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Red Pill TheoryUncle Vasya’s Guide to Outcome Independence or Welcome to Level 99 DGAF (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev

Uncle Vasya’s Guide to Outcome Independence or Welcome to Level 99 DGAF

I sometimes say that I operate at “Level 99 DGAF”, which is a more casual way of saying that I have Outcome Independence. Think of it as opposite of “One-itis.” What is it, how did I get here and how do you get here, too.

Something /u/SirKolbath recently posted in a comment resonated with me. “By the time you get to fifty {approaches} you'll stop caring about how attractive they are. By the time you get to a hundred {approaches} you'll be trying to see how fucked up you can approach.” I thought about it, and realized, yeah, that’s true. I do that shit all the time. Not “fucked up” like autistic, but just telling them the truth, packaged correctly, as to what you want, and what you are going to do to them.

I like tying girls up – mostly because I learned that that’s what women who like me seem to want from me and it puts me on the Express Train to Poundtown – so I tell them, basically, that (a) I’m going to seduce them, and (b) I’m going to tie them up, caress and tease them until they are WILD with desire, and then climax them until they BEG to be permitted to stop…or they pass out, whichever happens first.

Of course, it works better if you pre-qualify your girls, then build rapport, and put things in the right context, but once you do, you have a lot more options than you think.

You can feed Hamster Chow to the Hamster. I’m giving the Hamster cocaine. And heroin. Mixed together.1 I can’t tell you how many times I get a tingly “OMG! No guy has ever talked to me like this before!” out of them. And a lot of them wind up “tangled in my ropes”. It’s fun, for me and for them. And if a girls doesn’t? So what? Another girl will.

So evidently, a fuck ton of guys are terrified of approaching women. What if she says “No!’ What if she laughs at you? What if she’s a total cunt?

What if she does? What if she is? So what? Then, at least, you know. And you have eliminated variables, and you can carry on with other approaches. Girls are not evil alien creatures – well, most of them aren’t – they understand that guys are going to hit on them, and the overwhelming majority aren’t going to be bitchy about it. Some will be, either because their own social skills aren’t developed enough yet, or, yes, because some of them are bitches. That’s how it goes.

You know what hell is, in the Matrix? Hell is being a “nice guy” who continuously invests and invests time, attention and resources into a woman who “only likes him as a friend”. He’s too terrified that she might reject him, so he hangs around, hoping that she will “get it” that they were “meant to be together.” As if she’s some day going to say to him, “After all the times you’ve held a door for me, gotten my coat, or carried my books, you’ve FINALLY gotten that 10th Stamp on your ‘Nice Guy’ CardTM and I can FINALLY give you all the sex you DESERVE!”

You wanna know what I’m going to do to Mr. Nice Guy – who, let’s face it, ain’t so ‘nice’2 – while he’s mate-guarding his “One Special Girl”TM ? I’m going ask her, “Oh, is he your boyfriend?” like I give a shit that I might be hitting on ‘his’ girl. She’s going to say “Noooo! {giggle}”

And then I’m going to watch his balls shrivel up into tiny little raisins, and then disappear altogether.

Why? Because he’s invested MONTHS if not YEARS of his time being ‘nice’ to Sexy Fiona, hoping she will ‘get it’, only to have me, or some other baller, walk up and crush his dreams inside of 5 minutes. How? Because he’s got little gerbil balls, and mine are gigantic, made out of brass and go “KLANK!” when I walk.

Women do not OWE you sex, just like you don’t OWE them your attention and resources. Bluepills sometimes have trouble with that last bit, like we’re supposed to fall down and worship the pussy and beg for it. Fuck that noise. Women should never be the end goal, but simply a happy accompaniment to a life well lived. Younger guys don’t always get that right away because you want sex more than you want to stay alive, but you will come to realize its truth.

So how do you get from where you are to the Mountaintop?

  1. Stop Being Afraid of Shit. You approach enough women and you stop being “afraid”, although why should anyone be afraid of a half-nekkid 100# primate is beyond me.3 Faint heart never fucked fair lady.

  2. Always remember YOU are the Prize. My OLTR2 is one of the hottest girls I have ever banged, 5'11", rockin' body, legs that go on forever, amazing cheekbones, DSLs and hair down to her (perfect) ass – srsly, I look at that ass and think “That ass wasn’t born, it was made…in an underground laboratory in Switzerland…by my favorite Jewish doctor, Dr. Finetush.” She's 22, I'm 50. Guess which one of us is terrified of losing the other one? Hint: Not me. Why? She knows I'm confident, I'm a good mixer and, fuck, I got her so why would I not be able to get any of the other million pretty girls out there. I realize she gets offered dick 25 times a day, but I have abundance, amused mastery and I operate at Lvl 99 DGAF – in other words, I can see the Matrix.

  3. “Confidence” is the Key to Everything. I basically piss out a quart of confidence when I get up in the morning. Why? Because I have made myself exceptional at a couple of things. You can, too. Confidence is often expresses as “Amused Mastery”. Go watch the old James Bond films. They are a master class in Amused Mastery. Rock out with your cock out.4

  4. Abundance Mentality. Stop acting like Sexy Fiona is the Last Girl You Will EVER Talk To. A man with options is a man who cannot be fucked with. Now go forth and SLAY!

1 That’s called a ‘speedball’. It’s what killed Belushi, Chris Farley, River Phoenix, Layne Staley, Phillip Seymour Hoffman and one half of Kriss Kross. So yeah, kids, don’t do drugs. And stay in school, n’ shit.

2 Being a "Nice Guy" is an alternative pussy-getting strategy that doesn't work. Nice guys aren't "nice", they're trying to use covert contracts and creepy behavior to get pussy. Women want winners, not supplicating creeps. Women actually LOATHE White Knights. Now, in fairness to Nice Guys, they are taught shitty lessons by media and movies, etc. "Be quiet, take what you're given and just keep being a nice guy and you will win in the end" - when what they should be told is "Look, you need to put YOURSELF first, and do what's good for you. You can either sit around bitching that girls always go for jerks or you can be the jerk that women go for." That's why we tell you to lift, fix your diet, dress better, etc.

3 And anyone who wants to go on about the vicious Macaques (or whatever) that live on Gibraltar and steal shit out of your car, if you’re trying to fuck one of those, there is something seriously wrong with you. A couple of things actually.

4 Not LITERALLY with your cock out. Stop being stupid.


[–]Immune2DNP 137 points138 points  (12 children)

You internalize outcome independence when you have abundance, and you gain abundance when you’re outcome independent.

Since I started hooking up with more girls, have a FWB, go on swipe apps, talk to girls in person, in the day, at bars, everywhere, it becomes easier and more fun. Once you internalize the fact that the worst that can happen is she’ll say “no”, you realize you have nothing to lose.

Instead of dreading “the approach”, you feel excitement. When you do approach, the girl gets flustered/excited too, and it’s fun. Once you get into the swing of things, you realize there is opportunity everywhere, and your mindset naturally shifts to abundance/outcome independence.

I’m also now understanding what people meant by “being in state” and it’s one of the best feelings that exist. It’s being completely present to the moment and another form of a natural high (like a post workout high, post sex high). You can go up to anyone and talk about anything, your self consciousness/fear of what they think doesn’t matter; it’s almost like popping a benzo, but it’s a natural feeling.

Remember: If she says no, there’s a hundred more out there.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 114 points115 points  (8 children)

You internalize outcome independence when you have abundance, and you gain abundance when you’re outcome independent.

For any of you newbies who are saying to yourselves "This is awfully circular, how do I break into this in the first place?", fear not. The strategy is simple.

Remember how we keep telling you to "fake it till you make it"? This is where you do that. Feign abundance, specifically.

Whenever a bitch starts being more trouble than she's worth, imagine you have another, hotter bitch waiting at home naked on your bed. Then, do what you would hypothetically do under those circumstances - that is, act bored and indifferent about her bullshit.

Repeated enough times, bored indifference with women's incessant need for drama will produce the correct DGAF behaviours in you. Women won't be able to resist it.

[–]SteelSharpensSteel 35 points36 points  (1 child)

For every imaginary hotter bitch waiting at home naked on your bed, there is a guy out there who is sick of her shit.

[–]ApexmanRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"For every imaginary hotter bitch waiting at home naked on your bed, there is a guy out there who is sick of her shit."

Yeah, because he doesn't have an abundance mentality and so it putting up with it instead of correcting or nexting her.

[–]Rares5555 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. Feigning abundance.

If at some point I’m not spinning plates and I’m in a relationship, I act as if I always have something on the side.

For instance, if my girlfriend throws a fit of anything at me, I calmly leave her place, just like I’d go bang a side chick.

Works like a charm

[–]The_Real_Cannaman 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Just about to say its pure catch22

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 24 points25 points  (3 children)

It only seems that way until you get your first few tastes of success.

It takes patience to feign abundance when you don't actually have it yet, and this is where most newbies get discouraged and drop out, returning to their bad (but familiar) habits.

[–]The_Real_Cannaman 16 points17 points  (2 children)

So the begining is the hardest... Just like everything else in life.

[–]Bonersaucey 11 points12 points  (1 child)

you shouldnt complain about that, use it as motivation knowing that it only ever gets easier once you start

[–]zestytacoz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, it would be worse if it got harder after you start

[–]Ihatemoi 1 point2 points  (2 children)

But like... how do you even start talking to girls if you have no topics of conversation with strangers? The first time I ever cold approached a girl was at the gym. I did not know what to say but I went up and said something casual, but I stuttered and that was the end of it. I just did not do it again.

How do you approach if you dont feel attractive enough? how? how did you ever give that first step?

[–]Immune2DNP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've improved my life in many ways, but cold approaching is still something I struggle with from time to time. You just go up and say anything, its a conversation with a girl not a mathematician-make it an emotionally charged one with humor and some raunchy humor (that's what I do). Whatever you end up saying, make it congruent to your personality.

If you wait until you "feel" attractive enough, you will never approach. It's just fun man, not that serious, worst she does is say no and you move on. Who cares?

[–]FerrusMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like anything else in life, practice, practice, practice.

Ever play a new sport, try a new hobby out? At first it's awkward, you are unsure of yourself. Given enough time and practice, it gets a lot easier and you are more confident.

It's amazing how lucky you can be when you work hard at something.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 54 points55 points  (5 children)

When you have plenty of something, it is always easy to get more.

The most obvious example of this is money. Try to get a loan when you're unemployed and broke. Now try to get a loan with a six-figure job, a million in the bank, and several apartment buildings in your name.

Examples more apropos to this submission:

  • Abundance mentality is easy to have when you already have abundance. When you're spinning 10 plates, losing one of them won't seem like such a big deal. This also applies to oneitis: the easiest way out of oneitis is to get twoitis, then threeitis, etc.
  • Outcome independence is easy when you've had plenty of good outcomes and are guaranteed more. E.g. sometimes a girl will cancel a date with me and I'll be grateful because I'll have some time to get in a solid workout, wind down at home, and maybe catch up on some news and emails. Sounds boring? It's fantastic after you've met up with a different girl for each of the last 5 consecutive nights.
  • Amused mastery is easy when you're a master already. My favorite example of amused mastery is Muhammad Ali boxing some kid. Now imagine applying this socially; the movie Swingers nailed this with their bear/bunny analogy. This goes along with confidence; it is easy to have confidence when you've got plenty to be confident about (i.e. mastery).
  • Fearlessness is easy when you've already put yourself in plenty of fearful situations and found out that there is not much there to fear. I've a friend who is slightly pudgy, a terrible dresser, and has a face that only a mother could love...and yet I've never met anyone so fearless at approaching. He'll walk up and chat up any girl or group of girls no matter how attractive they are and he'll often get them interested in going somewhere with him/us. He does get shot down quite often but it doesn't faze him. No one has internalized the "sticks and stones" rhyme more than he has.

The point of all this is that you're not going to just flip a switch and get to Level 99 DGAF. You need to get through Level 1 first. You'll have to work at all of the above to build yourself into a man that has abundance, mastery, fearlessness, and a million in the bank. We're here to point you in the right direction and show you a desirable goal state but you have to take the first step on that thousand-mile journey.

[–]the_real_lunch_box 6 points7 points  (0 children)

beigephillip have spoken about this many times on his podcast before. Once you have many plates lined up, your game becomes natural, the abundance mentality takes effect and you gain lvl 99 IDGAF naturally. The trick is to get this without plates that are hard. Fake it till you make it. Believe is and you shall become. you have to think to lose your only plate is no big deal, and as a thirty guy this is hard very hard, but you have to drop them even if it is your only plate.

[–]Ihatemoi 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What is the first step to take for someone who has never talked to strangers, never starts a conversation and never know what to say?

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Find a mentor and practice.

[–]Ihatemoi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish, I dont have a mentor. Or personally know anyone who is like this.

[–]MindFuktd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pull out your phone, and start CALLING people to catch up. Not texting. It's a habit of talking to people all the time. Get out to activities and events you are interested in and just chat up other like minded people. That will get the ball rolling for you.

[–]Sqtlol 53 points54 points  (8 children)

The amount of self-masturbatory confidence that only Uncle Vasya can pull off. I actually had a good laugh reading your analogies. Thanks for that.

On topic: fair points. Fall down seven times, stand up eight. It’s a numbers game, and like any other thing in life: you gotta practice.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 47 points48 points  (5 children)

I actually had a good laugh reading your analogies. Thanks for that.

While a lot of my stuff is just "gonzo" writing (Hat Tip: Hunter S. Thompson), in the distant past, I was a teacher, and some students need to hear the same stuff presented in 2-3-4 ways and then you hit something that they can relate to and "Bing!" the light bulb lights up over their heads.

[–]NormalAndy 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Aha! A teacher. Nothing like standing up in front of 200 students, giving lectures to give you a sense of confidence, controlling a class of unruly teens, quickly gaining 1-1 rapport with an adult student. Teaching did a lot more for my social skills than software engineering ever did! Lol.

Still, most who stay in the teaching game too long seem to get tired out and jaded. I suspect you have better things to do these days.

I would recommend a year or so working in schools to anyone. Especially a year teaching student nurses in Brazil.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I've also done stand up, which gets you over the hump post haste...often faster than you might be ready for.

I suspect you have better things to do these days.

More lucrative, anyway.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What type of work do you do?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm a lawyer at a trading firm. I also front my own band.

[–]BostonPillParty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love your shit, the cocaine comment had me rolling.

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    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    One thing younger guys need to learn is that women seduce themselves. Get them talking abt their fantasies and then give the Hamster cocaine. Make them feel how they want to feel and the pussy will purr for you.

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    [–]IanFleming92 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    I believe that your mission should come first. However, if you are bored or want to bang a chick, do something about it. Don't wait for them to come to you. If you want a girl, go get one. If you fail, work on it. I don't like the mentality of letting them come to you.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Even men like Russell Brand who have slept with hundreds or thousands of women look back fondly on the time spent but he has even admitted that it has corrupted his viewpoint on certain things and distracted him at times, as he put that lifestyle before everything else.

    Brand is (a) bluepill, and (b) a heroin addict. Anything he says must be viewed in that context.

    [–]AlphaPeacock 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I regret I have but one like to give. I have a friend that needs this information more than he needs to breath. Sadly he isn't ready yet.

    [–]OC-sexwax-CO 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Uncle V! May your works be canonized in the great omnibus of TRP until the good lord returneth and each man’s cup runneth over with juice of the pussy. Addendum: the last two hyperlinks both link to Papa Sean slappin dat retro ass. Wasn’t sure if that was done intentionally.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Addendum: the last two hyperlinks both link to Papa Sean slappin dat retro ass. Wasn’t sure if that was done intentionally.

    I have them (the two that are "stacked") going to different links. Try again and see if you didn't click one by mistake thinking it was the other.

    [–]TRPanalyst 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Level 99 obviously from RuneScape, aside from that, great post :)

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    I have no idea what "RuneScape" is. I'm assuming some sort of video game, and I just never got into video games (NTTAWWT).

    [–]TRPanalyst 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Haha it was a great game when I was younger! Too unplugged to play now!

    [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    I'm going to tease you til you beg me to fuck you. Then fuck you til you beg me to stop

    Escalate early with boldness

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    "...or you pass out, whichever comes first."

    Cocaine. Give the Hamster cocaine....metaphorically-speaking.

    [–]BloodSurgery 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Another of your post saved and bookmarked, thanks!

    [–]Luckyluke23 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    what i like most about this is.

    She's 22, I'm 50.

    age is no barrier. i'm 28 right now and i'm LOOKING FORWARD to my 30's i mean... "i keep getting older these girls stay the same age".

    plus it means every day going forward I'm more woke than I was yesterday.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    You are approaching Prime Time. That said, as an older guy, you are going to draw greater interest, but from a smaller pool of girls. Read my guide abt it. The Bloopers will often try to reframe shit about how we think that “average” 50+ age guys, balding and with beer guts can totally nail any sorority girl he wants.

    That isn’t our argument.

    An older man who keeps himself in decent shape, makes himself exceptional and knows how to read the signs will be able to date younger women. They aren’t all goin to be 19 y.o. Dimepieces, but so it goes. ANY divergence from their Accepted Narrative is a threat that must be destroyed, etc.

    [–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    i can't nail anything now... so a 19 year old at 50 is nice

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Then you should start working on “now”. There’s nothing magic that happens to you at 50 that makes you more attractive to 19-year-old girls. You have to make it happen.

    [–]TheLanternFlame 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Yep, did went to a speed dating yesterday in hopes to improve on my approach with the hopes of getting rejected instead of getting them...and I failed, cuz at my sixteenth girl, she went full easy mode, got her number, agreed on a date. Then I said, fuck my lines, I need to get rejected more, and went on to approach some girls, but 16th girl wasn't giving me a hard time, following me like a shadow. I just dgaf about me getting any girls and this happens.

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    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Not all of my writing is for repeat customers. Also, you are free to generate your own, original content in any way you see fit.

    [–]yesbuthereswhy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Outcome independence is one of the many tools we need. As a married man I am starting to see just how much better my life is getting the more I focus on myself and not my marriage. I used to think that the key to a good marriage was being a good beta boy by taking care of things that were outside of my control. Lifting, being sociable, dressing well and handling your shit are all ways of increasing your outcome independence.

    [–]splintyeastwood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    god damn vasya you’re like the AvE of fucking bitches. tell me: how many eggs do you need to eat a day to maximize confidence-piss output in the morning?

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I wanna be where you are and then get even better.

    [–]cars_and_computers 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Should approaching be done before or after you lower your BMI. I approached for a bit and I understand I should be outcome independent but I'm not there yet so I went I to monk mode for the time being

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    There's no set rule for it, but put yourself first, and work on YOU. You can approach no matter what your BMI, but in general, you will do better with better "looks". That said, some women prefer a "bigger" man. Nobody would look me and think "There goes a Chad", but I'm a big, thickly set guy (still a ten inch drop in a suit, tho', so not a fattie), and I can advise that there are women who dig that (taller women, submissive women). One of my girls describes me as a "beast" which she means in a complimentary way.

    So do what feels right for you.

    [–]jonpe87 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    There is one simple step to not be afraid of nothing, confidence and live a wonderful life. It is that:

    Tomorrow you will be dead.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    ”With the end of the fear of death begins the death of fear.”

    -From, The Sayings of Chairman Zaitzev

    [–]jihocech 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Great post, thanks. Did you develeop all those skills by yourself, or did you have a mentor?

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I didn’t have a specific mentor - and when I was growing up there wasn’t anything akin to TRP, or the internet for that matter - but everyone has people who help them along the way.

    [–]FerrusMan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    "She just needs to learn that I really am a nice guy, I just need to prove myself, that I'm not like all the other jerks out there. She's never dated a decent guy like me so it's no wonder that she's a little hesitant"

    Sadly, I actually thought that way back before being unplugged. Oh, to be able to go back in time and slap myself with some red pill knowledge.

    I don't think women loathe white knights, more like useful idiots.

    Great post btw

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Great post btw

    Thanks.

    I don't think women loathe white knights, more like useful idiots.

    Depends on how "aware" the girl is, and whether shes a "user" or not. In the example I cited, my girl wanted NO PART of the White Knight's "help".

    [–]FerrusMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That's true it does depend on their awareness level.

    [–]MindFuktd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    When I grow up, I want to be just like Uncle Vasiliy!

    [–]prodigy2throw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    “I got you what makes you think I can’t get another you”- me in a rap song I made up in my head

    [–]OC-sexwax-CO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Ahh, it works. Big thumb, small screen. Apple doesn’t have my kind in mind.

    [–]SensualSeduction01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If u don’t mind sharing, what are the couple of things ur exceptional at?

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    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    One bad neg isn't going to put you in jail. Doing dumb shit like dry humping drunk girls - yes I'm looking at you Brock Turner - is going to put you in jail.

    What you need to do is determine if a girl is giving you buy signals or not, and don't waste time on girls who aren't into you. The "Fuck YEAH!" girl is not going to pull dumb shit. Also, if you are dealing with a BPD chick, GTFO.

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      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Another one cut a friendship between me and a good buddy from redpill

      Then he wasn't red pill.

      I learned to stay away from unattractive chicks and career bitches.

      Exactly. The Hamster cannot bear rejection, and thus it doesn't make sense to game unattractive women.

      [–]TheFlyingPro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Damn. This post is an artwork!

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

      Very good post, like the rest of yours. I have one comment to make though: while I agree that "nice guys" are disgusting cowards, most of the time they are manipulated by women to be. It's women deliberately keeping them in their friendzone giving them false hopes because they enjoy the attention, the favors and the emotional support. It's like getting commitment from them without offering sex in return. It's the exact opposite of a LTR-thirsty girl being a plate but not offered commitment in return. Of course, one should feel no sympathy for nice guys; it's their duty not to buy women's manipulation shit and man up instead, like it's a girl's duty not to give in so easily if she really doesn't want to be a plate.

      I also have an off-topic question: how did you come up with your nickname? You glorify the capitalist way of life and at the same time you use the name of a Soviet hero. Is it just a reference to being a "sniper" targeting girls?

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      while I agree that "nice guys" are disgusting cowards, most of the time they are manipulated by women to be.

      I have no sympathy for them. They allow themselves to be manipulated, and if you ever try to get them to open their eyes, they wind up sounding like 'West' in this piece.

      how did you come up with your nickname? You glorify the capitalist way of life and at the same time you use the name of a Soviet hero. Is it just a reference to being a "sniper" targeting girls?

      Don't read too much into it. I'm part-Slav and my usual nicknames were gone when I arrived at Reddit. "Uncle Vasya" is just one of my faces on the interwebs.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      ...sounding like 'West' in this piece.

      Damn. A painful yet very insightful piece to read.

      [–]gbdoragnic 2 points3 points  (5 children)

      Nice guys are using a women mating strategy , it's reinforced by society

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      Can't they see it doesn't work at all though?

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Hope is a powerful drug. Plus they get messages from the media reinforcing dumb ideas. A former gf had an orbiter who actually said ”But I did all that movie shit.”

      Pro Tip: Standing outside of someone’s house with a boom box over your head is far more likely to result in a restraining order than anything else.

      [–]gbdoragnic 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      It does work, from time to time, and they get married at 30, eventually you will find a girl so desperate and tired of getting fucked sideways by chad, brad and father tom.

      If it doesn't work guy usually end up with PUA or here, and become chad

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It does work, from time to time, and they get married at 30, eventually you will find a girl so desperate and tired of getting fucked sideways by chad, brad and father tom.

      In other words, betabuxing.