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Red Pill TheoryWomen will never solve your problems (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by The_Phoenecian

In light of recent events in Toronto and all the incel-related content I’ve seen recently, I want to put this out there and hopefully remind the men of trp and beyond that they desperately need to depedestalize women. Clearly the thousands of past posts on this haven’t sunk in.

Anecdote time. I was a student at UCSB and living in Isla Vista the night Elliot Rodger went on his shooting spree and killed 6 people. The same Elliot Rodger who posted multiple YouTube videos and an extensive online manifesto in which he discussed his hatred of the women around him due to their lack of interest in him. The same Elliot Rodger that has become a meme and a martyr figure in the incel community online. The same Supreme Gentleman that the recent Toronto attacker posted an homage to on Facebook some time prior to running his van into a crowd of people. Rodger spent his years convinced that the reason he was unhappy was because he didn’t have women in his life. Never once did he shift the focus onto himself. Never once did he think that maybe he was lacking the traits and character qualities that women value. No, rather he was convinced that women ignored him due to some cruel cosmic joke, and in a desperate attempt to finally get their attention he got himself a gun, killed a few sorority girls and eventually offed himself in his car with police on his tail. Good job kid.

Rodger lives on within certain sects of the internet. To the hundreds of thousands of basement dwelling, Mountain Dew chugging, hentai fapping, neck bearding human males out there, Rodger is a de-facto hero and martyr. A boy who spent his life in forced social isolation, watching those around him lead the lives he so desperately wanted for himself, without even a passing glance in his direction. A boy who got so fed up with his insignificance that he eventually mustered up the balls to do something about it. Let’s be honest here, I think most of the people that frequent this sub can relate to parts of his story. I know I can. A lot of us can painfully remember the years we spent wishing things were different, wishing we could be cool and get pussy like those other guys. Those are the memories that now drive us to constantly strive for better.

Rodger’s idea of striving for better was wearing a Hugo Boss button down and smirking at girls at the bus stop. He never thought to himself that maybe women are repulsed by skinny, pretentious, socially retarded softies. He never saw himself for what he truly was, and it eventually destroyed him.

Rodger’s story, while tragic, is a valuable cautionary tale for the young men of this generation. Look at yourselves. Recognize your shortcomings. Work to improve upon the weaknesses you can control. Work to make peace with those you cannot. Do this consistently and effectively and before you know it, you will be living a life better than you ever thought possible. Work to look better, be smarter, and have more fun. Work to make more money, make more friends, and have more life experiences. Become someone attractive, and people will be attracted to you. And I don’t mean attractive in a solely physical sense. Ever see an absolute dime with a relatively ugly guy and think “Why is she with him?” It’s likely because he’s a cool motherfucker with social proof up the ass and fun shit happening around him ALL THE TIME. She just wants to be along for the ride.

There are things in life we cannot control. We can’t choose where we are born, nor to whom, nor in what financial circumstances. We can’t control when we start balding, nor how tall we grow, nor the color of our skin. But it doesn’t matter, because none of these things bring happiness or fulfillment. As men, we are always in control of our lives. When you go around spewing bullshit about black pills you are cheating yourself out of the truth: you will always be able to improve the life you lead. You just have to be strong enough to do so. Women will never bring you happiness, but you can create it. This is God’s gift to men.


[–]Ezaar 293 points294 points  (37 children)

You gotta create the fire if you wanna be warm at night.

[–][deleted] 207 points208 points  (34 children)

This reminds me of an experience I had a couple years back at my Dad's place. He lived in a fairly tropical region with an old house and so we left the window open for breeze but didn't have a fly screen, so a myriad of insects were allowed to fly in. I was lying on my bed with my phone passing the time with the lights out, and of course, I had a whole university course's worth of entymology specimens on my brightly lit screen. First they were a nuisance but then I got used to them.

Then, a firefly wandered in and perched itself on the roof, and contented itself with sitting there. For 5 minutes I stared at its bio-luminescent blinker light butthole in admiration of it's beauty, when suddenly I noticed something. The firefly wasn't attracted to my phone screen at all. It hadn't veered remotely in the path towards me or my dimly lit distraction device. And it puzzled me why, until I realized that all of these other lawn-dwelling, fruit-eating insects were scavenging the light that I so dutifully provided for them. But the firefly made it's own light. It could just as easily be comfortable by itself or in the company of other fireflies, but the other insects parasitically dwelled in the glow of others.

And I thought about this and immediately realized why some people attract a greater amount of attention and friendship than others. It was by far the most profound thing I've ever thought of myself.

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand this but it's still a weird metaphor.

[–]AstuteBlackMan 30 points31 points  (0 children)

People spend time blaming others and never blame themselves. Great post

[–]vfb14 72 points73 points  (8 children)

Some men that encounter the redpill find it shocking, and sometimes an aberration. The moment they realize women's true nature is so overwhelming, that they completely spin it in a negative light. The realization that women are not these mythical unicorns they were conditioned to believe they were by society in general, shatters some of these men's lives entirely.

Psychologically speaking, every human being is different. Nature and nurture play an extremely important role in human behavior. Nature states that our behavior, personality traits and abilities are in our genetic, but it also determines the likeliness of genetic illnesses and diseases. Nurture states that our environment, upbringing and life experiences determine our behavior.

These two aspects determine not only the way we behave but the way we perceive and interpret information. Being that these two aspects are different for everyone is almost impossible to predict how each person might react to new information or certain situations, sometimes ending in the extreme of psychotic breaks, killing rampages and suicide.

That's why i think the way we approach not only the redpill but any type of information or situation must be with an open mind and always questioning everything with our best possible judgement.

Aristotle quote: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" pretty much sums it up and by achieving this, there might be a reduction of men that stay stuck in the anger stage, and the complete realization that women's hypergamic behavior is subconscious and their evolutionary way of adapting, ensuring their best chances of survival and the preservation of the best genetic material as well.

Making the picture of women's hypergamic nature as clear as possible will help to identify their sexual strategy and give a chance to the majority of men to plan their own strategy accordingly.

[–]Pie_021 23 points24 points  (2 children)

IMO I'm not surprised how many men handle the redpill. It doesn't help that society today really pushes the "women are wonderful effect" and many men are naive enough or indoctrinated to believe that. I mean how do you go from wanting women to thinking they are great to still wanting women but realizing how fucked up their rationale and mentality is? It's a kick in the face, a punch to the nuts, a complete 180. It's like peeking back behind the stage and finding out it was all a front. Men take things at face value and now are forced to thinking very strategically into deciphering women's intentions. Having to go from taking it easy to playing chess with every interaction. It's a mind fuck, it's exhausting, and it leaves many wishing that thing weren't this way.

Of course I'm not excusing these guys behavior, you are right people are different and guys like Elliot were probably a couple of notches from unhinged and all they needed was a triggering event. Men who come here, read, understand, reflect, and then improve are lucky. I honestly found this sub by mere chance and when I was reading it up, I was like "Yes yes! This is everything I have thought to my self!" It was like finally finding people who actually agree with you in a sea of people who won't even entertain or answer your questions.

Aristotle quote: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"

If you look at many "social movements" today they are all very two faced. Feminism claims they are for equality between men and women yet blame men for everything and strive to give women every advantage they can. They claim men are the oppressors but men are the one's being disadvantaged left and right. BLM says white people are oppressors but then claim you can't be racist towards white people. Their values and actions conflict. And if you try to talk to these people and try to share your views or ask questions, prepare yourself to brutally attacked. People have been doxxed, harassed, accounts banned, swatted, and more. These people are fucking crazy.

[–]danhaas 7 points8 points  (1 child)

With practice, it becomes easier to play chess with every interaction. It's the "unconcious competence" phase that was posted here some days ago.

[–]WombatCommander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the more adept socializers get to a point where they aren't even focused on playing the chess game anymore, but rather enjoying the ability to pick and choose between the best possible canidates for marriage.

Others like to flip the chess board and just do whatever they feel like doing, within bounds of reason, The real trick is to have respect for yourself and others in a social situation, and to go into it knowing that a rejection isn't the end of the world.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Tl;DR people are special snowflakes REEEE.

Most people operate by certain behavioral patterns that depend strongly on their cultural upbringing. By knowing their cultural upbringing and their gender, I can tell you with quite a large degree of certainty how they think and the general pattern will hold. The variations will be in small differences about tastes like pizza vs tacos, red vs green color, etc.

[–]vfb14 0 points1 point  (3 children)

My point is that there's a huge change that mentally unstable people frequent this subreddits. They are highly likely to take certain information in an extremist view, and as long as there's that possibility there are always going be casualties like the one in Toronto, and that is impossible to predict. By the way I agree that there are snowflakes everywhere.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There is a reason extremist views are taken - mainly desparation and lack of masculine role models that can teach moderation. Extremist views are the perogorative of youths. These attacks such as the one in Toronto or others occur because youths do not become men because of an extremely effemate environment and lack of strong masculine role models. Feminism is directly to blame for the attacks.

[–]vfb14 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You are making some valid points, but only focusing completely in nurture while forgetting about nature. I think my original comment is pretty self explained. Have a great day!.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I ignore nature because nurture plays a greater role in this instance. The proof of this is that there are no reports of such attacks coming from more masculine cultures like Armenia (where the van attacker was from). Nature gives a predisposition, but that predisposition merely means something is MORE LIKELY to happen given certain environmental conditions. This means that the Van Attacker may have been predisposed to attack people (ie more likely to do so), under conditions of man hating that we have here. He would have been completely different in Armenia.

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[–]daboss329 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Username definitely checks out!

[–]Palladax7 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This is definitely the top comment board

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[–]blindface 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is that modern society and feminism don't offer solutions for this. If anything, they amplify the problem by demonizing men and focusing on identity differences.

Toxic Masculinity is not the problem. It's a culture that demonizes masculinity. It's a culture that demonizes the things towards which we should aim.

[–]anabolic92 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It has been said here before, while women in your life will not solve your problems, the lack of it will create some.

Can be seen as money: Have none and you are fucked, get an stable income and everything is OK.

[–]allgreentome 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is one of the best posts I’ve seen on this sub in a long time. Perfectly put. Improve yourself and good things will come to you. Do nothing and that’s what you get!

[–]lnternetLiftingCoach 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is what I needed to hear. Not that I am incel or support them in any way, but your advice on placing our source of happiness within ourselves instead of external measures, and always strive to become the best version of ourselves. Kudos for a simple and short, yet well-formulated and fantastic post.

[–]brotein_synthesis 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This shouldn't be news to anyone here, I think.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My lawyer is a woman and she solved lots of problems so I call fake news.

[–]OralCarabiner 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sometimes men just need to turn the woman problem on its head. Be better for yourself. Ignore what women think. See them for what they are. Fixtures that some fawn over, and nothing more.

[–]EvigSoeger 4 points5 points  (0 children)

About the Rodger thing, fucking preach. Seriously, that dude is living proof that the black pill is bullshit. A dude can't get laid from looks and family dollar alone - you gotta put in the work. If Elliot had spent his time lifting and overcoming his anxiety instead of playing WoW, he would've been unstoppable.

[–]victor_knight 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Don't forget about George Sodini.

[–]oldrunnerguy 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I consider myself a MGTOW, but I come on here quite often. I appreciate the post and I feel it is congruent with the philosophies that I have adopted for myself. I am in my mid 50's, just recently through a divorce, and have come to certain realizations of finally acknowledging some hard truths that, maybe I knew all along, but could only be convinced through life-long experiences.

Not all of us are going to have the SMV that women desire nor the game needed to facilitate it plus, in my case, where you don't have the available resources, it is futile to put your focus on relationships. It does get to be very frustrating, but I think the implication that you are attempting to purvey is to improve yourself for yourself and then let yourself be the only judge that matters.

I, like many men, thought that a woman would bring me happiness. It was, as it was with most men, the struggle to accept their shortcomings in order to have someone to love you back. The result was sacrificing my core values to get my physical needs met, which once I married her, did not happen. I think you have to stick to your core values to have a happy life, with or without a woman in your life. You need to be happy on your own. You solve that and then you can decide whether to be MGTOW or whether to pursue a relationship.

[–]3rdtimethecharm67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can relate at 50 going through a divorce. Best wishes.

[–]damageddude 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure if this response is appropriate for this page; if not, mods feel free to delete. I started following this subredit after I my wife of over 20 years lost her fight with breast cancer, more to get an idea of what the world was like for single men these days and to re-start me after losing we.

As my wife's time was coming to a close we talked about my future. She told me she wanted me to meet somebody new. I told her I had no plans and aside, who would want a bald, nerdy, fat almost 50 year old? She told me plenty of women would be fine with me as I have a job, am nice, have a good personality and have all my teeth. I thought she was joking, turns out she wasn't.

I met someone, wasn't looking, just happened. I am now a 49 year old dating a 27 year old, which I sure as hell never expected. She was turned on in part because I am respectful and know how to treat a woman right (I'm well trained). She is kind, likes my children and is ok I am still madly in love, and am still mourning, my late wife (hasn't been a year yet -- my wife knew I wouldn't be single for long). It's not that hard to find someone to be kind and caring to and to receive the same in return. You just need to be a worthy target.

And it's ok if you're not. I was/am ready to spend the rest of my life as a single person. Maybe it's because I'm older now, but I have things I would like to do that doesn't require a companion. Once my children are grown, and assuming my health allowed (I'll be in my mid to late 50s once my nest is empty), I think I will be happy to sell all, retire early and travel in relation to some of my interests. My mother's cousins did that, to an extent. They basically lived in an RV for almost a decade after retirement, before that lifestyle became too tiring FT.

My point is, whether I have someone at my side or not (and I prefer to have someone), my happiness is ultimately in my hands. I will probably always miss my wife and our life, but my happiness is not going to rely on me finding another wife.

[–]Paladin2903 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The only thing women have done in my life is create problems. The sad fact of life is that they are a HUGE burden. Unfortunately, all those Disney fairytales didn’t teach us this, growing up.

[–]unplug9000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can't bring myself to read this post. I'm laughing too much at the notion that a problem that you cannot solve yourself can be solved for you by a woman (results guaranteed by LTR inc.).

[–]Solitary_Solidarity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I need to get my shit together, total mess. Women aren't the priority i am. There are so many aspects in my life i need to improve, nihilism really does destroy life.

[–]Science4Lawlz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Relentlessly chasing your dreams, unapologetically, ignoring all the bullshit, and self-actualizing is what brings true happiness. Skip some steps on Maslow's hierarchy of needs and be a complete bad ass and when there are people laying in your wake...she'll come, the one for you. If you be the best version of yourself then you'll attract the same. I don't know why I didn't realize that sooner.

[–]SmeggingRight 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Clearly the thousands of past posts on this haven’t sunk in

From what I've seen, those posts have sunk in. There are thousands of posts here on how bad and privileged women are.

I want to put this out there and hopefully remind the men of trp and beyond that they desperately need to depedestalize women.

From the way I see it, the red pill pedestalizes women without realizing it. It's as if people here believe women are born knowing they should be "nice" to "nice men" but they turn away from this "knowledge" and run around with bad boy chads. It's kind of biblical, like the fall of Eve, when you think about it.

[–]darknessbemyfriend 13 points14 points  (0 children)

TRP doesn’t exactly pedestalize women, as it regularly refers to females as untrustworthy whores, thots, plates etc.

However it does make it seem like your only goal is to smash lots of females and get gains. This takes away from anything else in life you may find enjoyable and leads to incel culture for those too unattractive to lead a life of lifting and thrusting.

If there were other focuses like “Work really hard and enjoy the financial freedom that later brings” or “do lots of Contiki tours and see the world WHILE banging lots of chicks...”

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"nice guy"s are nice to people, agreeable, helpfull etc. They can put a ring, buy home, take care of children. On the other hand, "chad" is just here for pussy.

I cant see any pedestalization because logicaly any person should want to be with former. So it is not pedestalization, it is simple logic. But reality dont work that way.

[–]conflagratorX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women won't solve your problems but you have to experience it by yourself. Growing up in sex obsessed society, watching others having fun while even ugliest women won't look at you is frustrating as hell. Frustration causes anger - either against yourself, against society or both. Some people snaps and goes on killing spree and/or commit suicide.

Is the society to blame for this sad state of affairs? In good old patriarchy days there were more balance - women had to choose partners with similar SMV to her, they were marrying young to give best years to their husbands, promiscuous women were shamed. That was foundation of stable society. Now if you want to get laid you either have to go into top 20% (which by definition is not solution for majority) or be a beta bux to some post-wall hag, which will end in dead bedroom anyway. So I would say that anger against current society is at least understandable. You reap what you sow.

[–]magx01 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Posts like this always fail to recognize the individual differences in psychology. The way people react to given stimuli, information or hardships differs, and will always differ, based on an unbelievable amount of factors that we will never fully decode (from genetics to familial experiences to epigenetics to hormones etc).

This type of advice is always frankly useless because of the above.

[–]OracleofFl 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't interpret the OP saying "We are awesome because we chose TRP over becoming an incel" and I don't see the post as offering advice as much as it just being on observation that the guys on this sub have chosen a different path than the incels have.

Your point is correct. Our ability to choose the RP path over the incel's "path of least resistance" (aka pass the blame to the world instead of accepting the blame for the situation) is based on our psychology.

[–]CloudGuide 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It does make you wonder tho, maybe the ability to spot one's weaknesses, to be self-conscious, to be honest with oneself is inbuilt. Why are some people brave and others not? I think there's a tiny amount of truth in their world view. Some people cannot be saved. Some people are just born retarded, either socially or mentally, or the same.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women are a lagging indicator. Surprised no one said this.

[–]tilnewstuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women will never bring you happiness, but you can create it.

That's exaggerating it. Yes, happiness must come from inside first, but women are an essential part of happiness. No lonely man can be truly happy.

[–]Celicni 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I agree with the sentiment of the post of course, but I'm pretty sure if some cheerleader blew Rodger once he wouldn't have done shit. Women sure as fuck could have solved that problem.

[–]tteabag2591 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It isn't a stable solution. Sure it might have stopped him in that instance but think about the precedent it sets. Loser men demand sexual attention or they blow people up. I don't think we want to go down that road. Whatever Elliot Rodger was, I don't want to see more of it. Women were right to reject him.

[–]Meisner1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a Christian, i approve that last sentence. I thoroughly believe men are 'programmed' to appreciate a woman's body.

[–]iLoveReddit32 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lmao I thought this was obvious?!?! Women only create problems, and certainly don't solve any.

[–]jinglebells89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was on board until “recognize your shortcomings”

What the incels don’t realize is what a pain in the ass women are for even the high value man. Shit tests, rejection, invalidation from crazy women, etc.

So by placing the emphasis on guys to improve for women and not themselves, as OP does, he’s still pedalstalizing them. I hate this message behind of what’s posted on this forum.

Truly take them off the pedalstal and stop giving a f*ck what they think of you either way. Recognize and improve upon your short comings for yourself not for any woman, because the bs with women never stops

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of Elliot Rodger's old comments on a bodybuilding forum:

forum thread: Why do girls hate me so much?

Dressing nice is better than having bulging muscles anyways. This isn't the ****ing stone age. Men shouldn't have to look and act like big, animalistic beasts to get women. The fact that women still prioritize brute strength just shows that their minds haven't fully evolved.

Forum thread: Anyone here have an average penis and still get girls?

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.


Never insult the style of Elliot Rodger. I'm the most stylish person in the world. Just look at my profile pic. That's just one of my fabulous outfits. The sweater I'm wearing in the picture is $500 from Neiman Marcus.

WHAT?! I am a beauty. How dare you. Girls should be fawning over me. You're just jealous.

The guy was fucked up in more ways than one.

I think above all his flaw was that he was unable to take or learn from criticism. All those people wanting to help him. People telling him to lift. And how did he react?

Read for yourself

[–]prostaddict 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my experience, when I was suffering from low self esteem, insecurity, feelings of worthlessness - getting a woman made my life worse, not better. That inner, personal plague I suffered from put me into the most toxic, unhealthy relationships which did nothing but make things worse. No More Mr Nice Guys talks alot about that

[–]aherne18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I kinda disagree. Most people here are smart enough to realize the truth about themselves, but can't find enough energy to get past that...

[–]Hjalmbere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rodgers had mental health issues. He was perscribed Xanax, Paxil and Prozac. He was also a fucking idiot born to privilege who didn't deal with his problems.

Women don't owe you sex just because you breathe. People don't owe you money just because you were born.

[–]casemodz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

These posts are always wayyyy too long and I never read them

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

lol dude you actually just typed that out.

delete reddit and go get pussy if you're so incredible