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Rant/VentingContinue improving yourself but let go of the idea that the hot girls who passed you up are going to suffer. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by planetross2

Personally, I feel that the goal of young guys out there should be to improve themselves and not care about the lives of others.

I have noticed a certain belief system on this sub that continues to show itself time and time again. A narrative that one day the nerd who was blue pilled in his youth and maybe even college days is going to figure it out, turn into an alpha male, and all those hot girls who decided to slut it up in college are going to regret passing him up. All those girls that rode the so called cock carousel, went on fancy date nights with the stud in their college classes, or partied it up while the average guy was studying for the better future are going to have to come to terms with the loss of their looks guys.

Not only is wishing ill on others bad for you, but in this situation, it likely won't happen.

The average woman who gets a bulk of the hate on TRP is likely white, lives in a western nation (likely the USA), from a somewhat well off family (suburban household), and is known for being hypergamous. At one point in their lives, most of the subscribers or readers on here wanted to get with a girl like that, likely due to lust or some type of validation. Every nerd, no matter how much he denies it (and he will deny it), wants to be with the hottest girl at his high school. The girl that was captain of the cheerleading squad, the girl that went to college and had the jocks after her, and practically your typical suburban princess with good looks. Feminists and SJWs get hate too (rightfully so) but it is not like anyone out there has actually wanted to get with one.

So we make up a narrative, one day these girls will wake up and realize the mistake they have made in passing up some hard working young man trying to work towards a better future. One day, their looks will fade and they will regret their actions of slutting it up in the past.

None of that is going to happen!

I have grown up around girls like these who were popular in high school, ended up going to college and likely got into a sorority, and then after that they still play the same game. One thing has never changed, the amount of attention these girls still get. Some groups just win at life and hot girls from well off families are members of that group. No matter what they do, eventually they end up being okay.

Just like back in their high school and college days when jocks and guys from rich families would be after these girls for their attention, now these girls can get the doctors and bankers as their options. Most of these girls know the game, they just have to retain their looks and they will continue to have all the options in the world when it comes to men.

A lot of these girls will retain their looks because they actually do care for their appearance, many of them shop at Whole Foods stores (because they come from rich families) and if needed, they can get surgeries to keep their looks. Now once they hit 30, they won't stress out that much about finding a man because they will still have their options. For every guy decides these girls are sluts unworthy of marriage, there are at least 5 rich guys who will more than happily marry this kind of woman.

Eventually, these girls will decide that they have had their fun, they will turn into the MILFs that porn has embodied but end up in a marriage. Sure they will find a guy and maybe even cheat on him but they will likely have kids who end up having great lives on the outside (wealth, nice cars, etc.). A lot of them who have daughters will raise their daughters to be the same exact way.

The goal of the red pill should be to not let any of this affect you, to live a great life and not care about the fact that some groups of people just automatically have it better than you do.

Such is life.


[–]asianmasaccount 327 points328 points  (26 children)

legit post. I have noticed this type of thinking also on this forum.

My grandfather used to tell me this chinese story (im asian america haha) about this famous general that was bullied heavily and humiliated by this gang in his hometown. Becuse of this he goes off to the capitol and becomes a solider rather than staying as a farmer, which was considered the better path. Eventually he fights many wars for China and comes back a powerful victorious general.

He visits his hometown with his sword at his side and his armor on his back, riding his horse, and with all these loyal soldiers behind him. He asks that his childhood bullies be brought to him. Everyone in the town begs him to reconsider getting his revenge, as these men had now become regular members of the community and were no longer the brash kids they once were. He steadfastly refuses and demands they be brought to him. Finally they are dragged to him sobbing and terrified and immediately prostrate themselves on the ground and beg for mercy with their crying families at their sides. The general walks up to them and, rather than slaying them on the spot like most expected,, he carefully helps each of them up, dusts them off, and sincerely thanks them for motivating him to achieve the success he did. Afterwards he rewarded each of them with land and those gold boat things that were currency back then.

Haha thats a really cheesy story I know, but I really took it to heart. Its the process thats all the fun anyways. The point isnt to have this moment of superiority like in the story, but rather to live a good enough and happy enough life so that you feel genuinely grateful for the negative experiences in your past that motivated you to accomplish what you have.

Edit: historical allegories have sketchy details through retelling haha. But here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Xin

[–]BrunoOh 171 points172 points  (10 children)

Rejections have made more bodybuilders than anything else.

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    [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 20 points21 points  (1 child)

    Approximately 80% of the guys at my MMA/JKD gym are guys who used to have problems with getting bullied, are former fatties or are sensitive persons and I am no exception.

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I was beaten and bullied until I was big enough and had sufficient training to start not only winning fights at 16, but dominating in fights. I'm a generous and helpful man until you try to intimidate me, or take a swing. Living a hard life made me hard, tough, determined, and strong.

    I'm not about to thank those assholes, because I made me who I am despite what they did, not because of what they did.

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Lets be honest AAS makes bodybuilders

    [–]Iupvoteforknowledge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    No shit? I thought they were all natty.

    [–]theHangedGod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Mike Katz

    [–]RealRational 41 points42 points  (5 children)

    I'd have stopped short of giving them land and gold, but the rest of it, yeah sure, healthy attitude.

    [–]GraphThis 29 points30 points  (4 children)

    Reminds me of when I crossed paths with the guy who stole my ex fiancé. They were together about a year then she cheated on him too and left. I heard it all through the grape vine then eventually one night I finally ran into him at the bar.

    He tried apologizing for everything he put me through. I thanked him for saving me from being married and shook his hand. He seemed sort of embarrassed after seeing how I reacted.

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      [–]1independentmale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I don't get the hate, either. If my woman cheats on me, that shit is on her. She's the one in the relationship, it's her responsibility to say no.

      I've seen how women behave when they cheat. She will talk all kinds of shit about her man so both she and the guy she wants to fuck can easily rationalize it away, and that's assuming she even bothers to tell him she's in a relationship. Any time this happens, I figure he probably doesn't even know you exist and if he does, he only knows what she tells him: You're an abusive monster who treats her like shit and doesn't fuck her.

      Under these circumstances, I find it difficult to blame the guy or even to be angry with him.

      [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      When the other guy is underhanded, lies to the police and tries to extort money from you legally, then I have every right to hate him. That's really the only one I got mad at who was fucking the bitch I was with.

      If not for all that crap, I wouldn't have cared. I still want to get some payback though.

      [–]Masonjarteadrinker2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That's the best way to handle it, dudes get so worked over getting mad and wanting to kill the dude their GF's were fucking instead of realizing that it was her and not him the entire time.

      You handled it perfectly, props.

      [–]spacelord777 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      That wasn't cheesy at all. That was a pretty awesome tale!

      [–]Pornography_saves_li 1 point2 points  (6 children)

      Write that story out like you're a storyteller, telling the story to your young self, and I will publish it. Get all the details you can from grandpa, if possible, write it out (I can help edit it if you like) and then I'll look for someone to illustrate it.

      That is exactly the kind of story that embodies red pill thinking.

      [–]Dokkobro 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      Something about your name, and a children's book just doesn't ... gel well. ;P

      [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      Why would that be? I liked porn when I was a kid.

      [–]Dokkobro 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      You have a great point, as an addendum I would like to add the simple possibility that if this were the norm we might one day have topless orange juice commercials. And everyone loves topless commercials.

      [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Life should be more like Germany 15-25 years ago. Topless oj is a wonderful idea.

      [–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Set the oranges free!

      And actually, I wasn't thinking of a children's book.

      [–]Dokkobro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Lmfao I'm referencing a movie where the cast is in a hotel in Germany and a topless oj commercial comes on. It's stupid funny, Eurotrip.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 161 points162 points  (25 children)

      This probably won't be a popular post, but it needed to be said so thanks.

      I'm in my 40s, and roll my eyes at all the 20-somethings going on about how all women expire like a gallon of milk at age 30, but no big deal because they'll be spinning 18-24 year old plates till the end of time.

      Stick with the self-improvement, limit criticism of others to the constructive type, and expect your worldview to evolve enough that your older self will cringe at certain aspects of your younger self, especially the false bravado.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 56 points57 points  (12 children)

      I dunno. I am in my 40s, and it is true that some women who were hot at 18 have maintained themselves well. But there is no denying that some who were hot have just...damn, the Wall impact was a NASA-level crash for them.

      The thing I have noticed is even the hot ones who work hard at it are aware of the decline, and it eats at them. Some it eats them a bit. Some it eats at them a lot. There is a faint--no, maybe not faint, sometimes strong--odor of harder, hurt feelings towards men and younger women as they age. The still-hot gals just cannot help themselves, as they have lost, and are still losing, an amazing tool for social interaction: their relative beauty. The value and utility of that tool for women is hard to overstate. The loss of it must not be easy.

      Hell, my relative good looks and athletic bod as a guy made life easier for me. I will admit it. And I will mourn the passing of my ability to smile and joke and dispense attention in a way to work people. So I get it when those once hot gals fear the loss of that tool. (But compared to gals I am like the guy losing a bit of his retirement savings, while hot women are like billionaires losing their entire fortune.) It just hits them harder, because it was so much more valuable.

      Like you, though, I would caution guys on this board to avoid the hand-rubbing schadenfreude stuff: it is not like hot gals will inevitably go from top shelf to bargain bin at midnight at age 29 and 364 days. Hot women can stay hot, and enjoy the benefits for quite some time. Life is just that way.

      [–]1independentmale 15 points16 points  (2 children)

      the Wall impact was a NASA-level crash for them.

      I orbited a 9 in high school. She was super fine and every guy I knew wanted to fuck her. I loved that girl to death, would have done anything for her, but we never hooked up because she only considered me a friend. She never used me for favors, though, nor did she ever lead me on - she was very up front about only wanting to be friends when I asked - so because she treated me well, I still consider her a friend today over 20 years later.

      Here's the fun part: She has tried to hook up with me on multiple occasions in our thirties. I suppose she figures I'm finally worthy of her puss now that I'm fit and rich. Sadly for her, time has been a cruel bitch. She's a 5 at best. If she lost 20 pounds, she could maybe be a 6. I enjoyed being very up front with her about only wanting to be friends when she asked. It was nice to see this come full circle.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Note fellows, this is only effective and satisfying if you really don't care and you are doing it without any bitterness. Some satisfaction, but not bitterness which will eat your soul more completely than early rejection.

      [–]1independentmale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      100% agreed. There should be no room in a man's soul for bitterness. You take your rejection like a man and move on. Making your intentions known early helps, as it leaves no time for the sort of long term orbital investments that foster that bitter taste.

      [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 15 points16 points  (4 children)

      If they lose their looks, it's because their lazy and careless about taking care of themselves. I know women approaching 60 that I would fuck the shit out because they do hot yoga, abstain from drugs and alcohol, have a great attitude, use healthy beauty products, and eat healthy. I literally have pictures of these women standing side by side women in their 20s and 30s and outshining them. It's hilarious to me that most of these women let their looks slide out of shear stupidity and laziness.

      [–]bitethepillowbitch 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Wrinkles and sagging happen no matter how much yoga you do. Death is just what humans do best.

      [–]1independentmale 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I was driving through my neighborhood recently and saw what appeared to be a hot young thing power walking in her yoga pants. I actually slowed my car down so I could get a longer look at 'dat ass and I enjoyed every second of it.

      When I passed her, I saw her face. She had to be at least 80. I shit you not, this great grandmother had the body of a 20 year old and was still working it. I couldn't believe it. Total mind fuck.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Very true. There's something about eagerly healthy and in-shape older women that just blows the young ones out of the water.

      [–]token_stache 21 points22 points  (2 children)

      Still a hot twenty something is hotter than a well maintained forty something.

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      This applies to about 99% of arguments: no one said 'ALL ...' So arguing that some don't is not a counterargument to anything except the strawman you've just created. Most women look like pounded dog shit by 35. Fact. The ones that look good, even better than many 25 year olds are not an exception - THEY looked better 10 years ago. The claim is not that ALL women over 30 are worthless swamp donkeys. Rather, it's that women break down aesthetically very rapidly when they hit 30, and if their starting point was mediocrity or if they didn't really take care of themselves, then they are busted ass swamp donkeys by that time. Its quite true.

      That said, I agree with OP's sentiment. There's still a lot of women (and there will be more) that will age gracefully and step right off the cock carousel onto the perfect husband. These women are nearly always old money, but they certainly exist.

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      Well hold up, we can acknowledge OPs point without putting our heads in the sand. Women CAN hold up really well and be sexy way past 30, but on average, most hot girls who aren't fitness/health focused because they are naturally hot... they really hit the wall hard. It is brutal; I was a 20-something, 30 now, and it's true - maybe 1 out of every 5 or 10 hot girls still has the same boner-stirring ability that they did when they were 22.

      You can acknowledge that and still be focused on self-improvement. It's not criticism of the aging women, it's self-awareness of how reality works.

      [–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      You can acknowledge that and still be focused on self-improvement.

      That's is my take on it as well. It's fine to point out the truth - that this will happen to a lot of women. But if you do more than just point it out, you're wasting your time. If you're rubbing your hands together thinking, "oh boy oh boy I can't wait!" then you're being stupid and childish.

      Rejection is part of life for a guy. You need to have the right frame of mind so that it rolls off of you like water off a ducks back. That means that you really honestly harbor no ill will at all. Any thoughts at all are just wasting time looking back when you should be looking forward to the next girl and the next opportunity.

      Ideally, you should be on to the next girl and forgotten about the last one before she finishes the sentence in which she shoots you down.

      [–]RealRational 17 points18 points  (6 children)

      Also 30 isn't the deadend it used to be, plenty of girls look amazing well into their 30's. Skin is normally the first thing to decline, and girls who take care of themselves have great skin till 40, at which point it really does start to taper. By 50 it's hit them all from what I've seen.

      But I swear, I've seen 35, 42 year olds even that look better than most 22 year olds. Generally these girls look better at 35 than they did at 25. I've got a specific blonde plate in mind, I wouldn't have even looked at her twice at 25, from the pictures I've seen, but she looks amazing now at 35, no surgery or anything.

      [–]NoRegretj 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      This generation (assuming you're about 20) is going to be the worst. I promise. The second these hardcore partiers tip 30 it's going to be disgusting. Maybe a few in between into fitness but it'll be rarer than the previous generation

      [–]RealRational 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I think it's hard to define generations specifically enough to be useful, at least not until they're retired or dead and the full scope of them has been shown. Are the people born in 1986 the same generation as 1992? Cause that's not many years apart, yet the way they live is quite different. I was born in 88 and while my cousin born in 94 is only 6 years apart (not anywhere near enough of a difference to be defined as a separate generation) the way he lives, the school system he grew up in, the pop culture he was exposed to is all vastly different.

      A lot of people my age partied their way to failure and still work retail, or are unemployed, and have nothing going for them that would let them move out on their own in the foreseeable future, which takes them into their 30's still living with their parents.

      But then I have a friend working in robotics who just bought a house, another Java programmer making nearly 6 figures and then there's me, running a corporation. My little brother ran a political campaign and won, has a master's degree and make nearly 6 figures.

      I'm starting to think that between the years of 1985 and 1995, in terms of birth date, there are multiple generations within the group of people born in that time frame.

      In other words, the year they were born doesn't determine their generation, age has almost no bearing at all on who you are, it's about as important as hair color. No matter how you see it, I know that who and what I am, is nothing at all like who and what the vast majority of my social circle is.

      So who defines the generation? The people who write history, or the people who observe it?

      [–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      all the 20-somethings going on about how all women expire like a gallon of milk at age 30, but no big deal because they'll be spinning 18-24 year old plates till the end of time.

      Lmao! Aw man. I was hit by that. Its hard to completely take the pussy off a pedestal when you've had it there for so long. But yeah. I definitely agree with what you're saying.

      [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Im 45, I'll fuck girls half our age because I can. The girls closer to our age get fucked too, if they earn it and have taken care of themselves. I put in the work, so I can fuck the young ones easily. It's only in realizing how many are attracted to me that I have developed this over the top confidence and sense of self. That wasn't me in my 20s, very reserved in comparison. The difference is it's been earned.

      What the fuck has a non military 22 year old earned?

      Old chicks can look good, but most don't.

      [–]Transmigratory 25 points26 points  (0 children)

      The Red Pill should be like it is in the Matrix: you see things for what they really are. It isn't a pill where once you "unlock" the truth all who wronged you will suffer.

      [–]WoahScienceCool 91 points92 points  (86 children)

      Good for you but Ive seen plenty of whats mentioned on TRP happen IRL.

      My own mother being one of these girls. Shes dated literal billionaires, traveled on private yahcts and jets, flown all over all the world probably three times already, had fancy cars bought for her, etc. Shes dated guys with mansions in elite cirles within LA and South Florida, one guy had 19 ferraris amongst various other luxury/sport vehicles (no I am not lying or trolling).

      She lived the life until her mid-30's or so. Now she doesnt have a penny to her name, lives in a crummy studio apartment, watching Netflix by herself every night and drives a (once, former glorious) Mercedes Benz from the year 2007 with engine and other maintence problems up the ass- a sign of the former and now decayed glory years.

      All her female acquaintances are going through the exact same thing. My mom specifically says she is extremely bitter about the "you can have it all!" slogan preached by feminists to her throughout her whole life- that its a lie, that its setting women up to be miserable. She and many women take it quite literally. Not one guy was ever good enough for her, there was always some flaw, but she wanted to "have it all!" as she was told to strive for her whole life. Now she has nothing.

      I say this not to validate bitter TRPers, but to stop women like my mom from making dangerous mistakes and heading down the wrong path. If women want to make their own independent money- great, time to start building up your resume, get some good work experience, and start climbing the corporate ladder. Dont be some Bottle Girl or Escort where you can ball-out for ten years and then have nothing to show for it on your resume when you become too old to live that kind of lifestyle and too haggerd to find a man now to provide for you and give you that stable, family lifestyle. You need to beware of your biological clock if you want to have kids. On the flip side, if they want to marry a provider for resources/kids/stability, they need to realize that not every guy is going to be perfect in every way, and that men of all races, backgrounds and different sized bank accounts have problems and flaws to some extent, and that some of these are going to have to be overlooked.

      Point being, women can NOT have it all. Its impossible, and the thought process is dangerous. There is an experation date on womens value, for some its as late as when they turn 40, for others its as immediate as the Freshmen 15, some never had much value at all. Regardless, the mentality of "you can have it all!" and get away with it is dangerous and destructive, particularly to those who plan on having kids and have legit expiration dates on their uteruses, many as early as their low-thirties. Again, I say this not to validate TRPers, but because its sad to see this play out IRL. Most end up just how TRP describes it, and it pains me to see my own mother go through it, though she has to live with her decisions and she has now accepted that. I will fight against proponents of the "you can have it all!" garbage mindset for as long as Im here on TRP, because its affected me on a very deep and personal level all throughout my childhood and well into my mid-twenties now. Its toxic and has no place in stable, western societies.

      [–]Anderfail 56 points57 points  (34 children)

      Women think that men always somehow had it all. The reality is that we never did because it's an unattainable utopian goal that doesn't exist in the real world. We worked because we had to in order to get by and made loads of sacrifices along the way, including time with family, etc.

      This line of thinking is utterly toxic to anyone, be they men or women.

      [–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (20 children)

      Women think that men always somehow had it all.

      That's because the only men that they noticed in fact had it all - or at least, had a whole hell of a lot more than those women did. The other 90% of males? Invisible.

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        [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (11 children)

        I'm 44, dated a hot 25 y/o a few years ago. I drive a beat up old hybrid that I bought used, it was a great bargain, saves me $5000-6000/year compared to my old Jeep, and I don't even want to calculate how much my old Expedition used to cost. Anyhow, first date (to a grocery store to buy food), we get in the car, she checks it out, likes the GPS in the dash + the push button start, and leans over and looks at the mileage. She asked me if I bought it new and i was like "Hell no, I'm never buying another new car again." And she started to mock me. It was amusing, but it eventually went nowhere because her opinion was "I drive a better car than you, you rent your McMansion with a bunch of other bachelors, you don't even OWN it, and you refuse to buy me drinks, so why would I date you?" (She said each of these things separately, I'm just putting it into one sentence.)

        TLDR: Women really do laugh at a man who is frugal.

        [–]1nzgs 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        Guess what, a woman 20 years younger than you is only going to be interesting in the financial security you provide. If you were great looking with a fitness model body she wouldn't be making those comments because she would be getting spoiled by some beta orbiters instead.

        If you don't want to be mocked for being frugal you gotta offer something extra.

        [–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        It doesn't matter. If she's not bold enough to say it, she'll definitely be thinking it. You can always tell by their reaction. If she isn't hugging your nuts at how financially responsible you are, then she more than likely hates it.

        She'll just be on the look out for a guy who is just a hot, but dumber with his money.

        [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Well, she's thinking that you won't be able to provide for her, so why would she date you over a guy in his twenties who has no money? Your sparkling wit and personality? She's just a garden variety gold-digger though, so I wouldn't worry to much. You can always try the ju-jitsu guilt trip on them for being so materialistic. That's always good for a laugh. You can sermonize sanctimoniously about how you don't want to make a whore out of them.

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          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          She spent ALL of her money on a very nice SUV. I'd rather have money in the bank and not spend it on bullshit.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Women are awful with finances. I've claimed this before and had people denying this, but I strongly belief they're worse than men.

          [–]BlackHeart89 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Women laugh at a man who is frugal.

          So much this. They don't seem to understand the concept of budgeting. Or at the very least, they ignore it. Especially if it isn't coming out of their pocket.

          I use to explain why I wouldn't buy this and that for me or her or whatever. Now I just say, "no". She asks why and I tell her, "because I don't want to."

          [–]1User-31f64a4e 28 points29 points  (2 children)

          This is a really, really, really good point. It's the root of the patriarchy myth. (Well, that and outright dishonesty.)

          Women compare their situation to the top .001% of men, and that's what they want. Since "creeps" of low SMV are below notice, they don't notice. Why can't every women live the life of the top .001% of men! Because Patriarchy!

          So yeah, the somehow ignore the homeless (mostly male) and the war casualties (almost entirely male), they ignore the male workplace deaths, hell they pretty much ignore everything about the life of men.

          [–]1KyfhoMyoba 12 points13 points  (0 children)

          It's called the "Apex Fallacy"

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Ok ok the bottom line is some hott women just suck.

          [–]life_manager 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          90%? What nice odds. More like 97%

          [–]Anderfail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Just because they noticed them doesn't mean a damn thing. Those men didn't have it all either, they made sacrifices, fucked up at times, and made many life changing decisions. In life there is always tradeoffs, if you do one thing it means you can't do another. Way too many people nowadays think that you can do both. The reality of life is that in many cases you will never have opportunity again and you will have missed your chance.

          The Special Snowflake attitude that is pervasive now is going to result in a hell of a lot of massive meltdowns once these people hit middle age around 40.

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            [–]Temuzjin 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            TRP is not saying that women should by law be chained to the kitchen. TRP is saying that most men would prefer a hot 18-year old virgin with zero education who loves to cook and clean to a 35-year old accomplished, famous, rich and educated career woman.

            You're free to not believe this, you're free to dislike this and you're free to ignore this and become a career woman regardless. We're merely telling you what we think is the truth; do with it as you like.

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              [–]WoahScienceCool 12 points13 points  (1 child)

              Someone closer her own age (a lot of these multi-millionaires and such are well established 60+ year olds), more similiar interests, better personality, etc. Theres a long, long list.

              In her defense, a lot of these older rich men tend to be narcissistic and mentally abusive, alcoholics, cameras everywhere, wiretapping phones, one guys house was designed so you cant leave/go outside without a key (essentially locked in like a prison), etc. Just cause the guy is rich, doesnt necessarily mean its all fun in the sun.

              [–]Sadiebb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Can confirm everything you say. Have known a lot of rich old bastards, money has a dark side for the person who has it. They can't trust anybody.

              [–]KenuR 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              what the fuck flaws did the guys have where being a billionaire wasn't enough to offset them.

              Something something fifty shades of grey

              [–]foldpak111 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              This is what I'm saying. Women will live fast but truly die young. They will be okay, though. Guys usually endure that harsh reality for the first thirty years of their lives so I feel no sympathy. The only advice i'd give them is to suck it up, pull the pin, and hold the fuck on. Or don't. Doesn't really effect my life.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Women can have it all - but not all at the same time. If they want to have career, good boyfriend/husband, children and education and beauty, they are going to have to postpone one or the other to a later day. And frankly, same is true for men too. If they want to be successful, intelligent, confident, handsome, well-built and on high career growth, while at the same time have hobbies (playing music, etc.) on the side, they may have to postpone few things to a later day. Unfortunately feminism has taught women to prioritize work and education over family and children and we are already beginning to deal with the consequences (below replacement level birth rate).

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              [–]WoahScienceCool 32 points33 points  (35 children)

              You obviously dont know many rich people or have never been around the scene. Stop speculating based on God-Knows-What and let me break it down for you.

              Do you know what old, single, male millionairies and billionaires require out of a woman just to even be worthy of his attention?

              -Be young (most important). Being in your twenties is a must, with few exceptions above the age of thirty (though they do exist)

              -Be fit. Eat right, work out, yadda yadda. Toned and model skinny is a must. Nothing below a prime aged, 8/10 is acceptable.

              -Have your own money and a career with ambitions. These guys dont want to just be used as a walking ATM and they want to see you have substance beyond being a secretary or a house wife. Despite this weird belief on TRP that there are just hoardes of beta millionaires ready to just throw away all their lifes hard work on a random 6/10 piece of pussy, this is not the case at all. These guys are grade A bullshitters, thats how they made their riches, and know when they are being played. Exceptions do exist as always.

              -Be educated, and not just in garbage Social Studies nonsense. They want you to be articulate, to understand the complex issues his and his other millionaire buddies are going to be talking about. He wants you to be able to keep up intellectually.

              -Be wordly and cultured. Be able to talk about history, opera, world travels (and not in the sense of riding 50 Shades of Cock "traveling"), enjoy smarter, drier TV shows like Frasier, Seinfeld and Curb, know about different wines along with the significance of their years/regions/brands, have a good sense of humor, etc. Girls interested in Facebook, Kim Kardashian, night clubs, etc will not last longer than a fuck and chuck at best.

              -Know how to and enjoy cooking, cleaning, throwing/hosting parties and event functions, other womanly stuff.

              -Not be a typical cock-carousel riding slut with a weird history of criminal behavior, dating bad boys, divorces, bad credit history, drifter lifestyle, etc (and believe me, these guys do have the resources to check and they will look into their history).

              -Feign interest 24/7 in his hobbies and passions. My mom has done some downright dangrous shit like swimming with sharks/barracudas, mountain climbing on at rediculous heights, flying in a small, rickety plane that almost crashes every time because her bf at the time was learning how to fly airplanes as a hobby, etc.

              -And after all that, be willing to sign a Pre-Nup. No questions asked.

              This doesnt even include other female competition that will slander you to potential dates, steal boyfriends from you, frienemies, backstabbing, etc. There are no true female friends in this realm.

              And yes, this is all from IRL experience. Elite men marry literally the top 1%-2% of women. The women who get guys like this for the long term, play the socialite game like a full-time job. Youll have good looking 8-9/10 girls in their prime twenties who will score dates here and there, but never last beyond a few fucks before the guy starts getting embarassed whenever she opens her mouth. These men need women who will make good impressions at their business functions and within their social scene, along with all the above mentioned. Youre average middle-class, skinny-fat, bimboed, aireheaded 6-7/10 suburbanite who eats like shit and drinks like a fish every weekend with a degree in Sociology is never going to cut it.

              You guys hang around on Reddit too much. Youre used to hearing stories of these lame middle class suburbia girls marrying some beta, maybe upper-middle class suburbia STEM nerd who posts on Reddit and cleaning his slightly above average bank account clean. The men of the elite are an entire different species. Trust me, Ive been around these socialite circles in Chicago, Palm Beach and LA. Ive met Donal Trump personally quite a few times at events hosted at his coubtry club in Palm Beach County, Florida. Celebrities, multi-million/billionaires, con artists and wannabes were all the norm when I would occasionally be dragged along to these functions in my younger years. Youre average run of the mill suburban girl has no chance with these men unless she SERIOUSLY steps her game up like its a full-time job- but alas, most girls think theyre already perfect and see no need for improvement, no matter how obvious.

              Im not sure what youre basing your absolute assumptions on, but based on my IRL experience, I do not envy girls/women at all. Im not bragging either, I live a relatively nice and modest life as an oilfield worker, me nor my mom ever benefited from anything long-term in those social circles. These guys are cut-throats, thats how they made their money. You cant just walk in and take them from what their worth (rare exceptions- which usually makes national news- withstanding).

              Excuse any typos or grammatical errors, typing on mobile atm.

              [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 15 points16 points  (5 children)

              Psychologically I find the uber-rich to be fascinating people. Usually always Machiavellian as fuck. I like Machiavellians. You're going to be paranoid as fuck when you're worth that much, there's always that "is this person only talking to me because of my money?" thing going on and yet, if a person has little money - the chances the rich person with that fear/paranoia will invest any significant time or mental capital on someone who isn't in their economic stratosphere is low. It's bad for their reputation, they offer no socially intelligible benefit. They're dead-weight. You're closed off to them, almost instantly. Exceptions apply (say the person is insanely smart or talented, but poor - you may see them as investable human capital if narcissism hasn't totally taken over) but as you insinuate, it's a very closed-off world. To be honest, I don't blame the rich for wanting to incubate themselves from this cultural collapse. It's the daughters being raised in that environment who need watching the most.

              [–]WoahScienceCool 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Exactly. These rich social circles- particularly in places like LA and especially Palm Beach- are FULL of fake wannabes and downright dangerous con-artists trying to break-in to these wealthy socialite circles. You can spot them the minute they open their mouth because they immediately start aggressively and boldy prying into your background and status- your education, your job, what kind of car you drive, etc. If you befriend any of them they will stab you behind your back or even in front of your face.

              Just to give you an example of what goes on in-between women... Years ago, one of my moms "friends" in Palm Beach, some nobody old, fat, single hambeast from Cleveland, was sitting at my mom's table at Donald Trump's Christmas event at his country club. My mom was flirting with and getting attention from this wealthier older man who owned some company involved in computer software. Naturally, the hambeast frienemy didnt like this, and suddenly blurts out in front of everybody to my mom "you know, Susans been spreading rumors to everybody that youre an Escort, just thought I should let you know". There was an awkward silence, the guy excused himself from the table, and when he returned he never spoke a word again to my mom the whole night. Later, come to find out, the hambeast was blowing up his phone with texts all night and the next day (she was ratted out to my mom by a frienemy of hers), of cours he wanted nothing to do with her nasty ass- and so everybody loses.

              But yes, these are the type of weird, two-faced people that are always trying to get close to the rich. They are well aware of it, and are always on guard.

              [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I'm surprised the fat hambeast was even allowed into the club. Why was your mother "friends" with her? Evidently she was a parasite. If I ever get so rich people want to prey on me, I'm going to dress in basic non-branded clothing and have a very modest car. You can do without that kind of bullshit. Showing interest in people's money is so fucking transparent. Good for you guys these conmen are stupid, a smart conman would know not to be so obvious and to win your trust first before attempting to swindle you. Privilege comes with the curse that it must be constantly maintained, without vigilance, it can all be lost.

              [–]feelinglazy 5 points6 points  (3 children)

              Then why are there so many million/billionaire getting divorce raped?

              [–]WoahScienceCool 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Unless its for cheating, domestic abuse, or the rare occasional loophole, this isnt as common as youd think.

              Divorced =/= Divorce rape

              When my mom divorced her husband worth hundreds of millions after one year, she didnt earn a penny and actually lost pretty much her entire savings from selling her former condo to pay for her lawyer. Yes, she signed a prenup, as almost all women do who marry into wealth- and it protected the husband. These guys have some of the best lawyers protecting them and know how to cover all corners.

              Again, there are always exceptions. At worst, there are a few guys who pay some chump change settlement, which doesnt even scrape the bank in their eyes, just enough to get the woman to shut up and never deal with her again. Its not even something that can be lived on long term. My mom didnt even get this deal though.

              The guys who get fucked the worst are the middle class/upper middle class mediocre betas. They cant afford to lawyer up and cover their corners the same way as the rich.

              [–]feelinglazy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              I remember a woman mentioned here who got a hefty settlement from a divorce. She then proceed to go write a book to help other women make more money from the divorce. Fucking parasite.

              [–]newspaper_nerd 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Great post.

              fun fact: Matt Damon married a bartender.

              [–]WoahScienceCool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              True but celebrities tend to be a different beast from self-made cuthroat company and large business owners.

              Celebrities, such as actors, tend to be just regular people with some extraordinary talent (save reality TV sluts) that will retain their roots and quirky, down-to-earth qualities. Usually.

              The dark-triad, cut throat, ruthless company millionaire is an entire different animal. There are always exceptions, and I even met a few who had hearts of gold, but on average, this is how it is.

              [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Eh, NABAMALT, (not all billionaires and millionaires are like that). Plenty get married multiple times and taken to the cleaners, as well as get rinsed by their mistresses. Also, why the hell would any of them want to marry someone smart? So they could get poisoned in their sleep? I know plenty of rich people who have bimbo trophy wives, and they keep them out of their business. Also, a bit of brains is a dangerous thing; the guy could get deluded into letting wifey run things. Even the hardest-bitten, most jaded asshole you can think of could be gotten to if the female socialite con-artist plays a better game of bullshit than him. Everyone wants to believe they can be loved for who they are, even if they know its bullshit. They may entertain doubts, but the lure is too irresistable, especially for people as isolated as the uber-wealthy.

              [–]fittitthroway 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              How did you get to see those circles? By the way, were these guys self made? Reddit has me believing that most wealthy guys inherited their money or did a lot of illegal stuff to do so. What are these guys like in person? Mean or nice? Etc.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Millionaires can be self made or inherited. Most billionaires came from the land of connections and silver spoons. There's some exceptions, but generally the elite of elites were born up there already.

              Reddit overshits on the self-made narrative. Many millionaires I know are humble, hardworking people who honestly do help out when they can - they just can't always manage to. They are not sociopaths, they are not parasites - they just had a good idea that they spun out into a bigger idea, pulled in the right people to help, and made their own luck.

              But millionaires aren't SHIT compared to the billionaire elites. Most of the billionaire elites types pretty much fit the bill of what other posters here were talking about.

              [–]feelinglazy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              How do you know? Have you met them in person?

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                [–]WoahScienceCool 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Of course they watch TV. These are not extraterrestrial aliens, these are human beings. Seinfeld is only the number one comedy tv show of all time.

                Congratulations though, youre the first man Ive heard of in my entire life who does not like any one of those shows- particularly Seinfeld and Curb. Must be a Reddit thing.

                [–]HashingSorting 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                Very pertinent post and a good foil to the original I think. The OP puts on a diatribe of how you should or shouldn't do whatever without ever really saying why. Why is it bad to have a circlejerk against these women? Why do we need to move on with our lives to be happy?

                I have seen many older RPers chide those who are still in the anger phase, but IMO that phase is just one part of the internalisation process and an important one at that. Denying new RPers a chance to vent, to have an outlet for their frustrations, may very well just lead to them just senselessly swallowing the anger without ever resolving it.

                Your post, though, tells me exactly why all these bitches will ever be is just that. Thanks!

                [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                No one is denying anger phase people their god given right to be angry.

                We are saying don't be angry at women. It is a fruitless endeavor.

                Being angry at women would be like a fat dude being angry at McDonalds. Be angry at yourself.

                I know so many poor dudes who are angry at Wall Street or Sillicon Valley or whatever the fuck. They are bad at Obama. Obama didn't make your dumb ass do a stupid major, Larry Page didn't make you use google to search for porn instead of programming classes.

                Being angry with women is the same. If you are poor in pussy, then you cannot be angry at pussy, what sense does that make? Hating on women and inventing rationalizations for why they "lose in the end, haha!" just makes you feel better about yourself. But feeling good about yourself is NOT useful; it actually saps you of motivation when you can make yourself feel superior by inventing reasons why everyone else is inferior.

                Instead, I'd recommend these guys get angry at themselves. If you are fat, get angry at yourself for being a shithead who eats too much and is lazy, and use that anger to beast it out in the gym and kitchen. Get angry that you never took risks with women, and use that to push yourself to do approaches and go out regardless of how you feel. Anger is useful, but anger towards an amorphous "other" like women is useless.

                [–]mchlyxhn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Why is it bad to have a circlejerk against these women? Why do we need to move on with our lives to be happy?

                Does it benefit you to stay angry at women? Does it benefit you to stay angry at coffee tables for always knocking into your shins? No, of course not, it's ridiculous.

                Being angry at women for thinking they're "too good" for you is classic beta, Nice Guy behaviour. Just laugh and move on. Holding on to the hate in your heart is bad for your health, physically and mentally.

                Secondly, the problem that is women has an answer: Be alpha. Women are attracted to alpha males, so why not focus your energy on becoming an alpha male? There's much better ways to spend your time. They call it the anger PHASE for a reason. It's a phase, just like breaking your voice at 13 is a phase. You have to progress from that phase, otherwise your growth is stunted.

                [–]trpnoc 0 points1 point  (7 children)

                You are obviously exaggerating with your list. From your description, your mom sounds like an above-average slut-model, the kind that is used as currency in such circles, for sex and having fun in general. I knew quite a few women who fit your list, smart beautiful women with Ph.D.s in engineering field, and while they would sometimes joke about marrying a millionaire, they never do. There is no reason for them to become a slave for some rich jerk. Maybe in the US, with its fetish of money, its prevalence of fat ugly women, and its generally dumb population, the situation is different, but I doubt the difference is a major one.

                [–]WoahScienceCool 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                Well, as stated multiple times now, my mom was married a second time and was primarily involved in LTR's that lasted for years on end. Nice coping mechanism you got there though.

                I knew quite a few women who fit your list, smart beautiful women with Ph.D.s in engineering field, and while they would sometimes joke about marrying a millionaire, they never do. There is no reason for them to become a slave for some rich jerk.

                When it comes time to having and raising their own kids, theyll be singing a different tune entirely. Corporate life is going to take a back seat when it comes to biology and instincts.

                Hysterical how you take things women say so seriously. You must be new TRP.

                And keep telling yourself that as you use a computer that was invented in America, programmed with a software that was written in America, on the internet that was also invented in America, speaking to people on Reddit- an American website. Idiot.

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                I was responding to your EDIT.

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                This made me feel great. Thank you for sharing.

                [–]epixs 43 points44 points  (7 children)

                Can confirm, I work part time at a country club as a personal trainer. I train all kinds of 30-40 year old women who grew up with wealthy old money, went to college and joined sororities , rode the cc, got married to some chump , and now pay 75-100$ per training session to stay fit .

                Life isint fair, these same women tell me all the shit they do to stay attractive looking . From plastic surgery, dermatology appointments, and deep tissue body massages . They have everything, but I can tell you this...they aren't happy. I see it everyday , they got the 90K Cadillac SUV and the 60-70k a year country club membership but still aren't happy.

                Once you've rode that much dick and lived that college alpha context life style they are constantly reminded of what they miss.

                So much more I could go on with this, but on my phone.

                Bottom line: they could care less of the nerd or loser who turned alpha, they aren't impressed if they can't leach or jump onto his status level. They are end up comparing with each other and thus never happy.

                Perfect example, a client yesterday was complaining to me how her old friend just bought a lake side vacation home in the vineyards, like wtf who gives a fuck...but the fact that she didn't have one genuinely ruined her day. Dumb bitch.

                [–]WoahScienceCool 10 points11 points  (3 children)

                The difference between these select few women and the majority of other girls/women, is that they were smart enough to play the game and marry their rich husband during their prime years in their twenties- and grow old with him.

                Your typical girl wants to spend all her prime years living the Sex and the City single lifestyle until she no longer has the pussy power to marry rich men anymore. Single women past the age of 30 have it hard just for that reason alone- most men of their age and older are married by then.

                [–]epixs 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                I agree. Most of these women were young in a different age, waaaay before social media and all these bull shit women empowerment for riding 100 different dicks.

                [–]urbansheriff 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                60-70k a year country club membership

                what?

                [–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (7 children)

                On the outside (facebook) they will put up a happy front "My hubby surprised me with a movie date for valentines day!" but the truth is that she is no longer sexually attracted to her husband and she wishes she was 20 again because hot guys don't hit on her anymore.

                [–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (2 children)

                Maybe, but the hardest part of her life will be keeping her affair hidden from a wealthy BB who is desperate to NOT discover it.

                [–]Tricky_Dick_ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                This is closer to the truth than many people realize.

                [–]CrimsonDeep 35 points36 points  (1 child)

                I've seen so much of this shit on my facebook it's laughable .

                Then you send the chick a message about something not even related to and she offers you her phone number to get together to do something while her husband is at work or out of town or busy that weekend. Some of these women I genuinely thought at one time in the past were of another nobler Christian breed.... Come to find out ; AWALT even “Good Christian Women”

                I've seen marriages fall apart because one of these chicks hamstered away :

                “God led me to another man ” or some bullshit like that.

                That's the most disgusting I've ever heard as a nontypical Christian myself.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Religion is crack for the hamster. They can use it to justify anything they want. The hung masculine bad boy was sent by God to teach you life lessons...right...

                Or you were sent to show him that there's still love in the world. Maybe you'll have to go to extreme measures to show him just how much.

                The latter scenario happened to me. I swear to Christ this Catholic girl thought it was her God-given destiny to sex me into believing. Love it.

                [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Women of all ages do this though. (Not taking away the validity of what you're saying. Just adding.)

                I knew a chick who would say shit like this all the time, but was fucking one of my friends on the side. Its things like this that have given me trust issues.

                [–]byronshadow 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                There are captain save-a-hos everywhere. A single mom I used to work with who had three sons(from three dads) got engaged to a financially stable army lifer.

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                [–]giffengoods 22 points23 points  (6 children)

                Not only is wishing ill on others bad for you, but in this situation, it likely won't happen.

                and

                lot of these girls will retain their looks because they actually do care for their appearance, many of them shop at Whole Foods stores (because they come from rich families) and if needed, they can get surgeries to keep their looks. Now once they hit 30, they won't stress out that much about finding a man because they will still have their options. For every guy decides these girls are sluts unworthy of marriage, there are at least 5 rich guys who will more than happily marry this kind of woman.

                These two statements are very true. Unfortunately, karma isn't real. The world favors those that take action. I've rejected a few girls, and I have felt bad about rejecting them, but they weren't my type, or I wasn't as interested in them as they were in me. I have never regretted rejecting them. I rejected them at that time. If they turned into super models, I still wouldn't regret having had rejecting them because I rejected them at a past time, when I wasn't interested.

                But, like you said, hot girls are the winner at life. You can't blame them for rejecting you either (for either not being good enough or approaching in a weird way), they don't owe you anything.

                The faster you learn to self-improve for yourself, and not comparing yourself to others, the happier you will be.

                On a side note, I once did have a girl tell me that she regretted having had rejected me for a date. She was a washed up slut, and not as attractive anymore, and I really didn't give two shits about her at that point. I just told her that that was really sweet, and walked away.

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                  [–]UnpluggedMaestro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  People who think of karma as some cosmic tool will sadly be disappointed. No, it doesn't exist. But I think of karma differently. I view myself as an instrument of dispensing karmic justice, so my action is required for karma to have effect. For example, you punched me. That's bad karma. Your karmic comeuppance will, for example, be spending the night in hospital or jail.

                  [–]WoahScienceCool 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                  Your last paragraph completely invalidates and contradicts everything you just wrote above it.

                  Thats exactly what TRP is referring to when they reference post-wall women.

                  [–]giffengoods 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                  You shouldn't go along life expecting girls to tell you that they regret rejecting you because that is never gonna happen. And, if it does, you're most likely not gonna care.

                  This specific girl that rejected me in high school, and I ran into her like 3 years after graduation, so she wasn't post wall, but I have worked on improving myself, so I was now out of her league.

                  [–]WoahScienceCool 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  "Never" is a pretty strong word- especially considering it literally just happened to you. Not sure why this subreddit insists on such absolutes. Apparently, for example, its either its ALL women end up as crazy cat ladies who want to commit suicide when their tub of ice cream runs out or ALL women end up as successful trophy wives living in mansions with their six pack husbands and healthy, well adjusted children after decades of riding the cock carousel and castrsting beta males. Now if this thread stopped using stupid words such as "never" in place of "most likely not", I probably wouldnt even be posting in this thread to begin with.

                  And no, I dont expect women to "regret" rejecting me.

                  What I was referencing to was how you described the girl as now slutty looking and used up. If you think youre the only man who sees women past their prime in this sort of light, youre sadly mistaken. Most men are just as in touch with their senses as you are when they spot (and avoid LTR's with) a carousel riding slut. Hence why I said your last paragraph completely negates everything above it. Most post-carousel/post-wall women are not going to the trophies they used to be in their younger years.

                  [–]feelinglazy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  You must be new here. That's the lingo we use around this part of the town

                  [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                  We all have selective perception. We see what we want to see. If we want to believe in this popular, but BP "Justice Narrative" where bad people get punished and good people get rewarded, we find examples and distort reality so that we see all the cases that justify our belief system.

                  It is a great human weakness and one key aspect of RP is becoming aware of this tendency, and eventually eradicating it as much as possible.

                  Good girls win and good girls lose, and bad girls win and bad girls lose. There is no order, there is no tidy reward and balance system in place to ensure that justice is carried out.

                  Now, I do know a TON of women who grew up with everything - hot, rich, etc, who are honestly miserable. But in these cases, these girls simply made decisions that didn't pay off - they are not bad people or people suffering the wrath of a just universe. They are just people who chose a strategy (short term, party now and settle later, marry for status, avoid hard work) and it didn't pay off.

                  There's other cases where the exact same strategy does pay off. Bitter guys love to forget about the fact that girls can win the game. Girls who won the genetic lottery and learned enough pragmatism to use people... they can go far, way way farther than many hard working guys can.

                  Inventing "justice" narratives is tempting because it makes the pill go down easier. You must remember, however, that TRP works so well because swallowing the pill is damn hard. Be wary of convenient bullshit that makes you feel better about everything - that feeling will stop you from learning how to accurately analyze reality.

                  [–]ProductivityMonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  There's other cases where the exact same strategy does pay off. Bitter guys love to forget about the fact that girls can win the game. Girls who won the genetic lottery and learned enough pragmatism to use people... they can go far, way way farther than many hard working guys can.

                  Truer words have never been spoken. Was quite revealing when a woman actually admitted this to me.

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                  [–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  Excellent post.

                  The men who fail to live up to their fullest potential tend to hold grudges on others and believe that "karma" will eventually wreck havoc on the lives of those people. It doesn't happen.

                  [–]TAOofSTEVE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  When I first discovered the red pill, the fire that fueled my transformation was the thought of seeing the look in the eyes of the girls who rejected me or passed me over. It drove me to a new career where I doubled my salary. Learning to manage my own investments and grow my savings. I hit the gym, focused on my health, and worked on my style. I canceled my cable, read books, picked up new hobbies.

                  I worked on my communication skills and studied social dynamics. I made new friends and strengthened my relationships with my existing friends. My relationship and bond with my family strengthened.

                  Along the way I forgot about the desire to stick it to the girls that rejected me and passed me over. I was too busy living an awesome life to think about them. They weren't my drive anymore. I am now my own drive.

                  Looking back, I don't blame those girls. I understand why they weren't interested in me. I cringe thinking about some of the things I did in my blue pill days. But what I did and the girls that once rejected led me to where I am today.

                  [–]the99percent1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  Look, RP is all about freeing yourself from the shackles of society.

                  The purpose males have been bred is to be worker bees. Men are the ants of human civilization.

                  You work, bred and then you die. What a fucking life to live...

                  So start living it on your terms. Do things to please yourself first and foremost. Fuck what other people think is right for you, they are wrong.. Go black knight a couple of girls, today, everyday. Find amusement for yourself. Self improvement is for yourself. The end goal should never be about pleasing women over yourself.

                  [–]HAMMURABl 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                  actually, they will.

                  on the other hand, it is hard to get any sense of happiness out of seeing the previous 20y/o hottie turning a 40 y/o hag. if you meet her at 20, you might have some abstract comprehension of her hitting the wall, but jesus.

                  i cant help but feel pity for any woman turning 35. they have basically lived their life.

                  [–]occupythekitchen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  The word is redemption, I've had girls who looked me over get closer to me once I started to improve myself. Truth is I just wasn't attracted to them or their personality at that point and was doing my own thing. Once you're in a state of needing to improve its easier to regret the actions of others instead of getting your shit together. I doubt most guys who have their shit together resent anyone, they just go to the next.

                  I picked up this extremely attractive girl and we fooled around next day I tried to talk to her because I wanted more and she ignored me. I don't wish her any harm or have ill feelings towards her but the old me would have.

                  [–]Fentrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Even having your shit together, doesn't mean that you are always on to the next. You are in done respects, but when you spend a long time with someone, could be a woman you are romantic with, could be a friend, could be a family member, but you spend a lot of time with that person and they turn out to be fake/gaming/whatever, then you really do resent the wasted time. But best not to dwell on it.

                  [–]weirdnamedindian 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                  Thank you so much for this!

                  This is absolutely true.

                  I got a mate of mine - we've now become gym buddies - who is 10 years younger than me. Got him into RedPill and both of us are still working on our SMV.

                  We were talking about our gains and he said exactly those words - "Man, those girls who passed us when in high school and uni are soo going to feel like chumps now that we've become so much more better"

                  Both me and my other mate - who is alpha as - shut him down as nicely as possible and told him to not think of it in this way.

                  Those women will lead awesome lives - or they will not.

                  Basically, forget about it. They couldn't care about you back then and they will not care about you in the future, however awesome you have become.

                  They are not worth the time and effort to think about.

                  Move on. They have. And you should too.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Rich people always have pick of the litter. They also always marry and have children. Well, not always I suppose, but the only traditional families left in the USA are rich families.

                  [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Get revenge on those that slighted you and honour those who supported you in exactly the same way: be the best that you can be.

                  Some will do well into their 40's. Some will save money and favours and cash out. Some will get into drugs and slide downhill fast. Some will develop mental problems and slide downhill even faster. Some will be unlucky with their looks or be unable/unwilling to keep the fat off their bones. It's all a bit random.

                  Men have a longer shelf life - enjoy all of it but don't waste your time worrying about others. Most women lead fairly average lives - this is their lot. It is not ours. An average life is a shitty life for a man.

                  [–]1User-31f64a4e 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Later in life, they may get their just deserts. They also might not, as the OP points out.

                  Who cares? Your life is what matters, not hers. Focus your energy where it can be useful. You have a lot of control over you own life; spend your effort and energy and thoughts there. Don't make your less happy by nursing grudges and loosing sleep over what will or won't happen to the bitches from the past. They say living well is the best revenge - so get even!

                  Also, the fate of our ex's is something we have very little power to affect. Probably the most you can do is plant little seeds of doubt in other men, to help sow the seeds of redpill. Not outright evangelism, because the backlash can damage you. So just planting seeds of doubt to help other men wake up and see women for what they actually are is all you can do to get back at women who did you wrong.

                  The goal of the red pill should be to not let any of this affect you, to live a great life and not care about the fact that some groups of people just automatically have it better than you do.

                  Well said. Focus your energy and thoughts where it will do some good - your life.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  A woman's looks are a depreciating asset. A mans intelligence is an appreciating asset. A porn star Shy Love coined that.

                  [–]bitches_be_crazy86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Hey don't blame women for being sluts. No one hates sluts. Personally I love them. The problem starts when you're a mere 7/10 trying to score 7/10 or higher and they just ignore you or reluctantly use as a BB.

                  You put yourself in a situation like that. All those retards that get married know what they are doing or should know what they are doing. If you're 7/10 and aren't a worthless pussy wipped western hemisphere faggot you can get 5 or 6 out of 10 bitches all over you and praying for being your FWB. I see sluts like that from time to time. Random girl you see somewhere and from the way she looks at you.., you know it's just a matter of handing her your number and she will call, meet and be your cumbucket.

                  I am not saying that you shouldn't be ambitious or improve. Quite the opposite, but don't be an annoying door to door salesman trying to sell a product that no one wants. Be more agressive by being passive. Build your value and stop chasing bitches. Them bitches should be chasing you.

                  [–]kevkos 11 points12 points  (4 children)

                  Most will actually suffer, because most hot 21 year old women are under the illusion that their power as a hot chick will last forever, then come the 30's, and as things change, most will freak the fuck out.

                  So instead of wishing that they'd suffer, know that they will and have empathy for their older, less attractive selves.

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                    [–]kevkos 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    Nope, I have no resentment or revenge mentality when it comes to getting bypassed by hot women. I already know they are having their moment in the sun and it won't last, no reason for me to wish they would decline, it's going to happen no matter what my attitude is.

                    If you read my post you would see that I said to have empathy for these women. That's quite different than hoping bad things will happen to them because they rejected me.

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                      [–]kevkos -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      I don't assume anything. I said MOST will suffer. This is true. Some will be smoking hot at 45. Others will decline at 35 and still be happy for several more decades. I have empathy for the ones who decline and are unhappy about it.

                      [–]1User-31f64a4e 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                      This is a great post. It goes well beyond red pill.

                      Pretending life is fair and women will get what's coming to them is a delusion, a mental crutch. As I look into myself, I see this being about refusing to admit that someone got the better of me. I was had, and I didn't deserve it, and there is somehow comfort in the idea that she'll get hers. Why? Because it is very difficult to admit to myself I lost a time or two. That maybe I don't have the power to make women treat me well, that I didn't in the past and I don't know. That I was a victim. Pretending life is fair lets me deny these truths, because she magically gets hers in the end.

                      A better answer than delusion is to realize that you are not completely powerless over women, once you see clearly. To some extent this is what PUA is about, although that still carries a lot of risks (pregnancy, false accusations, crazy bitches, etc.) in this climate. PUA is also very situational; it is applied psychology, applied to a limited range of endeavour. But you have other power. You have the power to walk, to be MGTOW if you want to. You have the power to be very choosy in your relationships, making pussy beg you instead of the other way around. You have the power to set terms and limits on your relationships and stick to them, once you accept abundance and master the fear and accept that yes, she might walk over your terms. You have the power to focus on your self instead of on women, optimizing your life and fitting women in where and how it is convenient.

                      So don't delude yourself, don't pretend life is fair, don't rely on karma instead of exercising what power you do have. Face life head on, and play out your hand as best you can. In a lot of ways that is what it means to be a man - not to whine, but to act as powerfully as you can.

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                      [–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                      Eh, I'm almost 30 and I've seen plenty of girls start to hit the wall.

                      While I agree some will escape it, there definitely does seem to be something of a judgment day. I already have one ex posting about how she'll, "Find a real man that'll forgive her for her mistakes" or something like that.

                      [–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      she'll, "Find a real man that'll forgive her for her mistakes"

                      I see the TRP movement (esp RP Women) as having a somewhat minor function of helping these kinds of women educate the next generation into not riding the cc.

                      Hopefully.

                      Worth a shot.

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                      [–]ppvknifefight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I'm going through the same thing now. To be honest, it's not the healthiest motivation, sure, but it gets me off the ass to the gym on a consistent basis, so I say fuck it. Use it.

                      [–]draketton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      What I've learned through following the lives of my hottest high school classmates is that the happiest women are the ones who were attractive as a teenager, carefully maintained that attractiveness for 10-15 years, partied for about 75% of those years then married in their late 20s.

                      A lot of TRP users advocate a lifestyle where a woman skips the wild partying and marries during teenage years or shortly after. I've seen that one play out a few times and it's always a misery trap.

                      [–]yummyluckycharms 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      There is a difference between anger and revenge.

                      Anger is undirected and is generally pointless besides venting. Revenge is usually focused on individuals, organizations, etc that wronged a person and can be used to give an individual the motivation and ambition to see that revenge fullfilled. Its highly productive as history as shown us

                      In red pill context, anger at hot girls or complaining about the system of hypergamy is useless. Seeking revenge by seeking to improve one self so that you can rub it in their face is highly satisfying. Having done it myself quite a few times, the pleasure is almost ecstatic. I would never recommend discarding the drive for revenge

                      [–]2johnnight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I have examples on my facebook, where The Wall hit them like a concrete block. It's mostly genetics, but there is also lack of maintenance.

                      It's just sad and in those particular cases I had nothing against them. And there is one suicide case, which I also blame mostly on the wall. She is was an OK person.

                      OTOH, life is random and its punishments are not based on merit.

                      [–]1edwardhwhite 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Huh? I could care less about what they think. I care about what I am going to do.

                      [–]Squeezymypenisy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Finally. I was so sick of these revenge and anger posts that keep showing up. The anger phase should only last a short time, then you move on.

                      [–]Meeseeks_AndFreaks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Not sure why so many people are agreeing with you. I'm nearing 30 and have seen enough cases to prove otherwise.

                      [–]TempusRerumImperator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I don't think you understand what the WALL is. Sure these girls will be able to get their beta bucks, but that wont make them happy. The WALL is when you realize you're not pretty or smart or feminine enough to secure commitment from a Rich Alpha and have to resign yourself to betadom. The WALL is losing your youth and innocence and becoming a jaded cunt. In that respect, many women have already hit the wall by 20.

                      [–]BBB2000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I have to agree with this. I think the wall is greatly exaggerated.

                      Chicks are still hot in their 30s and have their pick of the litter.

                      If a chick ages well...yeah she may not get the top 3 percent of men....but is it that bad if you can get the top 10 percent still ??

                      It's a minor adjustment I think.

                      While guys smv increases with age and we get more options, we still have NOWHERE near the options chicks have even when they are older. It's just facts.

                      [–]malignantbacon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      The problem a lot of the guys with that mentality have is that they don't realize that the suffering of people they used to care so much about isn't going to do a thing to make their own lives better. You can try to make fun of it and relatively speaking it might make them feel better, but feelings predicated on someone else not doing well are hollow objectives to pursue in life.

                      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Preach!

                      I have met old females I had a crush on and for a split second wanted to show off physically to show them what they passed up, but I realized this action was petty and didn't matter to either of us in the end. They went their way and I went mine.

                      [–]midnightyeti 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Many young women want to live the alpha cock dream. They want it, badly, but they're too far buried in their comfort nest to go out and find it. However, these days a lot of young single women do sneak out of their cozy bubble and use sugar dating websites like www.tempted.com and hook up with successful, wealthy, generous men.

                      [–]antwonedw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      great post.

                      [–]youcomehereoften 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Well said.

                      [–]AnonTheAnonymous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I still think it can be fun to watch them get butthurt when they see an attractive man their age with a much younger woman.

                      [–]thedatingmind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Fantastic post. Playing the victim looking for revenge is a losing battle. People, pretty girls included, see their childhood with rose colored glasses, and forget all the times they ignored someone. Kids are assholes. Be an adult

                      [–]nofaprecommender 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Great post. I would add something about the following that you said:

                      The goal of the red pill should be to not let any of this affect you, to live a great life and not care about the fact that some groups of people just automatically have it better than you do.

                      It's only better by the standards of outward superficial socially-approved success. "Count no man happy until he is dead," as they say. Just because someone has more social validation or access than you doesn't mean their lives are really better in the way that you might want it to be. Look at Kim K, she is going to be rich and desired all her life but I'm sure her head is empty and endlessly craving for some purpose in life. Siddhartha was born a prince and gave it all to become the Buddha and that was the better life for him. Believe that your life is the best one for you and those other people will matter even less.

                      [–]dicklord_airplane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      a phrase that helps me let go of resentment, can't remember where i heard it: "Harboring resentment is like taking poison yourself and hoping that it hurts the person you resent."

                      also, remember that a lot of people probably resent you for whatever advantages you have (whether you were born with them or earned them), and what does that mean to you? nothing! step outside of yourself and take a good look so that you don't end up like one of those people with festering resentment and petty, dishonorable schadenfreude. that's no way to live, in my opinion.

                      [–]planetross2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      well, this thread really took off on the votes. I expected it to be downvoted into oblivion but looks like many on here realize this sad truth.

                      [–]Masonjarteadrinker2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Great post, I find myself thinking, oh she's gonna regret it but that's stupid thinking, she shouldn't be in my head at all.

                      Thanks OP I needed to read that.

                      [–]Saiserit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      "Over the past two decades, the use of antidepressants has skyrocketed. One in 10 Americans now takes an antidepressant medication; among women in their 40s and 50s, the figure is one in four."

                      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I wonder how much getting used up and old for a woman is based on the number of kids she pushed out even more so than keeping in shape and eating right.

                      [–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      They're going to be miserable once they hit the wall. They might have a lot of materialistic possessions they stole from BB, but she'll be longing to get an alpha to commit but they won't. Knowing she'll be thrown around like a piece of meat is hilarious.

                      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I feel more sorry for the naive BB who becomes financial and emotional collateral damage of somebody else's poor decision.

                      [–]Venicedreaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Yes, i agree. It's admirable to push for self-improvement. However, it is very pitiful when someone puts down others or worrying about whether other people are happier, men or women. Live your life the best as you can, stop giving two fucks about how other people are doing

                      [–]prodigyx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Nothing wrong with using it as motivation for self-improvement.

                      "She is going to be so sorry she dumped me once I'm a millionaire body builder."

                      Eventually you forget about her completely because you are so focused on continuing progressing your goals.

                      Anger, fear, hate, wishing ill-will upon somebody...all these things are only harmful to yourself.

                      [–]GurneyHalleck85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Haha, such hardcore red pill. This is why I love this place: the endless shattering of delusions.

                      [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      Not only is wishing ill on others bad for you, but in this situation, it likely won't happen.

                      On the contrary, reaping what one sows is truer than ever in this case. Their happiness is defined by the strength and stability of their bond with the man in their lives. The mechanism which binds a woman to a man evolved (this is just my personal belief, supported by things I've seen first hand & previous partner count to divorce rate stats) as a one-shot kind of chemical firework. It works the second time, maybe - any cocks past that ensure a woman will almost certainly be unhappy regardless of how her subsequent life and relationships may seem on the surface.

                      This isn't written as some ill wishing redemption male rights bravado bullshit, it's just how it is. The above is a big reason why I'd rather not fuck a virgin unless I am at least somewhat interested in dating her nowadays ...it's just a waste and thinking back to how many lives I permanently fucked up with just that doesn't make me feel good.

                      If only the sad fucks who'd make great dads figured out how to seem slightly less so and got enough know-how to isolate and fuck the virgins they want to have tons of cute babies with, our society would be so much better off.

                      [–]token_stache -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      Fuck twenty somethings as long as you can. That's the best revenge, fucking the younger version of the girl who is now post wall who thought she was better than you. Will it hurt her, no, but you'll know your fucking the girl who is now better than her.

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