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Red Pill TheoryYou're gonna like the way you approach and open; I guarantee it. (self.TheRedPill)

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Attitude

  • Let go of your outcome.

  • Strive for FUN.

  • You can never be certain that she won't reject you, so give up on green lights (IOI) and GO.

  • You rely on “pickup” lines to eventually discard reliance on pickup lines.

  • Normal guys are boring and slightly awkward when /if talking to hot chicks

  • Even if you are totally boring and awkward, the worst you can be is normal.

  • NOT opening a girl means you are a selfish dick who wants to retain all the awesomeness in your life for just yourself.

  • Women go into public to be opened, they put on make up to be opened, their "girls nights" are designed to get dick.

  • See yourself as a man that women desire.

  • Know that you can and will please her.

  • Always assume that it's on, that she desperately wants you, and that you hold all the cards.

  • Have the attitude that you are auditioning or testing the girls to see if they meet your standards.

  • Never focus on your looks (genes), focus on how you present yourself

  • You deserve the best of everything.

  • Be Energetic.

  • Be Well-groomed.

  • Be Sexual (Thoughts and Actions.)

  • Show desire through eyes.

  • Be Confident.

  • Be Relaxed.

  • Don't be a friend; be a lover.

  • Slow movements

  • Minimal smiling

  • Contrapposto

  • Impatient outward glances

  • No hands in pockets

  • Open legs

  • Straight back

  • Hold your drink low

  • No fidgeting

  • Low vocal tone

  • Slow speech/accentuate every word

  • Don’t laugh at own jokes

  • Take up space

  • Avoid nervous tics/self-grooming

  • Pregnant pauses

  • Look straight or up, never down

  • Center yourself around your crotch

Approaching

  • Don't wait to approach her until she's alone. Even if she likes you, her friends will soon drag her away.

  • Don't stare at her for more than three seconds before approaching. Hesitate, and you'll either creep her out or psyche yourself out.

  • Don't be afraid to approach her just because there are men in the group. Often, you'll discover that she's with family, friends or co-workers.

  • Never open a conversation by apologizing. Phrases like "Excuse me...", "Pardon me..." and "I'm sorry, but..." make you sound like a beggar.

  • Don't hit on her or give her a generic compliment. Instead, start a conversation with an entertaining anecdote or question, such as asking the group to suggest names for a three-legged cat or a store that sells 70s memorabilia. It may sound corny, but everyone loves to give their opinion.

  • Never, ever buy her a drink. You shouldn't have to pay for her attention.

  • Don't touch or grab her right away. If she touches you say, with a smile, "Hey now, hands off the merchandise"

  • Don't lean in or hover over her. Stand up straight and, if the music's too loud or she's seated, simply speak up.

  • Don't ask her what her name is, what she does for a living, or where she's from. She's bored of talking about the same things with every new guy she meets.

  • Don't focus all your attention on her when she's with other people. If you win her friends over, you'll win her.

Approaching Groups - 2+

  • Approach indirectly. When you begin speaking, talk over your shoulder. Do not face directly or lean in. This will make them uncomfortable. As they become more comfortable with you, then you may turn in and join the group.

  • Do not hit on the woman you are interested in right away. Win over her friends first. Even ignore her, if you must - this will only pique her interest. If she does something silly, tell her friends: "You can dress her up, but you can't take her anywhere!". This will make her friends feel safe with you and make her wonder how you could possibly be unaffected by her charms. Note: this should not be an insult, but more of a tease, like one might do to a little sister.

  • Enter with an energy level equal to or slightly above that of the group you're approaching. Everyone's out to have fun. If you are able to make them have a little more fun than they're currently having, they'll accept you.

  • Use a neutral entertaining opener. To start a conversation, ask a question that will pique the attention of most people. Two subjects fascinate everybody: relationships and the unknown. So ask, for example: "Where would you take someone on a blind date?"

  • Root the opener. If you don't let the group know why you're asking then they are going to think you're taking a survey. So add a story: "I'm asking because my friend over there just moved to Los Angeles, and his boss has set him up with his daughter. It's kind of a lose-lose proposition."

  • Offer a time constraint. As soon as you approach, the first thing the group worries is, "How long does this guy plan on staying here?". Until you win them over with your humor, personality, or special skills, you must short-circuit that fear by telling them, "I can only stay for a second, because my friends are waiting over there."

  • Demonstrate value. Now that you have approached and talked to the group, the next step is to make it so they don't want you to leave. This is where any skill you know - or can learn - will come in handy, whether it be magic, hand-writing analysis, palm-reading, psychological personality tests, or teaching her something about herself. You'll know you've done it correctly, if you pretend as if you are going to leave afterward and they drag you back to talk more.

Banter - HAVE FUN. Little Sister mentality

She Tells You Where She’s From

“Oh no, a [location] girl? You guys are trouble.” When she asks why, “[location] girls are all brats” or “They’re always hitting on me. They’re really grabby.”

Artist, painter, sculptor?

“Oh my god, you’re not going to ask to draw me naked, are you? I’m not falling for that again!”

Musician, poet, writer?

“So where do you get your inspiration for writing? Do you need someone to break your heart? Because I’m really good at that.”

Finance?

“Oh my god, are you a rich girl?! Because I’ve been looking for a rich girl so I can stay home all day and sit on the couch, eat potato chips and watch TV.”

Student ?

“Oh my god, are you cutting classes right now?”

Cashiers

“I’ll take 17 cups of coffee.”

“I’ll take a large coffee. And put a little extra love in it for me!”

“I’ll take a massage and a warm bath.

“So what do they pay you here, like $10,000 a week? No? That’s too bad. I was going to ask you out. But I’m looking for a rich girl.”

You run into her again

“That’s so cute, are you following me?”

Talking about the weather ?

“Oh my god, I am hiring you as my meteorologist.” Or “What’s with this horrible weather? You did something to anger God, didn’t you?”

She’s carrying a shopping bag or says she went shopping ?

“What did you get me?” When she starts to answer cut her off and say “No wait, just surprise me with it later.”

She spills a drink or does something stupid ?

“I can’t take you anywhere. Go wait in the car. This is why you can’t have nice things.”

You’re In line in front of her ?

“You’re not trying to cut in front of me are you? Because I’m pretty tough”

Or if you’re in line behind her

“I’m not trying to cut in front of you. I wouldn’t do that. You look pretty tough.”

She Tells You Her Name and it’s Strange –

“Oh my god, you’re the fourth [her name] I’ve met today!”

Showing interest is a great conversational pivot from these banter examples to more serious conversation. At a high point during banter — when she’s laughing or smiling and generally digging the vibe — you show interest in a simple, straightforward way. Something like “You seem pretty cool” or “I dig you… you’re all right” works great.

Bonus - BaconEggsandSleaze Kino Specialty - THE BOOB TOUCH

You'll need to be holding a drink in order for this to work.

When you're talking to a girl and standing close to her, you lean in and talk into her ear while the hand that's holding the drink makes contact with her boob.

Leave it there; you'll be surprised at how many girls let you keep it there and they may actually push up against it.

Remember, this is the back of your hand touching her, so it seems totally unintentional.

If she backs away, you can immediately realize that she's gonna take some effort, so if you want you can next her without wasting any more additional time. This move can be pulled off minutes after introduction.


[–]abdada 264 points265 points  (46 children)

One small thing you're missing in an otherwise perfect write-up:

She is probably just as nervous and awkward as you fear you might be.

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    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    Intentionally awkward is actually effective. Smirk it off and demonstrate you don't give a fuck about trying to impress her. It's a way of shit testing yourself, then blowing past it. Attention gained, now engage and close.

    Most guys are too stifled, trying hard never to be awkward. But their lines give them away. You never want to look like your gaming a girl by trying to be clever and perfectly smooth. Embrace the awkward.

    Great post OP.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    /u/....Dad

    awkward is actually effective

    Man has a good point but this was too good to pass up.

    [–]Boovs4life 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What is she says "but I thought you were gonna pay!" After getting a drink or something

    [–]someboringdude 33 points34 points  (34 children)

    Only if you're alpha , if you're a fucking nerd her vagina is dry and she's creeped out.

    [–]abdada 45 points46 points  (32 children)

    Possibly true but I have helped a ton of nerds attempt and succeed at day game before any of them found their masculine foundation.

    The fact that even Dorkus McNerves can approach 30 women in a week, get 3 phone numbers and 2 dates says something about the confidence part of Game.

    Charisma comes with practice.

    [–]Lord_NShYH 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    Really, charisma is a habit.

    [–]Smooovies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Dorkus McNerves

    Oh my god. That's hilarious.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    True. The problem is that most people don't approach anywhere NEAR enough. I've yet to have a guy who did 100 approaches end up with no second dates, no matter how short / hideous / beta / etc. A helping hand might've been involved in texting but the point stands: you need a sample size big enough to be reliable before leveraging the data.

    [–]1favours_of_the_moon 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    She is probably just as nervous and awkward as you fear you might be.

    That may very well be, but she has the entire world at her back. She has momentum and win in her sails no matter where she goes or what she does. It's a dude's place to go against the grain. So you gotta enjoy it, make it fun.

    I will usually be ironic in these situations, not hipster ironic but playing off the particular circumstances of the situation in a way that I think is humorous, and the bitches rarely catch on to. Just to amuse myself in that way.

    [–]abdada 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    That may very well be, but she has the entire world at her back.

    No, she doesn't, because the world wants her for just one thing. And half the world is her competitor as women are never really good friends with each other. A man has to struggle for survival but once he succeeds he actually can make good friends.

    She has momentum and win in her sails no matter where she goes or what she does.

    Wrong. A woman has wind in her sails while she's young but once the wind dies, it's dead. A man can rise from the grave many many times.

    Just to amuse myself in that way.

    Agreed! Keeping myself amused is always key to any interaction with anyone.

    [–]1favours_of_the_moon 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Wrong. A woman has wind in her sails while she's young but once the wind dies, it's dead. A man can rise from the grave many many times.

    You always go out looking to pick up old ladies?

    [–]abdada 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Of course not, but what she believes isn't important.

    If you're a man born to lead, you're not going to attempt to lead a woman who is completely clueless about her declining path. They're fine for ONS. They're somewhat acceptable for plates. They're not acceptable for LTR.

    So to say that ALL young women have wind in their sails is ignorant of the fact that SOME young hot women actually know their value is fleeting.

    [–]1favours_of_the_moon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    So to say that ALL young women have wind in their sails is ignorant of the fact that SOME young hot women actually know their value is fleeting.

    No matter where they go or what they are doing, they will be praised and validated.

    No matter where they are or what they are doing, if anyone criticizes them, that person will be confronted and forced to recant.

    [–]abdada 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    they will be praised and validated.

    And how well does praise and validation work in the sexual marketplace?

    that person will be confronted and forced to recant.

    And how often does a man's apology work in the sexual marketplace?

    [–]Corndog_Enthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Huh, didn't expect to see you here!

    [–]Titanstone 75 points76 points  (10 children)

    At least half of this post is ripped from Mystery Method. This stuff is played out game in my opinion. It was effective back when they ran nightclub game, but now the dynamics of game are changing. Some of the basic things like stance, confidence, and tonality are a given, but the rest of this stuff is whatever. It isn't necessary. Just approach with a game plan, demonstrate value, get the number. This stuff often leads guys to get way too much into their head, and then they aren't able to naturally vibe with anyone nor do they calibrate.

    I'd really much rather see guys on here talk about game from personal experience, and not post stuff that is regurgitated from established game.

    [–]hatertauts 44 points45 points  (1 child)

    i kinda thought these were examples rather than lines to be memorized. It's like math. You don't memorize the equations, you learn the argument so you can solve a variety of them, even if you haven't seen them before. But you learn the arguments themselves best by examples and problems.

    Similarly, you read examples, then you go and try to do something similar w/ repeated cold approach, learning the way to be funny, charming and sexual as you go.

    [–]Lord_NShYH 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    i kinda thought these were examples rather than lines to be memorized. It's like math.

    Agreed. Don't use canned lines: internalize the attitude, and live it.

    [–]J_Dizzle1000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Took the words right out if my mouth. I thought I was reading Mystery Method for a second. Haha

    [–]no_face 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Mystery method was a breakthrough circa 2004. However, most of the stuff here is dated and many girls are wise to the opinion opener and neg.

    Magic tricks are hardly value. You are a clown at best and its just another form of peacocking, ie. grabbing attention in a loud busy environment such as a night club

    [–]anon10500 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I agree. I think the most important part of this post is "Attitude" part. Rest is up to your style; direct/indirect, day/night game whatever...

    [–]zephyrprime -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Honestly a lot of this stuff never worked in my opinion. I and many other guys tried this ASF standard stuff and it never worked. (Mystery made a lot of contributions but a lot of his stuff was also just standard theory from Alt.seduction.fast)

    [–]i3unneh -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    And how do I get this 'game plan'?

    [–]throwaway_holla 63 points64 points  (9 children)

    • Minimal smiling

    Nah. This is a good way to seem stiff, or to not generate good/fun feelings in the woman you're talking to.

    • Impatient outward glances

    Pfff. No. That makes you look fidgety or uneasy.

    • Don’t laugh at own jokes

    Please. Laughing at anything you find funny, including your own jokes, conveys ease, confidence, feeling comfortable and natural, and a lack of insecurity.

    [–]daygamer69 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    I have to agree with all of these.

    [–]Money_Bags97 -4 points-3 points  (5 children)

    Most of the things on this list are completely ridiculous

    [–]throwaway_holla 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    I dunno about most - I didn't count - but I agree that many are way off base and sound like they came from a guy with zero actual experience with women. "Centered around your crotch"??

    [–]DarkisKnight 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Actually, OP is right on the money. Most of the list is text book PU either Mystery Method or Neil Strauss, and it does work.

    [–]throwaway_holla -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    Maybe on some, but the point is A) that it may work for them some of the time, but definitely doesn't work for all guys, and B) the opposite also works some of the time. So either way is "right," depending on what you prefer.

    [–]bigcitytruth 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    A good 80% of the list is lifted directly from heavily field tested PUA tactics. The stuff works even though it seems counterintuitive. In fact, they work because they're counterintuitive--you'll stand out.

    [–]throwaway_holla -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Some of the time you'll stand out as the guy who is awkward and uncomfortable.

    [–]throwaway-aa2 24 points25 points  (6 children)

    Instead, start a conversation with an entertaining anecdote or question, such as asking the group to suggest names for a three-legged cat or a store that sells 70s memorabilia. It may sound corny, but everyone loves to give their opinion.

    Be honest: you always do this, and get away with it? I for the life of me cannot justify to myself doing this because it sounds so utterly retarded... it's like you're almost trying to hard. Again I'm not disagreeing, I just want to know if this always works for you when you approach.

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      [–]hiphoprising 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      I just don't see how it's an improvement on something direct like "that stare you were giving me earlier was burning a hole in me".

      Right away you know whether or not they're interested by their response. They're not going to talk to you just for entertainment on some zany question you ask, they're talking to you because they want to get to know who you are.

      [–]Trpidation 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      They're not going to talk to you just for entertainment on some zany question you ask, they're talking to you because they want to get to know who you are.

      Exactly, but they're not going to want to know who you are if you're not entertaining.

      [–]hiphoprising 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I think a better word to use (rather than entertaining) would be interesting.

      [–]FinallyRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This is for night game. Everyone is drinking and trying to have a good time in that context. You'll mainly be judged for how much fun you're having/providing. Something weird or crazy works only if you're doing it in the context of having fun.

      [–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

      You could also just ask for opinions on something you actually know/care about. Like I wear suits and ties a lot, so sometimes I'll point out some fashion accessory they have and ask if they got it at some such store, or I'll ask them what color tie I should wear tomorrow, out of a few choices.

      [–]circlhat 32 points33 points  (4 children)

      You can never be certain that she won't reject you, so give up on green lights (IOI) and GO.

      This, right here is good advice, focusing on IOI is to mentally time consuming just do what you want(within reason)

      [–]1jb_trp 39 points40 points  (2 children)

      I've had dates with potential plates that just seemed to be going nowhere. No strong flirtation, no sense of tingles or excitement, but then after a while I get bored, and <bam>, I just lean in, say "come here" and kiss them. And it's that level of confidence and not caring about rejection that is the thing that turns them on. I've had a few plates and pump-and-dumps from that alone.

      [–]RichardBelmont 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      This. I first tried it when I thought I was doing poorly and was surprised it worked

      [–]1jb_trp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You miss 100% of shots you don't take. Might as well try, right? It works for me about 9 times out of 10.

      [–]McLarenX 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      A lot of this advice is stuff that took me years to get right. Good job OP. Especially the "accidental" backhand boob touching. That's one of my kino/escalation staples, it fucking works.

      [–]RedPillMat 23 points24 points  (11 children)

      I don't know if it's just me, but the "don't talk to her right away, win her friends over" ALWAYS fucked me over because I'm very good looking. Usually what always happens is they assume I like one of her friends (the friends I'm winning over), and they in turn usually like me, so the real target makes space for her ugly friend to have a chance with me, and then when I do decide to talk to target, she feels weird because her friend also likes me. I also never found the whole "her friends pull her away" to be true, usually the friends are quite fine with letting me talk to her.

      I wish someone would write up a post on how to initiate the first kiss. That's the one part that I just have so much trouble with.

      [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (3 children)

      1. Change the surroundings and isolate them with some excuse like... going to get a drink, outside to smoke, outside for fresh air, w/e location to show/get her to do w/e activity, etc.

      A girl is less likely to reciprocate if her friends are around her (doesn't want to be judged as a slut by her friends). I've found better success even by getting her to turn away from her friends (so she's not immediately aware of their presence). The more bull shit the excuse you give and she follows, the higher IOI. I have a buddy that says "I need to show you something in the washroom, it will only take 5 minutes, no 2 minutes" and it works because he's funny/charming.

      2 . Align your body in a way that makes it easy to kiss her. If you're having to make awkward jerky movements to kiss her, it comes off weird and seems like you're forcing it.

      If you're standing, you ideally you want your shoulders aligned and your eyes to be roughly at the same height level (think like a fight stance). Setting this up is easy, as most 1v1 standing conversations will take place like this (if it's not in a crowded place and you aren't waiting in line for something). If you're not facing each other, simply grab her hand, spin her around and go for it. I like this move when moving through a crowd or heading from one location to the next (could just be from dance floor to bar or vice versa). It catches the girl off guard and most are very receptive to the spontaneity of the maneuver. I like if it if the girl is in front (not leading though) especially and you're holding hands, just say "wait" in the middle of walking, spin her around and go. This is my favorite when combined with other techniques further down.

      If you're sitting, you can be facing the same way but your shoulders/hips should be turned into each other, that way you can easily rotate your core/neck and the kiss will look/feel more natural. When sitting I like to use my furthest hand from her body to slide under her chin and past her far ear to lightly cup her face/hair, then gently nudge her face to align with mine as I go for the kiss. Usually the slight nudge with my hand is all they need and they do the rest of the movement voluntarily. I specifically like using this the far hand/ears (or outside, w/e you want to call it) as it's more of a leading/controlling action than if I had gone for the ear that's closest to me (ie the one I can see). Also this leaves your hand closest to her free for kino, ie thigh touching, putting your arm around her, hand holding, etc.

      When a girls eye level is significantly lower than you (ie she's shorter), you will have to make adjustments. In most cases you will not need to physically change the level of yours to meet hers (ie ducking down like a creep), you'll simply need to rotate the angle of both your heads so your eyes are looking into each others. As long as you're not rotating your heads at an extreme angle to the horizontal plane, you'll be able to connect the kiss smoothly (ie what Urlich Bachman would call the dick-to-floor bridge in a similar scenario). For this I love using my index finger and thumb of my hand furthest from her body to place under her chin and gently (but quickly) push her chin up until she's facing me while looking down and going in for the kiss. I like combining this one with the standing hand holding half spin previously. Or if the girl is significantly shorter than you (like a foot), you can find an excuse to pick her up bring her face to yours for the kiss (girls fucking love this shit if you do it smoothly).

      3 . Lower your reaction time when going for the kiss. Just pull the fucking trigger.

      One of my biggest rules for approaches is lowering the reaction time on my approaches from when I've decided I want to approach to actually opening the girl. I used to psych myself out so much by mulling over what I was going to say that I would just not approach or I'd be in a weird state when I finally did. I think I saw in a Julien video that you should literally run at a girl once you've made that decision, you'll look like a retard the first few times with nothing else to say, but you'll be much better for it. You should always calibrate after the fact, never before.

      I've taken this rule and applied it to kissing as well. As soon as I feel the time is right to kiss the girl I just go for it. Like approaching, if you mull it over trying to optimize the situation you'll just psych yourself out and ruin it. You get better the more you try it. Don't psyche yourself out or go over a mental checklist in your brain, you aren't going to remember all this shit in the heat of the moment and if you try you'll miss your chance. When you get the feeling, just do it, go for it. You'll fuck up, make adjustments, and learn for next time. What your gut is telling you is usually a reaction trained from experience and similar situations. The more you do it, the better your gut reaction will be at accessing the situation. Also if your gut is telling you to just go for it, ignore all the fucking rules and just do it anyways. It works out most of the time.

      This may seem like it goes into too much physical detail for some, but the reason for that is to stress the fact that you need to eliminate all areas in the kiss that would make it seem unnatural (and leave you more likely to get rejected). Even though this process is usually only a few seconds long, a girl can tell when the process seems forced and unnatural, which she subconsciously reads as the act of kissing you feels awkward/forced/unnatural.

      There really isn't much to kissing. If you've done your open/hook/vibing properly you should be able to land the kiss fairly easily. Kissing and pulling are more about logistics than they are an indicator of how well you vibed with the girl. You can be vibing great and the girl has already decided she wants to bang you and you can fuck it up with the kiss. (I've done this before, recently in fact and it was awful). The point is that you want to make it feel natural for the girl. She wants to be comforted by the fact that you know what you're doing. Show you've been here before.

      [–]RedPillMat 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Fantastic. I'm 6'3 and girls are usually much shorter, and I've always tried never to bend down when interacting, so kissing is hard to make appear natural.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      The key is to try and make her come to you. You're still doing all the movement (literally moving her face), but if you can at the very least get her to look up prior/during the kiss it's okay to bend down a bit to meet her.

      The problem is when you hunch over weirdly and invade her space. Subconsciously this communicates the same thing as losing frame, that you're willing to sacrifice yourself for her needs.

      The standing kiss is harder to pull off naturally with a large height difference, but more powerful due to your dominating figure. Sitting helps cut the height difference in half most times. If you can find an excuse for her to sit in your lap the setup and alignment for a kiss couldn't be easier.

      [–]Trpidation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The problem is when you hunch over weirdly and invade her space. The standing kiss is harder to pull off naturally with a large height difference, but more powerful due to your dominating figure.

      My personal favorite is the standing kiss because, being taller than most women by a lot, I tower over them and they melt when you tilt their chin up to look directly at you. The not hunching over part is a little more difficult, it requires women of a certain height. But I've never had it stop me in the past.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      I wont write a post on first kiss but I am very successful with this so I will give you my method. Firstly I am not good looking yet I always get the kiss so you should have no trouble. This is not a long or complicated method. It is very simple and always works.

      It's all in her response to your kino and eye contact. I always grab a girl by the hand and hold it for as long as possible. If you gently squeeze her hand and she squeezes back, she is ready for the kiss. That is it, of she is holding eye contact and she squeezes your hand back when you squeeze hers she is ready to he kissed 100% of the time. I have never once had a girl reect my attempt at a kiss if she squeezes my hand or rubs my fingers or wrist. If she does any of that lean in and kiss her - simple.

      [–]RedPillMat 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Ok, how do you start with the hand holding?

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      I always grab her hand gently mid conversation while not looking away from her eyes. Just grab her fingertips and hold. Then hold her hand. Rub her fingers/ hand/ wrist. If she doesn't pull her hand away then try to interlock fingers. Give her hand a squeeze, if she squeezes back she likes you. If she rubs back or swirls her fingers that is good. Also if she is a bit nervous but still holding yourhand then that is a good sign. The only bad sign is if she consistently releases her grip or does not continue holding hands. Of this is the case it's probably time to move on to next girl.

      [–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      /u/RedPillMat this is great advice, it works for me very well. Another brief tip that can also help prepare her for the first kiss is looking deeply into each of her eyes then at her lips in a triangle. Look deeply into one eye for 5-10 seconds, then the other, then the lips. At first you may feel slightly stupid doing it but honestly it never fails.

      [–]RedLavaLamp -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      This has worked for me, the latest just last weekend.

      After talking for s while and being decently sure she is into it I say 'Hey, (pointing to somewhere out of the crowd) wanna walk over there and make out?'

      You'd be surprised how often this works. If she says no, chances are she wasn't going to no matter what.

      The looks on their faces at such directness is priceless.

      [–]Trpidation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Being this direct is fucking awesome. I would phrase it less like a question though. When you put it like a command, they respond very strongly. I usually say "let's go over there and make out", rather than asking if she wants to go. I just assume that she wants to make out, and now here's her chance.

      [–]Trpbrother -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      A lot of this stuff is from/inspired by "The Mystery Method". In it he talks about a couple of kiss gambits. Recommended reading.

      [–]LyricBaritone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Some of those lines are autistic as fuck.

      "I’ll take a large coffee. And put a little extra love in it for me!”

      CRINGE

      [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      Basically, be in a good mood and talk bullshit. Touch her hand and gauge kino response to determine if she likes you. If so, close. What is required of you as a man? Indifference to rejection, confidence, abundance, positivity. The attractive guys in this thread complaining bitches shut them down should just use Tinder. Hot guys get all the tinder pussy for a fraction of the effort.

      [–]Trpidation 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      The attractive guys in this thread complaining bitches shut them down should just use Tinder. Hot guys get all the tinder pussy for a fraction of the effort.

      Lol for fucking real. Anyone who doesn't think this hasn't spent enough time on there.

      As a social experiment, I think I may have gotten the idea from a comment a while back, I made a fake Tinder profile with model pics. The responses I got from women were absolutely insane, I was blown away. I spent literally a day messaging bitches and putting in minimal effort. By the end of that day I already had about ten chicks message first, one offered to deep throat that very night. The top 20% of attractive men have it waaaaaay fucking easier on Tinder. Like so much easier that I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself.

      [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Tinder is like domino's pizza for pussy if you are genetic aesthetic master race.

      [–]1KissTheBridesmaid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This is true. I'm quite an attractive guy but I never use tinder. It's like skipping to the end of a good book. Meeting someone completely random, approaching, flirting, teasing etc. that for me is the funnest part. This is a process that you MUST enjoy if you want to be good with women.

      [–]throwawayyourliberty 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      This is canned material at its best and will NOT, i repeat, NOT quick fix your social issues with women.

      You need to work on your mental basis, which takes a lot of time. This disregards PU, because in its core it is pick-up is only striving to emulate an identity. This identity is formed by canned material and rigid patterns. More than 50% in this post is typical PU-trash from the early 2000.

      The real issue here is, that this post is mixed with RP-language and PU-trash. Hence, its not quite obvious for inexperienced men to see a difference here. Even i was struggling to understand the RP-stance on PU. But it was unfolding after time and experience. I strongly claim, that is not the way to become a better version of yourself. It will prolong your way until you realize to work on your fundamental issues and also to accept that women are not the only goal in life.

      [–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      PU is not trash. You use the canned stuff until you have your own stuff. In my case, I cannot remember the canned stuff, so I make it up as I go along, but having read the canned stuff gives me enough of a push in the right direction.

      It actually worked well and quickly, though I did think I might fuck it up. Nope, girls will cut tons of slack for anything but betaness.

      [–]Overzealous_BlackGuy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I will say this post isn't completely rp, but it's great for beginners . you need value to successfully use rp strategy imo. Which is why you grind in monk mode until you Improve yourself. You have to start somewhere.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Solid objective advice, as much as I enjoy the philosophical and meta discussions on here, this is the kind of shit that got me into the red pill.

      [–]jaggs55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      All of this to be done as Matthew McConaughey from Dazed and Confused.

      [–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      In my experience one of the most difficult things to do is become outcome independent. I know a lot of people say it all the time, but I feel like they over simplify it.

      Reality is, outcome independence is tough, especially for a newer person. No matter how much you say, "I don't care about this outcome" there is still a bit of it there. Even when someone tells themself, "YOLO, Don't give a fuck" they still will. I know I catch myself sometimes. Because let's get real, you want to be successful. And let's say you are being outcome independent, but you're still going out in hopes of hooking up, meeting a chick, etc... So whenever you approach, there is still that haze thinking in your mind, "oh, I hope this chick is into me. I hope i play it well enough." Get rejected? There's still that little voice deep in your head that's at least a little dissapointed.

      The best way I've found to mittigate this is to literally not try to pick up chicks. I don't mean go out thinking, "Fuck women. I want nothing to do with them." Instead, have literally every approach you make NOT be about trying to game them. Literally approach because you want something else out of them. Maybe trying to hook your buddy up. Maybe trying to see if you can get them to buy you a drink. Maybe about getting them to admit something stupid. Literally, anything other than building attraction.

      [–]drummmmergeorge 2 points3 points  (6 children)

      Pregnant pauses? Can anyone clarify?

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        [–]Lord_NShYH 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Insecure people are TERRIFIED of pauses in conversation. "What if they think I'm boring????"

        I always take the perspective that I'm a king holding court, and it is their job to amuse me or I will be swift with my metaphorical beheading/nexting.

        [–]relearnwhatisknown -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        henry mastered that technique in tudors

        [–]letsgetrandy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Something really bad happened to me today...

        ...

        ...

        (Looks around)

        ...

        ...

        ...I lost my keys for like 20 whole minutes.

        [–]WallyHotvedt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        waiting a period of time in silence where it begins to become uncomfortable for everyone around you that it is suddenly so quiet/why isn't someone speaking?? before continuing. Part of owning the frame that you and others are in.

        bill burr/epidemic of golddigging whores (youtube it): "why is it so quiet in here??!?"

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Minimal smiling-

        Can't help it I smile all the time

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        [–]Lord_NShYH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        People take for granted that which they don't understand.

        Even worse, they often fear the unknown (as trite as that may sound, it is usually true, and what can be more unknown to a beta than an attractive woman on a pedestal?).

        [–]tpfr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        u/BaconEggsAndSleaze -

        Strong post bro, keep it up. If I were able to award points you would have at least one by now. Thanks.

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        [–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        would appreciate direct link if you can make available.

        [–]sensitiveduck -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        I have this saved in my phone for when I go out. I am not a fan of canned lines at all, more about the attitude and high energy. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/03/13/a-crib-sheet-of-game/

        [–]An_All-Beef_Engineer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Good stuff man! Cheers mate!

        [–]moresmarterthanyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Great write up! do a first date one!

        [–]Dueperdue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        No photo-meme? I am disappointed.

        [–]el_Technico 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I lol'd at the boob touch trick. Pure genius, well done you misogynist shit lord.

        [–]epixs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Some of this does not work if your really attractive/intimidating. Many women will put up bitch shields to prereject me before I even get a chance "to reject them". When you approach them, many times they will act aloof. It's their way to hamster that they are still attractive.

        This never happens with other ridiculously attractive women, but those are a minority.

        Great advice though, will definitely be using the backhand boob technique.

        [–]aazav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Cashiers "I'll take my coffee how I like my women, big, black and bitter."

        [–]hennyhendrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This post is awesome. Shit like this is why I read TRP. More posts like this please, and less bitching about sjw's and feminists.

        [–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I don't really rely on that kind of thing...too complicated. I approach when I want to...sometimes I'm having fun but for a reason or another I want to leave so I leave..

        It's a very well written post and a good summary but seriously...why bother? It's not that complicated. It just happens.

        [–]Trpidation -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        You sound like a natural. For me, this shit was not natural to learn. Everybody has their own learning curve and this post is for those of us who aren't naturals at approaching.

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        [–]2Sepean 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Contrapposto seems like a slightly feminine pose to me. Sure you can pull it off if you're masculine, but I doesn't seem to add anything.

        Is it really that great?

        [–]ProspectiveQuant 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        This:

        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Michelangelos_David.jpg

        ?

        Man, that is the most feminine pose imaginable in modern society haha That's literally the pose I see the "flamming" or "queen" gay guys taking in the gay parts of town to display femininity.

        [–]2Sepean 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I did not write it was the most feminine pose, or that it was popular with gay guys.

        I actually meant what I wrote: To me it seems like a slighty feminine pose that a masculine man can pull off though it doesn't seem to add anything, and I would like to know people's opinion on whether or not it actually is that great.

        What is so masculine about David's pose, as opposed to just standing straight and normally? The lifted hand, the leg point out to the side, the turned head, the bent waist?

        It's an honest question, not a criticism of how you stand.

        [–]ProspectiveQuant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I wasn't being sarcastic. I was being serious. I found it hilarious that that that pose was recommended as masculine. It really is literally the pose all the queens stand in in the gay district of town haha

        You'd have to explain to me what makes it masculine for me to understand it.

        [–]kingnutter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Just a point. If you're holding your drink low and your hand presses against her boob you might want to be a bit more selective.

        [–]SwimmingToTheSurface -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        I had to upvote because that was hilarious. Made me picture a dude hitting on a 65 year old woman with sagging tits.

        [–]tddaygame 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The other thing missing in this post is the environment where the approach is done. It's different in a bar or a club versus on the street during a day.

        Don't hit on her or give her a generic compliment. Instead, start a conversation with an entertaining anecdote or question, such as asking the group to suggest names for a three-legged cat or a store that sells 70s memorabilia. It may sound corny, but everyone loves to give their opinion.

        For example I'd never do indirect during daygame. It translates to "hiding your dick". If you're approaching a girl to pick her up let her know that in the first few seconds - using both your body language and words. Do give her a compliment, then playfully take it back spiking the attraction and probing for a topic to talk.

        Also +1 for throwaway_holla - his comment is spot on.

        [–]hiphoprising -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        A lot of the lines here are very forced and unnatural. The types of teasing here are things they've heard a million times. For example, the student bit about not being in class. I mean it's like when you were a college sophomore and you'd hit on the freshmen girls and rag on them for being freshmen. EVERY guy did that. They hear it a million times.

        I just think if you want to get off to a good start, you don't want them to think you're a goofball. Go with the flow, dig a bit deeper and get to something that not everyone talks about THEN rag on her a little bit. That way she's opening up with the benefit of a bit of teasing, a very unique experience in contrast. Get to the good stuff ASAP.

        [–]Lord_NShYH -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        For students, I say something like: "you should have picked a better major because, at this rate, you'll never be as successful as I am."

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        [–]ConnorGracie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Omega is not even allowed in the pack

        Social recluse. Mental illness. Cellar Dweller.

        [–]Kitosaki -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Omega is the last letter in the alphabet , assuming it's like an ultimate bitch man or something like that

        [–]zephyrprime -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        This is all just old ASF/Mystery method stuff. Half of it is good but a lot of it is nonsense.

        Let go of your outcome. yes but easier said than done. I would say accept failure.

        Strive for FUN. This is actually probably the most important.

        You can never be certain that she won't reject you, so give up on green lights (IOI) and GO. (yes) Yes. Looking for ioi's in a hectic environment is tough. If you get one, you have a big leg up but don't wait for one if none are coming. Girls typically hide their ioi's and it's easy to do so in a night venue.

        You rely on “pickup” lines to eventually discard reliance on pickup lines. (yes) Pickup lines never worked. They are only good for people who are good actors. 90% of guys will sound fake as fuck using lines and this ungenuiness will blow them out of the water.

        Normal guys are boring and slightly awkward when /if talking to hot chicks. yes/no. There are plenty of confident guys out there especially at places like night clubs. Plus, the alcohol and their friend groups pump them up beyond their normal level of confidence.)

        Even if you are totally boring and awkward, the worst you can be is normal. WTF? Being normal is way underrated. Awkward is a million times worse than being normal. A lot of guys who have severe problems with girls are all sorts of weird social issues with them so if they could attain normality it would actually be a huge leap forward for them.

        NOT opening a girl means you are a selfish dick who wants to retain all the awesomeness in your life for just yourself. lol. I hope you are not stupid enough to actually believe this bullshit you are trying to delude yourself. Not opening a girl just means you were chickenshit or maybe you were busy or maybe the timing was bad.

        Have the attitude that you are auditioning or testing the girls to see if they meet your standards. This never worked for me. Doing this make a person too cold and distant in my opinion. It's better to act like you are sexually uninterested in her if you are going to play the indirect game. IE, treat her like you would an ugly girl with a good personality.

        Never focus on your looks (genes), focus on how you present yourself eh

        You deserve the best of everything. probably not but you're going to go for it anyway aren't you? haha.

        Be Energetic. This is actually so important. A more accurate way to describe it would be "be manic". A little mania with it's strong emotion is what makes any opener work - not the words themselves.

        Be Well-groomed. I think poorly groomed douchebags probably get the most chicks.

        Be Sexual (Thoughts and Actions.) yes if you are not playing the indirect game

        Show desire through eyes. only after she is really hooked and you're in the seduction phase. Opening with a sexual interest just get's you shot down right away. I'll give you an example that happened to me.
        Me: Those boots are really cool. - said with some romantic tone and bedroom eyes Her: ... Her friend: She doesn't want your dick tonight.

        Be Confident. This is so important

        Be Relaxed. very important

        Don't be a friend; be a lover. yeah but how do you do that? Just putting lover right on the table just scares chicks off early on.

        Minimal smiling This is some shit advice. I'm naturally low energy and smile infrequently and this definitely hurts me a lot. Smile a lot in the opening.

        Contrapposto sure but you're just talking about minutae at this point

        Impatient outward glances ?

        Open legs eh

        Straight back didn't you just say contrapposto a few lines ago? Contradiction.

        Hold your drink low Don't use your drink as a shield but holding it low all the time will just cause it to be knocked around by all the people walking around. This impractical advice is how I know someone has no fricken real field experience because learning that holding your drink low sucks for drinking is something that is learned right away if you actually go out.

        Slow speech/accentuate every word This doesn't make sense in high energy environments

        Don’t laugh at own jokes A lot of times, it doesn't make any fucking sense to not laugh at your jokes. You would look weird and sociopathic (even though real sociopaths aren't like that)

        Take up space yes but don't overdo this or you will look fake

        Pregnant pauses not important

        Center yourself around your crotch not important

        Don't be afraid to approach her just because there are men in the group. Often, you'll discover that she's with family, friends or co-workers. eh. Usually the guy in the group is the boyfriend. Let's be realistic here. A lot of the time it isn't but a lot of the time it is.

        Never open a conversation by apologizing. Phrases like "Excuse me...", "Pardon me..." and "I'm sorry, but..." make you sound like a beggar. In daytime, opening this way is fine and it useful because so many girls don't expect to be talked to during the day and are shocked that someone is talking to them. At night it looks weak.

        Don't hit on her or give her a generic compliment. Instead, start a conversation with an entertaining anecdote or question, such as asking the group to suggest names for a three-legged cat or a store that sells 70s memorabilia. It may sound corny, but everyone loves to give their opinion. Compliments are probably my most effective opener. The more of a non-sequitor your opener is, the more energy you need to pull it off. Personally for me, energy is a scarce commodity and I can't use a lot of openers that only work with high energy.

        Never, ever buy her a drink. You shouldn't have to pay for her attention. Buying her a drink can be effective. I know a guy who does it all the time and it works for him. It doesn't work with my style of game though. I'd have to adopt his style to get it to work/

        Don't touch or grab her right away. If she touches you say, with a smile, "Hey now, hands off the merchandise" Touching her right away is great in my opinion. Also, her touching you is great. Something like "Hey now, hands off the merchandise" is too cocky in many situations and will offend. If you've already got her into you and chasing you a little a cocky statement like that would be effective. It's very important to realize that all techniques and lines only work if the context is right. The context includes things like how much she likes you, your mood and state of mind, the venue, etc.

        Don't focus all your attention on her when she's with other people. If you win her friends over, you'll win her. It's absolutely necessary to talk to the group or you will get cockblocked.

        Approaching Groups - 2+

        Approach indirectly. When you begin speaking, talk over your shoulder. Do not face directly or lean in. This will make them uncomfortable. As they become more comfortable with you, then you may turn in and join the group. I approach directly all the time. They will not be uncomfortable. People feel strong and secure when they are with their group.

        Do not hit on the woman you are interested in right away. Win over her friends first. Even ignore her, if you must - this will only pique her interest. If she does something silly, tell her friends: "You can dress her up, but you can't take her anywhere!". This will make her friends feel safe with you and make her wonder how you could possibly be unaffected by her charms. Note: this should not be an insult, but more of a tease, like one might do to a little sister. Horrible advice. They will just assume you are interested in the girl you are talking to the most. If you switch to your real target, you might offend the first girl and you might even offend your real target.

        Enter with an energy level equal to or slightly above that of the group you're approaching. Everyone's out to have fun. If you are able to make them have a little more fun than they're currently having, they'll accept you. Should always be higher energy level but not too much higher.

        Use a neutral entertaining opener. To start a conversation, ask a question that will pique the attention of most people. Two subjects fascinate everybody: relationships and the unknown. So ask, for example: "Where would you take someone on a blind date?" Just coming out of the blue and asking a question of a group is weird as fuck. I've done it before but it's tough.

        Root the opener. If you don't let the group know why you're asking then they are going to think you're taking a survey. So add a story: "I'm asking because my friend over there just moved to Los Angeles, and his boss has set him up with his daughter. It's kind of a lose-lose proposition." This is ok but it's not a big deal. Opening is not about delivering these scripted lines. Scripted lines like these are too formal. Opening is more of then not super informal and devoid of informational content. "yo wuz up?" is more useful thank some weird question that is off topic.

        Offer a time constraint. As soon as you approach, the first thing the group worries is, "How long does this guy plan on staying here?". Until you win them over with your humor, personality, or special skills, you must short-circuit that fear by telling them, "I can only stay for a second, because my friends are waiting over there." Not particularly important.

        Demonstrate value. Now that you have approached and talked to the group, the next step is to make it so they don't want you to leave. This is where any skill you know - or can learn - will come in handy, whether it be magic, hand-writing analysis, palm-reading, psychological personality tests, or teaching her something about herself. You'll know you've done it correctly, if you pretend as if you are going to leave afterward and they drag you back to talk more. Doing a gimmick like this demonstrates low value.

        Banter - HAVE FUN. Little Sister mentality good

        [–]tomQrsd -1 points0 points  (5 children)

        I can perform pretty decent card magic tricks

        Demonstrate value. Now that you have approached and talked to the group, the next step is to make it so they don't want you to leave. This is where any skill you know - or can learn - will come in handy, whether it be magic

        but i feel like i would be seen more as a performer, am i right?

        [–]hiphoprising 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I would advise against doing magic or card tricks at a bar. When you do that, you're begging for attention. A better opportunity would be if you were at your house and you had cards spread on the living room table while you were watching TV or something. They're there, it's convenient, it's fun, it's sporadic. In the bar situation you're clearly going out of your way to show the chick magic.

        I do love magic though.

        [–]thefamiliarsound 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Mystery used to use a lot of magic in his pickups and it worked well for him. On the other hand, you might look like a weirdo pulling a deck of cards out of your pocket at a bar.

        [–]-rubashov 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I would avoid the whole card tricks, palm reading etc etc stuff entirely. Far too associated with old style PUA routines and hard to pull off now days.

        [–]DarkisKnight 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I definitely don't think the market is saturated yet. A lot of women still haven't encountered or don't know about pick-up.

        [–]-rubashov -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        I wasn't referring to pickup, I was referring to old-style Mystery method pickup involving peacocking, magic tricks, palm reading.

        [–]Chad_Thundercock69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Little sister mentality vs Little Daughter mentality? Not sure which is better.

        [–]ArtistBlock -1 points0 points  (4 children)

        Damn I do the "Excuse me.." Can anyone tell me an alternate thing to say?

        [–]WallyHotvedt 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        "excuse me" is supplicating. you are asking for the permission/approval of others to speak. You don't need an alternate form of supplication, just start speaking by saying whatever you were going to say minus the "excuse me". Also, consider removing "sorry" from your vocabulary as well since you might use that too. "mistakes were made" "its too bad it ended up that way" etc are ways to acknowledge a mistake on your part without losing frame like you would with using the horrible word "sorry".

        [–]ArtistBlock -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        Interesting. I'm gonna try that tomorrow. When I approach them I say "Excuse me, can I say something ______" Or I should stick to saying "Hi"?

        [–]WallyHotvedt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        figure out why you feel you need to have the permission or approval of others as part of your interaction with people. Learn why you feel you need to care what people think about you. Nice Guy personality that you need to work on?

        When I approach them I say "Excuse me, can I say something ______" Or I should stick to saying "Hi"?

        if you really feel this is a question that you don't have the answer to then you should seriously consider logging more time on the sidebar material.

        [–]RPJapan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        However, it's important to use that phrase in day game

        What you don't want to do is use the word "sorry" i.e. "I'm sorry for interrupting"

        and actually, it's not even bad during night game, as long as you get eye contact after you say it before the next words you say. Also apply this tip to day game.

        [–]YoungHef -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Excellent read OP. Thanks for putting that together.

        [–]relearnwhatisknown -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        thanks for taking the time to write this up. Very nice indeed. Personally I find 'be energetic' ambiguous and almost arbitrary. Meaning that i find it hard to bring that mindset into something tactile and not forced. Any tips?

        [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        TLDR: Good advice - make sure your gut, body & mouth tell the same story. That alone will take you very far.

        Nice post, refreshing writing. This is solid advice for newer / less masculine guys but it'll backfire and burn you alive if you're intermediate / in good shape / etc - then again, hopefully intermediate and above guys already know that. You don't have to conform - approaching is the opposite - but congruence between action, appearance & intent is crucial.

        [–]BadCopWithDonut -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        Don't touch or grab her right away. If she touches you say, with a smile, "Hey now, hands off the merchandise"

        Don't lean in or hover over her. Stand up straight and, if the music's too loud or she's seated, simply speak up.

        these 2 points are complete BS. You want to enable physical contact as soon as possible to avoid being friend to friend. Saying that you should avoid physical contact is just limiting yourself. Calibrate after the fact. See how she reacts and then adapt.

        [–]ENTangl3 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

        It's nice knowing i do 95% of these things naturally.

        [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (8 children)

        My abundance mentality is I dont ever approach women. Its the new day game.

        [–]1CowardlyPetrov -1 points0 points  (7 children)

        how is that working for you?

        [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

        Its working fine for me. But Im MGTOW, the ultimate abundance mentality. No women? No problem.

        [–]1CowardlyPetrov -1 points0 points  (5 children)

        So it's not working. Don't try to bullshit that you are MGTOW and a pussyslaying master. If you had a real mentality of strength you could speak honestly with the men.

        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

        Im not sure what thats supposed to mean, but Im sure its a devastating insult somewhere. Lol.

        [–]1CowardlyPetrov 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        I'm not trying to insult you, not then or now, but you do come off as insecure.

        Giving up on women entirely isn't abundance mentality. There isn't something wrong with going monk mode or going your own way or whatever. But there is something wrong with lying to yourself about what you are doing and why.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        The underlying definition of abundance is not needing something. The man who has tons of pussy, and the man who doesnt seek pussy is in a sense the same. For different reasons, but the effect is equivalent. A woman will be met with an identical reaction, ambivalence. Thats what I mean by abundance. I had a woman hit me up unsolicited today to be a fwb. IDK why she zeroed in on me, but I blew her off. Im not sure what lying you think is going on, but Im not seeing it. I have two years of intense introspection that has brought me to this point. I examined what Ive done my entire life and why. So I doubt Im less aware of what Im doing than most people.

        [–]ConnorGracie 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        That's true women have the ultimate abundance and they never approach.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Not unless they want to. Worst case scenario is they throw a dating profile up and reap the offers, like swarms of locust so thick they block the sunlight. That's the hard life of an average woman, not finding the perfect millionaire to divorce rape.