usually because they're saying: "Are you even listening to me?". No honey. I wasn't.

        [–]logicalthinker1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I do too. Just nod every once in a while to feign interest and agreement lol.

        [–]Jaxx_Teller 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Taking the high ground and listening is how you get laid. You don't even have to be paying attention - they secretly know you aren't. But they want to feel like their petty shit matters - which it doesn't, hasn't, and never will, matter.

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          [–]Jaxx_Teller 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          I understand how it is comforting on a first date to have a guy that can come up with something to talk about. But many times its actively destroying their chances, no matter how interesting the thing he wants to say. It doesn't matter because he isn't acknowledging that the girl wants to hear themselves talk and be heard and validated too.

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            [–]adam_varg 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            STFU noone wants to hear your angry bitter rants.

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              [–]interestedplayer 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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                [–]AircraftWelder 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                More Captain Save A Hoes every day.

                [–]TRPDigesting 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                This is something I stand to get a lot better at.

                But it's important to not do a complete 180 degree turn and transform into a sentinel.

                I see it as a matter of "knowing when not to fill the gap."

                Filling the gap.

                It's when there's a lull in the conversation, or a hesitation from the other party to answer a question, or any number of situations. Be comfortable with silence.

                When I was younger, my guitar teacher talked about the importance of using empty space when soloing.

                He cited Mike Campbell from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. My teacher revered him as a guitarist, not because he made lots of noise and performed fancy licks nonstop, but because he knew how to refrain from playing any notes at all to enhance his overall effect.

                Don't fill the gap. Be comfortable with the silence, and the rest of your notes will sound better.

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                [–]logicalthinker1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                I've learned to give a fuck on my terms, not when people expect me to. Sure, it's pissed off some people, but they get over it.

                [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                Important with women I have found. If you say something that doesnt go down well and you get an angry response, your conditioned reaction might be to backtrack. But just shutting up and letting her hamster it out for you works most of the time (if she likes you).

                [–]Fellatio_aficionado 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                Silence is a very underrated conversational tool. When someone says something stupid, just stay silent and watch their words hang in the air. It can also be used to demand further elaboration into what is being discussed.

                [–]1TheNincro 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                My father always taught me "If you're going to talk always make sure it improves the silence"

                I think being comfortable with silence is one of my biggest advantages.

                Its amazing actually, I've had many people tell me that I'm a great conversationalist even when I maybe spoke for less than 10% of the time.

                [–]1cloudmax40 53 points54 points  (0 children)

                Recently, this bitch planned to have me grab her by the pussy. But... I didn't just STFU and let it happen.

                FML

                [–]mrcs84usn 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                I think it was Rollo that said something along the lines of "Let her figure out why she won't fuck you. Don't give her a reason."

                I've seen my fair share instances where a man that says something funny, the girl laughs, and he zeros in on the fact that she laughed at his one joke, and then he won't shut up. It's especially bad when they keep trying to vamp on the same joke with their eager "I'm funny, right?!" look on their face seeking out more approval.

                I imagine this happens a lot in the PUA community where a man has a decent opener, but doesn't know how to follow up and keep the conversation going.

                [–]snaptogrid 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                Boys and young men today are raised and encouraged (by moms, therapists, TV and teachers) to share, vent and express every single solitary thing they feel or think. It's terrible advice, and as unmanning as jerking off all day long.

                [–]blurred_face8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                This. I had this problem, you know how did I knew about its importance? Once, I got sick and lost my voice, I could barely speak one sentence at a time, I was thinking four times before opening my mouth, what I noticed is the immediate effect on the people. They paid more attention to me than before.

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                I've had issues understanding this in the past. I wouldn't talk much because I'm not some expert social butterfly. Some good lines here and there, thanks god this wasn't autism level. So I was doing good. Unlike the most social people I was hanging out with, it just took some additional time for people to get used to me. But it always worked, and they always told me "oh at first I thought you were a snob/narrow minded, but actually I like you"

                The moment I'd feel over confident and wanted to get people to like me more and right away, I'd try to push forward and keep up with the ones babbling at all times. I could see the interest drop by the minute.

                [–]Wilky323 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                This includes ranting about shit on social media.

                [–]ManowaR1488 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Amen. My town has a "what the fuck town name" facebook group with thousands of people. It's always the same morons who are arguing in the comments for everyone to see. I just immediately judge them as dunces.

                [–]Shiva-Lingam 10 points11 points  (2 children)

                Even if you are saying something banal, it will seem original if you make it vague, open-ended, and sphinxlike. Powerful people impress and intimidate by saying less.

                Shutting up is just part of it; saying the right thing in the right way as if you're saying something profound yet barely scratching the surface of the topic and then shutting up is what it comes to.

                [–]DesignerTom 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                I think more intelligent people will recognise your vagueness for vagueness and not something profound.

                [–]Shiva-Lingam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Maybe the way I phrased the comment didn't really give that away, but it's preferable if there's substance to what you're saying.

                I think more intelligent people will recognise your vagueness for vagueness and not something profound.

                I sometimes go to Mensa events in my area and guess what? It works there too.

                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                This is my problem. I almost never think before I speak and it's led me to some shit situations.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                I had this problem too, and being a smartass to boot. I still struggle with it sometimes, but life has a way of teaching you to shut your mouth.

                [–]The-os 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                Interesting. I'm quite the opposite and never understood why some people don't just shut the fuck up. It's getting on my nerve actually. It's becoming annoying, as if I care what happened yesterday, and the day before that or the day before that or a year before that.

                Do you have any idea why you need to speak? Because up until now I haven't decided why I don't.

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                  [–]The-os 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I don't know. Of course I had my self-esteem issues in the past. And I don't think I resent the people when they talk too much but rather that I think that they talk bullshit when they talk about day-to-day stuff. But then again, the first part, the uninteresting part, that might be true.

                  I'm assuming that both things you suggested might be involved but I doubt that they play that big a role (but a role nonetheless).

                  [–]Parzivil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  God gave you two ears and one mouth... respect the ratio.

                  [–]Luceno 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  "Always say less than necessary," This law is self defeating. It states to underperform your purpose. "Always say the minimum necessary" perhaps.

                  Only a technical point. I'll shut up now.

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                  [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                  For me, it's Facebook that's the problem. I'm really good st wording things in a way that make people want to listen to me- so on Facebook I can actually create like a mini-cult of people who repost all my shit, buy my art (I've been a professional artist for going on 17 years), send me gifts, etc. Being practically worshipped is very addictive, as is social media in general.

                  About a week ago I cut 90% of Facebook out of my life. I have to keep my personal account alive or I can't admin my business page, but I haven't posted anything, I deleted tons of old posts, and I only check it once a day for a very short time (like under one minute).

                  The difference has been amazing. I have so much more free time. More time to get things accomplished. Less time given to others, trying to help and motivate people who only talk about wanting to change but never take any action.

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                    [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    Uh no, it was roughly the same length as his.

                    [–]EvilDead201 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    What if you're the opposite, as in you never have anything to say?

                    [–]1TheNincro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    You do, you just dont have the confidence to say it or if thats true then just be comfortable with not talking and being a good listener

                    [–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    That's a more complicated topic, but start off by doing things worth talking about.

                    [–]tekvx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Right, but talk to people anyways.

                    [–]matjoeh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    same with texting, if it's long, I know you're bullshitting me.

                    [–]FockeWulf190D 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Lenin would listen to people until they were completely exhausted, not saying a word except "go on" and "continue". That made them very eager to hear his point of view and adjust their own.

                    [–]segagaga 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I do agree, some posts have been a bit wall'o'text lately

                    [–]aRedThought 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    Silence is a communicative action just like any language.

                    Now say you're at a bar, being silent and not saying is a sure way to exclude you right away, but silence intermixed in a conversation is powerful.

                    Silence between 2 strangers is thought of as awkward, but it's though that those that can be silent with one another are close and personal. When you breal that ice and that attraction builds, taking a short time like 6 or so seconds (arbitrary) to think about what to say, or to reflect on what was said subconsciously tells them that you are close and it shows that you are paying special attention to them.

                    If you are midway yhrough a set and you take a moment and she doesn't react, it can be a decent sign that she's made up her mind on you one way or another.

                    [–]richard944 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I suffer from word vomit whenever I drink coffee. Great post to remind me to stfu.

                    [–]HuddsMagruder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Hand-in-hand with this is the "stay sober" rule. I have over-imbibed the past two weekends and it does nothing but cause me to violate this rule.

                    Keep your shit together, have a couple drinks and switch to water. Don't fool yourself into thinking you're the exception.

                    [–]sydneybeachbum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Words have a value.. and its based on how many of them you use... just like finding a woman with a low count is worth more than one who's ridden the carousel, likewise for a man to wait until the right moment to say something profound, elegant and all summed up in the least amount of words.. in fact the more vague you can be the more mysterious and intelligent you appear. Do this and you will have not just women but all people hanging on your every word.

                    [–]BuffaloSoljah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    You have the ratio of two ears and one mouth for a reason

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                    [–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Good point. I'll try to make a post on this in the future.

                    [–]Vajesticles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Not saying this is one of them, but something needs to be done about all the low-quality posts flooding this subreddit.

                    [–]Raikkonen716 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I'm surprised nobody still mentioned Glengarry Glen Ross.

                    "You want to learn the first rule? You'd know if you spent a day in your life. Don't ever open your mouth 'till you know what the shot is. You're a fucking child."

                    [–]EatmyShorts59 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    I have cliff notes on the 48 laws of power if anyone is interested.

                    http://lilblackboy.com/book-cliff-notes/

                    [–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    a good idea. let me share another good idea, do not try to impress people, and be completely honest, no sugar coating, no sprinkles.

                    [–]Stythe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    This is basically why the Internet sucks too.

                    [–]-Petulance 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    "The less you speak the more you hear"

                    [–]yummyluckycharms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    but "out of sight, out of mind", or if "you dont tout your horn, no one else will"

                    The problem comes down to calibration - there are some times where you want to talk like crazy, other times you want to shut up.

                    If you have access to c-level executives, watch how they talk. They only talk little around subordinates because frankly these people are beneath them. But when one of their own swings by their office, or takes the same elevator down with them, they're usually quite chatty.

                    [–]joh2141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Guys who love hearing their own voice gotta learn that shit. Can't stand meeting people who won't shut the fuck up. The worst is people who ask you a question then say bunch of shit before you even get to answer it.

                    [–]Mckallidon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Shutting the Fuck Up solves most problems.

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I see this sub as a bull session, a place to express oneself.

                    In meat space, though, I agree 100%. One of the places I've had major, major improvement recently is being a better conversationalist.....which is exactly asking intelligent questions then shutting the fuck up.

                    [–]rios_salvi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    Since reading the 48 laws, I feel like I might've taken this too far. Like my tendency to say less than necessary turns into not saying enough. It's a tough balance I haven't quite mastered

                    [–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Adjusting how much you talk doesn't mean not talking at all. Maybe talking 10-15% less than usual is probably ideal.

                    [–]redolas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    You should've applied your teachings to this very post.

                    What did we learn from this post? Some big words "Art of knowing" and insults. Well, it's TRP, why respect my audience?

                    You start with a proverb. No explanation, no interpretation, just a proverb. Ok, I guess.

                    That there is a lot of retarded shit on TRP. Well, congrats, you just made another one of those. Unfortunately, even retarded shit gets upvoted. Any ideas on how to solve this? No? hmm...

                    You are worried about TRPers life and well-being. Good for you.

                    You give us a quote on Robert Greene. So what? We read that book, thank you very much.

                    And then you finish with insulting us to shut up and watch. Watch what?

                    Your post has nothing enlightening or original. The only content is Robert Greene, and he makes a better job in 3 lines than you in would in 300 lines.

                    When should I talk? It's not always better to shut up. You may find that out when a scrawny pua talks his way into your gfs pussy. When is it better not to talk? Where is the Art of knowing then? Couldn't find it. Not in your post.

                    If it isn't thought out, don't post it.

                    Go to the sidebar and read Machiavellianred's instructions on how to write a post.

                    [–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    The 48 Laws of Power is an overrated book with way too many contradictions in it, using it as a guide is a mistake. Other than that, I agree you must not speak all the time, in every situation, don't try to be on the spotlight every time.

                    [–]theONE843663 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    OP it's also important to know when to say "STFU" to someone lmao.

                    [–]cynicalsimon -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

                    I am convinced the red pill has been taken over by savage, relentless cucks. This advice is cancer. Women either want to fuck you or not. There is not much you can do to change that..ever. You got money + looks? Then you don't exist to her.

                    [–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                    money + looks

                    There's more to being attractive than this.

                    [–]cynicalsimon 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                    No their literally isn't. Women are much more superficial then men and they don't give a shit about your personality. Its a lie told to naive children.

                    [–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                    why aren't nice guys getting laid then?

                    [–]rave_n 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Because most of the time they are neither handsome nor rich.

                    [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                    I don't know man. The other day j was talking to a broad who was rather quiet. I had to lead most of the conversation because if I didn't she would stop talking.