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MetaThe Red Pill Right (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Modredpillschool

Last night Milo Yiannopoulos appeared on Fox News to discuss the riots at Berkeley, and Tucker Carlson introduced him as the "gay jew" that's becoming the face of "the red pill right."

It occured to me that many who visit the red pill have had continued epiphanies in their lives outside of the ones we discuss here about sexual strategy.

Now, don't get me wrong, I believe everything in the world boils down to sexual strategy- it's no coincidence that the insult of choice on /r/the_donald is "cuck"- but that doesn't mean understanding sexual strategy and the red pill will be the last time you have an epiphany that makes you take a retrospective look at your life and realize that nothing was what it seemed.

The Red Pill has entered our culture's vernacular and is used unironically to reference pulling back the curtain on any philosophy and discover the secret inner workings.

And I'm proud to have been a part of that movement, even though we focused specifically on sexual strategy and will continue to do so.

Something struck me about the phrase "the red pill right," and it's been on my mind since I heard it. There's a lot of agreement and disagreement between different schools of thought in politics, and often one can't really be determined to be right or wrong, only different. There are competing schools of economic thought, different ways to try to accomplish similar goals, and almost an infinite variables that are close to impossible to really know or track keeping us from having any objective answers.

But that doesn't mean there isn't something to know about politics. Just like sexual strategy, even though we do not have the full picture of evolution, and we can't possibly know everybody's thoughts and feelings, we do know that we can make descriptive theories about how people operate, and test our hypotheses against future happenings to determine if we were anywhere close.

That brings me to something that I think I've been lacking in my life during the USA election cycle this past year. The Red Pill has been instrumental in helping myself and others find sanity in the world of sex and women, but there is no such guiding light for me in politics.

I admit, /r/the_donald is fascinating and entertaining. But it serves as little more than rage porn and memes. The conversation actually stops itself from getting too deep. A few conjectures land at the top of every post, but nothing is really said about the underlying theory of what is happening today.

I don't think it's a mistake that Milo wanted to be introduced as the face of the "red pill right" because he knew the term alt-right was being used to try to tie this new brand of republicans to white supremacy and other unsavory things.

Undoubtedly, he uses the term because it's fitting, but also because it helps to ride off the success of our name. It's not uncommon, attempted to co-opt our language and mission and then tailor it to their own needs and purposes. Look no further than The Red Pill Movie- made by a feminist, and has nothing to do with us!

But the truth is, there is a new conservative movement happening, and it's been happening for a while. And it's got a lot of overlap with the subscribers here on TRP.

It's a bit more libertarian leaning than the traditional Republican party, as it's very socially liberal (pro-to-each-his-own, but with a bent on strict liability rather than social safety nets). But it remains conservative in places that I believe make sense to do so (protect borders, our tribe above others, govt. spend responsibly, don't take my money, etc).

TRP has always talked about tribalism, about safety and security in our culture, and about the values that really matter when you strip away the thin facade of "safety" Western cultures think that they have.

Physical strength leads to security, assimilation lends itself to tribalism. Jack Donovan writes extensively about these things. And they all lead us back to the number one point we have on TRP: Everything is about sex. Our behaviors are governed by evolution.

That is why I am announcing today, a brother sub for /r/theredpill as well as /r/the_donald.

/r/theRedPillRight

My focus with this new sub is to keep us from diluting the discussion of sexual strategy on our main sub, but give us a fresh place to discuss politics with a serious tone rather than the memes and rage porn of /r/the_donald. (I'm not shitting on the_donald, I do enjoy the sub.)

I want us to discuss these social trends and why they are taking place.

  • Why is the media colluding to write the narrative they do today?
  • What are the possible motivations and goals of different political belief systems?
  • Is globalism a viable strategy?
  • Why is nationalism (or tribalism) preferred by some but not others?
  • In what ways are we wrong?
  • In what ways are we right?
  • How do we define "fake news?"
  • Is fake news a symptom of click-bait?

I hope you'll join me to discuss politics from a red pill standpoint, with our traditional style of high-effort, no memes, quality commenting on our new subreddit: /r/theRedPillRight


[–]1edwardhwhite 588 points589 points  (109 children)

Thank god. I come here for sexual strategy, not politics.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 182 points183 points  (67 children)

I wanted to make sure we did not veer off course here on /r/theredpill. So, I'm glad we've dedicated a different sub to it. We've been removing a lot of political posts recently, and I think this proves that there's demand for the discussion.

[–]1lurkingtacopiller 78 points79 points  (34 children)

This was a good move for a variety of reasons. So much of what is happening politically can be discussed through the red pill lens, but I agree that I didn't want to see any of that shit in here.

RPS ahead of the game.

[–]Marcus1138 22 points23 points  (33 children)

Very true. And I think a lot of Donald supporters were slinging around the term Red Pill and thinking that that meant they were Red Pill in sexual strategy too, when they were actually still BP. Being conservative does not equate to being sexually RP, and I'm glad a new subreddit's been made to help make this difference clear.

[–]1nzgs 15 points16 points  (26 children)

Being conservative does not mean being redpilled. But being redpilled does infer leaning to the political right. We should probably have a dark-red-pill section for discussing truths too uncomfortable even for TRP readers.

[–]Mr_Andry 53 points54 points  (25 children)

As a left leaning red puller, I find it horribly frustrating to see so much political nonsense tied in with the Red Pill crowd. So much of what we talk about here is based around evolutionary biology, yet the bulk of people here align with the party that denies evolution and science in general.

No, the reason quite simply is that RP truths are easier to swallow if you were raised in an area that valued traditional gender roles. That means conservative, here in the US.

I think left leaners like myself have to overcome a little more "strict equality" mindset, which is why we're a bit more rare.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I see things the same way. Being redpill correlates with conservatism, but can exist entirely without any political leanings whatsoever, and as you pointed out, the evolutionary aspects of sexual strategy exist in the science believing "left". That said, to boil down political thought into "left" and "right" is far too simplistic. I have values that exist on the far left, the far right and in the middle. Doesn't make me "political red pill", doesn't make me a "cuck", doesn't make me anything besides an intelligent person that's able to develop his own nuanced opinions and think for himself rather than accept a blanket of philosophical and policy positions dictated to me from someone more powerful and/or more intelligent than me.

[–]1nzgs 24 points25 points  (18 children)

That is ignorant nonsense. You're identifying the entire conservative/libertarian/ancap political spectrum with fringe American GOP views. Here in Britain you will struggle to find conservatives who deny evolution. In fact the main culprits of science-denial these days are the leftists who make excuses for the various government departments caught rigging their global warming data, or who make up bullshit about gender fluidity or the biology of a late-term fetus.

I will reiterate more strongly, there is no such thing as a left-leaning red pilled person. You are not red pilled. The very core tenets of TRP, about markets, competition, winners and losers, herd s vs individuals... it's all completely incompatible with leftist world views.

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l 21 points22 points  (10 children)

I will reiterate more strongly, there is no such thing as a left-leaning red pilled person

Why... of course there is! :)

Or, if you prefer something more classic, try Esther Vilar's The Manipulated Man, from the sidebar. She is openly Marxist.

The very core tenets of TRP, about markets, competition, winners and losers, herd s vs individuals... it's all completely incompatible with leftist world views.

These are the core tenets of a right-wing view. TRP is open to all ideas that enhance men's position in society and the sexual market. True, left-wingers have yet to embrace it, and I hope that by moving the more right-wing-centered debate elsewhere (the discussion that has taken place here about the immigrants being a prime example), this will come to gradually change.

The problem with the Left is that what is a truly anti-systemic Left has been reduced to molecules, while most of it has been coopted - and Feminism is a major vehicle with which the system has expropriated the Left. The disappearance of an antisystemic Left is a big part of the reason why the world is diving head-long into a lot of shit, lately.

[–]I_dont_understandit 6 points7 points  (9 children)

I'm a liberal guy myself, in that I support socialized medicine, public education, and environmental protections. But I also think most modern feminists are full of shit, and I think Red Pill makes some great points about evolutionary biology.

It's really frustrating that neither the left nor the right seem interested even letting people like me participate in their discussions.

[–]ChromeJester 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I agree 1000% I think TRP is more than just being liberal or conservative it's about creating the best life for ourselves and taking back control over the world around us. I too am a liberal guy who agrees with you on all of those issues but I feel like I could have a discussion with 95% of the people on the subReddit and find a lot of overlap in our political views. In reality there is a ton of gray area in life and politics is just a part of life. The beautiful thing about TRP movement is that it transcends politics, nationality, and race, helping all men create the best possible lives for themselves because there is a ton of quality content for every situation.

[–]I_dont_understandit 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I will reiterate more strongly, there is no such thing as a left-leaning red pilled person. You are not red pilled.

Perfect example of the "no true scotsman" fallacy. http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/

[–]ThaRPTA 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It's easier to understand why you'd have a left-leaning mindset if you see the family as the core unit of society, rather than the individual. There may be hypergamic relationships between the sexes, but that doesn't mean we're OK with rigging society to pull unequal benefits in the direction of socially powerful men. We might want people to reap just rewards, not simply attainable rewards.

[–]Troll_Name 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Donald Trump rode to victory on a wave of many different peoples who were aware of (and resentful towards) the status quo of sexuality.

95% of today's chronic virgins would have been happily married 500 years ago. Someday a new equilibrium will emerge, one which favors the winners of today.

(Obligatory Orwell quote, no guarantee of precise accuracy)

But there will always be the intoxication of power, the thrill of victory, the trampling of an opponent who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, just imagine a boot stomping on a man's face forever.

Today's young are victory-minded, after the prologue of their life was seeing the total defeat of their elders. Today's 30-somethings were raised on a force-fed diet of abandoning all hope - they're the ground zero of recovering patients.

[–]theredpillager 41 points42 points  (20 children)

To reiterate ed's comment and a few of the child comments below, this could not have come at a better time. I had been noticing the co-opting of our language throughout some other subreddits and subcultures, particularly t_d, and it somewhat bothered me. Mostly for the reasons you delve into. The red pill for me is about the reality between men, women and sexuality (and all areas where those things manifest themselves in our daily lives). I voted for the D, but I swear allegiance to no party. With better options, I would not have voted for him. He was literally the only viable candidate, which is saying something since he has no political experience at all.

Anyway, that's another story. I am mostly glad to see this because I ventured into the altright sub the other day (apparently it has since been banned??) and I have to say, it was incredibly racist and vile, and I was extremely distraught to see they had co-opted our terminology as well. Everyone was said to be "being redpilled" and "woke", as these commenters praised Nazis as heros.

TRP has a lot of ethnic members. I love that about this place. Because, while we won't shy away from discussing differences between races, advantages/disadvantages/realities, we are all men, and we all have to navigate the feminized world we were born into. When I saw our language getting used for this purely racist garbage, it made me fear our community would become diluted, as those of color were likely to see the association, unwanted or not, and never give the place a chance, or worse, leave if they were already here. I do not need to find myself in yet another echo chamber. I value the diversity of thought here.

I think this new sub is a great way to separate the two. But I have my hesitations. It's billed as a place to discuss politics with a red pill slant, but it's called RedPillRight, so doesn't the very name work to drown out potential views from other perspectives? I am not a right winger. Nor am I a democrat. I'm an independent, like upwards of 40% of the population. The majority, ya know. So, if it's truly a place to discuss politics from a TRP angle, that's great, but it could have done with a more neutral name. It has a ring to it, but the right definitely doesn't apply for all of us. Hopefully the connotation with the altright, or right wing more generally, doesn't scare off those with dissenting views. Really glad to see this happen in any case.

[–]Snazzy_Serval 43 points44 points  (7 children)

As somebody who hates just about everything about the right I absolutely cannot stand TRP's political leanings.

I'm glad that this should be an end or at least minimize the political talk on TRP and instead can focus on what the majority of us signed up for. To get more pussy.

Yes the name "RedPillRight" screams of bias and it's something I wouldn't want to be associated with.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

I appreciate your view on this, and I'm glad that we can at least clear the sub for you to get back to the red pill. That said, I'm curious if maybe there isn't something you can either learn from the new sub, or maybe teach us if you think we're wrong?

[–]Snazzy_Serval 18 points19 points  (3 children)

I'm starting to realize that engaging in political discussions doesn't provide me any benefit. I receive no joy in educating others and it merely becomes nothing more than a waste of my time. That time and energy is much better suited to working on myself. To me politics is a distraction and one that has become more prevalent with the election of Trump. It was becoming frustrating reading TRP and becoming drawn into that.

[–]1Original_Dankster 14 points15 points  (1 child)

educating others

Try talking less and listening more. Perhaps you're the one in need of education.

[–]Troll_Name 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Every single political screamer thinks they're saving the world.

That's part of why it's good to have a new subredpill.

[–]InflatableRaft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm starting to realize that engaging in political discussions doesn't provide me any benefit. I receive no joy in educating others and it merely becomes nothing more than a waste of my time. That time and energy is much better suited to working on myself.

Most discussions in general are a waste of time, discussions on online forums particularly so. It's entertainment at best.

[–]Kalepsis 15 points16 points  (6 children)

I was thinking something similar. I have a suspicion that Carlson used the phrase "the Red Pill Rght" as a sly way to demonize us by subtly associating TRP with the alt-right, which, in my opinion, is the new Nazi party. I don't want to be associated with either of those things.

[–]Schhwing 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To paraphrase Louie CK "racism is just a mistake, sexism (meaning male female dynamic frustration) is way down deep inside, and will never go away". Funny and true.

[–]6ix_ 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Excellent move. I personally appreciate it.

[–]8n0n 6 points7 points  (4 children)

With the quality of moderation set by the standard of this main sub, that sub will outshine politics even when it was at its best.

I think you may underestimate just how much of a vacuum your filling on Reddit with that new sub, RPS. Plus it naturally allowing links/discussion of material from this sub will also bring more exposure of TRP, brilliant.

Read this post at own risk and presume this has been modified by Reddit Inc

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We will moderate with the same iron fist we moderate here. Thanks for your vote of confidence!

[–]Zenonlite 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I feel the same way. Sometimes, I couldn't discern whether a post was from TRP or the_donald.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

My political view is I don't give a shit.

Someone always makes money off of any political move. Fuck it. Might as well be me.

I made a ton of money the past couple years helping companies deal with the bullshit ACA regulations. Thanks obama!

Actually hilarious to know it will be repealed.

There will always be some new dumb shit. Why fight it? I'll just join the winning team.

[–]1edwardhwhite 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am fighting it because I need it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a pretty intelligent response. Keep your head down and focus on yourself and your work. That will have far greater impact on your life than who is president

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I don't see nearly enough reports of shitty behaviour.

The bitching is my biggest pet peeve. removing questions, shitty off topic content, and children lashing out is a part time job, if 10% of the complaints were reports, that would clean up the frontpage in an instant.

Typical of the newly unplugged, think this is a value factory, and they can leech. ya gotta take care of your space, becuase it ultimately does belong to the users

[–]1edwardhwhite 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I DESPERATELY NEED HELP WITH THIS ONE GIRL! RIGHT AWAY!

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

So she didn't text me back and also blocked my number... what should I do??

[–]juliusstreicher 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Hey, man,

Just be your self!

[–]TheReformist94 5 points6 points  (0 children)

before the creation of the redpillright sub, it was not possible for the sub to not be diluted by politics. to ban the discussion of veering off the topic of sexual strategy was pointless as The Red Pill, at base is Sexual Economics, probably, most closely, Austrian Sexual Economics.

Feminism is merely one of the tentacles of cultural marxism, which is ravaging western society, and a great obstacle to men who do not know how to use feminism to their advantage.

For those who frequent this sub, i strongly recommend the NEOREACTIONARY movement.

[–]Troll_Name 6 points7 points  (18 children)

"You say you don't have an interest in politics, but what do you say about politics having an interest in you?"

The fight was taken to us, from the moment we were born.

When we tried to walk away from it, the fight followed us.

We tried to run, we tried to hide, we tried to negotiate, we tried to deter, we tried to resolve, we tried let the other side have their way in hopes of them finding satisfaction. We have exhausted all peaceful options.

What's left is to either stand up and go down in history as Big Meanies, or lay down and be tortured until our meat is packaged on store shelves.

[–]1edwardhwhite 23 points24 points  (16 children)

Trump's a fool.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I won't censor anybody from saying so, but I prefer a reasoned argument. You've got +1 points from our ECs so I'm hoping you've got more to say.

[–]DBerwick 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I won't censor anybody from saying so, but I prefer a reasoned argument.

You have no idea how much I appreciate this. I'm not a subscriber here; I usually bounce from sub to sub (often following comment links), bringing both agreement and disagreement wherever I go. The notion of safe spaces (in my opinion) is becoming increasingly common, and more and more I find myself banned for having an opinion that offends the community I'm in.

No room to grow, no mutual learning (I never presume I'm "educating" someone; I like to think of myself as socratic), no insightful (though usually inciteful) discussion.

Cards on the table -- I'm politically left and don't regard TRP's methods very highly. But I can't deny that I've been banned from more subs I generally agree with than right-learning ones like this sub. Which I've got a lot of respect for.

Why the life story? I hope it means a little more coming from someone who would generally disagree with you, to hear that you still have good moderation policies. Echo chambers are where personal growth goes to die. Keep up the good work.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

TRP is a tool box. It's the user that decides how to use it. Women like winners, good physique, confidence, competence and leaders. How you become those things is completely up to you. If you have only read posts and comments, you don't really know what TRP is. The sidebar is the core of TRP. It's very tough to "agree" with at first because it goes against anything and everything you've learned about women and sexual attraction. It's tough for a lot of people to swallow that they are not a special snowflake and hard work and good habits are required to become succesfull.

[–]1FunAndFreedom 5 points6 points  (6 children)

You have a bit of an uphill battle with this argument. Billionaire, model wife, won a presidential race against all odds. You can dislike the guy or disagree with his politics, but I don't know how you're making an argument he's a fool.

[–]1edwardhwhite 4 points5 points  (5 children)

He's making it for me. Check today's paper.

[–]1FunAndFreedom 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Are you talking to me or are you talking to yourself? Because I have no idea what you are referencing and it doesn't seem like you're putting any effort into your posts.

[–]1edwardhwhite 7 points8 points  (3 children)

He is in bed with the Russians. They hoped to get a quid pro quo out of him and helped him with Clinton. Multiple many sourced stories out there this very morning regarding Trump high level campaign staffers with extensive contacts with Russian intelligence personnel. He had to fire his National Security Advisor after 3 weeks! For telling the Russians to hold off on sanctions and lying about it.

[–]2435734098 7 points8 points  (2 children)

He had to fire his National Security Advisor after 3 weeks!

And the whole ordeal shed light in the 'shadow government' that has been operating for who knows how many years, took the issue from 'tinfoil hat' territory to being all over MSM. Now it's much easier for him to fight them and remove them. You could argue that Flynn was used as a pawn to achieve this from the start and he's already being replaced. Flynn did achieve something.

He is in bed with the Russians.

There hasn't been conclusive proof of that other than MSM bullshit and hit pieces.

[–]1edwardhwhite 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Shadow government my ass. The guy lied. He got fired. What are you saying? Geeze if that shadow government did not exist then nobody would have known that the NSA designate illegally freelanced about it then lied about to the VP and the FBI?

Is your argument that if it wasn't for the alleged shadow state that these people would be allowed to break the law?

There is no shadow state. Shit leaks. You must be like Trump--the leaks are true but the story is false. How can the information be classified yet also false?

[–]Flaming_DragonMan 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Yeah, he's a fool who's a multi millionaire and President of the United States and who, as far as I can tell, is holding true to his campaign promises. Keep swallowing some of those media blue pills my friend.

[–]1edwardhwhite 11 points12 points  (1 child)

He's blue pill. Whines like a baby, has zero frame. Has temper tantrums. Real men like Hayward, Navy SEAL, do not want to work with him.

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    [–]Politikon 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    Hey, it was good about 4-5 years ago when this sub was new and fresh and everyone, regardless of race or political leaning, could work together in harmony to absorb the sub's teachings and get mountains of pussy. But that time has clearly passed. The sub has grown too large, and has succumbed to group think and hubris just like the feminists. I just feel bad for the new subs that aren't partisan hacks. They probably think we are all die-hard right-wingers that get a hard on for dank Trump memes. Take what you learned from here and move on, is what I would suggest. Maybe pass the knowledge on to someone in the future. Except don't call your insights the now passe term 'red pill', and don't direct them to this now cesspool of a sub.

    [–]Alesayr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Without looking very very carefully this sub looks just about as far-right as can be. Now, that perception is perhaps not quite true in reality, there's a bit more diversity here than appears at first glance but the less alt-righty folks can be drowned out a bit.

    [–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (2 children)

     

    Technical / Procedural Message

     

    At this exact moment in time the new sub is not yet added to the "official" Red Pill subreddits list. (sidebar)

    Moderators could you please correct this technical issue.

    (I'm not sure who is responsible for the techie stuff)

     

    [–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    On it. Just need a moment to update them all.

    [–]Kalepsis 67 points68 points  (11 children)

    I, for one, really do not identify with conservatives, modern Republicans, and especially not Trump (who acts more like a spoiled woman than any man I've ever seen; who also signed executive orders today that get rid of the requirement of a fiduciary to act in the best interest of the client instead of himself, which means they're legally allowed to steal your retirement money, and to get rid of Dodd-Frank so his fucktastically rich friends on Wall Street can steal all of our other money and crash the economy again. So conservative and populist, right?). If anything, I lean more toward Red Pill Left. Which is not an oxymoron, despite what some here may think. Progressivism and TRP are not mutually exclusive.

    The point is, my political views have nothing to do with my enjoyment of this community, and neither do anyone else's. If I want to read about reddit's politics, I'll go to /r/politics. I come here for sexual strategy. So thanks, OP.

    [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (5 children)

    lol progressivism and TRP is absolutely oil and water.

    [–]RedsideoftheMoon 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    I'd have to disagree, because the red pill fundamentally sees women in a sexually progressive way. There's a reason "traditional conservative" is a thing. The red pill may see men "traditionally," but it does not see women traditionally in the sense that a good woman who has saved herself for a proper man bears his children and waits on him hand and foot (AWALT fundamentally disagrees that such behavior is basically a social contract that can be broken at any time)

    The red pill is simply realistic, and I f you think just because feminists identify as left then TRP has to identify as right, that's a logical fallacy. Just look at DiCaprio, many consider him to be a proper red pill role model, and he's pretty fucking leftist

    [–]I_AM_CALAMITY 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Tricking yourself into believing fiduciaries can now steal investments is blue pill political thought.

    get rid of Dodd-Frank so his fucktastically rich friends on Wall Street can steal all of our other money and crash the economy again.

    A red pill political thought would be that repealing Dodd-Frank would recreate the conditions to replicate the Great Recession. That was the raving of someone taking a massive dose of political blue pill. Political blue pill preys upon self-righteousness and tells you that those who oppose you are evil at the root, assigning motives that make NO sense.

    There are many Trump supporters who are blue pill, just as there are many men with girlfriends who are blue pill. I agree with the sentiment behind what you are saying.

    [–]I_dont_understandit 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    I feel the same way you do. Progressive towards government policy, but still think the Red Pill has a lot of insights about gender. I really wish people like us could get our own groups going. I think there are a lot of liberal men who are fed up with dealing with feminist bullshit, but still want medicare for all.

    [–]dropitmike 51 points52 points  (5 children)

    I just landed here trying to find out more about Milo amidst all the recent negative media attention. And honestly, after only a couple of his YouTube videos, he's already got my respect in his bag.

    [–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (4 children)

    Same, I looked for a neo Nazi and found a hilarious faggot who shits on myths.

    [–]hermit087 25 points26 points  (2 children)

    Fun fact: actual white nationalists hate Milo. "He is a gay Jew racemixer who is trying to co-opt our movement!"

    Watching the media and SJW's call him and Gavin Mcinnes "Nazi" really is incredible.

    [–]Troll_Name 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    "Actual white nationalists" are a strawman army who never come any closer than over-the-horizon.

    I've encountered an actual den of internet nazis once - next to nothing to do with traditional nazis. There were maybe a few dozen or even a few hundred of them, but then the mainstream media acts like these people are a greater stain on conservatism than 1500 years of international terrorism and slavery are a stain on Islam.

    [–]prodigy2throw 49 points50 points  (0 children)

    Thanks for stopping this sub from turning into the_donald 2.0

    [–]reecewagner 63 points64 points  (77 children)

    Maybe not the place to discuss it but here's one thing that confuses me about the "red pill right": when I think right-wing politics, I think conservatism, I think religion, I think archaic tradition-based morals. When I think TRP, I think of a much more realistic, pragmatic outlook on life than anything remotely religious could offer. Do these two viewpoints not regularly clash?

    [–]faded_jester 90 points91 points  (62 children)

    Cognitive dissonance is key to modern politics in the west.

    I mean the right is defined as "small government, fiscal responsibility, personal freedom, and praise Jesus!" and for the last few decades has done the exact opposite (they do give lots of lip service to the religious right but they themselves have no problem being the exact opposite of what Christianity is supposed to embody) and nobody seems to notice or give a fuck.

    The left isn't much better in their complete refusal to acknowledge that extreme political correctness is just as harmful as any other type of extremism.

    The red pill has a very tribal instinct to ignore everyone who doesn't play for the "right team", just like every other group of people.

    The Right = Greatness

    The Left = Cucks

    Very little room for any type of real discussion.

    In my personal opinion, playing cheerleader for a political team is just about the least red pill thing a man can do. If you make a decision without hearing both sides, you're a fucking fool.

    Edit: The responses all over this thread are perfect examples of cognitive dissonance. Argue a point, only give examples that you feel prove your right, omit anything that proves your wrong, ignore everything that contradicts your perception. 100% Cognitive Dissonance

    It doesn't make a you a piece of shit, it just makes you extremely easy to manipulate. There is a reason it's so easy to get people to vote against their own best interests. Get them to pick a team (easiest way is to champion an emotional but ultimately unimportant argument), demonize the other team and poof....all logic and reason go out the window.

    [–]g8TUNESbra 44 points45 points  (1 child)

    Personally, I think the Trumpeting is hurting the sub. Keep politics or of here.

    [–]TheRiseAndFall 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Social dynamics is politics. Even a small tribal society has politics. To ignore politics is like closing your eyes and going "lalalalala". We have to acknowledge that the political climite of our country doesneffect our lives, does effect our society, and does have sexual strategy.

    [–]reecewagner 29 points30 points  (59 children)

    Being non-religious, I would consider myself much more left-leaning than right, simply because I have no use for the kind of superstition-based morality that right-wing politics inevitably becomes muddied with. What about that makes me a cuck?

    [–]Modredpillschool[S] 23 points24 points  (32 children)

    I think the problem is that social liberals who are fiscally conservative could belong to either camp, really.

    [–]alphabeta49 14 points15 points  (30 children)

    Exactly. I am politically ultra-conservative but socially ultra-liberal. Those two things operate well together in the real world, and Trump's policies are damn close to epitomizing that blend.

    There needs to be either a major shift in one or both primary parties or a stronger third party. Big Rep vs. Big Dem (with a very quiet green or lib party) doesn't work anymore.

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 29 points30 points  (11 children)

    Social Liberals have a tendency to invite non-socialy liberal groups of people into their countries. Then demographic transition happens. Pretty soon rocks are being thrown at socialy liberal women by immigrant populations and welfare programs get expanded, because those are extremely popular amongst non-socialy liberal populations.

    Next thing you know everyone is voting along racial lines like in Brazil and your Socialy Liberal Fiscal Conservative side is losing because you are being out reproduced.

    [–]Modredpillschool[S] 13 points14 points  (10 children)

    You can be pro-gay, pro-personal freedoms, pro-choice, pro-drugs, and still not want immigrants that won't assimilate though.

    [–]faded_jester 14 points15 points  (12 children)

    Trump's policies are damn close to epitomizing that blend.

    Name one thing he's done that could be considered "ultra-liberal".

    [–]alphabeta49 11 points12 points  (11 children)

    Embracing the LGBTQ community is a start.

    Here's the thing, I don't believe the government should have social policies. So the fact that you don't think he has much socially liberal bent doesn't matter. He lives and lets live, and actually focuses on what the government should be doing, which is

    establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 13 points14 points  (6 children)

    Isn't it funny that we have to embrace them but they are as a whole vehemently against us?

    We're going to be trying to teach our sons the virtues of traditional masculinity and stoicism. Meanwhile they are dead set on promoting headonism sodomy and transvestites.

    Hate to break it to you but LGBTQ arnt live and live libertarians. They have a tendency to impose their values on people.

    [–]Modredpillschool[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    I don't personally care about LGBT. If they wanna do themselves in weird positions with a weird mix of genders and whatnot, so be it.

    I see no reason why it matters to me, nor do I see a reason it should be part of our discourse.

    [–]like_jinkies_man 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Curious about how you reconcile promoting the general welfare without social policies.

    [–]alphabeta49 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Those two things are different, the way I define them. Maybe you see them as synonymous.

    The govt needs to butt its nose OUT of issues like homosexuality. The government should concern itself with legal issues only, not moral ones.

    Concerning welfare... government assistance is fine, when limited. Everyone needs a leg up sometimes. But it should never be ok to make a career out of collecting welfare.

    Welfare=government assistance. Social policies=moral topics.

    [–]g8TUNESbra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It's all lip service, he's appointed a lot of socially conservative people who will do the opposite once in power. I also like how telling gay people they can keep their rights is somehow a super liberal thing to do and not just the right thing to do.

    [–]nunyabinness 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    I am politically ultra-conservative but socially ultra-liberal.

    Have you considered that you might be a libertarian?

    [–]Modredpillschool[S] 20 points21 points  (2 children)

    I think most here lean libertarian, but I will say that anybody who thinks the free market fixes absolutely everything, including things with limited supply or unlimited demand (for instance the radio spectrum, roads, or healthcare) without any regulation is drinking koolaid.

    [–]BareFistEmpiricist 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    The terms "left" and "right" make a pointless association between political concepts that are completely unrelated. There is no solid rational for bundling together such things as religiosity, fiscal prudence, government social intervention, etc. The terms "right" and "left" are confounding at best, and more often then not encourage lazy political thinking.

    [–]faded_jester 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Ask the people whose response are limited to phrases like "cuck" and "libtard".

    I lean left myself.

    I was speaking about those people, not for them.

    [–]hardly_incognito 7 points8 points  (22 children)

    superstition-based morality

    Care to elaborate? I'm only curious as to how strong borders, refusal of letting in Islamic immigrants, and eliminating the PC culture are superstition-based.

    Those are a few things that Milo represents, as well as many who are siding against the hard-left which has emerged here recently. Indeed some among us may be religious, but I personally am not. Also I do not see wrong in being religious in the slightest unless your religion seeks to take action and infringe upon my livelihood.

    [–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Honestly, I don't see why they need to. Part of TRP is that we're pragmatists. And while I'm not religious myself, I see the use of religion in culture and history.

    I'm not saying that everybody there would necessarily agree on points- for instance, the pro-life/pro-choice debate seems like one with no discernible ending, only differing opinions. But I think the discussion of it can still be had.

    [–]BrodinsOats 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    TRP is much more libertarian than neo-conservative, imo. And libertarian is actually "classical liberalism." Neo-liberalism just bastardized the term.

    Think of Ron & Rand Paul's stances... marriage should not be defined by the state, legalize all drugs, etc. These are not "tradition-based morals." The abortion debate gets a whole lot more nuanced, though.

    Unfortunately libertarianism is far too logical and abstract to ever compete with populism. It's realist pragmatism, but it takes some intelligence to understand.

    It's the same issue with the red vs blue pill sexual dynamics that we discuss here. That's the connection.

    [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    when I think right-wing politics, I think conservatism, I think religion, I think archaic tradition-based morals.

    That's the problem of a polarized two party-system - isues that get taken up by one side usually only leave the opposite to the other. If you want a more differentiated approach, pick a multi-party system... but then don't complain if the results aren't to your liking either (I've been a huge fan of multiparty systems for most of my life until I finally came to the conclusion that the Westminster system ultimately produces better results).

    [–]RyanMAGA 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Do these two viewpoints not regularly clash?

    No. Religion exists to help men control and allocate female sexuality. The whole point is that men and women are different, and if women have their way civilization can't exist. Religions that don't do this do not survive. Christianity used to provide most men with a loyal virgin to bear his children. It no longer does that and thus it is dying. That's the core of it, the god stuff is just the outer layer.

    Now that Christianity has been hollowed out we need to be more aware of the nature of women in order to produce a healthy society, but the reality is that most men can never achieve a sufficient level of knowledge to produce a working civilization without religion doing the hard work.

    Also for some reason the term "red pill" is used only to refer to sexuality in this subreddit. Historical use of the term has always referred to all hidden truths about human nature. This includes the nature vs nurture debate, and thus race. People who have actually consumed the red pill will recognize that that the "achievement gaps" between various races cannot be fixed by throwing money at them, or by anything really.

    [–]Ricardo_Machista 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Well a goddess of the right is Ayn Rand who was an Atheist, uber-rationalist, science worshiping, secular moralist. So apparently not.

    The thing you have to understand about the American right is that it's extremely diverse. That's why the Republican Party can have 15 candidates in the primaries who all hate each other. You have evangelicals, neo-cons, libertarians, federalists, constitutional conservatives, social conservatives, neo-liberals, paleo-conservatives, and so on. A lot of these groups are former progressives who became disaffected from the Democratic Party or leftism in general at some point in the countries history, like the neo-cons who were former Trotskyites and who's ideology came out of the progressive era. This seems to happen every generation, and is happening now with many liberals becoming alienated by identity politics. The right is a lot of things, but mainly just anti left which is what all these groups have in common.

    [–]Dirkz 86 points87 points  (14 children)

    Honest question: If I got to this new sub and try and engage in honest open dialogue will I be banned for disagreeing with thedonald narrative?

    It's ironic that this sub comes about on the coat tails of the Milo protests, we all know that whiny SJWs have shut down any opinion that is not their own since the election... But on the other hand so does thedonald. That place may be one of the biggest echo chambers on reddit.

    I am hesitant to participate because I firmly believe you can hold liberal views and be redpill or alpha. More so than that, I feel that it's redpill to acknowledge that this polarization of every issue is absurd and takes any real thought out of every issue. On the far left you have crybaby, fat, feminazi, tublirina SJWs and on the other end you have this dense, fascist alt_right thedonald movement and it's embarrassing to be associated with either because neither holds an opinion based in reality. They're both as moronic in polar opposite directions.

    [–]Top_Ozone 29 points30 points  (1 child)

    The_donald knows it's an echo chamber and they don't pretend to be anything else. It's just about the only place you can talk about Trump without automatically being banned or flooded with downvotes, and their policies are really the only way to keep it like that.

    [–]thomasahle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    So it is like a safe space for Trump supporters? /s

    [–]Modredpillschool[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    If you attack ideas and policies rather than the person, you are open to any well reasoned discussion, yes. I don't agree with everything Trump does. That said, I respect him and the work he does.

    [–]rp_newdawn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I agree with your sentiments. Perhaps we have the opportunity to shape something that will benefit us

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    [–]Newreddawn 38 points39 points  (4 children)

    Which should make for an interesting discussion topic. I think the dissociation from emotion is possible for those that lean left or right, but reasonable voices on the left are being drowned out by hordes of furious people making emotional arguments right now.

    I used to be left leaning, now I lean right, but I could definitely shift back someday. Red pill thought isn't as simple as alignment with a point on the political spectrum. I hope.

    [–]RP_Br3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Depends heavily on what people in US defines as left, but I may be able to help out. While I'm more right than most swedes, Sweden is way more left than USA. I'm also involved in national politics on a Libertarian party.

    I wouldnt mind answering questions about politics on national or personal level, but unsure how to set it up. If there will be some thread or something in the future I'm in, but I wont be the one taking the first step

    [–]nunyabinness 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    reasonable voices on the left are being drowned out by hordes of furious people making emotional arguments right now.

    If by right now you mean for the last few decades then yes.

    [–]that_star_wars_guy 126 points127 points  (11 children)

    That and the idea that leaning left automatically makes you a "cucked, libtard, socialist, Muslim lover, who wants to see the rise of a globalist tyranny and the downfall of nations"

    Leaning left doesn't mean you subscribe to extremist left views, but a great many people insist that it does.

    [–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (5 children)

    This is how you recognize American posts. You're with us or you're a loser that's against us. Everything is boiled down to a fucking sporting event.

    [–]DisDumbNigga 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Yes. This is great discussion too....while we bicker between left and right, there are certain flaws that both sides have, flaws we have as Americans as a whole that I wouldn't be aware of unless I had close friends that aren't American

    [–]Snazzy_Serval 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    On that note. I'm a white American male and I have absolutley no interest in football. I'm not going to watch the game tomorrow.

    [–]BreakfastGolem 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Only in America, Germany, Sweden, The UK, Canada, and Australia, basically. It's like a certain kind of people built much of the modern world off the spirit of competition

    [–]Th3St1g 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    Jesus Christ, that sub is awful. Look at the top posts there, people are actually advocating for removing a woman's right to vote. I was for the TRPR until I went and read that nonsense. TRP is about accepting reality and dealing with the circumstances, not about removing the rights of others. They need to call it the TRP alt-right.

    [–]frgualidiot 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    How on earth can you be red pilled and still think women are capable of voting? They are entirely solipsistic.

    [–]rp_newdawn 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Hence why a place for rational discussion would be valuable for personal growth for many of us. I'd love to have my views challenged and my worldview expanded

    [–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Welcome to /r/theredpillright

    [–]rp_newdawn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Thanks brotha, for everything

    [–]MurkTwain 52 points53 points  (33 children)

    I don't see how supporting Trump has any correlation to being red pill besides the fact that the dude doesn't really give a shit about what others think and does what he wants through use of deceitful tactics that have influence over ignorant people. These may be admirable red pill traits if your life solely revolves around yourself and the ramifications of that are to yourself, but he is an elected public servant and the shit he is doing is destructive as fuck and is not going to end in a more productive society, just one where everyone is way more hostile towards one another. It seems like the red pill should be more resilient and adaptable to changing characteristics in society rather than whoring out to a horseshit joke of a president with a gold digging hooker of a wife. The dudes gonna end up crashing and burning so hard its not even funny. All Trump is doing is making more people in society clever to the type of red pill tactics that tend to work in people's advantage.

    [–]En-Zu 28 points29 points  (11 children)

    I think the Left is generally just seen as being more accomodating to feminism and sjwing (because it is) which this sub is kind of opposed to and that's why it attracts so many right wing folks.

    But I'm left wing and I don't particurly care about the sjw movement. It doesn't faze me. And that's really one way to fish out the conservative and liberal posters on this thread. The Liberal TRP perspective is more "Shrug that's just the way women are I'm glad that its in the open." Whereas the conservatives are more likely to want to go back to the Old World where policies were in place to make the BP strategy work and repress female hypergamy and sexual strategy.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (10 children)

    What are your Left leaning views?

    [–]En-Zu 24 points25 points  (9 children)

    Just as a general summary I believe that climate change exists and its imperative that we act to mitigate it and pressure others to do the same.

    I'm socially libertarian which means I think that the govt should not interfere with personal lives and decisions as long as they don't harm others.

    I think that foetus's don't count morally as persons so I'm pro choice.

    I think preventative measures to cut negative behaviors are more effective or at least similarly effective as punitive ones. Meaning that I think people can be encouraged by govt policy to do better for themselves (so like better mental health care and rehab for drug offenders and not so much jail time).

    I also think that one of the federal govt's main functions is to regulate private industry and ensure that its products are ethically produced (no child labor etc) and safe for consumption. Industry self regulation does not work.

    These views put me firmly in the left even though I split from the party line on gun control and the social safety net & affirmative action (And also the utility of identity politics) these are minor issues that ultimately boil down to superficial differences in tone and strategy.

    [–]Hjalmbere 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    Does being pro-choice and believing that climate change is man-made make you a leftie in the US? To be a leftie in Western Europe usually meant you were a socialist/social democrat and supported high taxes, less free trade, and more state intervention in the economy. To be right wing meant that you wanted less tax, more free trade, less state intervention, and more cops on the beat.

    Nowadays the extreme left in Western Europe has switched focus from socialism to intersectionalism (identity politics a.k.a. white men should shut up and listen) and 3rd wave feminism. The more centre-left parties and old school fiscal conservative parties are losing ground to populist/nationalist movements since their support for the EU is associated with economic stagnation, Islamization and third world immigration.

    [–]En-Zu 10 points11 points  (5 children)

    Yes. The normal political axis is shifted to the Right in the U.S. our center left politicians like Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton would line up well with most conservative European politicians. They are not populist at all and support free trade and pro-business reforms.

    As far as taxes go in the U.S. the conservatives put more of an emphasis on cutting taxes but in real terms both parties cut and raise taxes as much as the others. The conservatives just put on a better show about it by cutting small scale programs like the Endowment for the Arts and Planned Parenthood which is usually just an excuse to take funding from social causes they dislike and doesnt actually save much money.

    In summation the two political parties in the U.S. are mirrors of one another for the most part policy-wise and only superficially diverge on the "culture wars." Panem and Circenses. Conservatives are for more "States Rights" and a less federated govt but that has been dog whistle politics for social regression since forever. They are quite content to stay federated on all topics that don't relate to the culture wars.

    DT and Bernie Sanders are of course an exception to this for the most part as they're populist. DT ran on an anti-corporate and anti free trade platform but DT thusfar seems to be deferring to Mike Pence and Steve Bannon though so he mostly toes the party line and will be more or less the same imo.

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      [–]secretmonkeyassassin 15 points16 points  (4 children)

      Right wing conservatives are often guilty of denying the obvious realities of science, when it doesn't fit their narrative (climate change, for example). Which is pretty much the epitome of Blue Pill.

      Maybe there should be a 'Red Pill Left' as well

      [–]BreakfastGolem 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      The left unanimously supports the emasculation of men, 3rd wave feminism, and the chase of decadence vs struggle. Left wing and blue pill are irrefutably synonymous in every conceivable way.

      [–]sonder_one 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      You're straw manning. Almost nobody anywhere denies that humans influence the climate in some way. We just disagree on the extent and, more significantly, whether certain proposed remedies are good ideas. The Left tends to use climate change alarmism as an excuse to impose socialism, which is what the Right actually opposes.

      It's much like how feminism says that we NEED their divorce laws, and if you disagree, you want women to be treated like property.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      You can be a Reagan Democrat and even a European Lefty but it seems most of the left in the U.S. today is pure Marxist/Feminist. I think you have to be Marx himself, or Lenin to pull off the schizophrenia of being both Red Pill and Marxist.

      [–]DaVinciNinja 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Lefty red-pill realist here! I'm not a marxist, however, but do identify as a liberal leftist (just not far left). I'll be happy to answer questions and put some negative sentiments to rest.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      This is a big must-do in the evolution of TRP. There are some really idiotic and unrealistic policies and positions on the right AND the left. This community has a really hard time taking any criticism against the politics of the right and is probably too willing to dismiss those on the left.

      [–]a_nus 15 points16 points  (2 children)

      I feel like I'm the one who's insane these days by agreen with some republican points, some democrat points, and not all of TRP's points. Seems like everyone is tilted to an extreme now.

      [–]Senior Contributoradam-l 14 points15 points  (3 children)

      Your nation is not your tribe.

      Humans have tribal behavior hard-wired in them. They exhibit it, even today. But today there are no tribes. So, these kind of behaviors are problematic, in that they expose people to manipulation.

      A tribe, as was the case in our evolutionary past, is a closely knit band of people, numbering no more than 150, with whom you normally spent all of your life together. The crucial characteristic of the tribe is that you got to know everyone, and every connection between every two members of the tribe. What this all comes down to is that there is not much space for deceit in a tribe.

      People still exhibiting tribal behavior is the reason why modern rulers think of "the people" as gullible, idiotic sheep. That's the curse of societies, since the Agricultural Revolution which changed the social scale. Relying on your tribal, hardwired expectations about social ties does not work - we need to rely on rational thought and analysis, much-much more than we were intended to.

      Therefore, I think that attempts to draw parallels between nationalism and tribalism are mislead and misleading. There is absolutely no ground today for considering nations as "tribes". If reverence for the female has been one core pillar for modern society, national identity has been the other. There is disillusionment in TRP about the first, but imo we are still quite far from a disillusionment from the second.

      [–]StudntRdyTeachrApear 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Are the soon to be 12 billion people on earth, a majority of which will be low IQ and in strife over resources, capable of unifying under the unnatural and extremely challenging task of applying reason in their daily life? If not, what is the savior? ASI? Actual, implementable post-scarcity? I'm not being facetious, I am being serious. I know far too many people who have internalized the hope for AI as their fallback for dealing with humanities moral conflicts as early as 2030. My prediction is that such notions are tirelessly naive, and increasingly alarming given current trends.

      Posts like yours are encouraging for those that seek out the denial of their primitive inclinations, but what of those who do not? What is the solution for the overwhelming majority of human beings on our planet that do not share, or are not capable of embracing rational thought? What of those who will continually seek to collect and advance their identitarian causes, making ground against those who choose not to play?

      It seems to me that identitarianism is inevitable not only because it is natural, but because it has literally been encouraged and advanced to the point where many feel western culture is on the precipice of a war over its dominant identity. There are those who willingly neglect a sense of ethnic, or racial pride, because for a time, it no longer served as a benefit. Clearly, that time seems challenged, and perhaps even passing us entirely.

      Your comment is predicated on comfortable falsehoods, that tribes are no longer relevant, that they are a divisive facade. They are very real, it seems, and they are currently some the most powerful political forces in the truly multi-cultural, multi-racial societies us information age forum users are all living in. I suppose then I'm asking you, how does one get away with not playing the tribal game as we advance in the coming years? IMO, I only see it getting worse.

      Edit: Wording

      [–]Senior Contributoradam-l 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Personal development has parallels with the development of societies. Tribalism and identitarianism is more useful for children, undeveloped individuals, and women (women all belong to the world-wide female "tribe"). The more one is self-actualized, the less the need for identitarianism.

      If you are asking how to reverse the global trend towards nationalism, which is based partly on tribal instincts, it's a valid question with no easy answer.

      If you are asking about the position of a single man regarding tribalism, I would say that a man chooses his roots, and chooses, or creates his tribe. Not only you are not obligated to choose between two evils, e.g. asian vs anglo-saxon tribalism, but I would say that rational men in each side have a responsibility to underline the absurdity of the nationalism of "their own" side.

      [–]sir_wankalot_here 36 points37 points  (17 children)

      But that doesn't mean there isn't something to know about politics.

      Politics doesn't mean sticking your vote in a ballot box every X years. Politics is about influencing change in government but most of the change does not happen directly by voting.

      I think I've been lacking in my life during the USA election cycle this past year.

      Modern western democracies have been reduced to cheering for your favorite sports teams. After your team wins or losing, you disappear out of the picture for 4 years.

      The Red Pill has been instrumental in helping myself and others find sanity in the world of sex and women, but there is no such guiding light for me in politics.

      Feminism isn't just about equal rights for women, it also is about what it means to be a woman. The second part is what most people, especially men miss.

      The Manosphere, usually it is defined as MGTOW, TRP etc is about what is a male identity. The feminists have had 75+ years to think about what is a female identity, there is a range of thought in feminism. Men are lacking that.

      [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 21 points22 points  (8 children)

      Politics doesn't mean sticking your vote in a ballot box every X years. Politics is about influencing change in government but most of the change does not happen directly by voting.

      The average American wallet has far more power than the average American voter.

      [–]sir_wankalot_here 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The average American wallet has far more power than the average American voter.

      Exactly, same everywhere.

      [–]2niczar 7 points8 points  (6 children)

      The problem with modern democracies is elections. People believe it's quasi synonymous with democracy, but it's not. Selection by lot (like for juries) would be an alternative, and one that would not systematically favor narcissists/psychopaths.

      [–]Kalepsis 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      The system that Maine instituted works extremely well.

      [–]2niczar 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      Not familiar with this, can you explain?

      [–]Pomandres 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      The Red Pill has entered our culture's vernacular and is used unironically to reference pulling back the curtain on any philosophy and discover the secret inner workings.

       

      The Red Pill has been instrumental in helping myself and others find sanity in the world of sex and women, but there is no such guiding light for me in politics.

       

      There are yet more veils to pierce.

      [–]Katavasis 7 points8 points  (5 children)

      I see the potential value.

      But why the Red Pill Right ? Right is a political spectrum that is different from country to country.

      I can see why you want to 'secure' this name,but this could limit the discussions and drive off real debates.

      I would cetrainly enjoy this sub,but i seriously hope it will be tolerant to ideas and discussions,since it's in its early stages.

      [–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Because we're correct.

      Lol.

      No but seriously, most here lean right. I debated using a neutral term but the fact is, the red pill right is already being used in the media. Time for us to put a saddle on it.

      [–]1nzgs 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      You make it seem like TRP is banning/silencing anyone remotely left-wing. Don't make yourself into a victim when you are not one, just because your argument is weak.

      If a leftist on here believes that they can align a belief in social equality-of-outcomes with TRP's tenet of the 80-20 rule and male competition then it only shows that they don't understand TRP. They are free to express their belief and others are free to criticise them. Censorship is the tool of the weak and ignorant.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 24 points25 points  (1 child)

      a fresh place to discuss politics with a serious tone rather than the memes and rage porn of the_donald.

      Such great news! I'm not a Trump or Republican fan, nor was I a Hillary fan, especially the closer to the election we got. I honestly tried to follow The_Donald, but the takeaway was just a giant circlejerk only a True Believer could love. Another day, another poorly drawn Pepe meme with thousands of upvotes, the Trump Train has reached 80% of c (speed of light), and The Wall is another 10 feet taller, touching the orbit of Neptune. Very low-bandwidth, low signal, high noise.

      Trying to have a serious discussion there was like discussing politics with the denizens of my Mom's retirement village. You never get to touch upon subjects like supply-side economics and the Laffer curve; fail to nod and agree and people are red-face screaming at you to get out of the country if you don't like it. Attempting to discuss a cost-benefit analysis of the border wall got me, "There is no cost-benefit analysis you CUCK!"

      I'm also a serious believer that Left-Right politics is a Blue Pill game, that makes enemies of allies and serves masters other than ourselves by keeping the masses fighting among themselves instead of consolidating into a serious threat to the problematic status quo.

      Looking forward to having a place to have serious technical discussions about the intersection of TRP and politics. Thanks, RPS! Edit:Remove Link

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi 11 points12 points  (2 children)

      MIlo is just the target du jour of the moment. No one wants to discuss his points or his topics, but he make the perfect effigy for rage. Gavin McGuiness is a close second.

      [–]Newreddawn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I have to wonder if he even prepares speeches anymore. The publicity he gets from being denied the ability to speak has worked miracles for his book sales.

      Their points won't be ignored forever, though. I'm still absolutely astonished that there isn't more introspection within the ranks of a party that just lost control of all 3 branches (and both houses) of government.

      [–]NeoreactionSafe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

       

      We do more to change politics by "Killing the Beta" and "Enjoying the Destruction" of the Blue Pill mythology that you can debating at the superficial level.

      The root problem with Western culture is that it has been dumbed down in order to push the world towards a globalist system.

      The phony debates operate at a low mental "vibration" for lack of a better word.

      We really only benefit humanity by benefiting our own improvement.

       

      [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 20 points21 points  (17 children)

      How are you going to differentiate the Red Pill Right from the Alt Right? Because when you start discussing things like nationalism and tribalism discussion on topics like Race and The Jews isn't far behind. As we all know that kind of thing tends to get banned on Reddit.

      [–]Modredpillschool[S] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

      Easy. The same way TheRedPill has outlasted everybody's expectations.

      We're smarter than your average redditor. We know better than to start delving into racist nonsense.

      There's a difference between recognizing voting and economic blocks, and blaming Jews for everything. One of those won't be tolerated.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

      I am very very worried that it is going to devolve into an alt-right haven. The last thing we need is the media associating us with them. We need to do what we can to keep the fascist scum out of there so we can keep the discussion focused on TRP, free markets, and Liberty.

      [–]Summertime_Dimes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      The media already thinks your a nazi based on your views towards women. What are you worried about exactly?

      [–]1nzgs 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Your equating "alt-right" with fascism is disturbing; it is a far-left narrative. The "alt right" really is nothing more than the internet generation who lean right but reject the establishment. Most people behind Milo and co are regular conservatives and libertarians. The media have already linked this place to fascism. In case you haven't realised by now, everyone posting on here is a fascist nazi rapist according to the mainstream media. Think for yourself a bit.

      If you want to see the fascists just look at the masked thugs attacking people and starting riots. The fascists were originally paramilitary socialists after-all.

      [–]Tie5o11 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      I think this sub could be effective if it is mature enough to police its own ranks. Everyone knows that extremists are its own worst enemies. White nationalists like Richard Spencer and his sheep who Nazi salute after Trump wins do far more to help the left and undermine the right than any average activist or protest. If the sub caves to the pressure of those extremists, and does not defend against that flank, then yes, 'The Red Pill Right' is going to be a great Trojan horse for forces who ultimately want to shut down TRP. It will give them endless ammo in their arsenal to label the entire TRP as an extreme racist / sexist / whateverist community.

      If The Red Pill Right becomes a venue where like-minded man can discuss poltiics, and weed out the Richard Spencer types, then I think it can be a great sub.

      TLDR; Dont f**k it up, RedPillSchool

      [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 3 points4 points  (7 children)

      The Alt Right Sub was banned a couple of days ago. To describe it in a couple of sentences, it's a less intellectual version of Dark Enlightenment topics that the Conspiracy sub doesnt dare touch: Race, Jews, nationalism, Migrants/Rapefugees, and women to a degree.

      [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 21 points22 points  (6 children)

      The danger is that the new sub will attract the AltRight exodus. Soon they'll start posting things on race and Jews then Reddit will ban The Red Pill Politics and after that just ban The Red Pill.

      When Reddit gets the call "OY Vey Shut it Down" They shut it down.

      [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Whatever. Bring it on reddit.

      [–]PaulAJK 15 points16 points  (3 children)

      Milo makes otherwise fairly sensible liberals totally fucking deranged. People call him a fascist and a white nationalist, when he's obviously neither. It's quite an eye-opener.

      Anyway, yeah, it's good to set up your own political sub. My main feeling about the alt/new right is they're good at diagnosing problems, but many of their solutions suck. Still waaay better than tradcons though

      [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      People call him a fascist and a white nationalist

      They are also calling him a Nazi, which to me as a German, and former member of the AntiFa in the late 80s, is rather unsettling. I have been brought up with the constant reminder of what my ancestors did, although they really didn't, since my father is too young and both my grandfathers were simple footsoldiers with one of them even ending up as a POW with a bullet shot through his arm in Ukraine at the ripe age of 17.

      Also comparing Trump to Hitler might be one of the most retarded things the left could come up with. Seriously. WTF? I am not a Trump fan and I do not believe that you end up in places like the one he is by being a decent human being, but Hitler was just so much more. That shows that they are even too dumb to educate themselves properly.

      And finally what the left seems to forget, observed under the light of the current circumstances, that it was indeed the violence of the communists as well, that led to the 3rd Reich. There were so many streetfights and riots in the Berlin of the late 20s and early 30s, and people were just fed up with the chaos.

      The black block could also easily be compared to the SA by the way, who also (besides from acting as bouncers at speeches) served as a tool to bring terror and violence to innocent protests.

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Exactly. From what I've seen and heard, the leftists are completely oblivious that this kind of conservative resurgence does not develop spontaneously. It grew BECAUSE OF how far the pendulum had swung. People were fed up with the rampant PC culture. People who otherwise wouldn't dream of voting for Trump flocked to the polls to support someone who didn't support that ideology.

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      [–]ok_heh 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      What is the "correct evolutionary politics" you're referring to?

      Not trolling, wandered into this thread and if I'm in a bubble or blue-pilling it then I want to be enlightened.

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        [–]ok_heh 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Yeah that makes sense, I didn't know if you were referring to a book or theory that had already been established somewhere that I could learn about.

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          [–]topothebellcurve 3 points4 points  (2 children)

          It seems to me that the real political red pill is that the left/right spectrum is a tool used against us. A single dimension to evaluate political truth on? Really? Ah hahaha what a corral!

          [–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I agree. Write a post. I would love to read it.

          [–]g8TUNESbra 10 points11 points  (2 children)

          This is good, not everyone on here is a Trump done. And the Trumpeting is annoying as fuck. Sexual strategy has nothing to do with politics.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yes it does, feminism is a sexual strategy. The one political viewpoint that unites us is that we are vehemently opposed to third-wave feminism. That inherently makes TRP right leaning.

          [–]1nzgs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Of course it has plenty to do with politics. It's infantile to deny such a thing. Every other topic in here is about marriage or false-rape, both inexorably linked to the feminist political climate. Get your head out the sand.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (3 children)

          I really like this idea and your definition of the Red Pill Right.

          Red Pill is amoral and apolitical and TRP should certainly stay that way. However, once you take the Red Pill, certain political perspectives almost always become clear. There is plenty of room for discussion on gays, and school choice, security and crime fighting, and open borders, war and peace, abortion, and so on, but I would think the Red Pill Right would generally be opposed to transgenderism/gender blending. The concerted effort to make little boys into little girls while making little girls into ball busting entitled princesses is the antitheses of Red Pill thought.

          On many of the larger issues there is broad agreement in the Red Pill Right on several Conservative principles such as limited government that goes hand in glove with lower taxes and private property rights and all are essential for a strong MAN. Some Red Pillers may do good deeds, vote Democrat, call themselves "Liberal" or Progressive, help the poor, and so on, but the underlying realization for Red Pill is to be a strong, independent Alpha man. This is why there is broad agreement on the Red Pill Right to generally eschew generous welfare and make-work government jobs. When we add that the natural enemy of Red Pill is Feminism- the dominant Marxist/Far Left ideology of our time- it is evident that the term "Red Pill Right is exactly right even if not all of us are on the "Right." Certainly the Red Pill Right is closer to "Trumpism" than to establishment Conservative thought. It may have been the Red Pill Right that was the tip of the spear in the recent election.

          I think the new sub should be heavily moderated and a place for REAL and serious political discussion from a Red Pill Right perspective. Tucker and RPS have just invented something important. Step aside Tea Party. We on the Red Pill Right have got this.

          [–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          The concerted effort to make little boys into little girls while making little girls into ball busting entitled princesses is the antitheses of Red Pill thought.

          Though I think that most of us don't care if anybody decides to "feel" like they're something else, I think we all take exception to the idea that we, as a culture, are incouraging young boys to want to be girls (and vice versa). It becomes a problem when the culture glorifies something and it expands beyond your normal rate of different people.

          I think the new sub should be heavily moderated and a place for REAL and serious political discussion from a Red Pill Right perspective.

          And that it shall be, in fact we've focused on deleting a lot of pro-trump content, not because I disagree, but because it doesn't make an argument at all, but rather fluffs him up.

          My goal is to have a place that we can finally have a serious discussion that limits trolling and goalpost moving, and gets to the real motivations behind political moves. I don't care what side you're on, left or right. You should be examined under a microscope.

          [–]1nzgs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Imo TRP is extricably linked to politics and people who deny that don't really understand how deep the rabbit hole goes. TRP is incompatible with SJW ideas that value temoporary emotional wellbeing over reason, logic, respect, boundaries. If one believes that they are entitled to the earnings of others, they can't then turn around and preach about how entitlement is bad in the context of TRP. If someone believes in TRP concepts of self-improvement and looksmaxing, they can't then preach that the world should change so as not to offend their feelings. If you understand that we pass on our genes in a competitive marketplace where there are winners and losers, then you can't honestly not see the wider implications of this to our social evolution.

          If you're a leftist then you might have the red pill in your mouth but you haven't swallowed and digested it.

          [–]1Entropy-7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          The whole idea of being "Red Pill" is to see reality for what it is. I have been a political conservative since I was 14 years old because conservatism passes the reality check better than anything the liberals and leftists have to offer.

          The left appeals to the dullards and losers in our society, as well as the over-educated who lead them.

          Anyways: see you over there RPS

          [–]Finzi 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          I'm politically left, but I still find TRP persuasive when it comes to sexual strategy. Obviously I recognize that there is overlap and affinity between aspects of TRP and conservative thought, but TRP tells us basically nothing about economics. Income and wealth inequality are out of control, and rich people dominate the political process. And it's not because a few rich supermen are so damn competent and awesome at their jobs. It's because laws, regulations, economic and tax policy are stacked in favor or rich people in a thousand different ways.

          [–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          It's because laws, regulations, economic and tax policy are stacked in favor or rich people in a thousand different ways.

          Rich people are good at staying rich, that's for sure. But don't make the mistake of thinking the 1% on the left are going to treat you better than the 1% on the right.

          [–]I_dont_understandit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Why not "theRedPillPolitics"? Wouldn't it be better to allow both left and right leaning people to participate in the conversation?

          I agree with a lot of what the red pill says about sexual strategy, but I lean socialist in my politics.

          After much study, I think socialized healthcare, high quality public schools and environmental protections are pivotal to society, but at the same time I think feminism is mostly a movement based on hypocrisy and hate (despite some well-meaning people).

          I have basically no where to go, because that makes me unacceptable to both the "right" and the "left."

          I think if you just identified yourself as "politics" instead of "the right" you could win the support of people like me, and have a much larger political movement.

          [–]purplecabbage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          govt. spend responsibly, don't take my money

          LOL

          But otherwise I like the post. And I like the redpillright political concept. If I can't have free markets, this is a closer approximation than anything else and I support it.

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          [–]BareFistEmpiricist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Back door strategy.

          [–]neopet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          You know what? I was starting to worry that the red pill name was being hijacked by the alt right after the incredible smear campaign which that group endured. Personally, I'd like this place to stay as a political as possible with the exception of some specific relevant cases. I think it's unfortunate /theredpillright has to exist, but I understand it's necessary to preserve /theredpill from those outside the community.

          I guess what I'm trying to say is thanks for taking the right steps to keep this place on the rails.

          [–]TrannyPornO 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Sex is political, per the descent of man and institution of monogamy.

          [–]Ovadox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Politics is not football. It is foolish for people to divide up into two opposing teams, force every problem and solution into a false dichotomy and then make a zero sum game out of every difference. That shuts down creative problem solving and silos people off in captive constituencies . It's great for the people in charge since they can figure out what benefits them the most, work towards that behind the scenes while they get everybody else to fight over pointless details.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Politics and the red pill are completely intertwined. If you don't think so you haven't absorbed enough. If you are a sanders supporter and read this sub you haven't absorbed enough.

          Red Pill Right = quasi libertarian. It does not mean traditional conservative. It does mean seeing through the liberal charade on issues covering gender, race, government, and religion

          [–]33papers 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Personally, I love this sub, it's bang on with sexual strategy. But so much of the political side is reactionary, most of t_d is a pathetic personality cult.

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          [–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Secondly "red pill" is a term used in many circles… I first heard it used in political circles and only found out that it was used here later.

          You're young and uninformed. I won't hold it against you.

          [–]chidoriwarrior 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Have you never seen the Matrix?

          [–]SoSconed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          So essentially a sophisticated /pol/. Congratulations you have out fedora'd 4chan.

          [–]stawek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          There is one problem with poilticizing theRedPill.

          Politics are about maintaining our culture and civilization. TheRedPill main tenets (spin plates, be alpha and shit on betas) will destroy civilization.

          Like it or not, but civilizations are built by betas who work overtime for their wifes and children, not by Chads.

          [–]sarc0lupus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          It's a good move a different sub was created to discuss this: please don't dilute RedPill with other stuff or it'll turn into the Pussy Pass sub which has recently lost my following (it was once a great sub full of examples of feminine imperative and free passes, but has now been overrun with politics).

          One of the reasons RedPill is such an incredibly good sub is because of the good and reasonable moderation. A benevolent oligarchy (a council of elders): the mods have ensured our sub doesn't get clogged with garbage (seduction sub has sadly turned this way). RedPill continues to deliver life-changing content.

          Keep it up lads.

          [–]TomFoo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          I believe it was Rollo who said there has to be many Red Pills out there, not just ours. And perhaps not just about sexual strategy either.

          RP media, RP career, RP college, RP high school, RP running a biz, RP philosophy/lifestyle, RP retirement, so on.

          Although it's frustrating when documentaries and political stances take away from the hard work of this community, we can't change the direction of the wave. Might as well ride that bitch and ride her well.

          Excellent, timely move, RPS.

          [–]hermit087 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          "Red pilled" is a general term for learning things which are politically incorrect or unpleasant to think about. For example, its 4chan lingo for somebody to say "redpill my on this subject" when talking about a historical event or political issue.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          I'm against the idea.

          TRP is about slaying pussy and making the most of your Masculinity.

          Don't get me wrong. I browse the other alternative subs and DNGAF who hates jews, niggers, and spics and care even less if they are justified or accurate. I do see the loose connections to the primary issues we discuss here.

          Still, its important not to take our eyes off the ball and TRPs rule zero is about your sexual strategy.

          [–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          That's why we've moved it to another sub. Good news is we won't be tolerating racism over there either.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          as long as misogyny is front and center than Ill be happy to contribute.

          its easy..how can one not make fun of how ridiculous bitches can be?

          [–]neopet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I agree with you, I don't want politics associated with TRP name. But unfortunately it's being done for us already by those outside the community. This is the only way I can see us keeping the main sub a-political going forwards.

          [–]hermit087 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          "But it serves as little more than rage porn and memes. The conversation actually stops itself from getting too deep. A few conjectures land at the top of every post, but nothing is really said about the underlying theory of what is happening today"

          If you are looking for "red pilled" political ideology, that would be the alt-right(its not all extreme white supremacists) or some variation of libertarianism.

          Many in these political spheres actually did first become "redpilled" in the manosphere just like you guys. Heartiste/Roissy was the beginning for me and I have heard many others say the same. 4chans /pol/ is also redpilled a lot of people about politics, but you have to spend like a year regularly shitposting on their to learn anything.

          In retrospect, reading books about political philosophy might be a much more efficient way to learn about this stuff than internet communities.

          [–]Lionlocker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This has been long coming, subbed immediatly.

          It's absolutely imperative that politics are decided based on logic and fact. We can have all the lovey-dovey sjws that want a big happy hugbox, but realistically it just isn't happening. It's a long time coming that logic reclaims its place as top decision maker.

          Having been on TRP for a year now, I know the ideas discussed here are of great significance, based in reality and eloquently put. I was eagerly awaiting the conversation to become political.

          We live in extraordinary times. A tidal wave of conservatism and attention on the global elite shadow government. I want to live through these times with the bright minds present here.

          [–]Mckallidon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Subbed. Need more outlets to shitpost and/or consume posted-shit.

          [–]NegativeFrank 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          It's unclear whether this sub is meant to be male dominated.

          [–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I welcome truth and reason. No need to identify gender.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm pretty evenly split between republican and democratic ideologies but still enjoy banging broads and not taking their BS. I don't think it has much to do with politics.

          Most conservatives are religious and I'm an atheist so that alone knocks me out of the republican camp.

          I'm also not big on immigration (legal or otherwise) so that knocks me out of the democrat camp.

          Let's talk about banging broads!

          [–]McFistycuffs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          IN MY OPINION, it seems to me that linking The redpill to the right idealologies is an attempt from the right to gain support of middle class males in America and further polarize the political sphere.

          Understand, that the key to getting a group of people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do, is to provide some incentive. Through much of human history that incentive was in the form of arms and force, but also, by controlling access to women. The institution of marriage was formed by agricultural societies as a means of accomplishing this.

          It's in human nature to want to fuck. How does the father inventivize his sons to plow the land? By controlling their access to women. It was the father's choice, who you married in early agricultural societies for that reason. The son who rebels never marries.

          My next statement is not to chastize or strike fear in the hearts of those who identify most closely to the right but. . . Based on my observations and study of history and politics, it is my educated OPINION, that the current administration knows this all to well. Due to the fact that The Redpill is centered around the topic of sexual strategy, it seems a rational strategy for a political party (who have lost a lot of support of millenials in recent decades) would be linking their base to these sexual strategies. They understand that we understand things about sex that most simple fucks just don't realize. The strategy here is to link Redpill to the Right ideals, thus persuading those simple fucks, to join in on their political agenda.

          I believe "alpha" "beta" language is going to become particually dangerous in this political atmosphere, because it's going to be used BY BOTH SIDES, to undermine and devalue idealologies we disagree with. This is particularly dangerous to our democratic system, because good democracies require us to listen and talk with each other in order to share ideas. But if we end up just calling people we disagree with "beta cucks" it will only cause more resentment between the two dominant political identities in America.

          I believe that all of us, regardless of our political stance, at least agree on one thing: The fifth amendment. So gentlemen, I encourage all of you to educate yourself on political science. Wiki John Stewart Mill. Read 1984. And do not result to insults in your political debates from day to day, but instead stick to facts and observation, remain open to new opinions.

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