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Red Pill TheoryHead-swiveling, prolonged stares, and commenting/liking/PMing women's social media is a demonstration of low value and fucks up the SMP. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Contributordr_warlock

Introduction/Story

Social media (the biggest reason for the title) allows you to receive contact from people outside your immediate vicinity (The entire planet to be exact). The average female can receive the attention of a male rockstar from parent's bathroom mirror selfies taken from her cellphone (before she had to use a real camera and upload the photos to her PC with an SD card). Beta males then flood her with a tsunami of compliments, likes, and PM's in hopes of sex, but because they're beta, they think just her acknowledging his existence with a "thank you :)" is a viable substitute. This all takes place in the palm of her hand from several apps opened simultaneously.

If you had sisters or looked at a high school/college girl's phone, you know what I'm talking about. It's such an awe-inspiring experience to see all the texts and app notifications, then they deny these men's intentions. I once saw a girl who had over 300 unread texts from dudes. She said she eventually stopped answering them. Then she showed me her Skype, same thing. I read through the convos. They write several sentences, she writes a few non/fake enthusiastic words back. So many dudes with no game it made me sick. It was so pathetic how desperate they were. To think I used to be these guys feels shameful. It's the same situation in every app after every status and pic.

  • Sidenote: this is not uncommon for women to be flooded with so many messages and friend requests that they just simply stop replying, stop using the app, or make a new profile.


History Lesson for you Youngsters

You readers may be too young to remember, but texting used to be something for logistics only for three reasons:

  • 1) It was new. It did not have a chance to evolve

  • 2) Time. No touch screen and mostly flip phones with pull out antennae. We had letters going left to right, top to bottom arranged in chunks for the numeric pad. You had to cycle through each chunk by clicking to corresponding number multiple times to get to your desired letter. 2 had 'abc'. 3 had 'def'. 4 had 'ghi' (i think) etc. Before smart phones, you had to use a real camera and upload the photos to your PC with an SD card. For this reason, phones were used for logistics only and photo uploading wasn't as frequent by men and women alike.

  • 3) There was no social media or smart phones. The best things to do on your Windows XP computer were MSN messenger/AIM and Limewire (torrent software). Your phone wasn't even capable of e-mail. There were no secondary means of communicating other than e-mail on your PC or a "pager".

People used to call one another and actually pick up the phone or call back promptly, including women. They (women) may not have said much, but they picked up. Today, women purposely ignore it, then text saying "omg, lolz, sorry I missed your call, I was busy." People are distracted by other means of communication and women are by nature scaredy cats and avoid direct means of communication like a phone call if at all possible.

Social media has ruined many many people's ability to communicate. They're afraid of the 'responsibility' implied when calling or answering a phone call. They feel 'trapped' because of the decision to speak or choosing when to hang up, especially when they no longer feel like talking.

Women didn't used to receive many phone calls from hordes of betas like they do IM's and texts today for the same reason women don't answer the phone today, they were scared. Social media didn't ruin women, social media unlocked the gate blocking beta males from smothering women in validation. You used to have to be with a woman in person and have to call her to communicate with her. That barrier, that Great Wall of China, that nuclear bunker keeping beta attention at bay? ==> confidence. Confidence barriers alone excluded 100's of millions of men from the SMP. Not just with women within the beta perpetrator's own SMV, but the women he wouldn't otherwise speak to or even be in the same building as waay out of his league. When people talk about the 'glory 80's, 90's, early 2000's', this is what they were talking about. Smart phones, texting, and social media allow beta males to 'approach' from the safety and ease of behind touch-screen phones and keyboards that provides a psychological buffer to real life rejection and/or anonymity.

Female validation seeking drives and beta male validation are a symbiotic relationship that feed off eachother. The women get validation via attention, compliments, gifts, money, and status. The beta gets validated by a simple "thanks :)" or sometimes less, anything that acknowledges that he exists by a woman.

Facebook, the proof of concept of social media and the beginning of the social media revolution + the smart phone, were a deadly SMP fusion, a binary explosive. Women then started unexpectedly getting attention in much greater quantities than they're used to, then women picked up the pattern and it became a national epidemic and is now spreading across the world (westernizing other cultures).

Calling women today is now "weird". Doesn't matter what you think about how it 'separates you from everyone else'. She most likely wont pick up. Don't bother unless she's your gf. Calling is not as validating as it used to be. Now you're just a drop in the validation/stimulus bucket. By waiting for or answering your call, she's not gaining any extra dopamine spikes as opposed to all the other stimuli. Detached non-in person communication is better.


The Point of This Post

Head-swiveling, prolonged stares (without her initiation or reciprocation), and commenting/liking/PMing women's social media is a demonstration of low value and fucks up the SMP. You must stop this. Most men are looking for validation in the form of female reciprocation of a stare.

"Yay a woman acknowledged my existence as a sexual being."

Glances, phone numbers, text messages, and kisses don't mean shit. It's all about that bang. Woman dress up and go out for the sole purpose of being looked at with desire with no intention of sex whatsoever. All you do by checking her out is elevating her ego and thus her entitlement and bitchy behavior. If the sight or presence of an attractive woman makes your day, you're a loser. Unless you plan and DO approach her, don't even glance her way. I understand that even a woman in your peripheral vision activates an urge to glance but you've got to ignore it.

Do you ever see women's head on a swivel? Especially hot women? I don't think so. They keep their head straight to purpose with no hesitation. They will walk and stand in a way to attract attention but ignore them. You're not a person or even people, you're a validation wave to sooth their ego. You need to do some of the same. Head straight to purpose, especially at the gym. Never check out women at the gym. Stare at the wall, the floor, into space or yourself in the mirror. I promise you, you will never get laid by staring at a woman. She just goes "teehee, i got a glance , I win" and disregards you. Every other guy will do it, but you won't. I've seen women try to get my attention and focus on me when I go out of my way not to even look their way. I find it rather humorous.

Q: If you don't look at women, how do you know if she's interested?

A: If a woman likes you, she will initiate IOIs via her face or body langauge that can be detected with a 'pass-over glance' or your peripheral vision. Women that are attracted are the male equivalent of beta males. They're easy to spot. The problem is most men aren't exposed to attractive women (or women in general) in their day to day lives, so when they finally see one, they have a scarcity mindset. This is a 'proximity problem' which will be addressed in a later post.

I can already hear it, "muh alpha eye contact that moistens panties."

Shut up.

It should be noted doing a quick/periodic scan of the room for situational awareness is not what I'm talking about. That should always be done. But ask yourself, if you the knew your location was 100% dudes and that wasn't going to change anytime soon, how would you act? Would you scan the room? No, you wouldn't. You'll catch yourself doing it without thinking; it's instinctual, specifically if you're not getting any or not around women a lot. Always act like you have abundance even if you dont have any.


Interacting With Women On Social Media

Unless a girl posts a photo of you or talks about you, NEVER EVER compliment/like any photo or status of hers. Don't even read her Snapchat stories that shows who read them. Give her absolutely nothing. Merely existing is not praiseworthy. Being good looking is not an accomplishment. Never PM a woman unless you've approached or spoken in person and she expects your friend request.

Notice when you watch porn, you have a virtually unlimited selection of dopamine inducing material to choose from. You scroll mindlessly through video after video. Probably have multiple tabs opened unable to decide which virtual woman to jerk off too. Women have the exact same thing except the virtual women are real life men competing for her attention on every app. She simply pulls out her phone and gets a bombardment of sexual selection. But there's a one main difference, VALIDATION IS SEX TO WOMEN. Every man she sees on her screen liking, commenting, messaging, or staring at her is like a man jacking off to a single video. She feels like a celebrity because,in a way, she is, but her SMV remains the same. She thinks because her options have increased, it must be because her SMV increased, but that's not true. Socioeconomic status doesn't increase her SMV, it just places her in closer proximity to higher status guys. Now you have a bunch of 5's thinking they're 7's and so forth.

Think about that last point. A girl uploads the same photo to 5 different apps. Then each guy she's 'friends' with likes or upvotes it on every app + maybe another comment. It's like a girl is living 5 lives of praise simultaneously, a parallel universe of validation for years.



Conclusion

Head-swiveling, prolonged stares (without her initiation or reciprocation), and commenting/liking/PMing women's social media is a demonstration of low value and fucks up the SMP. You must stop this.

Validation is something you must withhold to keep women in check. They fish for it in the highest metaphorical sense with erogenous region revealing bait or "i'm so sad" bait, or virtue signaling bait such as "I wish people didn't hurt the horsies" (standing_next _to_a _horse _in_bootyshorts.jpg), any attention they can garner because it's like sex to them. In other words, women will substitute validation for the physical pleasure of sex with you. The second you give it away, she no longer feels the need to put in effort.

If you experienced the waves of attention women hold in the palm of their hand, you would act more similar to today's women (entitled bitches with inflated standards) than you think. It's horrible for the soul. The validation of a male rockstar for a meh woman with just a couple bedroom-selfies sitting on her ass watching TV eating ice cream.

Always talk to attractive women like they're not hot. Even sometimes like they're a dude. You need to keep their egos down and make them work for that gender specific treatment. I promise they will notice and take a higher interest in you for doing so. The hotter they are, the more they notice

Stop giving free validation. You're just fucking yourself out of a fuck.

End transmission.




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[–]1PantsonFire1234 36 points37 points  (6 children)

Now imagine a commitment app and a guy would be legally obligated to talk and spend time with the girl who's request he accepts. No tippy toe shit. You are forced to finish it like high school for a duration of four years. Dropping out after one or two years will get you screwed but in special circumstances you are allowed, this would be decided by the commitment app dean. You are now stuck with this girl.

First, guess how many requests a guy would be bombarded with if he's reasonably in the top 20%. Now guess how many of those would be actually accepted by those guys.

The reason why social media works for women is because it's a sex-centric based service. The implication is for the men to get sex. Any 'commitment' a man gives is actually a tiny sliver of his time. Lots of beta's that orbit women probably orbit her because they want to fuck her, nothing more. Should they get the chance odds are most would leg it after a month. The game would be flipped up side down.

This is something women don't realize. Most guys actually feel indifferent about them. They think the validation implies that they have dating prospects because they would only like a guys pictures if they were interested in that manner. But guys don't work like that. That's actually why they ride the CC train at first. They think they are dating Chad but in reality they are being plated. It's only much later when they get mentally damaged that they accept the lie and just whore themselves out. But initially they have lots of fee fees.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Lots of beta's that orbit women probably orbit her because they want to fuck her, nothing more. Should they get the chance odds are most would leg it after a month.

I disagree with this. If a girl is hot enough to orbit, most betas will catch oneitis and try to have a LTR with them.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They'd have to know and see the girl somewhat regularly or another plausible catalyst for their oneitis has to have happened. I can't imagine guys having strong feelings for girls they only talked to a couple of times or just added from IG/Tinder. Before things get personal most guys just want to get their dick wet.

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    [–]grandaddychimp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    As in, act as though you're the prize and she has to win you. That's how you pull her into your frame.

    [–]Wissenschaft85 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    As one guy told me when I questioned why he was so obsessed with with a skinny flat chested/flat ass girl, pussy is pussy.

    My thought: The thirst is strong in this one.

    [–]grandaddychimp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    At first I thought you meant he was saying that he won't commit to any woman because he just views them all as warm holes. Then I realized you meant that he's so desperate that he will fuck anything with a pussy.

    Awful. Even in my worst blue pill years as a teenager, I had standards.

    [–]Wissenschaft85 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    He had that sniper mentality where he focused sololy on one girl at time. Sure, the girl had a pretty face but so do many. This is why even if your only going to have sex with one girl at a time, you should still have 2 other girls your working on, as a reminder that your main squeeze isn't the be all end all of of women.

    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    Calling women today is now "weird". Doesn't matter what you think about how it 'separates you from everyone else'. She most likely wont pick up. Don't bother unless she's your gf. Calling is not as validating as it used to be.

    Calling is still a damned good plan - it separates you out, it makes you more real, it makes you harder to ignore, and it GETS YOU INFORMATION about her interest level.

    Things that increase your attractiveness AND tell you whether she is generally interested are always good. This means escalation in all ways: physically, emotionally, and picking up the god damned phone.

    But you want her to pick up and not be terrified. Simple solution is to text her "Hey girl... gonna call you at 12". (Do this at around 11.45).

    Then you call. If she doesn't pick up or call you back, she's not interested. Maximum information and respect gained.

    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I've noticed hot girls keep their phone on silent, they wouldn't hear the call. A woman that returns a call? Lol. A ring or a text tone is pointless if you're being pinged 100 times a day by many people on several apps. The stimulus doesn't catch your attention anymore.

    [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 38 points39 points  (7 children)

    The younger crowd on this sub isn't going to grasp all of this and will probably hamster and downvote you. But for me it is spot on. When I was in high school and early on in college Facebook hadn't gained traction yet, MySpace was still before its prime, so you still had to do things the old fashioned way for the most part. You had AIM and that was about it. Text messaging was just becoming a mainstream thing. Since I was a beta at the time, my approach would be to message girls on AIM before I had the courage to talk to them in person, and of course it never worked out and I would always be immediately friend zoned.

    I try to convey your points to losers on AskTRP who are always asking about how to game on social media.

    Unless a girl posts a photo of you or talks about you, NEVER EVER compliment/like any photo or status of hers. Don't even read her Snapchat stories that show shows who read them. Give her absolutely nothing. Merely existing is not praiseworthy. Being good looking is not an accomplishment. Never PM a woman unless you've approached or spoken in person and she expects your friend request.

    This needs to be blasted to every poster on AskTRP. They think that game is liking girls photos and randomly messaging girls they have never met before. They think this is a completely valid way to have success. I always tell them - what is going to make YOU stand out in a blue ocean of orbiters who are also trying to get her attention at the same time? If you are succeeding by doing this, you are going after low value women who have no male options or limited male options in their vicinity. Any high value women will not give the time of day to some random dude hitting them up on social media they have never met, because they have an army of dudes they have actually met in person whom they can select from instead.

    To many young men, even those here on TRP, have been brainwashed to think that they can use social media to pick up women. Wrong. You can use social media to help yourself with women you have already met, but you still have to do the legwork in person first.

    I still think its best to get off of social media in general. Be the mysterious guy without it.

    You must stop this. Most men are looking for validation in the form of female reciprocation of a stare. "Yay a woman acknowledged my existence as a sexual being."

    In my beta days this was me. I would validate a woman and get a "thank you" or something in return and be all giddy and excited, thinking I just moved one step closer to getting into her pants. The thing is, eventually you become desensitized to the thank yous, and you want more. You begin to validate her with more frequency as you become addicted to the dopamine spike and need quicker fixes. Then you try to escalate the situation and move away from validation and more toward trying to ask her out. But since you have already been shoved so deep into the friend zone, by the time you muster up the courage to do so you will get softly rejected.

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Haha this girl i was seeing would always get mad at me for not checking her Snapchat story. It wasn't even intentional - just didn't give a shit.

    It's pathetic how much women read into that

    [–]Arnoux 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I have never seen snapchat and i am just 25 years old. I am feeling old already

    [–]SoundSalad 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    I've pm'd a few dimes who I didn't know and had success. Of course most of the time you get ignored but it's a valid tactic considering how little time it takes.

    [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    I find it really hard to believe that you PM'ed a 10 who you had never met before and had success. 10s are probably drowning in endless attention and somehow she was able to wade through the wave of crap and find you the diamond in the rough?

    [–]1empatheticapathetic 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Anything is possible bro. Just because it doesn't conform to a logical norm doesn't mean it isn't possible. A girl I went to school with turned into a 10 or 9 after school and she had little to no orbiters on Facebook. Usually had between 5-10 likes per profile pic. I bet she was a whore in real life though once she turned her looks around (through lasik, losing some weight and growth spurt).

    [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    TLDR; Ignore her beauty. Only compliment during sex.

    This is an excellent insightful post. Can confirm that I'm guilty of head swiveling in the gym. I'm addicted to staring at booty. I'm going to have to practice disciplining myself to ignore girls at the gym. I have been failing miserably at this and need to refocus. My workouts will benefit more anyway. (Now this isn't to say you can't approach girls at the gym. I've been quite successful with it. I think dr warlock covered that in his post, "look at them only if you intend to open them.")

    [–]NibblyPig 114 points115 points  (36 children)

    Contradicts another wall of text that says don't give a fuck about who you look at and how long you look at them for, so long as you don't nervously avert your gaze like a beta when they look up at you.

    [–]1OneRedYear 123 points124 points  (9 children)

    It's almost like you have to take this stuff with a grain of salt, try it out and see what works for you. Like you might have to be a man and figure out your own plan and this stuff is just tips and guideposts and many times just ideas and theories.

    [–]1TrenGod37 23 points24 points  (1 child)

    Exactly. RP is a tool box, you take what works and throw out what doesn't. If you're Brad Pitt you can stare as long as you want. If you're a 3 with muscles you might not want to stare

    [–]NightShun 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    This. TRP has been analogized to a salad bar many times over the years. There's no one size, fits all "solution" here. You pick, choose and apply those pieces of knowledge to your situation as you deem fit.

    As with many new members on this sub, they want results without working. Trial, application, failure and eventually revision are how you determine what strategies are relevant to your unique situation.

    [–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    More like, you're confusing core tenants with anecdotal guidance.

    TRP prescribes one-size-fits-all directions for men: lift, get your finances in order, work on your mission, approach, you are the prize, women are like children, lead the interaction, etc.

    How long you stare at her isn't part of it, these are just tips on what one guy found to be helpful.

    None of the core tenants should be approached like a salad bar.

    [–]Canedude08 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Exactly, there are some key principles that everyone should understand, but you have to tailor fit your game to who you are as a person. If you can look at a woman and they get wet when you do so, then use that to your advantage. If your natural look weirds women out, then don't stare.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Or things aren't as binary as one would like them to be. Sometimes X is better than Y and you won't know for sure. Just follow your experience and your gut. Posts like these are a great way to learn from the experience of others. Women are like a paradox, that's why they are such insufferable cunts and men end up making crazy inventions and achieves extraordinary things no other mammal would.

    Women are impossible so the only way to get them is to do the impossible. It's a mind fuck. Hence why both OP's post and said wall of text are right and wrong. It's the female paradox.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's almost like these comments get old AF and op knows the point you're making but is simply making a better, more important point.

    Why don't you tell us where the equator is next? Thx boss for that sick perspective on life.

    [–]fromthecrypt8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Very well said. But OP does write that giving attention is fine as long as your intention is to approach and make contact.

    [–]dum_dum_boy 78 points79 points  (16 children)

    Purposely avoiding looking at women (even attractive ones) so as not to 'validate' them. Because this will make the man appear 'higher SMV' than the women.

    Just seems insecure. The male hamster at work, gentlemen.

    [–]Entrefut 23 points24 points  (4 children)

    I've made it a pretty strong habit to throw a girl a smirk and a wink/ smile if she catches me checking her out. The response from them is always hilarious, or incredibly awkward. Makes me realize just how few guys are actually capable of checking a girl out, locking eyes and then doing literally anything besides looking away. Definitely did take some practice though.

    [–]pugh88 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Agreed. Don't look if you're going to get caught and look away. Look at them if you want them to look back at you. There's nothing weird about it if you're just viewing it as entertainment.

    [–]Entrefut 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    I think the language we've used overtime has become so much softer. Too many guys are afraid of "getting caught" as if their attraction towards women is something they should feel ashamed of. In a way descriptive language has given birth to a whole other level of shaming. If our culture was more Lacedaemonian, focused on long drawn out actions rather than in depth explanations and words, I wonder if men would feel less shame for their actions and more confidence in their words. It's definitely something I'm aspiring to and every time I find myself rationalizing, reasoning as to why I should look or why I shouldn't, I realize I'm missing the point. There are no words to describe the lust men feel for women, because words and justifications complicate our feelings something fierce. Definitely the biggest take away I've had from TRP. Less words, less rationalization, less regret, less fear, more bravery, more action. The more you act, the more you are allowed to feel. It takes physical involvement to acquire anything you want, words rarely do the same.

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 23 points24 points  (6 children)

    Both aren't wrong, just not complete and slightly off. Why? Because there's no black and white this input has that output binary system, it's not programming an app, its human interaction and there's nuance involved. It's the most complex if this then that and maybe this you'll ever see, and the vast majority of it is nonverbal. Kinda puts socially inept and relatively blind spergs at a huge disadvantage.

    How did I fuck so many girls? Simple. I learned the body language and tells they all have by watching them interact with others. Just because she is talking to a guy or walking with him doesn't mean she's giving him the moist holes. You have to learn to read them, then you'll know if you should hold eye contact, or ignore her while talking to her ugly friend. Both work, both can fail, you never know exactly how she will react to a given input from you.

    This is why spergs fail, they don't bother to learn the language, instead they try to find the script they can put in to make it work. In the world of pussy, you guys are script kittys, no idea what, how or why the script does what it does, so when she throws you a curve, you're lost. Nowhere to go, your knowledge is tapped out.

    [–]aanarchist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    they try to do the same shit that got them an a in school, which is conformity. the red pill and conformity should never be found in the same sentence and yet somehow the 80% made the impossible possible.

    [–]MusicSports 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Are those body language and tells in the sidebar? I've read it but can't remember those parts. I've been trying to learn about male and female body language that I can implement but I can't find the right things to read. Is it somewhere in the rational male?

    [–]adam_varg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Nope. Its in mandatory reading selection.

    "What every body is saying" as number one.

    When you are done with that read "Charisma myth".

    In these two books is everything you need to know for mastering non verbal communication whatever your goals are.

    [–]MusicSports 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Thank you I'll get those ASAP

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        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Exactly. If I see a stunner I stare at her however fucking long I want. If she gives me an IOI, great. If she doesn't, oh well. The point is, I decide how and when I stare, speak or behave. It's this aura of confidence that is attractive, not pretending you don't see her. MANY women interpret you ignoring them as... just that - ignoring them. They'll think you're gay or not interested. Any human with a set of testicles figures out a way to get what they want, directly.

        [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        We're more interested if it contradicts anything from your experience.

        Go out and get some. Then report back.

        [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Thats how we sort this shit out. Guys post shit, and eventually, we find trends.

        Like puppet says, stop looking at this like a value leech, it's meant to give us tools to give value to the other guys. Mission focus

        [–]redpillrobby 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Correct. In my experience, the best practice is to stare, don't smile, and when she makes REAL eye contact (i.e. she stares for longer than a second or two back), wink. Then look away.

        God I love the wink.

        [–]SuwinTzi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        They're not mutually exclusive, which one you use is situational to you.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I love these massive TRP posts about things as trivial as 'don't stare at women.' This is such a surface level bit of advice. It is nonsense. Dudes that come to this subreddit want and need foundation level knowledge about the smp and real motivation to actually improve themselves. Don't stare at women because they might think you're interested is fucking stupid advice.

        What OP should have done is explained the way an alpha man with his priorities intact would behave in social settings and how a thirsty, insecure beta would behave. Then describe how women interpret what they see.

        This post is utter shit.

        [–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        If you're genuinely good looking, you can stare (as long as you keep a straight, serious face, do not look like a horndog)

        If you're unattractive, staring will make them uncomfortable.

        [–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        No its not contradictory. You can prolong a stare no fucks given if your LOOKS exceed the 80th percentile.

        If not,withold your attention.otherwise you are another notch on her validation belt

        [–]Cryxtalix 10 points11 points  (5 children)

        What if i have deleted just about every social media account I have? For no real reason, I just wanted to find out how it would feel to be without social media, besides forums like reddit. Feels good so far turning down people's requests to add me anywhere. Should I re-activate my FB account just to have "situational awareness"?

        [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 29 points30 points  (1 child)

        Social media is like a gun, it's a great tool if used correctly. Just don't shoot yourself in the foot.

        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I like the way you put that.

        [–]10xdada 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        Social media is a performance. If you are not committed to the competition, stay off it until you understand what it takes to win and are ready to invest what it takes.

        [–]6d65746164656c7461 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        This is a good point by /u/0xdada and /u/dr_warlock. Social media can be very good if you play it to your strengths. It is a tool to signal high SMV. That's why every guide about creating a successful online dating profile focus on what pictures and information you put on it. Post some pics showing an adventurous life, a great body, nice hobbies, a high status social circle and maybe some wealth (debatable), and women that atribute themselves a lower SMV than yours will start chasing you. Even though I recognize that women don't have a clue about their real SMV.

        [–]10xdada 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Not sure that captures the context. I'd argue that unless you are 95th percentile, social media (fb, instagram) works against you.

        Here's a rule of thumb: If you can't deadlift 2x your body weight and don't have less than 12% body fat, don't do social media; UNLESS, you are already have at least 2 plates who know about each other personally, OR you have a) a netjets card, b) an actual supercar, or c) your band is scheduled to play coachella and you aren't just the drummer, or you are the patriarch of a sex cult at burning man.

        [–]APSTNDPhy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        So is idling, oogling celebrities. They're just another over valued schmuck. Sure, watch your favourite sports player do his thang. But it stops there. You don't need his autograph. You don't need to see what he wears on the red carpet.

        You don't give a fuck about the best brick layer or architect, you don't worship them. Why someone who can throw or kick a ball? Any such worship of so called celebrities just makes you a blue pill beta Kardashian generation bitch.

        [–]Pinkmistiscool 21 points22 points  (6 children)

        Solid post and I 100% agree on the social media validation. Women are like damn heroin addicts on that shit. That said, one thing struck me to ask of u/dr_warlock... If every single man reading this post immediately followed your advice and shut off the validation faucet, wouldn't that be the equivalent of trying to keep the Titanic from sinking by giving 10% of the male passengers a Dixie cup to bail water with? I mean it seems likely that women get more than enough validation from the hordes of "betas" for lack of a better term, so is it even worth trying to right the SMP? Maybe I missed your overall point about validation culture and SMP but I can't help but think that there's no going back. A 5 that is validated into believing she is a 7 is never going to believe otherwise. The hamster will never allow it. Just my 2 cents.

        [–]MuhRedPillAccount 23 points24 points  (3 children)

        I think you're right that the marketplace is fucked up beyond what a handful of guys can fix by liking fewer pictures on facebook. But the advice here is more about, "You aren't going to stand out by being another random guy commenting on a picture. If anything, you are begging to be put into the 'just another random guy' category by doing that."

        I mean, for example, I follow a number of pro athletes on social media. I don't ever send them DM's because why would I? I'm just admiring what they do from afar. That's the relationship paradigm you define with any woman you find attractive if you are a guy who exists to favorite/like all of her pictures of her looking halfway decent. You're a fan, she's the celebrity.

        I wouldn't expect LeBron to suddenly message me and ask to hangout this weekend because I favorite his stuff on Instagram. Why would we expect that shit to work on women?

        [–]Pinkmistiscool 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        I totally agree with your point here. I think I was reading this post with too broad of vision. Maybe the post was made to be more about the personal level as you explained. My comment was just something that hit me while reading this post... The SMP has been utterly and irrevocably fucked by the sheer ease of social media validation and there ain't a damn thing Red Pill can do but sit back and enjoy the decline... It's pretty sad if you're old enough to remember a time before social media.

        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Adapt, overcome, learn something new, don't worry about the smp being irrevocably fucked, it's the same add it ever was, only now it's faster. A 7 is still a 7, a 4 still a 4, no matter how much attention they get from thirsty fucks.

        I learned game almost 20 years before the internet, guess what, it still works. I don't even bother with Facebook to meet girls, if i add them there it means I'm not interested in fucking them for whatever reason. I don't add her, well I probably want to fuck her and that time will come around.

        [–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I mean, for example, I follow a number of pro athletes on social media. I don't ever send them DM's because why would I? I'm just admiring what they do from afar. That's the relationship paradigm you define with any woman you find attractive if you are a guy who exists to favorite/like all of her pictures of her looking halfway decent. You're a fan, she's the celebrity. I wouldn't expect LeBron to suddenly message me and ask to hangout this weekend because I favorite his stuff on Instagram. Why would we expect that shit to work on women?

        this this this

        Although now Im really tempted to do this the next time the Cavaliers are in Toronto.

        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        You can't right the ship, all you can do is get yours while you can. Don't concern yourself with others, you can't make them change, fuck the dumb bastards will fight you not to change. Fight the battles you have a chance of winning, avoid the rest.

        You want to stand out from the horde of betas? Don't do what they do. I get pussy by not being nice, not giving them attention, and sure as fuck only limited validation with none until they've swallowed a few loads of mine. They're here for my amusement, not as a prize for me to win. Get yours, who gives a fuck what others do?

        [–]Tiway22 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        This is autist AF. Stare at the floor or wall at the gym? Dont look at women? Look straight ahead?

        The fuck are you smoking mate.

        [–]MaxwellGaine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        i agree. Just makes you look like a lonely weirdo.

        You'd be better off finding another gym bro to talk to, let her see you joking around with him and everyone else. Then you have value instead of being the weird dude obviously trying to ignore her.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Genius post, this had to be discussed and it's one of the most important subjects right now. Understand what has fucked up women. Understand that this is female nature hyper charged. Modern men are asked to go above and beyond the call of duty. That's why most beta's check out, it's to much. But not for A-type guys.

        Also you are right about the glances. It's hard to not check a girl out at the gym. Especially if they are fishing for attention. I try to limit it to a casual check up. Personally I don't think i'm getting into blue waters by eyeing her ass, tits, face when it's almost in my face. Just that one should make sure to be relaxed and look away normally. Don't look and then quickly away or stare like an idiot. Just look around paying equal attention to everything. Perhaps her butt gets a nano second more. You might disagree OP I don't know.

        It's definitely hard to control because at some moments you're just aching. Even if you've just banged that morning. The good news is that women you pass by, you will never meet again and you won't register anyway because women only acknowledge guys who they are constantly exposed to. So if you one day do get around her odds are she doesn't remember shit and neither will you. If you are at the gym most of your attention should be on working out. But it can get very hard.

        She thinks because her options have increased, it must be because her SMV increased, but that's not true. Socioeconomic status doesn't increase her SMV, it just places her in closer proximity to higher status guys. Now you have a bunch of 5's thinking they're 7's and so forth

        I've seen this happen time and time again. With one of my exes and even a plate I had. They both thought their SMV had grown because they attention whored more on social media. Next both tried to actually get into a relationship with a guy and they couldn't even land some higher value beta. It was hilarious. All the big talk in the world thinking their hot shit but some skinny guy preferred celibacy over obligated contact. Women's illusions of high smv end the moment they ask for commitment just like men's illusions end the moment they close the porn tab and actually talk to a girl.

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        This post is shit because instead of expressing yourself and the SMP reflecting back your smv, you're trying to inflate your perception of your smv by pretending you don't give a shit. This is the very definition of hamstering.

        Showing interest in women by making eye contact is the first step in removing her panties.

        What you're doing here is creating a buffer. A buffer is essentially an excuse for you to avoid rejection.

        If your goal is to have that girl sitting on your face later tonight, the only way to achieve that is by showing her you're interested. Showing her you're a sexual being who wants to buy what she is selling. The very act of initiating conversation is giving validation, true. But without giving that small gift to her, you're not giving her the opportunity to give the gift of her validation (and eventually her pussy) back to you. You must extend an olive branch in order to receive one back.

        ANY philosophy or perspective or knowledge which you use to justify inaction is a form of the elusive hamster. It is a protection mechanism to avoid rejection. Why is rejection good? Because it allows you to face the truth about your SMV in the SMP. This bit of information is fucking critical in that it becomes the motivation you use when you're at the bottom of your last squat of your last set. It is the pain your ego uses to improve yourself and become more effective at surviving and reproducing. Without it, you're comfortable and eventually become very uncomfortable when the real struggles of life make a return.

        [–]strikethrough123 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        I agree with all your social media points, however I have some qualms with your other points.

        Who gives a shit about staring down a woman you'll probably never going to see again? Stare her the fuck down I say. At worst she'll look at you with disgust and life goes on, at best she'll smile and stop for conversation. Going out of your way to avoid staring at women is ridiculous, there is absolutely no benefit to be gained. I used to do this all the time, I used to pretend that I didn't find women attractive and treat them like another dude and it got me absolutely zero pussy and got me friendzoned. I am a sexual being, and if I find a woman attractive I won't pretend like I chopped off my balls.

        [–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I honestly think OPs post is more advanced than for beginners. It's helpful for me to look at women to see if they consider me a sexual being at all. I'm still working through what you've just mentioned and even a woman holding eye contact with me gives me some idea that they may be interested opposed to zero women being interested in me.

        OP is assuming the guy involved has his shit together and is ignoring the benefits to the guy by just making eye contact with a woman who may not know if he has any value or not.

        [–]Soberskipper 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Fucking gold.

        I miss 1999.

        Large up yourself for a quality post.

        [–]DynamicPressure 8 points9 points  (6 children)

        Always talk to attractive women like they're not hot. Even sometimes like they're a dude.

        This is so true. They cannot stand having a guy that doesn't pay them compliments or even acknowledges them sexually. It gets to the point that they show their hand by shit testing you to prompt you into revealing your intent. I've experienced several varied reactions in conversation;

        1.) She'll abruptly question your sexuality:

        Her: "Are you gay?"

        Me: "Why do you ask?"

        Her: "You're well dressed, attractive, and well I figured..."

        Me: "I'm whatever you want me to be."

        Her: "(laughs) Good answer."

        2.) She'll imply that you have a girlfriend.

        Her: "You must not be single."/"You seem like the girlfriend type."

        Me: "My girlfriends would agree with you."/ "You're right, they can't keep their hands off me."

        Translation: I detect no thirst in you. You're too comfortable and nonchalant around me. You must either be gay or have a girl/get some already. You aren't pressed for my attention since I'm the best thing since sliced bread after all. Let me see if I can prompt a reaction outta you...

        [–]imbeciI 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I find it funny when they assume I must be the one with a condition. Sorry babe, it's not me: IT'S YOU.

        [–]Barvazon 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Social media has ruined many many people's ability to communicate. They're afraid of the 'responsibility' implied when calling or answering a phone call.

        Sad, but true. I had this OKC girl giving me her number. When I called she texted me that she's too anxious to pick up.

        [–]ShavedApel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        it's rediculous, I had the same thing happen to me but with a girl I met in real life who offered me her number.

        [–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        Texting is shit because it is hard to keep frame control. A woman can get distracted by real life stuff and neglect to reply. Then she looks at the conversation and sees how rarely she replies and thinks she must not be THAT into you.

        You need to do some of the same. Head straight to purpose, especially at the gym. Never check out women at the gym. Stare at the wall, the floor, into space or yourself in the mirror. I promise you, you will never get laid by staring at a woman. She just goes "teehee, i got a glance , I win" and disregards you.

        In the gym last week I was looking at two hot girls who started doing hip thrusts right in front of me while I was deadlifting. I was looking at them on and off. I turn to look at them again after 5 minutes of stuff. Blonde is looking right at me in the eye. I hold the stare. We look each other in the eye for a solid 6 seconds (very very long when you are doing it) and then she broke the stare and looked away and down. I won and could be as forward as I wanted towards her while I talked about her form and got her phone number to text this great youtube video full of pointers.

        If you are attractive then staring at a girl is like giving them an IOI. They will then give you a shit test of some sort. Only when you fail that shit test will you be considered a creep for staring in the first place. This is the rule I learnt myself from eye fucking girls a lot and experimenting. And I'm probably a 7 or 8 out of ten. If you are ugly then any form of staring might be creepy.

        [–]Wissenschaft85 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Long story short:

        Social media is for women seeking constant empty validation. Throw it out the window and do something productive with your time. You want to stare at women then do it in person. Maybe even talk to them. But don't waste your days away looking at pretty pictures of women.

        [–]NeoreactionSafe 17 points18 points  (50 children)

         

        This is generic advice but just think of the Whore of Babylon:

         

        https://sites.google.com/site/romethegreatwhoreofbabylon/_/rsrc/1467897016916/home/whore%20drink.jpg

         

        This image is amusing because they added the priest guy. (copy / paste)

        The things you should never do are:

         

        • Never look "up" to women. (pedestal)

        • Never support the Family Court system (beast) she rides upon.

        • Never give women riches. (beta bucks)

        • Never validate her beauty.

        • Never support a religion that affirms the Whore of Babylon.

        • Never support Feminism.

         

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          [–]randarrow 5 points6 points  (9 children)

          One is treating a woman as cattle, the other is allowing women to decide how you treat them. This might be the same in many contexts, but grouping them together is counter productive.

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            [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            All religions are cults. Doesn't matter if there's millions in it or two people. Read my previous comment for clarification

            [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            IIRC the word 'cult' was created by a Jew (pre-christianity), referring to any non-jewish religion made up of [insert low number] of members and more. Regardless of the who and when, it's a shaming term.

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              [–]spunkblaster90000 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Well not really, you'll still have been subjected to all kinds of mind fuckery (bearded sky dudes and resurrections and all that jazz) from the get go, so that's a huge unnecessary drain on your potential as you need to process this mental dissonance.

              [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              That whooshing sound was the thing you missed. Religion seeks to control men, make them subservient, obedient, bow to a supposedly "higher" power. Feminism seeks the same thing, except that you're supposed to be subservient, obedient, and bow for girls rather than a mythical sky daddy.

              They're fitting together ever more now, gone are the days where a girl is considered property, which I gotta admit is fucked up to own someone. Well at least in western religion, Islam still has that shit, but also put pussy on a pedestal by requiring marriage before you fuck it. Hiding girls as if they're some grand prize to be won and then finally get your dick wet, but you can treat her kinda like shit to make her behave for your beta ass.

              Back to the point, feminism uses the same tactics as religion, and every other ideology not based in reality. Shout louder than the other people, use shame as a weapon of control, tout themselves as a higher moral standard, and work to enact laws to prohibit speaking out against the lunacy and irrationality of it all. The only weapons you have are those,, coupled with fear, surprise, and a fanatical dedication to the pope, when your ideology odd not grounded in reality, but rather it wishes to impose its will on reality and make it benefit them at your expense.

              [–]tteabag2591 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Religion seeks to control men, make them subservient, obedient, bow to a supposedly "higher" power.

              Religions may have been taken to that extreme throughout history but the idea wasn't to make them subservient to any other man. The idea was to promote respect in the ultimate dominance hierarchy. The hierarchy with nature/god at the top which man is always subservient to whether he likes it or not. Recognizing that fact is the first step in existential humility.

              Sure religion sought control and obedience but the justification for that was on point in my opinion. People are animals by nature and savage as fuck when they don't cooperate in groups to create a civil society. Religion was a necessity in the past. Now it's just out of date on the objective front. The facts are off sometimes but the prescriptive truths found in the myths are amazingly accurate at describing human behavior patterns.

              I'm not saying religion was a perfect answer to the human condition but it IS responsible for western civilization which has been arguably the best civilization to date. To conflate the goals of shittier ideologies with traditional patriarchal religions is a mistake in my book. We owe much of today's pleasures to those religions. My only real point here is that you don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water. There was at least SOMETHING true about prescriptive religious truths. That's why they worked so well. I fully admit that some of them may not be advantageous to us in modern times but human sexuality needed to be controlled because we were too stupid and impulsive to do it on an individual basis.

              [–]randarrow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I missed nothing, group think and logical fallacies are often used to control people. Everyone seeking to manipulate others uses the same techniques. Grouping together is false equivalence and makes groupings worthless.

              Both religion and feminism seek to exploit young men and enslave young women, just like communism, fascism....

              Religion looks back, in some ways feminism looks forward. Religion is mostly a patriarchy, feminism is mostly matriarchy. Religion mixes elements of ignorance and knowledge, feminism mixes ignorance with conjecture.

              Fighting back is a MGTOW/men's rights thing. I'm more of a nihilist.

              [–]NeoreactionSafe 4 points5 points  (13 children)

               

              The Catholic church is basically 100% Feminist now.

              So yeah... same thing.

               

              [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Passed by a church today that had a sign that said God accepts trannies too. Pathetic.

              [–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

               

              As Eric Dollard would say:

               

              • "Liars are easy to figure out. Take everything they say and multiply it by negative one."

               

              Inversion is the magician's trick.

               

              [–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (10 children)

              wtf really? that's pretty fucked, or i guess cucked would be a better expression.

              [–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (9 children)

               

              It's worse than that...

              There literally was a cocaine fueled gay homosexual orgy that was going on inside the Vatican that was busted by the police recently. A high ranking church member was participating.

              The Catholic church is gone... "Peter the Roman":

               

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

               

              [–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (7 children)

              so in 2 popes the church will die. it's a good thing to be honest, peoples believe has to evolve and become closer to the truth, the mythology needs to go. i had people arguing with me the other day over some nonsense about jesus and christianity. i'm like i know more about these peoples religions than they'll ever know, i know more about god than they'll ever know, i'm a better "christian" than they'll ever be. their delusion is just astounding like how can a person be so devoid of curiosity, of intelligence.

              [–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (6 children)

               

              No, read...

               

              In recent times some interpreters of prophetic literature have drawn attention to the prophecies due to their imminent conclusion; if the list of descriptions is matched on a one-to-one basis to the list of historic popes since the prophecies' publication, Benedict XVI (2005–13) would correspond to the second to last of the papal descriptions, Gloria olivae (the glory of the olive).[15] The longest and final prophecy predicts the Apocalypse. (Peter the Roman is Pope Francis)

               

              Remember that Apocalypse means "the Truth is revealed".

              It's now... we are in the Apocalypse (Red Pill Wake Up) now.

               

              [–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (5 children)

              i actually just learned that in a mark passio podcast the other day, what the apocalypse means. the metaphysical destruction of the world, or as you'd say the destruction of the mythology that is the blue pill. i feel kinda slow watching podcasts that he made like 6 years ago. i was still barely learning about red pill when he was doing podcasts. better late than never i guess? i wasted way too much time being salty over how fucked the world was and awalts and brooding over how retarded most people at trp seemed to be despite knowing things about how the world worked. i don't even know when i started looking beyond or why, it just started to happen on its own and started increasing in pace in the recent few months. i always feel like i'm behind on things and need to play catch up so i end up rushing and making mistakes. maybe everything is happening in the order and pace as it should?

              [–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (4 children)

               

              Realize the whole world is waking up.

              This is a global Apocalypse... a world wide wake up.

              And the Globalist Tyranny does not want us to wake up and will do as many false flag initiated wars as is necessary to stop us including triggering WWIII.

              These Russian sanctions are designed to bring about WWIII.

               

              [–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              i was about to follow up with i'm worried about my future. i will not be a military pawn. (i'm actually from europe so my family would have a fit at the idea of me fighting for america lol). either way no matter which nation has a call to arms, i will refuse. i'm not sure how war time went down in wwii but i'm assuming that most cities were relatively peaceful, just less men around. maybe would be a good idea to get away from major cities in case of bombings. is trump warmongering or no? they're trying to make him seem like some sort of extremist but honestly i don't believe anything anyone says in any of this meme war nonsense, it's all part of the circus act to me.

              [–]mmishu 1 point2 points  (22 children)

              Never validate her beauty.

              So what do you say when you're approaching a girl?

              [–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (21 children)

               

              Say something that taps into her subconscious mind.

              Validation only makes you appear "below" her... it has no real value.

               

              [–]mmishu 1 point2 points  (20 children)

              Would you care to provide an example?

              [–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (19 children)

               

              Say or ask something.... watch for a reaction... read what she is saying.

              Think where her mind is focused.

              Say something that speaks to that.

              Scripts are meaningless. Don't memorize an "opener" because they aren't needed.

              Just wing it... honestly... just say whatever to get things going, but be quick to pick up how she reacts. Get inside her head.

              That Titanic movie reference is good.

              Notice how Jack figures out Rose... you need to do that.

              For a dialog example just watch that movie.

               

              [–]muvb 2 points3 points  (17 children)

              so you don't actually have an example that you've used in real life, got it.

              [–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (16 children)

               

              Not one I wish to share.

              I'm only 56 years old and have few life experiences to draw from.

              Most of my life has been spent in a bubble.

              (kidding)

               

              Think of Jack in the Titanic movie... less typing for me.

               

              [–]muvb 1 point2 points  (15 children)

              so you have no real experience but you're still giving advice

              well, thats about par for the course in this sub

              [–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (14 children)

               

              You didn't get the joke then.

              My point is I only go my way on things... as the leader of my life.

              So when I feel like writing a short story I'll write one and do a lot here... jeez... I've written thousands of words on this sub.

              If someone asks me to "perform a trick for me" I'm going to say "Fuck You" and say no.

              Masculinity (and MGTOW) means you aren't seeking approval from others... I'm not seeking approval.

              You can hate me, fear me, laugh at me.... whatever you want to do and I'll still be durable and hold my own.

              The Trivium Method goes:

               

              • Open minded on evidence.

              • Close minded on thinking.

              • Share your wisdom.

               

              When two people don't get into a friendly mood (as we are not friends now) the thing to do it walk away.

              Otherwise it's two guys (or one guy and a girl as is your case) getting into a fight.

              Wisdom is not shared with those who are not "close enough" to be able to communicate.

               

              [–]muvb 1 point2 points  (13 children)

              still no examples, got it

              also lmao @ the rest, keep your masturbating to yourself thx :)

              [–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              should i not be drinking from the cup of wine they give me during the service?

              [–]Starter91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              This saddens me , i am just starting figuring out that women only need attention. They don't need anything else in this world. Its all about validation , attention and social status. Its pathetic.

              [–]DadOnDabs 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              Solid post. We need more content like this.

              [–]batavianguy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              I get your post, I agree with some points. On the other side, I think it depends on your SMV. The higher it is, the better game you get.

               

              A lot of my hookups or relationships began with me staring at them, them staring back at me giggling etc. Ofc I also continue with approaches, but it doesn't mean 'prolonged stare' is a fuck up. They will respond if they're attracted to you. Then again, perhaps our local culture is different.

              Then, the initial successes of social media PMs depend purely on physical sexual appeal. Of course 100 guys will message her daily but if your physical sexual appeal is so apparent and winning above 99 other guys, you'd stand out and she will respond back at you. Then, if you know how to talk, she'd be all for getting to know you more.

              I once dated an amateur 9/10 model with thousands of followers on IG, dozens of orbiting admirers, and a handful pathetic beta pursuers who went after her begging and sobbing for years. we first met and talked on social media. I stood out of the other creeps, stalkers, and random dudes that PMed her as well. Their smv are lower and they talk like someone programmed a blender to talk : bland and tasteless. I also met my current LTR in social media. And yes, too, she had daily orbiters and I stood out.

              I first met and PMed a lot of my plates, before continuing with meet ups and approaches. Of course it doesn't always work, i failed many times also by iniating in social media and of course a lot of my encounters didn't begin in social media.

              My point is it depends in your physical SMV and your conversational skills and simply increasing your SMV through physicall apearances and photographic skills will do wonders to get them responding. Then, your conversational skills will determine the rest of it.

              [–]whuttupfoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I agree somewhat. But some of this is a little extreme. A social media like really means nothing. If you like every single one of a girl's pictures everyday then yes, you look like a chode, especially if you leave emoji comments. But if you sit there and like something here and there then it's not that big of a deal. Just don't like shit where she's showing tits and ass and other sexual photos. Like her cloud pictures.

              Same with snapchat stories, they've got so many viewers that they wouldn't even notice your name in there. Just as long as you aren't the first person to show up in her viewers list almost every day, it's fine. If you're on your shit, you probably only open snapchat to post anyway and don't even look at anyone's story.

              [–]menial_optimist 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              I make a point not to check women out all the time, despite how thirsty I am. You're right about the validation seeking behaviours/dress. The other day at the gym this short haired girl, pretty good looking, got into a doggy style pose while cleaning up the mat near me, and she knew I was the only one there. It was way over exaggerated and she stretched her whole pubic aea upwards mid-pose. Her seethrough white pants gave me a full glimpse of her tightened thong.

              I'm pretty sure she had zero interest in me and didn't really give two fucks, but as you pointed out, it was done for sexual validation. Do they do this consciously or unconsciously? Is she thinking "Omg watch this I'm gonna give him a full view", then subtly gauge the reaction and get some sort of high from it?

              [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Do they do this consciously or unconsciously? Is she thinking "Omg watch this I'm gonna give him a full view", then subtly gauge the reaction and get some sort of high from it?

              Both. All people have thoughts and feelings that they'd feel ashamed of articulating.

              "Omg watch this I'm gonna give him a full view", then subtly gauge the reaction and get some sort of high from it?

              This would one of those kinds of thoughts minus the getting a high from it portion. They'll never admit because it doesn't sound secure. I wasn't there so I couldn't give you advice, but when in doubt, assume validation-seeking only, especially at the gym. It sounds retarded to us men, the thought to flaunt yourself sexually without intention of escalation and rejecting anyone who approached you in response to said flaunting. But it is what it is.

              [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I make a point not to check women out all the time

              that is why you fail my friend. don't just check them out, show them that you're interested as well. like you're giving them the approval from a high authority figure. bitches love approval. go to a club and observe the "barbaric" eastern europeans if you have in your area. american dudes don't stand a chance.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Good post, I think it's really a sign of what men have become that whenever you see a chick posting up a sexy pic online there's 30000 dudes like "I wanna shove my ass so deep in your ass" and "baby here's my number call me I'm a good guy I'll treat you right fuck these fuckbois"

              There's two rules of dealing with girls who know they are hot. (Online or in the real world).

              First, if she knows she's hot, don't mention it and ignore it completely. Second, if you get caught staring / perving, you have to own it.

              If you're going to eye fuck her titties and she catches you, smile like a kid with his hand caught in the cookie jar. If she asks you are you looking at, say she knows damn well what you're looking at and continue the conversation. A lot of guys take the "don't act like she's hot" way too far and turn into Mr Asexual aloof guy.

              Online, the only way to get laid is for her to choose you. I've gotten laid from chicks initiating convos with me, matching with me on tinder, liking my posts, etc, and the commonality is they always had taken some kind of first step. It's her market, that's just the red pill here - you have to showcase as much value as you can, put in front of bitches, and if they bite, then you try to close. There's literally no point spamming, this isn't like 00s era OKcupid, you taking the initiative is beta because you're heaping on validation before she's done shit for you (like OP said).

              It's funny how no matter how the marketplace changes, or what platform we use, betas are still out there giving out free validation. Whether it's buying up drinks and paying cover fees to get rejected by women at a club, making the owners a nice buck, or giving Zuck & Speigel's stock a boost by providing user activity while throwing validation at millions of average women... betas ALWAYS find a way to service the needs of alphas and women.

              Stop serving other people's interests, be it women or corporations. You can get laid in these selective online venues and real world venues (high end clubs, etc) after you are in the top 5%. Otherwise just don't bother, stop playing the game. There's nothing there for you - there is nothing on Tinder or Instagram for an average 6 male with a little belly and no muscle.

              There is a reason PUA worked despite the cringey shit. You want to demonstrate higher value than her either by inflating your value (DHV through stories and microbehaviors) or reduce her perceived value through negs. Or both. This works - her value needs to go down, yours needs to go up. This is fact, this is the cornerstone of all seduction. But when betas get around attractive women, their first instinct is to say "here, let me give your value a boost and nuke my value, so it's super extra clear that I'm down here and you're up there."

              This to me is the defining characteristics of betas and why the term "cuck" has taken off in 2016. People realize that most men are sacrificing their own interests to serve female or corporate or governmental interests, and betas are servicing and improving the lives of chads and their thots, while digging a deeper hole for themselves. That is what the essence of being a cuck is all about, it's like "here, let me service your needs and don't worry, you don't have to give me anything in return, it's my job to be of service."

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

              Your post is accurate, all encompassing and spot on, but it is waay too long. You need reduce the word count. It is simple, don't chase, be someone who is worthy of being chased. You break down the minutiae without showing the way in simple form. Less is more (having said all of that your post is solid, thorough and useful, I just think a summary would be more effective)

              [–]whuttupfoo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              Random tidbit but do you know of any good websites, courses, or YouTube channels that help you improve your writing?

              [–]2mbillion 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Get a copy of strunk and white elements of style. Six bucks on Amazon. Is the Seminole stylistic guide to polished writing

              [–]Questionnaire7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Trying to explain to my friends why they shouldn't do this is hilarious

              [–]Entrefut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I'm young, younger than some of the girls I do this to. To be honest I only really like to do it in places where I'm not going to approach and hit on her. Practice a bit in places you don't really care about. Honestly my favorite was in the car. If I saw another girl driving look at me, I'll smirk and wink. There's no downside, low anxiety and there isn't even a guarantee she'll see you. Just be aware, you need to be at the higher level of SMV to do it in certain places. The gym is definitely one of the ones that can be really creepy if you aren't high smv.

              [–]TehJimmyy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Should i delete facebook?

              I always log in every time to see if someone messages me or there is a new notification. I only have 20 friends ( deleted my old account) to none i talk anymore ( just 2-3 of them) and i think its wrong i made a new one.

              Only reason i use it is because of a group that posts announcements and lectures notes for my university or urgent announcements.

              [–]Subtletorious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              If you are asking yourself that question the answer is probably yes.

              I don't use Fakebook but I believe there is a way of making a page very private so it can be used for receiving info without attention whoring. Delete all personal info out of your profile as well.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              It's amazing how much things changed. I remember not long ago asking a girl out over text was a pussy move and you always called. Now it's seen as creepy to call (assuming millennial aged women) and it's better to text

              Agree with all points though. Don't like or comment Facebook/instagram. It's pathetic

              [–]TehJimmyy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I was pussying out approaching a girl who gave me IOI's everytime i seen her. Then one day i adder her on facebook and asked her out and she rejected me. And i wondered why she was cruel.

              Now we see it all

              [–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              what's head swiveling it sounds funny. i'm thinking of like one of those black girls who bob their head to the side while making sassy sounds.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              tl;dr. it's a Black Mirror episode. Brevity is the soul of wit, beta man.

              [–]breathintoyourballs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I don't agree with the part when you said " do not bother to call women nowadays " its the best way to save your time !, from my experience women that are interested in me after i get them number i just wait few days and give them a call guess what they pick up the phone and even sound happy and thank me for the call but those who aren't interested in me they don't pick up the phone , they still text back since texting doesn't require investment ( time&energy) however i just stop texting them since i have a life and goals that require my focus .

              [–]1RPAlternate42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              If you see a picture on social media of a hot girl, say, "she's hot."

              But don't type it and send it.

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              [–]Starter91 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              That's why many men opt out entirely or go to hookers. I don't all the struggle i would have to go through just to maybe get laid. And then get chainsawed constantly if i am lucky enough to be in relationship. Look how your daughter refers to men as creeps and losers . Alive human being self aware This is just sad.

              [–]grandaddychimp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Calling women today is now "weird". Doesn't matter what you think about how it 'separates you from everyone else'. She most likely wont pick up. Don't bother unless she's your gf. Calling is not as validating as it used to be. Now you're just a drop in the validation/stimulus bucket. By waiting for or answering your call, she's not gaining any extra dopamine spikes as opposed to all the other stimuli. Detached non-in person communication is better.

              I disagree with that. If you're attractive, calling women will put her on her toes and make her uncomfortable because not many people have the balls to do it. When an attractive guy makes a girl uncomfortable, that = tingles.

              [–]CHIPPENDALESIXNINE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Entire post is basically saying don't look at or approach women. Complete opposite of what this side has been preaching.

              [–]oscarkool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Yeah no just another post written by a beta who thinks social media is a problem.

              Fact: social media is here to stay. Either evolve and learn to master it, or get yourself a bride from a 3rd world country.

              Its so easy to get girls on social media IF you have a life and know how to counter all the silly things these girls say lol. 99% of guys like the OP cant do this. If you can, the girl will instantly be interested in you. You're the one guy out of all the others that can counter.

              The game is easier now than ever before.

              [–]tolerantman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Great post, that wall of China anaolgy is fucking genius.

              [–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 1 point2 points  (5 children)

              How do you know you will be approaching her if you don't even look her way?

              [–]Htowngetdown 6 points7 points  (2 children)

              He's just saying not to scan the room, unless your intention is to approach. You can scan the room, lock eyes, then approach, sure. Plus not everything is a hard and fast rule. For example, a girl I didn't know well added me on Snapchat, I sent her a selfie, and she asked for my number 2 messages later.

              I agree with the sentiment of this post though. When I'm exercising I see 80% of dudes with their jaws on the floor whenever a woman is around. Girls expect you to look too, and when you don't they definitely wonder why you didn't.

              [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              edit: added to post

              It should be noted doing a quick/periodic scan of the room for situational awareness is not what I'm talking about. That should always be done.

              Ask yourself, if you the knew your location was 100% dudes and that wasn't going to change anytime soon, how would you act? Would you scan the room? No, you wouldn't. You'll catch yourself doing it without thinking; it's instinctual, specifically if you're not getting any or not around women a lot.

              [–]Htowngetdown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Also thanks for the post. I needed to hear this, especially the part about not treating IOI's as "closing."

              "Muh alpha eye contact." You nailed me on that one haha

              [–]SimkinZA 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              There are other ways of finding her for the approach. Proximity and mirrors are a great way of doing this.

              [–]anon35202 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Being afraid that she might judge you and tip-toing is blue pill. Looking her way and shrinking after her brow flare is blue pill. Looking her way and showing zero emotion after her brow flare is red pill. Women want a man they can't control with a flick of their finger or a wiggle of their skin between eyebrow and eye.

              [–]SamuraiPizzaCatz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I'd add this to your list: Don't talk to women.

              Talking to women gives them the ultimate validation that you acknowledge her existence and are focused on her and only her. If a woman asks you a question in public, you should immediately walk away with an expression like something just caught your eye. If a woman shows interest in you and says hi to you, you should just ignore her and immediately go to the gym to work on your bod, then come on TRP to learn more about game.

              But don't, and I repeat DON'T, give women any form of attention period or they will have an ego so large that 80/20 will turn to 99/1. Even shit like "Help! I'm going into anaphylactic shock!". Ignore it; It's a shit test aimed to test whether or not you're alpha.

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              [–]1TrenGod37 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Yes for us physically attractive men who know how to make our profiles look good. we can DM and end up getting laid sometimes. Used to Do it all the time. But if you don't have the looks it ain't going to happen. Then this post is for you.

              [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              and /u/freshaf69

              If your strategy ain't broke, don't fix it.

              [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              You got laid by liking a girls IG? How does that happen? Like a pic and she replies with "hai babbuu wanna fuuk?" It sounds like you are hiding allot of shit inbetween that probably had more to do with than a stupid like.

              [–]Hltchens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              We had letters going left to right, top to bottom arranged in chunks for the numeric pad.

              Who do you think you're talking to? The Nokia 3310 was released when I was 10.

              [–]Barvazon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Thing is, trp men already know that (I hope) It's the blue pill betas that give unlimited validation and attention.

              Look for creepy text theatre on Youtube. Cringe is assured

              [–]blackedoutfast 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              you're right about not throwing pointless validation at women via social media but all the stuff about not looking at women is dead wrong.

              obvs you don't want to look at a girl in a thirsty or desperate creeper way, but there's nothing at all wrong with looking around a room, spotting an attractive girl, and then making and holding eye contact before approaching.

              [–]SocietalEngineering 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Grabbing attention is high value. Only high value males can control attention.

              [–]bi_winner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The last paragraph "Always talk to attractive ..." is gold. Do you want to be noticed by the hot girl at the very first step? Act like she is your younger stupid sister.

              However, I do not get the social media strategy. I am not good at it, so I go from the way the OP describes. I stay away, thereby stay cool (I hope). However, there are some guys who manage their accounts well, and seem like social popular guys and thereby increase their SMP from where it is in reality. They basically do what girls do. They can take advantage of social media. I do not get it how?

              [–]2mbillion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Get a copy of strunk and white and learn the parts about being concise. Way too long.

              Second, while break your neck isn't helping anybody, interest signaling is important, so i can't say I fully agree with you.

              [–]RiouxDeJaneiro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is absolute gold my friend. I have had similar thoughts myself lately, couldn't articulate quite as well as you did here.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I'm not sure if this is off topic from your overall point but...

              Staring and eye contact builds sexual attraction when done right.

              [–]tbishop1966 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Talk about eye opening! Excellent post!

              [–]throwaway_pua182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              If I see a hot girl on the street, I am going to check her out and not be ashamed about it at all. Maybe I will approach, maybe not.

              [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              funny thing, all the foreign girls i interact with, even the ones that have been in the states for a long time, always call and answer phone calls. in fact, a lot of times they prefer it to texting. never happens with american broads.

              [–]Circumflexdrome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I saw by a astronomic chance this subreddit and thought, "interesting", something connected to the matrix philosophy, this made me genuinely drawn to explore the deep caverns of this sub. And after about five minutes of thoroughly skimming through a sea of weed fed bullshit I thought to myself. Why take time to write so fucking serious and over analyzing self absorbed comments and threads? Life ain't so fucking complicated, wake up, go to work, fuck a girl or jack off, eat and then be satisfied. It's that simple, eventually you die and then on your death bed you think to yourself, as if I was a believer in this sub, why the fuck did I smoke all that pot and take life so seriously ? As instead just living it and not worrying so unbelievably much?

              [–]Disciplinedgenius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Think about that last point. A girl uploads the same photo to 5 different apps. Then each guy she's 'friends' with likes or upvotes it on every app + maybe another comment. It's like a girl is living 5 lives of praise simultaneously, a parallel universe of validation for years.

              Mind blown. Someone make an interstellaresque movie about this.

              [–]Kingoffistycuffs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              What's a question that you've wanted to have asked of you DR. Warlock?

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              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              THose thirsty fucks in the comment section are the worst. I thought about making a throwaway just to talk shit to balance out that place but i know its a losing battle so i moved on.

              Notice a lot of those women are not attractive because they are not getting what others get in IG or FB. So they resort to being naked for validation. Really sick that guys got here.

              [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              The only reason to subscribe to a subreddit is to comment. Why are you one of those porn-commenters? Going out of your way to downvote all the posts too? Don't you have better shit to do?

              [–]2IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              If a woman makes your head swivel, you at least owe her a catcall.

              [–]desi_swagger -1 points0 points  (6 children)

              I generally put like on their photos on facebook because I receive a like back from them whenever I upload mine. Its like a barter system is set up. I have noticed that whenever I stop liking theirs, they stop mine as well.

              But that is all the validation they get from. No comments on how 'pretty' or 'hot' they are.

              [–]Pipsquik 3 points4 points  (4 children)

              So you like their photos hoping they will like yours. I'm not trying to be a dick here but what's the point of it? I don't use social media but it comes off as you posting pictures in hopes of getting likes back for self security.

              [–]desi_swagger 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Yes thats true. I am doing it for self security. Honestly speaking, uploading a photo and not getting enough likes feels like shit. Perhaps I should too stop using it or use it sparingly.

              [–]Pipsquik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Just think about it, maybe try it out. I'm not here to tell you what to do. But I was in the same-ish boat and just decided fuck social media.

              [–]pm_me_the_best_tits 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              average guys getting hundreds of likes on their pics is a pretty big deal

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I get what your saying. Just don't like the obvious attention grabbing posts and stick to genuine posts, achievements and family...

              [–]freshaf69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              "Unless a girl posts a photo of you or talks about you, NEVER EVER compliment/like any photo or status of hers. Don't even read her Snapchat stories that show shows who read them. Give her absolutely nothing. Merely existing is not praiseworthy. Being good looking is not an accomplishment. Never PM a woman unless you've approached or spoken in person and she expects your friend request."

              I've banged numerous girls by replying to their insta stories to open a conversation or their snap chats. Ive sent and received snap chats which have lead to bangs. It happens all the time.

              This is BAD advice.

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